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Maybe he could borrow the floating pulpit from the SoB and turn it into an tacops control center.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

It seems to be a nice comfy land raider sized vehicle which the guard definitely had room for rather than a superfluous new airplane or something.

Is it confirmed to be a new design in the lore yet or another one of those things that have always been around that nobody mentioned before?

I still want my 3 way Thunderbolt/Lightning/Avenger kit

As for the tank, the posters they put out call it a new tank, so maybe Cawl strikes again? He banged it out over a weekend while researching new ER names for Primarius.

It's curvy.

Looking at the comparison pics, I see what separates it from the Russ and Baneblade: It lacks the hard angles that the other two have.

Look at its sponsons, for example, they curve at the back, whereas the Russ/Baneblade just have sharp angles.

There's a level of smoothness to it that just isn't part of the other tanks.

My main concern is whether these will be available to traitor guard. Perfect pillaging tank I'm the royal down to deface and denounce the false emprah

Not sure if already mentioned, but the new Cadians come with gasmask heads / pieces as well.

Nice.

 BrookM wrote:
Not sure if already mentioned, but the new Cadians come with gasmask heads / pieces as well.

This makes me massively more interested in the new Cadians. Hopefully it has enough to equip the whole squad with them, and hopefully they match the Kasrkin respirators visually.

Unfortunately, the image from the Rogal Dorn article is too low res to pick out the details on the respirators.

 Haighus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Not sure if already mentioned, but the new Cadians come with gasmask heads / pieces as well.

This makes me massively more interested in the new Cadians. Hopefully it has enough to equip the whole squad with them, and hopefully they match the Kasrkin respirators visually.

Unfortunately, the image from the Rogal Dorn article is too low res to pick out the details on the respirators.

I really don't understand why they cannot preview the options properly.

Doubt they will, but it'd be nice if they had enough gas masks to be armageddon.

 cole1114 wrote:
Doubt they will, but it'd be nice if they had enough gas masks to be armageddon.

Gas masks alone don't make them into Steel Legion...

Slightly better picture, maybe?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
Doubt they will, but it'd be nice if they had enough gas masks to be armageddon.

Gas masks alone don't make them into Steel Legion...

Indeed.

Good for me though, I am building my Cadians to be from one of the regiments fighting on Armageddon alongside my Steel Legion, so respirators are a must.

Slightly better picture, maybe?

Thanks. They look reasonable at first glance, but jury is still out till I see more angles.

The new Cadian helmets seems less stupid than the current ones. More helmet-y and less Spaceballs.

I don't want any new Cadians, but I wonder if they'll work on current Cadians? I'm not above ripping off those heads to put new ones on.

 BrookM wrote:
Not sure if already mentioned, but the new Cadians come with gasmask heads / pieces as well.

OMG, I just realized they are almkst using a variation of the "vine-o-flague" I've came up with for my tanks!

Never seen it anywhere else, anyway.


Probably conicidence, but nice to see

It had a guide available digitally for purchase in 6th/7th.

I'm really hoping that the rough rider horses don't only come with the hoods and caparisons. I just want a standard horse.....

Hopefully I'll be able to convert them for a reasonable price, but gw does not have many suitable "standard" horses aside from the lotr range and the empire outriders. Chances are likely that i can use the rider, but this may be very expensive, or I'll have to go third party and pay 1/3rd of the price.

I don't dislike the Dorn at all. However to me this seems like an excellent excuse to replace the hull heavy stubbers on my Macharius. It is a far better looking tank. It also normally gets sub par rules. Given the Dorn is the new hotness I expect its rules will not be too bad. They both appear to be about the same size.

I am not sure if it was mentioned here, but the Shadowvault Karskin Sergeant can be given a Hellgun in Kill Team, and the assembly instructions also include an alternative build suggestion where he uses the full size weapon. Wonder if that will translate in the full size game.

 Sledgehammer wrote:
I'm really hoping that the rough rider horses don't only come with the hoods and caparisons. I just want a standard horse.....

Hopefully I'll be able to convert them for a reasonable price, but gw does not have many suitable "standard" horses aside from the lotr range and the empire outriders. Chances are likely that i can use the rider, but this may be very expensive, or I'll have to go third party and pay 1/3rd of the price.

Following the Halfling Sniper Kickstarter, Victoria Miniatures will be moving on to not-Rough Riders next.

Could be worth a wait.

Voss wrote:
Huh. Somehow not the statlines I was expecting. Anyone care to count how many of the 9th edition weapons mathematically won't notice the difference between T8 w/ 13 wounds and T9 with 17 wounds?

