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 warboss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

The UK and German governments recently issues advisory notices on travel to the USA, is that what they mean?

Possibly. They only really apply to urban areas run by friendly comrades without any real political opposition so as long as you stay away from those big cities (basically anything that has had an "Escape from..." franchise movie set in it plus Chicago, Portland, and Seattle) you should be fine.

No, it's because you have jackbooted thugs denying entry to the USA to academics attending conferences because they said things that weren't nice about your fuhrer on their phones. You guys really are clueless about what has been happening, aren't you?

 Easy E wrote:

On a personal note, I glanced at my miniature collection, and I would say about 90%+ of it comes from outside the US. That makes me wonder how wargaming is going to expand in the US in the next few years, especially non-GW and historical wargaming?

I suspect that 3d printing and local printing options like Siocast will pick up in popularity (though obviously the initial outlay for the machines and some material costs will increase regardless assuming the tariffs aren't negotiated away to a large degree).

 Easy E wrote:
Reading this thread has made me dumber because of all the insane BS in it.

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On a personal note, I glanced at my miniature collection, and I would say about 90%+ of it comes from outside the US. That makes me wonder how wargaming is going to expand in the US in the next few years, especially non-GW and historical wargaming?

I am not even sure I will be able to stay in.

I'm sure every model and game I have are at least partially sourced from outside the US due to the materials involved. I bet even Reaper relies on foreign sourced metals. And the paints we use? Those pigments and chemicals are sourced all over.

robbienw wrote:
Most Americans are cool, but there seems to be is a certain type of very online American that loves to slate European countries on a range of issue, then cries when it’s pointed out their country is worse on every possible metric on the issues they are slating Europe for.

They seem to be curious left overs from the early/mid 2000s ‘freedom fries’ era.

Funny.

Unfortunately garbage sites like 4chan leak on occasion and we're forced to be reminded people like that exist.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

The UK and German governments recently issues advisory notices on travel to the USA, is that what they mean?

Possibly. They only really apply to urban areas run by friendly comrades without any real political opposition so as long as you stay away from those big cities (basically anything that has had an "Escape from..." franchise movie set in it plus Chicago, Portland, and Seattle) you should be fine.

No, it's because you have jackbooted thugs denying entry to the USA to academics attending conferences because they said things that weren't nice about your fuhrer on their phones. You guys really are clueless about what has been happening, aren't you?

It’s complete BS.

It amuses me when people repeat this childish propaganda and then get butthurt when others post the popular stereotypes about them and their people. Reminds me of a Southerner I knew who would say cities are crime-ridden hellholes, but somehow got angry when asked which sibling he married. I guess it takes some self awareness to realize one is regurgitating nonsense they wouldn’t want spewed about them.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

The UK and German governments recently issues advisory notices on travel to the USA, is that what they mean?

Possibly. They only really apply to urban areas run by friendly comrades without any real political opposition so as long as you stay away from those big cities (basically anything that has had an "Escape from..." franchise movie set in it plus Chicago, Portland, and Seattle) you should be fine.

No, it's because you have jackbooted thugs denying entry to the USA to academics attending conferences because they said things that weren't nice about your fuhrer on their phones. You guys really are clueless about what has been happening, aren't you?

It’s complete BS.

It amuses me when people repeat this childish propaganda and then get butthurt when others post the popular stereotypes about them and their people. Reminds me of a Southerner I knew who would say cities are crime-ridden hellholes, but somehow got angry when asked which sibling he married. I guess it takes some self awareness to realize one is regurgitating nonsense they wouldn’t want spewed about them.

From my experiences of working with Americans, they're sadly really bad at the banter and take it literally.

Honestly if you have anything other than knife crime, bad teeth and cockney people, I'm all ears. Bonus points if you can hit the local details (Yorkshire).

And thread is being locked in 10...9....8....

So another datapoint that the crowdfunders would be interested in:

"Please note that De Minimis still applies to US imports from the EU, which means that the tariffs only apply if your pledge is above $800." -- Kamil from Archon games.

Oh, and, yeah, their GameFound campaign is on! (: https://gamefound.com/en/projects/archon-studio/dnl7-porthaven/

Dudeface wrote:
Bonus points if you can hit the local details (Yorkshire).

Wait what's these "local details" for Yorkshire? I might be moving there later this year!

 parakuribo wrote:
And thread is being locked in 10...9....8....

