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 dreadblade wrote:
Will there be a BRB for those not buying Leviathan? What about the indexes? Any news on those or will it just be cards?

Core rules and Index free online, Crusade supplement in the Leviathan box book will receive a separate release(book is only so big because it's that book and core book merged). I believe they mentioned a physical Core Rules as well, but the combined Core + Leviathan Crusade are box only.

 dreadblade wrote:
Will there be a BRB for those not buying Leviathan? What about the indexes? Any news on those or will it just be cards?

I'm sure I've seen confirmation they are selling a stand alone rulebook in at least one article.

 dreadblade wrote:
Will there be a BRB for those not buying Leviathan? What about the indexes? Any news on those or will it just be cards?

Yes - but it won't include all the stuff in the Leviathan rulebook (e.g. Crusade rules and Matched Play mission cards will be a separate purchase).

No Index books - just cards, available printed, in app or download.

 Asmodai wrote:

 dreadblade wrote:
Will there be a BRB for those not buying Leviathan? What about the indexes? Any news on those or will it just be cards?

Yes - but it won't include all the stuff in the Leviathan rulebook (e.g. Crusade rules and Matched Play mission cards will be a separate purchase).

No Index books - just cards, available printed, in app or download.

While everything I've heard about 10th so far sounds better, I'm really not keen on the return to cards. I hope that when the codexes come out you just need the BRB and your faction codex.

 dreadblade wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

 dreadblade wrote:
Will there be a BRB for those not buying Leviathan? What about the indexes? Any news on those or will it just be cards?

Yes - but it won't include all the stuff in the Leviathan rulebook (e.g. Crusade rules and Matched Play mission cards will be a separate purchase).

No Index books - just cards, available printed, in app or download.

While everything I've heard about 10th so far sounds better, I'm really not keen on the return to cards. I hope that when the codexes come out you just need the BRB and your faction codex.

They have said you need either Codex, cards, or app purchase. Don't want the cards? Don't buy the cards.

Personally, I'm feeling like my book shelves don't need any more Codexes and the cards are more functional for play.

Codexes are just excessively large packaging for app codes.

Talking of the cards, anyone noticed that the card images in the mission article are proportioned like Tarot cards? The Tempest of War and Critical Ops (for KT) cards were the same.

I wonder if this is a more general change that’s going to affect the game as a whole; they’ve been stuck on that custom card size they like (used in Necromunda, Blood Bowl, AT, HH etc. ) for a while – maybe they figured out that manufacturers will do smaller runs for less if they don’t have to make or buy custom tooling…

I really hope I can play this edition without buying codexes. Over that constant churn.

 AduroT wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For those who have the new Monolith kit: Is a movement of 7" enough to allow it to move its length/width?

Monolith itself is a 6” square, while the base is 160mm, so 6.3” diameter. Knocking its movement down from the current 8” to just 7” does nearly render Fly irrelevant since it won’t be able to clear any but the narrowest of walls it started its turn next to.

It can still run, which will still allow it to use the portal. Also I expect some character will be handing out +1" move.


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MorglumNecksnapper wrote:
- flyers that hover either hover the whole game (you become a kind of tank) or fly, no switching between rounds

Weird. Why? Maybe flying has some extra advantage than just a -1?

- a codex brings lore and new detachments, datasheet cards should remain 99% the same

Comforting that everyone will have comparable datasheets if true.

- emphasize on smaller unit sizes compared to 9th

I wonder what this means? No 30 Boyz?

- you can take what you want in a detachment, but taking the 'right' units gives a bonus

I imagined this would happen given somes strats / rules will target certain units, but the application could cause problems.


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 bullyboy wrote:
I really hope I can play this edition without buying codexes. Over that constant churn.

Well...if the cards are good and the points are free then all you would need to do is get a copy of the detachment you want to use. Theoretically.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Talking of the cards, anyone noticed that the card images in the mission article are proportioned like Tarot cards? The Tempest of War and Critical Ops (for KT) cards were the same.

I wonder if this is a more general change that’s going to affect the game as a whole; they’ve been stuck on that custom card size they like (used in Necromunda, Blood Bowl, AT, HH etc. ) for a while – maybe they figured out that manufacturers will do smaller runs for less if they don’t have to make or buy custom tooling…

nothing annoys me more than snowflake special card sizes that make it impossible to find clear matte sleeves with textured backs. i hope they are standard tarot size, sleeves for tarot are easy and available to find

 warmaster21 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Talking of the cards, anyone noticed that the card images in the mission article are proportioned like Tarot cards? The Tempest of War and Critical Ops (for KT) cards were the same.

