Horus Heresy / 30K N&R

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**beast_gts**

**Snrub**

I like how they still use a Primaris silhouette instead of a heresy marine. Completely useless.

**drbored**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
MajorWesJanson wrote:
tauist wrote:
Aye, Land Speeders and Javelins to complement the Sky hunters. Problem with those two is that their sprues can't be used in other vehicle variants, and we know how stingy HH2 has been with sprue counts..

The Javelin can use the vehicle sponson sprue for some weapon options, and they could design the crew to be interchangeable between the Javelin and land speeder with a few tweaks. They are also smaller vehicles, so could possibly fit on a single tank sprue or a few dreadnought sprues

Just checking the unit entry, and the Javelin can swap out its cyclone missile launcher for Lascannon or Volkite.

Currently, you can only get a model with cyclone or Lascannon. So if the Volkite option is new? Pretty good bet it is coming to plastic.

Yep, a nice little thing that hints at a new plastic kit.

I thought about doing an analysis of the rest of the range based on rules, but at the end of the day I decided to scrap it.

Basically, look at the Despoiler rules for what you can take. When you see they can take all the same stuff that a Tactical squad can take, it makes sense that they'd get a simple arm-swap upgrade. (doesn't make sense it's in resin and only for 5 models, but hey, there it is.)

Compare that to things like Assault Marines and Breachers. There are further options and fewer cross-compatibility, so I'd imagine they will be getting full plastic, though I wouldn't be surprised to see SOME of the options get partitioned off into upgrade packs (breacher special weapons, assault marine combat shields that we've never had, etc)

**Matrindur**

beast_gts wrote:

Interesting how you get most of the Cerberus on this sprue too. I think only the laser itself and the plate on top of it are missing?

**Keel**

drbored wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
MajorWesJanson wrote:
tauist wrote:
Aye, Land Speeders and Javelins to complement the Sky hunters. Problem with those two is that their sprues can't be used in other vehicle variants, and we know how stingy HH2 has been with sprue counts..

The Javelin can use the vehicle sponson sprue for some weapon options, and they could design the crew to be interchangeable between the Javelin and land speeder with a few tweaks. They are also smaller vehicles, so could possibly fit on a single tank sprue or a few dreadnought sprues

Just checking the unit entry, and the Javelin can swap out its cyclone missile launcher for Lascannon or Volkite.

Currently, you can only get a model with cyclone or Lascannon. So if the Volkite option is new? Pretty good bet it is coming to plastic.

Yep, a nice little thing that hints at a new plastic kit.

I thought about doing an analysis of the rest of the range based on rules, but at the end of the day I decided to scrap it.

Basically, look at the Despoiler rules for what you can take. When you see they can take all the same stuff that a Tactical squad can take, it makes sense that they'd get a simple arm-swap upgrade. (doesn't make sense it's in resin and only for 5 models, but hey, there it is.)

Compare that to things like Assault Marines and Breachers. There are further options and fewer cross-compatibility, so I'd imagine they will be getting full plastic, though I wouldn't be surprised to see SOME of the options get partitioned off into upgrade packs (breacher special weapons, assault marine combat shields that we've never had, etc)

Assault Marine sergeants lost the option for a thunder hammer this edition, but the Breachers got to keep it which annoys me no end.

**Not Online!!!**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Dig the plastic Vindicator. But ok, time for some infantry now, gw. And maybe those Daemons of the Ruinstorm/Cults and Militia rules? Esoterist needs something to summon, doesn't he?

na fam. aether bolts is where' it's at

**Gadzilla666**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Dig the plastic Vindicator. But ok, time for some infantry now, gw. And maybe those Daemons of the Ruinstorm/Cults and Militia rules? Esoterist needs something to summon, doesn't he?

na fam. aether bolts is where' it's at

Well, the Esoterist is up for pre-order now, so, maybe soon?

**ListenToMeWarriors**

The choices that Forge World make in pricing things always confuses me. I was initially gladly surprised by Horus Ascended's price, but Exodus is £36...ouch.

**Fayric**

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
The choices that Forge World make in pricing things always confuses me. I was initially gladly surprised by Horus Ascended's price, but Exodus is £36...ouch.

Many people will want a Horus model, and if its, relatively, cheap more people will probably get one, even for just having the iconic Warmaster =profit.
Exodus they dont expect to sell that well, so they need to keep the prize up to make it worth it. Also, people who want/need Exodus will probably pay whatever they charge anyway.

**beast_gts**

First batch of Contemptor bodies are up for pre-order next weekend:

**Irbis**

Snrub wrote:
I like how they still use a Primaris silhouette instead of a heresy marine. Completely useless.

Seeing vast majority of "HH" vehicles is in fact bought by 40K players subsidizing plastics for half-dead, niche game (which is why we see so little infantry, too, way too small cross game sale appeal) I'd bet using primaris is in fact far more useful reference for 95% of the customers

**lord_blackfang**

Ah nice the Contemptor non-release? anti-release? subtraction? is only gonna eat up 3 weeks.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Might pick up the DA one.

**Strg Alt**

beast_gts wrote:
First batch of Contemptor bodies are up for pre-order next weekend:

Will these be sold by GW or by Forge World?

**beast_gts**

Strg Alt wrote:
Will these be sold by GW or by Forge World?

