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ccs wrote:

 tauist wrote:
So none of yall follow KT21 scene? Gallowfall contents have already been all but confirmed to be ~

With KT not being my favorite game, no I don't.

I find KT tolerable enough to play with a friend who does really like it. But beyond the base rules & the compendium I just sort of ignore it otherwise.

As for the pics?
I'm betting Space Hulk. Seems about time to recycle it.
And if the 10th starter is BA vs Tyranids, + the new KT/Boarding Action terrain? It'd be a perfect time to launch an all new, more expensive, version of SPace Hulk.

If you ever needed validation, spikey bits agree with you https://spikeybits.com/2023/03/gw-teases-new-space-hulk-not-10th.html

If it was Space Hulk then it would be a Genestealer, not a Warrior and Gaunt.

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
What if they are doing some sort of Space Hulk/Warhammer Quest hybrid? Basically it would be space hulk with an increased enemies roster and some light levelling up mechanics. Unlikely, but maybe the next warhammer quest is likely to be a 40K themed one (if they do another) and Space Hulk already has that dungeon crawler vibe going on. It is not a big leap to combine the two.

At what point does Space Hulk stop being Space Hulk, if it isn't actually on a Space Hulk? It'd just be Warhammer Quest: Tyranid Hive or something, which would be very cool admittedly, but it's kinda slapping logic in the face at this point.

We're probably overthinking it, it's just a joke from the Warhammer Community intern... people always take that stuff too serious and out of context, but if you're reading more than the first post in a thread it's clear they're just horsing around, the mention full zoat armies, fishmen and space fimir all the time, but somehow nobody falls for that

Oh I know, but I'm literally astounded at the number of people who keep saying space hulk despite every little grain of logic and evidence saying otherwise and missing the pun entirely.

Indeed. And not to forget there’s a whole 40K game mode set on a space hulk they’re using to shill plastic terrain right now. Can we also respect people a little and not call everyone who works in social media an intern? That too much to ask?

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
What if they are doing some sort of Space Hulk/Warhammer Quest hybrid? Basically it would be space hulk with an increased enemies roster and some light levelling up mechanics. Unlikely, but maybe the next warhammer quest is likely to be a 40K themed one (if they do another) and Space Hulk already has that dungeon crawler vibe going on. It is not a big leap to combine the two.

At what point does Space Hulk stop being Space Hulk, if it isn't actually on a Space Hulk? It'd just be Warhammer Quest: Tyranid Hive or something, which would be very cool admittedly, but it's kinda slapping logic in the face at this point.

We're probably overthinking it, it's just a joke from the Warhammer Community intern... people always take that stuff too serious and out of context, but if you're reading more than the first post in a thread it's clear they're just horsing around, the mention full zoat armies, fishmen and space fimir all the time, but somehow nobody falls for that

Oh I know, but I'm literally astounded at the number of people who keep saying space hulk despite every little grain of logic and evidence saying otherwise and missing the pun entirely.

Indeed. And not to forget there’s a whole 40K game mode set on a space hulk they’re using to shill plastic terrain right now. Can we also respect people a little and not call everyone who works in social media an intern? That too much to ask?

To that end I don't think I've ever seen any UK jobs with "intern" in the name, it's not something we tend to have in my experience.

 Tyran wrote:
If it was Space Hulk then it would be a Genestealer, not a Warrior and Gaunt.

We have a winner!

 Tyran wrote:
If it was Space Hulk then it would be a Genestealer, not a Warrior and Gaunt.

Would not put it past GW to re-launch Space Hulk as its own system and then "save" the classic Genestealers for an overpriced expansion.

I mean, it's not Space Hulk, I don't disagree - but I think if/when Space Hulk does come back, it's not going to be a one-off, it's going to have a whole bunch of different enemies versus various different marines doled out in overpriced sets over the course of a few years.

deano2099 wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
If it was Space Hulk then it would be a Genestealer, not a Warrior and Gaunt.

Would not put it past GW to re-launch Space Hulk as its own system and then "save" the classic Genestealers for an overpriced expansion.

I mean, it's not Space Hulk, I don't disagree - but I think if/when Space Hulk does come back, it's not going to be a one-off, it's going to have a whole bunch of different enemies versus various different marines doled out in overpriced sets over the course of a few years.

