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Hope they do an Xmas special box for this...but doubt it...too soon I guess?

chaos0xomega wrote:
So basically the box contains about twice as many points as you are actually able to field in a standard size nu-epic game. Standard size is 3k, allies can be up to 30% of your points, which means you cap at 900 unless you play a much larger game.

Yeah you can never field more than 2 of those models at 3k as allies (and only 1 if the Warlord), which is why I expect this hints that they will indeed make Titans a full force option at some point, but also would not surprise me if they wait until release of Mechanicum forces so they have fitting infantry to mix in to do so. Unless the leaked cost for Warhounds is for a pair instead of one, which is quite possible considering how they have already shown an approach in LI that gives discounts for multiples, in which case you could run them and the Reaver at 3k.

 ikeulhu wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
When combined with the two warhounds already in the LI starter, I'm curious how many points that will be?

1,675 if the leaks are right.

2335 if you include the Warhounds from the starter, 1675 would be the force in just that box.

Yeah - I'm assuming "Warhound Hunting Pack" is a pair of them, but it is only "Detachment Size 1"...

There's this other game that lets you play Titan battles...

Seriously though, those AT boxes always sold very well. Makes perfect sense that they'd want to bring those back for that market AND provide LI players a chance to get a nice range of Titans for their collection.

beast_gts wrote:

Yeah - I'm assuming "Warhound Hunting Pack" is a pair of them, but it is only "Detachment Size 1"...

Yeah it is a bit ambiguous and I was going with 330 for 1 instead since that is more comparable to existing scores (Warhounds in AT are in the 280-330 area before heavy upgrades whereas Reavers are upper 300 to mid 400s). There is a chance that score is for a pair, however, if they are significantly reducing costs for Warhounds to incentivize and differentiate their use in LI compared to AT.

Been awhile since I have played and I also run corrupted Warhounds so those single costs were a bit high for standard hounds after I actually looked up points again, which does make the 330 bit more likely for a pair cost, although that would still be a discount compared to AT when relatively comparing to Hound vs Reaver costs.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Do we know Titan Legions have no list of their own in LI?

GW has stated marines and Solar Auxilia only at launch, though other factions could arrive later.

As has already been noted, this box is perfectly serviceable with AT. However, it's now officially dual-use (unlike the AT starter, which has the AT rulebook), and the new rule is probably that all dual-use stuff gets the LI logo on the box.

beast_gts wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
When combined with the two warhounds already in the LI starter, I'm curious how many points that will be?

1,675 if the leaks are right.


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tneva82 wrote:
When has gw removed full price kits and keep just discount box?

When they doubled the size of Marine & Stormcast boxes, and some of the Start Collecting boxes.

So what is available only in start collecting etc that was available in solo box but not any more?

beast_gts wrote:

Yeah - I'm assuming "Warhound Hunting Pack" is a pair of them, but it is only "Detachment Size 1"...

Yeah it is a bit ambiguous and I was going with 330 for 1 instead since that is more comparable to existing scores (Warhounds in AT are in the lower 200s before heavy upgrades whereas Reavers are a bit over 300 to over 400 with upgrades). There is a chance that score is for a pair, however, if they are significantly reducing costs for Warhounds to incentivize and differentiate their use in LI compared to AT.

Been awhile since I have played and I also run corrupted Titans (especially the Hounds, those things are so corrupted they cost more than a standard Reaver) so those single costs I initially posted were a bit high for standard Titans after I actually looked up points again, which does make the 330 bit more likely for a pair cost, although that would still be a discount compared to AT when relatively comparing to Hound vs Reaver costs. It would also allow one to run the Reaver and the Hound pair from that box if at 3k as allies at 330 for a pair, so that is another nod that GW may indeed go in that direction.

Weird, apologize for the odd double post, thats what I get for trying to post in the middle of work

tneva82 wrote:
So what is available only in start collecting etc that was available in solo box but not any more?

Seraphon Carnosaur is the one I was thinking of - was only in the Start Collecting box but back now that's been replaced by a Vanguard box.

Not equilavent. From discount box to discount box. Not solo to discount with no solo kit.

@ikeulhu: non-corrupted AT Warhounds in AT are ~220 while Reavers are a tad over 300 depending on weapons. That's still a pretty meaningless comparison, different games and all that. Anyhoo.

The new rehashed discount boxes are nice. I highly doubt they herald anything new about any factions or rules, being simply easy packs of varied stuff for non-AT players to widen their choices as well as a nice product for AT players. Not everything needs to be playable at once in every game.

Also those are just limited splash. Basically just bit of advertisiment to get more interest in games with li being around.

They’ve not said either way in the article.

I’d presume splash release though, if only out of caution if you’re thinking of picking one or more up.

Community guys later said limited.

Can hope wrong but once a splash release, no reason to doubt either.

My only complaint is there doesn't seem to be the new Warhound weapons sprue. Otherwise yay, discounted AT!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
My only complaint is there doesn't seem to be the new Warhound weapons sprue. Otherwise yay, discounted AT!

No, they want to push the LI starter. The extra weapon sprue may later be available on the website, or they may rerelease the individual titan boxes with the extra weapons sprues included and a price bump like they rereleased the russ and baneblade

I think a bigger gripe is that, once again, a big box set with a warlord titan in it only includes the weapon sprue with the missile pods and volcano cannons. If only GW would switch it up and include the sprue with the power claw instead.

I'm mostly uninterested because I really don't need another 2 Warhounds, especially since the LI starter will also have another 2 Warhounds in it

I'd love a "big boys" pack with a Warmaster, Warlord and maybe a Reaver.

Was there no WD support planned? Normally the mag is made somewhere between 3-6 months prior to distribution. This means that pivoting and replacing material is extremely difficult. Yet I've not seen anything related to LI in recent issues and even the teaser for the upcoming issue has nothing.

Either they replaced all that material, which seems like it would be expensive, or they never had it. At this point, I honestly wonder which is correct.

WD are printed 8 to 9 Weeks before the issues goes into the sell.

Maybe in the next issue. There could be WD Rules to play Titan and Knight House Armies.

I suspect regardless this is costing a pretty penny, which makes it all the more curious

Even 8 to 9 weeks would be on the long side, ive been told numbers half that. It wouldn't be the first time GW scratches and binned white dwarf articles at the last minute, they did thecsame with the adeptus totanicus launch announcement in ~April 2017 when they decided at the last minute to launch the game in plastic.

Is that actually true or is it internet whispers?

True. James Hewitt has stated that AT was designed with a smaller fully resin game in mind, but it got a lift from specialist games doing pretty well generally and got plastic production slots instead.

Yep, he also was the one who told us that they had to call up the printers the day the next issue of WD went to publication and tell them to pull it.

I think the very nature of magazine publication is that articles sometimes need to get shifted last minute. Even for something like White Dwarf which is an in-house publication, they will almost certainly have a supply of material that they will be able to sub in last minute, given a few late nights by the staff.

The WD is printed by Warners Midlands PLC.

Flyers...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/09/04/bad-altitude-how-aircraft-work-in-legions-imperialis/

How do units get out of flying transports, did I miss it or forget from previous article?
Otherwise they not bad considering.

Hover, probably. If not then like a bombing run (aka grav-chute drop).