Anything at S10+ and an average damage of 6 treats those two tanks exactly the same (barring other special rules).
And of course, S5-7 is just a matter of pumping a few more shots in. Only 2 successes for damage 2 weapons.

S

So basically super at weapon's don't much care which target? Sounds about right.

 alphaecho wrote:

 Sledgehammer wrote:
I'm really hoping that the rough rider horses don't only come with the hoods and caparisons. I just want a standard horse.....

Hopefully I'll be able to convert them for a reasonable price, but gw does not have many suitable "standard" horses aside from the lotr range and the empire outriders. Chances are likely that i can use the rider, but this may be very expensive, or I'll have to go third party and pay 1/3rd of the price.

Following the Halfling Sniper Kickstarter, Victoria Miniatures will be moving on to not-Rough Riders next.

Could be worth a wait.

Oh, I already plan to use some of victoria's bits as is (the slouch hats), but if I want to ever go to an offical event or gw store with them, I'd be gak out of luck. With me potentially moving to dfw and being within spitting distance of the cafe, that would suck.

Voss wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

Voss wrote:
The entire design philosophy of the faction and the game is out to lunch.

To be entirely honest here I do feel like that design philosophy is undergoing a change, at least as far as the faction is concerned: we are getting a kind of "Primaris Guard" with this new Aspect Warrior unit setup but where Primaris Marines initially tried to touch into tacticool, the Primaris Guard is trying to bring back the RT-era weirdness with a super-heavy WW2 (/Western Allies) tone for the historical crowd. In that regard, the Lord Solar is kind of fitting.

Well, that would be fine, but he doesn't fit the new guard design either. That's the weirdest part. He looks about 100 years too early to match the WW2 style tank.
Like her or not, the Ursula Creed model does- she has matching design cues.

But this guy looks like he stepped out of the Guard regimental art from 1990, or fits in with these guys:
https://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/40k_IGRogueTraderWD110.jpg

Why are you obsessed with him not matching the Cadians style wise? He's NOT a Cadian. Just like he's not a Catachan, a Krieg, a Tallarn, Scion, etc. The old Solar on foot wasn't any of those things either.

It's just you that has mentioned Cadians there as far as I can see.

I must be one of the few people that doesn't mind the horse dude I'm not gonna buy him, but I don't hate him.

The Rogal Dorn actually is smaller than I was expecting. The turret guns are less comically proportioned which made it seem bigger than it is versus other IG tanks, and the rivets seem small.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's curvy.

Looking at the comparison pics, I see what separates it from the Russ and Baneblade: It lacks the hard angles that the other two have.

Look at its sponsons, for example, they curve at the back, whereas the Russ/Baneblade just have sharp angles.

There's a level of smoothness to it that just isn't part of the other tanks.

In some areas it gives me cast iron WW2 vibes, but it obviously also has some sharp seams and rivets (though some rivets are in illogical areas).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The new Cadian helmets seems less stupid than the current ones. More helmet-y and less Spaceballs.

I don't want any new Cadians, but I wonder if they'll work on current Cadians? I'm not above ripping off those heads to put new ones on.

Eh, I dunno... they feel quite small, more like caps or old style helmets without any padding, just flush on the head, than anything more current.

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The new Cadian helmets seems less stupid than the current ones. More helmet-y and less Spaceballs.

I don't want any new Cadians, but I wonder if they'll work on current Cadians? I'm not above ripping off those heads to put new ones on.

Eh, I dunno... they feel quite small, more like caps or old style helmets without any padding, just flush on the head, than anything more current.

I agree in relation to real life, but GW helmets have always been balaclava tight, there is no way a SM helmet would fit on any of the helmetless heads. So in that regard the new Cadians look more in line with the rest of the range.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The new Cadian helmets seems less stupid than the current ones. More helmet-y and less Spaceballs.

I don't want any new Cadians, but I wonder if they'll work on current Cadians? I'm not above ripping off those heads to put new ones on.

A common feature of Primaris kits in particular is a massive superfluity of extra heads, a trend I'm hoping will continue to the new Guard. I already know from experience that the old Cadians take headswaps passing well.

ccs wrote:

Voss wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

Voss wrote:
The entire design philosophy of the faction and the game is out to lunch.

To be entirely honest here I do feel like that design philosophy is undergoing a change, at least as far as the faction is concerned: we are getting a kind of "Primaris Guard" with this new Aspect Warrior unit setup but where Primaris Marines initially tried to touch into tacticool, the Primaris Guard is trying to bring back the RT-era weirdness with a super-heavy WW2 (/Western Allies) tone for the historical crowd. In that regard, the Lord Solar is kind of fitting.

