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Desolation Squad article.

The Castellan Launcher being the belt-fed bit makes the design a little bit more tolerable.

Do we know the price for the Strike Force yet?

 AduroT wrote:
Do we know the price for the Strike Force yet?

£120

Oh great... here come the Vengor Boys...

Dudeface wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Do we know the price for the Strike Force yet?

£120

Dangit, another price point that doesn't match up well.

It's less than the Battle of Osgiliath box, which is 125GBP.

I think the important factor about the pricing is that it's A. before the generic price increases and B. indicates that desolators are likely 5 to a box.

Vengor launcher. Do you think they typed into google and went that’s a good one for the Algorithm?
It fits the unit, confusion and weird.

Dudeface wrote:
I think the important factor about the pricing is that it's A. before the generic price increases and B. indicates that desolators are likely 5 to a box.

Guard Combat Patrol is at post-price increase spot. I don't think that point has any real relevance.

120GBP is a weird spot that I cannot think of having had a comparison before. There's a 125GBP spot which is $210USD product...which is shared with 130GBP as well.

 Flinty wrote:
Oh great... here come the Vengor Boys...

The stats look a bit….weedy? Points not withstanding, they just seem superfluous in a list already packed with Bolter level stats?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The stats look a bit….weedy? Points not withstanding, they just seem superfluous in a list already packed with Bolter level stats?

Yeah. Stats seemed very weak when first leaked. Assuming the points are as advertised (35~ a model) this unit seems dead on arrival.

 Flinty wrote:
Oh great... here come the Vengor Boys...

"Boom, boom, boom, boom
I want you in my room
Let's spend the night together
From now until forever
Boom, boom, boom, boom
I wanna go boom, boom
Let's spend the night together
Together in my room"

Seems to fit perfectly....

Edit: the original looks less silly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vengaboys

Tyel wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The stats look a bit….weedy? Points not withstanding, they just seem superfluous in a list already packed with Bolter level stats?

Yeah. Stats seemed very weak when first leaked. Assuming the points are as advertised (35~ a model) this unit seems dead on arrival.

Not evenly remotely familiar with the game, let alone Maureens, but their sole redeeming thing seems to be decent reliability.

When Blast comes into play, it’s the full 6 shots for the Super Frag, and 3 for the diddy launcher. I said diddy, not electric neck massager. The Super Krak at least gets 4-6 damage on an unsaved wound. But the diddy launcher there feels weedy.

I just get the (uninformed) impression I’d rather just take Bolters of some form.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Tyel wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The stats look a bit….weedy? Points not withstanding, they just seem superfluous in a list already packed with Bolter level stats?

Yeah. Stats seemed very weak when first leaked. Assuming the points are as advertised (35~ a model) this unit seems dead on arrival.

Not evenly remotely familiar with the game, let alone Maureens, but their sole redeeming thing seems to be decent reliability.

When Blast comes into play, it’s the full 6 shots for the Super Frag, and 3 for the diddy launcher. I said diddy, not electric neck massager. The Super Krak at least gets 4-6 damage on an unsaved wound. But the diddy launcher there feels weedy.

I just get the (uninformed) impression I’d rather just take Bolters of some form.

I mean I don't think dilly launcher is inappropriate here either.

Sarge’s Compensator Missile just seems….odd. Pointless in a Krak squad. Still out of place in a Frag squad.

A middle of the road “super” weapon for a middle of the road unit.

Dudeface wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Do we know the price for the Strike Force yet?

£120

US Dollars? I would just do a conversion but they get weird with their conversions.

As for unit power, can’t they shoot both their super missile of choice plus the mini rockets since they’re the same weapon type?

Tyel wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The stats look a bit….weedy? Points not withstanding, they just seem superfluous in a list already packed with Bolter level stats?

Yeah. Stats seemed very weak when first leaked. Assuming the points are as advertised (35~ a model) this unit seems dead on arrival.

Maybe they're future-proofed stats for tenth edition, and an indication of how weapon numbers may be decreasing?

