Hadn't seen this in the forum and thought it might be worth mentioning (appologies if it has been covered).

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-monthly-white-dwarf-magazine-is-dead.html

Apparently it will be replaced by a weekly magazine called "White Dwarf Visions" and a monthly one called "Warhammer Visions".

About 15 years ago, I would be in mourning, calling for immediate action to save an institution. I've not picked up or read a White Dwarf in about 5 years, with the exception of the 'new, reimagined' one and that was such a miserable rag that I spend all of 3 minutes looking at it.

White Dwarf was dead and buried long, long ago.

Who, with access to the internet, honestly gives a gak?

My expectations are very low after hearing this.

Well I guess this is what this http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/572246.page

mystery rumour of something big hitting on the 11th was going to be

I can't see a weekly (paper) magazine doing anything unless it's very, very cheap

As to a re-focused monthly warhammer vision? I can't really see how they can re-focus if they don't want to put rules/game ideas etc in the mag any more (unless they've changed their minds again)

Well, I've got nothing to say about this but I am certainly going to think that getting rid of such an iconic part of 'the GW hobby' is a bad sign very, very loudly.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well I guess this is what this http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/572246.page

mystery rumour of something big hitting on the 11th was going to be

I can't see a weekly (paper) magazine doing anything unless it's very, very cheap

As to a re-focused monthly warhammer vision? I can't really see how they can re-focus if they don't want to put rules/game ideas etc in the mag any more (unless they've changed their minds again)

From my own source, what is happening is that the new release stuff goes into the weekly magazine, whilst the Painting guides, Armies on Parade and so-on stays in the monthly mag, which is going to 240 odd pages.

According to my source, it will be going up to ~$20 AU, will have a yearly subscription, and if for some reason you have a WD subscription it will tick over into the new monthly mag, but not the weekly one. I can additionally confirm the new names.

Well, even having seen what WD has become in recent years, it'll still be a shame to see it go.

Relaunching as two separate publications could be good, though after the recent advent DLC frenzy I'm not sure they'd be willing to put much content in there free of charge. All depends on who's in the driving seat of the change.

$20 for a WD straining harder for content with a weekly filter on it? :/

They've announced the funeral for WD finally. They kept his body in state for a long time.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They've announced the funeral for WD finally. They kept his body in state for a long time.

Its sounds as though this is nothing but a name change and the usual price rise. Warhammer Visions is almost certain to be just as worthless as White Dwarf.

They couldn't fill a massive magazine with enough actual content on a monthly basis, what makes them think they can do a weekly book and then a monthly one on top of that?

How does this go with people that just bought a yearly subscription?

I look forward to GW having to refund a lot of people...

For that reason alone surely this is bogus?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Who, with access to the internet, honestly gives a gak?

If today's WD had the stuff I can find in my archive issues from over 10 years ago, I'd buy it, internet or not.

Wow, they're ending WD. Never thought I'd see the day, though it is a poor catalogue substitute these days.

Also, I'm sure "This is great news!"

 Medium of Death wrote:
How does this go with people that just bought a yearly subscription?

I look forward to GW having to refund a lot of people...

For that reason alone surely this is bogus?

I'd expect that their preferred solution would be to carry the credit over to the new monthly magazine, for a shorter period if the price is higher, failing that a refund / store credit should also be available.

I'm sure it'll all be detailed in the new release for it.

As the kewl kiddies on the Internet say - "Meh."

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Who, with access to the internet, honestly gives a gak?

If today's WD had the stuff I can find in my archive issues from over 10 years ago, I'd buy it, internet or not.

Agreed - if WD was anything like it was back in the day, I'd keep buying it.

Like others though, If they can't fill a magazine with decent stuff now, then what is the point in doing away with WD & replacing it with another mag?

I'd like to think that this is going to be good, but I can't help thinking it's just calling the same turd a different name.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
White Dwarf was dead and buried long, long ago.

GW have only themselves to blame. But they won't.

prankster wrote:
Relaunching as two separate publications could be good...

Hang on a sec. You do know which company we're talking about here, right?

Seems a bit odd to me, especially as WD just brought on 3 new members of staff and Andrew Kendrick left. I don't think it sounds that bad really. Although a weekly mag for new releases might mean a shift in release form all at once to staggered over the month.

(edit) I just renewed my iPad sub this month so I will be intrigued to see how that is handled.

 Medium of Death wrote:
How does this go with people that just bought a yearly subscription?

I look forward to GW having to refund a lot of people...

For that reason alone surely this is bogus?

Having dealt with this issue myself in the past, they will most likely transfer old subs into the new magazine. Assuming the rumor is true.

So; will my next codex be split into two different 230 pages strong Warhammer visions magazines, or into four weekly White Dwarf issues ? Or digital-only again ? The suspense is killing me !

[edit]I guess it's going to be split in 1 Warhammer Vision issue and 3 White Dwarf issues, but only on the digital version of those magazines, so I can get the best of both world, and then some more ![/edit]

I for one am shocked, SHOCKED by this news.

I'd assumed WD stopped publishing years ago.

Old wine/New bottle.

Why would i pay twenty dollars for a magazine, whilst on sites like these i can find
video review/painting guides
modelling diaries
battle reports
terrain
alternative manufacturers
and not to mention lots of various and interesting hobby projects/armies from interesting people.

Most of which are of excellent quality and include many other bits and pieces from alternative manufacturers.

Not also that the content online is free from the narrow constricted way in which GW presents the hobby through their media

 Krellnus wrote:

From my own source, what is happening is that the new release stuff goes into the weekly magazine, whilst the Painting guides, Armies on Parade and so-on stays in the monthly mag, which is going to 240 odd pages.

If true, this could be big... I think everyone is missing the implications here.

Firstly the simple bit, the monthly mag looks like it will no longer be a catalog. If so that can only be a good thing. I'm hoping what this means is they are going back to what they tried to do with the relaunch, but failed to. Possibly management stopping editorial and writing staff slipping back in to lazy writing, as they did with the relaunch, by taking that maitirial out of the publication all together? Fingers crossed, but I am not hopeful.

Secondly, this means must be removing the LotR/Hobbit stuff from the monthly mag, just due to the name...

Thirdly, and most importantly, won't the weekly mag having the new releases mean they are moving away from the monthly "Release Saturday" and giving us weekly releases?

When I read the thread title, I thought it was great news, because it meant they were going to stop putting money and staff time into crap that nobody wants and concentrate more on producing actual content in the form of rulebooks and supplements.

But apparently they've found a way to be even more pointless.

Perfect Organism wrote:
When I read the thread title, I thought it was great news, because it meant they were going to stop putting money and staff time into crap that nobody wants and concentrate more on producing actual content in the form of rulebooks and supplements.

But apparently they've found a way to be even more pointless.

You think they run WD at a loss?

GW have sold pretty much 'pure' catalogues from their very early days such as the Citadel Compendiums

eg http://www.solegends.com/citcomp1/


(with helpful holes punched in at some point if I remember right)

 Breotan wrote:

prankster wrote:
Relaunching as two separate publications could be good...

Hang on a sec. You do know which company we're talking about here, right?

Indeed, hence the rest of the sentence. Though having seen what WD has been like previously, there is always the hope that they'll manage to drag themselves back to something approaching that level of content. If they do, it'll be delicious. If they don't, then we're not really loosing much.

And I bet each rag will only be available direct from gw stores.

Is can see the weekly one being dlc only .and with the removal of the new release stuff from the monthly one it now frees up deadlines allowing them just to concentrate on game reviews and fluff (ie reprinted stuff from previous wd)

just spotted putative prices via http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=98034

3.2 Euros each for the weekly (£2.60, $4.40)

10 Euros each for the monthly (£8.30 , $13.60)

The German site also mentions that all current subscribers will be getting a letter through the post about it since the new monthly magazine will require a price change.

They have lost me as a subscriber then. I don't care how good the putative new monthly magazine is - no way I am paying double the price and nearly £9 for a magazine...

Warhammer Visions is a terrible name for the new monthly mag.

What idiot in charge at GW decided that scrapping their 30-year legacy would be a good idea?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
just spotted putative prices via http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=98034

3.2 Euros each for the weekly (£2.60, $4.40)

10 Euros each for the monthly (£8.30 , $13.60)

Wow. That's quite a price increase; quite firmly beyond the "I'll get one to see how bad it is" range.

On the other hand, from what they said in the original rumor it is a steep page increase and a removal of all the 'ads' from the visions one. So more content, less 'buy this mini!'.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They couldn't fill a massive magazine with enough actual content on a monthly basis, what makes them think they can do a weekly book and then a monthly one on top of that?

Maybe they've done the decent thing and farmed out the GW magazine to someone who knows how to produce a proper mag. And anyway, it's not like there isn't tons of great stuff they can put in it, only reason WD got so bad was management's decision to employ people who can't make a magazine, and then tell them to only print ads...

Yeah, the removing the ads part is what makes me so suspect of this rumor. Would they really ever remove the ads?

A 230 page magazine every month? That seems unlikely.

 pretre wrote:
On the other hand, from what they said in the original rumor it is a steep page increase and a removal of all the 'ads' from the visions one. So more content, less 'buy this mini!'.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/games-workshop/games-workshops-white-dwarf-magazine-changing/

Suggests its little more than current white dwarf, lots of 'high quality pictures' , although they have it tagged as a similar cost to the current mag.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Well, I've got nothing to say about this but I am certainly going to think that getting rid of such an iconic part of 'the GW hobby' is a bad sign very, very loudly.

This! It is a bad sign. What can we expect next?

NoggintheNog wrote:

 pretre wrote:
On the other hand, from what they said in the original rumor it is a steep page increase and a removal of all the 'ads' from the visions one. So more content, less 'buy this mini!'.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/games-workshop/games-workshops-white-dwarf-magazine-changing/

Suggests its little more than current white dwarf, lots of 'high quality pictures' , although they have it tagged as a similar cost to the current mag.

Keep in mind that BoW is using the original Natfka story as the source. So the embellishment he adds does not actually come from anywhere real. Standard BOW kind of stuff.

 pretre wrote:

NoggintheNog wrote:

 pretre wrote:
On the other hand, from what they said in the original rumor it is a steep page increase and a removal of all the 'ads' from the visions one. So more content, less 'buy this mini!'.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/games-workshop/games-workshops-white-dwarf-magazine-changing/

Suggests its little more than current white dwarf, lots of 'high quality pictures' , although they have it tagged as a similar cost to the current mag.

Keep in mind that BoW is using the original Natfka story as the source. So the embellishment he adds does not actually come from anywhere real. Standard BOW kind of stuff.

He isnt using the story as a source, hes saying what his contacts have confirmed after he dug into this after the story broke. I have never seen them make stuff up at any point in their history, so I'm not entirely sure where this comes from.

Judging by the name, Warhammer Visions, I expect it to be lean on words and heavy on model pictures and art work... Which is fine with me!

I wonder how will the weekly magazine be distributed? Will it be available at all stores as normal? GW stores only? Digital only?

 -DE- wrote:
Judging by the name, Warhammer Visions, I expect it to be lean on words and heavy on model pictures and art work... Which is fine with me!

I wonder how will the weekly magazine be distributed? Will it be available at all stores as normal? GW stores only? Digital only?

''Digital only'' seems to be the policy GW is persuing at the moment.

Its a piece of gak now. Nothing of value will be lost.

Just another nail in the long overdue coffin.

I feel strange. If the new magazine is pure genuine content with increased page count I might just faint. And of course, FLGS means getting it for the price of the current farce.

This time of year is when the new "collection" mags usually start, maybe GW have done a deal similar to the LotR battle games magazine...

 scarletsquig wrote:
What idiot in charge at GW decided that scrapping their 30-year legacy would be a good idea?

This is great news! Now your favorite Hobby™ magazine will no longer carry the heavy burden of living up to all of those old issues! You'll no longer have to be disappointed with every issue and wish for the good old days when our magazine was great! Now you can focus on your favorite part of the Hobby™: buying more Games™ Workshop™ Products™ every week!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They couldn't fill a massive magazine with enough actual content on a monthly basis, what makes them think they can do a weekly book and then a monthly one on top of that?

Unless of course the monthly is just 4-5 issues of the weekly smushed together with some full-page shots of the same studio paintjobs we've all seen a hundred times before.

 wuestenfux wrote:
This! It is a bad sign. What can we expect next?

