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Toofast wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Personally speaking i prefer flip tops because i can dip and control how much paint i take on the brush. Droppers i always find i end wasting an amount every time.

That's true but you also waste a bunch from drying out in the lid. You also waste an entire pot if you take a break from the hobby for a few years because they dry out completely. I've had to rebuy all my paints twice because of that. After the second time, I moved all my citadel paints to droppers except for shades and technical paints. There's some I haven't touched for 3-4 years and they're still in perfect shape, that wouldn't be the case with pots.

I got the Citadel Ultimate paint set when they did the last one back in November 2016 and the paints are still fine. Only ones that have gone bad are Ceramite White and the Necron Compound dry paint. And they both went years ago, they're just bad paints. I mean, there might be others I've yet to discover, and some of the more commonly used base paints I've gone through the whole pot and replaced, but I've yet to open a layer paint after not using for a couple of years and discover it's dried out.

I'm not denying it happens, maybe it's the storage conditions, heat or humidity. But it's certainly not a universal thing.

RazorEdge wrote:
Talked with a friend.

He had the following idea;
What if those dropper bottles will look like Bolter rounds?

I remember reading one of the older generations of paint pots where based on a bolter round and one of the master sets had a water pot shaped like a bolter casing.

Looking at the original rumor and the rumor for the HH release date I think it’s referring to a paint set with figures like what 40K and AoS have.

There was a rumor that came up in the store recently for something new for the paint range coming in the Fall. It doesn’t sound big enough to be new bottles just an addition to the range. My thought was a change to the air paints possibly a real airbrush. One suggestion for a missing line that other companies have was pigments. I thought the pigment line got discontinued faster the the hand flamer shaped paint sprayer. Another missing type of paint that was suggested and is popular now are color shifting ones.

Colour shifting would be neat, but would seem incredibly specialized to use.

Citadel pots over the ages (entertainingly, possibly from a photo by Nevelon that was the first nice reference I found on the intarwab)



The "bolt Shell" is the brazen Brass one in this example. These were the absolute worst. Really rigid and shattery plastic, with a very tight tolerance screw thread. you either had them loose enough so the paint dried really quickly, or you tightened them once, and couldn't open them again. thankfully, it was back to flip-top quite rapidly after that one, even if the later flip-lids are not the most effective at stopping the paint from drying.

The two original Citadel pots are by far the best, just as long as you cleaned out the rim of the tops every now and again.

I've still got paints from those days that are in pretty much perfect condition.

And I’m still using the two pots on the left. RT Green is almost empty at this point, but still alive.

The brass is dry/dead, and I don’t use that flesh anymore. I drink the blue faster than it dries, so that’s probably 3 pots of the same paint ago.

I remeber someone reviews an old (unopen!) starter paint set for Space Marines from 1993 and all paints were still in good condition.

I really hope this isn't true. I hate dropper bottles.

I know a guy that bought enter cases of the bright pink color in that style pot the Glistening Green is in(he was an Outrider at the time and cleared out what he could when GW switched) and is still using it today as his main Emperor's Children color.

Went out to start buying some paints just in case. I don't mind the dropper bottles, I just don't want a full range refresh.

FLGS owner said he got an email about limits on how much paint he can order, not sure if that's a sign of anything happening in the background.

I'm largely indifferent on droppers vs pop tops, the problem is just GW pop tops, I'm happy enough with P3 ones or the old GW ones from 25 years ago.

I do know people who hate droppers though, they specifically buy GW paints because they're NOT in droppers. These people usually paint straight from the pot and if they thin they just thin on the brush rather than a palette. So dropper bottles would change their workflow.

deano2099 wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Personally speaking i prefer flip tops because i can dip and control how much paint i take on the brush. Droppers i always find i end wasting an amount every time.

That's true but you also waste a bunch from drying out in the lid. You also waste an entire pot if you take a break from the hobby for a few years because they dry out completely. I've had to rebuy all my paints twice because of that. After the second time, I moved all my citadel paints to droppers except for shades and technical paints. There's some I haven't touched for 3-4 years and they're still in perfect shape, that wouldn't be the case with pots.

I got the Citadel Ultimate paint set when they did the last one back in November 2016 and the paints are still fine. Only ones that have gone bad are Ceramite White and the Necron Compound dry paint. And they both went years ago, they're just bad paints. I mean, there might be others I've yet to discover, and some of the more commonly used base paints I've gone through the whole pot and replaced, but I've yet to open a layer paint after not using for a couple of years and discover it's dried out.

I'm not denying it happens, maybe it's the storage conditions, heat or humidity. But it's certainly not a universal thing.

Have you opened them all at some point? I've only noticed it being a problem after they're initially opened.

