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I just realized what the wavy sun head reminds me of. The FW Constantin Valdor model.

I thought the spiky halo helmet was a Stormcast Eternals thing?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Really makes me wish this dude was still in production. I picked one up before he disappeared but now I wish I had 2 more.

Maybe I should get that Griffon and some outsiders while I still can.

I miss that entire range of heroes. I even loved the High Elf ones, despite their silly proportions.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

But also the polishing server off of High Marshal Helbrecht’s retinue is a really nice touch.

His name is Biff.

"Higher daddy! Higher!"

If definitive proof that the internet is required is ever asked for.

Link that graphic.*







*GW execs and miniature designers may disagree.

General Hobbs wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

But also the polishing server off of High Marshal Helbrecht’s retinue is a really nice touch.

His name is Biff.

Was he just finishing up the second coat of wax?

It's interesting, usually discussion follows an inverted bell curve, models that are really good or really bad get discussion while the ones that are average are sort of ignored.

Like the new shock troops didn't get much discussion because honestly what's there to say. They're Cadians, they're improved, not much to add.

But the new Lord Solar, who is not a bad model, is getting a ton of discussion. I think it's because he's just average when he was supposed to be exceptional. GW has put out some truly wonderful over the top IG officers over time (my vote is for the Vostroyan officer with the eagle talon bionic leg) and of course the 3rd edition Lord Solar Macharus was just a case study in absurdity.

So this Lord Solar is isn't bad in the traditional sense, just an enormous let-down.

Other than the head (face looks squished in, I feel it should be more recessed into the skid lid) I don’t think it’s a bad model as such.

It just….doesn’t fit in with 40K, let alone the more down to Earth aesthetic of the Imperial Guard.

Perhaps a darker paint palette might soften my opinion. But for now? It still looks much too Age of Sigmar for 40K. Like someone’s tried a conversion and not quite hit the grimdark mark. And given 40K is all about carefully planned design language in its ranges, it’s pretty disappointing.

In fact…this reminds me of certain Transformers from the dim and distant when before they cartoon, there was just relatively random procurement of distribution rights for various Japanese Robot toys. Whilst the cars and jets all tied in quite nicely, regardless of relative size, the likes of Skyfire/Jetfire stood out as oddities, because they came from entirely different lines (Macross I think? I know there’s a fair risk I’ll get crucified here for getting it wrong!).

That’s what this guy feels like. As if someone is trying to ape 40K, and has bought the rights to a random model to stand in as a Supreme Commander.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Like someone’s tried a conversion and not quite hit the grimdark mark.

My theory is that this is exactly what happened: the designer just tried a lot of AoS assets in CAD that felt "Lord Solar-y" and when they assembled the model they just called it a day without any further thought. I doubt they had a concrete idea at any point of the design, just an asset library that basically made the model by itself.

I'm super hyped about lord solar, although, i'll be using a different model.
https://red-makers.com/product/death-squad-mounted-commissar-of-the-imperial-force/

I think its going to fit perfectly for krieg.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Like someone’s tried a conversion and not quite hit the grimdark mark.

My theory is that this is exactly what happened: the designer just tried a lot of AoS assets in CAD that felt "Lord Solar-y" and when they assembled the model they just called it a day without any further thought. I doubt they had a concrete idea at any point of the design, just an asset library that basically made the model by itself.

Not sure I agree with that. Still withholding overall until I’ve seen darker paint jobs once it’s out in the wild.

I'm going to weigh in as a No vote on Fancy Horse Man. While I understand the rationale for the model and paint job, being a supreme commander unfettered by the uniform requirements of a single regiment or even world, it's still a jarring look. As noted by others, the prior Lord Solar (a model that aged pretty fast, TBH) had at least the bolt pistol to tie him into 40k.

I think this is a model that broadly fails all three aspects of what makes me want a model: background, design, and execution. While a new lord solar is kind of cool, and it's neat to have a supreme commander, a completely new cavalry commander sucks when there are legacy characters with a lot of love. The design is oddly bland, pulling inspiration from Rogue Trader era cavalry but not otherwise really showing off it's 40k-ness. Finally, the actual execution of the model is pretty weak, with a static pose, lumpy face, and overly subtle bionics.

So basically, the idea is weak, the work is weak, and it's not what we wanted. Of course i'll buy one, because I think with a head swap and a paint scheme to match my Praetorians it'll look better, if not good.

The last IG model to get this treatment was the Taurox, and honestly, I've kind of warmed up to it. It was just such an oddly designed little bastard, with terrible details like exhaut pipes running into the cabin, terrible proportions, the dumb quad treads, and some odd motifs meant to match the Scions. It also, crucially, wasn't what we wanted! We wanted a jeep, a small, 5-6 person light transport that could scoot around command squads or SWSs. We did not want a delivery van on split treads.

 cole1114 wrote:
Honestly I didn't even want attendants, I wanted an imperial guard version of a living saint. When I think of Macharius, it's this image and it's what I wish this guy was like.

