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Ad mech/Skitarii was apparently second year of 7th edition. Dont know when they got the joint army.

Khorne Daemonkin got their codex earlier that same year, but they didnt survive to next edition.

Crimsome Slaughter got their supplement book end of 6th edition, and also the same with codex Militarum Tempestus (didnt survive long, but were probably usable in 7th)

 Overread wrote:
Craftworld got a huge update semi-recently and they didn't feature as the title faction in a starter set, despite needing a huge number of models.

Meanwhile both Necrons and Tyranids were honestly in good positions before the new launch edition updates to their armies.

The last few editions it feels like the starter boxes have been geared to align with some narrative. If that's the case going forward, Orks are FAR more likely than Dark Eldar.

12th edition could be a throwback to 3rd edition with Black templars vs Dark Eldar. That would be something to look forward to.

It's so ludicrous that we're on double digit editions of this game now.

Apropos ludicrous, I just wondered why GW might want to even do an Ork starter box when they just updated the range recently - only to realize that some core kits (bikes, nobz, I guess the stormboyz) are now older than GW's target demographic :p

Perhaps the orks in this new box will give us enough boys with shootas, and enough with choppas, to make legal squads out of the last Ork starter set, lol

 BorderCountess wrote:

The last few editions it feels like the starter boxes have been geared to align with some narrative. If that's the case going forward, Orks are FAR more likely than Dark Eldar.

GW's narrative lurches all over the place with no telling what crazy happenstance will come next.

'The Dark Eldar have invaded Mars to steal the star-destroying vortex confabulator! Quick call several squads of never before mentioned Primaris Marines!'

Well according to Valrak (who has something like a 90%+ accuracy on the rumors from his "regular guy") it's going to be Marines (of course) vs Orks. Supposedly with a Primaris-ed Tactical Squad coming either in a Space Marine 2.0 dex, or with the new edition.

The new Deathwatch Killteam has me thinking though, what are the chances that GW slowly discontinues the current Primaris range and rereleases them in the old Marine squad types? I'm thinking there are two possibilities,

A) Combine similar armor types

Primaris Tactical Squad: (2x) 2 sprues making 5 Intercessor bodies with Sergeant upgrades and the option to make 1 Marine a Hellblaster, Infernus, or Desolator

Primaris Devastator Squad: (1x) 2 sprues making 3 Gravis with 2 Heavy Intercessors or Eradicators and 1 Aggressor

B) Mixed armor types (like Killteam)

Primaris Tactical Squad: (2x) 2 sprues making 4 Tacticus bodies (Bolt Rifle or Pyreblaster), Sergeant upgrades, and 1 Gravis body (Hv Bolt Rifle or Melta)

Primaris Devastator Squad: (1x) 2 sprues making 2 Gravis (Hv Bolt Rifle, Melta, or Aggressor kit), 2 Tacticus (Plasma Rifles or Desolator Missiles), and 1 Tacticus Sergeant

Would be funny if they did that.

Consolidate the range a bit and drop out all the odd/ugly primaris units that dont fit like agressors, reivers, supperors and inceptors.

 Jack Flask wrote:
Well according to Valrak (who has something like a 90%+ accuracy on the rumors from his "regular guy") it's going to be Marines (of course) vs Orks. Supposedly with a Primaris-ed Tactical Squad coming either in a Space Marine 2.0 dex, or with the new edition.

He is riding a crest of accurate predictions at the moment. Although clearly noone told him about the 3rd Edition Heresy pdf, as he was (uncharacteristically) critical of GW for invalidating units/options. Anyway, if he says it's Marines vs Orks then I'm prepared to believe it. The current WH40k rules have no appeal for me, but new Ork models and a Primaris tac squad are quite attractive. Especially if it means the Orks are being re-done. The Ork range is in dire need of a proper overhaul; the latest Ork kits are a very different aesthetic to the earlier kits that still make up a proportion of the range, and are far more detailed.

I would hope that they reintroduce the original Marine squad types as the 'Primaris' prefix loses its relevance. The current organisation is too close to Heresy-era units - restoring the original unit types would give WH40k Marines more character.

I wouldn't have said Orks are in dire need of an overhaul.

I'd probably do Nobz in a Kill Team release at some point over the next couple of the years - and then what? Lootas and Storm Boyz maybe. A new Deff Dread (and that's debateable) and Weirdboy.

Nothing stops them I guess making brand new Meganobz - but I don't think the current kit is that bad.

Tbh though this is sort of how I feel about DE. Its an old range, mostly dating back to the 2010/2011 release in 5th edition. But I think Kabalites and Wyches hold up well. I'm not itching to see "new Hellions and Reavers". Grotesques are an obvious omission - but you could do them in Kill Team.

Imo DE need a whole new dimension - akin to "here's all the Buggies" and "what's a Snagga Boy" releases Orks have had.

Orks have quite a lot of their core range in plastic kits that will be between 17 and 27 years old by next summer.

1999/2008: multipart boyz
2008: bikers, looters, burnas, trukk
2009: stormboyz, grots, nobz, battlewagon

Weirdboys are still finecast too iirc.

It's true that Meganobs just over a decade old, but have been noticeably left behind by the scale creep that began shortly after their release. Even Deathwatch who came out after them are now starting to get updated, so it wouldn't shock me to see these done too.

Better load up on the classic Boyz and Nobz kits before they get monoposed. I can see them do separate Kits for Shoota/ sluggaboyz, new Lootas and Burnaz - of course nothing will be interchangeable anymore.

 xttz wrote:
Orks have quite a lot of their core range in plastic kits that will be between 17 and 27 years old by next summer.

