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 Kanluwen wrote:
From a Reddit exchange with OK_E(I'm just reposting, was not mine!):

Q:
any idea if any FW krieg units will be in the 9th ed guard codex? Will this supersede the Imperial Armour Compendium regiment traits?

None

So, no additional Krieg units in the Guard book...there might be something to the rumour of a supplement book for some of the big Guard Regiments?

None as in no kreig or none as in no idea?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
From a Reddit exchange with OK_E(I'm just reposting, was not mine!):

Q:
any idea if any FW krieg units will be in the 9th ed guard codex? Will this supersede the Imperial Armour Compendium regiment traits?

None

So, no additional Krieg units in the Guard book...there might be something to the rumour of a supplement book for some of the big Guard Regiments?

None as in no kreig or none as in no idea?

Just checked- he says there's a unit with the Krieg keyword in it in a follow up comment- so no additional units/models I guess.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
From a Reddit exchange with OK_E(I'm just reposting, was not mine!):

Q:
any idea if any FW krieg units will be in the 9th ed guard codex? Will this supersede the Imperial Armour Compendium regiment traits?

None

So, no additional Krieg units in the Guard book...there might be something to the rumour of a supplement book for some of the big Guard Regiments?

None as in no kreig or none as in no idea?

Given that the question was if FW Krieg units will be in the Guard Codex?

The "none" would be for that.

silverstu is correct in that there was another post:

There is a unit which has the krieg keyword in it

Awhile back they stated that the new Cadian Shock Troop kit(not the Kasrkin!) were getting a unit datasheet of their own...so who knows what's going to happen!

A bit more:

Rough riders yes, death riders no

And a lil' bit more, the Rough Riders apparently can build Atillan Rough Riders as well as Krieg looking RR.

And a lil' bit more, the Rough Riders apparently can build ... ... well as Krieg looking RR.

Where did OK_E say this?

This chain came after the "there is a unit with the Krieg keyword in it":

Death Riders FTW!

Dual build kit with rough riders? Or just no rough riders at all?

Ok_Entrepreneur3004
2 points
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1 day ago
Rough riders yes, death riders no

Then there was this, after that bit was settled:

Will there be attilan rough rider bits?

Ok_Entrepreneur3004
1 point
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4 hours ago
Yup

I know there's a lot of potential conjecture, but the line of discussion points towards:

-There are not Death Riders in the codex. There are Rough Riders. There are Attillan Rough Rider bits in there, and there's also Death Korps Rough Rider parts.

Reddit makes some of this stuff a lot harder to follow, so maybe I'm just reading into it something which is not really there...but it does kind of jibe with what we've seen. Cadian Shock Troops are supposed to always have the Cadian keyword. It would make sense for Death Korps of Krieg Siege Troopers(or whatever) to have the same thing happen.

Add in the rumors of Grenadiers/Engineers, no confirmation on the Kasrkin being said to have their own datasheet(just that whatever they are is "restricted to 3, tops"), the rumored "Death Riders"(which might just have been Rough Riders from the get-go!) and it looks like they're adding some potential localized variants of things.

Pretty sure that's the new "Rogal Dorn" tank in the lower right quadrant, along with a better look at the new Cadians from the back.

is that a multimelta sponson?

Twin multi melta. So there will be two twin multi melta.

Those backpacks are very similar to the Forgeworld ones, but the rest of the Cadians seem new.

 vim_the_good wrote:
Twin multi melta. So there will be two twin multi melta.

It looks more like a single multi-melta. I only count the two barrels.


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Honestly, I'm not convinced it isn't just a weird angle of a normal Leman Russ with multi-melta sponsons.

I think Vim is meaning that the other sponson has a second multi-melta...

That said, it would have to be an extremely weird angle for that to happen, since there's none of the 'slant' that it has otherwise.

The shape suggests a smaller version of a Gorgon Transport to me.

That does not look promising for those, like me, who want guard tanks with functional-looking running gear.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think Vim is meaning that the other sponson has a second multi-melta...

That said, it would have to be an extremely weird angle for that to happen, since there's none of the 'slant' that it has otherwise.