Considering Macharius eventually WAS Sainted, there's a reason that art was done to evoke that thought.

 Polonius wrote:
So basically, the idea is weak, the work is weak, and it's not what we wanted. Of course i'll buy one, because I think with a head swap and a paint scheme to match my Praetorians it'll look better, if not good.

...but, if you think the idea is weak and the work is weak, if it's not what you wanted and a head swap and a different paint scheme won't make it look good, just better... why are you "of course" buying one?

I can't understand this answer, it's not like there's a dearth of good alternatives, if you want them.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Other than the head (face looks squished in, I feel it should be more recessed into the skid lid) I don’t think it’s a bad model as such.

It just….doesn’t fit in with 40K, let alone the more down to Earth aesthetic of the Imperial Guard.

Perhaps a darker paint palette might soften my opinion. But for now? It still looks much too Age of Sigmar for 40K. Like someone’s tried a conversion and not quite hit the grimdark mark. And given 40K is all about carefully planned design language in its ranges, it’s pretty disappointing.

In fact…this reminds me of certain Transformers from the dim and distant when before they cartoon, there was just relatively random procurement of distribution rights for various Japanese Robot toys. Whilst the cars and jets all tied in quite nicely, regardless of relative size, the likes of Skyfire/Jetfire stood out as oddities, because they came from entirely different lines (Macross I think? I know there’s a fair risk I’ll get crucified here for getting it wrong!).

That’s what this guy feels like. As if someone is trying to ape 40K, and has bought the rights to a random model to stand in as a Supreme Commander.

Does the Lord Solar Macharius miniature feel more 40k/suitable to you than this guy? I've seen people say he's alright because he's similar to Macharius, but to me the differences and way he's been done do make him feel even more fantasy, especially the lack of immediately apart 40k stuff is more noticeable.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
So basically, the idea is weak, the work is weak, and it's not what we wanted. Of course i'll buy one, because I think with a head swap and a paint scheme to match my Praetorians it'll look better, if not good.

...but, if you think the idea is weak and the work is weak, if it's not what you wanted and a head swap and a different paint scheme won't make it look good, just better... why are you "of course" buying one?

I can't understand this answer, it's not like there's a dearth of good alternatives, if you want them.

I don't care much for proxies or third party stuff for complete models. No shade on those that do, but it's not my cup of tea, as even GW's weaker efforts are still solid. If a really good looking third party model comes out, I might buy one, especially if it'll look good with my army.

But I'm a complete whale when it comes to IG. I probably own one of every vehicle kit for IG made post-rogue trader, and I have models for every datasheet in the codex expect the superheavies. so, yeah, I'm going to buy it because it's a new IG model and I buy new IG models. And maybe like the Taurox I'll learn to love it, or I'll discover that with a head swap and a different paint job I like.


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Does the Lord Solar Macharius miniature feel more 40k/suitable to you than this guy? I've seen people say he's alright because he's similar to Macharius, but to me the differences and way he's been done do make him feel even more fantasy, especially the lack of immediately apart 40k stuff is more noticeable.

That old Macharius model is... not good. I've owned it twice, and never really gotten it painted in a way I like. It always ended up being the basis for a better Inquisitor than an IG character.



Part of it is simply the fact that it's silly to include a theater commander in a game of company level combat. Every other faction does the same thing, so I guess IG get sucked into it, but there's a reason they settled on Yarrik and Creed as the "faces" of IG: one is a legendary hero who leads from the front, the other while a master tactician is at least an organic part of the Cadian structure we see.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Other than the head (face looks squished in, I feel it should be more recessed into the skid lid) I don’t think it’s a bad model as such.

It just….doesn’t fit in with 40K, let alone the more down to Earth aesthetic of the Imperial Guard.

Perhaps a darker paint palette might soften my opinion. But for now? It still looks much too Age of Sigmar for 40K. Like someone’s tried a conversion and not quite hit the grimdark mark. And given 40K is all about carefully planned design language in its ranges, it’s pretty disappointing.

In fact…this reminds me of certain Transformers from the dim and distant when before they cartoon, there was just relatively random procurement of distribution rights for various Japanese Robot toys. Whilst the cars and jets all tied in quite nicely, regardless of relative size, the likes of Skyfire/Jetfire stood out as oddities, because they came from entirely different lines (Macross I think? I know there’s a fair risk I’ll get crucified here for getting it wrong!).

That’s what this guy feels like. As if someone is trying to ape 40K, and has bought the rights to a random model to stand in as a Supreme Commander.

Does the Lord Solar Macharius miniature feel more 40k/suitable to you than this guy? I've seen people say he's alright because he's similar to Macharius, but to me the differences and way he's been done do make him feel even more fantasy, especially the lack of immediately apart 40k stuff is more noticeable.

