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Breotan wrote: People in this thread are suggesting some seriously low prices for this.
I set my expectations based on similar sized releases that GW has done previously; the Aeronautica boxed sets. Using that as a guide, this box set should be priced at £60/$100.
The wildcard is how much of that price was due to the Aeronautica bases. In theory these thinner bases could shave a bit off the price.
That's because a significant factor in GW product pricing is the expected future sales*. A mid-sized model kit might cost them something like (for example) £20,000 to develop and produce, but the actual raw plastic material costs almost nothing. Literally pennies per kit. If during the lifetime of a mold it sells 5,000 units it will be substantially less profitable than another kit of the same size selling 30,000 units.
The situations for Epic & AI are quite different. AI is much like Necromunda and other skirmish games, where a customer grabs 1-2 boxes of models and has everything they need to play that game. There's little reason for anyone to pick up 4+ boxes of Goliath gangers unless they're doing some very niche conversions for a 40k army. GW expected to sell fairly low volumes of skirmish models like Aeronautica, so they sell them at a premium.
Epic is a very different scenario. Firstly you have the 'heresy effect' where all players can potentially buy most of the same models. Starting out my collection with space marines doesn't lock me out of using solar auxillia or mechanicum kits at the same time. That massively increases the potential that GW will sell more copies of each kit, and that the investment in that kit becomes more profitable.
Epic is also pretty open-ended in terms of sales. Players need much more than 1-2 boxes of models to complete an army, so there's an incentive for GW (slightly) reduce the cost of entry. They did that with 28mm HH by changing the existing core troops from a £30 box of ten to a £50 box of twenty. This Epic fire support box seems to be a similar idea of selling in 'bulk'.
Thank you for attending my Plastic Space Man Economics ted talk.
*There's been plenty of examples of this in action, with the most clearly obvious being the 28mm Rhino variants.Not long ago the classic space marine rhino was selling for £30. The Sisters Rhino with shared sprues and the same overall amount of plastic released at £35, partly because it's a newer kit and partly because they will definitely expect to sell fewer Sisters rhinos that space marine ones.
However when the HH deimos rhino showed up last year, it bucked the trend and released at £28. That's partly because between the 'heresy effect' above, plus the kit having shared sprues with other HH vehicles.
Well, I guess the counterargument there is that LI boxes are also likely not going to sell like 40K, AoS, etc kits. Some folks are praising GW for being cautious and conservative with LI, but that conservatism may also mean higher pricing. Pricing is kind of an art form, but you're probably going to keep prices on the higher side if you're being conservative about how many units you're going to produce and sell.
Let's also consider the target customers are almost certainly a more veteran group. GW certainly isn't shying away from the nostalgia angle. And they're marketing it during a 40K edition launch, which suggests they don't see LI as some kind of near-core game, nor something that will directly compete with 40K for customers' hard-earned dollars.
I dunno....GW could surprise me, but when I add this all up it suggests premium pricing rather than price breaks.
Breotan wrote: People in this thread are suggesting some seriously low prices for this.
I set my expectations based on similar sized releases that GW has done previously; the Aeronautica boxed sets. Using that as a guide, this box set should be priced at £60/$100.
The wildcard is how much of that price was due to the Aeronautica bases. In theory these thinner bases could shave a bit off the price.
That's because a significant factor in GW product pricing is the expected future sales*. A mid-sized model kit might cost them something like (for example) £20,000 to develop and produce, but the actual raw plastic material costs almost nothing. Literally pennies per kit. If during the lifetime of a mold it sells 5,000 units it will be substantially less profitable than another kit of the same size selling 30,000 units.
The situations for Epic & AI are quite different. AI is much like Necromunda and other skirmish games, where a customer grabs 1-2 boxes of models and has everything they need to play that game. There's little reason for anyone to pick up 4+ boxes of Goliath gangers unless they're doing some very niche conversions for a 40k army. GW expected to sell fairly low volumes of skirmish models like Aeronautica, so they sell them at a premium.
Epic is a very different scenario. Firstly you have the 'heresy effect' where all players can potentially buy most of the same models. Starting out my collection with space marines doesn't lock me out of using solar auxillia or mechanicum kits at the same time. That massively increases the potential that GW will sell more copies of each kit, and that the investment in that kit becomes more profitable.