He said two twin multi-meltas, so that implied four total. Not sure what would imply the existence of that, though.

Ah, yeah, my brain was thinking the Russ' tracks are a parallelogram, and they're definitely not. So almost certainly not a Russ, then.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
That does not look promising for those, like me, who want guard tanks with functional-looking running gear.

Why would they start now

I know its only a corner of it, but does that vehicle look more rounded than usual? I hope they aren't changing the style of Guard vehicles. They did with the sentinel where it's much rounder and less angular.

Sponson still looks stylistically boxy.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Those backpacks are very similar to the Forgeworld ones, but the rest of the Cadians seem new.

When the previous potato-cam image of guardsmen came out, the rumor suggested there were not just Kasrkin, but also Veteran cadians. GW revealed the Kasrkin, Ursula Creed, and the Sentinel, but the new heavy weapons teams and Cadian Veterans were held back from reveal.

Those backpacks are very likely for the new Cadian Veterans team.

 Laughing Man wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think Vim is meaning that the other sponson has a second multi-melta...

That said, it would have to be an extremely weird angle for that to happen, since there's none of the 'slant' that it has otherwise.

He said two twin multi-meltas, so that implied four total. Not sure what would imply the existence of that, though.

Ah, yeah, my brain was thinking the Russ' tracks are a parallelogram, and they're definitely not. So almost certainly not a Russ, then.

Yeah, just me getting my terminology mixed up. Yes indeed, just a big standard multi melta

drbored wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Those backpacks are very similar to the Forgeworld ones, but the rest of the Cadians seem new.

When the previous potato-cam image of guardsmen came out, the rumor suggested there were not just Kasrkin, but also Veteran cadians. GW revealed the Kasrkin, Ursula Creed, and the Sentinel, but the new heavy weapons teams and Cadian Veterans were held back from reveal.

Those backpacks are very likely for the new Cadian Veterans team.

Whatever weapon they have also don't seem to be lasguns, or a different pattern of it. Someone made the guess elsewhere that those could be Shotgun vets.

 Kanluwen wrote:
This chain came after the "there is a unit with the Krieg keyword in it":

Death Riders FTW!

Dual build kit with rough riders? Or just no rough riders at all?

Ok_Entrepreneur3004
2 points
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1 day ago
Rough riders yes, death riders no

Then there was this, after that bit was settled:

Will there be attilan rough rider bits?

Ok_Entrepreneur3004
1 point
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4 hours ago
Yup

I know there's a lot of potential conjecture, but the line of discussion points towards:

-There are not Death Riders in the codex. There are Rough Riders. There are Attillan Rough Rider bits in there, and there's also Death Korps Rough Rider parts.

Reddit makes some of this stuff a lot harder to follow, so maybe I'm just reading into it something which is not really there...but it does kind of jibe with what we've seen. Cadian Shock Troops are supposed to always have the Cadian keyword. It would make sense for Death Korps of Krieg Siege Troopers(or whatever) to have the same thing happen.

Add in the rumors of Grenadiers/Engineers, no confirmation on the Kasrkin being said to have their own datasheet(just that whatever they are is "restricted to 3, tops"), the rumored "Death Riders"(which might just have been Rough Riders from the get-go!) and it looks like they're adding some potential localized variants of things.

Umm wut? Where is it even implied that there are Death Korps Rough Rider parts??

Someone assumed Death Riders were there and asked if it was a dual build kit with rough riders.

OK_E responded there were rough riders, but not death riders.

Then someone asked if there were ATTILAN rough rider bits.

OK_E said yes.

There is *nowhere* here in which anything points to there being Rough Rider parts in the kit - in fact OK_E quite deliberately says no there are not.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I know its only a corner of it, but does that vehicle look more rounded than usual? I hope they aren't changing the style of Guard vehicles. They did with the sentinel where it's much rounder and less angular.

Guard tanks have always been different. Due to its height the Leman Russ has far more rounded track section ends than the Chimera's (see below). From the picture it seems that the new tank will be lower than a Russ, more like a Chimera, but feature tracks that employ the rounded, bulkier look of the Russ to make it appear heavier than a Chimera.