Granted, the current GW pots aren't as bad as the previous lines, I haven't had many of them completely dry out, but I have had several go thick and chunky at which point it's hard to bring them back to being as good as when they were first opened. Also some metallics which haven't fully dried but are pretty bad to use and I would replace them if I used them more frequently. Also a couple of paints where paint has gotten in the rim and I can't get it out fully (older GW pots it was pretty easy to clean the rim).

Pots vs dropper bottles is just personal preference, one isn’t better than the other. I tend to prefer pots but droppers for airbrush paints would be great.

It’s just like people saying a certain brand is better or worse then GW paints. It’s bull, some paints are better from some brands some are worse. I am yet to find a better red than Mephiston red, but metallics, there a bunch of other people doing amazing ones. Nothing is black and white, expect black and white!

 Nevelon wrote:
And I’m still using the two pots on the left. RT Green is almost empty at this point, but still alive.

Hear, hear! Still using Amethyst Purple.

M.

Good thing you can still buy those original paints.

My droppers keep clogging (and paper clips don't always work so I'm using my pin vise and the rare explosion doesn't help, either. Digging out the wet palette isn't impossible, but I'm lazy. Really lazy. Oh, and I hate painting.

Pots (the ones on the right, though) are betterish, because they don't clog. You can tell when the dried paint is building up, so you get the back of the hobby knife and scrape it out. Excellent way to procrastinate on the actual painting.

Instead of a wet palette (or even hobby paints), I'll almost always use caps of colored primers and craft paints. I'll also use kid's craft paint pots. The hobby paint doesn't have to match the colors.

However, I usually paint only to tabletop or advanced tabletop (no blending gradients of different colors), mostly on cheap Bones and boardgame plastic, and am more interested in getting through my boxes of shame than posting photos, pushing my skill set, or whatnot. IMO, You cannot see intricate details when you're actually playing with the miniatures and you're certainly not noticing the paint jobs when you concentrate on play.

That said, droppers for GW paints are overdue, since the paints are supposed to be for higher level painting. Keep the contrast and maybe washes in the pots?

I prefer pots. More control over paint. That said I'm not sure where the point about palettes comes in. I use one for both pots and bottles, neither rewards or penalises the use of a palette but it has been mentioned as a point of difference by several people now.

 Overread wrote:

 Lord_Valorion wrote:
Dropper bottles will be the last nail in the coffin for me. Then I quit this <redacted> of a Hobby.

What's so horrific about dropper bottles?

Because I paint directory from the Pot. I don't dilute. And no, my models look good. Bottles and palettes Arena paint waste for me and need more preparation time. I Almosen don't have time for the Hobby because of work and the damn Kids, I paint in the night sonstiges for 15 mins. If I have to handle palettes and stuff, I just stop painting All along. And since I online play fully painted...End of Hobby.

I have hundreds of different paints majority is Vallejos and GW's.

GW dry inside the pots so anyone worried about waste of a few drops on a dropper will have 100% of the paint dried out on pots.

Either way I have to replace GWs several times while my Vallejos still as good as new.

For that alone and not talking about prices or other pros and cons I prefer dropper.

JWBS wrote:
I prefer pots. More control over paint. That said I'm not sure where the point about palettes comes in. I use one for both pots and bottles, neither rewards or penalises the use of a palette but it has been mentioned as a point of difference by several people now.

Not using a palette is an option when using pots.

It is not an option when using droppers.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a good option, but it's an option that some people like.

which I don't understand because nearly all dropper bottles have a cap you can screw off for the same "direct out of the bottle" painting as with regular pots

with some droppers this is actual easier than with some regular pots because of how they open

with pots I prefer to have a cap I can remove entirely to paint directly
if I cannot do this, the dropper is the next best thing

I mean I used a specific brand for a very long time simply because of their pots, but using Vallejo Droppers the same way is still possible

 kodos wrote:
which I don't understand because nearly all dropper bottles have a cap you can screw off for the same "direct out of the bottle" painting as with regular pots

with some droppers this is actual easier than with some regular pots because of how they open

with pots I prefer to have a cap I can remove entirely to paint directly
if I cannot do this, the dropper is the next best thing

I mean I used a specific brand for a very long time simply because of their pots, but using Vallejo Droppers the same way is still possible

Do you actually paint like this with droppers? Because the droppers I've used (Vallejo, AP and Reaper come to mind) it's technically possible to remove the cap, but practically speaking it's almost always jammed on and extremely difficult to get off. Like I have a few droppers on my desk right now and I can't get any of them off with my bare fingers. I'm sure with some pliers they'd come off. And then you need to put the cap somewhere, the ones I've seen would rest on their side so you're likely going to end up getting paint on the area because the cap will be full of paint from shaking it up prior to taking off the cap.