I wonder if this is a more general change that’s going to affect the game as a whole; they’ve been stuck on that custom card size they like (used in Necromunda, Blood Bowl, AT, HH etc. ) for a while – maybe they figured out that manufacturers will do smaller runs for less if they don’t have to make or buy custom tooling…

nothing annoys me more than snowflake special card sizes that make it impossible to find clear matte sleeves with textured backs. i hope they are standard tarot size, sleeves for tarot are easy and available to find

Neither size is "snowflake". The Mission Cards, if anything like the Tempest cards, are near Tarot sized while the Datasheets are index card sized.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For those who have the new Monolith kit: Is a movement of 7" enough to allow it to move its length/width?

Monolith itself is a 6” square, while the base is 160mm, so 6.3” diameter. Knocking its movement down from the current 8” to just 7” does nearly render Fly irrelevant since it won’t be able to clear any but the narrowest of walls it started its turn next to.

It can still run, which will still allow it to use the portal. Also I expect some character will be handing out +1" move.

Ehhhh, we don't know if a unit with FLY even needs to "clear" a wall. Probably best to see exactly what the rules for FLY are. And also TITANIC.

 warmaster21 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Talking of the cards, anyone noticed that the card images in the mission article are proportioned like Tarot cards? The Tempest of War and Critical Ops (for KT) cards were the same.

I wonder if this is a more general change that’s going to affect the game as a whole; they’ve been stuck on that custom card size they like (used in Necromunda, Blood Bowl, AT, HH etc. ) for a while – maybe they figured out that manufacturers will do smaller runs for less if they don’t have to make or buy custom tooling…

nothing annoys me more than snowflake special card sizes that make it impossible to find clear matte sleeves with textured backs. i hope they are standard tarot size, sleeves for tarot are easy and available to find

There was a picture somewhere. It looked index card size - maybe a bit bigger. So 3x5.

I could be mistaken though.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 warmaster21 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Talking of the cards, anyone noticed that the card images in the mission article are proportioned like Tarot cards? The Tempest of War and Critical Ops (for KT) cards were the same.

I wonder if this is a more general change that’s going to affect the game as a whole; they’ve been stuck on that custom card size they like (used in Necromunda, Blood Bowl, AT, HH etc. ) for a while – maybe they figured out that manufacturers will do smaller runs for less if they don’t have to make or buy custom tooling…

nothing annoys me more than snowflake special card sizes that make it impossible to find clear matte sleeves with textured backs. i hope they are standard tarot size, sleeves for tarot are easy and available to find

Neither size is "snowflake". The Mission Cards, if anything like the Tempest cards, are near Tarot sized while the Datasheets are index card sized.

i didnt make my message clear, i was mostly refering to board games that alot of times dont even come in any standard card size, like usa/eu/japan/tarot, etc

 Platuan4th wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

MorglumNecksnapper wrote:

- You start with 0 zero CP, gain 1 every command phase (both) (so how do you think WLT and relics are handled?)

Those are enhancements, you only get to pick one and I haven't seen any mentions in previews so far of having a second WLT or Relic, I'm guessing they want to curb that for game balance.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/30/how-army-building-works-in-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000/

Each CHARACTER can only have one Enhancement, you can’t include more than three Enhancements in total, and these must all be different

Thank you, I had missed the part about having a max of 3 enhancements in total.

 warmaster21 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Talking of the cards, anyone noticed that the card images in the mission article are proportioned like Tarot cards? The Tempest of War and Critical Ops (for KT) cards were the same.

I wonder if this is a more general change that’s going to affect the game as a whole; they’ve been stuck on that custom card size they like (used in Necromunda, Blood Bowl, AT, HH etc. ) for a while – maybe they figured out that manufacturers will do smaller runs for less if they don’t have to make or buy custom tooling…

nothing annoys me more than snowflake special card sizes that make it impossible to find clear matte sleeves with textured backs. i hope they are standard tarot size, sleeves for tarot are easy and available to find

Won't you want sleeves without a textured back in this case - at least for the unit datacards - given we know there's information on both sides of the card?

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Thank you, I had missed the part about having a max of 3 enhancements in total.

I'm surprised it's not based on game size.

I mean there are the four sizes now, so you could have 1, 2, 3 or 4 enhancements available depending on the size of game.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

- emphasize on smaller unit sizes compared to 9th

I wonder what this means? No 30 Boyz?

I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case, it would make the revealed 'ead banger feel less insane.
And while the knee-jerk reaction is to feel bad about it, in reality ork players have only ever ran mobs of 30 if they were actively encouraged to do so by army synergies being vastly more efficient on mobs of 30 than in smaller ones. In any edition where this was not the case, running multiple small mobs was always the superior option. At some point you just can't fit more boyz into combat have trouble navigating the mob around terrain. The new blast rule also heavily discourages units of 30.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Thank you, I had missed the part about having a max of 3 enhancements in total.

I'm surprised it's not based on game size.

I mean there are the four sizes now, so you could have 1, 2, 3 or 4 enhancements available depending on the size of game.

