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Remember that James Gunn is not running the DCU alone, so maybe he and Peter Safran can balance each other out.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Kanluwen wrote: The problem is that James Gunn is entirely the wrong person to be heading DC franchises. He can pay as much lip service as he wants, but he is entirely wrong for it.
I don't think Snyder's right for it either, but he's at least a better fit when he got to work unhindered.
Could you elaborate a little on why you think Gunn is a bad fit for his role, Kan?
I'm unsure either way, so I'm wondering why you appear so ardent about it.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
I think Gunn has a penchant for odd ball fringe characters. Which is good. Elevating the side bar weirdos to a major central and beloved role is great to get general audiences into the wider universe.
But what does he do with a Superman? With a Batman? With the Justice League?
Can you imagine a James Gunn Captain America movie? Avengers?
He isn't elevating weirdos to the forefront anymore. He has to establish the baseline foundation on which the entire thing will stand. Can he? We will see with that Superman movie he is writing and directing.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
I think he's a solid choice to co-lead DC Studios. He's not my choice to be the Superman writer & director though. As I said before, I wanted someone to come in and Matt Reeves the thing.
There are rumors that when Gunn was talking up having Ben Affleck direct something for them a few months back, the movie Affleck wanted was Superman: Legacy and not Brave & The Bold. That might have been interesting.
But if true, something clearly happened between Gunn & Affleck, because Affleck's recent comments about directing in Gunn's DCU couldn't be any clearer. (Never ever.)
Lance845 wrote: I think Gunn has a penchant for odd ball fringe characters. Which is good. Elevating the side bar weirdos to a major central and beloved role is great to get general audiences into the wider universe.
But what does he do with a Superman? With a Batman? With the Justice League?
Can you imagine a James Gunn Captain America movie? Avengers?
He isn't elevating weirdos to the forefront anymore. He has to establish the baseline foundation on which the entire thing will stand. Can he? We will see with that Superman movie he is writing and directing.
So, like, SuperDickery era Superman, where Jimmy Olsen gets the power to eat gorillas or something?
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
DC movies would solve a bunch of problems by just throwing money at Geoff Johns- Stargirl was an awesome TV adaptation, MUCH better than Arrowverse IMHO.
"Cold is the Emperor's way of telling us to burn more heretics."
DC movies would solve a bunch of problems by just throwing money at Geoff Johns- Stargirl was an awesome TV adaptation, MUCH better than Arrowverse IMHO.
I'm not sure what to think about Corenswet. He looks the part, but will he have the presence? I think Cavill really did have that component, where say Routh didn't.
Rachel Brosnahan as Lois seems like a home run hire though.
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I find it highly amusing they fired Cavill to replace him with an actor who looks exactly like Cavill. He doesn't even look that much younger. It's wild.
creeping-deth87 wrote: I find it highly amusing they fired Cavill to replace him with an actor who looks exactly like Cavill. He doesn't even look that much younger. It's wild.
Three thoughts on this:
1) It's some sort of personal. "We like everything about Cavill - except Cavill himself...."
2) They have said that the new movie will focus on a younger Superman.
Gunn has ALSO made the distinction that Cavill was not fired - he just wasn't hired for this movie.
So maybe they are aiming to avoid CGI de-aging Cavill. Practical effect vs FX.
3) Perhaps Cavill has something going on that just won't work with their production schedule.
I think there are two main reasons that the old DCEU actors are getting replaced.
The first is about compensation and availability. The plan per Gunn is for a 10-year-long grand, cohesive storyline with the same actors portraying the same roles through film, TV and animation. Cavill, Affleck, Gadot, Momoa, etc. are all earning serious cash these days. If they were to do a JL 2, it might cost them $100 million+ just to pay them all. Plus, they might want to do other things with their careers than DC movies. People often underestimate how big of a factor availability is in Hollywood. So what the studio needs are younger, hungrier actors willing to sign on for something like that at a more reasonable wage. Basically the Marvel plan.
The other is about making a clean break from Zack Snyder and the old DCEU. I get it. But I think it's also a real risk, as actors really matter. And I think the DCEU JL actors were pretty good in those roles when the material wasn't letting them down. And I really do believe that if they'd put Henry Cavill in a more traditional, positive Superman story that audiences would have responded. gak, there seemed to be more passion out there for Cavill's announcement about his return than there was for actual DC films like Black Adam, Shazam 2, and Flash. People love a comeback story.
BUT AGAIN, I think there are very practical reasons why that just isn't going to work for the plan that they've laid out. Is it the right plan, though? To me, that's the big question.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: Maybe they’re all sick of hearing about the Adeptus Custodes every minute the cameras aren’t rolling.
*IF* his 40K project ever gets off the ground, hopefully he retains some creative control. Because I feel like that dude probably spent half his time at his last two big gigs in conversations like "You want me to do what? But that's not how this character would......I mean, if you read the actual.......well, right but......oh god just never mind."
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I don’t think it’s so surprising that the new superman actor looks a lot like Cavill as they were both cast because they look like superman.
But the idea that it’s telling a younger superman’s story and casting a younger superman doesn’t entirely convince me. The new actor is 10 years younger than Cavill, and it’s not unusual for actors to play characters younger than they are, and more interesting is that Man of Steel was released 10 years ago, so at the time of filming Cavill was actually younger than the new “younger” superman actor.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Aash wrote: I don’t think it’s so surprising that the new superman actor looks a lot like Cavill as they were both cast because they look like superman.
But the idea that it’s telling a younger superman’s story and casting a younger superman doesn’t entirely convince me. The new actor is 10 years younger than Cavill, and it’s not unusual for actors to play characters younger than they are, and more interesting is that Man of Steel was released 10 years ago, so at the time of filming Cavill was actually younger than the new “younger” superman actor.
I assume its just that they want to get someone they can lock into a long term contract. Cavill has little reason not to charge them out the nose per film at this point.
Yeah, the price of the DCEU actors is a real issue for what they're trying to pull off. Momoa got like $15 mil for Aquaman, Gadot got $10 mil for WW2 and probably would have gotten more for WW3, Affleck is likely in the $15 mil range, Cavill was getting $1 mil/episode for Witcher and would probably be in 8 figures for a Superman film also.
Imagine what it would cost to get them all for another JL film, let alone the cost of all the little guest appearances and voice acting, etc that's part of the plan for the DCU. They need actors who will take very studio-friendly contracts.
Having said that, would a more standalone Superman film starring Cavill in a more positive, traditional Superman story have a chance to outearn a reboot with a new actor? I definitely think so...but the shared universe seems to be THE thing. Which to me feels a little like ignoring all the lessons they've learned over the past decade...?
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
