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 Platuan4th wrote:
Guess events gotta ban Deathwatch.

Banning the Hellfire Rounds Stratagem is probably enough.

Deathwatch should be banned entirely for the travesty of their Datasheets alone.

My deathwatch is going to miss power fists and 4 frag cannons per turn.

This edition isent looking so good out of the gate.

Boosykes wrote:
This edition isent looking so good out of the gate.

I think it's horses for courses. There's only a small handful of particularly derpy interactions that raise eyebrows at present, which given the volume of stuff revealed so far isn't shocking. I'd be more worried if they managed to give us what, 250+ units, 6 sets of army rules and not have 1 total clusterfeth of weird interactions. It's down to how quickly they step in and adjust the outliers.

 Destrado wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Destrado wrote:


I don't think they should ever have [ANTI] (especially 2+!) and [Devastating Wounds] on a squad. You're bypassing the "to wound" and "save roll" parts, hitting on 2+.

Anti- triggers on To Wound roll, not To-Hit

Yeah, got it mixed, I also had Lethal Hits floating in my head, which only wound, not critically wound.

But still, it's allowing a unit to do mortal wounds on a 2+, with 18 shots just from the terminators. That's probably too much.

It's powerful, but you're looking at a VERY specific build, and CPs aren't as readily available as they used to be. And it only works against infantry, so it's hardly designed for a 'take all comers' list - if someone rolls up with Knights, you're pretty much screwed.

Not happy with deathwatch, but at least they are just 'ravenous hoards' style get you by jobs. Remember how bland that was when WH changed editions?

Hopefully they will get a better set in the codex

Not sure how much new datasheet or two to new models and few extra detachment going to change much.

tneva82 wrote:
Not sure how much new datasheet or two to new models and few extra detachment going to change much.

Put the Blackshields back?

tneva82 wrote:
Not sure how much new datasheet or two to new models and few extra detachment going to change much.

Probably not much if the "One in, One out" thing is even partly true. Anyone thinking this is like Ravening Hordes is on hard Copium. Hell, basically nothing in Ravening Hordes had any sort of special rules.

Trying to figure out what my DW vets with jump packs and Heavy Thunder Hammers are going to represent? Probably just a vet with inoperative jump pack in a proteus kill team. WYSIWYG be damned, that’s all on GW.

Don’t suppose anyone has been on the GW face book page and asked me by Helbrecht is the only chapter master without the chapter master keyword and also why he’s the only primaris chapter master on 5 wounds and not 6 (or more)?

bullyboy wrote:Trying to figure out what my DW vets with jump packs and Heavy Thunder Hammers are going to represent? Probably just a vet with inoperative jump pack in a proteus kill team. WYSIWYG be damned, that’s all on GW.

At the moment, they just represent bad decisions. DW is essentially unplayable with these rules - depending on the player's choices, either unbearably dull or extremely broken.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:Don’t suppose anyone has been on the GW face book page and asked me by Helbrecht is the only chapter master without the chapter master keyword and also why he’s the only primaris chapter master on 5 wounds and not 6 (or more)?

It's probably more typos, more than enough of them have popped up once they showed substantial amounts of datasheets. Missing keywords seem to be the most common errors, some marine characters lack the correct armour type, some units lack 'Psyker', and so on.

Boosykes wrote:
This edition isent looking so good out of the gate.

It's a single strat. So far people have freaked out about Prisms, D-Cannons, Desolators and this, but the general attitude is so pervasive that it feels like the whole thing is bad, right?

Prisms, Desolators and D-Cannons are a possibly issue to deal with via points ( less so on Desolators ) so they're not worth freaking out about right now. That's a small handful of "big" issues on 266 datasheets.

GW was never going to nail it. What matters is that they do some quick fixes on these digital rules. If they don't...then we riot, but it's also important to keep a cool head, because many of these issues may be very different on the table.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Don’t suppose anyone has been on the GW face book page and asked me by Helbrecht is the only chapter master without the chapter master keyword and also why he’s the only primaris chapter master on 5 wounds and not 6 (or more)?

Better emailing the FAQ hotline politely than noisily annoying the FB team.

 bullyboy wrote:
Trying to figure out what my DW vets with jump packs and Heavy Thunder Hammers are going to represent? Probably just a vet with inoperative jump pack in a proteus kill team. WYSIWYG be damned, that’s all on GW.

