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Why would they redo Gargoyles? There are older plastic kits in the 'Nid line, and older kits that have yet to be made into plastic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would they redo Gargoyles? There are older plastic kits in the 'Nid line, and older kits that have yet to be made into plastic.

That’s never stopped them before. Plastic Eldar Guardians just got done and there’s still a tonne of finecast Aspect Warriors.

If they want to add a melee option it would likely necessitate a redo. Though they could just add the melee arm frame from the genestealers I suppose.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would they redo Gargoyles? There are older plastic kits in the 'Nid line, and older kits that have yet to be made into plastic.

Why should one exclude the other? Also there were rumours that said about the cc version = double kit for them. And do not forget that they said about the biggest upgrade for the Nids ever. At the end it may count for nothing but we are only speculating here for the fun of it

In the grand scheme of GW kits, Gargoyles are practically new. There are older plastic Tyranid kits (and non-plastic kits). If they could redo truly ancient plastics (Gaunts), old non-plastic kits (Biovores/Pyrovores) and create new Tyranid kits... why bother with something so (relatively) young.

 General Kroll wrote:
Plastic Eldar Guardians just got done and there’s still a tonne of finecast Aspect Warriors.

Eldar Guardians were one of the oldest plastic kits still in the range. They originate from early 3rd Edition. We're talking plastic Catachan levels of ancient. The only older things in the plastic range at this stage are Falcons, Vypers and Marine Bikes! And some parts of the Basilisk. And maybe Scouts?

Gargoyles are not that. Not even close.

So the updated Points PDF lists only Hierophant, Harridan and both Hierodules.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So the updated Points PDF lists only Hierophant, Harridan and both Hierodules.

At the moment it seems like the stuff in the Munitorum Manual is only the stuff that is 'appropriate' for competitive play, i.e. it lacks everything that is 'Legends'.

Malanthrope is probably going legends, and most likely so is the dimachaeron, hopefully with its role subsumed by the "Norn Emissary". We can only hope that shrikes and the like are released as new plastic units with the book.

I'm still holding out that the Malanthrope gets its own model one day from GW central.

And if not I'm still pleased I got a pair (including probably the last one from FW) as they are awesome models

The should have given the role of the Malantrophe to the Psychophage. The model looks perfect for it without any changes. Nothing about the model even hints at its anti-psyker capabilities. Such a giant missed opportunity. So annoying.

Acehilator wrote:
The should have given the role of the Malantrophe to the Psychophage. The model looks perfect for it without any changes. Nothing about the model even hints at its anti-psyker capabilities. Such a giant missed opportunity. So annoying.

Edit. nevermind, confused Neurothrope with PP. I need more tea

Acehilator wrote:
The should have given the role of the Malantrophe to the Psychophage. The model looks perfect for it without any changes. Nothing about the model even hints at its anti-psyker capabilities. Such a giant missed opportunity. So annoying.

What visual prompts would you be looking for in an anti-psyker? It's worth noting it likes to eat them to break them down for fuel, not that it is designed to hunt them was the impression I got. Feeder bug, not assassination bug.

Slowly starting my Hive Fleet.

Ordered a Haruspex and a Tyrannofex from GW, and picking up Leviathan tomorrow, with a side swap arranged.

Should give me plenty to get me started.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Slowly starting my Hive Fleet.

Ordered a Haruspex and a Tyrannofex from GW, and picking up Leviathan tomorrow, with a side swap arranged.

Should give me plenty to get me started.

Those are exactly the two I’ve been thinking of getting to join my hive fleet. I want a hive tyrant too, but think I’ll wait in case it gets redone.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Ordered a Haruspex and a Tyrannofex from GW, and picking up Leviathan tomorrow, with a side swap arranged.

And you also got ones that have next to none chances of being redone in the near future

Tyrannofex is there for the best firepower available to me. Provided I can shoot from stationary, I should be able to wallop tanks from across the board.

Haruspex because, well, I love them. Even though it’s currently drastically under costed (seriously. 125 points. What the hell are they in?) when it almost inevitably goes up in points? It’s still Well Fighty, and welcome in my list.

Especially if I give my army Lethal Hits against Monsters and Vehicles. Whilst not especially Boosty to the Shovelling Claws (though removing a step is always nice), it should help the many other attacks punch above its weight against Dreads etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tyrannofex is there for the best firepower available to me. Provided I can shoot from stationary, I should be able to wallop tanks from across the board.

Hopefully Codex will get him more than 2 shots for R cannon.

I’m not sure it needs it.

It packs such a punch at a pretty decent range. If I can deploy it somewhere with a solid LOS? Enemy armour isn’t going to sit in front of it twice.

FW stats https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/HgMmll6jheLNHIOm.pdf

Heirodules are a little lacklustre aren’t they. Was hoping their shooting would be a little more punchy as they make a great centre piece.

Overcosted and underpowered.

We get it GW, you didn't create them. FW did. Stop treating them like unwanted step-children.

The only good thing is that our big bugs have high S in cc. Their shooting weapons are a joke compared to other units like that. S9 or S10 for something that supposed to be a super heavy and titan equivalent?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
The only good thing is that our big bugs have high S in cc. Their shooting weapons are a joke compared to other units like that. S9 or S10 for something that supposed to be a super heavy and titan equivalent?

When you're using 8th Edition books at your reference point, S9 and S10 is awesome! Wounds Land Raiders on 3's and even 2's!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
The only good thing is that our big bugs have high S in cc. Their shooting weapons are a joke compared to other units like that. S9 or S10 for something that supposed to be a super heavy and titan equivalent?

When you're using 8th Edition books at your reference point, S9 and S10 is awesome! Wounds Land Raiders on 3's and even 2's!!!

I bet they loved 8th so much that they copy pasted them into 10th

I'd love to see fresh hornagaunts, even if I already have all the ones I need. New genestealers though, that would be a treat.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'd love to see fresh hornagaunts, even if I already have all the ones I need. New genestealers though, that would be a treat.

Since we're getting a modern take on the Huggyfex I wouldn't mind seeing new Hormagaunts that are true to their 2nd ed incarnation. But in plastic, and with less snaptastic poses than Hormagaunts traditionally have.

I just want them to have bigger more stable bases.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
The only good thing is that our big bugs have high S in cc. Their shooting weapons are a joke compared to other units like that. S9 or S10 for something that supposed to be a super heavy and titan equivalent?

Nids have never really been noted for potent ranged weapons though. Plenty to threaten infantry, but even going back to 2nd Ed, the Venom Cannon wasn’t great.

Zoanthropes used to be our “reliable” anti-tank.

9th edition had a lot of strong guns. 8th edition had Exocrines and Hive Guard.

Even in 5th and 6th Hive Guard were a must have.

Although when it comes to FW stuff the issue is that they are old as feth kits with no options.

I would love a modernized version in which you could change the weapons for either melee or titanic versions of the Tyrannofex weapons.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
The only good thing is that our big bugs have high S in cc. Their shooting weapons are a joke compared to other units like that. S9 or S10 for something that supposed to be a super heavy and titan equivalent?

Nids have never really been noted for potent ranged weapons though. Plenty to threaten infantry, but even going back to 2nd Ed, the Venom Cannon wasn’t great.

Zoanthropes used to be our “reliable” anti-tank.

So you compare weapons (Venom Cannon) held by Warriors, Tyrant or Carnifex to that of super heavy/titan class monsters? I do not say that they should be Volcanos all but now even Sentinel has S12 (Lascannon) where out titan has S10.