A bad sign of what? WD was dead for a couple of years now. If anything, removing the rotting corpse is a good first step on a road to offering a worthwhile product again. Not that I expect that Visions thing to be worth it. No expectations, no disappointment.

That is sad news. White dwarf isn't what it once was, don't think anyone will argue with that, but I have still been enjoying it every month.
I know most of you guys have been saying the opposite, but my favourite bit of the current white dwarf is the hobbyists armies. That why I like sites like these, that's why I like the mag. The kit bashing segment is amazing, I just wish they wouldn't limit themselves to 3-4 but do a big old feature with as many as they can find.

Hopefully the new mag will be everything the old white dwarf was - like in the Paul Sawyer years. I also really hope that the £8-9 figure isn't true though, that would be one hell of a joke.

 pretre wrote:
So more content, less 'buy this mini!'.

What is the difference as far as GW is concerned?

I'm optimistic about this. I don't read White Dwarf, so if it gets worse I don't care. Doesn't affect me one bit.

If it gets better (or better yet, good) then I might have a sweet magazine to read. So from my point of view it can only get better.

If it's true.

The Brückenkopf website said that this is not just a rumour but that retailers were officially informed today about this change.

I can't see real content though from the current team under the current GW management. Maybe the list of retailers will be blown up from 11 pages to 25 pages.

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:GW have sold pretty much 'pure' catalogues from their very early days such as the Citadel Compendiums

Not sure if serious. But White Dwarf started as a quite good gaming magazine with reviews of mostly non GW products.

scarletsquig wrote:Warhammer Visions is a terrible name for the new monthly mag.
What idiot in charge at GW decided that scrapping their 30-year legacy would be a good idea?

The same one with the idea to charge more for the White Dwarf, even from current subscribers.
I call the new magazine Fine Dwarf.

H.B.M.C. wrote:They couldn't fill a massive magazine with enough actual content on a monthly basis, what makes them think they can do a weekly book and then a monthly one on top of that?

Someone recently said: There's cynicism, then there's whatever it is you've become as of late. But I guess that's okay with you if it is your cynicism
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450/570012.page#6417013

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

Unless of course the monthly is just 4-5 issues of the weekly smushed together with some full-page shots of the same studio paintjobs we've all seen a hundred times before.

This is almost certain to be the case.

This is unfortunate. I know WD isn't great, and hasn't been in awhile. But every once in awhile I liked to pick one up and look at all the shiny new models. Hopefully "Warhammer Visions" will be decent, but I won't hold my breath.

Hmm, I've got a direct debit subscription, not that I really read the magazines much anymore but I do always have that feeling that, "you know, I *could* want to read it."

I'll probably give this Warhammer Vision (agreed, stupid name) a go, assuming my sub carries over, read it for a couple of months, see if it is worth reading.

If not, then the change gives me a good catalyst to just say screw it and cancel my subscription. - Storing them takes up pretty much all my bookcases in my flat anyhow.

 Compel wrote:
Hmm, I've got a direct debit subscription, not that I really read the magazines much anymore but I do always have that feeling that, "you know, I *could* want to read it."

I'll probably give this Warhammer Vision (agreed, stupid name) a go, assuming my sub carries over, read it for a couple of months, see if it is worth reading.

If not, then the change gives me a good catalyst to just say screw it and cancel my subscription. - Storing them takes up pretty much all my bookcases in my flat anyhow.

See my post earlier. Subs are carrying over - providing you want to cough up the extra that they are going to charge per month.

Thinking about it: Visions sounds like more full page photos and less text.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
About 15 years ago, I would be in mourning, calling for immediate action to save an institution. I've not picked up or read a White Dwarf in about 5 years, with the exception of the 'new, reimagined' one and that was such a miserable rag that I spend all of 3 minutes looking at it.

White Dwarf was dead and buried long, long ago.

Who, with access to the internet, honestly gives a gak?

Think this is just about it.

Sad that the name of the mag is coming to an end, and what that represents, but really the spirit of the magazine passed on years ago.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Thinking about it: Visions sounds like more full page photos and less text.

Nah, they surely wouldn't just collect a load of pictures together that had mainly been printed on (at least one) other occasions? Then charge a premium price for it?

Curious on the subs transferring. Since you subscribe for a given amount of issues and not a value that the issues are deducted from, I wonder for those that may have recently resubscribed if they would be entitled to the new magazine for the remainder of issues they are due regardless of the price increase.

I seem to recall that was what happened in past years if you subscribe. I had a 3 year one time I got at discount and then they raised the prices. I still got all my issues even though I hadn't paid the new cost for them.

Yeah, but when I buy an art book, at least I know I'm buying an art book....

 dsteingass wrote:
Yeah, but when I buy an art book, at least I know I'm buying an art book....

They're kinda making it clear by calling it visions and such. I don't think they are trying to fool anyone with it.

I never renewed my subscription after 2011 because I kept expecting to find innovation, terrain-building, and painting tips and realized I was just being stupid. Jervis' pure arrogance column also left a bad taste in my mouth. However, I did enjoythe occasional John Blanche column.

 pretre wrote:

 dsteingass wrote:
Yeah, but when I buy an art book, at least I know I'm buying an art book....

They're kinda making it clear by calling it visions and such. I don't think they are trying to fool anyone with it.

Quite, I think "Visions" is a clear indicator of what they intend.

It is just weirdly unfocused, as, despite the fact many people do hang on to their old WDs, a monthly publication in most cases would be considered a largely disposable format (piece collections etc aside) while an art book is very obviously a premium product with a commensurate price tag (mostly anyways)

So GW trying to fuse the two would be odd, as would them using an established naming convention for an art book series to produce something with a much broader overview in terms of content.

Just by a quick reckoning, to buy the weekly paper and monthly magazine combined is going to be approaching triple the cost of the monthly WD as it is just now, that is going to need a lot of extra content to justify.

I think whoever said that they want to kill the White Dwarf name in order to eliminate the comparisons has it spot on, and while I won't condemn this until we've had chance to see more of where it leads, I do have a bad feeling about this. (Well, as bad a feeling as someone who has bought about two issues in 15 years is going to get, I guess I mean I certainly don't anticipate starting a subscription anytime soon)

I like White Dwarf. I love the way it's done. I like looking at all the new minis.
I can't see how this rumor is true because they employed new people not so long ago.

Well, the studio, offices, and staff doesn't need to be different to re-brand your product. Corporations do insane stuff like this all the time. An executive is only as good as his/her last quarter. CEOs and Boards don't care about what happened before that, not one bit.

Oh no my poor heart, I can't handle it!

Sike. I'm fine. About time.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They couldn't fill a massive magazine with enough actual content on a monthly basis, what makes them think they can do a weekly book and then a monthly one on top of that?

I was thinking exactly the same thing, if they are canning the Monthly magazine because of lack of sales, what on earth makes them think that 2 equally lacking magazines will do better?.

Who said they were canning WD for lack of sales? Did I miss that?

You rarely can a successful product.

 Theduke07 wrote:
You rarely can a successful product.

Not really canning it though, are they? They are splitting it into two.

 dakkajet wrote:
I like White Dwarf. I love the way it's done. I like looking at all the new minis.
I can't see how this rumor is true because they employed new people not so long ago.

I think we have an illustration of why the decision has been made right here.

You love WD? Fair enough, can't and won't argue with your opinion. But I notice from your profile you only started wargaming last year, and I, guessing from the vernacular in your posts you're not a "white wargamer" who has discovered the hobby late in life.

Assuming these two things are true (and if they're not for you, they will be for many) then you have absolutely no frame of reference for how far the quality of the magazine has fallen, and can't really assess the current form from the same perspective as those of us who have grown up with it over decades.

By changing the name and format, all that history and heritage is wiped out for all the people who get hoovered into the GW machine from this year onwards. Those people will probably like the new publications too (I do find that they're fairly visually appealing, even if it takes me less than half a good gak to read an issue) and if anyone brings up the subject, the Redshirt can simply say that the new thing is better than White Dwarf used to be (hell, there's a chance it might actually be better at this point, you never know)

Don't let any sort of recruitment or staff changes (especially recent ones) fool you either, this will still require a staff pumping out "content" as it does now, and anyone hired in the last year can be cut for no reason at a moments notice anyway, as unfair dismissal laws don't apply in the first 12 months of employment.

I started wargaming in 2003 at the age of 13 with LotR SBG. Back then I thought White Dwarf was bloody fantastic, and it was, relative to today. Decent, detailed battle reports. Painting, conversion, kitbash and terrain guides and tutorials. Detailed fluff (the entire reason I got into 40K 5th Ed in 2008 was because of an Index Astartes character spotlight type article about Kayvaan Shrike and the guerilla warfare tactics of the Raven Guard). Campaigns, scenarios, new and original rules profiles made up by the design using converted models...

LOTR was fantastic for this, with detailed fluff, profiles and conversion guides for units like Warriors of Carn Dum, Orcs of Minas Morgul using looted Gondor armour, Morannon Orcs, Uruks of Dol Guldur, evil undead spirits, Duskwraiths...Warhammer had rules for fighting in swamps, jungles, frozen plants and Daemon worlds. Profiles and kitbash ideas for original units like Cybernetic constructs, Cyber wolves, native beasts of Death Worlds.

We don't see that anymore in White Dwarf.

I'm now 22 and have bought maybe 3 magazines in the last 3 years. And regretted it each time.

 azreal13 wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:
I like White Dwarf. I love the way it's done. I like looking at all the new minis.
I can't see how this rumor is true because they employed new people not so long ago.

I think we have an illustration of why the decision has been made right here.

You love WD? Fair enough, can't and won't argue with your opinion. But I notice from your profile you only started wargaming last year, and I, guessing from the vernacular in your posts you're not a "white wargamer" who has discovered the hobby late in life.

Assuming these two things are true (and if they're not for you, they will be for many) then you have absolutely no frame of reference for how far the quality of the magazine has fallen, and can't really assess the current form from the same perspective as those of us who have grown up with it over decades.

By changing the name and format, all that history and heritage is wiped out for all the people who get hoovered into the GW machine from this year onwards. Those people will probably like the new publications too (I do find that they're fairly visually appealing, even if it takes me less than half a good gak to read an issue) and if anyone brings up the subject, the Redshirt can simply say that the new thing is better than White Dwarf used to be (hell, there's a chance it might actually be better at this point, you never know)

Don't let any sort of recruitment or staff changes (especially recent ones) fool you either, this will still require a staff pumping out "content" as it does now, and anyone hired in the last year can be cut for no reason at a moments notice anyway, as unfair dismissal laws don't apply in the first 12 months of employment.

Anyone who has ever worked for a big company knows that the grunts (in this case artists and writers), have no say on the product, it all comes from the big wigs on the top of the food chain, as slowed as those decisions might be. So whom ever is on the staff, is essentially irrelevant.

I seriously doubt this change is to preserve the reputation or rebirth the magazine, it is clear that feedback from older gamers is essentially equivalent to talking to a wall, they dont care if older gamers consider it crap next to past issues, and newer gamers cant make the connection, so there is no real point in rebranding under that scenario. The only reason that makes sense for such a change is actually sales issues. And to be honest, unless they drastically change the direction of the mag, i dont see how this is going to help them.

I utterly disagree.

I think GW are much more keenly aware of the criticism levelled against them than you give them credit for (even if their attempts to assuage it are generally clumsy and poorly implemented) and I could cite such things as the production of supplements and bundles with an actual discount as evidence of them reacting to criticism.

What better way to take the "WD was better in the old days" stick away from the critics than to kill WD completely?

I doubt the sales of the mag are stellar, but even within this thread you are seeing plenty of posters who claim to read, enjoy, even subscribe to WD, and if you can get even some of your customers to pay you to advertise to them, you're on to a winner.

Could someone please tell me when this 'Golden Age of White Dwarf' was?

I've been reading white dwarf for over 20 years, and it's ALWAYS been a big catalog for GW stuff. I'm not complaining per say, that's what I wanted and expected from it. But really it's expanded into much more than when I first started reading it. Sure there were editorials, and discussions on elements of the game. But I really think the content is more diverse now than it was back in the day. I miss all the cool mini's they'd show from games day in different countries every issue. But the lack of that isn't their fault and more GW's for shutting down almost every games day worldwide.

