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TBH I'm really not bothered about this at all. I've had one KS that just completely disappeared that I've lost a fair amount of money on, another that has had the board game in the shops for months now (AvP) without the KS arriving. HQ25 has a long way to go before it drops to that level!
I don't think we've seen a complete model of the mercenary before now, so here it is....
Spoiler:
Seems like a slightly awkward pose, but I like his look and its cool to see another completely different style of weapon. Again, he looks almost identical to the concept artwork they originally released.
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gpires, do you know (or is there anything in the description/comments that mentions) if this is how the finished model will be? Or is this simply a customised version made by Forja y Desvan? I was under the impression that the 8 core heroes would be full resin, so the metal staff is surprising. I also imagine that the pose would really get in the way when there are several miniatures around.
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Gamezone have already added metal parts to the female elf. She has a metal hand and dagger.
Metal parts are added where necessary for resilience. As Gamezone know what they are doing with regards to miniatures production, as far as I see it I will bow to their expertise on that matter. If that pose is their artistic vision, I will go with it. They have rarely been wrong on style so far. If that arm and staff needs not to be made of resin, so be it.
There is still a chance the metal is just a temporary piece while they work on it.
This has for a long time not been an open the box and play within minutes boardgame. For that you want Descent or Dungeon Saga. Heroquest 25th weill be like opening up a miniatures wargames core set.
Frankly it is better this way. It isn't Heroquest, a child's boardgame. Its a high art re-imagining of Heroquest, for the sort of adult miniatures hobbyist who buys premium resin miniatures.
And we get it at a discount in return for a lot of extra items, quality and waiting.
Individual miniatures made of different materials will be present, assembly is required. Cleaning and preparation care is required. These minis are not designed to be used unpainted, not really. The red stained resin is just a throwback.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Gorechild wrote: gpires, do you know (or is there anything in the description/comments that mentions) if this is how the finished model will be? Or is this simply a customised version made by Forja y Desvan? I was under the impression that the 8 core heroes would be full resin, so the metal staff is surprising.
No explanation is given anywhere. Even when questioned in the comments, Forja y Desvan only say that the video contains all the info they can give.
Orlanth wrote: These minis are not designed to be used unpainted, not really. The red stained resin is just a throwback.
I don't agree with you on this, Orlanth .
The whole point of the red, green, white, grey and purple resin for the basic box was to allow play with unpainted minis.
That way you could clearly see the heroes, goblins, skellies, vampires, etc... and not just a bunch of grey stuff on the board.
Only the extras where supposed to be grey and with possible metal parts
To make a red mini with a metal arm is complete nonsense.
If people will be forced to paint it because of the metal arm why not leave it grey, but on the other hand this exact model was seen before without any metal.
Also this was not an issue before, the barbarian as a long and thin sword, the male wizard as a similar staff...
I really don't know what to think of this.
Maybe they are running out of time and have all the available machines (resin and metal) working in parallel to speed up production.
As usual Gamezone doesn't seem to work by the same logical patterns than the rest of the world.
Forja Y Desvan gets hand me down mins from Gamezone. This could be one of the prototypes, and they just boxed it for him. It qwould make sense to send an old prototype rather than a production mini that can go in a retail or backers box.
Also Gamezone have confirmed that some pieces will be metal. Paladina's sword for instance.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Again, one of the 8 core heroes seems to have metal components which is worrying, but I really like the model. I really hope the version that we had seen previously is actually one of the 15 additional heroes, because both are really nice. Fingers crossed this won't be replacing the previous design.
I'm definitely not a fan of the red resin and metal combo, but at least this elf looks somewhat better than the female wizard.
Hopefully this won't be noticeable after the minis are properly painted.
Have any of you guys had minis made of different materials before?
What are the cons (if any) when comparing to all resin or all metal minis?
Working with models made of two different materials isn't really a problem in my experience.
