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Split between people hating it or breezy fun ride.

At this point you never know what these people even expect. Pissed because its not part of a bigger plot? Pissed because too much bigger plot?

A lot of them are pissed that superheroes didn't go away in 2012 like they wanted.

The criticisms I’ve seen are:

Villain flatter than Ronan the Accuser

Captain Marvel seems inconsistent, no coherent vision for the character

Monica Rambeaux just there

Feels like there were a lot of rewrites and reshoots leading to tonal shifts and threads that go nowhere.

Jokes not funny.



Now, I’m still planning to see this because I tend to enjoy the lighter toned MCU movies, even hated ones like Thor 4. I don’t see eye to eye with my favorite reviewers, but I respect their perspectives due to their articulation of what worked for them and what didn’t.

 LunarSol wrote:
A lot of them are pissed that superheroes didn't go away in 2012 like they wanted.

Seems like a terrible attempt at dismissing criticisms.

Nobody here can say one way or the other till we see it. When critics opinions sit on opposite sides of the spectrum it's fair to assume some or all of them can be dismissed. The truth probably sits somewhere in the middle.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
A lot of them are pissed that superheroes didn't go away in 2012 like they wanted.

Seems like a terrible attempt at dismissing criticisms.

Eh, I'm just kind of over the fandom as a whole. Whether it be the crowd screaming superhero fatigue for over a decade or the Snyder bros or any of it. I'm tired of spending more time on the discussion leading up something than the actual product is worth.

 LunarSol wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
A lot of them are pissed that superheroes didn't go away in 2012 like they wanted.

Seems like a terrible attempt at dismissing criticisms.

Eh, I'm just kind of over the fandom as a whole. Whether it be the crowd screaming superhero fatigue for over a decade or the Snyder bros or any of it. I'm tired of spending more time on the discussion leading up something than the actual product is worth.

Yeah, my personal favorite is the ones where all the discussion is in the lead-up, of films no-one has seen yet. Then once they come out, discussion dries up because there's nothing worth talking about.
Or the 'what-the-30-seconds-of-end-credits-means-for-the-future-of-the-MCU/DCEU,' which is arguably worse.

Just saw it and I really dug it. Exactly the sort of fun, light hearted adventure I was expecting from the previews. Khamala was great in this, it was fun seeing her family again - and not just for a single scene either, they featured throughout and were thoroughly entertaining. I felt all three characters got their time to shine. There were some surprising cameos too, especially during the mid credits scene.

From what I can gather the consensus is that it as ok movie: not great, not awful, just fine. Common thoughts seem to be boring villain, many of the actors seem seem disinterested, Kamala is a highlight, and a scenes with kittens is fun. In the end seemingly designed to be perfect for streaming.

One comment I saw: "Of all the films coming out in 2024, this is one of them".

I don’t think that’s entirely fair to the film.

This is one of the better ones of this phase. It’s bright, it’s very entertaining, and the cast are solid. It doesn’t drag its feet, and the plot makes sense.

It’s a comfortably above average MCU film. And I think people may be spoiled by just how decent the MCU’s fare is.

Audience scores are significantly higher than critic (80-85%). Seeing it tomorrow. By all acounts a light, punchy, fun one. Not the mcus greatest. Nowhere near it's worst.

Just finished it. Quite enjoyed it. Got some good hooks for future stuff as well.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don’t think that’s entirely fair to the film.

It is just a general overview of the different things that have been said so far; it is neither fair or unfair it is indifferent.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This is one of the better ones of this phase.

That is as high a bar as "healthier than smoking cigarettes".

 Ahtman wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don’t think that’s entirely fair to the film.

It is just a general overview of the different things that have been said so far; it is neither fair or unfair it is indifferent.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This is one of the better ones of this phase.

That is as high a bar as "healthier than smoking cigarettes".

GotG 3 is in this phase.

 Lance845 wrote:
GotG 3 is in this phase.

No one described that as "one of the better ones of this phase", either; there is no need to compare it to the smell of a dumpster to come out as better, as it stands out all by itself.

GOTG3 is one of the better MCU movies, period. A note return to form.

For my money, whilst still quite enjoyable films, only Eternals and Black Panther 2 stand out as not that great.

Eternals is just…weird. It doesn’t feel or really act like part of the MCU.

Black Panther 2? Shot during the pandemic, and having lost an incredibly charismatic leading man. Both of which were significant challenges. Most of the film is better than its reputation suggests, with the biggest letdown being the big final scrap. Which is just….weird.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
GotG 3 is in this phase.

No one described that as "one of the better ones of this phase", either; there is no need to compare it to the smell of a dumpster to come out as better, as it stands out all by itself.

I likes the bit where they insult Draxx to his face, then wipe his memory, with the implication that this is a semi-regular occurrence.

Mmmm likable characters!

Also, for The Marvel’s finale?

Saw it. Really enjoyed it. I would agree with the assessment that it's light and breezy fun with a couple of good poignant moments that don't slow it down.

I would agree that it's a middle of the road good Marvel movie, but I would also like to point out that at this stage a middle of the road good Marvel movie is just a good movie as far as comic movies go. Id place it in the same teir as IM 1, Dr Strange 1, etc...

Not the best Marvel movie. Not as heart wrenching as GotG3, or the absolute solid maybe best movie Winter Soldier is but a good time seeing a decent story.

Lore implication stuff.

 Lance845 wrote:
Saw it. Really enjoyed it. I would agree with the assessment that it's light and breezy fun with a couple of good poignant moments that don't slow it down.

I would agree that it's a middle of the road good Marvel movie, but I would also like to point out that at this stage a middle of the road good Marvel movie is just a good movie as far as comic movies go. Id place it in the same teir as IM 1, Dr Strange 1, etc...