That doesn't rule out a generally more rounded appearance, of course. Evidently GW's designers were of the opinion that it's a good look for the Sentinel, so we'll have to see if they followed the same design for the new tank.

Tank pictures spoilered for size:

I dont know why, but the feel I am getting from the pic is that it is inspired by the Churchill, with added sponsons.

For what it's worth I had the exact same thought.

Why? Basically a Leman Russ (and the first Land Raider) is a chibi take on the Mark V. As a WW2 tank the Churchill may be more advanced but it's still largely designed around trench warfare. GW's designers have modernized Marine tanks to resemble more modern era tanks. I think we can count ourselves lucky if they went with a backwards WW2 design instead as that will at least neatly fit into the current lineup. And at least the little bit we can see so far keeps that hope alive.

 Geifer wrote:
For what it's worth I had the exact same thought.

Why? Basically a Leman Russ (and the first Land Raider) is a chibi take on the Mark V. As a WW2 tank the Churchill may be more advanced but it's still largely designed around trench warfare. GW's designers have modernized Marine tanks to resemble more modern era tanks. I think we can count ourselves lucky if they went with a backwards WW2 design instead as that will at least neatly fit into the current lineup. And at least the little bit we can see so far keeps that hope alive.

I think you're giving GW designers way too much credit, they can barely even design a gun nowadays

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
[I think you're giving GW designers way too much credit, they can barely even design a gun nowadays

Still too much credit. Squat sculpts show that they flat-out can't design a gun, only objects which vaguely hint at gun-like forms.

Any word from our Reddit seer whether Traitor Guard are featured in the new Guard book?

Also, as far as Kasrkin not having their datasheet, it makes me wonder if the data sheet will be just a generic “Grenadiers” or “Storm Troopers” one.

Someone pointed out the other day the teaser from yesterday for the Sunday Kill Team reveal has the Imperial Navy symbol on it. Maybe the Kasrkin kit is just supposed to be a generic special forces kit that can be used to represent Kasrkin, Grenadiers, Naval Security etc. After all it would make a lot more sense for a Naval Security team to board a Space Hulk than a random unit of Kasrkin. Could just be the painting team painted them that way because the iconic look.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Any word from our Reddit seer whether Traitor Guard are featured in the new Guard book?

Also, as far as Kasrkin not having their datasheet, it makes me wonder if the data sheet will be just a generic “Grenadiers” or “Storm Troopers” one.

Someone pointed out the other day the teaser from yesterday for the Sunday Kill Team reveal has the Imperial Navy symbol on it. Maybe the Kasrkin kit is just supposed to be a generic special forces kit that can be used to represent Kasrkin, Grenadiers, Naval Security etc. After all it would make a lot more sense for a Naval Security team to board a Space Hulk than a random unit of Kasrkin. Could just be the painting team painted them that way because the iconic look.

I think you missed the part that they will forever be the lost and damned, that is as in: Released as part of different game systems, but never allowed to join the real thing. (Apart from a short lived forgeworld stunt)

Hey, they were the real deal back in 3rd/4th with the Eye of Terror book!

You are probably right though, it would be like GW to put out an awesome kit for Traitor Guard and not giving them 40k rules, despite Traitor Guard outnumbering Chaos Space Marines by many orders of magnitude.

I’m happy playing them in Kill Team, don’t get me wrong, it’s a much better game than 40k in my opinion. Just a shame they likely won’t be included, as it’s a nice kit and with the new cultist stuff could make some very fluffy Lost and the Damned armies.

I mean it makes sense for GW to just combine deathriders and roughriders into 1 datasheet..

I don’t expect the same unit in 2 variants to exist in the future. I’ll be presently surprised though if they include dkok head options.

I do hope the unit that has the dkok keyword is the engineers or some form of combined grenediers/engineer kit..

I just really like the idea of shotgun and gas grenade veteran type deepstriking unit… give them hotshot lasguns option as well and a special mole launcher type weapon and I’ll be happy.