The only time using two materials is inconvenient is when gluing plastic on metal instead of plastic on plastic, as you are forced to use superglue instead of plastic glue. But plastic glue isn't really an option with resin figures, so sticking resin to metal will have little difference compared to resin on resin. This is assuming there aren't any large heavy metal components such as the gargoyles wings, but arms, swords or the occasional shield should be absolutely fine.
Apart from the extra weight, and the fact that it ruins the unpainted look of the model, the only issue is the fact that it is harder to remove flash and mould lines on metal than it is with resin.
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Some of the early Mantic efforts were pretty painful to build. I think there was some shrinkage so you had to get stuck in with some green stuff. Hopefully Game Zones approach to QC will be better.
Has anybody seen or heard anything about this recently? All of my usual sources of updates are showing absolutely nothing, it's gone eerily quiet again.
It has been nearly 4 months since anything official came out, so based on their track record, we should probably expect another 'final' deadline for confirming our orders some time soon
Andreas, I would have serious doubts about them being able to pull that off, but I would love it to be true!
Regarding the vampire... Orlanth used to post in this thread almost daily, yet it's almost been a month since he last said anything. This leads me to believe that he's either been busy and unable to get the models painted, or that he's not going to bother any more.
Judging by the fact that he's finding time to post elsewhere on Dakka, but hasn't dropped in here to explain the delay, I'm guessing it's the latter. Which is a shame.
The main problem is that I have been an still am rather unwell.
I am away from home again, and didn't get enough done in the two weeks I was back home with the models. A bit embarrassing really.
Been posting on Dakka alot, but ignoring this topic for the above reasons. All this was a good idea at the time
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Thanks well here's what Google Translate says until we can get a Spanish speaker to go through it
In short there may be an update near Christmas or January the game will not be available 17/02/16 as reported by some German retailers no word on when it will be done just it will be done when it's done.
Spoiler:
09/12/2015 VISIT gamezone
Good morning to all! How is it possible that ye have heard somewhere, actually, I went to gamezone this morning to talk to Dionisio Rubio Gil, owner of gamezone to answer a series of questions that are on the minds of all patrons and presales. So without further ado, I will relate the visit proceed. I hope at least we softened a little hope to have some information.
I reached this morning and Dionisio gamezone (which reminded me of the last time I went in August) has served me well and rapidly. It has made me into his office in the workshop and I've told the reason for my visit.
First, I have said that I have been due to the lack of official information provided gamezone and so great unease that is generating community forums and Facebook this lack of information, to give some light to the people is waiting. I have to say that obviously caught her ways away and was pretty busy, so I said that if it was not a good time, I could come back another day. He said that his was that it had to be called one day and told him that we have already tried several times through my friend xxxx xxxx xxxx, but we had not managed to contact, so I went in person. To this I replied that since I was there, I was not going to tell me to come back another day and was very nice telling me to ask what I want would attend. I wonder if he went as an individual or on behalf of any forum and told him that the two things, as I'm on several forums and Facebook on the topic and I would post it asked us to comment as I did last time. What's more, the update is printed with all I did in August to deliver it by hand to Dionisio for him to see that he had not invented anything and I tried to be as unbiased as possible, trying not to give personal opinions in the update.
I have to say, I did 7 updates in August and was quite impressed by the retentive I had everything that we discussed the last time was read. Then remove the battery of questions that led to a folder and began the interview.
I told him that the questions were personal as well removed from the questions many Forero did in his comments to give the highest possible response.
1. OFFICIAL UPDATES. WHEN? PROOF THAT WE WILL BE A "MEGA UPDATE" OF ALL THAT IS DONE IN THE PROJECT AND THE MISSING. SOMETHING to say?
Dionisio said it was aware of the delay in the issue of upgrades and takes time and planning and executing a major update due out shortly. (When?). You can not say, and have made videos, photos and several comments by a group that is responsible for the update. They have been seeing is a lot of content for a single update, so although it is one, they will split. As contained in the update, I will reveals that people playing video HeroQuest as a sign of how the game. Expect the update out at Christmas, but can not be sure because they depend on the upgrade is completed, gradually drawing, which can take us to January 2016. I reiterated that it intends to remove at Christmas so there is official news at that time, but can not be sure.
