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More lists of rumors, no potato cam pics to back any of it up.

Thing is, Ossiarch Bonereapers character is a safe bet. We know it's likely them and SBGL that will be getting their battletome over the next month or two.

The curious thing is mentioning 'the pool' in reference to lizardmen/seraphon. If they do reveal some sort of spawning pool terrain piece, spell, or otherwise, then that could give more credence to these rumors.

drbored wrote:
More lists of rumors, no potato cam pics to back any of it up.

Thing is, Ossiarch Bonereapers character is a safe bet. We know it's likely them and SBGL that will be getting their battletome over the next month or two.

The curious thing is mentioning 'the pool' in reference to lizardmen/seraphon. If they do reveal some sort of spawning pool terrain piece, spell, or otherwise, then that could give more credence to these rumors.

Yeah, but a spawning pool as either terrain piece or endless spell or sth. like that is also a pretty safe bet, or it could be something that rumourmonger actually picked up from an unrelated source and is now using as a token of credibility. It's no proof either way, only weak-ish circumstancial evidence.

Anyway, with that claim about AoO 5 being about Sanguinor that rumour will be proven or disproven soon.

That's fair.

It's actually a weird thing to call out for Seraphon, as they already have a terrain piece.

There's also no other rumor out there that's called out seraphon getting any sort of terrain or spells (I know, I've been very keen on tracking all the seraphon rumors because I am very excite)

But whatever, we'll see soon enough.

Kinda wish we could see a sliver of a potato cam pic just to shut up a lot of these lists.

drbored wrote:
That's fair.

It's actually a weird thing to call out for Seraphon, as they already have a terrain piece.

There's also no other rumor out there that's called out seraphon getting any sort of terrain or spells (I know, I've been very keen on tracking all the seraphon rumors because I am very excite)

But whatever, we'll see soon enough.

Kinda wish we could see a sliver of a potato cam pic just to shut up a lot of these lists.

For now, i'm counting this specific rumour as fake mostly because it claims a new Warhammer 40k Logo and there's absolutely no sign of any of that in the trademark databases where such stuff usually turns up months or even years before you see it 'in the wild'. For example, keeping an eye on trademark listings is how the Magic: the Gathering community spots possible names for new card sets well in advance of any official promo material appearing.

Has someone the edited parts of the B&C post? A mod has cut the AoS bits from the original post. It would be interesting to see what the missing bits were to have some more flesh to nail him down.

 Vovin wrote:
Has someone the edited parts of the B&C post? A mod has cut the AoS bits from the original post. It would be interesting to see what the missing bits were to have some more flesh to nail him down.

Sadly i only have what is quoted in the OP behind the spoiler tag, it seems like it was already edited then.

Edit: also checked Google Cache, Archive.org and another archive, none have the un-edited version.

I imagine it's still over at B&C.

 Eldarsif wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
Something most games makers fail to manage these days is to get a working app out at all, let alone on release day.
We all know how the 40k app is doing, with the activate codes in the hardback books.
Other apps like X-Wing died off, and new expansions were not added to the app for weeks (or at all) after release.

If the apps is semi-required, due to regular updates, they need to make sure it is up to date ASAP.
Especially if it is not free.

I've never had a day 1 codex not register correct or not had any faqs immediately updated in the app. Are there any examples you can provide? I'm well aware the army builder is a steaming heap of turd mostly, but rules references have been OK.

Happened with LE early release codexes in the Army Box. Could not f.ex. activate the Ork codex until GW fixed stuff on their side. Even then I could not access the references until the Ork codex had been released outside the armybox in question.

That was not bug as such but feature. As everybody couldn't get hands gw tournaments out so gw app supported book their tournaments use.

They got unlocked when codex got publicly available.


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 Tyran wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:
Its a New edition starter army, think Necrons, Primaris etc... Besides its not 40 kits most are dual so half that if such.

Dudeface wrote:

Would you have said we weren't getting a redesign of the marine range as well 6-7 years ago?

Edit: I agree with you, it seems unlikely, but never say never.

tneva82 wrote:

It was already compared and rumoured kit count matched necrons...

So safe to say your presumption is flat wrong.

Necrons weren't a redesign. They were an update of some old kits and some new ones, but the new designs still followed established Necron themes.

Space Marines were closer to a redesign, but they are Space Marines and basically get 10 kits for every Xenos release.

A Necron style Tyranid release wouldn't be a redesign. It would be an expansion and update but would still follow established Tyranid themes.

Moreover the supposed leaked apparently never has seen either an insect or a Tyranid, because Tyranids and insects already are notably different. There is no insect that has leathery wings after all. Current Tyranids have reptilian and even mammalian characteristics in addition to their insect ones.

Your definition of redesign might not be same as leaker. Leaker could easily just mean lots of existing kits get new verslon. Same way as necrons got,

 kodos wrote:

Davor wrote:
I don't understand how there is play testers. I mean always a FAQ in two weeks. Either GW doesn't listen to the play testers or the play testers are that bad.