Epic is also pretty open-ended in terms of sales. Players need much more than 1-2 boxes of models to complete an army, so there's an incentive for GW (slightly) reduce the cost of entry. They did that with 28mm HH by changing the existing core troops from a £30 box of ten to a £50 box of twenty. This Epic fire support box seems to be a similar idea of selling in 'bulk'.
Thank you for attending my Plastic Space Man Economics ted talk.
*There's been plenty of examples of this in action, with the most clearly obvious being the 28mm Rhino variants.Not long ago the classic space marine rhino was selling for £30. The Sisters Rhino with shared sprues and the same overall amount of plastic released at £35, partly because it's a newer kit and partly because they will definitely expect to sell fewer Sisters rhinos that space marine ones.
However when the HH deimos rhino showed up last year, it bucked the trend and released at £28. That's partly because between the 'heresy effect' above, plus the kit having shared sprues with other HH vehicles.
Well, I guess the counterargument there is that LI boxes are also likely not going to sell like 40K, AoS, etc kits. Some folks are praising GW for being cautious and conservative with LI, but that conservatism may also mean higher pricing. Pricing is kind of an art form, but you're probably going to keep prices on the higher side if you're being conservative about how many units you're going to produce and sell.
Let's also consider the target customers are almost certainly a more veteran group. GW certainly isn't shying away from the nostalgia angle. And they're marketing it during a 40K edition launch, which suggests they don't see LI as some kind of near-core game, nor something that will directly compete with 40K for customers' hard-earned dollars.
I dunno....GW could surprise me, but when I add this all up it suggests premium pricing rather than price breaks.
When I made my £60/$100 price projection, I was referring to the Legiones Astartes Support box, not boxed sets of individual units. For those I'd expect to see pricing around or slightly less than similar AI boxes. An argument can be made that AI players didn't need that many units so I suppose a higher price point was warranted. We'll have to wait for the stock lists to be posted before we'll know for sure.
Andrew1975 wrote: The new models look great and I'd say getting that kind of detail from a 3d printer would be difficult, not so much from a printing stand point, but finding someone do design the sculpts as nice and detailed at that scale. A lot of (but not all) the Epic scale STLs you can find on line are about as detailed as the old second edition stuff. There are some really well detailed vehicle STLs, but Im not sure I've seen dreadnoughts that detailed. Plus small fiddely bits like dreadnought arms can be a pain to remove from supports. So it could certainly be worth buying these instead of printing them depending on the price.
I've got not-Contemptors that I'd rate as equal to those, and with a few minutes of extra effort I put Chapter markings on my not-Contemptors before printing them. Not sure if there's good Epic scale Leviathans and Deredeos though.
I reckon the Galactic Crusader models match up pretty well with the new plastics.
Most of the vehicles I have are similar level of detail, but the GW plastics have rivet detail which adds an extra level.... that said, many of my tanks I manually added a bunch of rivets myself before printing them. The tracks on most of my 3D prints are actually more detailed than the GW models, but printing/voxel lines are hard to avoid on tanks where there's lots of flat surfaces that have different alignments.
Those new walkers look sufficiently big that you just scale a 32mm scale STL and print teeny versions of those. those particular dreads have limited fiddly bits anyway, so should scale down well.
Fair point on the support fiddliness, but you could print an awful lot of them on a single build plate, and just accept some wastage. Any mist-prints can then just become basing fodder for the Titans
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Estimated Price:
16 units in the box. When you roughly count two models to be equivalent to a single 40K model you have eight minis. So I would guess the price range will be around 40 Euros.
Lack of Land Raiders:
A normal GW blunder. Reminds me a lot of Bookromunda.
CAF discrepancy:
CAF values of 2nd Space Marine were:
So the value is too low for the Terminators. If I remember correctly even Ogryns had a score of +6 back in the day.
Titans damage tables:
I don´t expect them to be present in the game. Such a feature is most likely to be sacrificed on the unholy altar of "streamlined gaming".
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vadersson wrote: I did a bit of calculation work. Based on the potentially fake data posted on paste bin and the contents of the starter and the support box I calculated the following points.