It would be a way to update various Terminator kits to a newer scale and proportions- Vanilla, Deathwing, Grey Knights

 Tyran wrote:
If it was Space Hulk then it would be a Genestealer, not a Warrior and Gaunt.

Tyranids as a whole have changed quite a bit in terms of lore since late Mr Halliwell designed the 1st edition of Space Hulk. I see no reason why an updated Space Hulk game couldn't incorporate gaunts and even Tyranid Warriors into the mix. Advanced Space Crusade already had tyranids and genestealers (+ orks, chaos as mind slaves), and you could play the game also with Space Hulk board tiles, so there is a precedent of sorts.

Anyways, my main point was, I do not believe this will be a new Kill Team box. Valrak & co have already said with high degree of probability Gallowfall is Votann (upgrade sprue team) vs Beastmen (new team), and there is nothing, on Reddit /r killteam at least, which would indicate otherwise. Valrak's track record of KT21 leaks has been pretty good so far, he even got Octarius right way back when nobody wanted/dared to believe we'd be getting plastic DKoK, he was also absolutely correct about Shadowvaults. I know he puts out a lot of videos and people make jokes about him, but when it comes to KT21 at least, he has a history of being on point.

why not a Space crusade refresh if its tyranid warriors ? Its been 33 years!

 tauist wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
If it was Space Hulk then it would be a Genestealer, not a Warrior and Gaunt.

Tyranids as a whole have changed quite a bit in terms of lore since late Mr Halliwell designed the 1st edition of Space Hulk. I see no reason why an updated Space Hulk game couldn't incorporate gaunts and even Tyranid Warriors into the mix. Advanced Space Crusade already had tyranids and genestealers (+ orks, chaos as mind slaves), and you could play the game also with Space Hulk board tiles, so there is a precedent of sorts.

While true, Genestealers are still the posterbugs for Space Hulk the same way Terminators are still the posterboys for it on the Imperial side of the equation.

I mean, technically speaking there is also no reason for a Space Game couldn't incorporate tactical marines and intercessors. And yet no one would assume Space Hulk from Tactical Marine vs Ork boy, even through it could and has happened lore wise.

Apparently the old Warhammer 40k website was taken down:

https://warhammer40000.com/

It now says 'New website coming march 23rd'

Well THAT smells like the sort of rebranding that doesn't come without an edition change

Iiits happening!

 Tyran wrote:

 tauist wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
If it was Space Hulk then it would be a Genestealer, not a Warrior and Gaunt.

Tyranids as a whole have changed quite a bit in terms of lore since late Mr Halliwell designed the 1st edition of Space Hulk. I see no reason why an updated Space Hulk game couldn't incorporate gaunts and even Tyranid Warriors into the mix. Advanced Space Crusade already had tyranids and genestealers (+ orks, chaos as mind slaves), and you could play the game also with Space Hulk board tiles, so there is a precedent of sorts.

While true, Genestealers are still the posterbugs for Space Hulk the same way Terminators are still the posterboys for it on the Imperial side of the equation.

I mean, technically speaking there is also no reason for a Space Game couldn't incorporate tactical marines and intercessors. And yet no one would assume Space Hulk from Tactical Marine vs Ork boy, even through it could and has happened lore wise.

I think there's only been two incarnations of tabletop Space Hulk though. They're a very different company from the one they were when the last version of SH was released (which iirc was around the time they had decided to trim their product line in a drastic fashion) let alone the original - I assume that a large majority or the customer base wasn't buying their stuff back then (or even born, for that matter). I really doubt there'd be many people too upset to see a twist on the formula, especially if it's expanded to include a classic variation on the game, which I would expect from any modern version given the scope of most modern GW stuff. They do sequels ala Marvel these days, look at what they're doing with everything else, Necromunda being a good example but pretty much everything else too (BB, BL, KT seasons etc etc).

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well THAT smells like the sort of rebranding that doesn't come without an edition change

Oke of rhe rumour sets claimed completely new branding iirc?

Dudeface wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well THAT smells like the sort of rebranding that doesn't come without an edition change

Oke of rhe rumour sets claimed completely new branding iirc?

Yeah, the Bolter&Chainsword rumour that arose shortly before the 50-page-doc did, they specifically claimed a new logo for Warhammer 40k and for some of the release boxes being called 'Path of something':

The main body is the same as the old one and has the same color, but the red line is a purple line now and the text is smaller. Underneath it now has less stylized feathered wings with an additional text: "something something Path", it wasn't "Blood Path", but something like this

Source: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377648-blood-angels-box-set/#comment-5912636

well, rebranding makes a new game rather than an update the most likely version

Eh it's about 40k. Site about 40k isn't about new game...