The only time I've bothered removing caps from droppers is either when they're empty and I plan to put paint into them, or when they're so caked in paint that they keep clogging up repeatedly, and yeah on those occasions I had to use pliers to get them off and it was a messy experience.

But yeah, GW paints can be a bit annoying when they don't stay open. They seem really variable, some stay open fine, others don't. The really old pots I'd find eventually the little tag would snap off (or you could just cut it I guess) then you could lay the cap next to the pot instead of it remaining attached.

depends on the colour, with washes/inks when I need a lot (like bases) I remove the cap (and for artist brands tubes/droppers which come in larger bottles as it is easier to get the needed amount)

AP ones are easier to get off and it is usually only the first time were it is difficult

for normal paint were I usually mix/match anyway I have a palette anyway

for some mixed colours I use the linked glass bottles (20 years old and they are still handy to fill from droppers to make your own mix in larger amount) normally for metals

PS: of course if GW is doing it I assume they use droppers with a fixed cap so you cannot re-use them
but in general you are still able to paint the same way as with pots

 NAVARRO wrote:
I have hundreds of different paints majority is Vallejos and GW's.

GW dry inside the pots so anyone worried about waste of a few drops on a dropper will have 100% of the paint dried out on pots.

Either way I have to replace GWs several times while my Vallejos still as good as new.

For that alone and not talking about prices or other pros and cons I prefer dropper.

I have had paint spoil in dropper bottles and not had huge issues with drying up from pots, clogging up from droppers is a bigger issue than drying out. It’s very annoying when you only want a small brush full of paint and your dropper bottle shirts out a huge blob onto your pallet.

That said, I don’t want Vallejo to switch to pots or gw to switch to droppers. I can live with either way round but it’s not a deal breaker, I will still buy the best paint for the job I am doing, who ever makes it and what ever pot it comes in.

> GW dry inside the pots

Oops -- should have mentioned that, since I paint only to advance tabletop, most of my painting is six or so paint colors: brown, black, white, metal, gold, and two shades of green. Much easier to monitor the pots when you frequently use them (I just have a GW starter set I restored from half-dried). They're easy to scrape, and you can add medium to them to help restore them. I use colored primers, craft paints, kid's craft paints, and droppers as well.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm largely indifferent on droppers vs pop tops, the problem is just GW pop tops, I'm happy enough with P3 ones or the old GW ones from 25 years ago.

I do know people who hate droppers though, they specifically buy GW paints because they're NOT in droppers. These people usually paint straight from the pot and if they thin they just thin on the brush rather than a palette. So dropper bottles would change their workflow.

deano2099 wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Personally speaking i prefer flip tops because i can dip and control how much paint i take on the brush. Droppers i always find i end wasting an amount every time.

That's true but you also waste a bunch from drying out in the lid. You also waste an entire pot if you take a break from the hobby for a few years because they dry out completely. I've had to rebuy all my paints twice because of that. After the second time, I moved all my citadel paints to droppers except for shades and technical paints. There's some I haven't touched for 3-4 years and they're still in perfect shape, that wouldn't be the case with pots.

I got the Citadel Ultimate paint set when they did the last one back in November 2016 and the paints are still fine. Only ones that have gone bad are Ceramite White and the Necron Compound dry paint. And they both went years ago, they're just bad paints. I mean, there might be others I've yet to discover, and some of the more commonly used base paints I've gone through the whole pot and replaced, but I've yet to open a layer paint after not using for a couple of years and discover it's dried out.

I'm not denying it happens, maybe it's the storage conditions, heat or humidity. But it's certainly not a universal thing.

Have you opened them all at some point? I've only noticed it being a problem after they're initially opened.

Granted, the current GW pots aren't as bad as the previous lines, I haven't had many of them completely dry out, but I have had several go thick and chunky at which point it's hard to bring them back to being as good as when they were first opened. Also some metallics which haven't fully dried but are pretty bad to use and I would replace them if I used them more frequently. Also a couple of paints where paint has gotten in the rim and I can't get it out fully (older GW pots it was pretty easy to clean the rim).

There's bound to be some I've never used, but certainly some I used when I first got them that are still good now. The metallics have separated a *lot* but a minute on a vortex mixer with an agitator in sorts them out. Admittedly I wouldn't want to shake them back to life by hand. But then I wouldn't want to shake up Scale 75 paints from new by hand either.