You could say the same for the unit caps - as presented, it's a max of 3 (or 6) regardless of game size, which seems odd.

 Dysartes wrote:
You could say the same for the unit caps - as presented, it's a max of 3 (or 6) regardless of game size, which seems odd.

Oh, yeah. That's a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. Seems kinda obvious thinking about it now. Like, 2 of anything for the first two sizes (you could for 1 for the smaller size, but that might ruffle some feathers), then 3 of everything for the more 'normal', and then for big games you could do 4 of everything. Even make it scale. Once you hit 3k points you can take 4 of anything, and can take a 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. for every 1K (or part thereof) above that.

Scaling rules often make things so much better.

Yeah, it was something I twigged when the army construction article was posted, but no-one seemed to be commenting on it, which I thought was odd at the time.

I do prefer scaling rules, where possible - outside of unique characters, even things which are 0-1 or 0-2 (in older versions) should have been 0-1 or 0-2 per X points.

 Platuan4th wrote:


They have said you need either Codex, cards, or app purchase. Don't want the cards? Don't buy the cards.

Personally, I'm feeling like my book shelves don't need any more Codexes and the cards are more functional for play.

Want the cards? No chance. GW will make the minimum amount as usual and only a handful of people will get them.
They'll not reprint the inital batch and tell us new ones will come out when the new codex is released. And then they'll also be in the usual limited supply.

I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.

 AduroT wrote:
Codexes are just excessively large packaging for app codes.

Which are useless in the long run. I've just about got all my 9th Ed app data, and I bet they don't keep supporting it, so all my codes will be dead unless I buy them all again.

But then: when did we REALLY have that kind of scaling?
EG 3-7th it was 1HQ 2Std no matter the point cost.

GW lately seems to do a great job writing rules that discurage spam without those rules blocks.
I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt on this one - at least until we have the whole picture.

How well do the AoS card supplies hold? 40k datacards boxes seem to stay available at least.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Which are useless in the long run. I've just about got all my 9th Ed app data, and I bet they don't keep supporting it, so all my codes will be dead unless I buy them all again.

not only that, it was mentioned that the current App won't support 10th and that there will be a new one

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
You could say the same for the unit caps - as presented, it's a max of 3 (or 6) regardless of game size, which seems odd.

Oh, yeah. That's a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. Seems kinda obvious thinking about it now. Like, 2 of anything for the first two sizes (you could for 1 for the smaller size, but that might ruffle some feathers), then 3 of everything for the more 'normal', and then for big games you could do 4 of everything. Even make it scale. Once you hit 3k points you can take 4 of anything, and can take a 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. for every 1K (or part thereof) above that.

Scaling rules often make things so much better.

They did it like that in 8th when it was merely a suggestion for Organized play, not sure how it translated to 9th.

CoALabaer wrote:
But then: when did we REALLY have that kind of scaling?
EG 3-7th it was 1HQ 2Std no matter the point cost.

8th scaled unit caps by game size once the Tournament Guideline of 2/3/4 was introduced.

9th scaled Command Points and... sigh minimum board size by game size, though reverted unit caps to a flat Rule of 3, for some reason (unless you're an AIRCRAFT, which gained a different cap via the Balance Dataslate - though a cap that does scale by game size, oddly).

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How well do the AoS card supplies hold? 40k datacards boxes seem to stay available at least.

The AoS cards are splash releases because they still want you to buy the book. I have a feeling they'll be like the current 40K cards which are a constant product.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

I wonder what this means? No 30 Boyz?

They gave Nids 20 Termagants in the box, which also means just 2 Ripper bases. It could suggest that Termas are now 10-20, and Rippers are 1-2 bases or 1+bases?

CoALabaer wrote:
But then: when did we REALLY have that kind of scaling?
EG 3-7th it was 1HQ 2Std no matter the point cost.

GW lately seems to do a great job writing rules that discurage spam without those rules blocks.
I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt on this one - at least until we have the whole picture.

I mean scaling for games outside the tournament sphere would be fine. I can't imagine that restricting to 4 would be horrible for bigger games and restricting to 2 for games that newer players typically play couldn't hurt, either.

I think the overall goal is consistency though.


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 Jidmah wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

- emphasize on smaller unit sizes compared to 9th

I wonder what this means? No 30 Boyz?

I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case, it would make the revealed 'ead banger feel less insane.
And while the knee-jerk reaction is to feel bad about it, in reality ork players have only ever ran mobs of 30 if they were actively encouraged to do so by army synergies being vastly more efficient on mobs of 30 than in smaller ones. In any edition where this was not the case, running multiple small mobs was always the superior option. At some point you just can't fit more boyz into combat have trouble navigating the mob around terrain. The new blast rule also heavily discourages units of 30.

Makes me wonder how they'll handle conscripts, if true.