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I wouldn’t call it a stopgap codex. It’s the standard, everything we produce for this faction codex. Can’t have rules for models we won’t produce for 6+ months in the future.

Bureau Gnome wrote:

Garrac wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
I genuinely hope they bring back that limited ed Catachan guy with the fist, he was epic

Not in the MG leaks. In fact, according to him, catachan can only pick the spetial weapons featured on the plastic kit. Yeah, exactly, only two flamethrowers

I'm sensing this all building towards the 9th edition IG codex being a stopgap measure mostly focussing on Cadians, with an earlish 10th edition codex expanding towards other regiments models and rulewise?

Probably. What I also get from the leaks is that in this codex GW is really trying to give the guard some melee rules, similarly to AdMech

This all sounds a bit confusing and limiting.
I think at this point, as long as the DKOK specific forge world units remain legal, (and some of the fw tanks) i'll be happy. Hope springs eternal for 10th.

This book is shaping up to be another 9th edition garbage fire

 ph34r wrote:
This book is shaping up to be another 9th edition garbage fire

"10th edition is next year, they'll fix it then!"

WaIt AnD sEe

 Lord Damocles wrote:
WaIt AnD sEe

On that, remember we’ve had misunderstood stuff already. Not a false rumour or a fib, just misunderstood. Will there be others? Not a clue, but we won’t know until the book is in hand.

The Shadowsword has been relegated to anything without a -1 to be hit and and invul, against those targets you'll be lucky to get 12dmg. Vanquisher is better against a traditional Shadowsword target. Also the Stormlord is on the verge of a joke unit. The main gun hasn't kept pace with the power creep of 9th and only 1 unit transported inside can shoot out the top. Really no reason to take it over the others, unless you're dead set on trasporting a bunch of ogryn.

It's ironic, since when it came out, the Stormlord curbstomped Forgeworld units with a similar role, mainly the Gorgon, due to the whole shooting from the top rule and actually having substantial firepower of its own rather than the Gorgon's more anemic offering.

Swastakowey wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

Swastakowey wrote:

I was under the impression you can have a Cadian shock troop squad in your custom regiment army, these choices aren't locked out by your doctrines?

They aren't, but those Cadian Shock Troops remain Cadian with all their normal Cadian traits and keywords, they don't become part of your custom regiment. So they (technically) can't represent specialists, just attached actual Cadians.

To me, thats just a unit template. No different to the veteran upgrades of the past in 5th. I guess im just not hooked on the name that much, why would anyone be that hooked on the name? How many eldar are running ulthwe right now in rules name only? Or running some named marines with their own colours and stuff. I prefer this new codexs way of doing it to the lame 9th ed way of doing it by miles.

Yeah, the template is attached veterans to a regiment that don't mesh particularly well with the chain of command, but are better at their job that regular recruits and given some leeway here. They might be Cadians, they might be Veterans from you regiment, but they're attached here on the orders of Major McGuffin who has connections that outrank your Colonel. Stay out of their way and let them do their job by following your orders.

You even have a veteran officer that can command them with the Castellan (who can command everyone), assuming there's even a regimental keyword for orders which I doubt.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
It's ironic, since when it came out, the Stormlord curbstomped Forgeworld units with a similar role, mainly the Gorgon, due to the whole shooting from the top rule and actually having substantial firepower of its own rather than the Gorgon's more anemic offering.

Well the Gorgon was already being outperformed by 4-5 Chimeras, when it came out in 4th. While it is a cool model and certainly fits the vibe of the Vraks campaign. I think only people that really enjoyed it aestically or that dissected the lines of 5 x 10 Korpsmen that it came with ever bought it. IIRC it was the cheapest way to get DKoK troopers back then, even if you'd have to live with them all standing at ease. So I think that might not be the best comparison.

Everyone braced for disappointment when expectations are usurped and today’s reveal isn’t in fact the new IG Tank?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Everyone braced for disappointment when expectations are usurped and today’s reveal isn’t in fact the new IG Tank?

Why would that be disappointing?!

The tank and Lord Solar are the last two known items. Anything else is a surprise like that Castellan.

Tease from last week’s was “something big”. And so we’re expecting the new tank

Today's big reveal:

A new dice set and order tokens.

You joke, but I'm hoping we are getting tokens.

It's daft that Tau and Mechanicus didn't get them but LoV and GSC did.

Boom. Indeed boom boom.



Big badaboom



And it is indeed called the Rogal Dorn.

Hate to say it but I can see that being part of my Praetorian Armoured Regiment.

But why are none of the crew waving a sword?

Nope. Do not like.

Zero grim dark. Far too WW2 looking. Exposed wheels... WTF? Does not fit in with other AM vehicles.

But, why tho?

I love it!

Hmm. Need to digest before I have an opinion.

Exposed wheels is someone fixing the longstanding suspension criticism Guard tanks get add the time. Well, fixing some more. Baneblades don't have skirts that reach all the way to the ground. Shame they didn't have the foresight to do it on the Taurox as well.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But, why tho?

Cadians got a remake, and Cadians are Space Muricans. So they need a Space Murican tank. And here it is.

It probably also answers the question why the Sentinel got redone to look like it does, now that Guard has a tank that draws a lot from the ugly junk piles the US used in the Forties and Fifties.

That is really bad. I wouldn't even say WW2, more of something 60's/70's ish? I think it's the weird bulgy rounded panels that are throwing me off.

Doesn't vibe with me at all. At least there are parts to cover the wheels with.

Yeah I can see that following me home.

Gotta LOL at the guy standing on the back to shoot the heavy stubber.

I don't know what to think. I mean, I love Guard tanks and all, but this feels like "let's make a smaller Baneblade with slightly less guns."

Like, I have a Baneblade already so I don't know if I need one of these.

EDIT: it needs more angles and less rounded parts.

I think it looks a lot more like a bigger Leman Russ than it does a smaller Baneblade.

Looks too much like knockoff 3D printed guard tanks.

I'm not into it. However, I think a macharius turret on top might actually look quite good. hmmm.

I never thought I'd dislike a Guard tank but this does not vibe with me at all.

I see how the turret is supposed to call back to the Baneblade, but the track profile doesn't match the design language of the other Guard vehicles- it's much closer to the WW1-era British tanks that partially inspired the Russ.

And it's got the tumorous weapon sprouting of Primaris vehicles, plus it appears to carry some unique new secondary weapons, so get ready for more weapon profile bloat.

Well, I wonder how the scale compares to a Macharius.

I like it, reminds me of the TOG2