2. Is HYPE flooding NEGATIVE SOCIAL NETWORKS?
Yes, it is aware and understands perfectly. Knows that this is produced exclusively for their responsibility and understand that people are in their right, normal looks that is generating this bad feeling, is therefore expected to update calm some information needs of the people. (At this point I have discussed the burofax there are groups ready and that will probably come soon, as well as jokes that span the network, such that every time someone defends gamezone, Dionisio sacrifice a kitten) I said it burofax sees the exaggerated, however, also understands perfectly for the record and kitty he has taken with humor. He says that only kills dolphins to eat, which is not only for hunting. (As I say, it is in the tone of humor, do not carry forth tip). (Also discuss her about a comment from a Darkstone Forero commented that the game had bought for his son and asked if this was going to get the game, the father said no and told him that the child was it delivered kings. His father wanted him to understand that if not done the game, the Kings can not bring him and the boy replied that What do you mean? Kings are magicians, do so and to bring it) Then I I answered most serious that could hopefully do as the Magi and have it ready to send at Christmas. Who understands that is your responsibility and you are doing everything possible, but already he wished he could send to that parent.
3. AWARE OF ARTICLES OF THE PRESS AND HARTOS.ORG ABC? ¿OPINION ABOUT IT AND MEASURES?
If, on record and when he knew it, he got in touch with his lawyer to inform him of the measures to be taken. I said that after reviewing the matter, the ABC newspaper article was not in print, but on the website of the newspaper and the computer section, the wording seems made by a scholar who have ordered you a I work for which he was not qualified and has mixed HeroQuest in this. (Measures?) For no. After talking to his lawyer, he commented that there was a deadline to inform the drafting of ABC they made an amendment, which also have a timetable for publishing and that it could take legal action, but as it was written on article, did not have much sense, because although metia to gamezone in the same package crowfundings scam, the reality is that at any time refer to HeroQuest is a scam and therefore would be a waste of time as far as court he means.
4. FINAL DATE PROJECT?
No. You can not give any definite date. As in previous communications with, he insists he does not want to pinch your fingers with a date, because there are many things that can delay the project, and although almost all finished, it can not assure that it will be soon. What's more, it confirms that the HeroQuest not come out at Christmas, it is absolutely secure.
5. is aware of the dates given in gamezone GERMANY?
Yes. And you can not say anything, because as stated in previous communications, gamezone Germany puts the dates they deem appropriate, but has told them as they put a date is unrealistic even comes as far as possible (I reiterate that the date given is 17.2.2016) and I said yes, go as far as possible. It has precisely pending a visit by the Germans, who invited them to come to the factory, to see the level of output in the first person and expected to be surely in this December when they come.
6. The last time said it would be before December, we are in December. SOMETHING to say?
Yes. He is aware that they have not reached the date they had planned. Though he tells me that all the material of the basic game, if they had been quick would have come to December, but only they would come presales, no games for patrons that given the amount of add ons would not have gone and there is still a little. So not to harm patrons have decided to delay the start of presales and make all games and pre patron at a time. Everything will be taken when the level of patrons at the same time runs out. Because the decision to delay the output to pre-sales, have been seen with more time for the finishing touches of the game, that's why not still in print, and he was sent all at once so that production and hence carrying boxes, are made simultaneously.
7. TRANSLATIONS. DO YOU HAVE SENT? What remains? FROM ITALY AND FRANCE we HAVE EVIDENCE THAT HAVE NOT MADE TO GET THE RULES FOR translate.
The translation is done by professionals, which have not yet been sent to the translation sets "geeks" to revise the translation is in the "language" of our little world and overcome the errors that may result in a professional translation. (Why have not sent even if already made?) For as by delaying the delivery of presales have more time while they are completing the add ons of patrons, they will continue to review rules so if there is any significant change They will be translated. The costs of translation will be the penultimate to be made in the latest production and will send it to print.