If you're referring to the 70's/80's White dwarf as being 'the good times'. Well, are you surprised after 30 years that it's changed? In those 30 years games workshop has become a multi million dollar company, with more than enough of it's own product coming out that it doesn't need to do news and reviews of other companies stuff. What do you want them to do, review the latest PP book? showcase new infinity miniatures? I purchase No Quarter (well, I used to, but that's another mag which has it's own problems), you don't see any GW stuff in there, are they wrong to do that?

I wholeheartedly agree that changing the name is STUPID! especially since the company was started on that magazine.

I can only hope they do more on forgeworld stuff in these new issues (if true) I enjoy seeing the landscapes and battle scenes they create at the (few) shows they do every year.

Ive collected White Dwarf since issue 181, which first started me on this long road of GW, and i belive it needs a massive update the issue recently havent held my attention for long and though i have still bought it i find myslef not returning to re read unlike earlier eras such as paul sawyer being editor. Maybe this is a good thing in a way but i will wait and see.

White Dwarf in the early 90s was a lot of fun with almost complete roleplaying adventures and all sorts of useful "hobby content", yeah it was still a sales rag... I didn't care.

- J

Ok, due disclosure, I buy White Dwarf more out of habit than anything else, and despite the internet, I do enjoy it, particularly Blanchitsu and Jervis Johnson's columns. Armies on parade is also pretty good, as well as kitbash and paint splatter, just for a bit of inspiration. Is the magazine definitely worth it? Probably not. However, I know I'll keep buying it every month, just as I have (with a few breaks) for the last 20 or so years.

Strange thing is, I never got a subscription, until 5 minutes ago, when I realised that if I am going to buy the monthly magazine for whatever inflated price, I might as well get my 12 month subscription in now while it "only" costs £55.

Simples.

I look forward to my first ever copy of whatever it is that arrives in my mailbox, whenever that happens to be!

Hazrat

 Theduke07 wrote:
You rarely can a successful product.

You're missing the point.

Q: Why would they want to make a weekly (or biweekly?) magazine/announcement pamphlet?

A: Because they wanna release stuff more than just once a month.

That's kind of an interesting idea too. They have been accelerating releases. Can they accelerate them even more?

Given the amount of digital stuff that they're pumping out right now, and how easy it is to miss all of it...

On a the other hand, maybe they are wanting to slow down to releases, instead of having a big drop at the start of the month then 'other stuff' midmonth, you instead get 1 or 2 kits a week, that can come with the weekly restocks.

Hopes aren't high.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
GW have sold pretty much 'pure' catalogues from their very early days such as the Citadel Compendiums

eg http://www.solegends.com/citcomp1/


(with helpful holes punched in at some point if I remember right)

Back then though at least in the US the catalogs came with a coupon for their cost in bits. I used to get them for that reason as I'd place a yearly bits order and get the book for free.

 Compel wrote:
On a the other hand, maybe they are wanting to slow down to releases, instead of having a big drop at the start of the month then 'other stuff' midmonth, you instead get 1 or 2 kits a week, that can come with the weekly restocks.

Either way. I think the weekly miniature-show-off-magazine is what Games Workshop "wants". As they cannot (or don't want to) do "hobby articles" every week, those get shelved into a different publication, which in turn is probably under "close scrutiny" from the management for "financial viability".

I doubt that GW's distribution schedule will be changed at all. If there is one thing they generally do right, it's the logistics end of new product distribution.

Hazrat..really? you like Jervis' column? I think he's completely full of himself! But maybe that's just like, my opinion man....

 dsteingass wrote:
I doubt that GW's distribution schedule will be changed at all. If there is one thing they generally do right, it's the logistics end of new product distribution.

Weren't the Tau and Eldar releases complete disasters as far as getting the products in stores was concerned?

I dunno, I wasnt interested in those or the 10-fething billion marine releases so I guess I didn't pay attention

 azreal13 wrote:
I utterly disagree.

I think GW are much more keenly aware of the criticism levelled against them than you give them credit for (even if their attempts to assuage it are generally clumsy and poorly implemented) and I could cite such things as the production of supplements and bundles with an actual discount as evidence of them reacting to criticism.

What better way to take the "WD was better in the old days" stick away from the critics than to kill WD completely?

I doubt the sales of the mag are stellar, but even within this thread you are seeing plenty of posters who claim to read, enjoy, even subscribe to WD, and if you can get even some of your customers to pay you to advertise to them, you're on to a winner.

Again, being aware and caring are 2 very distinct things, and the big wigs at GW have stated time and again, they only care about the new blood, which incidentally either like the mag or dont, but dont have a different point of reference other than what they see now. I dont really think WD is such a big seller for them, for starters they are canning all translations and keeping just english (if rumors are to be believed), if the mag is selling well, rebranding or not, there is no reason to cut foreign editions unless they are simply not selling. I would grant that GW does not need WD to be a big seller either, i think if it would operate at a moderate loss or just break even, they would keep it, just as an advertising thing, to me this drastic move signals the mag is operating at a higher loss than they are willing to accept.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/572463.page#6419276

Official news on white dwarf and the new magazine, new info from.

 Kroothawk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:They couldn't fill a massive magazine with enough actual content on a monthly basis, what makes them think they can do a weekly book and then a monthly one on top of that?

Someone recently said: There's cynicism, then there's whatever it is you've become as of late. But I guess that's okay with you if it is your cynicism
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450/570012.page#6417013

What you've quoted of me isn't cynicism.

The iPad newsstand thing for WD now reads "warhammer visions, annual subscription £44.99"

What is the price of a White Dwarf now? Will they want more money from subscribers when it changes over?

Do people still read that catalog? It stopped being a magazine years ago.

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/572463.page#6419276
Official news on white dwarf and the new magazine, new info from.

Why not just post it instead of making a duplicate thread? Maybe even with a correctly stated source?

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
White Dwarf will be changing from monthly to weekly, meaning releases will be spread across the space of a month rather than all at once. The change will mean army updates will now start with the codex/armybook with a few new releases (kit Re-do's) on the first week and bigger or newer kits the second week. With the hobbit releases on the third week and other releases on the fourth though how pre-orders will work is still yet to be seen. White dwarf will be smaller with about just 34 pages and prices will also drop to about £2.40 in the UK per weekly issue. All hobby related articles except painting guides on the new releases will be removed. The new monthly magazine will focus on just 40k and fantasy hobby like modeling, painting, converting etc.. This will be bigger than the current white dwarf but will also be around £7.50 UK price. This will feature things like army on parade and army of the month style displays aswell as hobby tips, conversions, paint schemes and much more.This means people can just buy the issues that feature products they are interested in rather than a whole white dwarf, and those who prefer the hobby side can buy a magazine just dedicated to hobby rather than advertisements. The anouncement is set to be this saturday, with the new style of magazines starting from the first of February. So what do you think about Games Workshop bringing back proper hobby articles and releasing things weekly again?

 Theduke07 wrote:
You rarely can a successful product.

This is Games "Limited Edition Space Hulk" Workshop, remember?

I'm a bit sad that it doesn't mention anything about fluff articles in the magazines. Fluff articles were awesome.
Liber Sororitas is still imho the very best piece of fluff on Sisters of Battle, and I'm sure many niche chapters also owe a lot to WD fluff !

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is Games "Limited Edition Space Hulk" Workshop, remember?

Would you qualify this then as cynicism?

I think that WD from 1991 until whenever it that they stopped doing Index Astartes articles with actual rules in them represents the high water mark for the magazine.

This change doesn't seem like it is something that will be all that interesting, but I'll give it a try when it is released - for old time's sake!

Part of me wonders if the change is to further crack down on 'leaks'. If they aren't revealing everything in a monthly feature, but rather a week-to-week thing, then there's less chance of pictures showing up on that fad that won't go away (ie. the Internet).




And that was cynicism, for anyone wondering.

I don't understand why leaks bother them so much. It creates buzz, which creates sales.

 dsteingass wrote:
I don't understand why leaks bother them so much. It creates buzz, which creates sales.

Heresy!!!! Do you want third party manufacturers to have a new version of this months releases in the three weeks the leaks afford?

All Official



White Dwarf will be changing from monthly to weekly, meaning releases will be spread across the space of a month rather than all at once. The change will mean army updates will now start with the codex/armybook with a few new releases (kit Re-do's) on the first week and bigger or newer kits the second week. With the hobbit releases on the third week and other releases on the fourth though how pre-orders will work is still yet to be seen. White dwarf will be smaller with about just 34 pages and prices will also drop to about £2.40 in the UK per weekly issue. All hobby related articles except painting guides on the new releases will be removed. The new monthly magazine will focus on just 40k and fantasy hobby like modeling, painting, converting etc.. This will be bigger than the current white dwarf but will also be around £7.50 UK price. This will feature things like army on parade and army of the month style displays aswell as hobby tips, conversions, paint schemes and much more.This means people can just buy the issues that feature products they are interested in rather than a whole white dwarf, and those who prefer the hobby side can buy a magazine just dedicated to hobby rather than advertisements. The anouncement is set to be this saturday, with the new style of magazines starting from the first of February. So what do you think about Games Workshop bringing back proper hobby articles and releasing things weekly again?  White Dwarf subscribers will now recieve warhammer visions not white dwarf or white dwarf visions for no extra charge.

I think they are still fearing the backlash from some of their official previews and whatnot, the War Mumak comes to mind, which made a lot of people very passionate about expressing their opinion when a green was spotted with Peter Jackson.

 dsteingass wrote:
I don't understand why leaks bother them so much. It creates buzz, which creates sales.

Because they don't control it, and GW is all about control.

So it's to justify the existence and the budget of a legal department?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 dsteingass wrote:
I don't understand why leaks bother them so much. It creates buzz, which creates sales.

Because they don't control it, and GW is all about control.

And skulls.

Hopefully it's an improvement over the current product.

This monthly will need to be good for £7.50

I asked my FLGS about this, he's as surprised as us about this and really hoping the new release schedule isn't true.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is Games "Limited Edition Space Hulk" Workshop, remember?

Would you qualify this then as cynicism?

Kroot, dude, pal. Your posts in the last 6 months or so have transmuted from what could be considered "healthy cynic" into something that more closely resembles some sort of an attempt at parodying a stereotypical GW hater.

I put it down to humour failing in translation, but if you really mean what you post, then you're in a fething enormous glass house and really should put all those stones down before somebody gets hurt.

Not an attack, just stating an observation.

 Warboss Hazrat wrote:
Strange thing is, I never got a subscription, until 5 minutes ago, when I realised that if I am going to buy the monthly magazine for whatever inflated price, I might as well get my 12 month subscription in now while it "only" costs £55.

Reading this, and the fact that I was considering doing the same thing (we've been thinking about subscribing anyway) makes me wonder whether this is part of the idea behind the change as well. Hype it for a little while, get people to snap subscribe before the new publication is launched. Makes the numbers look better for Q4 in the likely lull after Christmas.

prankster wrote:

 Warboss Hazrat wrote:
Strange thing is, I never got a subscription, until 5 minutes ago, when I realised that if I am going to buy the monthly magazine for whatever inflated price, I might as well get my 12 month subscription in now while it "only" costs £55.

Reading this, and the fact that I was considering doing the same thing (we've been thinking about subscribing anyway) makes me wonder whether this is part of the idea behind the change as well. Hype it for a little while, get people to snap subscribe before the new publication is launched. Makes the numbers look better for Q4 in the likely lull after Christmas.

Also just considering this. What do we think? Bit of a gamble for me, who would never consider a subscription in wd's current format.

Wait.... What?

I was right??? I'm pretty sure that's never happened to me before.


And £7.50? Yikes. I mean, seriously. Yikes. The monthly magazine was actually sounding quite interesting until I read that. Holy cow.

It's time to take a closer look at my direct debit, then...

From Natfka:




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That works out to 3.75 poundage.


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For those of you not paying attention, that sounds like a price decrease. No one choke on what they are eating now.

That's certainly not £7.50 an issue??

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
All Official

This will be bigger than the current white dwarf but will also be around £7.50 UK price. .

Hmm. Official, eh?

 pretre wrote:
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For those of you not paying attention, that sounds like a price decrease. No one choke on what they are eating now.

That's for the iPad version though?

 fishy bob wrote:

 pretre wrote:
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For those of you not paying attention, that sounds like a price decrease. No one choke on what they are eating now.

That's for the iPad version though?

True, but when have they ever discounted digital?

