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 Matrindur wrote:
Another new Valrak video about new stuff:

Henry Cavill wants to do a Eisenhorn series, first season follows the first book.
He won't be an actor in this show but will probably be some bigger role in the future?

Assuming it is true, the only big role that come to mind would be one related to the ending of Penitent = .

Specially as it isn't really GW who will set the timing. The show is being made by Amazon with Amazon money, it is Amazon who will say when it is released and GW will have to adjust their plans to it.

They are pretty much the junior partners here.

Is that tower in the Battle Report new? The skeletal frame looking watchtower.

Edit: Nope, it's a Necromunda terrain piece I hadn't seen before.

 Tyran wrote:
Specially as it isn't really GW who will set the timing. The show is being made by Amazon with Amazon money, it is Amazon who will say when it is released and GW will have to adjust their plans to it.

They are pretty much the junior partners here.

Could mean 10th goes like 6th and we get the 11th edition release in 24-30 months instead of the usual 36.


Blurb on reference cards and the front of the Primaris Captain datasheet:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/07/reference-your-rules-in-seconds-with-the-new-look-warhammer-40000-datasheets/

Teatonev wrote:
Looks like a new battle report on Warhammer+ today with the new mission deck. Should have the leaks out soon enough so no need to subscribe.

Nothing interesting really. Very garage hammer incursion game. No real use of terrain - I don't think I saw a single save with cover. The combis didn't fire a secret unbeknownst mode so I'd kill that hopium for anyone still holding on to it.

Powerfist hitting on 2s is nice. Thought that would be a Terminator only thing.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Teatonev wrote:
Looks like a new battle report on Warhammer+ today with the new mission deck. Should have the leaks out soon enough so no need to subscribe.

Nothing interesting really. Very garage hammer incursion game. No real use of terrain - I don't think I saw a single save with cover. The combis didn't fire a secret unbeknownst mode so I'd kill that hopium for anyone still holding on to it.

Same caution I’ve urged before? The current data cards, so the ones being used in the demo games, are pre-codex ones. Something to get us by in the (hopefully) short term until our preferred codex rolls out.

We’ve seen from similar “this is to get you started” efforts that Codex releases tend to be much more in-depth. Immediate examples are 2nd Ed’s Little Black Book, Ravening Hordes, and 8th Ed’s Index books. All of those were significantly expanded upon as each Codex or Army Supplement was released.

Not pinning my colours to the mast on this one like, but we have a trend we can point to as reassurance these are just deliberately basic stopgaps.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Powerfist hitting on 2s is nice. Thought that would be a Terminator only thing.

And he's a great pick for that +1S&A / +2S&A enhancement along with Honor the Chapter on himself for free.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Teatonev wrote:
Looks like a new battle report on Warhammer+ today with the new mission deck. Should have the leaks out soon enough so no need to subscribe.

Nothing interesting really. Very garage hammer incursion game. No real use of terrain - I don't think I saw a single save with cover. The combis didn't fire a secret unbeknownst mode so I'd kill that hopium for anyone still holding on to it.

Same caution I’ve urged before? The current data cards, so the ones being used in the demo games, are pre-codex ones. Something to get us by in the (hopefully) short term until our preferred codex rolls out.

We’ve seen from similar “this is to get you started” efforts that Codex releases tend to be much more in-depth. Immediate examples are 2nd Ed’s Little Black Book, Ravening Hordes, and 8th Ed’s Index books. All of those were significantly expanded upon as each Codex or Army Supplement was released.

Not pinning my colours to the mast on this one like, but we have a trend we can point to as reassurance these are just deliberately basic stopgaps.

They've announced they're only releasing 9 Codexes in the first year.

If your main army is the twenty-fifth Codex in line, you'll be using these Index rules for almost all of the next 3 years - with maybe an occasional balance dataslate tweak or White Dwarf detachment.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Teatonev wrote:
Looks like a new battle report on Warhammer+ today with the new mission deck. Should have the leaks out soon enough so no need to subscribe.

Nothing interesting really. Very garage hammer incursion game. No real use of terrain - I don't think I saw a single save with cover. The combis didn't fire a secret unbeknownst mode so I'd kill that hopium for anyone still holding on to it.

Same caution I’ve urged before? The current data cards, so the ones being used in the demo games, are pre-codex ones. Something to get us by in the (hopefully) short term until our preferred codex rolls out..

And again, if you think they're re-writing hundreds of datacards right after creating them, you're lying to yourself and now others. There's no feedback or data to revise them with.

Late ones might have a revision, but the early ones are definitely getting what they're getting. Space marines and tyranids are done and in the can, they have to be for the printing to be done in time for autumn.
Best they can hope for (if something's wrong) are the spot fixes to the pdf versions that they mentioned today.

I'd be shocked if there's even minor revisions to any datacards on the roadmap (the 9 books out to spring 2024).

