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 Tamereth wrote:


The steel legion reveal is obviously a panicked reaction to the feedback of the last week. I'd bet Somebody drew that design sketch last night!

Literally says copyright 2025 in the lower left corner.

Its amazing to me how many people dont comprehend the very obvious marketing strategy tjat GW employs. There was no panic reaction, this was always the plan, the only way this wpuldnt have been the plan is if people dgaf that the steel legion were nowhere to be seen and management went "theres not enough demand to justify investment".

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Love the Red Terror model, but yeah, the 'tanks' have certainly moved to WW2.
(Photo of my Bolt Action models)

Mate, you should have a look at the Saladin armored car. The armored car has a very real real world inspiration, and its not the Puma.

I hope the half track has an option for a tarp or a roof. I hate painting interiors.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I hope the half track has an option for a tarp or a roof. I hate painting interiors.

They did mention during the stream that it has the option for a 'roof'.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I hope the half track has an option for a tarp or a roof. I hate painting interiors.

Yeah they said in the reveal stream it has a roof "if your Guard regiment came from somewhere like Armageddon where an open top would be bad" or something so yeah definitely.

I don't have a problem with the half-track. Fits the Guard nicely and to be fair you can't really do an artillery tractor from WW1 without it looking too civilian. I would agree that it should look a bit thicker? Bit more armour plating.

The IFV I'm just not a fan of, the 6 wheeler look is too modern. That's a step away from the aesthetic I'm less of a fan of. I'll still buy them but I'm giving them tracks instead.

People made STLs for the Dorn Hole, I'm sure they'll make a roof for this

The half track is pretty much exactly a german sd.kfz 251. Staggeringly lazy.

Oh I guess the track part is closer to an M3 but yeah the front half is pure panzergrenadier, baby.

 Olthannon wrote:


The IFV I'm just not a fan of, the 6 wheeler look is too modern. That's a step away from the aesthetic I'm less of a fan of. I'll still buy them but I'm giving them tracks instead.

I hear you, but the Saladin armored car is from 1954 so I uh... don't hear you too loudly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvis_Saladin

The upside is you don't have to wait for GW ro release the models. You can print today your choice of probably a dozen different sculpts of 40k halftracks and saladins.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:
Yeah I'm not really getting where all the "WW2? In MY Imperial Guard!?!" sentiment is coming from. Guard has always been a mishmash of 19th-20th century warfare.

I think the problem is there's no 40k spin on it. Take the guardsman off the two new vehicles and they're indistinguishable from a historical vehicle to anyone who isn't well-versed in the minutiae of Second World War vehicles. Previous IG vehicles have taken clear inspiration but had a 40k twist, often involving some anachronistic, slightly inefficient additions or modification. These just don't have that.

The Adepticon reveals feel a little underwhelming to me overall. I still don't think GW are very good at these types of shows in general. The Skaven minis are cool, but not for a game I play. While an interesting concept, I genuinely thought the Xenos Inquisitor was an AoS model. 11th edition reveal should probably have come with more model reveals - it's not like it was a big shock when they announced it, though IU appreciate that they did give overviews of some of the rules changes.

11th Edition has several months yet to go before its life. Teasing out the releases bit by bit over the next few months is the right thing to do. GW can take their time with it and build up the hype around it.

The fact that you're already wanting to see more and demanding it means its marketing working just as it should.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The upside is you don't have to wait for GW ro release the models. You can print today your choice of probably a dozen different sculpts of 40k halftracks and saladins.

Yep. For example - Mortian (who used to work for FW) has both:



It's a bit weird that GW have reused the Centaur name - we now have the Carrier/Tractor and the new Rapid Strike Vehicle

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:


The IFV I'm just not a fan of, the 6 wheeler look is too modern. That's a step away from the aesthetic I'm less of a fan of. I'll still buy them but I'm giving them tracks instead.

I hear you, but the Saladin armored car is from 1954 so I uh... don't hear you too loudly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvis_Saladin

I think I said in another comment to someone elsewhere, is the 1950s too late for the Guard?

And a fine figure of an armoured car the Saladin is as well. Big thick and blocky. I think the Hippogrif is a bit too svelte and that's where my modern whinge comes from. Owen Rees paratrooper Guard from the old WD Tale of 4 Gamers I really liked. Exact same set up just a bit more bulk.

I dunno just my take. I'm hoping knocking a couple of caterpillars under instead will make me love it.




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beast_gts wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The upside is you don't have to wait for GW ro release the models. You can print today your choice of probably a dozen different sculpts of 40k halftracks and saladins.

Yep. For example - Mortian (who used to work for FW) has both:

Spoiler:

It's a bit weird that GW have reused the Centaur name - we now have the Carrier/Tractor and the new Rapid Strike Vehicle

Spoiler:

There's what 3 maybe 4 different Guard vehicles that have all used the name Centaur. At least a Halftrack sort of makes sense as a weird hybrid.

Is the Inquisitor's mount the same thing Gorkamorka Muties had?

Man that cut-rate Fortress of Arrogance is laughable. They literally LITERALLY had Yarrick right there. They fething gave him a new sculpt an all. But nope. Lets give some new blow-in commissar the snazzed up pimp mobile to tool around in.