I wonder if its going to be Bi-Monthly..

 knighthaunter wrote:
I wonder if its going to be Bi-Monthly..

Everything so far has said monthly.

 pretre wrote:

 fishy bob wrote:

 pretre wrote:
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For those of you not paying attention, that sounds like a price decrease. No one choke on what they are eating now.

That's for the iPad version though?

True, but when have they ever discounted digital?

Well, Black Library books come to mind. Are paper WD and pixel WD currently the same price?

 fishy bob wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 fishy bob wrote:

 pretre wrote:
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For those of you not paying attention, that sounds like a price decrease. No one choke on what they are eating now.

That's for the iPad version though?

True, but when have they ever discounted digital?

Well, Black Library books come to mind. Are paper WD and pixel WD currently the same price?

Oh, my bad.

Physical is 55 pounds
itunes is 45 pounds.

Still not a 50% discount though.

What I am reading actually sounds like a genuinely good thing. Having an actual hobby magazine would be awesome although I dread to think what the price will be in Canada.

It's a shame to see WD go though especially it is what introduced me to the hobby (Stumbled across 30 or so old editions while at a paper recycling place) That being said from what I have seen of the editions as of late were a laughable excuse for actual content so change is certainly needed. I simply hope that GW get it right this time and produce something worth reading.

ya that remark was just based off £7.50/2=£3.75, I would have a hard time seeing them go bi-monthly, but a year ago i would have said i would never see them having a weekly anything to.
Really, as much as i'm gun shy of GW these days this may actually be "Great News", sans the normally attached sarcasm i would say that with.

 azreal13 wrote:
Kroot, dude, pal. Your posts in the last 6 months or so have transmuted from what could be considered "healthy cynic" into something that more closely resembles some sort of an attempt at parodying a stereotypical GW hater.

I put it down to humour failing in translation, but if you really mean what you post, then you're in a fething enormous glass house and really should put all those stones down before somebody gets hurt.

Not an attack, just stating an observation.

You missed the fact that I was relating to HBMC's post in another thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450/570012.page#6417013
According to him, cynicism is okay for him but not for anybody else.
According to him, ad hominem attacks are okay for him but not for anybody else.
I just wanted to put this on record, so that in future he might think twice before trolling me personally for criticising GW.

No one is trolling you except for yourself. Just dial it back a couple notches.

 pretre wrote:
Oh, my bad.

Physical is 55 pounds
itunes is 45 pounds.

Still not a 50% discount though.

I wasn't disputing that there's a price decrease, I'm just wondering how much the physical version will be.

If there'll even be a physical version?

 fishy bob wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Oh, my bad.

Physical is 55 pounds
itunes is 45 pounds.

Still not a 50% discount though.

I wasn't disputing that there's a price decrease, I'm just wondering how much the physical version will be.

If there'll even be a physical version?

Well according to the 'official' guy 7.5 pounds per physical. Subscriptions do usually get a discount off that though.


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So maybe that 44.99 is just them offering the current itunes price for a while...

 Kroothawk wrote:

You missed the fact that I was relating to HBMC's post in another thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450/570012.page#6417013
According to him, cynicism is okay for him but not for anybody else.
According to him, ad hominem attacks are okay for him but not for anybody else.
I just wanted to put this on record, so that in future he might think twice before trolling me personally for criticising GW.

I think you've miss-used the concepts of "cynicism", "ad hominem" and "trolling" in a single post. Good effort. Of course nothing you just wrote has any real resemblance to what I said at all, but whatever. I think I'm done with you.

 pretre wrote:

 fishy bob wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Oh, my bad.

Physical is 55 pounds
itunes is 45 pounds.

Still not a 50% discount though.

I wasn't disputing that there's a price decrease, I'm just wondering how much the physical version will be.

If there'll even be a physical version?

Well according to the 'official' guy 7.5 pounds per physical. Subscriptions do usually get a discount off that though.

Ah okay. I couldn't read through that post

Edit:

 pretre wrote:
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So maybe that 44.99 is just them offering the current itunes price for a while...

In your pic they do mention "special price", so that's what I'm thinking.

What's the usual price of a physical WD in pounds?

 pretre wrote:
What's the usual price of a physical WD in pounds?

£5.50


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So, they're still selling 12month subscriptions for £55. £44 if you collect in store. If it really is going to £7.50 per monthly issue, these subscriptions seem like a bit of a deal, no?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Theduke07 wrote:
You rarely can a successful product.

This is Games "Limited Edition Space Hulk" Workshop, remember?

That i do understand, after all, if everybody settles for a small skirmish game, who is going to be left to buy their "armies"?. This smells simply to a closing shop move.

So is the big, monthly one going to have the hobby stuff in it, or just pretty pictures? Because I've seen both described for the monthly one.

Weekly one will be new releases of the week?

xxvaderxx wrote:
That i do understand, after all, if everybody settles for a small skirmish game, who is going to be left to buy their "armies"?. This smells simply to a closing shop move.

1. Space Hulk isn't a "skirmish" game. It's a standard board game.
2. You really, honestly think that people would have bought Space Hulk, a board game, with its two model types and gone "Well, that's enough for me. Don't need all the rest of these armies and tanks and variety now that I have this game that only does one thing and has two model types!".

Space Hulk would not have cannibalised regular 40K sales. That assertion is absurd.

I still have 3 coupons left from my current sub. I wasn't going to renew it, but will use them to see it this new magazine is worth it.

I remember my old year 2000 WD, with tactics for sentinels, or how to get the best out of your assaulting units across several armies (not only current release units).

I wondered if you could take remaining coupons and use them on any back issues you missed, then I realised how stupid that sounds.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
New Wine/Old Bottle

FTFY

Good riddence to this 'magazine'. Old WD was pure gold, new WD is a glorified shopping catalogue. Like those annoying advertisements that come free in the mail, except you have to pay for the priviledge

 Dakkamite wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
New Wine/Old Bottle

Good riddence to this 'magazine'. Old WD was pure gold, new WD is a glorified shopping catalogue.

Yup, that just about sums it up...

This is shocking news and whatever...
I wouldn't have liked it 15 years ago, but i just don't care.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:
That i do understand, after all, if everybody settles for a small skirmish game, who is going to be left to buy their "armies"?. This smells simply to a closing shop move.

1. Space Hulk isn't a "skirmish" game. It's a standard board game.
2. You really, honestly think that people would have bought Space Hulk, a board game, with its two model types and gone "Well, that's enough for me. Don't need all the rest of these armies and tanks and variety now that I have this game that only does one thing and has two model types!".

Space Hulk would not have cannibalised regular 40K sales. That assertion is absurd.

Privateer press and many others base their models on that, i tend to think they know what they are doing.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Who, with access to the internet, honestly gives a gak?

If today's WD had the stuff I can find in my archive issues from over 10 years ago, I'd buy it, internet or not.

This.

Chapter Approved, Index Astartes, battle reports that actually reported on battles and gave you some insight into how the game was prepared for and played out, features on cool conversions made by staff with guides on how they were done and a list of necessary bitz you could order on-demand from the Trolls, scenarios and new rules for the core systems and the many Specialist Games, hell sometimes whole new games(first incarnation of Kill Team), wee short stories, even free models on occasion. Going in to GW to grab the latest Dwarf, Journal, Town Crier, and BFG Magazine used to be one of the best parts of being involved with Warhammer. These days even a column by John Blanche can't motivate me to fork over money for the glorified catalogue it has become(and before the Shining Knights of Kirby come riding in, yes, we know, it was always catalogue-esque, but the degree isn't even remotely comparable).

Having read the updated info, I'll stick with cynical grognard mode until we actually see one. Also, it depresses me that I can remember buying full-sized codices for only 50p more than the proposed sticker price for this magazine - either I'm getting old, or GW really have just gone bat insane over the last few years.

Getting rid of fantasy, or at least putting it on the back burner, maybe they'll reorganize and do a 40k only magazine instead.

well, rest in peace. Even during its golden age it wasn't great.

Wierd that there's so many people talking about how great it used to be. I think hindsight plays wonders on peoples minds, other than the occasional short story there was nothing special there

Weekly magazine of weekly releases... 32 pages... so maybe 10 pages for each new product and a bunch of filler?


Wouldn't surprise me if it also became an A5 format mag instead of A4, too.

xruslanx wrote:
well, rest in peace. Even during its golden age it wasn't great.

Wierd that there's so many people talking about how great it used to be. I think hindsight plays wonders on peoples minds, other than the occasional short story there was nothing special there

Actually there was an old issue (from like the early 90s I think) posted here a couple of months ago and it was amazing, it was pure content with every other page having rules or fluff.
compared to the old stuff whatever, who cares but golden age stuff, from what I've seen, was amazing.

I'm hoping they ditch it. There's no reason to pay for nothing but advertising. Battle reports? Play your friends and make your own.

Okay, how do they expect to be able to dedicate an entire magazine to Warhammer?

They're having difficulty filling the magazine with stuff worth reading as is, so how are they going to manage a weekly comic book sized magazine (if it is that)?

I remember when it was worth a damn. Imperial Guard, Terminators, Harlequins, and Robots all made their first appearances in WD. There were tons of new units for the variety of game systems, and new mission.

All of that is long since died off. White Dwarf should to.

 jonolikespie wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
well, rest in peace. Even during its golden age it wasn't great.

Wierd that there's so many people talking about how great it used to be. I think hindsight plays wonders on peoples minds, other than the occasional short story there was nothing special there

Actually there was an old issue (from like the early 90s I think) posted here a couple of months ago and it was amazing, it was pure content with every other page having rules or fluff.
compared to the old stuff whatever, who cares but golden age stuff, from what I've seen, was amazing.

I read White Dwarf regularly in, iirc ~2000. Other than the primarch short stories (which were awesome simply because pretty much nothing had been written about them before), I think you're exaggerating. Most of the "content" was stuff that any reasonably bright hobbyist could have come up with himself, but in a magazine. That and experimental rules, which you can kinda get for free now anyway (Forgeworld pdfs).

I do remember the battle reports *always* favoured the new army. While the graphics were pretty cool, there was never any sense of tension or tactical nuance - it was more like a narrative played out with miniatures. Which is cool or a rip-off, depends on your view point.

Whoa there x!

We don't know what GW really wants to happen yet!

Unless you're mistakenly thinking WD is really "dead" and not just "different"?

According to Naftka, one of the two new publications, either the weekly or the monthly one, will retain the White Dwarf name.

Looks like the smart thing to do. The WD brand is a valuable asset in terms of goodwill.

Like a TV show that jumped the shark long ago or a rock band that should have retired while all them members still had hair, this was a long time coming and should have been done earlier. The last WD I picked up was the reboot issue and that was it. After that, there wasn't anything worth the price in it. The conversions were nice and Blanchitsu was interesting, but not worth half the price of the magazine.

If they follow the current paint by numbers instructions and no information conversion pieces, I'll be skipping it as well. Frustrating this is that the recent slate of digital releases all could have been put into WD first to make it worth picking up. GW puts material out that would have made WD worthwhile, but for some reason, they refused to put it in. Instead we go another lame column from Jervis trying to create an excuse from this rule screw-up or that imbalance. At least Vetocks columns were amusing.

As for golden age of WD, everyone has a different period. There are people who swear WD has been crap since it became a GW only mag. My favorite period is colored with nostalgia, but 100's to 140's for me. Rules for Hero Quest, Space Crusade, DIY Bane Blade, initial Realms of Chaos and more.

xruslanx wrote:well, rest in peace. Even during its golden age it wasn't great.

Wierd that there's so many people talking about how great it used to be. I think hindsight plays wonders on peoples minds, other than the occasional short story there was nothing special there

xruslanx wrote:

I read White Dwarf regularly in, iirc ~2000. Other than the primarch short stories (which were awesome simply because pretty much nothing had been written about them before), I think you're exaggerating. Most of the "content" was stuff that any reasonably bright hobbyist could have come up with himself, but in a magazine. That and experimental rules, which you can kinda get for free now anyway (Forgeworld pdfs).

I do remember the battle reports *always* favoured the new army. While the graphics were pretty cool, there was never any sense of tension or tactical nuance - it was more like a narrative played out with miniatures. Which is cool or a rip-off, depends on your view point.

So, you read what, 1, maybe 2 years of a thirty-ish year publication's issues and decided that it was always crap? Makes sense...