There's also no reason for GW to talk about updating the PDFs at all if these are just 'temporary' cards until a codex rollout.

Voss wrote:
Best they can hope for (if something's wrong) are the spot fixes to the pdf versions that they mentioned today.

That's what I expect for dkok medipacks.

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think this is the best look we've got at the Leviathan transfer sheet:

I guess White Scar, Salamander and Iron Hands players can go to hell?

In all honesty, I'm sort of surprised that it's not just UM.

Nah... Wolves and Angels always get everything - as a Sub faction they even get codexes before entire races...

 Asmodai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Teatonev wrote:
Looks like a new battle report on Warhammer+ today with the new mission deck. Should have the leaks out soon enough so no need to subscribe.

Nothing interesting really. Very garage hammer incursion game. No real use of terrain - I don't think I saw a single save with cover. The combis didn't fire a secret unbeknownst mode so I'd kill that hopium for anyone still holding on to it.

Same caution I’ve urged before? The current data cards, so the ones being used in the demo games, are pre-codex ones. Something to get us by in the (hopefully) short term until our preferred codex rolls out.

We’ve seen from similar “this is to get you started” efforts that Codex releases tend to be much more in-depth. Immediate examples are 2nd Ed’s Little Black Book, Ravening Hordes, and 8th Ed’s Index books. All of those were significantly expanded upon as each Codex or Army Supplement was released.

Not pinning my colours to the mast on this one like, but we have a trend we can point to as reassurance these are just deliberately basic stopgaps.

They've announced they're only releasing 9 Codexes in the first year.

If your main army is the twenty-fifth Codex in line, you'll be using these Index rules for almost all of the next 3 years - with maybe an occasional balance dataslate tweak or White Dwarf detachment.

As was the case in my preceding examples. Indeed, 8th impressed many if for nothing else than GW actually getting everyone a Codex in a single edition cycle.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Same caution I’ve urged before? The current data cards, so the ones being used in the demo games, are pre-codex ones. Something to get us by in the (hopefully) short term until our preferred codex rolls out.

We’ve seen from similar “this is to get you started” efforts that Codex releases tend to be much more in-depth. Immediate examples are 2nd Ed’s Little Black Book, Ravening Hordes, and 8th Ed’s Index books. All of those were significantly expanded upon as each Codex or Army Supplement was released.

Not pinning my colours to the mast on this one like, but we have a trend we can point to as reassurance these are just deliberately basic stopgaps.

There's certainly a chance that they made index cards with these weird combi-weapons while they figured out what to do in the codex, but I wouldn't bet on it changing. It's probably better to be surprised at this point.

 Asmodai wrote:
If your main army is the twenty-fifth Codex in line, you'll be using these Index rules for almost all of the next 3 years - with maybe an occasional balance dataslate tweak or White Dwarf detachment.

That... pretty much matches how my Sisters army went during 3rd edition.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Same caution I’ve urged before? The current data cards, so the ones being used in the demo games, are pre-codex ones. Something to get us by in the (hopefully) short term until our preferred codex rolls out.

We’ve seen from similar “this is to get you started” efforts that Codex releases tend to be much more in-depth. Immediate examples are 2nd Ed’s Little Black Book, Ravening Hordes, and 8th Ed’s Index books. All of those were significantly expanded upon as each Codex or Army Supplement was released.

Not pinning my colours to the mast on this one like, but we have a trend we can point to as reassurance these are just deliberately basic stopgaps.

There's certainly a chance that they made index cards with these weird combi-weapons while they figured out what to do in the codex, but I wouldn't bet on it changing. It's probably better to be surprised at this point.

In the past, removed options from NMNR have shown up in Legends Datasheets too - so it's not unlikely that the Sternguard Veterans Legends sheet will include broken-out combi weapons in addition to the other legacy options than aren't in their new kit.

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Teatonev wrote:
Looks like a new battle report on Warhammer+ today with the new mission deck. Should have the leaks out soon enough so no need to subscribe.

Nothing interesting really. Very garage hammer incursion game. No real use of terrain - I don't think I saw a single save with cover. The combis didn't fire a secret unbeknownst mode so I'd kill that hopium for anyone still holding on to it.

Same caution I’ve urged before? The current data cards, so the ones being used in the demo games, are pre-codex ones. Something to get us by in the (hopefully) short term until our preferred codex rolls out..

And again, if you think they're re-writing hundreds of datacards right after creating them, you're lying to yourself and now others. There's no feedback or data to revise them with.

Late ones might have a revision, but the early ones are definitely getting what they're getting. Space marines and tyranids are done and in the can, they have to be for the printing to be done in time for autumn.
Best they can hope for (if something's wrong) are the spot fixes to the pdf versions that they mentioned today.

I'd be shocked if there's even minor revisions to any datacards on the roadmap (the 9 books out to spring 2024).