We're well past that point really, plus this is going to be a permanent feature of every release until the end of time when a new release comes out and the prices are fethed.

 ced1106 wrote:
So another datapoint that the crowdfunders would be interested in:

"Please note that De Minimis still applies to US imports from the EU, which means that the tariffs only apply if your pledge is above $800." -- Kamil from Archon games.

Oh, and, yeah, their GameFound campaign is on! (: https://gamefound.com/en/projects/archon-studio/dnl7-porthaven/

Problem with this administration is that who knows if that will remain open or not.

 Easy E wrote:

On a personal note, I glanced at my miniature collection, and I would say about 90%+ of it comes from outside the US. That makes me wonder how wargaming is going to expand in the US in the next few years, especially non-GW and historical wargaming?

I am not even sure I will be able to stay in.

I think stores and producers may struggle because they get their stock through normal distribution channels where the tariffs will be applied. But because of something concrete that I learned about in this thread, de minimis, individuals may be ok. The current US rules for de minimis say that private individuals can receive up to $800 of goods per day without paying import duties (tariffs). So I think we can order from UK businesses without paying the 10%. Shipping costs from the UK appear weird, at least from what I see on Ebay, so maybe ordering from Canada would be better. Ultimately it would bring the online vs in store debate back into sharp relief.

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Bonus points if you can hit the local details (Yorkshire).

Wait what's these "local details" for Yorkshire? I might be moving there later this year!

It depends which bit, I'd argue the stereotypes are generally we're a bit slow, have funny accents, I'd say a bit inbred out in the sticks.



It's decent, affordable and quiet in honesty. I like it here.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

It’s complete BS.

It amuses me when people repeat this childish propaganda and then get butthurt when others post the popular stereotypes about them and their people. Reminds me of a Southerner I knew who would say cities are crime-ridden hellholes, but somehow got angry when asked which sibling he married. I guess it takes some self awareness to realize one is regurgitating nonsense they wouldn’t want spewed about them.

FWIW, I grew up in one of the cities I mentioned and specifically worked in Emergency services including as a first responder for almost 20 years before I left and it has gotten significantly worse in the years since. When I refer half jokingly and obliquely to my former residence as a crime-ridden hellhole, I do it with sadness and still left over nostalgia but rooted in fact. Additionally, I'm an only child for reference.

Dudeface wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Bonus points if you can hit the local details (Yorkshire).

Wait what's these "local details" for Yorkshire? I might be moving there later this year!

It depends which bit, I'd argue the stereotypes are generally we're a bit slow, have funny accents, I'd say a bit inbred out in the sticks.

Ahh so basically Norfolk without the webbed feet!

It's amazing that the yellow triangle doesn't work.

You actually have to have mods online for that to work.

 Arschbombe wrote:
I think stores and producers may struggle because they get their stock through normal distribution channels where the tariffs will be applied. But because of something concrete that I learned about in this thread, de minimis, individuals may be ok. The current US rules for de minimis say that private individuals can receive up to $800 of goods per day without paying import duties (tariffs). So I think we can order from UK businesses without paying the 10%. Shipping costs from the UK appear weird, at least from what I see on Ebay, so maybe ordering from Canada would be better. Ultimately it would bring the online vs in store debate back into sharp relief.

Supposedly they were trying to close that de minimis (which is an ironic name given the focus of this forum and the topic that is supposed to be discussed!) exception according to one of the talking head news videos I watched yesterday (sorry, it was on of several so I don't have a link but I think it was on the Forbes youtube channel). Regardless, this is literally still the first 48 hours after the announcement. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoe. The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria! People need to stop panicking and let the negotiators do their job; in the meantime, paint your damn backlog of minis! We all have one.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You actually have to have mods online for that to work.

The only mod online until they got off was the one who started this thread.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

The UK and German governments recently issues advisory notices on travel to the USA, is that what they mean?

Possibly. They only really apply to urban areas run by friendly comrades without any real political opposition so as long as you stay away from those big cities (basically anything that has had an "Escape from..." franchise movie set in it plus Chicago, Portland, and Seattle) you should be fine.

No, it's because you have jackbooted thugs denying entry to the USA to academics attending conferences because they said things that weren't nice about your fuhrer on their phones. You guys really are clueless about what has been happening, aren't you?

It’s complete BS.