~Eric

Quite, I suspect most people who get misty eyed about WD are thinking of an era sometime around the time xruslanx was reading Spot and Roger Red Hat.

As far as i am concerned i am looking forward to the new WD releases, more mags to fill my bookshelving.

Great job GW.

A weekly magazine sounds like a weekly flier of some kind.

If this is true, and it's all trash, that will come close to doing in my hobby for the past 25 years. I looked forward to my WD every month. I have been collecting it on and off since the 80's. I would pick and choose which ones back when because there were other game systems in it. I have the original LOTD article for instance, it was cool. I'll agree that it has been lacking at times. Honestly to stop nay saying, I'll just hide and watch what happens. i will say that I have contemplated being done with it after hearing some of the rumors, thinking my favorite hobby may no longer be fun, just seems to be turning into a money trap.
I'll rest assure, that GW calculating new gamers spending X amount of dollars vs the veteran gamer, I do not meet that standard, I've dumped loads into the hobby, gained more players for them over the years as we all probably have, demonstrated the games for nearly 10 years. etc etc. See I'm whining now... time to stop typing.

 Kelly502 wrote:
If this is true, and it's all trash, that will come close to doing in my hobby for the past 25 years. I looked forward to my WD every month. I have been collecting it on and off since the 80's. I would pick and choose which ones back when because there were other game systems in it. I have the original LOTD article for instance, it was cool. I'll agree that it has been lacking at times. Honestly to stop nay saying, I'll just hide and watch what happens. i will say that I have contemplated being done with it after hearing some of the rumors, thinking my favorite hobby may no longer be fun, just seems to be turning into a money trap.
I'll rest assure, that GW calculating new gamers spending X amount of dollars vs the veteran gamer, I do not meet that standard, I've dumped loads into the hobby, gained more players for them over the years as we all probably have, demonstrated the games for nearly 10 years. etc etc. See I'm whining now... time to stop typing.

My sentiments exactly.

xruslanx wrote:
well, rest in peace. Even during its golden age it wasn't great.

Wierd that there's so many people talking about how great it used to be. I think hindsight plays wonders on peoples minds, other than the occasional short story there was nothing special there

No doubt that there is an element of 'rose tinted spectacles' at play, but I think to claim that there hasn't been variations in the quality of content of the magazine is absolutely not true. It also paints an incorrect version of events for younger readers who think that the current version is 'alright' and worthwhile reading - again this is not the case, and the magazine has been an extremely poor comparison to its earlier form for some years now.

I think it's generally accepted that the 'Giant Issue' 316, 2006, was when the magazine started to degenerate into the advertising catalogue that we have known it as since. And by that I don't mean that it just started to feature pics of new products (the magazine has always done that) but that the number and quality of journalistic gaming articles in the magazine, that which formed the core of it, started to drop off. That started to coincide with the rise of the internet as a medium for releasing new materials, leading to less and less of a reason to pick up the magazine.

If I can find the time I might well make a post about what I think was probably the 'golden age' of the magazine, during the Paul 'fat bloke' Sawyer era. The amount of gaming articles, terrain building, features, stories and everything else. It's true that there wasn't the level of cynicism towards GW back in the early days of the forum communities, but I remember the excitement that was expressed towards new WD issues, and discussion that used to go on about the articles that were present in the magazine. It's been a long, long time since that has been the case.

I think it's impossible to ignore the symbolism of finally removing the marque of 'White Dwarf' from Games Workshops releases.. really the two names are synonymous with each other. I can only imagine that sales of it have been drastically poor (especially after the 're-launch') for them to have done away with the name altogether. The magazine has been a shell of its former self for more than half a decade now, but I think for a lot of the people who have been around for a while, it's going to really mark the end of an era and a final cutting off from how the company once was, and what it once represented.

 Pacific wrote:
I think it's impossible to ignore the symbolism of finally removing the marque of 'White Dwarf' from Games Workshops releases.. really the two names are synonymous with each other. I can only imagine that sales of it have been drastically poor (especially after the 're-launch') for them to have done away with the name altogether. The magazine has been a shell of its former self for more than half a decade now, but I think for a lot of the people who have been around for a while, it's going to really mark the end of an era and a final cutting off from how the company once was, and what it once represented.

The sad part is that they never seemed to understand why the magazine was so disliked, or never sought out reasons why it might be failing. I mean I know GW hates the Internet, but a cursory glance at what's popular on the Internet might've told them that 50 pages of "New Releases" isn't what we're looking for.

Back during the Paul Sawyer era, White Dwarf gave you free copies of the in development rules for games like Battlefleet Gothic and Mordheim. It had interesting strategy articles for games like Epic. It had rules, flavour text and conversion ideas for new addons. It had walkthroughs for building terrain.

In other words, it was good.

I am actually quite excited by the prospect of this, and the idea behind revamping their magazine in to two new ones. I have been in this hobby for just under a year, but have never bothered buying a WD. I like the idea of it, but the content just never felt worth the coin.

They also ran contests. Like when the Last Chancers were released, they ran some nice articles and gave away boxed sets of the Last Chancers if you could answer the following question: "Where is Donald Duck?"

 alanmckenzie wrote:

prankster wrote:

 Warboss Hazrat wrote:
Strange thing is, I never got a subscription, until 5 minutes ago, when I realised that if I am going to buy the monthly magazine for whatever inflated price, I might as well get my 12 month subscription in now while it "only" costs £55.

Reading this, and the fact that I was considering doing the same thing (we've been thinking about subscribing anyway) makes me wonder whether this is part of the idea behind the change as well. Hype it for a little while, get people to snap subscribe before the new publication is launched. Makes the numbers look better for Q4 in the likely lull after Christmas.

Also just considering this. What do we think? Bit of a gamble for me, who would never consider a subscription in wd's current format.

It is a bit of a gamble, given what little we know about this at present. Worst case scenario, this is all bull gak and you end up with a 12 month subscription to the mag in it's current incarnation. Which isn't a massively bad thing, sure WD isn't what it was but it's still something to pass a bit of time with. The other possibility is that the new magazine is absolutely dire, though if that is the case I'm sure a conversation with GW's customer service regarding bait and switch and so forth would get you at least something back.

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 pretre wrote:
What's the usual price of a physical WD in pounds?

£5.50


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So, they're still selling 12month subscriptions for £55. £44 if you collect in store. If it really is going to £7.50 per monthly issue, these subscriptions seem like a bit of a deal, no?

Only if it's worth reading and committing to a 12 month subscription without having seen it first. Plenty of folk seem to have been burnt with subscriptions from the last revamp.

 jonolikespie wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
well, rest in peace. Even during its golden age it wasn't great.

Wierd that there's so many people talking about how great it used to be. I think hindsight plays wonders on peoples minds, other than the occasional short story there was nothing special there

Actually there was an old issue (from like the early 90s I think) posted here a couple of months ago and it was amazing, it was pure content with every other page having rules or fluff.
compared to the old stuff whatever, who cares but golden age stuff, from what I've seen, was amazing.

Compared to current ones some of the old editions were great; I remember one came with plans to scratchbuild Ork tanks (as in pages you can photocopy onto card, cut out and glue together), and one came with a few pages of new Space Hulk tiles, rules for a bar brawl fantasy game, and one came with a card stock jousting game. Then there's plenty of them came with actual new content, be it fiction, fluff or rules. There definitely was a golden age though there's debate as to when it actually was. In any case there's no way you can argue that it is better now than it was 5/10/15/20 years ago.

It's not even rose tinted glasses, I've got the jousting issue sitting on my desk at home, and I've looked at some older issues recently and the difference in content is obvious.

I've got White Dwarf magazines from circa 2003 and 2004, when I first started wargaming with LOTR, and a handful from 2012 and 2013.

Theres no doubt about it, on a direct comparison White Dwarf had better quality content 10 years ago than it does today. "Rose tinted spectacles" have nothing to do with it.

 BrookM wrote:
They also ran contests. Like when the Last Chancers were released, they ran some nice articles and gave away boxed sets of the Last Chancers if you could answer the following question: "Where is Donald Duck?"

Never got that joke when I was younger. Dirty Dozen reference isn't it?

I started reading around nr. 127 at that time, rogue trader was turning into the 40k we know and ***** lot's of background, new rules, 'eavy metal, good battle reports and so on. yes it was better then.

I admit that I only subscribed from the mid 90s (Necromunda launch issue) to the mid-2000s, and I definitely felt the quality slipping a few times, but to me the magazine was always quite good as long as you were actually already sold on the company's products. Because then you had things like:

- Free models. Launching a new product line? Give 'em a few plastic (even occasionally metal) models to drum up interest.
- Mini expansions/stand alone games. New tiles for Space Hulk/Warhammer Quest. Little experimental bar-fighting games.
- Scenery/magic items/wargear - anything that could be glued on the back of a cereal packet.
- Scenarios for either the wargames or stand-alone games.
- Painting tutorials - often on really specific topics ("Blood stippling", "Horse dappling").
- Showcases of particularly amazing paint jobs and conversions - either from GW or from fans.
- Competitions - often with a surprising amount of generosity.
- Battle reports that went on for pages and pages, and told you almost nothing about the rules. They may have been more scripted than the average wrestling match, but did a huge job in selling how dramatic a tabletop game could be - Necromunda was a favourite.

It also gave a face (and sometimes even a personality) to the people behind the things I loved - which means that years later, I still follow the careers of people like Mike McVey, Jake Thornton and Rick Priestley with interest.

To me, the thing that killed my interest was removing anything not related to their core wargames, as these were by far the least interesting of their products, and were the hardest to actually get a game going of. And the mag started getting slimmer and slimmer, with more and more ad pages...

 AlexHolker wrote:
Back during the Paul Sawyer era, White Dwarf gave you free copies of the in development rules for games like Battlefleet Gothic and Mordheim. It had interesting strategy articles for games like Epic. It had rules, flavour text and conversion ideas for new addons. It had walkthroughs for building terrain.

In other words, it was good.

Paul Sawyer's time as editor was really the second golden age of WD, after the Rogue Trader/WFB3/Realm of Chaos-rich early issues. (not to mention rules for Blood Bowl, Dark Future, and all of the side games)...

 Grimtuff wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
They also ran contests. Like when the Last Chancers were released, they ran some nice articles and gave away boxed sets of the Last Chancers if you could answer the following question: "Where is Donald Duck?"

Never got that joke when I was younger. Dirty Dozen reference isn't it?

Yeah. They're planning the attack on the mansion and using props to plan out who's going to be where. IIRC the guy represented by a Donald figure is meant to be down at the crossroad with a machine gun.


I stopped reading WD at 310-ish. What was this WD reboot anyway?

Avian wrote:
What was this WD reboot anyway?

I think most of us are still asking that question.

What I can tell is that we suddenly got the first 50 pages dedicated to that month's new releases, and the majority of the magazine became nothing but big (and often badly lit) photographs, and then small bits of text telling us what was in the photographs. Total waste of ink.

Bioptic wrote:
Because then you had things like:

- Free models. Launching a new product line? Give 'em a few plastic (even occasionally metal) models to drum up interest.
- Mini expansions/stand alone games. New tiles for Space Hulk/Warhammer Quest. Little experimental bar-fighting games.
- Scenery/magic items/wargear - anything that could be glued on the back of a cereal packet.
- Scenarios for either the wargames or stand-alone games.
- Painting tutorials - often on really specific topics ("Blood stippling", "Horse dappling").
- Showcases of particularly amazing paint jobs and conversions - either from GW or from fans.
- Competitions - often with a surprising amount of generosity.
- Battle reports that went on for pages and pages, and told you almost nothing about the rules. They may have been more scripted than the average wrestling match, but did a huge job in selling how dramatic a tabletop game could be - Necromunda was a favourite.

And fluff article. The best part imho. There are no more fluff articles anymore, are there ?

Picked up my first WD in '94, the magazine was great then.

That's such a long time ago...

 snurl wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
If this is true, and it's all trash, that will come close to doing in my hobby for the past 25 years. I looked forward to my WD every month. I have been collecting it on and off since the 80's. I would pick and choose which ones back when because there were other game systems in it. I have the original LOTD article for instance, it was cool. I'll agree that it has been lacking at times. Honestly to stop nay saying, I'll just hide and watch what happens. i will say that I have contemplated being done with it after hearing some of the rumors, thinking my favorite hobby may no longer be fun, just seems to be turning into a money trap.
I'll rest assure, that GW calculating new gamers spending X amount of dollars vs the veteran gamer, I do not meet that standard, I've dumped loads into the hobby, gained more players for them over the years as we all probably have, demonstrated the games for nearly 10 years. etc etc. See I'm whining now... time to stop typing.