Apple fox wrote:
Vengor launcher. Do you think they typed into google and went that’s a good one for the Algorithm?
It fits the unit, confusion and weird.

Why, what does it mean? They also have a vampire hybrid monster in AOS called a Vengorian lord

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tyel wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The stats look a bit….weedy? Points not withstanding, they just seem superfluous in a list already packed with Bolter level stats?

Yeah. Stats seemed very weak when first leaked. Assuming the points are as advertised (35~ a model) this unit seems dead on arrival.

Maybe they're future-proofed stats for tenth edition, and an indication of how weapon numbers may be decreasing?

Certainly an interesting thought. I guess time will tell.

 AduroT wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Do we know the price for the Strike Force yet?

£120

US Dollars? I would just do a conversion but they get weird with their conversions.

As for unit power, can’t they shoot both their super missile of choice plus the mini rockets since they’re the same weapon type?

There isn't another thing I can find with a 120GBP pricetag to do the price banding.
Closest is Osgiliath at 125GBP, which is $210USD...which is also 130GBP price banding.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Do we know the price for the Strike Force yet?

£120

US Dollars? I would just do a conversion but they get weird with their conversions.

As for unit power, can’t they shoot both their super missile of choice plus the mini rockets since they’re the same weapon type?

There isn't another thing I can find with a 120GBP pricetag to do the price banding.
Closest is Osgiliath at 125GBP, which is $210USD...which is also 130GBP price banding.

FWIW i nicked this off B&C, pretty sure for US you can get it off the trade site.

Chaos Boarding Patrol seems a nice price for starting a Black Legion force.

Wait. No. It’s a 5 man CSM squad.

It's 10. So, Kill Team Legionaries + Abaddon, which retail for £80, or this with an extra 20 cultists for £75. Cultists are overpriced and don't look good imo, but are free with this box. I planned on not buying it but idk, Abaddon has been on my I want it but it's too overpriced for me list for years now.

Yeah, the box cover says 31 miniatures. 20 Cultists, 10 Marines, Abaddon. No other way for it to work out. The remaining 5 Marines are just hiding.

Good news added to the other boxed sets available there’s no duplication or other obviously undesirable units.

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, the box cover says 31 miniatures. 20 Cultists, 10 Marines, Abaddon. No other way for it to work out. The remaining 5 Marines are just hiding.

Spoiler:

Nice to see Alpha Legion on the box cover for once….

Tyel wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The stats look a bit….weedy? Points not withstanding, they just seem superfluous in a list already packed with Bolter level stats?

Yeah. Stats seemed very weak when first leaked. Assuming the points are as advertised (35~ a model) this unit seems dead on arrival.

Yea the only other rule call-out is the signum so likely they'll hit on 2s or something, but no indication of double shoot or some other benefit to make them appealing.

Dudeface wrote:
I think the important factor about the pricing is that it's A. before the generic price increases and B. indicates that desolators are likely 5 to a box.

I agree this is also likely as the studio models were painted up with two squad loadouts & two sergeants. That's a good indicator of what's going to be shown on the box for the separate kit release.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Not evenly remotely familiar with the game, let alone Maureens, but their sole redeeming thing seems to be decent reliability.

When Blast comes into play, it’s the full 6 shots for the Super Frag, and 3 for the diddy launcher. I said diddy, not electric neck massager. The Super Krak at least gets 4-6 damage on an unsaved wound. But the diddy launcher there feels weedy.

I just get the (uninformed) impression I’d rather just take Bolters of some form.

The frags won't get blast until they hit a 11+ squad, since the minimum they can roll is (1+3)

Ya know, I kinda decided I'm cool with the sarge's weapon. The asymmetrical design works for it as opposed to the weird symmetrical design for the grunts.

The more I look at the Desolation Marines, the more I like them. They remind me of the old Citadel Space Marines that Naismith designed. Large, unwieldly weapons that were explained away by suspensors and enhanced physiology.

I really liked the dreadnought from the start, so I suppose I will try to get one of these initial release box sets for my Sons of the Phoenix army.