Forge World -

These are resin torsos designed to work with the new plastic Contemptor Dreadnought

**Platuan4th**

Forge World. They're literally just the torsos for the FW full sets.

**lord_blackfang**

They're not even releasing the torsos, they're unreleasing the shoulders and legs. Is this the first time ever that something going out of production is taking up a release slot?

**H.B.M.C.**

I hope the World Eater one has a cool face like the Dark Angel one.

Irbis wrote:
... half-dead, niche game...

That which is presented without evidence...

**GaroRobe**

Was it the DA contemptor or leviathan that had options for the chest icon? I think it was the contemptor and I wonder if he still has a sword option

**drbored**

Irbis wrote:
Snrub wrote:
I like how they still use a Primaris silhouette instead of a heresy marine. Completely useless.

Seeing vast majority of "HH" vehicles is in fact bought by 40K players subsidizing plastics for half-dead, niche game (which is why we see so little infantry, too, way too small cross game sale appeal) I'd bet using primaris is in fact far more useful reference for 95% of the customers

lol this take is so bad.

They're focusing on vehicles because that's what FW has a lot of and they're trying to clear out space in FW's production line for Old World.

It sucks for the consumer, but GW isn't some massive mega-corp that summons plastic sprues from the plastic sprue fairy and assigns them prices based on the ramblings of a mad oracle (as much as many dakkaites will disagree with that). They're just a UK company that's running out of warehouse space and is trying to satisfy an ever more ravenous and growing group of hobbyists.

That said, we really need plastic assault marines already.

**Racerguy180**

Yes, it does suck for those wanting to get into 30k but in a non-armoured intensive legion so I guess I need to spend significantly more than those that want to run TANKS, TANKS & MORE TANKS!!!

Or just wait for GW to recognize that not every legion benefits from armour the same way.

But it's ok, 3d printing co.es to the rescue...

**Snrub**

Eww I hadn't realised he'd replied to me. Ignore doing it's job.

I agree we need a proper assault kit though. The "upgrade" set is pretty poor. Would have been more palateable if it i'd been the same or similar to the MkII or MkIII weapon kits released previously, but as it stands a handful of chainswords and a power axe is the most low-effort stop gap possible.
It's almost like they should have just included them in the base kit like they did with the MkIII/IV armour.

**lord_blackfang**

Really feels like they crammed the Mk6 into a production slot not intended for fully featured infantry kits. Maybe a Necromunda gang expansion slot.

**tneva82**

Racerguy180 wrote:
Yes, it does suck for those wanting to get into 30k but in a non-armoured intensive legion so I guess I need to spend significantly more than those that want to run TANKS, TANKS & MORE TANKS!!!

Or just wait for GW to recognize that not every legion benefits from armour the same way.

But it's ok, 3d printing co.es to the rescue...

Well we know there's more plastic infatry coming so he's sprouting crap as usual.

If you classify his messages as "trash" 100% of tine then you have 0% misclassification rate

**Kanluwen**

Daemons of the Ruinstorm

But this is just the beginning. The Horus Heresy team has been extremely busy writing, playtesting, illustrating, and laying out the next wave of supplements. Alongside these projects, they’ve been working away on a few other army lists, which are very nearly ready to release as PDFs. The first of these is the much-anticipated Imperialis Militia army list. This army is a kit-basher’s dream, and we saved it until the release of the new Cadian Shock Troopers, the Veteran Guardsmen, and the Blooded to make it more achievable.

After that, we’ll be returning to all things Daemonic with a full army list for the Daemons of the Ruinstorm, representing a full warp breach of Neverborn spilling out of the churning Sea of Souls. There’s more work to do yet – it’s a tricky faction to balance, but we hope to have it ready at some point over the summer.
All the Esoterists, Daemoniacs, and other rum coves out there can download their The Burning of Ohmn-Mat PDF from this very website by clicking the button above. It contains rules for using such luminaries as Samus and Ka’Bandha, alongside Daemonic Regents, Attendants, and Brutes. As for the rest, we’ll have more for you – including a roadmap for the rest of the year – in the not-so-grim darkness of the very near future. Sign up to the newsletter to be the first to hear about new developments.

**MajorWesJanson**

But this is just the beginning. The Horus Heresy team has been extremely busy writing, playtesting, illustrating, and laying out the next wave of supplements. Alongside these projects, they’ve been working away on a few other army lists, which are very nearly ready to release as PDFs. The first of these is the much-anticipated Imperialis Militia army list. This army is a kit-basher’s dream, and we saved it until the release of the new Cadian Shock Troopers, the Veteran Guardsmen, and the Blooded to make it more achievable.

After that, we’ll be returning to all things Daemonic with a full army list for the Daemons of the Ruinstorm, representing a full warp breach of Neverborn spilling out of the churning Sea of Souls. There’s more work to do yet – it’s a tricky faction to balance, but we hope to have it ready at some point over the summer.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

The Blooded? Who are the Blooded?

**Old-Four-Arms**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The Blooded? Who are the Blooded?

The Traitor Guard Kill Team

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/kill-team-blooded-2022

EDIT : I'm just reading "no new miniatures" for Imperialis Militia tbh..

**MajorWesJanson**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The Blooded? Who are the Blooded?

The Chaos Imperial guard models.

**The Phazer**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The Blooded? Who are the Blooded?

It's the Kill Team traitor guardsmen box.