Either a foot vet with hammer, or just shove him in a standard type van vets squad where he's just got an unusual heirloom weapon

Dudeface wrote:

Boosykes wrote:
This edition isent looking so good out of the gate.

I think it's horses for courses. There's only a small handful of particularly derpy interactions that raise eyebrows at present, which given the volume of stuff revealed so far isn't shocking. I'd be more worried if they managed to give us what, 250+ units, 6 sets of army rules and not have 1 total clusterfeth of weird interactions. It's down to how quickly they step in and adjust the outliers.

…and everyone not throwing a gakfit in the meantime. Ain’t no way patches will land pre-release and we’re two weeks out, so Day 1 FAQs notwithstanding we’re a month away from any hit fixes. Everyone will be calm and patient til the… oh.

It wouldn't be the first time GW throws a panicked day 1 patch. Specially as tournaments are far more confident in outright banning entire factions.

There are at least a dozen typos that need fixing do far. I'm hoping they fix this before the codex's come out.

 cuda1179 wrote:
There are at least a dozen typos that need fixing do far. I'm hoping they fix this before the codex's come out.

Hopefully they manage that low bar. The first thing that comes out from the pdfs released today are Dark Angels _next spring_. If they're particularly late in the spring, they've got a full year.

I'd hope they mange the errors by August at the latest (and I mean genuine errors, not simply people not liking things).

Voss wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
There are at least a dozen typos that need fixing do far. I'm hoping they fix this before the codex's come out.

Hopefully they manage that low bar. The first thing that comes out from the pdfs released today are Dark Angels _next spring_. If they're particularly late in the spring, they've got a full year.

I'd hope they mange the errors by August at the latest (and I mean genuine errors, not simply people not liking things).

Yeah, like equipment with the wrong stats, TWC with no thunderhammers, and Wolf Scouts with 1 wound.

Assuming some of those are mistakes...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Assuming some of those are mistakes...

Lol, while I know you are only kidding part of me feels it's likely either true, of GW has reached a level of apathy that they just don't care.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Assuming some of those are mistakes...

Lol, while I know you are only kidding part of me feels it's likely either true, of GW has reached a level of apathy that they just don't care.

There's a solution to it, which I've said multiple times, but until tournaments actively ban whole armies more often or y'all stop buying the plastic crack, they're gon a continue their apathy.

^Tbf 10th may be the first edition where GW doesn't get any of my money. I already slowed considerably for 9th. I've got enough plastic crack that requires paint anyways.

Is there any way that by the time the datacards are available for purchase that they won't already be out of date?

Teatonev wrote:
Is there any way that by the time the datacards are available for purchase that they won't already be out of date?

eh, that was always going to be the case. its the inherit problem with physical cardstock, especially given the quarterly balance dataslates and the lead time for getting cards printed and shipped.

Also, i imgaine the teams that made these cards were both very small (in order to keep data form 10th leaking) and under significant time pressure (because capitalism). Its kinda inevitable that gak slip through.

Kale wrote:
Not happy with deathwatch, but at least they are just 'ravenous hoards' style get you by jobs. Remember how bland that was when WH changed editions?

Hopefully they will get a better set in the codex

Funny you should say that, as it's still remembered as the one time that Warhammer was most well balanced ^^. This does not seem to be the case now.

impossible to tell which ones are typos or intended changes, yet a problem is that if GW overreacts (like usual) and puts out a day 1 Errata to change things based on community wishes that were not typos in the first place, there is a good chance that the point costs won't match either
like if a unit is priced on the ability to ignore D1 weapons, it will be way too expansive if that is changed, while adding more attacks or damage to weapons will make those unit too cheap

Teatonev wrote:
Is there any way that by the time the datacards are available for purchase that they won't already be out of date?

looking at the pdf and those looking like a digital version of the original cards, which must have been printed months ago to be ready on release, they will be outdated before you can purchase them if those things are typos and we say a day 1 Errata

 Albertorius wrote:

Kale wrote:
Not happy with deathwatch, but at least they are just 'ravenous hoards' style get you by jobs. Remember how bland that was when WH changed editions?

Hopefully they will get a better set in the codex

Funny you should say that, as it's still remembered as the one time that Warhammer was most well balanced ^^. This does not seem to be the case now.

8th Indexhammer was NEVER balanced, why do people keep saying that?

non of those posts is about 8th Edi 40k Index