GW does not play-test their rules
GW let people test the concept and basic ideas to see if people like it or not

test players don't get the full rules and they don't get the final rules or in other words, players get an early Alpha version, can add their feedback and the next time the rules make contact with someone who plays the game is after release

at least this is what we "know"

Thank you for that. I just remembered how some people said they got some tourney people with credentials to play test the rules so I thought they did that through all of 9th.

It appears like their idea of playtesting is here try out these specific rules with these predetermined armies and don't deviate from that and let us know how it feels. Which is why so many things seem to slip through the cracks, because they're not letting the playtesters actually build their own lists to find out what broken combos are there

 Eldarsif wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
Something most games makers fail to manage these days is to get a working app out at all, let alone on release day.
We all know how the 40k app is doing, with the activate codes in the hardback books.
Other apps like X-Wing died off, and new expansions were not added to the app for weeks (or at all) after release.

If the apps is semi-required, due to regular updates, they need to make sure it is up to date ASAP.
Especially if it is not free.

I've never had a day 1 codex not register correct or not had any faqs immediately updated in the app. Are there any examples you can provide? I'm well aware the army builder is a steaming heap of turd mostly, but rules references have been OK.

Happened with LE early release codexes in the Army Box. Could not f.ex. activate the Ork codex until GW fixed stuff on their side. Even then I could not access the references until the Ork codex had been released outside the armybox in question.

Hence Dudeface's statement of "day 1". Pre-release books via army boxes aren't considered released or "Day 1" by GW.

New rumors are fake. The lion will come.

yeah I have to agree with the App sentiment, I bought the battletech app for my tablet and its crap, does not have any of the newer stuff, does not get updates, does not contain the legacy mechs that have been around for 30+ years

but the free one, Flechs sheets, is excellent.

Boosykes wrote:
New rumors are fake. The lion will come.

Meh. Enough traitor primarchs.

At least they should bring back someone who could bring something different to the Imperium, like Khan.

Wayniac wrote:
It appears like their idea of playtesting is here try out these specific rules with these predetermined armies and don't deviate from that and let us know how it feels. Which is why so many things seem to slip through the cracks, because they're not letting the playtesters actually build their own lists to find out what broken combos are there

They get points but those locked and gw doesn't ask nor listen comments on those.

Add to that incomplete rules...playtesters thought dark lances were dam d6 for examplE

tneva82 wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I've never had a day 1 codex not register correct or not had any faqs immediately updated in the app. Are there any examples you can provide? I'm well aware the army builder is a steaming heap of turd mostly, but rules references have been OK.

Happened with LE early release codexes in the Army Box. Could not f.ex. activate the Ork codex until GW fixed stuff on their side. Even then I could not access the references until the Ork codex had been released outside the armybox in question.

That was not bug as such but feature. As everybody couldn't get hands gw tournaments out so gw app supported book their tournaments use.

They got unlocked when codex got publicly available.

Then they should have run the new codex as a hidden unlock, expiring after the event. I hate that they delete all old app content when a new codex is released. If they add codexes and say which version they apply to, they can test ahead of time at events like this, and for play testers. But, that means listing versions in codexes, even saying what year they were released, neither of which they do.
That OT though, and just more GW-isms I wish they'd move on from.

tneva82 wrote:
Your definition of redesign might not be same as leaker. Leaker could easily just mean lots of existing kits get new verslon. Same way as necrons got,

I'd say it can be mixed.

So for example, its likely you'll get new termagants which are just replacement termagants. The kit is what, 20+ years old? They are going to look slightly different perhaps - but still recognisable as little guys with fleshborers etc. Bring back spike rifles and strangleweb guns for fun etc.

Then there may be oddities like "Primaris:Gargoyles" that clearly could be a replacement, but get a different weapon loadout and a different name so are something new.

I'd be surprised if they touched most of the stuff from 5th edition onwards. But that still gives you a reasonable pool of old models on top of new models.

The new gargoyle type creature in the rumour sounds like a smaller version of that one off flying beasty that came out with the last codex.

Edit: Parasite of Mortrex

Tyel wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Your definition of redesign might not be same as leaker. Leaker could easily just mean lots of existing kits get new verslon. Same way as necrons got,

I'd say it can be mixed.

So for example, its likely you'll get new termagants which are just replacement termagants. The kit is what, 20+ years old? They are going to look slightly different perhaps - but still recognisable as little guys with fleshborers etc. Bring back spike rifles and strangleweb guns for fun etc.

Then there may be oddities like "Primaris:Gargoyles" that clearly could be a replacement, but get a different weapon loadout and a different name so are something new.

I'd be surprised if they touched most of the stuff from 5th edition onwards. But that still gives you a reasonable pool of old models on top of new models.

Yup. That's what I would more or less expect if the nids are main focus as sounds. Some older kits get refreshed, some might get updated look along it, others distinctly similar but improved look and maybe alternative weapon like necron warriors got new weapon option. Then some new units.

Large refresh to the range.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
The new gargoyle type creature in the rumour sounds like a smaller version of that one off flying beasty that came out with the last codex.

Edit: Parasite of Mortrex

They may be part of a dual kit = shooty and cc gargoyles.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
The new gargoyle type creature in the rumour sounds like a smaller version of that one off flying beasty that came out with the last codex.