My sentiments exactly.

Yep... That's just about my sentiments to a tee...

Valete,

JohnS

TechMarine1 wrote:
Okay, how do they expect to be able to dedicate an entire magazine to Warhammer?

They're having difficulty filling the magazine with stuff worth reading as is, so how are they going to manage a weekly comic book sized magazine (if it is that)?

The only reason that they have trouble filling the magazine right now is that every article actually worth reading they release as a separate paid download instead. If the painting guides, black library novellas, apocalypse formation sheets and all the other stuff they released every day last month was actually in WD it might be worth buying.

I guess the damp squib relaunch didn't have the effect they were hoping for. More change to WD can't be a bad thing, at worst it won't make it any better (most likely won't make it any better) but the current thing they've got going on is pretty pointless and clearly doesn't have an audience.

I used to read WD back in the eighties when it was a more general gaming magazine and not GW only - it was a decent read. I've only dipped in on odd occasions since.

Times change however and I will be interested to see what this new incarnation looks like.

There is a good chance they have brought in a high speed digital press with autobind on a pay per click basis. Simple to run and means release printing is done in house so no leaks.

Things seem to suggest that they'll be more open to reader submissions, etc. If so, I think that's a very good way for them to engage their customers for a change.

The weekly magazine sounds like little more than a catalog, which I feel they should be dispensing for free, not taking money for. On top of that, four of these will cost more than one WD with even less content. Not too keen on these.

Now, the monthly one - if it's 200-some pages of studio and reader-submitted models, with conversion and kitbashing corners as well as painting tips, though with no real articles to speak of, then I can see myself buying it regularly.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They've announced the funeral for WD finally. They kept his body in state for a long time.

Like the emperor of mankind

Some more info retailers got:
1.) Weekly keeps the White Dwarf name. It features the new products of the Saturday NEXT week. The editorial part (what we called content in the 90s) goes into this White Dwarf. GW (store and website) and retailers only, no subscribtion.
2.) Warhammer Visions is indeed mainly photos with short descriptions in 3 (!) languages and no editorial content like columns. Size is smaller, but more pages. Unknown if Hobbit content is included.

So.. one is pictures without any content.
The other is super short with a cataloge... and maybe 4 pages with content?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some more info retailers got:
1.) Weekly keeps the White Dwarf name. It features the new products of the Saturday NEXT week. The editorial part (what we called content in the 90s) goes into this White Dwarf. GW (store and website) and retailers only, no subscribtion.
2.) Warhammer Visions is indeed mainly photos with short descriptions in 3 (!) languages and no editorial content like columns. Size is smaller, but more pages. Unknown if Hobbit content is included.

That's not good.

I don't even had a GW store anywhere near me!

I can understand the 'no subscriptions' thing, maybe, but shifting all the 'hobby content' to it seems daft.

Still, I guess we should be glad it will be available digitally - but hopefully at a very reasonable cost?

Anyway, as always, thanks for the update!

RoninXiC wrote:
So.. one is pictures without any content.
The other is super short with a cataloge... and maybe 4 pages with content?

But now with 4 Blanchitsus per month
Yes, content and advertising are still coupled, only pics are outsourced.
Remember that we now have 4x 32 pages WD per month. So even 4 pages per issue are 16 pages per month and roughly what we have now, quantitatively. Armies on Parade and Golden Daemon go to Warhammer Visions.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some more info retailers got:
1.) Weekly keeps the White Dwarf name. It features the new products of the Saturday NEXT week. The editorial part (what we called content in the 90s) goes into this White Dwarf. GW (store and website) and retailers only, no subscribtion.
2.) Warhammer Visions is indeed mainly photos with short descriptions in 3 (!) languages and no editorial content like columns. Size is smaller, but more pages. Unknown if Hobbit content is included.

That's not good.

I don't even had a GW store anywhere near me!

I'm sure that any independent retailer with the minimum required turnover of merchandise will be allocated 2 copies of each magazine after they can prove to GW that they have the appropriate means to secure it to the counter via the tried-and-true pen-on-a-chain method perfected by banks to prevent online leaks.

I miss the citadel journal.


http://spacehulk.barsoom.cc/articleidx/CJ-Space_Hulk.html

The White Dwarf was a good read back in the day. The new one, not so much.

Bad thing about it is that it's just another in a series of unfortunate events.


The HHHobby is dying a slice at a time.

so does this mean warhammer weekly 1 is WD 410?Or is it WW 1?It better be the first option...

That all sounds a bit interesting.

Guess we will have to see.

 Grot 6 wrote:
I miss the citadel journal.

Dear God, that was a thing of beauty. No fancy pictures, black and white printing and filled to the brim with awesome stuff.

prankster wrote:

It is a bit of a gamble, given what little we know about this at present. Worst case scenario, this is all bull gak and you end up with a 12 month subscription to the mag in it's current incarnation. Which isn't a massively bad thing, sure WD isn't what it was but it's still something to pass a bit of time with. The other possibility is that the new magazine is absolutely dire, though if that is the case I'm sure a conversation with GW's customer service regarding bait and switch and so forth would get you at least something back.

That was pretty much my thought process, worst case I get a refund, but like I said, I'm pretty sure whatever it ends up being, I'd buy it anyway. #fanboy #oldenoughtoknowbetter

Hazrat

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some more info retailers got:
2.) Warhammer Visions is indeed mainly photos with short descriptions in 3 (!) languages and no editorial content like columns. Size is smaller, but more pages. Unknown if Hobbit content is included.

That doesn't sound good. It will likely mean the large size is more due to repeated languages and not additional content. So English, Spanish, and what is the third language?

 silent25 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some more info retailers got:
2.) Warhammer Visions is indeed mainly photos with short descriptions in 3 (!) languages and no editorial content like columns. Size is smaller, but more pages. Unknown if Hobbit content is included.

That doesn't sound good. It will likely mean the large size is more due to repeated languages and not additional content. So English, Spanish, and what is the third language?

Polish, for the nazi-ork players.

I'd guess French or German.

Ok... That's actually sounding incredibly pants.

Incredibly pants. So much so, I'm half wondering how come it isn't seen as a breach of contract to send it to people with White Dwarf subscriptions, as it basically has no relationship to the subscribed incarnation."

You can't even use the Triggers Broom argument, as it's basically all of a sudden become a shovel.

I can't see myself buying the weekly one but I like the way the monthly one is said to be..
Starting to up my hopes a little bit further.

Da krimson barun wrote:so does this mean warhammer weekly 1 is WD 410?Or is it WW 1?It better be the first option...

That is definitely the number one concern.

timetowaste85 wrote:I'd guess French or German.

Let's hope German. Otherwise the forum will be flooded with endless hate threads by we-know-who

 silent25 wrote:
So English, Spanish, and what is the third language?

Do they sell the Spanish WD in the US (or Middle and South America)? If not, I wouldn't be too sure.

Why change the name of the mag? It's been White Dwarf for 30 years!

I miss Critical Mass, Derek the Troll, runequest scenarios and the WHFRP stats for the characters from the latest GW books.

Oh and proper Chapter Approved.



If there still was a quality magazine like that, with multiple games company scenarios, book review, tutorials etc, I'd totally blow a large sum on subscription to it.

 dakkajet wrote:
Why change the name of the mag? It's been White Dwarf for 30 years!

Because they were getting too many complaints about it being White Dwarf In Name Only?

 silent25 wrote:
That doesn't sound good. It will likely mean the large size is more due to repeated languages and not additional content. So English, Spanish, and what is the third language?

Well, I heard one version is English, French and German. Not sure if there is another version with other languages. And text is so short that they fit under the photo. So don't expect 3 versions of a Jervis Johnson column in here. Also not sure if painting guides could be made compatible (photos with colour name and brush are international after all).

BTW the weekly mag will get the White Dwarf name.

This plan has the potential to reap a monthly profit of 9 + 4x3.20 = 21.80€ instead of 8 € with the same team and the same (non-) content. At least that is what the managers seem to have in mind.

As someone who has every issue since 100, I think this is kind of a bummer. OTOH WD hasn't been good for a loooong time.

And producing a physical magazine in and Internet world is a tough business that is getting tougher.

In the end the dataslates, etc had to be the final straw. Once GW confirmed it could get people to pay piecemeal for the minimal original content + repurposed fluff and art that they used to put in WD...well, what's the point of the magazine, then?

 hubcap wrote:
As someone who has every issue since 100, I think this is kind of a bummer. OTOH WD hasn't been good for a loooong time.

And producing a physical magazine in and Internet world is a tough business that is getting tougher.

In the end the dataslates, etc had to be the final straw. Once GW confirmed it could get people to pay piecemeal for the minimal original content + repurposed fluff and art that they used to put in WD...well, what's the point of the magazine, then?

That is a VERY good point!

 fishy bob wrote:
Let's hope German. Otherwise the forum will be flooded with endless hate threads by we-know-who

It's obviously going to be French : not only is French one of the official language of the U.N. (VERY important), but also unlike German which is spoken only in a few European countries, French will also allow to sell the magazine all over Africa !

 Kroothawk wrote:

 silent25 wrote:
That doesn't sound good. It will likely mean the large size is more due to repeated languages and not additional content. So English, Spanish, and what is the third language?

Well, I heard one version is English, French and German. Not sure if there is another version with other languages. And text is so short that they fit under the photo. So don't expect 3 versions of a Jervis Johnson column in here. Also not sure if painting guides could be made compatible (photos with colour name and brush are international after all).

BTW the weekly mag will get the White Dwarf name.

This plan has the potential to reap a monthly profit of 9 + 4x3.20 = 21.80€ instead of 8 € with the same team and the same (non-) content. At least that is what the managers seem to have in mind.

Not a face palm gif big enough for this. They think they can get almost three times the money for something that is (as this thread plainly shows) only a pathetic, pale, shadow of what was once a decent product.

Bt then that's the GW business plan these days: smaller bits of product at jacked up prices.

Great news!

-C6

 Kroothawk wrote:

 silent25 wrote:
That doesn't sound good. It will likely mean the large size is more due to repeated languages and not additional content. So English, Spanish, and what is the third language?

Well, I heard one version is English, French and German. Not sure if there is another version with other languages. And text is so short that they fit under the photo. So don't expect 3 versions of a Jervis Johnson column in here. Also not sure if painting guides could be made compatible (photos with colour name and brush are international after all).

BTW the weekly mag will get the White Dwarf name.

This plan has the potential to reap a monthly profit of 9 + 4x3.20 = 21.80€ instead of 8 € with the same team and the same (non-) content. At least that is what the managers seem to have in mind.

Aye, yet another opportunity to regain some semblance of sanity and maybe even win back a few customers wasted on Kirby's Smaug-like lust for gold. I mean really, if they had actually tried to make the new monthly rag a proper hobby magazine again, with rules, editorials, conversion and painting guides, fiction, and showcases of customer and staff armies, they'd have been on to a winner, but this? They're essentially divvying up the same vacant non-content that was in the existing White Dwarf into smaller chunks and then charging more money for each chunk. And now one of the chunks doesn't even have acres of occasionally-interesting photos to cloak the fact that they essentially expect you to buy their catalogues from them.

Madness.

Looking on the birght side there will be more shelf space for No Quarter magazine at least. Heh.

Hat tip to Mr Thorgir who spotted the following

This is from the Helsinki GW facebook page:

Stop press, we have a new format of White Dwarf incoming!

Starting February 1st. White Dwarf will appear weekly. Within it's 32 pages you'll find everything you need to know about all the week’s other new releases and latest hobby news.

You’ll also find new features, new modelling and painting techniques, new rules, new columnists and much more. All of this will be available, for the price of a paint pot!

Alongside the the new White Dwarf, we'll have a brand new magazine; Warhammer: Visions. Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf – from Army of the Month and Blanchitsu, to Kit Bash and Paint Splatter. This 232 page tome will be available on the first Saturday of every month, for only 9€!

For those of you with subcriptions to the old White Dwarf, fear not, you will still be able to use them monthly. We'll have more information on the subscriptions for you on Thursday, so check back with us to find out how the new system will work.

Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf

Lies.