There's also no reason for GW to talk about updating the PDFs at all if these are just 'temporary' cards until a codex rollout.

There is: FAQs and Errata.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Teatonev wrote:
Looks like a new battle report on Warhammer+ today with the new mission deck. Should have the leaks out soon enough so no need to subscribe.

Nothing interesting really. Very garage hammer incursion game. No real use of terrain - I don't think I saw a single save with cover. The combis didn't fire a secret unbeknownst mode so I'd kill that hopium for anyone still holding on to it.

Same caution I’ve urged before? The current data cards, so the ones being used in the demo games, are pre-codex ones. Something to get us by in the (hopefully) short term until our preferred codex rolls out..

And again, if you think they're re-writing hundreds of datacards right after creating them, you're lying to yourself and now others. There's no feedback or data to revise them with.

Late ones might have a revision, but the early ones are definitely getting what they're getting. Space marines and tyranids are done and in the can, they have to be for the printing to be done in time for autumn.
Best they can hope for (if something's wrong) are the spot fixes to the pdf versions that they mentioned today.

I'd be shocked if there's even minor revisions to any datacards on the roadmap (the 9 books out to spring 2024).

There's also no reason for GW to talk about updating the PDFs at all if these are just 'temporary' cards until a codex rollout.

There is: FAQs and Errata.

Of course there will be revisions to datacards for stuff on the roadmap - they'll add units that can be joined by characters, for example. No way they'll spoil unit names for stuff in a codex 6+ months away right now, new units that get introduced will get added to the cards later on.

Primaris Captain looks decent as a mini-beatstick with that once per game ability. Sadly they didn't give the Assault, Heavy, or Rapid Fire keywords to the master-crafted bolt rifle though (okay Heavy would be irrelevant on this guy actually but the others?).

Nah... Wolves and Angels always get everything - as a Sub faction they even get codexes before entire races...
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You say that like there is an actual race getting discriminated against. Rather than say a percentage of the player base who are disappointed that they are not first. Of which the SW/BA players are also a percentage.

If it makes you happier SW appear to be at the very end right before another 'sub-faction': World Eaters.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Primaris Captain looks decent as a mini-beatstick with that once per game ability. Sadly they didn't give the Assault, Heavy, or Rapid Fire keywords to the master-crafted bolt rifle though (okay Heavy would be irrelevant on this guy actually but the others?).

Heavy is relevant vs any target with a -1 to hit

My killy kaptain isn't killy enough!

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
My killy kaptain isn't killy enough!

That's not what the complaint is.

With Nids and Marines coming out first, will their card sets contain new units that will release with the Codex? Or will they reprint the cards alongside the Codex with updates

The free ones we're getting today/over night will have all existing units. Anything new will have to wait for the Codex (and a whole new set of cards).

I'd be amazed if there were cards that were for units we don't have yet/haven't been revealed yet.

If you don't have a copy reserved yet, get on it. Some stores getting very few.

GW started calling on Monday, starting with the largest/oldest accounts assuming they had plenty. "No caps, order what you want." Even had suggested numbers.

They came close to selling out Monday, and Tuesday they started trimming what people could order. On Wednesday, stores were cut to 3 copies and they are sold out through Trade Sales.

Monday's orders were immediately charged and shipped to start clearing the warehouse, so by the time they knew they were short, they couldn't cap large orders.

A lot depends on when your local LGS was called or put in their order.

well, this will be selling very well as I have seen today some 3rd party sites that are not tabletop/wargame related at all, put out advertising articles that this is "the best value set that 40k ever had" and that "even while 40k and GW being pricy, it was never so cheap to start"

given, without rules and points being part of the box we don't know this yet, as no one knows how many of those boxes you need to a playable army or if the 2 sides are balanced at all
already seeing people reserving 2-3 boxes just to be sure they have enough models to start playing

Two local stores here, one very large with big GW orders. This would classify as the large order store that got called Monday. They have a massive order exceeding 200 copies (but who knows if it will be fulfilled), the other store was just told they can get 8. That’s crazy town in my eyes
I have an order with large store, but nowhere near the top. And tbh, I won’t be heartbroken if I don’t get a copy, I plan for 10th to be the cheap edition for me with massive caps on what I order this time around, while I focus on other games.

One of the stores I use got half the allocation they ordered, so they're just throwing it all on the website and hoping for the best.

Another is sending out codes to certain people to give them 5m early access to the website before it goes live on Saturday.

 kodos wrote:


given, without rules and points being part of the box we don't know this yet, as no one knows how many of those boxes you need to a playable army or if the 2 sides are balanced at all
already seeing people reserving 2-3 boxes just to be sure they have enough models to start playing

Auspex Tactics' latest video hypothesises that the two forces are very unbalanced. I haven't seen it but apparently in the Warhammer+ battle report they added another 20 termagants and 5 barbagants to the Tyranids box contents to balance it?