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I assume it will end up requiring the WH+ sub to use the army builder, and the codex purchase code to access any detachments from that.

GW also said with 9th that the App is always more up to date and take priority over other sources
people just ignored it (for reasons) so depending on the TOs if they give priority to the app or pdf+Errata

Voss wrote:
Not sure why predator variant weapons aren't here, nor why the Kratos has access to some of the additional sponson weapons, but Sicarans don't.

I'm not sure the people writing this had any idea what the miniatures can actually have.

I love how the default weaponry of the Relic Comtemptor - Heavy Plasma Cannons - aren't even on the Contemptor's datasheet.

[EDIT]: In fact, the Heavy Plasma Cannons are no where in the entire Index.

Not Online!!! wrote:
You can still feud with them, by tarnishing their works. Spite is a hell of a motivator.

The disdain is palpable.

those are Legends anyway, there for people who once bought those and have them on the shelf to know that they still have "value" and are not wasted money
not intended to be used in real games

 kodos wrote:
not intended to be used in real games

I do hope you're being facetious.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 kodos wrote:
not intended to be used in real games

I do hope you're being facetious.

REAL men ONLY play tournament games with no holds barred. If i'm not punching your throat as hard as possible, it isnt REAL 40k and you're hobbying wrong. Crusade and narrative are for ABSOLUTE CHUMPS. Time to get good and buy the FOTM undercosted unit, hope you already have 3 wraithknight, baby.

Dunno if anyone else has clocked it previous, but at least Darksphere (10% discount) and Element (RRP) have copies of Leviathan available for pre-order.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 kodos wrote:
not intended to be used in real games

I do hope you're being facetious.

you know I am

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dunno if anyone else has clocked it previous, but at least Darksphere (10% discount) and Element (RRP) have copies of Leviathan available for pre-order.

Makes sense that they have been pumping out quantities in the quiet week and a half odd since the preorder.

So the app either seems to be awful, or great. So to parse from this it is OK with the removal of bugs and introduction of some quality of life features it should be relatively decent in the long term?. Whether it is worth paying for in the future is a case of YMMV.

Mildly chuffed Chaos Cards, where I’m picking my copy up from on Saturday have it just under £125.

 kodos wrote:
GW also said with 9th that the App is always more up to date and take priority over other sources
people just ignored it (for reasons) so depending on the TOs if they give priority to the app or pdf+Errata

In theory - it wasn't up to date in practice. With things streamlined as they are now it should hopefully be easier for them to manage.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dunno if anyone else has clocked it previous, but at least Darksphere (10% discount) and Element (RRP) have copies of Leviathan available for pre-order.

The Outpost did have some up as well for £120 iirc,

What you won’t find in this download are units from the Adeptus Custodes and Knight Households. You can find their rules in the associated Imperial Armour compendiums, which will be released in the near future. Also coming soon are the datasheets for those non-Heresy-era units entering Legends.

Ah yes, my Heresy era Blood Slaughterers and Brass Scorpion, I bid you adieu

Boaring Action rules will be released tomorrow. Hopefully it's more than a 1 pager like the Crusade post which just says "buy the new crusade book"

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 kodos wrote:
GW also said with 9th that the App is always more up to date and take priority over other sources
people just ignored it (for reasons) so depending on the TOs if they give priority to the app or pdf+Errata

In theory - it wasn't up to date in practice. With things streamlined as they are now it should hopefully be easier for them to manage.

if I recall correctly it was the same as it was now, pre-launch there were difference between app and other sources and it was decided to ignore the app because this must be the ones with the mistakes
and than it was basically abandoned with the negative reviews at launch

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Clanan wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

It's a good thing newbies all know that and won't build their models in the way the rules encourage then, right?

I'm a noob trying out 10th as my first 40k foray, having only played a few AoS 2nd games. Honestly I'm relieved the units can just be built via the instructions. I was dreading having to research loadouts out of fear that I'd screw everything up without having rolled a single die. I also don't see WYSIWYG as an issue. If someone objects to my loadout not matching, I probably won't play with them much.

Not sure if serious...

...but just in case. I would suggest reading the core rules and researching loadouts if you want to play anything beyond Combat Patrol.

Totally serious. I can't wait to get some plastic dudes on the table! I'll be reading up on rules and such, just want to avoid the feelbad of messing everything up without even knowing it. But I can understand the change is a big step down in customization.

 Clanan wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Clanan wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

It's a good thing newbies all know that and won't build their models in the way the rules encourage then, right?

I'm a noob trying out 10th as my first 40k foray, having only played a few AoS 2nd games. Honestly I'm relieved the units can just be built via the instructions. I was dreading having to research loadouts out of fear that I'd screw everything up without having rolled a single die. I also don't see WYSIWYG as an issue. If someone objects to my loadout not matching, I probably won't play with them much.

Not sure if serious...

...but just in case. I would suggest reading the core rules and researching loadouts if you want to play anything beyond Combat Patrol.

Totally serious. I can't wait to get some plastic dudes on the table! I'll be reading up on rules and such, just want to avoid the feelbad of messing everything up without even knowing it. But I can understand the change is a big step down in customization.

well, now you can be happy since there is an even bigger trap just ready for you.

