Galas wrote: My problem with the Necron fortification it that it is boring. 40K team should learn from AoS theam how to make impactfull and usefull scenography. And here it has points so they can actually balance it.
"here's a big central pillar that feths your army with no counter play"
I really dislike a lot of AoS scenery for being just board covering nerfs for the enemy. Super annoying.
Besides the Bonetithe Nexus, I'd say that most faction terrain really isn't that bad. Bonetithe is probably the most powerful faction terrain in the game though.
Well obr is overall top level so not much. Flesh eaters meanwhi'e get short ranged ld buff/debuff i have yet to use and free summon for foot abhorrants so generally 1-2 cp saved. Nice but not earthshattering.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Not all for me. I'm only getting one. Two are for one friend, and three are for another. My store sold out in 5m flat. I completed my order 1m16s after they went up for pre-order.
As I said earlier, my store was SOLD OUT of pre-orders before Pre-Orders began. They had pre-ordered the pre-order and now they have zero allocated for tomorrow.
Well allocating stock before preorder date is breach of trade terms. Maybe gw punished your store for violating terms.
Galas wrote: My problem with the Necron fortification it that it is boring. 40K team should learn from AoS theam how to make impactfull and usefull scenography. And here it has points so they can actually balance it.
"here's a big central pillar that feths your army with no counter play"
I really dislike a lot of AoS scenery for being just board covering nerfs for the enemy. Super annoying.
Besides the Bonetithe Nexus, I'd say that most faction terrain really isn't that bad. Bonetithe is probably the most powerful faction terrain in the game though.
Well obr is overall top level so not much. Flesh eaters meanwhi'e get short ranged ld buff/debuff i have yet to use and free summon for foot abhorrants so generally 1-2 cp saved. Nice but not earthshattering.
And then there’s Wyldwoods where so many of the army’s rules are tied to them.
Yeah, I'll never understand how people can put the blame on the "community" like with loot boxes. "If you don't want those, don't buy it, is our falt they are popular!"
Like. Companies spend millions of dollars into marketing research to NOT allow people to have an informed and rational decision but an impulsive one about their products, like that logaritm Ubisoft patented to put free to play players vs P2W players in such a way to not make it intrusive but to incentivice the free players to buy the premium products on their F2P game.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
You say that like they needed to learn it from someone. This exact thing happened way back in 6th Ed with Dark Vengeance.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
I strongly suspect that this isn't the case. I've no special insight, obviously, but since the economic shutdown started I've been regulalry checking my retailers (half dozen of them) for specific stuff I want, but it's all been perpetually out of stock. Like, all of it, even little things like a Necromunda gang or a squad of Primaris, let alone the bigger things I was after. This continued long after the production started back up (couple of months ago now?). Only now is it gradually becoming available again. I kind of got the idea that GW have been plowing almost all of their efforts into this new 9th box, which is to say that I think that production of their other items has suffered in the mean time due to Covid, but that the resources they would have dedicated to this launch probably haven't.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
Yeah, it was planned. There's no reason to find excuses outside of GW. The only thing in the box that they can't readily make more of themselves is the rule book, and loathe as they are to restock many paper based items, that approach simply cannot apply to the core rule book of the current edition. If they wanted people to get more of the box, they'd just make more and tell people that even though there may be a wait involved, everyone can eventually get it. Instead we get "when it's gone, it's gone" marketing. That's pretty indicative of GW's release plan.
They're open about the box not being a starter set in the sense we had for every edition since 2nd ed. It's another variation of the battle boxes we know and love for their limited availability and FOMO marketing. GW certainly didn't need any pandemic to artificially limit those. And they just as certainly don't need one for this box, even if it happened to come along regardless.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
The blithe acceptance that "Well this is just the way things are" are why things will continue to get worse in our flaccid cyberpunk dystopia.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce. Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how in advance more or less the exact quantity it has to produce (something that reduce cost). But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Really? I couldn't tell you a company with more than 10 employees that hasn't done some "Available while stocks last" or "Available in limited quantities" or "Available for limited time only" at some point.
Even food joints and grocery markets and whatever. Hell, even purely digital stuff that is genuinely unlimited from a technical side use it, e.g. the first 1000 people to download this DLC or pre-order that steam game get "exclusive, limited, never-will-we-see-it-again-random-character-skin", etc.., etc.., etc..