Starter Box: 1737.5 points.
Support box: 276 points.
A couple comments. I think that this shows that weapons for things like Titans and potentially tanks likely impact points. I would expect at least the starter to have a nice round number like 2000 points.
I also have some errors due to some detachments shown as alternatives for add on squads like adding 2 assault squads to a tactical detachment vs a 4 squad detachment. I might clean up my calls later.
For the support box, I also expect different weapons affect the cost as it would likely be around 300 points.
Also, I believe some of the articles said games would likely be around 3000 points,
Again, take that all with a grain of salt.
GW launch/starter sets are for X amount of money worth at certain discount. Points don't matter much and in case of 2 armies the armies aren't even nearly same points like ever. AOS3 box had something like 1300 sigmarines vs 1000 and odd kruleboyz, leviathan was about 1000 vs 800 etc.
Nice round numbers is not GW's priority for these.
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leopard wrote: should start to see the pre-order prices for retailers reasonably soon
Leak or actual data? Actual official price comes monday after preorders are announced in whatever sunday. That's still not happened. Until that happens retailers are in just as big mystery as you and me.
If stating the bleeding obvious in a hastily written, even more hastily proofread few paragraphs is 'make some good points' then, yeah, I suppose. Every time I click on a link to that place I'm disappointed. In them, and myself.
Yeah spikybits have zero value to offer. They are just clickbaits for cash. Trash in, hoping people are silly enough to click for ad profits.
At least if you click post text so others don't make mistake of clicking clickbait link
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H.B.M.C. wrote: They're very pretty, but I think most've us would prefer plastic 30k scale versions...
I would hope that this is indicative of what will be coming in plastic for 30k scale.
lord_blackfang wrote: Looking good.
I would guess the price of the regular 6 plane AI box.
Which may or may not be prohibitive depending on game size, I dunno
I believe thats also the same price point as a Necromunda gang and a blood bowl team. It seems to be the standard price point for the "average" sized specialist games product boxes. I think it used to be ~$42 USD, possibly gone up to $50USD now? I believe Warhound titans (but not Reavers or any of the other AT kits) are at the same price point as well.
lord_blackfang wrote: Looking good.
I would guess the price of the regular 6 plane AI box.
Which may or may not be prohibitive depending on game size, I dunno
This. I concur.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: True, true.
I can foresee Element getting a significant slice of my August pay all the same 😂😂
So far I can see myself buying 2 boxes of each release they've announced for the game, minimum. And thats just to start. If my community follows through on their pledges to actually play the game, I can see myself investing much more heavily into it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: They're very pretty, but I think most've us would prefer plastic 30k scale versions...
Nah, I'm good, 30k makes much more sense at Epic scale for me.
And it's not like making a 32mm scale model is equivalent to doing it 8mm scale, the resources required for the former dwarf the latter.
Agreed. For me, this also solves a crucial problem - what legion should I play. Collecting a bunch of different legions in epic scale is way more affordable than 30k.
Nils wrote: I would be OK with a price around £30 for a box like that. Of course I'm hoping for a lower price but I don't think it's very likely.
It'll need to be a lot lower if they want it to pick up in the US. A 30£ (38.62$) aeronautica box, is 50$ over here, which is nearly 40£s. Titanicus is even worse. The knight castigator/acheron box (since that's the ony one lest on the US site) is 75, which is 58£. The difference in US and British prices are getting wider every time, and I can't foresee epic picking up over here well without it. Aeronautica certainly didn't, and most people I know who play titanicus mainly bought the starter set, maybe an extra warhound or reaver. Necromunda boxes being 60$ has been an issue I've seen some mention as well. Necromunda luckily was already entrentched and you only really need a single box+books.
The pound has been recovering against the dollar for the past year or so, forecasting expects it to return to its pre-covid high which would put a 30GBP box at about $42+ USD. You have to remember the US prices build in the cost of transatlantic logistics and overhead, so our prices will never exactly match the UK prices.
Personally, I think the price point is fine for the US market, especially with inflation being what it is, it will come across as a steal.
