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 Haighus wrote:

Not true in 3rd- GW released frequent feedback and rules tweaks in White Dwarf, then compiled in the three Chapter Approved annuals. This interaction was maintained in other game systems like BFG too over this period (1998-2004). 3rd edition is my favourite for tone and lore and I don't think this is a coincidence.

During 3rd edition you could also still write to GW with any rules queries and they would send a letter back with answers and clarifications.

They were written by customer service guys rather than the studio, and were often wrong or contradictory, but it was a nice idea...

 insaniak wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

Not true in 3rd- GW released frequent feedback and rules tweaks in White Dwarf, then compiled in the three Chapter Approved annuals. This interaction was maintained in other game systems like BFG too over this period (1998-2004). 3rd edition is my favourite for tone and lore and I don't think this is a coincidence.

During 3rd edition you could also still write to GW with any rules queries and they would send a letter back with answers and clarifications.

They were written by customer service guys rather than the studio, and were often wrong or contradictory, but it was a nice idea...

It might have been a Germany-specific thing -at the time Germany had their own WD editiorial team and region-specific content, and the team also did a majority of translations for printed products- but many Codexes and Rulebooks came with pre-printed feedback postcards you could send in for free.

 insaniak wrote:
During 3rd edition you could also still write to GW with any rules queries and they would send a letter back with answers and clarifications.

"Ask a Roolzboy a question, and you will get three answers, each one different and wrong." - ancient Eldar saying.

Oh yeah, there were lots of issues still, but I think the effort was better than in later editions.

I particularly appreciated the attempts to explain reasoning for many decisions, something which has largely disappeared from GW FAQ and errata.

 Haighus wrote:
I particularly appreciated the attempts to explain reasoning for many decisions...

Their use of fluff to justify rules mechanics was endlessly frustrating.

"Being angry can't make a jump pack fly faster" was their idiotic reasoning (ie. not at all based in the rules) for why Daemonic Flight wasn't affected by Blood Rage. Never mind the fact that Daemonic Flight was an abstracted mutation that could represent wings as well as jump packs.

"It was a misprint!" was their justification for changing Oblits from T5 to T4(5). Utter rot.

On a different note, Lion tie-in novel announced:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/29/the-hunt-is-on-in-the-lion-son-of-the-forest/

Interesting! Definitely sounding like he’s been out and about for a while.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Interesting! Definitely sounding like he’s been out and about for a while.

Are you aware of the absolutely mental stuff in the new Cypher novel that, so far, is only out in the limited-edition version?

Tsagualsa wrote:
2-3 months of lead time in magazine printing meant that from the decision to make a call for feedback till the release of the reaction to it could easily take a year or more, which was about 1/3 of an editions lifetime...

Well more like 1/5. GW didn't have 3 year cycle then. 5 years 2nd ed, 6 for 3rd. Next 2 were 4 years. Then it became to 2-3 year cycle.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I particularly appreciated the attempts to explain reasoning for many decisions...

Their use of fluff to justify rules mechanics was endlessly frustrating.

"Being angry can't make a jump pack fly faster" was their idiotic reasoning (ie. not at all based in the rules) for why Daemonic Flight wasn't affected by Blood Rage. Never mind the fact that Daemonic Flight was an abstracted mutation that could represent wings as well as jump packs.

"It was a misprint!" was their justification for changing Oblits from T5 to T4(5). Utter rot.

Eh, some bad calls doesn't mean a lack of reasoning isn't generally worse than no reasoning. The bad call would have happened either way.

Edit: ooh, I have been promoted to a commission.

Tsagualsa wrote:
On a different note, Lion tie-in novel announced:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/29/the-hunt-is-on-in-the-lion-son-of-the-forest/

Slightly more info:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/123862839-the-lion?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=6HCVGpWASf&rank=1

 Lysit wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
On a different note, Lion tie-in novel announced:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/29/the-hunt-is-on-in-the-lion-son-of-the-forest/

Slightly more info:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/123862839-the-lion?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=6HCVGpWASf&rank=1

I wrote a bit more in the BL news thread, it's only tangentially relevant in here

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3300/747823.page#11511155

In the absence of any substantial 10th edition news, here's some speculation on the Screamer-Killer size, based on the flimsy assumption that they wanted their trailer to have a correct scale of everything:

Substantial new 10th rumours added to the OP:

Edit 03/29/2023 'It's on'!

New short video from Valrak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wruO7lmig
Mostly just talking about the disappointing Lion's Guard box, but he mentions that there apparently is a complete leak of the 10th edition book online somewhere, so be prepared!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/29/the-new-terminators-are-the-latest-in-a-long-lineage-of-armoured-excellence/

Seems the new Terminators do come as a squad of 5 after all.

Their head is above their shoulders!

One thing I have not seen posited about the new Terminators...the Storm Bolters...do we think the barrels come pre moulded with holes? They look shallower and wider than traditional hand drilled barrels to me.

Other chapters

and a bare head version

I wonder if this will be an ETB sprue version like the Assault Intercessors or Outriders.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I wonder if this will be an ETB sprue version like the Assault Intercessors or Outriders.

Yeah. The poses are repeated between the different colour schemes, and the shoulder pads aren’t as separated as a full kit would be - looks like the arms are one piece.