8. GROUPS OF TESTING? JUMP news that a group of English WAS TESTING RULES. SOMETHING to say?
As? No. That is not so. If it is true that a group of English (Anglo-Saxon, he says), has played a game of HeroQuest, but that was no testing, it was as part of the update that I previously commented. They are those who will in updating playing HeroQuest oriented English. That's why this is a group of whites, residents in Spain, which have played HeroQuest 25. But it has nothing to do with the testing rules. That part of the upgrade, as is a video that needs further comments and such, I still is not done by this group to take care of the update are in it.
9. IF ALL THE PATRON be sent GAME AT THE SAME TIME, foreign and domestic ... We must understand that there is still FABRIC LIGHT OF THE RULES, LETTERS AND OTHER NOT TRANSLATED in some languages?
The first intention was to send first to the farthest foreign patrons, such as Australia, England and go closer to make a patron recent national shipments, as the idea that travel to other countries takes longer than domestic shipping, arrived almost all patrons at once, both domestic and foreign. But they have seen that this is impossible and has been responsible. That is, the repeated delays in the delivery of the game is well aware and understand that the game has to leave as soon as they arrive for the patrons and presales. That is why we have taken the decision to go under the sending games go by, both foreign and domestic. You know that this is motivated by its responsibility and that people are asking for sending of the games as soon as possible, so they are forced to refuse planning had initially for the games arrive sooner at the hands of who put their money and enthusiasm in the project.
10. PARTIES resin and metal. CHANGE IN THE PROMISED crowfunding. SOMETHING to say?
Yes. The decision to hold parts in metal, is for what he has said in previous communications. Some parts are very fragile in resin and have been obliged to take these metal parts to provide better quality and not bent or proceeding such parties. It is also aware of the uproar caused by this in social networks, but they have not decided now, but only now are pulling together all the pieces of metal production for a reason. It's easier to do it all at once and remove all metal production shut. As an example, I put the cage, which in principle would go resin, but as thin as the bars were not getting a miniature quality and finally had to remove plastic (not metal). He understands that is a variation of crowfunding, but is made with the idea of providing resistance to miniatures, which otherwise would compromise their integrity if the resin bring forth.
11. RUMORS ON POSSIBLE NETWORKS TO LACK OF LIQUIDITY delaying the project, leading to higher expenses for personnel, etc. ... something to say on the subject?
No. On this issue does not want to say anything. No he wants to affirm or deny anything about this, because it can lead to people believe it or not believe it and not willing to give fuel to the speculations of people. (I indicated that this would be something good could comment to give an image of solvency) he insists that I do not want to make any comment. (I indicate that I understand that is his right and if you did not comment on this question) I said no problem in that comment, but that his answer is that it just will not give any information on the accounts of the company.
12. COMPLAINTS TO THE POSITION OF THE PATRON. We are aware that more and more E-mails are sent WHERE THE TONE UP MORE AND MORE AND NOT RECEIVING a concrete answer.
Not only it is aware of the issue, but it teaches me many e-mails you have in your desk that made you get Isabel (again, Isabel exists and is a person of flesh and blood). I answer indicates that all but above all HeroQuest this project is its absolute priority. He shows me emails from people that requires (literally) to send them the same models that are giving gift in presales and tells me what answer to this? These are miniature gift exclusively to pre What I say? There are also people who require them personally specific information that they have not even made public and which repeatedly has refused to provide it, as the date of delivery of the game and also has recorded that as answer them , it published immediately. How do I answer that? My idea is to answer everyone and seek appropriate apologies but once you exit the game, not before. (I tell him what templates the famous reply that Isabel sends them to stakeholders who send mails) I say yes, that's right. There are templates for the role of Elizabeth is making utilies communications for the game, that is, if someone wants to change the dedication, if you have any questions about shipping or expenses, etc ... When Elizabeth asked things for which there has authorization to answer, has a number of templates for communication not stay off and know that the mail has arrived, has been and will be on hand to personally deliver it.
13. ALSO HAVE EVIDENCE THAT IS patrons are increasingly dumping their PLEDGE, selling or TRASPASANDOLOS. SOMETHING TO COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC?