I like the Hippogriffs though. A tidy little addition to the Imperial Guard vehicle pool. I think they'd look rather good alongside their larger Leman Russ and Chimera brothers.

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-sp-mv-231-albrecht-av-274101

How long until copystrike for imitating GW tho

 ClockworkZion wrote:


Eh, this was the original Centaur,

No, that's actually the second Centaur, this is the original:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:
To think that the Guard are just WW1 and so WW2 is out of place you have to ignore 80% of the model range and 99% of the fluff ever produced for the Guard.

Russ, Chimera and Baneblade, the three chassis that defined the look of armoured components of the IG are all clearly inspired by British WW1 designs. Supplementary content produced by FW is, almost without exception, WW1 inspired, or altered to match the WW1 inspired aesthetic, like the Centaur replacing the more modern Horstmann suspension of the Bren with a Mark 1 inspired setup.

So I'm going to put a question mark on that 80%, unless you can show some receipts.

Thanks for posting the image there.

Those are the conversions I remember from the Journal.

beast_gts wrote:


It's a bit weird that GW have reused the Centaur name - we now have the Carrier/Tractor and the new Rapid Strike Vehicle

Spoiler:

It's not the first time. FW used to have a Dark Eldar Razorwing fighter-bomber, but that name was recycled for the plastic Dark Eldar fighter.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Cogfort and the rest of Cities steal this show for sure

The other reveals mostly feel phoned in, safe, unexciting, like the sculptors did the bare minimum to meet the design brief.

Really? Even the Inquisitor with the weird alien horse?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Love the Red Terror model, but yeah, the 'tanks' have certainly moved to WW2.
(Photo of my Bolt Action models)

Mate, you should have a look at the Saladin armored car. The armored car has a very real real world inspiration, and its not the Puma.

more like the M38 Wolfhound as this fits the US heme better

Cogsforts are certainly super cool. I have zero desire to own or play one, but they absolutely nailed the design.

Beyond that, starter box looks like it'll be great and as an DW/Ork player an easy buy. Wazdakka looks fantastic and is 100% my thing. Sadly the Battalions are both terrible for me but its not like I need more stuff (other than Defkoptas). Not for me, but Red Terror and Guard stuff look great.

Gameplay wise, I'm not sure. Double half detachments has potential. Objective terrain can be fine though tying objectives to detachments is super concerning. It's going to suck if whole groups of models don't work because they can't score effectively. 15" of shooting protection feels utterly game warping and I'll be very curious to see where that goes. Overall happy its a lighter change but a bit concerned I won't like it as much as 10th.

 kodos wrote:
For the longest time 40k was WW1 in space, from gameplay/tactics up to aesthetic of fighting with swords and armour against machine guns

Ah yes, the famous trench maps of 3rd edition [/sarcasm]

40k has always leaned more towards urban combat that fits WW2 more WW1. Also you ignored the dash of Napoleonics old 40k mixed in too.


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 Platuan4th wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


Eh, this was the original Centaur,

No, that's actually the second Centaur, this is the original:

I stand corrected. And now everyone complaining about the Hippogryph can enjoy how wrong they are to say it's "too modern".

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Ah yes, the famous trench maps of 3rd edition [/sarcasm]

Trench warfare is certainly the most dramatised part of WW1, but it certainly isn't the entirety or even majority of WW1 warfare, so that's a bit of a swing and a miss.

guess because it is the only part where the US army was involved and therefore the only thing that really counts (city fighting never happened because the US was not part of it)

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Ah yes, the famous trench maps of 3rd edition [/sarcasm]

Trench warfare is certainly the most dramatised part of WW1, but it certainly isn't the entirety or even majority of WW1 warfare, so that's a bit of a swing and a miss.

It's the most famous and most dramatized part of it that people would recognize as being unique to WW1, meanwhile urban combat isn't unique to WW1 so that's a swing and a miss to call the combat "WW1" just because urban combat is part of the game play.

I dont like that much the aesthetic of neumatics on guard vehicles but at the same time I think its fine to have more variety in imperial guard vehicles so people can use the ones they like more for their regiments.

Maybe those vehicles don't sit well with krieg but are better for Elysians or Tallarn, etc...

Personally, I feel those half-tracks fit better with Krieg than the other two Guard transports and can't wait to get my hands on some.

 Galas wrote:
I dont like that much the aesthetic of neumatics on guard vehicles but at the same time I think its fine to have more variety in imperial guard vehicles so people can use the ones they like more for their regiments.

Maybe those vehicles don't sit well with krieg but are better for Elysians or Tallarn, etc...

Honestly Krieg in half tracks fits just fine to me. It's not WW1, but they popped up in the interwar period and early WW1, so I think they're an interesting early APC that doesn't feel off for Krieg's WW1 Western Front vibe.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
It's the most famous and most dramatized part of it that people would recognize as being unique to WW1, meanwhile urban combat isn't unique to WW1 so that's a swing and a miss to call the combat "WW1" just because urban combat is part of the game play.

I... think I get what you're saying? But who said 40k used a WW1 warframe framework because of urban combat?