Not the best Marvel movie. Not as heart wrenching as GotG3, or the absolute solid maybe best movie Winter Soldier is but a good time seeing a decent story.

Lore implication stuff.

Spoiler:

So confirmation of what the Bangle is. Quantum Bands. Being the Quantum Bands,,,, Quasar?

The Quantum Bands were used by a couple of Eternals to give birth to children the natural way. Those kids were Thanos and Starfox.


It's interesting that Carol effectively saved Hala (at the cost of 2 other worlds because of Dar-Ben) but the skrulls are still fethed. However they are now on Earth, and with the implications of Secret Invasion maybe there is a story there eventually.

It feels more like it’s set before Secret Invasion rather than after due to events. Also Fury seems way less gloomy and such.

They probably want people to forget that Secret Invasion ever happened. I mean, wouldn't you?

Anyway, the opening. US$47m. That's pretty dire, to say the least. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for the meetings that they'll be having at Marvel today.

Voss wrote:
Or the 'what-the-30-seconds-of-end-credits-means-for-the-future-of-the-MCU/DCEU,' which is arguably worse.

When what the post-credits scene will be is more exciting than the entire proceeding film, then you have a problem.

The only thing I'm looking forward to about this movie is the Honest Trailer or Pitch Meeting video about it.

But yeah, that opening box office is pretty bad given what the budget is. Can't say the supposedly good audience score can save it from the general apathy that the MCU has generated from all the poor content they've been putting out.

Yeah, Chapek really damaged the brand during his short tenure helming the ship. They're gonna have to work hard to build trust with the audience again. While I like the Marvels just fine, I can understand the apathy in the wake of Endgame. The Multiverse Saga is just not nearly as tight as the Infinity Saga.

Id say it's a combination of Chapek brand damage and the writers/actors strike.

The lead up to this film was drowned out by 1 rumor mills and 2 poor advertising. Iman, Brie, and Teyonah would have been doing the circuit and instead sat by silently.

WE knew this movie was coming out and the other comic nerds knew this movie was coming out, but time and again it's proven that the nerds don't produce the profits. The general audiences do. And the general audiences are not watching the press releases and paying attention to message boards.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Yeah, Chapek really damaged the brand during his short tenure helming the ship. They're gonna have to work hard to build trust with the audience again. While I like the Marvels just fine, I can understand the apathy in the wake of Endgame. The Multiverse Saga is just not nearly as tight as the Infinity Saga.

That's an inherent problem with breaking open a multiverse (and time travel). It can't be tight. Anyone can be anything and immediately swan off, or replace or be replaced. Stakes are down, normal storytelling is out the window. Any temporary resolution is going to be rooted in nonsense metaphysics and lose at least part of the audience, who mostly want a payoff for the specific version of characters they care about.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
GOTG3 is one of the better MCU movies, period. A note return to form.

For my money, whilst still quite enjoyable films, only Eternals and Black Panther 2 stand out as not that great.

Eternals is just…weird. It doesn’t feel or really act like part of the MCU.

Black Panther 2? Shot during the pandemic, and having lost an incredibly charismatic leading man. Both of which were significant challenges. Most of the film is better than its reputation suggests, with the biggest letdown being the big final scrap. Which is just….weird.

I really liked Eternals a lot more than I expected. I found myself rather engaged with the cast, though admittedly their actual conflict wasn't nearly as compelling as their little bouts of humanity throughout. Definitely a slow burn and not what Marvel is known for, but I found myself really lost in it whenever the Deviants weren't in the picture.

I can definitely see where BP2 had potential to live up to the original, but it is clearly a salvaged project. You can pretty much see every scene Boseman was meant to be in and the cast is often playing double duty to fill in for him, both in terms of the plot and to try and carry the franchise he put everything into. Shuri definitely suffers the most. She's clearly meant to focus on befriending Ruri and giving us a view into Namor and the people of Atlantis, but she's also somehow supposed to carry the hate of loss and the burden of leadership that is clearly Boseman's arc through the film. Wright does a pretty great job of it, but its still too much for one character to carry through the film. A really, really weird final battle does not help at all (though the actual duel is fantastic).

I've said this before, but it keeps irritating me. Disney needs to learn English. It should be Higher, Faster, FARTHER. Farther, not further.

What kind of biased media is actually saying this is one of the "best year for video games"? All the big titles dying or DOA, with only a few exceptions who have always been outsider studios.

About the only positives are big AAA western companies losing boat loads of money and "double As" getting ahead, and live service games dying.

As for the movie -- well deserved; one just don't beat decades of established popular characters with new ones with barely any establishment nor beloved character buildup. The Captain Marvel film was controversial, Kamala Khan is a who and the other one a literal "WHO EVEN IS THIS?" to your average movie goer or even casual fans.

Putting at least 274.8 mil into this project (more than the Avengers, which was to feature a cast consisting of a long list of well-know comic fan favorites, the breakthrough Iron Man, and friends) is ridiculous and Disney should have seen this coming.

Look, Avengers had the Hulk, the Captain America, and the Robert Donny Jr. to lead the helm. Like it or not Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow is, not least for her sexiness, sold tickets. I can't comment on Hawkeye, but the names of the first three alone would almost guarantee a hit. The Marvels was betting on Captain Marvel to carry the film in the promotional stage, and a controversial name like that simply isn't gonna cut it.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I've said this before, but it keeps irritating me. Disney needs to learn English. It should be Higher, Faster, FARTHER. Farther, not further.

Farther is more literal. Further is for more abstract or theoretical distance, much like the purely theoretical target audience for this film.