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Tsagualsa wrote:

2x210 wrote:
If SM can get 252 pages can I just my fething jump Chaos Lord back?

Nah, you'll get 27 flavours of Possessed and variant Terminators instead. More than 250 pages sure drives home how much bloat and nonsense even 'barebones' SM now have, it'll be closer to 500 once you factor in the various sub-flavours and characters. That's just too much for a healthy game.

The worst part is, they could chop down so much of it by simply moving the unit entries back towards giving us options. Captain, can have bike, jump pack, terminator armor, or gravis armor. Pick weapons.

That would eliminate so much of this nonsense.


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No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Also outriders can now be units of up to 6 + an invader!

Wish they'd just done 8 plus the invader so you could field them as a proper assault squad on bikes.


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Voss wrote:
Whirlwinds- Holy feth! Artillery that disrupts/pins infantry units? What world is this?

Its also just surprisingly decent at killing infantry.


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Ugh. Transport restrictions still exist. They aren't as strict for some vehicles, but no 'tacitus' or 'phobos' (ie, no primaris) in rhinos/razorbacks and no non-primaris in Impulsors.

They even restricted drop pods so they can't carry Gravis models. Just ridiculous to keep shoe-horning these restrictions in. Are they one army or not?

What does the hive mind make of the disappearance of several combat patrols from the GW webstore? I can't see Necrons or 'nids anymore, and Space marines are no longer available. Will these existing boxes not be supported in 10th?

It'll be new ones to keep the range "fresh".

Or to ensure the new Combat Patrol sub-game is better balanced, and offers much the same experience.

Because make no mistake. Combat Patrol is the gateway drug format of 40K.

Yes Little Timmy. You do just need the Combat Patrol box to be able to play……what’s that Little Timmy….it’s been a few weeks….and you want more….well of course you do, son. Come on in.

This is just how it goes. And it’ll go best if each set offers as common an experience as possible.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

They even restricted drop pods so they can't carry Gravis models. Just ridiculous to keep shoe-horning these restrictions in. Are they one army or not?

That one doesn't bother me. Gravis are terminator size, so it makes sense that they're similarly restricted to heavy tanks as transports.

Its that they peeled it mostly back to size-based restrictions and then stopped right at the everyday transports that actually matter. There they kept the gatekeeping insanity.

Teatonev wrote:
What does the hive mind make of the disappearance of several combat patrols from the GW webstore? I can't see Necrons or 'nids anymore, and Space marines are no longer available. Will these existing boxes not be supported in 10th?

We know necrons get new one and no doubt marines&nids get the cp ones from leviathan separately on sale.

Seems quite probable the marines and tyranids patrols will be reboxed Leviathan models. Necrons needed redoing because they had a Flyer which kind of doesn't work in the format

"Reads that Rhino can't really take primaris marines"

Son of a bitch!


Well atleast Drop Pod can take them.

The change in the Necron combat patrol probably has more to do with the retirement of the 9th starter sets. Until this month, the first thing to buy for playing necrons was one of the starter sets and the combat patrol supplemented it, now with the starters gone they had an awkward combat patrol without necron warriors so it makes a lot of sense to make a new patrol. They may change other patrols to make the introductory game mode better but I would bet in the other patrols remaining the same until there is a new codex for the army, and some of them even surviving the arrival of the codex.

 Sotahullu wrote:
"Reads that Rhino can't really take primaris marines"

Son of a bitch!


Well atleast Drop Pod can take them.

They DID tell us in advance that Rhinos, Razorbacks, and Impulsors were still going to be restrictive. At least damn near anybody can fit into a Land Raider or Repulsor.

 Matthew Flamen wrote:
The change in the Necron combat patrol probably has more to do with the retirement of the 9th starter sets. Until this month, the first thing to buy for playing necrons was one of the starter sets and the combat patrol supplemented it, now with the starters gone they had an awkward combat patrol without necron warriors so it makes a lot of sense to make a new patrol. They may change other patrols to make the introductory game mode better but I would bet in the other patrols remaining the same until there is a new codex for the army, and some of them even surviving the arrival of the codex.

It'll be because the old Necron box had a weird mix of models including an aircraft, which even dedicated Combat Patrol rules would struggle to make function.

The new one is just a bunch of Indomitus models that generally fit one theme.

Read the assault marine sheet and saw the lightning claws and just didn’t compute that would be just for the sergeant. My twin claw vanvets are super unhappy with the gak sheet that is Vanguard Veterans. Heirloom weapon hits like a soft noodle and my unit is made up of thunder hammers and lightning claws.

So very stupid.