It amuses me when people repeat this childish propaganda and then get butthurt when others post the popular stereotypes about them and their people. Reminds me of a Southerner I knew who would say cities are crime-ridden hellholes, but somehow got angry when asked which sibling he married. I guess it takes some self awareness to realize one is regurgitating nonsense they wouldn’t want spewed about them.

It is not: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Bonus points if you can hit the local details (Yorkshire).

Wait what's these "local details" for Yorkshire? I might be moving there later this year!

It depends which bit, I'd argue the stereotypes are generally we're a bit slow, have funny accents, I'd say a bit inbred out in the sticks.

Ahh so basically Norfolk without the webbed feet!

My parents house got broken into four times in six months when they moved up to Yorkshire. They left shortly afterwards. Not sure it had much to do with muslims though. Does that qualify as a no-go zone? Or does it just refer to places you wouldn't want to go? I was in Wirral a few years back, and can't say I'd fancy returning.

So many parts of the UK are derelict these days with no industry, it's sad. Nottingham really lucked out by becoming the hub of an industry, even if it's a small one. Given the UK consumes a lot of wargaming products, I'm not sure all the companies there NEED to be exporting to the US - but the tariffs will probably hurt them regardless.

Fingers crossed the UK will slide around the tariffs shortly. I've read a few pieces that boiled down supposedly to, 'Trump wanted to announce his big tariffs and is holding off on negotiations until a few weeks afterwards - something is in the works for the UK after that period'. But you never really know anymore. Nothing's reliable when it comes to the US.

Given GW alone makes more money than the UK Fishing Industry, I wouldn’t say it’s a small one

 warboss wrote:

Supposedly they were trying to close that de minimis (which is an ironic name given the focus of this forum and the topic that is supposed to be discussed!) exception according to one of the talking head news videos I watched yesterday (sorry, it was on of several so I don't have a link but I think it was on the Forbes youtube channel).

It was closed for China and, I think Vietnam, specifically to target Temu and Shein which send small packages to US consumers. Rest of the world was spared.

 Arschbombe wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Supposedly they were trying to close that de minimis (which is an ironic name given the focus of this forum and the topic that is supposed to be discussed!) exception according to one of the talking head news videos I watched yesterday (sorry, it was on of several so I don't have a link but I think it was on the Forbes youtube channel).

It was closed for China and, I think Vietnam, specifically to target Temu and Shein which send small packages to US consumers. Rest of the world was spared.

Thanks for clarifying. China (and the EU) were the two biggest trading partners mentioned in the interview but I wasn't sure if the closing of the loophole was universal or targeted.

Despite what people may think given my tongue in cheek responses in thread, I'm not actually a fan of this cudgel approach to tariffs and would have preferred a more targeted/focused divide and conquer tactic first going to the biggest partners/offenders (not necessarily the same thing) before moving on to others. I'm glad the exception still apparently exists for the rest of the world then.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You actually have to have mods online for that to work.

The only mod online until they got off was the one who started this thread.

Remember when this thread was actually about news? Me either.

Take a deep breath and relax, kids. You are going to be ok.

I am interested though about that funding that is like 50 bucks a month for awhile, if that counts as the 800.00. I really do want some of that Ship, Harbor, Tavern etc. Dungeons and Lasers action. That ship campaign they are talking about looks Aces and Eights. I'd like to do that with the Blood and Plunder ships, as well.

Because if I can get around it, I'll give ya 50 bucks a month for the rest of the year, if I can get all of that.

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/archon-studio/dnl7-porthaven/

 techsoldaten wrote:



Trade imbalances and tariffs.

I can't speak to all of the countries of the world, but there are practical and unavoidable reasons for trade imbalances. For example, my country has a tenth of the population of the US. It is not possible for us to buy as much from the US as they buy from us. Other countries lack the industrial capacity to produce highest value goods. A trade imbalance does not automatically imply a rip off.

 techsoldaten wrote:

US goods are the most highly tariffed in the all the world.

And yet, that hasn't prevented the US from having the highest overall GDP in the world, the second highest GDP for Goods, and the 7th highest overall GDP per capita... Which objectively means that the status quo was better for the US than every other country in the world.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Especially agricultural products, especially hard commodities like coal, iron, steel, etc.

Wanting to sell as much iron as a country that only has the capacity to sell iron is a stupid thing to want when your own country has the potential to sell thousands of things that have greater value.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Subsidies and state support, which lead to dumping cheap products on our markets that make it impossible for our businesses to compete.