Yes, of course you are aware of this. Not so the presales, because if not nullify or to the pre-ordering that does not arrive because they are outside companies gamezone distribution. At the patron it has very controlled because it is "direct business" say. They are the ones who have first-hand evidence when making any changes to the order. Still, patrons toss their pledge are scarce. While not even reach 1% of all orders (it gives me a figure of last month, but asked me not to tell because they are personal things that affect patrons). Personally it affects you in the sense that there is so little to leave the game when someone sells his pledge affects you because he knows that it is due to the delay leading the project and say something to those who have already taken the decision would be counterproductive, because what if I tell someone and not hold band and the game is delayed? With respect to return the money, he tells me that they have been returning until recently, but at the height where we are, the money from each patron can rest assured that is dedicated exclusively to the production of his patronage and who and what's left is for the last phase of the project. It also is aware that distributors money back with no problem when asked, and that money has not reached gamezone, as delivery is retained until the delivery of the game.
14. thumbnails. WHAT IS DONE? MISSING? HERE I refer to the a list that can easily find forum DarkStone and Chronicle role-playing I make MY FRIEND JOAQUIN LOPEZ, both of which had been in forums, YouTube videos (we all know who I mean) AND the ones we saw on our visit.
You do not want to comment on that. As I indicated, such as production issues, people make their accounts that can be adjusted or not without an in situ production criteria and can encourage the negative hype if some believe that much remains still or doing contrary, supersatisfecha people because there was so little to make, so prefer not to discuss this fact and no. (By the way, it was quite surprised by the very comprehensive list of partner and that he had no record when he saw). Let me drop some thumbnails as Draks, which tells me that this 3D process completed and is in "ribbon" to remove the mold and start production. Active gargoyle is made, both the 3D process and production, is fully completed. The cage also been finished, but ultimately has to be plastic rather than resin. I also indicated that the king's throne gobling have had to redo it again because it was not good. But he will not say anything more about it.
15. PRINT. WHAT IS DONE? MISSING? HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING? HERE I turn to refer to a list that you can also find DarkStone forum and chronic role-playing.
Obviously if you do not want to comment on the thumbnails, less on printing. (Also surprised that there is a list about it on the web). You do not tell me anything about printing. I insist and I finally dropped some things, such as the back of the screen is still not finished because as lead tables and content rules, if there are any changes in them will also have them on the screen. It tells me that everything will be in color (both rules, such as adventure books, letters, etc ...) in the game will not be anything in black and white. It will not have illustrations in the rules or in the adventures, I is designed so as functional as possible. If Iran explanatory sketch move rules as thumbnails or as carry out the attacks, etc ... but will not be artitisticas illustrations but explanatory illustrations. I indicates that the rule book is finished (with possible modifications to the errata is the possible minimum) as well as basic book adventures. The book "the mysterious book of Sand" is in development and completion, that is not finished. What if I can say is that the impression is the last thing you do in the game, as it will be the last step before packaging and are all sent to the printer at a time.
16. EXTENSION OF Heroquest 25. ESTIMATED AT crowfunding them out? WHY they EXPECT WHEN? DO YOU GET WHEN WILL IMMEDIATELY HeroQuest or we have to wait a while?
Discard crowfunding not pull in, but the idea is if you can make as much as possible or take them directly without crowfunding if you can. The expansions will be drawn after the game is delivered, but immediately. It has already made part of the first enlargement on ideas, challenges, etc ... but it has not produced anything because the priority is the HeroQuest and delivery as soon as possible. It has several ideas about the extensions and even make a contest in which 5 of the best adventures made by the players themselves and are voted on the internet can get as enlargement. I indicated that the idea (which is what I had), is not to make an extension of thumbnails or rules, but provide more depth to the world of HeroQuest 25, so pay more attention to the background, maps and games that changes in rules or thumbnails. But these are ideas that do not take place until the delivery of the game.