Never really been a fan of the Macharius model myself. But, I will say even if just because of the Bolt Pistol, it’s at least instantly recognisable as a 40K model.

 Polonius wrote:

Part of it is simply the fact that it's silly to include a theater commander in a game of company level combat.

I actually like the idea that planning is viewed as overrated and every commander thinks it is grit and overkill that wins battles so if they want to win they should join the battle personally to show the grit and do the overkill themselves. It has the kind of troll logic I miss from 40k.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

Part of it is simply the fact that it's silly to include a theater commander in a game of company level combat.

I actually like the idea that planning is viewed as overrated and every commander thinks it is grit and overkill that wins battles so if they want to win they should join the battle personally to show the grit and do the overkill themselves. It has the kind of troll logic I miss from 40k.

Well... to be fair... every other army operates that way. Sisters, Marines, Chaos, Orks, Necrons, Tau, Ynarri, and Admech all have models and rules for the people that are literally the heads of the faction, both politically and militarily. Really only Eldar and Nids avoid that, but even craftworld Eldar has an aspect of their war god that can drop on the table top, Dark Eldar and Nids/cults are really the only factions that avoid that goofiness, and even Dark Eldar used to have rules for Vect!

If you have a printer there is always this from brexit
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/sci-fi-napoleon-on-horse

https://files.cults3d.com/uploaders/13746775/illustration-file/bd43f221-7768-4f06-bcd0-40313216ef4c/untitled.722.jpg

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Aecus Decimus wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


What is the rumor about how giving orders has changed? Someone said models deepstriking in would no longer be able to have orders given to them???

The leak (not just a rumor) is that orders are given in the command phase, which means units arriving via deep strike would not yet be on the table to receive them.

There's also a workaround rumour where there is a way to give an order(s) in later phases for this exact situation

So far the workarounds I have seen are disembarking transports and ordering out of Chimeras. Have not seen any leaks for out of phase stratagems to allow ordering after deep strike arrival (and locking orders behind stratagems would not be a viable solution really).

I am just hoping for a different head option like an enclosed rebreather mask…

Kale wrote:
If you have a printer there is always this from brexit
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/sci-fi-napoleon-on-horse

https://files.cults3d.com/uploaders/13746775/illustration-file/bd43f221-7768-4f06-bcd0-40313216ef4c/untitled.722.jpg

I don't doubt i'll eventually see one I like.

One of the things that's very against type is that GW created a model that's so easy to proxy. I mean, it's literally a dude on a horse waving a sword. Call me paranoid, but I think some of the reasons we've been seeing GW play around with mechs and enormous sizes and other things is to make centerpiece models that are really tough to proxy.

Something just dawned on me...

There was a real missed opportunity to include Mogul Kamir bits in the Rough Rider box. It'd be no different than including Nork Deaddog parts in every Ogryn box.

Think of how many Rough Rider boxes they could sell if there was a special character available to make them count as "Troops" in a mounted army.

Looking better than the GW one.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Something just dawned on me...

There was a real missed opportunity to include Mogul Kamir bits in the Rough Rider box. It'd be no different than including Nork Deaddog parts in every Ogryn box.

Think of how many Rough Rider boxes they could sell if there was a special character available to make them count as "Troops" in a mounted army.

That's smart. I would want a lot more horse bling though, I guess GW needed the sprue space for more important stuff like a big rock

 Polonius wrote:

Kale wrote:
If you have a printer there is always this from brexit
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/sci-fi-napoleon-on-horse

https://files.cults3d.com/uploaders/13746775/illustration-file/bd43f221-7768-4f06-bcd0-40313216ef4c/untitled.722.jpg

I don't doubt i'll eventually see one I like.

One of the things that's very against type is that GW created a model that's so easy to proxy. I mean, it's literally a dude on a horse waving a sword. Call me paranoid, but I think some of the reasons we've been seeing GW play around with mechs and enormous sizes and other things is to make centerpiece models that are really tough to proxy.

A tough to substitute centerpiece model is fine. Afterall, I'll be saving plenty by finding alt models for most of the army that surrounds them....
And this guy-on-horse? He's in no way a centerpiece model for the Guard.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Like someone’s tried a conversion and not quite hit the grimdark mark.

My theory is that this is exactly what happened: the designer just tried a lot of AoS assets in CAD that felt "Lord Solar-y" and when they assembled the model they just called it a day without any further thought. I doubt they had a concrete idea at any point of the design, just an asset library that basically made the model by itself.

As someone else posted earlier “that’s not how it works”. It’s not miniature Dall-E.

I have no doubt that the Lord Solar's appearance is deliberate and a nod toward the Horus Heresy series. Being a top dude at the center of Imperial power, I believe the idea is that he would be positioned to have both reason and means to have a more refined appearance in accordance with what was fashionable before the Imperiums fall into darkness. Thus the de-grimdarkening on the model and why it looks so out of place for a 40k model. It isn't meant to look like it belongs in 40k.