Riiiiight... Like the US doesn't subsidize corn so much that they are the world's number one exporter of diabetes in the the form of high-fructose corn syrup. These tariffs are actually going to force the US to subsidize its own agriculture sector even more than it already does.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Intellectual property theft.

Companies steal intellectual property. Punishing countries for that doesn't always make sense, and the scale at which it's being done and to whom most certainly doesn't make sense.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Most of our national champions don't even try to secure their IP these days because it will just get stolen eventually.

The only reason any company ever does anything is because it makes them money. If your "national champions" aren't trying to secure their IP it's because not doing so makes them more money in the long run.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Unequal market access. Our economy has to be open to preserve the rules based world order.

It's more the case that the US market being as open as it is doesn't prevent it from making more money than any other country on the planet, making more stuff than all but one country in the world and making more money per person than all but six, while every other country in the world has to do what they do in order to make enough money to continue at least being a part of the game they know they can never win.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Meanwhile a Ford costs twice as much in the EU has it does here.

Most countries don't want American made cars because your emission standards suck. You couldn't pay someone in Japan to take an American car off your hands because it would be illegal to drive it there.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Security and economic dependence. Security guarantees from the US protect the seas allowing international trade.

Which benefits the US more than any other country in the world because the US makes more money than any other country in the world and produces more value in goods than all but one.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Reciprocal trade practices could go to making that actually affordable, but instead money is funneled into social programs.

Social programs, in many cases, save lives.

 techsoldaten wrote:

People in the United States live under these conditions:

- The average family cannot afford to buy a starter home in the place they live until they are in their 50s.

- The average US household carries over $100k in debt.

- The average US household has about $6k in savings.

News flash brother: it's just about as bad in most countries, and in a lot of places, it's worse. Because the rich in EVERY country get that way by ripping off those who have less. It isn't International trade that's causing this- it's CEO's and upper managers taking MILLIONS in salaries, bonuses and perks while running cost benefits analyses to ensure that they are getting maximum work from a minimum of employees at the lowest possible expense. If you want life to be fair for the average person, you have to fix that problem, and it is GLOBAL.

In the US, 77% of the population are adults, and of those 84% earn less than $100,000- the total number of people that fall into this category is roughly 223 million. If JUST Elon's peak net worth was equally distributed to those people, each of them would receive $218,117. And that's ONE GUY. There are 902 BILLIONAIRES in the US and 22 million millionaires.

THAT is your problem. But convincing you that international trade imbalances are the problem got somebody both votes AND donations from the ultra rich. Telling you the truth would have only scored votes.

 techsoldaten wrote:

Most people would like to have some economic security. That's impossible so long as cheap good are dumped on our markets,

without the cheap goods supplied by other countries, your poor would be dead

 techsoldaten wrote:
our businesses are non-viable because of a lack of overseas market access,

in 2024, 139 of the Fortune Global 500 companies were American, 124 were Chinese; only 33 other countries even made the list, and they are fighting over the less than half of spots that are leftover by the big 2,

 techsoldaten wrote:
and we have to spend ridiculous sums on distant wars protecting allies.

those wars were fought as much to subsidize the US weapons manufacturing industry, to weaken rivals by proxy or to install governments more likely to accept American values and American trade.

 techsoldaten wrote:

You're trying to argue the predominance of the US GDP makes us immune to the effects of the things listed above.

No, I'm arguing that if your wealth was more equitably distributed, your GDP dominance WOULD make you immune to the things listed above.

 techsoldaten wrote:

You fail to recognize those numbers are based on international flows of capital that go far beyond the country's borders.

That's fair- I'm not an economist, but you're also failing to recognize international trade is only one irritant in the web of correlational factors that affect any given country's distribution of wealth and quality of life, and that many if not most of those correlational factors are related to domestic policy as opposed to foreign.

 techsoldaten wrote:

That is absolutely not true for the people who have to live here and remedies are warranted.

This is also true, but talking just the tax breaks the current US administration is planning to give millionaires and investing those dollars in universal healthcare would do more to alleviate that problem than these tariffs will. All these tariffs are going to achieve is a global recession. In business, you can just write it off as a bankruptcy. In governance, people die. That's why you can't run a country like it's a business.

Locking this utter stupidity.