I'll have a minute's silence to remember a once great magazine, and all the good memories it gave me, but will I miss 10 pages of directory telling me the phone number of the hobby shop on the Falkland Islands? Will I miss Jervis' monthly columns?

Will I... <-------------------- insert your own 4 letter swear word here!

Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf

Does this mean that the new weekly White Dwarf contains all our least favorite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf? Sounds like a great deal then!

I reserve my judgement when I actually see the mags.

If done correctly it can be very good, strip off the new releases spam and fill 200 pages of hobby material?

Sounds good stuff but lets see.

I still have my sub and providing they don't change the price, conditions or terms of my sub then I will stick on with it and see what the new format is like.

Not holding out much hope though.

 NAVARRO wrote:
If done correctly it can be very good, strip off the new releases spam and fill 200 pages of hobby material?

Remember, practically no text, so don't expect 200 pages with experimental rules, background info, designer notes, painting workshops or the like. It's pretty pictures mostly.

The web site STILL has subs for white dwarf 'starting with the next issue' for sale.

They really have become incredibly unprofessional as a business.

See, the Gw Helsinki one, I'd probably be fine with, assuming it lived up to the advert, which it won't. Monthly picture book of other peoples toys... Nope

NoggintheNog wrote:
The web site STILL has subs for white dwarf 'starting with the next issue' for sale.
They really have become incredibly unprofessional as a business.

Well, no GW website manager wants to be fired for treason like his 15 predecessors last year

So, the 50 page new release section will be split and expanded into 4-5 36-ish page sections per month, each sold individually. Sounds great. And by great I mean not at all great.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Remember, practically no text, so don't expect 200 pages with experimental rules, background info, designer notes, painting workshops or the like. It's pretty pictures mostly.

Don't forget the endlessly useful tiny bits of text that tell you what's in the picture. Can't do without those.

GW is still aiming its marketing at the 12-14 year old audience. I expect any magazine they make to be heavily weighted toward this age group.

I dont really think the magazine will improve until GW changes uts attitude toward its customer base to be more inclusive.

Stops treating us like a necessary evil, you mean?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stops treating us like a necessary evil, you mean?

I doubt we are considered neccassarry to their business model at present.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
If done correctly it can be very good, strip off the new releases spam and fill 200 pages of hobby material?

Remember, practically no text, so don't expect 200 pages with experimental rules, background info, designer notes, painting workshops or the like. It's pretty pictures mostly.

True, thats why I don't spend money on it. The last revamp did not bring anything interesting that could have changed my mind towards it.

Is it true that warhammer visions will be only wfb and 40k? If so taking 1/3 of lotr out of those 200 pages will make space for more stuff.

I would not mind actually good coverages of golden deamons with entries from all angles etc they have a chance to make this mag something worth its money.

I've just got this dread fear that the new magazine will STILL include the phone number and address of the only hobby shop on the Falkland Islands! Nothing against the Falklands!

White Dwarf Weekly doesn't interest me one bit, but I'm definitely picking up the first issue of Warhammer Visions.

Alas poor what dwarf, I knew him well. I'll reserve judgement until I see the new mag, but I'm not expecting anything spectacular. All the conversion articles will just be combining GW parts, I don't foresee any articles for scratch built anything at all. Same for terrain. If you can't make it out of a GW product, forget it.

I predict two things:

1. Everyone will lose their gak (again) over not having access to rules once the weekly pamphlet goes out of print. Doing this has never been a good idea and it will never be a good idea as it creates fragmentation in available rules to the player base, this is also why Dataslates are terrible idea.

2. Every time sales slump, GW will create buzz about "revamping" the magazine to drum up some short term sales from all us hopeful buyers that think "this time they may get it right, this time they may return to the glory days".

 hubcap wrote:


And producing a physical magazine in and Internet world is a tough business that is getting tougher.

I disagree! Other hobby magazines like FineScale Modeler and Model Railroader have it figured out! Buy the print sub, get the digital free, or for a bit cheaper, get the digital-only. It doesn't cost anything more to make a digital copy, as the source files are digital for the print mag anyways. In fact, Model Railroader is now using their digital platform to give MORE content in terms of extra videos and such. This scheme seems only like a way to milk more money for less content, IMHO.

JWhex wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stops treating us like a necessary evil, you mean?

I doubt we are considered neccassarry to their business model at present.

I think he meant that more along the lines of GW considering human beings to be nothing more than an inconvenient Cash Register/Wallet interface technology.

While these arguments are successful at getting our blood boiling, this will not change until we quit buying their products. I know, it's easier said than done, but it's the only power we have as a consumer.

Have either been confirmed as print only?

So wait, they're going to split off the catalog part into a weekly/bi-weekly publication, but then instead of having a larger magazine filled with articles of the old style (think Stillmania, Tale of Four Gamers, Chambers of the Horned Rat), it's looking like it'll be more "Look at the pretty Studio army! Learn how you can buy something like this today!" stuff, PLUS getting a price hike?

Having not looked at the financials, are they in dire straits or something? This plus the constant price hikes over the past few years stink of desperation (or just good old greed) to turn a profit. They should be priced like how Warlord Games (isn't that run by ex-GW guys?) are, where you can get an actual playable army for like $120 or so, and then build from there with the special/cool big troops that are more pricey.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'll have a minute's silence to remember a once great magazine, and all the good memories it gave me, but will I miss 10 pages of directory telling me the phone number of the hobby shop on the Falkland Islands?

11 pages

NAVARRO wrote:Is it true that warhammer visions will be only wfb and 40k? If so taking 1/3 of lotr out of those 200 pages will make space for more stuff.

We don't know ATM if Hobbit stuff is included.

oni wrote:1. Everyone will lose their gak (again) over not having access to rules once the weekly pamphlet goes out of print. Doing this has never been a good idea and it will never be a good idea as it creates fragmentation in available rules to the player base, this is also why Dataslates are terrible idea.

The weekly WD will not be available after a month. Not sure about Warhammer Vision, but I guess neither.

dsteingass wrote:I disagree! Other hobby magazines like FineScale Modeler and Model Railroader have it figured out!

"Figured it out" is a bit strong: Model Railroader is a sorry shade of its former glory, only half or a third of its maximum size in better times, for about the same price. They survived, but they are not prospering for sure.

The Division Of Joy wrote:Have either been confirmed as print only?

Now for a minute imagine this thread, if GW confirmed to bring back fat bloke as editor in chief, allowed to recruit his own team.
With a background column by Gav Thorpe, a competitive play column by Alessio Calvatore, a terrain column by the guy building the studio terrain etc. You know, people providing real content for gamers, not the current blown up junk. Just imagine ...
Alas, decision at GW are currently made by people not familiar with the hobby at all, keeping the few pros in the studio from doing it right.

Meh, I don't buy the current WD and won't buy the new version either.

I imagine Fat Bloke is a bit busy running Warlord Games :p

 filbert wrote:
I still have my sub and providing they don't change the price, conditions or terms of my sub then I will stick on with it and see what the new format is like.

Not holding out much hope though.

This............

240 pages with no realeses!! Yay!

 dakkajet wrote:
240 pages with no realeses!! Yay!

You've misunderstood.

Its 240 pages of essentially only releases, with a bit of editorial content thrown in.

The "hobby" stuff, such as it is, will be in the weekly release.

Which is exactly the wrong way around for me.

 azreal13 wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:
240 pages with no realeses!! Yay!

You've misunderstood.

Its 240 pages of essentially only releases, with a bit of editorial content thrown in.

The "hobby" stuff, such as it is, will be in the weekly release.

Which is exactly the wrong way around for me.

I thought it was the other way around?

I said I'd try the monthly one, but apparently the weekly one is the one for me. To try out one issue at least.

On re-reading some stuff, it appears it is both!

Well, if I take the hypothetical position that it's going to be a worthwhile read, then I guess one will either spend a small fortune on magazines each month, or just pick and choose issues based on their personal relevance.

I still suspect it will be the status quo for me (not buying any issues at all)

 reds8n wrote:
Hat tip to Mr Thorgir who spotted the following

This is from the Helsinki GW facebook page:

Stop press, we have a new format of White Dwarf incoming!

Starting February 1st. White Dwarf will appear weekly. Within it's 32 pages you'll find everything you need to know about all the week’s other new releases and latest hobby news.

You’ll also find new features, new modelling and painting techniques, new rules, new columnists and much more. All of this will be available, for the price of a paint pot!

Alongside the the new White Dwarf, we'll have a brand new magazine; Warhammer: Visions. Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf – from Army of the Month and Blanchitsu, to Kit Bash and Paint Splatter. This 232 page tome will be available on the first Saturday of every month, for only 9€!

For those of you with subcriptions to the old White Dwarf, fear not, you will still be able to use them monthly. We'll have more information on the subscriptions for you on Thursday, so check back with us to find out how the new system will work.

32 pages... ?? a paint pot?
So 128 at 12€ vs the 150 at 8€ ?? Didn't imagine it could get worse....

But wait. They said rules. New rules. In 32 pages. A unit per month? A supplement?

Or get the "tome" of 232 pages. Sounds like a very very long column of J.J.

GW is essentially adopting a Micro Transaction model.

Splitting White Dwarf into two seperate magazines...

Digital micro transactions - Units, painting guides, fluff. Stuff that used to be included with rulebooks, or published in the monthly White Dwarf.

GW truly is the Wargaming equivalent to EA.

Just curious, but has anyone ever complained in writing to GW about the state of white dwarf? if so, what response did they get?

I would be interested to see how they justified the drop in quality

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1740018a

Well they are still selling standard White Dwarf subscriptions as of 2 min ago

Got a big of info, which might be somewhere in here.

Apparently its a 32page weekly white dwarf and once a month is a hobby focused one called warhammer visions.

Also GW will be releasing something every, single, week. Either in the form of dataslates, formations, missions or whatever. 40K is about to get very bloated, very unbalanced, very fast.

 dsteingass wrote:

 hubcap wrote:


And producing a physical magazine in and Internet world is a tough business that is getting tougher.

I disagree! Other hobby magazines like FineScale Modeler and Model Railroader have it figured out! Buy the print sub, get the digital free, or for a bit cheaper, get the digital-only. It doesn't cost anything more to make a digital copy, as the source files are digital for the print mag anyways. In fact, Model Railroader is now using their digital platform to give MORE content in terms of extra videos and such. This scheme seems only like a way to milk more money for less content, IMHO.

I'm not familiar with those but even they are suffering from falling sales:

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6302

But at any rate I agree with you about how to make money if you are a magazine. Try new stuff, offer extras, give people a reason to visit your website multiple time a week just in case something pops up.

Thing is, WD isn't really a magazine like FSM and MR. Normal magazines make their money from advertising from third parties, and encourage subscriptions because the bigger the circulation base, the higher the ad rates. Whatever they may lose on the subscription price, they make up for in ad rates. WD, of course, accepts no outside advertising. It's not a profit center for GW*, it's a marketing/promotional expense. It's pretty clear to me that GW is judging it by those standards, and not "is it a good magazine." And from that point of view there is very little incentive to spend any money on content. Why bother? To them it's basically Lucky magazine for toy soldier fans. And if that's all they want...I'm sure there are better ways for them to spend their promotional budget.

Mind you I think it is a short-sighted decision. But then I think that about a lot of GW's decisions the past two years. WHFB 8th is a tedious slog of a game. And 40k is such an insane jumble of conflicting and semi-released rules it is now essentially unplayable on a pickup basis. There's no point in looking for the man behind the curtain at GW...nobody's there.

1. Everyone will lose their gak (again) over not having access to rules once the weekly pamphlet goes out of print. Doing this has never been a good idea and it will never be a good idea as it creates fragmentation in available rules to the player base, this is also why Dataslates are terrible idea.

Well, I wouldn't worry about that. I can pretty much guarantee that no rules of any note - meaning units, army lists, characters, wargear - will be released in the magazine. It'll be scenarios and such. The dataslates have shown GW how to turn a promotional expense (content for WD) into a revenue source (people will pay for a page of alternative force org, a special character and four pieces of wargear!). The current GW management will never shift that stuff back to WD.

*People complain about the $12 price for a shiny full-color 100+ page WD. Well, the black-and-white, thin paper New Yorker's cover price is $7 an issue! Magazine production is expensive!

mickthesplit wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1740018a

Well they are still selling standard White Dwarf subscriptions as of 2 min ago

And they sell codexes about to become obsolete until the moment before the new one's release.

 reds8n wrote:
Hat tip to Mr Thorgir who spotted the following

This is from the Helsinki GW facebook page:

Stop press, we have a new format of White Dwarf incoming!