Call me a grognard, but man, those are the best SM models GW released since I can't even tell when. And I say that as someone who adores the basic Primaris marines.

Yeah same poses. Wonder if this is not going to be one of those monopose with weird awkward cuts.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah same poses. Wonder if this is not going to be one of those monopose with weird awkward cuts.

Arms look like they go on flat on both sides. Probably not much more complicated than the Space Marine Heroes versions I would think though.
Bet this unit is what shows up in the Elite and Command edition Starters, but not the recruit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This has nothing to do with pleasing "every facet of people in this hobby", so please, don't bother finishing your towering man of straw, because he's unnecessary.

I don't think that's a strawman at all. There are people here that would clearly prefer a full reverse back to old editions. There are others who would prefer an even greater narrative focus and no tournament style rules - beer and pretzels only. It'd be quite difficult to please everyone.

Listening and understanding are two different things, and has been long established, GW don't play the same game as the rest of us, so any feedback they've received likely to be misinterpreted or acted on in an impulsive and over-compensatory manner.

This makes the assumption that they don't understand. That is unknowable.

Yes, there are / were designers who had a more beer and pretzels approach to design and balance - an actual part of the community as noted above. It seems pretty evident to me that there are new people that have established a more tempering influence.

So many people have opinions on things that stand in opposition. Often people hate tournament rules, but want balance and more options and more narrative terrain.

Cutting down armies to two pages of rules, and absolutely gutting the strats, warlord traits, relics and psychic powers. This is the hard pendulum swing GW that so many of us expect, and that so many of us dread. There's no attempt to engage with or fix the problems of 9th; they just throw them out the window and start with a clean slate, hoping for the best, hoping that maybe this time they'll get it right.

Wait, are you saying there's not too many stratagems? There isn't too much AP? There isn't too much bloat?

What then are the problems of 9th and how would you fix them?

When you say there's not an attempt to engage it sounds a lot to me like 'they aren't doing exactly what I want them to do' even when they're directly addressing items that have been common complaints on this forum.

It'll be great this time. Honest! Here have (temporarily) free rules to distract you from the fact that your AUD$80+ hardbacks and expensive card packs are worth less than the paper they're printed on, some only months after they were released. Pay no attention to the fact that we've done this over and over again, and that we were already planning this a year into 9th, and we'll be writing 11th a year into 10th. No, this time - this time! - it'll be good.

You'll get no opposition from me on GW's fairly bs book release model.

But aside from that? 8th was great, despite it's flaws. 9th was great, despite it's flaws. And so were 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th - despite their own numerous flaws. All those things were enjoyable in the time that I played them and people largely wouldn't be here if they didn't also.

but as I said, they're just tossing everything overboard and going back to the drawing board and why should we trust that this time it'll be better? And why are you so willing to trust them this time?

But that's hyperbole, right? They didn't toss everything overboard. This is the same system, but just reduced to be more manageable.

The Tyranid codex was a really great book with some fantastic ideas, but it was also a huge minefield of rules interactions that become incredibly hard to juggle.

I am going to miss being able to pick my Cults. I don't know how they will reintroduce these things.
I don't know how I feel about not being able to choose my spells, but I do welcome the ability for psyker light armies to still be effective instead of being perma-denied by me.
I will miss a lot of my relics. I didn't take most of them, but I did like thinking about using them.

No one is expecting people to trust a corporation, but there's being cautious and there's being negative. I choose to be cautious and optimistic, because that's how I prefer to approach my hobby in an increasingly gakky world. I prefer to doomscroll outside of Warhammer.

Glad I was wrong about them.

Is it weird that the thing I like the most is the Teleport Homer?

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

Spoiler:

Here is a Guilliman repose I did a few years back, combined elements of the 30K model as well. I think the biggest reason people don't like 40K Guilliman is his gakky pose, he looks so much better standing normally.

Also his stupid arm cannon, that thing is awful looking.

Also the massive 60mm base, I hate the trend of "its center-piece model, stick it on 60mm base!" 50mm looks much cleaner imo

Great work on that!

Agreed - that is a really compelling conversion.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Is it weird that the thing I like the most is the Teleport Homer?

Yes, but it still looks great

Tsagualsa wrote:
Substantial new 10th rumours added to the OP:

Edit 03/29/2023 'It's on'!

New short video from Valrak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wruO7lmig
Mostly just talking about the disappointing Lion's Guard box, but he mentions that there apparently is a complete leak of the 10th edition book online somewhere, so be prepared!

Time to monitor 4chan!

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Substantial new 10th rumours added to the OP:

Edit 03/29/2023 'It's on'!

New short video from Valrak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wruO7lmig
Mostly just talking about the disappointing Lion's Guard box, but he mentions that there apparently is a complete leak of the 10th edition book online somewhere, so be prepared!

Time to monitor 4chan!

I specifically meant 'Be prepared and don't jump on the first obvious fake'

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Substantial new 10th rumours added to the OP:

Edit 03/29/2023 'It's on'!

New short video from Valrak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wruO7lmig
Mostly just talking about the disappointing Lion's Guard box, but he mentions that there apparently is a complete leak of the 10th edition book online somewhere, so be prepared!

Time to monitor 4chan!

And I'd like to thank the brave souls that do while I'm at work and can't access it as well. Being on my phone for hours on end ain't a good look LOL