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 kodos wrote:
which I don't understand because nearly all dropper bottles have a cap you can screw off for the same "direct out of the bottle" painting as with regular pots

with some droppers this is actual easier than with some regular pots because of how they open

with pots I prefer to have a cap I can remove entirely to paint directly
if I cannot do this, the dropper is the next best thing

I mean I used a specific brand for a very long time simply because of their pots, but using Vallejo Droppers the same way is still possible

Not really? The whole point with a Citadel pot is it's a very large opening that you can safely get the brush in without risking fraying it, and then you can still see inside to see what the paint level is so you can see how much paint you're putting on the brush. You can't do that with Vallejo droppers, once you get the brush in you can't see what's happening.

The reality is that what'd be best all around is paints you use for painting the main colour of the model, for which you need loads of paint anyway, in droppers. And paints you use just for very small sections or highlights in pots. But unless you're only painting a single colour scheme that's constantly going to change so it's not really a possibility.

deano2099 wrote:


The reality is that what'd be best all around is paints you use for painting the main colour of the model, for which you need loads of paint anyway, in droppers. And paints you use just for very small sections or highlights in pots. But unless you're only painting a single colour scheme that's constantly going to change so it's not really a possibility.

They could sell all the paints in pots and also droppers.

Having parallel logistics lines would make everything even more expensive!

Not for liquids contrasts paints types but I would welcome fine art tubes that usually acrylic paints come in.

deano2099 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm largely indifferent on droppers vs pop tops, the problem is just GW pop tops, I'm happy enough with P3 ones or the old GW ones from 25 years ago.

I do know people who hate droppers though, they specifically buy GW paints because they're NOT in droppers. These people usually paint straight from the pot and if they thin they just thin on the brush rather than a palette. So dropper bottles would change their workflow.

deano2099 wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Personally speaking i prefer flip tops because i can dip and control how much paint i take on the brush. Droppers i always find i end wasting an amount every time.

That's true but you also waste a bunch from drying out in the lid. You also waste an entire pot if you take a break from the hobby for a few years because they dry out completely. I've had to rebuy all my paints twice because of that. After the second time, I moved all my citadel paints to droppers except for shades and technical paints. There's some I haven't touched for 3-4 years and they're still in perfect shape, that wouldn't be the case with pots.

I got the Citadel Ultimate paint set when they did the last one back in November 2016 and the paints are still fine. Only ones that have gone bad are Ceramite White and the Necron Compound dry paint. And they both went years ago, they're just bad paints. I mean, there might be others I've yet to discover, and some of the more commonly used base paints I've gone through the whole pot and replaced, but I've yet to open a layer paint after not using for a couple of years and discover it's dried out.

I'm not denying it happens, maybe it's the storage conditions, heat or humidity. But it's certainly not a universal thing.

Have you opened them all at some point? I've only noticed it being a problem after they're initially opened.

Granted, the current GW pots aren't as bad as the previous lines, I haven't had many of them completely dry out, but I have had several go thick and chunky at which point it's hard to bring them back to being as good as when they were first opened. Also some metallics which haven't fully dried but are pretty bad to use and I would replace them if I used them more frequently. Also a couple of paints where paint has gotten in the rim and I can't get it out fully (older GW pots it was pretty easy to clean the rim).

There's bound to be some I've never used, but certainly some I used when I first got them that are still good now. The metallics have separated a *lot* but a minute on a vortex mixer with an agitator in sorts them out. Admittedly I wouldn't want to shake them back to life by hand. But then I wouldn't want to shake up Scale 75 paints from new by hand either.


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 kodos wrote:
which I don't understand because nearly all dropper bottles have a cap you can screw off for the same "direct out of the bottle" painting as with regular pots

with some droppers this is actual easier than with some regular pots because of how they open

with pots I prefer to have a cap I can remove entirely to paint directly
if I cannot do this, the dropper is the next best thing

I mean I used a specific brand for a very long time simply because of their pots, but using Vallejo Droppers the same way is still possible

Not really? The whole point with a Citadel pot is it's a very large opening that you can safely get the brush in without risking fraying it, and then you can still see inside to see what the paint level is so you can see how much paint you're putting on the brush. You can't do that with Vallejo droppers, once you get the brush in you can't see what's happening.

The reality is that what'd be best all around is paints you use for painting the main colour of the model, for which you need loads of paint anyway, in droppers. And paints you use just for very small sections or highlights in pots. But unless you're only painting a single colour scheme that's constantly going to change so it's not really a possibility.

I think you're missing the point of dropper bottles. They are not meant to put a brush inside to get paint. You squeeze a bit of paint onto a palette and then load your brush. You have just as much (if not more) control of how much paint gets on the brush as you do with GW's pots.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I have hundreds of different paints majority is Vallejos and GW's.

GW dry inside the pots so anyone worried about waste of a few drops on a dropper will have 100% of the paint dried out on pots.

Well not for me.