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 Olthannon wrote:
Not going to comment on this extremely daft rumour legitimacy conversation.

However, if the Mk II armour and the rogue trader style dread and termies (saturnine lol) rumour is right - is the idea that they're doing a focus on early days of the Heresy this addition?

Oh god, I wish. Hell, go a step further and do Great Crusade.

Given they're still pushing out daemon Primarchs, I doubt even if the box is Isstvan themed that it's going to mark a shift to early heresy. More likely they just zip around doing different supplements while studiously avoiding Terra

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Not going to comment on this extremely daft rumour legitimacy conversation.

However, if the Mk II armour and the rogue trader style dread and termies (saturnine lol) rumour is right - is the idea that they're doing a focus on early days of the Heresy this addition?

Oh god, I wish. Hell, go a step further and do Great Crusade.

Won't they need to change the name of the game?

I think the Great Crusade could make one hell of an expansion... unfortunately I doubt we'll ever see it as we would need rules for foul xenos to fight.

 Gert wrote:
If Valrak was a GW employee, it would have come out by now.

If this does end up being a new edition of HH, I will be massively disappointed. I've been holding off on any new HH projects and frankly, I don't have the time and effort to learn a new version anymore.

So, stick to 2.0. Personally, not buying MORE BOOKS for a new edition, myself. If gw refuses to do a balance pass for 2.0, I'll just use Panoptica rules. And yeah, I know that you have to convince others to do that.

Honestly? I don't think I will need to convince anyone in my group at this point. We're all at the point where we're lucky to get a game a month at this rate.
A new edition just isn't on the cards anymore.

 Gert wrote:
Honestly? I don't think I will need to convince anyone in my group at this point. We're all at the point where we're lucky to get a game a month at this rate.
A new edition just isn't on the cards anymore.

Cool. Happy travels, Gert.

And I hope that you start getting more games in.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 mattl wrote:
Do frames have (presumably) "Copyright Warhammer 2025" on them now? Is Games Workshop changing its name to Warhammer?!

Yup, they have been like that from at least the start of the year. First one I noticed it on, and the embossed Warhammer logo, was the new Krieg release.

Hmm... I wonder how they're going to do this. Change the company name, or just set up Warhammer Ltd?

 Gert wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Just some random guy who unknowingly got feed with material intented for him because rumours and leaks are better hype creators than official announcements

Or, like most Warhammer content creators (ugh hate that term), they have legit connections to people who work at GW by going to events, chatting to employees and being sort-of journalists (for toy soldiers exclusively that is). It's not some big conspiracy my dude, people who work at companies leak stuff all the time, intentionally or unintentionally.

I'm not going insane am I? Do people genuinely think that Valrak is one big psy-op by some shadowy cabal at GW? Please tell me people don't think that.

Well, GW has their ways of people caught who leak confidential information over time and we had reliable rumours in the past.
GW knows about him and there is a good chance they know where he gets his information from and that he still gets information would imply that GW is ok with it or his contact is allowed to give him certain information

This isn't a journalist interviewing factory workers to try to find out what shady things are going on
Yes he has contacts snd yes he can talk to people on cons or shops.
But the information you would get is what they are allowed to say

Big companies don't inform their personal about everything, and for GW even the different codex designers don't know what the others are working on.

There is no conspiracy here or big psy ops, simply that by now most of the leaks or rumours regarding GW products are intentionally spread by GW or released with their allowance

Do people still think Valrak having a secret source that got unnoticed by GW for years and every time Valrak makes a video about that the management curses him for being such a good journalist to uncover things that should have been hidden?

Bit hazy on what models Valrak suggested for the boxed set. Did he mention any vehicles?

SamusDrake wrote:
Bit hazy on what models Valrak suggested for the boxed set. Did he mention any vehicles?

As of his latest video, it's:
1x Saturnine Praetor
1x Mark II Centurion
1x Saturnine Dreadnought
1x Quad Accelerator Platform (Artillery)
6x Saturnine Terminators (2x3)
40x Mark II Tactical Marines
'Two sets of disintegrator weapons'

Along with tokens, objectives, rulebook, etc

Really hope that "Elite unit of 3" bullgak doesn't catch on with Heresy.

Looks like a slightly worse deal than the Age of Darkness set, right? That one got you a big tank, 10 terminators, a dreadnaught and a similar number of marines and heroes?

But perhaps the new starter will be cheaper.

Oh, I see.

I'd really like this to be a board game, but both a Dreadnought and a big cannon thingy sounds a bit heavy for that. Unless the platform is a Rapier?

 Da Boss wrote:
Looks like a slightly worse deal than the Age of Darkness set, right? That one got you a big tank, 10 terminators, a dreadnaught and a similar number of marines and heroes?

But perhaps the new starter will be cheaper.

I'd guess the same price, put marginally less stuff in rather than apply 3 years of price hikes to the starter product.

 Da Boss wrote:
Looks like a slightly worse deal than the Age of Darkness set, right? That one got you a big tank, 10 terminators, a dreadnaught and a similar number of marines and heroes?

But perhaps the new starter will be cheaper.

6 terminators instead of 10 (slight downgrade) and field gun instead of tank (big downgrade), but with inflation, and the fact that it's such a huge box (making those two downgrades less significant in context) I'd be very happy if this is the same price as the original set. I think that box was in the top 10 value all timers for GW, I bought 3 of them.

Remember, it's 4chan, but who knows?