Another new logo? Didn't we get a new one with 9th?

Billicus wrote:
Another new logo? Didn't we get a new one with 9th?

Yes, but it's annoyingly just off-centre. Shift the text a little to the left - so the 'R' doesn't touch the border - and it'd be much better.

Billicus wrote:
Another new logo? Didn't we get a new one with 9th?

They liked how Hasbro does a new logo for every new Transformers line.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Another new logo? Didn't we get a new one with 9th?

Yes, but it's annoyingly just off-centre. Shift the text a little to the left - so the 'R' doesn't touch the border - and it'd be much better.

GW did use a centred version for some material early on. But then stopped and chose to use the wonky version. 40K in a nutshell!

Logos changing is good to track editions but foremost a good excuse to increase the prices when reboxing the current sets.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Logos changing is good to track editions but foremost a good excuse to increase the prices when reboxing the current sets.

I still think the logo rumours are suspect given this:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
By the way, no idea if it helps anybody, but i checked several EU and UK trademark registries, and there's no evidence of any sort of new Warhammer 40k Logo - usually that kind of stuff gets registered long in advance of actually using it, mostly because there are periods during which it can be challenged, and you want to be out of these... Such listings are, by necessity and out of principle, public, so no listing practically means no new logo.

They just did a 'big' logo redesign a few years back (2020 for 40k, 2019 for stores and the general 'winged hammer' logo to represent both systems).
Seems weird to do it again so soon.

Yeah, the last redesigned logo needs its next renewal in 2031 and is a protected design till then, and that's also the newest design from GW that can be found in the database. The only more recent database enty that contains the word 'Warhammer' is an unrelated trademark for an all-purpose laboratory disinfectant called 'WarHammer' that got registered in January

A new website doesn't necessitate a new logo.

 Asmodai wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Logos changing is good to track editions but foremost a good excuse to increase the prices when reboxing the current sets.

I still think the logo rumours are suspect given this:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
By the way, no idea if it helps anybody, but i checked several EU and UK trademark registries, and there's no evidence of any sort of new Warhammer 40k Logo - usually that kind of stuff gets registered long in advance of actually using it, mostly because there are periods during which it can be challenged, and you want to be out of these... Such listings are, by necessity and out of principle, public, so no listing practically means no new logo.

They just did a 'big' logo redesign a few years back (2020 for 40k, 2019 for stores and the general 'winged hammer' logo to represent both systems).
Seems weird to do it again so soon.

Yeah, the last redesigned logo needs its next renewal in 2031 and is a protected design till then, and that's also the newest design from GW that can be found in the database. The only more recent database enty that contains the word 'Warhammer' is an unrelated trademark for an all-purpose laboratory disinfectant called 'WarHammer' that got registered in January

A new website doesn't necessitate a new logo.

That whole pack of rumours will probably be hard-proven or hard-disproven in about 30 hours, since it also included 'The 5th AoO book is about the Sanguinor'. I personally think that rumour is the result of mixing the 50-page-document before we became aware of it with a handful of made-up stuff and extrapolations from descriptions in the larger doc.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Apparently the old Warhammer 40k website was taken down:

https://warhammer40000.com/

It now says 'New website coming march 23rd'

Ok, that's it then, no Space Hulk most definitely. In hindsight, this was the most probable outcome anyway

To be fair I'm ok with no Space Hulk considering GW has been working the boarding patrols into the main game which means everyone gets to play not just Terminators and Genestealers

The announcement for the project with Amazon Studios seemed to have a different logo too. Maybe a new edition will try and align with that branding?

 Overread wrote:
To be fair I'm ok with no Space Hulk considering GW has been working the boarding patrols into the main game which means everyone gets to play not just Terminators and Genestealers

I don't understand - why would you be ever be playing Space Hulk with stupid Genestealers when you could use the White Dwarf 122 rules for awesome Traitor Terminators?

Why yes, that issue did get me to buy my first GW miniatures ever.

I mean it could be both.

I mean if they've got a new 'Stealer and a new Termy kit, they could kill two birds with one stone and release a limited Space Hulk with the new minis and then release them alongside 10th later on.

Basically make the Hulk box the first place you can get them.