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**TheGoodGerman**

Binabik15 wrote:
I have my son today/this weekend so I didn't really care about pre-ordering. Just checked GW site, it referred to the English site where nothing about Leviathan was up. So I checked my usual German sites and but one they are sold out, too. German GW site has it still available, too. If I get a discount box, I get one, if I don't...eh, I never got to paint my old Nids, anyway. And my LGS had AoS 3.0 boxes for years, with extra diacou

What I'm actually bummed about is that I now get a notification about a queue and Leviathan in the US when trying to go on the GW site to look at 360 images (which is what I'm really interested in, to check the new Terminator proportions). Stupid phone browser.

Kutami has a good discount and apparently still stock of the German box. For 160 Euros free shipping it’s a very good deal

Edit:
…aaand it’s gone.

**BrookM**

My local retailer of choice had their stock sell out in around 40 minutes, give or take, though this was probably also due to them not implementing a "one per customer" restriction.

They're waiting until Monday to see if there will be more stock allotted to them, or if there'll be a made to order run. Hopefully not, high time GW puts regular production back in order already.

**Daedalus81**

Does eBay work differently in the UK? Do they not have listings like the US?

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BrookM wrote:
My local retailer of choice had their stock sell out in around 40 minutes, give or take, though this was probably also due to them not implementing a "one per customer" restriction.

They're waiting until Monday to see if there will be more stock allotted to them, or if there'll be a made to order run. Hopefully not, high time GW puts regular production back in order already.

It seems like the UK has a real scalper issue. In the US there's several listings with 'more than 10 available' for discounted pricing. In the UK it looks like scalpers ran out and immediately reposted their discounted boxes for absurd prices. Someone even has the gall to list for £700.

The lowest buy it now is £200.

Did Wayland or Element limit to one per customer?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

19:28

Still copies available direct from GW.

**cuda1179**

I just did a deep dive into the SM data sheets. Looks like my Ultramarines came off pretty much intact. The only things that will be Legends are a Rapier, the Imperial Space Marine, and a Terminus Ultra. The only other casualty is that I used Vextrix Guard on their own, but now you need to have Calgar too.

Too bad my Deathwatch marines have been gutted for weapon options.

**xttz**

cuda1179 wrote:
I just did a deep dive into the SM data sheets. Looks like my Ultramarines came off pretty much intact. The only things that will be Legends are a Rapier, the Imperial Space Marine, and a Terminus Ultra. The only other casualty is that I used Vextrix Guard on their own, but now you need to have Calgar too.

Too bad my Deathwatch marines have been gutted for weapon options.

FYI this index includes units that have been specifically mentioned as going into Legends

Don't expect them all to be in the codex in September-ish.

**Undead_Love-Machine**

Why is there a 37 minute queue to get onto the Forge World website? at 20:48 uk time?

Looks like GW's queuing system isn't perfect!

**tneva82**

Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Why is there a 37 minute queue to get onto the Forge World website? at 20:48 uk time?

Looks like GW's queuing system isn't perfect!

Same server, same databases. Gw not paying double server costs to avoid fw queue in these rare cases.

**Gert**

9pm UK time and Leviathan is still on sale on the GW website.

**Memnoch**

Gert wrote:
9pm UK time and Leviathan is still on sale on the GW website.

Yeah the queue system and amount of stock available direct seemed to work better than previous launches for sure. Dont think anyone would have an issue getting from GW direct.

**Andykp**

I just ordered one now, no queue. Have an order with waylaid games but don’t trust them so got another. Nearly 12 hours after you can still get it. You cannot say this Pre-order hasn’t worked well.

**Gert**

I'm sure someone will try.

**Voss**

Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

**Gert**

Hate to rub it in but the UK site is saying it's still in stock over here. 12 hours and counting for a non-MTO edition starter box is really damn good.
Still, it'll probably be gone by 10am UK time.

**Kanluwen**

US webstore always sells out pretty quick, comparatively, and ends up cannibalizing the in-store sales to fulfill overflow.

**SamusDrake**

Andykp wrote:
I just ordered one now, no queue. Have an order with waylaid games but don’t trust them so got another. Nearly 12 hours after you can still get it. You cannot say this Pre-order hasn’t worked well.

No longer on Wayland. Just got back from work and was going to treat myself with an impulse purchase, but all they have is the Darius Hinks novel.

Which sucks to lose out on the Screamer Killer, but I'm more than happy to pick up one of the inevitable starter sets.

**Dysartes**

Voss wrote:
Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

It's meant to be a 2 week pre-order window - it's arguable that selling out within the week shows poor forecasting for demand.