Will probably just use assault marines and pay points for all to be equipped with claws for friendly play. Geedubs ain’t gonna feth with my narrative forging!

Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

oh, van vets got hit HARD. not just the reduction to "str 5 chainswords", which sucks and totally changes the use case for the unit for many armies if they were using thunder hammer van vets as a vehicle killer, but also all the "icarus" type AA weapons now have ANTI-FLY, which affects them now as well.

the Stalker SPAAG, with 6 shots that hit on 3 and crit wound on 2, is going to be painful for FLY heavy armies to face.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

Ya think? All my dual pistol Vanguard are illegal now.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

Ya think? All my dual pistol Vanguard are illegal now.

no, its just one is a heirloom melee weapon now. its such an antique pistol, they dont dare fire it and just clobber the enemies of the emperor with it.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

Ya think? All my dual pistol Vanguard are illegal now.

Like at least with Sternguard you can pretend, but so many VV models are going to look well out of place.

I fully expect a new kit a la Sternguard that officially puts them on ice.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Splendid, just wonderful. Very hard to read this as anything but GW fething over independent retailers on the 11th hour, on purpose.

Or the level of pre-orders from other stockists were so high that GW had to go back and revise to spread the allocation more equally? Probably shouldn't jump the gun based on one location.

GW created this to take away from independent retailers. Now they can make less product yet make more money. Let's check the facts here.
-Boarding patrols limited release sent to content creators for free to gain hype of something they never planned to overly produce... why? to create FOMO.
-Kill Team box sets (last several)- release to content creators, create FOMO- push people to get it from GW store because of only 1-2 sets for independent stores due to allotments.
-New Kill team getting out of gallowdark- Ashes of Faith?, again give to content creatures, create a huge demand, create FOMO, pushes people to go to GW to try a hope at getting it from their webstore. -preconditioning the consumer that the independent retailer can't get it and their only chance is GW website where GW will make 100 percent profit or 130% profit if they sell to USA or another arbitrose country.
-Space Marine Heroes (deathguard)- basically only available from GW webstore. Limited to no store allotments due to only releasing 1200 sets. Huge FOMO and conditioning consumers to just go to the webstore.

- Roll out Leviathan. originally state it will be widely produced and this is the reason why they didn't produce enough any other set they released (or alteast they say this to calm the consumer). Basically say everyone can get it, then mid week call their independent retailers and tell them there are... dum.. dum.. dum... allotments. This even though it is a two week release and they are making 75000 units, still pushes people to have FOMO in their mind so they will buy it from the webstore. Less units sold (more on the website) = more money per unit (esp in the USA where over half their business is from).

Could they fix this sure, they could do a Made to order, to ensure everyone gets one, even if they can't when they first go for sale. Will they do this? who knows, basically they will make 100-130% profit still on units sold with no overhead, but it hurts their FOMO business tactic. I can see GW going to mostly web store based as everything is pushing their sales model to this. It means they don't have to produce as much and makes more profit. GW has proven they don't care about the consumer, just about the share holders many times and finding ways to produce less and make more profit is ... their bottom line.

So, time to enter the smash techmarine meta I guess? The Honour Vehement adds +1 (sometimes +2) attacks to the bearers melee weapons.

Techmarine can carry a few melee weapons:
Omnissian axe (4-7 attacks)
Plasma cutter (2 extra attacks)
Servo arm (1 extra attack)
Another servo arm (1 extra attack)

After enhancement he can dish out up to 19 attacks on his own right? He also has a few guns and can mob up tacticals and servitors.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

Ya think? All my dual pistol Vanguard are illegal now.

Like at least with Sternguard you can pretend, but so many VV models are going to look well out of place.

I fully expect a new kit a la Sternguard that officially puts them on ice.

I'm not accepting what happened to Sternguard, and I'm damn well not going to accept what happened to Vanguard. The level of complacency you have is maddening.

 Insularum wrote:
So, time to enter the smash techmarine meta I guess? The Honour Vehement adds +1 (sometimes +2) attacks to the bearers melee weapons.

Techmarine can carry a few melee weapons:
Omnissian axe (4-7 attacks)
Plasma cutter (2 extra attacks)
Servo arm (1 extra attack)
Another servo arm (1 extra attack)

After enhancement he can dish out up to 19 attacks on his own right? He also has a few guns and can mob up tacticals and servitors.

Extra attack weapons cant have their number of attacks increased.

Ah good catch - just a paltry 13 max then...

