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It would be great if Edmark became the first comically arrogant character in Warhammer. "Admit it" a popular meme and having his own animated show in the spirit of Monty Python....

...I know. I'm away with the fairies.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
I don't think that's a book. Take a look at the Blood Bowl board that is right next to it. Practically the same thing. The "spine" is just where the board folds.

You can see the edge bind on the far edge of the Bloodbowl board, because it is in fact a board. You can't see any edge bind on the far edge of the Darkwater "board", because it's obscured in the same manner a hardcover book would be when viewed from the same angle.

I might be wrong but i think you can also see a bookmark poking out?

There also seem to be symbols at the top/side of the page? I am wondering if they refer to a map or page elsewhere in the book to turn to next?

Not sure I like the idea of static maps in a book. It feels more limited, and I rather like building up a big sprawl of interlocking card rooms and corridors and so on.

What do you think about the size of the box?
While the box depicted in the leaked photo is likely a render and not an actual photo of the real box, the size of boxes in GW promo material is usually quite accurate.
With no terrain or dungeon tiles and only about 50 mainly infantry sized miniatures, the depicted box looks too thick for the components shown. For example the War of the Rohirrim box with terrain and a comparable number of minatures is only half as thick.

So what else could be in the box that would require such a large box?
More models are unlikely as the promo picture seem to show also models that are not part of the current scenario, i.e. in play/on board.
More reference sheets, profile and equipment cards for the other models would be likely.
As would be a separate rule book if the board shown is really a book of maps/rooms.
However, that is still not enough to fill that box, unless the models are spread over a lot of sprues which I also consider to be unlikely as models for these kind of boxed games are usually simpler in their design.

Maybe the actual box is not as big as depicted after all…

If it’s anything like other quest games then the contents will be lots of card stock. Tokens, etc, maybe not floor times looking at that set up.

Corridors dont seem likely, looking at those pictures but it would be great to have an actually Warhammer quest RPG built into this release with grid etc.

Had a thought occur to me earlier.

If this is indeed a book of dungeon plans? Could this be melding Classic Quest, with the Choose Your Own Adventure thing?

So once you’ve cleared a given room/page, you’ve options presented as to where you go next.

If so? I think that idea has some potential. Could be incredibly cool, but could also be botched horribly.

Seelenhaendler wrote:
What do you think about the size of the box?
While the box depicted in the leaked photo is likely a render and not an actual photo of the real box, the size of boxes in GW promo material is usually quite accurate.
With no terrain or dungeon tiles and only about 50 mainly infantry sized miniatures, the depicted box looks too thick for the components shown. For example the War of the Rohirrim box with terrain and a comparable number of minatures is only half as thick.

So what else could be in the box that would require such a large box?
More models are unlikely as the promo picture seem to show also models that are not part of the current scenario, i.e. in play/on board.
More reference sheets, profile and equipment cards for the other models would be likely.
As would be a separate rule book if the board shown is really a book of maps/rooms.
However, that is still not enough to fill that box, unless the models are spread over a lot of sprues which I also consider to be unlikely as models for these kind of boxed games are usually simpler in their design.

Maybe the actual box is not as big as depicted after all…

I'd have thought there would almost have to be a second book - can't go questing all over the rulebook.
Plus more card decks and unit sheets.

Card stock seems to have been an issue recently and maybe getting it printed contributed to the cursed city fiasco, if so book based floors might be a way to counter that. They have reliable book printers.

That's a very good theory, Andykp.

You probably get more maps for your money, but can’t do things like running fights, where half the minis rush to the next room while half hang back. Which is one advantage of tiles, where you can have as many out as you have table space.

There's also a lot of industry experience (eg Loke Battlemats) showing these 'book' setups do work and are popular with the RPG crowd

I like the sound of these "book" maps. They sound like they would be very easy to store on a shelf over lots of bits of card.

Lots of other dungeon crawl style games are using book maps.

Book-mats would be amazing for Blood Bowl - imagine if they printed a full collection! They're all the same size, a separate booklet for the individual rules...I'd certainly pay for a spiral bound book like that.

Also make expansions easier.

 Nevelon wrote:
You probably get more maps for your money, but can’t do things like running fights, where half the minis rush to the next room while half hang back. Which is one advantage of tiles, where you can have as many out as you have table space.

You can always pull the staples out of the book to separate the maps.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
You probably get more maps for your money, but can’t do things like running fights, where half the minis rush to the next room while half hang back. Which is one advantage of tiles, where you can have as many out as you have table space.

You can always pull the staples out of the book to separate the maps.

not if it is spiral bound, though

 porkuslime wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
You probably get more maps for your money, but can’t do things like running fights, where half the minis rush to the next room while half hang back. Which is one advantage of tiles, where you can have as many out as you have table space.

You can always pull the staples out of the book to separate the maps.

not if it is spiral bound, though

I personally doubt that GW will go to that expense. Although that would explain why the box is so deep!

This point has me really intrigued. The image clearly shows the book does not have a spiral bound spine, yet every traditional book spine does NOT work for map books. That's why all my Loke map books and Jaws of the Lion have spiral bound. So that means one of three things: it's a bad prototype photo, they've discovered some fascinating new technology to make it work with a hardbound book spine, or they're really incompetent and didn't play test their product to realize you can't make a map book if the map doesn't lay flat. Any could be the case!

 frankelee wrote:
This point has me really intrigued. The image clearly shows the book does not have a spiral bound spine, yet every traditional book spine does NOT work for map books. That's why all my Loke map books and Jaws of the Lion have spiral bound. So that means one of three things: it's a bad prototype photo, they've discovered some fascinating new technology to make it work with a hardbound book spine, or they're really incompetent and didn't play test their product to realize you can't make a map book if the map doesn't lay flat. Any could be the case!

It's not quite true that traditional bindings don't work for map books. There are a variety of what are known as 'lay flat' bindings, which are suitable. Those that look most like traditional books typically involve a separate strip of paper or fabric inside the spine, that the pages are adhered to, rather than directly to the spine itself. This paper or fabric can flex, allowing the pages to open fully. This is most effective if the pages are also made of relatively thick, heavy paper. It's most effective for the middle third or so of the book. The issue with the pages close to either end is that the two sides of the book simply end up different heights, although they pages will stay lay fairly flat in principle.

Or people are reading into a poor picture and they really did just make one board...

It might be a poor image, but I wouldn't take that as a blank check to claim nothing could be seen in it. People who can't see the models clearly setting on a book probably are due for a trip to the opthalmologist more than the speculation has gone too far.


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And lay flat binding is exactly what I was talking about! I should have phrased it better, I didn't mean GW would invent anything new, but would find a neat answer. They like to look fancier and different than other companies, using that for a map book would be completely on brand. And the weirdly prominent book spine in the admittedly blurry photo matches that exactly.

There are plenty of childrens books printed on heavy card stock that lie flat when opened. It's a well established technology.

I guess the wider point is that this sort of approach with map books is now quite common (it's used in the Mandalorian game, Tidal Blades 2, Jaws of the Lion and others).

They've all be spiral bound, I'd be surprised if they were doing it that way if a cheaper and equally good option existed. Though that doesn't mean GW wouldn't do it different for the sake of it.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9tnvytgp/grizzled-duardin-explorer-drolf-ironhead-sets-out-for-warhammer-quest-darkwater/




A classic Dwarf ranger mini. The beard is painted weird, but I'm sure it'll look fine in the hands of others.

Yeah, the beard is throwing me off lol

Guess Gelgus is the big bad of the game

Love the coil of rope. Might be a daft thing, but really sets the model off for me.

GW, please give us a dwarf or duardin ranger unit like Drolf