17. STELLAR CRUSADE. WHY WAIT WHEN? Will he AFTER THE EXTENSION OR BE A PARALLEL TO THIS PROJECT?
The stellar cross is a project of the same scale as the HeroQuest 25, so that in the experience of this game will be easier to produce than the HeroQuest 25. The idea is to have ready and definitely done everything they can before of it out to crowfunding, but this will in crowfunding because if it is a large project and needed cash injection to finish it. What if it will be done in parallel with the expansion of HeroQuest 25? I do not rule, it can be perfectly parallel, as more oriented expansions will go into the background and depth of the world of HeroQuest 25 than production itself, which would leave production space for the stellar cross. Although this will not be immediate, because first you have to have reservations online store party or miniatures HeroQuest if someone wants to buy somewhere that is broken or a thumbnail that interests you. Therefore, first reserves to be conducted HeroQuest stores and then started with the project prime crusade.
Dionisio then showed me the tiller has been finished molds but still has not begun to scale production. He showed me a discard Tiller resin which had ruled that the nose of the same did not comply well (it was true). The scales out from the nose and circle and was very artificial, that was solved and already have the final design. Tiller size is more or less more than a quarter and the width can be about two centimeters and a half.
For skeptics, let them know that this time, Dionysius did not offer me any thumbnail and neither the pedi, although it was with the idea that if I the offer reject, as my intention is to get information, not thumbnails. He was not given the case, but hey, so you know some who criticized us for taking the last time five miniatures.
Well, so far my visit to gamezone. As you can see in the update, I have not included any personal opinion (or at least I tried) about it. I tried to be as concise as possible about the conversation we had not to feed the hype in one way or another. And each draw their own conclusions about what was discussed and I hope you have enjoyed the questions and the way I write, because I am no journalist and the truth is that I have a hard enough.
Just say that encouragement and hope that we do not wait very long at all.
Greetings to all who have trusted me.
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Despite the fact that it doesn't say anything new and is basically just a rewording of the interviews we saw 6+ months ago, its nice to know they're still alive and at least claiming to be getting things done.
I really wish they would just focus on the core game and rules and ship that to everyone. Then the stretch goals/second mission book etc could just be sent out in a separate box once they're complete, sort of like an expansion. Sure it would mean printing an extra box for each level 3 backer, but it would make it a more practical size and at least allow them to start making some money.
More news from a visit to Gamezone, this time in english and by someone called Kraken.
If I'm not mistaken this is the same Kraken that was involved in very first kickstarter attempt for HQ25
He claims to have just been hired to handle PR for this project.
This should improve GZ's communication a least a bit, because there is no way it could be worse.
There is some non-official confirmation on this by the french translator that said he just finished translating Kraken's first message (presumably this one).
Slinky wrote: Very nice - Is that included in the game?
Possibly, but we can't be certain because the core game includes one Ogre model and the stretch goals add the second one. Theres no indication which sculpt this is, but if you've backed for a level 3 game, I assume you'll be getting this. If you backed level 1 or 2 (or are buying it at retail), then I guess there is a 50-50 chance you'll get this particular sculpt.
I agree. I don't really mind about the metal parts with the additional heroes, but I don't see the point in dying the heroes from the core box if they are going to have some metal components. It forces you to paint them, which means you won't see the dye anyway and more importantly, puts the basic game beyond the reach of any causal players that don't want to have to paint.
Regarding the gargoyle, assume this is the 'active gargoyle' and the one on the pedestal is the inactive one.
No you can't, but you can pre order the base game. However I'm sure someone would sell you their pledge if you look hard enough (I know I would sell mine).
Sorry migooo, you're two years late! But as 455_PWR said, you can preorder the basic game from gamezones website if you don't mind missing out on the stretch goals and additional heroes
As we have seen the models of the barb, dwarf and wizard already (videos linked in this thread), might I suggest people vote for the Elf? Will be interesting to see if we get any insight into how the models will perform in-game, or if it will literally just be the models.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Interesting to note that the artwork for some of the heroes has changed since the 'additional heroes' update.
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