Starting February 1st. White Dwarf will appear weekly. Within it's 32 pages you'll find everything you need to know about all the week’s other new releases and latest hobby news.

You’ll also find new features, new modelling and painting techniques, new rules, new columnists and much more. All of this will be available, for the price of a paint pot!

Alongside the the new White Dwarf, we'll have a brand new magazine; Warhammer: Visions. Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf – from Army of the Month and Blanchitsu, to Kit Bash and Paint Splatter. This 232 page tome will be available on the first Saturday of every month, for only 9€!

For those of you with subcriptions to the old White Dwarf, fear not, you will still be able to use them monthly. We'll have more information on the subscriptions for you on Thursday, so check back with us to find out how the new system will work.

Nice find, thanks thorgir and red!

How you can split a magazine in half that already has no content is beyond me. You could do something really creative with White Dwarf but that requires investment they aren't willing to put in. It's simply there to directly push product instead of make people enthusiastic about modelling/gaming. It's funny seeing people like xruslanx wearing his ignorance on his sleeve and claiming it was always poor because he read it for a year in 2000 so obviously it's always been that way. I, like many, have White Dwarfs going back to the 80s, there's no 'hindsight playing wonders' needed, you can get one of these old magazines out and see that it's packed full of text, it's got scenarios and new/alternate rules, things to cut out and plans to make stuff. I keep those old magazines because they've got things like templates for scratch building and whole scenarios for roleplaying with all the maps and character stats, or Space Hulk rules and Missions with maps and counters/floor tiles to copy and cut out. The current magazine has twice as many pages and is all white space, there's bugger all to actually read.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
How you can split a magazine in half that already has no content is beyond me. You could do something really creative with White Dwarf but that requires investment they aren't willing to put in. It's simply there to directly push product instead of make people enthusiastic about modelling/gaming. It's funny seeing people like xruslanx wearing his ignorance on his sleeve and claiming it was always poor because he read it for a year in 2000 so obviously it's always been that way. I, like many, have White Dwarfs going back to the 80s, there's no 'hindsight playing wonders' needed, you can get one of these old magazines out and see that it's packed full of text, it's got scenarios and new/alternate rules, things to cut out and plans to make stuff. I keep those old magazines because they've got things like templates for scratch building and whole scenarios for roleplaying with all the maps and character stats, or Space Hulk rules and Missions with maps and counters/floor tiles to copy and cut out. The current magazine has twice as many pages and is all white space, there's bugger all to actually read.

I'm of exactly the same opinion - I have WD (Australian edition no's) 109 to 400, and from about 2010 onwards, I was only still subscribing in the (vain) hope that things would approve.

theAnt wrote:
Just curious, but has anyone ever complained in writing to GW about the state of white dwarf? if so, what response did they get?

I would be interested to see how they justified the drop in quality

Me and Dakkajet have complained about the lack of hobbit several times.Pass on to the white dwarf team?Yeah right!

Da krimson barun wrote:

theAnt wrote:
Just curious, but has anyone ever complained in writing to GW about the state of white dwarf? if so, what response did they get?

I would be interested to see how they justified the drop in quality

Me and Dakkajet have complained about the lack of hobbit several times.Pass on to the white dwarf team?Yeah right!

The email I sent was forwarded to White Dwarf (by email) weather it was or not I'm not sure.

I wonder if any of the weekly stuff will be repeated in the monthly one?

And as for moaning about the extra cost people have voted with their wallets by still paying their outrageous prices. Someone mentioned that its targeted towards teenagers and GW need to realise what their real buying fan base is, well that's easy, the majority must be people in full time employment who still live with their parents to afford all the new stuff...

Most of the rumours from the past few months have come from leaked WD pics. Am curious to see if the rumoured new mag uses a different printer/distributor, in attempt to stem the leak.

A weekly magazine? My god. GW struggled to fill its page quota for a monthly issue, filling it with things like phonenumbers. I can't imagine how bad the content will be in a weekly "magazine".

Anyway, it seems this is mostly a scam to get people to pay twice as much for what they got before by splitting the magazine in half. I'm sure the price will stay the same.

 Harriticus wrote:
Anyway, it seems this is mostly a scam to get people to pay twice as much for what they got before by splitting the magazine in half. I'm sure the price will stay the same.

Not quite. They're getting people to pay three times as much, and the price of the monthly magazine is increasing.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Anyway, it seems this is mostly a scam to get people to pay twice as much for what they got before by splitting the magazine in half. I'm sure the price will stay the same.

Not quite. They're getting people to pay three times as much, and the price of the monthly magazine is increasing.

I think this is amazing, and wish to thank GW wholeheartedly - no, really I do.

With splitting WD in two, I'm saving money on not buying the weekly one, and by ramping up the cost of the monthly mag, I'm, saving more by not buying that either.

Thanks GW

 Ravenous D wrote:

Also GW will be releasing something every, single, week. Either in the form of dataslates, formations, missions or whatever. 40K is about to get very bloated, very unbalanced, very fast.

And why not? How much does it cost GW to pay a writer for one hour to literally type a single page of rules, and then pay a graphic designer to create an Epub/PDF of these rules and upload them to their site? A couple hundred bucks at the max? And then charge even as low as 5.99 for it (but this is GW we're talking about; try 10 bucks minimum)?

Even if only half a thousand people buy it, you're looking at a MASSIVE profit for GW on the product.

Business genius. Getting into the digital/micro-transaction market is the smartest thing GW has ever done.

Lulz.

Just been through my back catalogue of WD - I've got over 200 issues stacked up in a cupboard. If those fell over, there's a good chance I could be trapped underneath them!

Was planning on having a mass bonfire with an effigy of Kirby on top, because trying to sell them on ebay is a nightmare?

Anybody else had problems selling old WDs on ebay?

How do you mean problems? I would suggest you would be lucky to shift more recent issues, say in the last 10 years or so but earlier issues still sell well. I am always buying issues from Ebay for old Epic rules and what-not that were featured.

As a direct debit subscriber in the uk I have yet to hear anything official on this yet. There has been nothing on the GW website and I have received no letter in the post. Everyone seems to be treating this as 100% going to happen but where is the proof? All I have seen or heard about is rumours. Could someone fill me in please?

The "rumour" started the day when retailers were officially informed by GW. So it is coming.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Just been through my back catalogue of WD - I've got over 200 issues stacked up in a cupboard. If those fell over, there's a good chance I could be trapped underneath them!

Was planning on having a mass bonfire with an effigy of Kirby on top, because trying to sell them on ebay is a nightmare?

Anybody else had problems selling old WDs on ebay?

I tried giving them away for free here and I only got messages for the sisters dex one. Burn them all laddy.

I've got around 50 WD issues, tried selling them for 40p each, no luck.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Just been through my back catalogue of WD - I've got over 200 issues stacked up in a cupboard. If those fell over, there's a good chance I could be trapped underneath them!

Was planning on having a mass bonfire with an effigy of Kirby on top, because trying to sell them on ebay is a nightmare?

Anybody else had problems selling old WDs on ebay?

Having been looking over the past few days there seems to be a market for the older ones. Though the issue is going to be the time to list them individually, or the shipping to send them in anything other than ones or twos. Unless you sell them as a job lot for collection only, but that limits the money and interest you'll get.

Does anyone know how the Golden Tickets are going to work now?

 filbert wrote:
How do you mean problems? I would suggest you would be lucky to shift more recent issues, say in the last 10 years or so but earlier issues still sell well. I am always buying issues from Ebay for old Epic rules and what-not that were featured.

To say that some of them were worn would be an understatement!

I'll say one thing about WD - it's good for swotting wasps!


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Just been through my back catalogue of WD - I've got over 200 issues stacked up in a cupboard. If those fell over, there's a good chance I could be trapped underneath them!

Was planning on having a mass bonfire with an effigy of Kirby on top, because trying to sell them on ebay is a nightmare?

Anybody else had problems selling old WDs on ebay?

Having been looking over the past few days there seems to be a market for the older ones. Though the issue is going to be the time to list them individually, or the shipping to send them in anything other than ones or twos. Unless you sell them as a job lot for collection only, but that limits the money and interest you'll get.

Listing them individually would be a total hassle - all those photos. If I could train a monkey...


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I've got around 50 WD issues, tried selling them for 40p each, no luck.

Charity shop?


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 Ravenous D wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Just been through my back catalogue of WD - I've got over 200 issues stacked up in a cupboard. If those fell over, there's a good chance I could be trapped underneath them!

Was planning on having a mass bonfire with an effigy of Kirby on top, because trying to sell them on ebay is a nightmare?

Anybody else had problems selling old WDs on ebay?

I tried giving them away for free here and I only got messages for the sisters dex one. Burn them all laddy.

Yeah, same here - once I sold the sisters dex, nobody was interested. Shame, cos I have lots of fond memories. Looks like it will be burning, then.

If advertised correctly, you should have no problem whatsoever selling the WD with the Liber Sororitas (293 UK).

I'll quite happily take peoples old white dwarves off them. I mainly have issues 100-200 approx, so if anyone is giving them away then PM me (anti GW tears damaged ones not accepted)

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Charity shop?

Yeah, same here - once I sold the sisters dex, nobody was interested. Shame, cos I have lots of fond memories. Looks like it will be burning, then.

Go with the charity shop. While I can see the spiteful towards GW angle with the burning, they already got your money. Better to give them away to a charity shop so someone else can enjoy them without giving GW a cent for them - instead giving some cash to a charity.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=12800022

White Dwarf magazine goes weekly!

Saturday 1 February sees the birth of the new, weekly, White Dwarf magazine.

Saturday 1 February sees the birth of the new, monthly, Warhammer: Visions magazine.

Yes, that’s right. We’ll be launching two new magazines on the same day, Saturday 1 February.

White Dwarf, now weekly.

From Saturday 1 February, White Dwarf will be available each and every Saturday exclusively in your local Games Workshop store, Independent Stockist and at games-workshop.com

White Dwarf will contain everything that’s new and exciting in the hobby that week, from news and information on all the week’s other new releases, to new columnists, interviews, painting, modelling, game rules and much more. And the price? The same as a pot of your favourite Citadel paint.

Warhammer: Visions, now monthly.

Warhammer: Visions will be available on the first Saturday every month in your local Games Workshop store, Independent Stockist, games-workshop.com and local newsstands in the UK, Europe and Australia.

Warhammer: Visions is a completely new monthly magazine, also from the White Dwarf team. It’s unlike anything we’ve ever done before and this super high-quality visual feast weighs in at a whopping 236 pages, each and every month.

Just 17 days to go and counting.

After months of planning and hard work, we’re really excited to be able to share this news with you. We were overwhelmed by all the support and feedback you gave us last time we relaunched White Dwarf back in September 2012 (and by your emails and photos that you send us every day – please keep them coming), and we’re even more excited by what we’ve got coming up for you in 2014.

If you can’t wait for Saturday 1 February and want to know more, then your local Games Workshop store manager has more info…

just got to wait for the paint pot price rise then and we're sorted.

White Dwarf wrote:We were overwhelmed by all the support and feedback you gave us last time we relaunched White Dwarf back in September 2012...

Is that so? Well the proof will be in the pudding, as they say.


This is clearly one of those "Fool me once..." situations, but even if the new weekly rag is full of actual real content, and not "Buy all our playsets and toys!" bull gak, I dread the idea of new rules on a weekly basis. How the feth is anyone going to keep up with that?

I spoke to someone from our FLGS last night at our gaming club about this.

He may have confirmed that they had an e-mail pretty much saying the monthly one is a catalog (as if they needed confirming but anyway...) with little actual content.

Sad days indeed, a lot of cancelled white dwarf subscriptions will be happening i think. All 4 of the guys i spoke to who subscribe told me the last update left them massively disappointed and this was the tipping point that will get them to cancel.

 manrogue wrote:
... the monthly one is a catalog (as if they needed confirming but anyway...) with little actual content.

So... no change then?

(/free kick)

I'll probably buy one to see what they're like, though I'm not expecting much.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 manrogue wrote:
... the monthly one is a catalog (as if they needed confirming but anyway...) with little actual content.

So... no change then?

(/free kick)

Yep