Edit: Parasite of Mortrex

They may be part of a dual kit = shooty and cc gargoyles.

In 3rd edition you could build your own critters with the mutation rules and gargoyles with scything talons where a thing- made as an example in the codex broods you could make so it wouldn't be a surprise of they did add options to gargoyles - although its a cracking little kit- the sculpts are great.

 silverstu wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
The new gargoyle type creature in the rumour sounds like a smaller version of that one off flying beasty that came out with the last codex.

Edit: Parasite of Mortrex

They may be part of a dual kit = shooty and cc gargoyles.

In 3rd edition you could build your own critters with the mutation rules and gargoyles with scything talons where a thing- made as an example in the codex broods you could make so it wouldn't be a surprise of they did add options to gargoyles - although its a cracking little kit- the sculpts are great.

Getting the gun arms lined up nice drove me crazy on the gargs. Loved the kit until I hit that point.

Aesthetically I think the nids are in a great place. A lot of the sprues are done with old tech and could be packed with a ton more bits. They need a brush up, not a reinvention. IMHO.

Personally, I hope that any redesign leaves them compatible with the existing models, but I'm not hopeful.

I guess I'd better get my act together and pick up that Tyranid army I've been promising myself for years tout de suite...

One thing we could see with a tyranid redesign is thinner models. Even Gaunts are really quite chunky thick in design - way way more so than a lot of other current GW models and more so than they are presented in lore/classic artwork or even the original models.

So that could be a neat change to see.

Personally I hope if there's a redesign its a polish/clean/improvement over the base of what we have now; rather then 2nd to 3rd edition or 3rd to 4th edition style of wholesale change of everything.

 Overread wrote:
One thing we could see with a tyranid redesign is thinner models. Even Gaunts are really quite chunky thick in design - way way more so than a lot of other current GW models and more so than they are presented in lore/classic artwork or even the original models.

So that could be a neat change to see.

Yeah the original plastic Dark Eldar warriors had a similar chunkiness contrary to the art. Those were from around the same time as the current tyranid guant kits.

CAD-designed plastic gave kabalites a really noticable change for those in 2010. After looking at the detail in recent kits like Parasite of Mortrex or Accursed Cultists, it'll be interesting to see what 20+ years of design improvements will do for the nids range.

It's really hard to tell which set of rumours is more believable. There's so many at this point it's just getting silly.

It's been rumoured for a while now that Blood Angels will be the main chapter for next edition, or at least the starter box, so Sanguinor as Arks of Omen 5 could make sense. And that guy has given something to add some slight credibility to his rumours if it happens, with that rumour engine thing being soon supposedly.

But the original set of rumours that mentioned the Lion has, so far, been sort of right. We've had 2.5 of the miniatures they mentioned - Azrael and Farsight are definite, and they were partially right about Vash'tor but their claim of him being a Daemon Prince implied that they didn't actually have that much knowledge of the models details beyond its apperance. And also, so far no indication of Primaris Dante from that set of rumours either.

I think bringing back the Lion would just be pretty absurd really. There's been no real hint of it with Arks of Omen so far in the Tarot Cards, despite book 3 involving the Dark Angels. It would be a massive change to the fundamentals of 40k yet again and it would mean they barely did much of substance with the new status quo before yet again changing the core aspects of the setting to something different. They're got nowhere near exhausting the potential of the current stuff to the point its time to change the settings foundations again.

I'd love a thinner, overall smaller Termigant kit. Soldiers the size of large dogs would have a lot of advantages.

I feel like it is worth everyone asking themselves; was getting Primarchs in 40k really a surprise? I remember thinking back in the 2000s that GW would inevitably bring them into the game. There is far too much incentive both real-world, on the table, and for writing for some team to not give into that temptation at some point. It was always going to happen and it is going to keep happening.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:


I think bringing back the Lion would just be pretty absurd really. There's been no real hint of it with Arks of Omen so far in the Tarot Cards, despite book 3 involving the Dark Angels. It would be a massive change to the fundamentals of 40k yet again and it would mean they barely did much of substance with the new status quo before yet again changing the core aspects of the setting to something different. They're got nowhere near exhausting the potential of the current stuff to the point its time to change the settings foundations again.

Point of bringing lion would be cash. Sales of models.

Fluff is decided on after model is completed.

They don't need to exhaust anything but boss impatience to press print money button,

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

I think bringing back the Lion would just be pretty absurd really. There's been no real hint of it with Arks of Omen so far in the Tarot Cards, despite book 3 involving the Dark Angels. It would be a massive change to the fundamentals of 40k yet again and it would mean they barely did much of substance with the new status quo before yet again changing the core aspects of the setting to something different. They're got nowhere near exhausting the potential of the current stuff to the point its time to change the settings foundations again.

Um, they were setting up the Lions return back in 2016 with the War Zone Fenris books. It was all there and then they acted like that part of the lore didn't exist and then suddenly it was all Primaris and Roboute leading the way. So your hints came almost seven years ago. He should have come back a long time ago.