1999/2008: multipart boyz
2008: bikers, looters, burnas, trukk
2009: stormboyz, grots, nobz, battlewagon

Weirdboys are still finecast too iirc.

It's true that Meganobs just over a decade old, but have been noticeably left behind by the scale creep that began shortly after their release. Even Deathwatch who came out after them are now starting to get updated, so it wouldn't shock me to see these done too.

Kanz and dread can't be far off those ages either iirc.

I'll be honest I was really surprised when beast snaggas came out as they really weren't needed.

Kans are at least 15 years old. Probably the 17. I was working at GW at the time, and remember having to stick extra labels on the early stock, due to spiky being very spiky.

 Snord wrote:

 Jack Flask wrote:
Well according to Valrak (who has something like a 90%+ accuracy on the rumors from his "regular guy") it's going to be Marines (of course) vs Orks. Supposedly with a Primaris-ed Tactical Squad coming either in a Space Marine 2.0 dex, or with the new edition.

He is riding a crest of accurate predictions at the moment. Although clearly noone told him about the 3rd Edition Heresy pdf, as he was (uncharacteristically) critical of GW for invalidating units/options. Anyway, if he says it's Marines vs Orks then I'm prepared to believe it. The current WH40k rules have no appeal for me, but new Ork models and a Primaris tac squad are quite attractive. Especially if it means the Orks are being re-done. The Ork range is in dire need of a proper overhaul; the latest Ork kits are a very different aesthetic to the earlier kits that still make up a proportion of the range, and are far more detailed.

I would hope that they reintroduce the original Marine squad types as the 'Primaris' prefix loses its relevance. The current organisation is too close to Heresy-era units - restoring the original unit types would give WH40k Marines more character.

I get the impression his "regular guy" is somewhere in the physical product pipeline (e.g. sculpting, painting, box graphic design) since he's usually bang-on about what models will look like, but doesn't have much info about their names or rules.

I'm curious to see how they balance adding back old unit types while not invalidating the collections of people who started collecting from 8th ed on.

 Snord wrote:
I would hope that they reintroduce the original Marine squad types as the 'Primaris' prefix loses its relevance. The current organisation is too close to Heresy-era units - restoring the original unit types would give WH40k Marines more character.

I would love this, but my expectations are very low. Personally, the thing that makes me the most annoyed with Primaris units is how many of them are in groups of 3 instead of 5. Combat squads? Sure. But what the heck are these tiny units?! Gimme my groups of 5 and ten!

5 man marines do a much better job of making them feel elite compared to things like Guard, IMO. I always feel they lose their identity in 10 mans.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ntzalchg/grey-knights-moving-and-shaking-with-the-knights-of-titan/

New Grey Knights jump around better than the Harlequins. Hopefully Dark Eldar get something similar when their time comes.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Better load up on the classic Boyz and Nobz kits before they get monoposed. I can see them do separate Kits for Shoota/ sluggaboyz, new Lootas and Burnaz - of course nothing will be interchangeable anymore.

The hilarious part is that they did update the Boyz kit, but it's so bad they kept the classic kit available. I just ordered two classic boxes for my son and I for some Gorkamorka.

 BorderCountess wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Better load up on the classic Boyz and Nobz kits before they get monoposed. I can see them do separate Kits for Shoota/ sluggaboyz, new Lootas and Burnaz - of course nothing will be interchangeable anymore.

The hilarious part is that they did update the Boyz kit, but it's so bad they kept the classic kit available. I just ordered two classic boxes for my son and I for some Gorkamorka.

I know and I built the old and new kit. If the rumor about orks as starter turns out true I fully expect the new Boyz from 22 to be stuffed into starterboxes but GW also releasing yet another even newer Boyz kit or two which builds squads with uniform equipment. The new boyz kit always felt like it was planned for something else that never came into realization, being "easy to build" and not replacing the old kit.

I believe the original plan was to launch the Primaris by recreating Assault on Black Reach before the Death Guard stepped in as the primary antagonists for the 8th edition launch. The easy build Boyz were supposed to debut there.

Easy build models for starter sets don't include weapon options like the monopose Boys does.

Face it people - it's just GW removing options and customisation.
The only reason the older Boys kit is still around as well is that people kicked up a fuss.

YMMV, but I would love a facelifted version of the 2nd Ed. Orks.

Androidarts (Arne Niklas Jansson) has done some redesign doodles which really hit the nostalgia spot.

https://androidarts.com/40k/40K23.htm

Just got the new Boyz on a combat patrol magazine and the lack of options is really really bad. A new 40k Ed with viable options for Orks is really needed. I mean 10£ is fine but 3 times that for these kind of sprues is not really appealing.

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

YMMV, but I would love a facelifted version of the 2nd Ed. Orks.

Androidarts (Arne Niklas Jansson) has done some redesign doodles which really hit the nostalgia spot.

https://androidarts.com/40k/40K23.htm

Yeaaah I'm not much of a nostalgia person usually but neither the late 90ies gorilla Orks nor the recent buff guys redesign really worked for me, just gimme some scrawny weirdo Orks straight from a Paul Bonner drawing GW

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

YMMV, but I would love a facelifted version of the 2nd Ed. Orks.

Androidarts (Arne Niklas Jansson) has done some redesign doodles which really hit the nostalgia spot.

https://androidarts.com/40k/40K23.htm

Oh my god, that looks amazing. I would love to see something like that!

doesn't most IG vechicles are older then orks? i mean all chimeras derivatives, even baneblade

Obligatory remark that the Eldar Vyper kit will turn 30 in just two more years

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Obligatory remark that the Eldar Vyper kit will turn 30 in just two more years

The falcon sprue will as well.