The new models look great and I'd say getting that kind of detail from a 3d printer would be difficult, not so much from a printing stand point, but finding someone do design the sculpts as nice and detailed at that scale. A lot of (but not all) the Epic scale STLs you can find on line are about as detailed as the old second edition stuff. There are some really well detailed vehicle STLs, but Im not sure I've seen dreadnoughts that detailed. Plus small fiddely bits like dreadnought arms can be a pain to remove from supports. So it could certainly be worth buying these instead of printing them depending on the price.
If I may. The reason for that is GWs sculptors and engineers know exactly what their design tolerances and capabilities are, and can design down to that minimum specification. 3D sculptors don't, because 3D printing is a good bit more finicky and tolerances vary between XY and Z axes and are also impacted by how the designs are plated for print (i.e. the angle of the sculpt relative to the XY and Z axes). On top of that, tolerances vary from printer to printer. A Phrozen Mighty 12k and an Anycubic Photon Mono will give you two different results in output. Point is, its not so much that you can't do this with STLs and 3D printing, its just that the nature of the technology and the "industry" behind it makes it less likely to happen anytime soon. There will probably be a "3D printing singularity" point where common consumer grade printers have reached a point of accuracy and resolution that you can no longer see improvement in quality with the naked eye, I.E. like 16K or 32k printers or something, where the next step up looks no different from the step before it, and sculptors can basically design to that standard with the realistic expectation that 98% of their customers will be able to print to that level. But today is not that day.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Wonder if we’ll see Drop Pods done the old way?
Take your Drop Pod Counters you nominated to arrive that turn. Put them on a blaster marker.
Hold Blast marker 30cm above the board. Tip it.
Where the tokens land, the Drop Pods land…
That's the only proper way to do it, in my mind.
OMG.
Thats so dumb. I love it and I'm sad that it probably won't be done that way because it goes against the principles of modern game design and the expectations of the majority of their likely audience.
Its not that people don't like paying for rules. They don't like to pay for a trickle of rules that come out multiple times a quarter, adding cost and confusion to what the rules actually are. It one of the reasons I'm looking forward to 10th edition where supposedly the rules will be democratized and easily available (not holding breath on that) Who could keep up with all the rules for 9th just for their own army/armies much less everyone elses. "Oh well this rule and this stratagem came out last week in the special $200 siege of fuctavious box that had nothing to do with your faction, but you still should know about it!" WTFGW!
I think its less about cost and more about just the bulk of it. I don't want to carry a small library with me to my local store to get a game in. GW has been a bit better about it as of late as they have been fairly regularly releasing compilation books to reduce your book count, but then the cost frustration sets in because inevitably they have edited the rules of the compliation books for balance, etc. which means the individual books you've purchased as they were released are out of date and you *need* to replace them with the compilation. Either way, I agree that they need to cut it out and either find a better format to release physical rules or do something consumer friendly and move to a digital rules platform.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
This game will thrive or fail based almost solely on price. I expect most will grab the starter for the rules but after that.... Well I litterally have hundreds of free stl files. So easy to get and at that scale dosent matter if they look slightly different. Once painted you won't be able to tell easily.
If the price is right I would like to support the game if not then I'll print proxys and play with friends.
If they get the pricing right I think this could be big.
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Pacific wrote: Breotan - you really think £60/$100 for that support box? If so, the game will be DOA.
I could easily be wrong for using Aeronautica as my basis for comparison, but these models are a lot larger than you think, and they're multi-part as well. I would be shocked if this box were less than £40 because that would mean they waaaaaaaaay overcharged for Aeronautica stuff.
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The Warlord is a poor choice for those of us who prefer skirmish-level games. The largest titan in our collection is a Warbringer and only too happy to leave it there.
GW is gonna charge whatever they think the market can bare, thats about how much thought they put into it. There is no math to it. They will either be wrong or right. The three factors are, will it be good, will it be supported and will they price it right.
The rules so far are an unknown, but historically epic hasn't been great since 2nd. Although I did like aspects of some of the later verions
Supported, again unkown, I would say looks sort of promising, but I don't have high hope looking at the past of most non 40k games.