And the UK store's performance in that regard shows that they really should be using that queue system for high profile launches (see: Gallowfall, Lion, Ashes of Faith, etc).

**Voss**

Dysartes wrote:
Voss wrote:
Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

It's meant to be a 2 week pre-order window - it's arguable that selling out within the week shows poor forecasting for demand.

Oh, it absolutely is poor forecasting. But its a fine window for customers obtaining it if they want, which is what I care about. And they aren't even coming close to that milestone of 'poor performance' for a lot of things, as you mention.

**Asmodai**

Still about 40 copies locally at local games stores. Stock levels haven't moved after the initial hour of pre-orders.

It may be available on shelves for most of the edition, like the AoS Dominion box.

**Andykp**

SamusDrake wrote:
Andykp wrote:
I just ordered one now, no queue. Have an order with waylaid games but don’t trust them so got another. Nearly 12 hours after you can still get it. You cannot say this Pre-order hasn’t worked well.

No longer on Wayland. Just got back from work and was going to treat myself with an impulse purchase, but all they have is the Darius Hinks novel.

Which sucks to lose out on the Screamer Killer, but I'm more than happy to pick up one of the inevitable starter sets.

I don’t trust wayland and their stocks so did the other order. If I get 2 I will happily off load one at cost. Just pm me if you want it (assuming wayland fulfil the order). Or I will be off loading the nids either way. Not looking to scalp anyone.

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Voss wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Voss wrote:
Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

It's meant to be a 2 week pre-order window - it's arguable that selling out within the week shows poor forecasting for demand.

Oh, it absolutely is poor forecasting. But its a fine window for customers obtaining it if they want, which is what I care about. And they aren't even coming close to that milestone of 'poor performance' for a lot of things, as you mention.

I don’t imagine forecasting showed anything other than a quick sell out. They could probably sell more but are limited by production and warehousing.

**deleted20250424**

Dysartes wrote:
Voss wrote:
Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

It's meant to be a 2 week pre-order window - it's arguable that selling out within the week shows poor forecasting for demand.

And the UK store's performance in that regard shows that they really should be using that queue system for high profile launches (see: Gallowfall, Lion, Ashes of Faith, etc).

But, but.... GW SWORE they made more than enough for the launch.

**Kanluwen**

You know that the webstore isn't 100% of the stock produced, right?

**deleted20250424**

4 hours sellout for a 2 week pre-order says a LOT.

**Kanluwen**

Yeah, that the queue system worked pretty well.

It wasn't until around 5pm, when the queue system went away, that the box suddenly just poofed.

Just sayin'.

**deleted20250424**

Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, that the queue system worked pretty well.

It wasn't until around 5pm, when the queue system went away, that the box suddenly just poofed.

Just sayin'.

Glad it meets your low bar.

**xttz**

TalonZahn wrote:
4 hours sellout for a 2 week pre-order says a LOT.

The two weeks aren't necessarily for selling the stock, they're for physically moving tens or hundreds of thousands of boxes around to where they're wanted.

**H.B.M.C.**

Gert wrote:
Hate to rub it in...

What exactly are you rubbing in? There seems to be a great drive amongst a certain group here to "prove" something about this release.

Independent stockists ran out sometimes within minutes. GW had to institute a traffic blocking queue to stop everyone (READ: scalpers) from insta-buying the entire run. The fact that they did this is a good thing, not some grand victory against those who have complained about GW's stock levels in the past.

Ashes of Faith still sold out within microseconds. Gallowfall still sold out within microseconds.

This release was 20x bigger, and still proves nothing.

**totalfailure**

It does, in fact, prove something - people were going to be eager to get on here and bash away regardless of what happened with this launch. Sells out in minutes ‘See, I told you GW is evil and doesn’t care about its customers’. Same person if it was still on sale two weeks from now - ‘See, I told you tenth was going to be a total flop’.

**Andykp**

7am BST and it’s still available on the uk site. ITS A DISASTER!

Ashes of faith was an absolute mess, this seems to have been managed pretty well.

**lord_blackfang**

totalfailure wrote:
It does, in fact, prove something - people were going to be eager to get on here and bash away regardless of what happened with this launch. Sells out in minutes ‘See, I told you GW is evil and doesn’t care about its customers’. Same person if it was still on sale two weeks from now - ‘See, I told you tenth was going to be a total flop’.

Likewise the same water carriers who say GW did a good job now because people had a whole 5 hours of time to buy the box at full retail and 0 time to buy it at discount in what was supposed to be a 2 week window would still say that even if GW went around town shooting puppies.