Not Online!!! wrote:


No, 40k ruleswriter team still feuding with the FW team probably.
Also they heard people wanted reduction and consolidation, especially of marines, which meant that CSM had clearly to many options.
.

What feud rulewriter has over miniature designer...

Rather look at marketing department. Margin on plastic far greater so op rules on plastra more profitable.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
i wonder if the indexes are more up to date or the app?
i noticed one difference on the krieg infantry entry.
the index lists the medipak with no actual way to equip it but the app doesnt even mention it.

So it begins.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dunno if anyone else has clocked it previous, but at least Darksphere (10% discount) and Element (RRP) have copies of Leviathan available for pre-order.

Makes sense that they have been pumping out quantities in the quiet week and a half odd since the preorder.

So the app either seems to be awful, or great. So to parse from this it is OK with the removal of bugs and introduction of some quality of life features it should be relatively decent in the long term?. Whether it is worth paying for in the future is a case of YMMV.

Uhhuh they haven't been doing more leviathan boxes. you don't do pile of them in short notice and this was 1 run and done.

Rather cancellations anyway. Those always happen and 10th looks to be divisive. Not surprising that people, especially tournament "competitive ones, cancel preorders.

Positively surprised by the new app, works much better on iPads now! Still forces you into portrait mode for some reason, but at least it doesn't need to be zoomed like the previous abomination.

I just can't build my list with this since it doesn't have the new legend entries.. include those in the app and you will have my subscription

Overall, I feel list building with this is faster and seems more fluent than with Battlescribe (which to be fair is developed for desktops in terms of UI)

For actually playing tho, I think I'll prefer a custom PDF made from all my datasheets, will be faster to use

tneva82 wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dunno if anyone else has clocked it previous, but at least Darksphere (10% discount) and Element (RRP) have copies of Leviathan available for pre-order.

Makes sense that they have been pumping out quantities in the quiet week and a half odd since the preorder.

So the app either seems to be awful, or great. So to parse from this it is OK with the removal of bugs and introduction of some quality of life features it should be relatively decent in the long term?. Whether it is worth paying for in the future is a case of YMMV.

Uhhuh they haven't been doing more leviathan boxes. you don't do pile of them in short notice and this was 1 run and done.

Rather cancellations anyway. Those always happen and 10th looks to be divisive. Not surprising that people, especially tournament "competitive ones, cancel preorders.

GW did say it was a 2 week window preorder and they are suggesting people to look into their stores this weekend... Would not be surprised if it was extra boxes allocated just for the 2nd week. Cancelations also is a possibility but Element has this new window open for a couple days and still not sold out... loads of cancelations does not seem right.
I dont know guys but after avoiding it like the plague I think this last minute window has sucked me in... oh noes

I think alot of people will have double or triple tapped on the box. I know I grabbed one from GW but was able to get one at discount from a FLGS, so after a few days cancelled the GW order. I can see quite a few people doing that especially given the recent issues with things like Killteam boxes.

I know I wound up with 2 erroneous charges because webpages were breaking down. So yes chances are more than a few people wound up with more boxes than they needed and cancelled them.

There's also the fact that many of these stores staggered their distribution of stock. Some on the day itself in doing waves of pre-orders and even holding stock back for physical release since not all their customers will be in the online world.

For GW there's also likely a sense of letting the dust settle and adjusting stock based on the actual sales rates and such.



So yep plenty of space for stores to have more material than was put up for pre-order.



I also expect an explosion of more material in trader groups and ebay to happen steadily over the next few days up to the weekend and into early next week. Which in theory will bring the prices down for a while. Tyranids I expect to go down fairly well on the big things, modest on the troops; Marines might have a more dulled curve because they are more popular by far, but still I'd expect a lowering in trader groups for a little bit then a steady/rapid rise as the stock gets bought up

With the WH Community post on the app mentioning that you can enter a code from the codex (codex code? cododex?) to unlock options on the app, I'm wondering if that will apply to ebooks too. I'm really unlikely to actually buy any dead tree books for this edition, apart from possibly the main rulebook.

The new 40K app is just very very very poor.

Compare it to other apps from other companies.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
With the WH Community post on the app mentioning that you can enter a code from the codex (codex code? cododex?) to unlock options on the app, I'm wondering if that will apply to ebooks too. I'm really unlikely to actually buy any dead tree books for this edition, apart from possibly the main rulebook.

Very unlikely, they have had the codes for a long while now for 40k and Age of Sigmar but no sign of ebooks returning.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
With the WH Community post on the app mentioning that you can enter a code from the codex (codex code? cododex?) to unlock options on the app, I'm wondering if that will apply to ebooks too. I'm really unlikely to actually buy any dead tree books for this edition, apart from possibly the main rulebook.

there are no ebooks, were already gone with last edition and are not returning for now

I really wish they hadn’t abandoned ebooks as I much preferred those. Wish I could just buy a digital app code online for cheap instead of being required to pay for the overpriced paper packaging the physical codes come in.

Sunno wrote:
The new 40K app is just very very very poor.

Compare it to other apps from other companies.

Are you comparing it to other companies apps in the niche on their launch day state though?

The new app is a little rough in some places and clearly didn't hire enough or listen to SQA, but it's a solid enough foundation if they don't just stall and call it done.

From the app
Courtesy to canhammer discord
Custodes FW weapons but with no infoon special rules: