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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I have mixed feelings about the newer "true" scale that GW are doing these days. Sure, the proportions are far more realistic, but painting heads is becoming very difficult. It's like GW forgot the reason that Heroic scale existed.

I noticed it very much on the Sisters refresh and now Cadians. I'm glad that I have plenty of alternative heads, put it that way.

I'm in the boat of thinking GW went way overboard with "heroic scale", the old Cadians looked too much like children.

They are certainly chunky, sure.

I'd prefer somwhere between the two. I've always been happy with my old Cadians with the Forge World head upgrades, the FW heads were way better/slimmer than the old Cadian plastics.

I'd like to pick up more but their price on ebay is something that I can't afford. Regardless, I think they'll go nicely with the new models, I plan to use some of the newer plastic upgrade heads on the new Cadians.

Hey, Stahly, could you tell us the diameter of the artillery wheels? I want more WWI look, and I'm contemplating ordering some third party trench wheels for these.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why must the Kasrkin be so large?

Yeah, is there some fluff saying Kasrkin are big? Are they specially bred or something?

Wasn't there something in one of the Eisenhorn books about it?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Yeah, is there some fluff saying Kasrkin are big? Are they specially bred or something?

Wasn't there something in one of the Eisenhorn books about it?

There's a lot of different bits and bobs over the years in novels about it. The basic gist per Shadowvaults is that they have top tier physical exercise regimens and are constantly engaged in training when not at war. They're the "best unaugmented soldiers" that humanity has at its disposal.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Yeah, is there some fluff saying Kasrkin are big? Are they specially bred or something?

Wasn't there something in one of the Eisenhorn books about it?

There's a lot of different bits and bobs over the years in novels about it. The basic gist per Shadowvaults is that they have top tier physical exercise regimens and are constantly engaged in training when not at war. They're the "best unaugmented soldiers" that humanity has at its disposal.

Doesn't really explain why they'd be taller though.

I've read fluff that some groups are specifically bred to better soldiers via eugenics, so even though they're not augmented like a Marine, it'd make sense that they'd be physically larger. Dunno the fluff for Kasrkin though.

Like I said, there was a lot of various old stuff that I don't know if is canon or not anymore.

In the past we had:
-Biological augmentations/enhancements ala the SPARTAN program from Halo(muscular implantations, genemods, etc)
-Marked out at young age and genemodded


The one I'd lean towards going with now though is simply "They're picked for it". Kasrkin aren't even all Cadians anymore!

Kinda dilutes the ''Kasr'' part of their name, RIP

 Bobthehero wrote:
Kinda dilutes the ''Kasr'' part of their name, RIP

Merging understrength regiments from different planets has been a thing in the fluff for a while.

I wonder what old Cadians with new Cadian heads would look like. Probably too comical to be of use. I like the Castellan with a helmet, as it incidentally looks a bit like a senior officer I converted myself a long time ago, with a spare Outrider head from the Empire Pistoliers box.

 AtoMaki wrote:
Those suspenders worn over the armor are too funny. I bet the model designer has never worn any kind of military-grade body gear.

Huh? How else do you think that's supposed to work?



I actually quite like the new webbing + armor design. It's a visual callback to the pewter Cadians and makes a lot more sense than an unsuspended belt rig with haphazard mix of LBE.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Kinda dilutes the ''Kasr'' part of their name, RIP

It does and it doesn't.

The Cadian regiments that are still around are recruiting Cadians and non-Cadians to form new Kasrkin units. There's only been one, per Shadowvaults, that consisted fully of non-Cadians.

All of the training is being overseen by the OG Kasrkin that are still left. They're not letting anyone slack.

 catbarf wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Those suspenders worn over the armor are too funny. I bet the model designer has never worn any kind of military-grade body gear.

Huh? How else do you think that's supposed to work?

That image show actual webbing worn over soft armor. Hard armor like plate carriers have integrated webbing, you don't quite see separate webbing over hard armor for a very good reason. And then webbing has its own characteristics that makes it into actual webbing rather than suspenders-for-soldiers. Like, I get what the model designer aimed for, but oh boy it is a hilarious miss.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They're the "best unaugmented soldiers" that humanity has at its disposal.

Tempestus Scions: "Am I a joke to you?"

Scions apparently are considered augmented.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They're the "best unaugmented soldiers" that humanity has at its disposal.

Tempestus Scions: "Am I a joke to you?"

Both are a joke to the SoB.

 AtoMaki wrote:
That image show actual webbing worn over soft armor. Hard armor like plate carriers have integrated webbing, you don't quite see separate webbing over hard armor for a very good reason. And then webbing has its own characteristics that makes it into actual webbing rather than suspenders-for-soldiers. Like, I get what the model designer aimed for, but oh boy it is a hilarious miss.

I've worn ceramics in a low-profile plate carrier with an ALICE rig over top, the ISAPI ceramic carrier was used in that manner in the mid to late 90s, and I saw guys issued suspender rigs over Interceptors in the early-00s (example). It's also still (very occasionally) done with more modern PC+battle belt setups when the belts are harnessed. I'm not sure where you get the idea that that's impossible; it certainly isn't popular anymore as belt+suspender setups went out of vogue in the 00s, but that's less to do with suspenders being incompatible with armor and more to do with chest rigs being more ideal for getting into and out of vehicles, as well as PCs being able to do double duty with carrying plates and serving as LBE.

But the models don't strike me as trying to look like state-of-the-art ultra-sci-fi dudes. They remind me a lot of 1980s-era USGI body armor and webbing, specifically the PASGT+ALICE combo, plus the obligatory goofy shoulderpads. Suspenders over hard armor doesn't violate my suspension of disbelief like the old models having no LBE to speak of did. YMMV.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said, there was a lot of various old stuff that I don't know if is canon or not anymore.

In the past we had:
-Biological augmentations/enhancements ala the SPARTAN program from Halo(muscular implantations, genemods, etc)
-Marked out at young age and genemodded


The one I'd lean towards going with now though is simply "They're picked for it". Kasrkin aren't even all Cadians anymore!

Just a better diet can lead to greater height during a person’s childhood and formative years.

Bobthehero is talking about the Kasrs (ie Qasrs), found on Cadia in the lore. Cadia is gone so the Kasrs are gone, so Kasrkin is anachronistic.

JWBS wrote:
Bobthehero is talking about the Kasrs (ie Qasrs), found on Cadia in the lore. Cadia is gone so the Kasrs are gone, so Kasrkin is anachronistic.

Kasrs aren't gone though? It's just the name of fortified Cadian cities and also some of the fortress worlds in the Cadian system.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 catbarf wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Those suspenders worn over the armor are too funny. I bet the model designer has never worn any kind of military-grade body gear.

Huh? How else do you think that's supposed to work?

That image show actual webbing worn over soft armor. Hard armor like plate carriers have integrated webbing, you don't quite see separate webbing over hard armor for a very good reason. And then webbing has its own characteristics that makes it into actual webbing rather than suspenders-for-soldiers. Like, I get what the model designer aimed for, but oh boy it is a hilarious miss.

The CAF sorta does it? We have Frag Vest that are soft, with pouches to put in ballistic plates. Then on top of it, we wear our webbing.

 catbarf wrote:
(example)

Yeah, that's what I meant with "you don't quite see". Early intermediate armor like the Interceptor can fit independent webbing, tho I bet the guy in the middle had sore shoulders for a week .

And on the Cadians it just looks so friggin' awkward... Tho I can't recognize any real life comparison, but I automatically see the body armor from the Starship Troopers movie.

To be fair, GW has never shown an interest in real-world military matters. None of their tank designs show more than a pop-culture understanding of how tanks work, most of their firearms lack even rudimentary sights, etc.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 catbarf wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Those suspenders worn over the armor are too funny. I bet the model designer has never worn any kind of military-grade body gear.

Huh? How else do you think that's supposed to work?

That image show actual webbing worn over soft armor. Hard armor like plate carriers have integrated webbing, you don't quite see separate webbing over hard armor for a very good reason. And then webbing has its own characteristics that makes it into actual webbing rather than suspenders-for-soldiers. Like, I get what the model designer aimed for, but oh boy it is a hilarious miss.

Depends on how the Flak Armour is made.

It’s kind of a catch all term, rather than a specific definition. I could well see it being made out of the same material as Mesh armour, just as separate plates rather than a whole torso or body suit.

That would leave it nice and flexible for movement, only stiffening up upon impact. Hence no issue having your webbing going over the top of it.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
(example)

Yeah, that's what I meant with "you don't quite see". Early intermediate armor like the Interceptor can fit independent webbing, tho I bet the guy in the middle had sore shoulders for a week .

And on the Cadians it just looks so friggin' awkward... Tho I can't recognize any real life comparison, but I automatically see the body armor from the Starship Troopers movie.

https://scontent-bos5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/35426487_2003367096349799_2308676124260958208_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=174925&_nc_ohc=zdtdL1K8aMAAX8PjgDL&_nc_ht=scontent-bos5-1.xx&oh=00_AfDgHgQkdNLHZcUVNtJMLO1O_rrRiXAFgVXm7M9pqhcPiw&oe=639799A5

Here, it's still used in some places of the world. You can see it better on the guy to the left, who's got a more modern vest than the rest everyone else.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I wonder what old Cadians with new Cadian heads would look like.

Yeah I was thinking about that, but seeing them now... well... no.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just a better diet can lead to greater height during a person’s childhood and formative years.

Or it's just another poorly scaled set of miniatures from a company with an increasingly... let's say "casual" approach to design.

Ugh 32mm bases and much bigger kasrkins? Gross. It does imply now that the force is recruiting on size and not merit.

Size comparision of Kasrkins with a bunch of Stormtroopers and equivalent models. You can see they're on bigger bases.

Yeah, not a big fan of that idea. So if I ever want kasrkin its 3d prints for me!

I like how we've now arrived at 'Kasrkin are so elite that they're just bigger than other Cadians who were already super elite, able to strip as lasgun before they can walk, defenders of the Gate, famed across the galaxy, etc.'

 OldMate wrote:
Ugh 32mm bases and much bigger kasrkins? Gross. It does imply now that the force is recruiting on size and not merit.

Size and merit are the same thing in GW land, look at Warcry, fighters on the same sprue are sized differently based on their rank.