Price, I apparently can't judge that at all, I thought GW priced themselves out of existence long ago, but they constantly prove me wrong as far as some games go ( I thought Leviathan and HH box were expensive but a pretty decent deal considering it was a GW product.....luckily I have tons of Amazon points to cash in), but I think AT and IA were seriously hampered by pricing. When Epic 40k came out pricing skyrocketed, average Vehicles went from like 3 for $8 to 3 for $24, Falcons went from plastic to metal and cost about 1000% more combined with what I considered an inferior game....I was out.
These vehicles do look much bigger though than old epic. Those dreadys Absolutly dwarf the old ones and are much better looking. Really those almost have the detail of a full HH dready.
The Warlord is a poor choice for those of us who prefer skirmish-level games. The largest titan in our collection is a Warbringer and only too happy to leave it there.
I agree that two Warlords is too much, but one should be a minimum if the game is designed properly, its pretty much the poster boy of the game.
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Price-wise, I'm predicting around the cost of a Necromunda box or Blood Bowl team. Similar numbers of figures (slightly more for LI), but the same "one sprue x2" setup.
Pacific wrote: Breotan - you really think £60/$100 for that support box? If so, the game will be DOA.
I could easily be wrong for using Aeronautica as my basis for comparison, but these models are a lot larger than you think, and they're multi-part as well. I would be shocked if this box were less than £40 because that would mean they waaaaaaaaay overcharged for Aeronautica stuff.
Well, they did overcharge for Aeronautica, but not in the normal way. We have to remember that Aeronautica only required 4-8 planes for a normal game. You didn't need dozens of miniatures. So the price per box was slightly elevated to account for the fact that you'd only really need to buy a couple of boxes.
Epic is different. You need more units. They could reduce the price per box compared to Aeronautica on the basis that you'd probably need a few boxes of stuff to get a X thousand point army.
Again it’s all gonna tie into how many points we’re talking.
If the game “works best” at 3,000 points, and each of those boxes is £45 for around 500 points? That’s a different consideration for 4,000 point games where each box is £45 for around 300 points.
No I’m not presenting either as Good Pricing nor trying to say what that might look like. It’s just an example.
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Andrew1975 wrote: GW is gonna charge whatever they think the market can bare, thats about how much thought they put into it. There is no math to it. They will either be wrong or right.
It's this kind of take that makes price speculation in these forums so pointless.
Yes, what the market can *bear* is part of the calculus involved, but there are actually many other factors. It is indeed someone's job to not just figure out what they can charge for a product, but also what they need to charge for a product to make it worth producing in the first place.
If you want to learn more about how to price a product there are plenty of resources out there. With a little effort you could educate yourself and come to more accurate conclusions and engage in productive discussion.
If you just want to make wild guesses about what the price will be, and then get mad about it, I guess that's what the Internet is for.
I know GW doesn't really seem to convey understanding of this, but if aggressively priced, I know a good number of players would go very hard at a game where, aesthetically it looks like you've got a bunch of new stuff for your collection with every box purchased. To the post above mine, buyer psychology and "perceived value" is a huge factor, albeit hard to quantify.
My "wish" price for the above Dreads box, would be $40. I would impulse buy random LI boxes at that price.
I expect they'll be $50, and while I wouldn't hate that, I would be more measured.
I worry they'll be $60+ which will price this game right out of my local community.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: For clarity? When people are mentioning their price brackets, are those before or after online discount?
In my case, MSRP, because as we have witnessed, GW will gladly murder 3rd party seller margins to a degree where who knows how long meaningful discounts will even exist!
I will be visiting England in September from the US. Should I wait to buy stuff in England at a store or buy it here in America? I am not sure how prices differ from the currency exchange rate.
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I will be visiting England in September from the US. Should I wait to buy stuff in England at a store or buy it here in America? I am not sure how prices differ from the currency exchange rate.
It is generally cheaper to buy in the UK that way, but you might have trouble getting exactly what you want if initial stocks are low.
Andrew1975 wrote: GW is gonna charge whatever they think the market can bare, thats about how much thought they put into it. There is no math to it. They will either be wrong or right.
It's this kind of take that makes price speculation in these forums so pointless.
Yes, what the market can *bear* is part of the calculus involved, but there are actually many other factors. It is indeed someone's job to not just figure out what they can charge for a product, but also what they need to charge for a product to make it worth producing in the first place.