Skimmed through the datasheets. I feel like a format where both sides of the card are visible on a single page would be preferable. I will see if I make an edit of the document.. for personal use obvs

Pretty much what I expected. I will be able to field most of my army in 10th, just need to "counts-as" two vehicles (A Spartan modded for only twin LC sponsons, counts-as Land Raider & A Caestus Assault Ram, counts-as Stormraven) and leave out a bit of toys.. unless Legends saves those

 tauist wrote:
Skimmed through the datasheets. I feel like a format where both sides of the card are visible on a single page would be preferable. I will see if I make an edit of the document.. for personal use obvs

If you got the orientation right, you could just fold them in half for cards.

I went into my FLG today and pre-ordered Leviathan. Both the clerk and I didn't realize that TOMORROW was pre-order day, but I'd already paid so he waved it off and said it'd stand.

What he also told me was that between the two stores they have (same company, same store name, one in each town) the smaller store got 21 boxes and the larger store got 53. Keep in mind that the area with the smaller store has maybe 12k people in town, and the larger one has probably less than 100k.

I'll be stopping by another FLG (the one I prefer) on Sunday while I'm doing a delivery for work and speaking with them. But for the time being, at least state side, it sure sounds like most stores are getting a huge amount of the things. IIRC the "larger" store I'm referencing here got like.. Maaayyyyybbbbeeee 24 boxes of Indomitus, tops?

So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

If I has to guess, the intention may have been to consolidate the regular Box-nought and VenDread into a single entry. Repackage the VenDread as a regular Box-nought (removing the missile launcher option from the datasheet for the Codex). But then they used the wrong picture on the datasheet.

A lot of weirdness in the Marine Index.
I both like and detest the way characters join units, or rather the incredibly limited units they can join.
On the one hand, it seems fluffy to have Characters join like-armoured units and prevents pre-8th shenanigans of Characters joining chaff units as a springboard to combat.
Otoh, many of my Eldar Characters and my son's Salamanders Characters don't have units they can join. So we either need to buy characters that can join the units we have, or buy units that are compatible with our Characters.
Touche GW, touche

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

I assume their intent here was to roll the standard dreadnought and the venerable into a single slot, but I am confused as to why they used the pic of the old dreadnought model that they just retired instead of the Venerable kit.
Also a little surprised they didn't put the SW and BA options on there like they did with so much other wargear, so I'm curious to see how that's handled. Hopefully in a way that lets me run as BA or SW and field double the dreadnoughts.

angel of death 007 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Splendid, just wonderful. Very hard to read this as anything but GW fething over independent retailers on the 11th hour, on purpose.

Or the level of pre-orders from other stockists were so high that GW had to go back and revise to spread the allocation more equally? Probably shouldn't jump the gun based on one location.

GW created this to take away from independent retailers. Now they can make less product yet make more money. Let's check the facts here.
-Boarding patrols limited release sent to content creators for free to gain hype of something they never planned to overly produce... why? to create FOMO.
-Kill Team box sets (last several)- release to content creators, create FOMO- push people to get it from GW store because of only 1-2 sets for independent stores due to allotments.
-New Kill team getting out of gallowdark- Ashes of Faith?, again give to content creatures, create a huge demand, create FOMO, pushes people to go to GW to try a hope at getting it from their webstore. -preconditioning the consumer that the independent retailer can't get it and their only chance is GW website where GW will make 100 percent profit or 130% profit if they sell to USA or another arbitrose country.
-Space Marine Heroes (deathguard)- basically only available from GW webstore. Limited to no store allotments due to only releasing 1200 sets. Huge FOMO and conditioning consumers to just go to the webstore.

- Roll out Leviathan. originally state it will be widely produced and this is the reason why they didn't produce enough any other set they released (or alteast they say this to calm the consumer). Basically say everyone can get it, then mid week call their independent retailers and tell them there are... dum.. dum.. dum... allotments. This even though it is a two week release and they are making 75000 units, still pushes people to have FOMO in their mind so they will buy it from the webstore. Less units sold (more on the website) = more money per unit (esp in the USA where over half their business is from).

Could they fix this sure, they could do a Made to order, to ensure everyone gets one, even if they can't when they first go for sale. Will they do this? who knows, basically they will make 100-130% profit still on units sold with no overhead, but it hurts their FOMO business tactic. I can see GW going to mostly web store based as everything is pushing their sales model to this. It means they don't have to produce as much and makes more profit. GW has proven they don't care about the consumer, just about the share holders many times and finding ways to produce less and make more profit is ... their bottom line.

We will review this when their next financial statement is out. Until then you keep clinging on.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

The VenDread shouldn't have become a separate entry to begin with and should've stayed as an upgrade to existing Dreads. It's absolutely stupid Ironclads can't be Vens.