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
The blithe acceptance that "Well this is just the way things are" are why things will continue to get worse in our flaccid cyberpunk dystopia.
Brother, the revolution will never start with “Join me in uprising! Our plastic men are too damned manipulatively expensive!”
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
You don't get to purchase the X nintendo software when it's out after pre-order ?
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Really? I couldn't tell you a company with more than 10 employees that hasn't done some "Available while stocks last" or "Available in limited quantities" or "Available for limited time only" at some point.
Even food joints and grocery markets and whatever. Hell, even purely digital stuff that is genuinely unlimited from a technical side use it, e.g. the first 1000 people to download this DLC or pre-order that steam game get "exclusive, limited, never-will-we-see-it-again-random-character-skin", etc.., etc.., etc..
Small firms are limited in production capacity, hence why they do that : they need to know the exact number of goods they produce, and they need to sell all the goods they produce or they loose too many. GW is no small firm, the logic is totally different.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
I believe the 15 lead window for the pre-order is to leave time for GW to produce the second wave of indomitus for an August release. I have no evidence neither do I have doubt.
Galas wrote: I believe the 15 lead window for the pre-order is to leave time for GW to produce the second wave of indomitus for an August release. I have no evidence neither do I have doubt.
Seeing they have been consistent in pointing out this is limited time set available only while stocks last optimistic.
Gw doesn"t want to sell discount boxes too much or they hurt sales of full price kits.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce. Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce. Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
You understand GW doesn't do traditional pre-orders where stock is allocated based on pre-orders, correct? Stock numbers and allocation for this release were decided before these pre-orders went up, it's more a pre-sale than an actual pre-order. It's a comparable situation.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
Yes so you agree with my original point : it is not a typical "pre-order" period, it is a marketing trick to create artificial shortage.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
You understand GW doesn't do traditional pre-orders where GW allocates stock based on pre-orders, correct? Stock numbers and allocation for this release were decided before these pre-orders went up. It's a comparable situation.
So you agree with me, it's no typical pre-order but a marketing trick.
So 10gmt hit and...gw site down for maintanance doesn't bother me as i'll get if i get from flgs and even missing won't bother me but damn this is going to be circus
Oof that was rough, went through like 5 website is down screens but I managed to get my order through and the received the email confirmation. Hopefully you guys can get yours as well.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence. Yes so you agree with my original point : it is not a typical "pre-order" period, it is a marketing trick to create artificial shortage.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce. Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
You understand GW doesn't do traditional pre-orders where GW allocates stock based on pre-orders, correct? Stock numbers and allocation for this release were decided before these pre-orders went up. It's a comparable situation.
So you agree with me, it's no typical pre-order but a marketing trick.
Stratigo literally called what Nintendo and Sony do a marketing trick and that GW was just copying them.
The Phazer wrote: The UK is up. My order is in (and I didn't buy Indomitus, so more for any of you who want it).
And half of the retailers I use are down PepeLaugh. I guess there really is going to be none of these available to buy, and I was hoping to get mine Monday. Oh well.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
Yes so you agree with my original point : it is not a typical "pre-order" period, it is a marketing trick to create artificial shortage.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
I don’t think we can truly blame GW for operating competitively in the modern Consumer Economy. If they didn’t, they’d have been out-competed by their competitors and they’d die... and then we’d still be left with the other companies operating in this fashion.
Also, this isn’t Food or Medicine—it’s a luxury good.
Tell me of a firm that doesn't produce enough and create artificial shortage, like GW, to increase prices ? Apple ? That's it, most of the goods that are produced nowadays are easy to purchase day 1, even something like a playstation that cost way more than plastic crack to produce.
Stop trying to defend shaddy business practices.
Even the idea of preorder doesn't make sense in GW's case : pre-order is a way for the firm to know how many it has to produce (something that reduce cost) during the time of the pre-order. But in GW's case in all reversed : they produce a certain number and give that number in pre-order until they're out of stock. Why can't they just put all the box they produced on the shelf and permit purchase ? Why do they give theirselves a 15 days preorder period ? It's marketing, nothing else.
I mean... nintendo XD. Like constantly.
If you extend this to software and not just physical goods, fortnight (the biggest game on earth ATM) lives off this idea.