One big splash release then three smaller permanent sets, just like last time : )

 Snrub wrote:
Really hope that "Elite unit of 3" bullgak doesn't catch on with Heresy.

Several elite infantry squads start with 3 models (command squads, Custodes, Myrmidons, Thallax), so it wouldn't be something new.

I’m still not believing anything right know.

For instance, the 4chan rumour. And in terms of the teases, Valrak seems to be seeing what he wants to be there, and not what’s actually there.

The shoulder pad? We don’t know what it actually is, but it’s now apparently absolute confirmation it’s Saturnine Terminators Confirmed.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m still not believing anything right know.

For instance, the 4chan rumour. And in terms of the teases, Valrak seems to be seeing what he wants to be there, and not what’s actually there.

The shoulder pad? We don’t know what it actually is, but it’s now apparently absolute confirmation it’s Saturnine Terminators Confirmed.

I think he's just on abit of a high given he's sort of been almost singularly pseudo-campaigned by GW.

What does that even mean? Are we back to "Valrak is secretly a GW plant"?

He's cornered a niche in the "content creation" market in that he seems to be the only "positive" click bait channel out there.

All power to him for not caving and jumping on the bandwagon of GW hate for clicks but it doesn't mean he's the companies chosen messenger.

 Gert wrote:
What does that even mean? Are we back to "Valrak is secretly a GW plant"?

He's cornered a niche in the "content creation" market in that he seems to be the only "positive" click bait channel out there.

All power to him for not caving and jumping on the bandwagon of GW hate for clicks but it doesn't mean he's the companies chosen messenger.

I'm more convinced he's an honest guy and people have genuinely reached out to him with inside info over the years. However I'm not entirely sure some of those contacts aren't allowed/told to give certain bits.

 Snrub wrote:
Really hope that "Elite unit of 3" bullgak doesn't catch on with Heresy.

Its been a thing in Heresy for a while. Thallax, Ursurax, Aquilom terminators, etc come to mind.


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RazorEdge wrote:
Remember, it's 4chan, but who knows?

This is basically the exact rumor that was out before 2.0

Now I remember, there was indeed a similary rumor for 2.0

with the smallest Set was just 2x Tactical Line Squads annnnnnnnnnd a Rulebook...

which was also featured on Valraks YT channel..

I think the "3 sets" bit was my favourite part.
The mental gymnastics people went through to say it was real and that each level would be a whole different set of rules that would build up to the main rulebook, thereby defeating the purpose of those starter sets in the first place.
And that GW would sell a starter set of 20 Tacticals and a rulebook for less than the planned box of 20 Tacticals.

RazorEdge wrote:
Now I remember, there was indeed a similary rumor for 2.0

with the smallest Set was just 2x Tactical Line Squads annnnnnnnnnd a Rulebook...

which was also featured on Valraks YT channel..

Just for record keeping have you got a link to said video? Might be an interesting contrast and compare.


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 Gert wrote:
I think the "3 sets" bit was my favourite part.
The mental gymnastics people went through to say it was real and that each level would be a whole different set of rules that would build up to the main rulebook, thereby defeating the purpose of those starter sets in the first place.
And that GW would sell a starter set of 20 Tacticals and a rulebook for less than the planned box of 20 Tacticals.

I do remember that. My personal wishlist for 3 is a lower barrier to entry with a smaller game size supported and an appropriate matching starter product.

Dryaktylus wrote:Several elite infantry squads start with 3 models (command squads, Custodes, Myrmidons, Thallax), so it wouldn't be something new.

chaos0xomega wrote:Its been a thing in Heresy for a while. Thallax, Ursurax, Aquilom terminators, etc come to mind.

I was more thinking of kits/units along the lines of the Flawless Blades, Eightbound, new Sanguinary Guard, Inner Circle Companions, etc. Kits that in would normally have been units of 5, now pared down to 3. And for what real reason?

That being said, point taken.

 Gert wrote:
What does that even mean? Are we back to "Valrak is secretly a GW plant"?

He's cornered a niche in the "content creation" market in that he seems to be the only "positive" click bait channel out there.

All power to him for not caving and jumping on the bandwagon of GW hate for clicks but it doesn't mean he's the companies chosen messenger.

GW making the effort to do a new site with regular updates dedicated to his rumors. That kind of response must be a pretty big moment in any rumor mongers life.

It seems pretty unlikely, but I would be pretty happy if GW did smaller starter sets for Heresy and also made smaller point games more viable.

I much prefer the Heresy Era to 40k (and the rules), but don't really have the time for painting 3k points of minis, regular access to a 6' x 4' table, much less organizing and playing games that take 4+ hours with set up.

If there was a way to play a skirmish game or 1k points and have a satisfying experience I would be pretty excited.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Have we had an actual clear definition as to what "Saturnine" means to GW, in terms of armor, terms, dreads, etc.?

Because to me, it means those awesome M&M Terminators!

Nope. It was just mentioned as a pattern, not how it looks like.

To top it off, the armor that everyone identifies as "Saturnine" has received an official artwork piece in which it's labeled as a prototype armor used by Salamanders, further reinforced by a description matching it in the short story Deeds Endure, including the shoulder pads and various heavy weapons.

We do have a mention of Saturnine armor in one of the old FW books in which it's stated to be functionally no different than Indominus and Tartaros, which very heavily suggests that the big armor with a heavy weapon on top is not Saturnine.