Well, that would be fine, but he doesn't fit the new guard design either. That's the weirdest part. He looks about 100 years too early to match the WW2 style tank.
Like her or not, the Ursula Creed model does- she has matching design cues.

But this guy looks like he stepped out of the Guard regimental art from 1990, or fits in with these guys:
https://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/40k_IGRogueTraderWD110.jpg

Why are you obsessed with him not matching the Cadians style wise? He's NOT a Cadian. Just like he's not a Catachan, a Krieg, a Tallarn, Scion, etc. The old Solar on foot wasn't any of those things either.

I'm not particularly obsessed (3-4 posts in a discussion, I think so far? Madness ), and Cadians aren't the issue. The fact that he's not _anything_ and doesn't match the current range is a design flaw, however. The old Solar on foot did match the range at the time- a lot of the officers were in gold breastplates and over-wrought.

The thing about armies is they tend to be uniform. Strange and foreign concept, I know. If it a model doesn't fit, the whole thing looks bad. A Napoleonic cavalry officer cosplaying as a Sigmarite while standing a horse on a pile of trash is simply a baffling choice. It takes far more from the army than it adds.

Voss wrote:

ccs wrote:

Voss wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

Voss wrote:
The entire design philosophy of the faction and the game is out to lunch.

To be entirely honest here I do feel like that design philosophy is undergoing a change, at least as far as the faction is concerned: we are getting a kind of "Primaris Guard" with this new Aspect Warrior unit setup but where Primaris Marines initially tried to touch into tacticool, the Primaris Guard is trying to bring back the RT-era weirdness with a super-heavy WW2 (/Western Allies) tone for the historical crowd. In that regard, the Lord Solar is kind of fitting.

Well, that would be fine, but he doesn't fit the new guard design either. That's the weirdest part. He looks about 100 years too early to match the WW2 style tank.
Like her or not, the Ursula Creed model does- she has matching design cues.

But this guy looks like he stepped out of the Guard regimental art from 1990, or fits in with these guys:
https://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/40k_IGRogueTraderWD110.jpg

Why are you obsessed with him not matching the Cadians style wise? He's NOT a Cadian. Just like he's not a Catachan, a Krieg, a Tallarn, Scion, etc. The old Solar on foot wasn't any of those things either.

I'm not particularly obsessed (3-4 posts in a discussion, I think so far? Madness ), and Cadians aren't the issue. The fact that he's not _anything_ and doesn't match the current range is a design flaw, however. The old Solar on foot did match the range at the time- a lot of the officers were in gold breastplates and over-wrought.

The thing about armies is they tend to be uniform. Strange and foreign concept, I know. If it a model doesn't fit, the whole thing looks bad. A Napoleonic cavalry officer cosplaying as a Sigmarite while standing a horse on a pile of trash is simply a baffling choice. It takes far more from the army than it adds.

It isn't just his uniform, there are loads of odd design choices in the details. Like his sword- basically every official Guard model with a sword has been armed with a backsword or sabre. Twin-edged weapons are exceedingly rare (I can't think of one off the top of my head that was not a conversion), but they are common for Astartes and Sororitas models to carry. So it makes this character look more like an Ecclesiarchy model rather than a Guard one. Such a small change that makes a difference. I think the pistol is less important because archeotech space-flintlocks has been a thing for 40k characters for awhile, but it adds to the jarring non-Guard weaponry.

Voss wrote:
The thing about armies is they tend to be uniform.

I don't think that is supposed to be a thing in the Imperial Gu... I mean, Astra Militarium. It is not supposed to look uniform because it is not an actual army but an umbrella organization for a great patchwork of different armies that in turn might have their own uniform looks but there is no faction-wide uniformization other than some weapons and vehicles. In that regard, a Napoleonic general leading WW2 USMC troopers is fitting for the faction and lore because they are from different armies. I think there is even a fluff blurb about it in the codex.

 AtoMaki wrote:

Voss wrote:
The thing about armies is they tend to be uniform.

I don't think that is supposed to be a thing in the Imperial Gu... I mean, Astra Militarium. It is not supposed to look uniform because it is not an actual army but an umbrella organization for a great patchwork of different armies that in turn might have their own uniform looks but there is no faction-wide uniformization other than some weapons and vehicles. In that regard, a Napoleonic general leading WW2 USMC troopers is fitting for the faction and lore because they are from different armies. I think there is even a fluff blurb about it in the codex.

I... don't care? It still looks naff on the table, regardless of 'fluff blurbs.'
And the fluff of the Munitorium is that they don't care (to the point that cold-weather specialists and gear are sent to tropical planets and warzones) and over time a regiment would look uniform regardless of disparate origins.