If you want to learn more about how to price a product there are plenty of resources out there. With a little effort you could educate yourself and come to more accurate conclusions and engage in productive discussion.
If you just want to make wild guesses about what the price will be, and then get mad about it, I guess that's what the Internet is for.
Not really, you can do whatever calculus you want. GWs pricing on things makes little rhyme or reason beyond they charge the most they think they can. You can compare dissimilar boxes from dissimilar games all you want, base it on points base it on models, base it on popularity of certain models. GW of course takes these things into account to figure out what they think is the maximum they can charge and sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong and sometimes I swear they throw all the research out the window and just go for it! But please don't act like they have a scientist who gets it right every time. GW is going to charge as much as they think they can charge! Speculating on price like much of the information we dont have about the game is like rocking a chair back and forth, a lot of movement but it don't get you anywhere.
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Generally, we in the UK enjoy more favourable pricing because we aren’t subject to odd currency conversion rates.
However, whilst we have Warhammer Stores aplenty, we don’t have anything like the number of FLGS. So if you’re hoping to score a double saving and buy at a discount? It’ll depend exactly where you’re visiting, for how long and what on-shelf stock is going to be like.
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I will be visiting England in September from the US. Should I wait to buy stuff in England at a store or buy it here in America? I am not sure how prices differ from the currency exchange rate.
Without wanting to go off topic, if you happen to be visiting London, the Warhammer store on Tottenham Court Road is specifically set up for this. You can order in store using UK prices, get it delivered to a US address from the Memphis warehouse, with free shipping and without paying tax. It can work out much cheaper.
I've done this a few times and they've told me they're the only store set up to do this kind of order. It's a bit of a manual process for them (involving emailing warehouses), but they are well versed in the process.
A good opportunity to go crazy for LI.
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I will be visiting England in September from the US. Should I wait to buy stuff in England at a store or buy it here in America? I am not sure how prices differ from the currency exchange rate.
Without wanting to go off topic, if you happen to be visiting London, the Warhammer store on Tottenham Court Road is specifically set up for this. You can order in store using UK prices, get it delivered to a US address from the Memphis warehouse, with free shipping and without paying tax. It works out much cheaper. I've saved over 1/3rd on US prices, pre-tax too.
I've done this a few times and they've told me they're the only store set up to do this kind of order. It's a bit of a manual process for them (involving emailing warehouses), but they are well versed in the process.
A good opportunity to go crazy for LI.
Yeah, don't lug too much of that stuff in your travel baggage, if you're not careful with your travel allowances you might be hit with all sorts of import taxes and fines. Check up with your customs authority or other government sources on how that works, and how high your personal exemptions are, if you do not go the way described above.
Now we have a clearer idea of what a given purchase will offer (multiple units on a single sprue), it does make me encouraged we may well see this expanded to cover Xenos forces. Because it’s suggestive of each force not needing many SKU’s, reducing development cost and time.
You could even do “eras” boxed sets. For instance, when introducing Orks? Rejig the Imperial Forces for “historical accuracy” and do it as War of the Beast. Tyranids? Hive Fleet Behemoth. Necrons? Pariah Nexus. Eldar? Look just do them OK.
Lots of ways that Xenos can be drip fed. Definitely start with Orks though. Orks rule, have some gorgeous, extant big units, and who wouldnt want to play out Ullanor?
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Now we have a clearer idea of what a given purchase will offer (multiple units on a single sprue), it does make me encouraged we may well see this expanded to cover Xenos forces. Because it’s suggestive of each force not needing many SKU’s, reducing development cost and time.
So far we have only seen how the plastic side of things works out -.it will be interesting to see how the resin units come into the picture, and what is relegated to resin. It seems like we'll get a good stock of basic units in plastic before anything else, which is a big plus.
MDG, I hope you are wrong about the miniature count and the army being that small (thus warranting a very high box price), because that .. well, that won't be Epic.
Also, they have said explicitly that this game is Heresy-era only. They might well expand to the GC if Legions Imperialis sells well but you have to think that would be years away. So for now, if you want to do that, you'd need to take off the water wings and go for either NetEpic or NetArmageddon.
Cadre Coronal Afterglow w1;d0;l0 
11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
3730 Total (210pts painted) 