Also Sony. Both are pretty infamous for shorting stock rather than miss their holiday based release dates.
You guys are unable to think rationally. You're talking about shorting stocks during a release. I'm talking about a 15 days PRE-ORDER having shortage after 1 hour max. Those two are totally different. No there are no shorting stocks DURING PRE-ORDER when you pre-order a game from nintendo.
You understand GW doesn't do traditional pre-orders where GW allocates stock based on pre-orders, correct? Stock numbers and allocation for this release were decided before these pre-orders went up. It's a comparable situation.
So you agree with me, it's no typical pre-order but a marketing trick.
Technically, you're agreeing with me. Stratigo literally called what Nintendo and Sony do a marketing trick and that GW was just copying them.
Are you telling me you cannot pre-order a nintendo game during the pre-order period ? I've never seen that.
Shortage and shortage during pre-order a two totally different things.
Mixzremixzd wrote: Oof that was rough, went through like 5 website is down screens but I managed to get my order through and the received the email confirmation. Hopefully you guys can get yours as well.
The GW website was fine, and Indomitus was up by 9.55 so I was luckily able to get my order in, looks like their website has fallen over now. The likes of element and firestorm seem to be having the same issues.
It must really be in short supply Element Games only have store collect option for full retail £125. Had to order direct from GW in the end which is annoying as I have EG store credit to spend!
Looking at the preview pictures GW has on its website for Chapter Approved, I notied that the mission pack contains a lot of the rules of 40k, or at least it seems it does. There's 20 pages core rules (I suppose just the free PDF version), but also extra rules on reserves, terrain, etc. Are these rules different from the main book? I really don't get the point of printing those rules in Chapter Approved and the Core Rulebook. I haven't looked properly at the leaked rules from the Rulebook, but how much is in there that isn't covered by CA2020? It's a real shame we don't seem to get any previews of CA2020, because I'd like to know what's really in it before placing my order.
On the subject of Indomitus - have GW stated that the new points costs are in the rulebook, or are they actually making players buy two seperate rulebooks before they can play 9th edition now?
A.T. wrote: On the subject of Indomitus - have GW stated that the new points costs are in the rulebook, or are they actually making players buy two seperate rulebooks before they can play 9th edition now?
A.T. wrote: On the subject of Indomitus - have GW stated that the new points costs are in the rulebook, or are they actually making players buy two seperate rulebooks before they can play 9th edition now?
No points in the rulebook and no points in the short codex in the indomitus box (only power thing).
A.T. wrote: On the subject of Indomitus - have GW stated that the new points costs are in the rulebook, or are they actually making players buy two seperate rulebooks before they can play 9th edition now?
Points are in CA. They're not making you buy more than the rules to play because PL exists.
Galas wrote: I believe the 15 lead window for the pre-order is to leave time for GW to produce the second wave of indomitus for an August release. I have no evidence neither do I have doubt.
Seeing they have been consistent in pointing out this is limited time set available only while stocks last optimistic.
Gw doesn"t want to sell discount boxes too much or they hurt sales of full price kits.
You have that reversed actually. GW's "full price" kits are so expensive so that you are more psychologically primed to buy their discount boxes.
Element said the same in their email. Stores have basically no stock for the release date but will be getting more store 4 weeks later, so if you preorder from them it’s most likely coming in August.
The likes of them and element have been told that more of the boxes will be made and released for that date. We had that with the Sister's box, by November it was easy to get your hands on.
All in all though this is a bit of a PR disaster for Gw.
A.T. wrote: On the subject of Indomitus - have GW stated that the new points costs are in the rulebook, or are they actually making players buy two seperate rulebooks before they can play 9th edition now?
Points are in CA. They're not making you buy more than the rules to play because PL exists.
Are pl's available for free then? Seeing they get updated the ones in codex are just as valid and up to date as points
The idea that the starter box is somehow a limited edition product is blatantly a call to action from marketing. Rarity to encourage purchase.
They are push fit models, GW will make millions of them. What will likely happen to get around any accusation of fraud is that indomitus will be replaced by a new box set with the exact same models but with a printed version of the free download rules instead of the full rulebook and be on general sale in time for christmas.
Galas wrote: I believe the 15 lead window for the pre-order is to leave time for GW to produce the second wave of indomitus for an August release. I have no evidence neither do I have doubt.
Seeing they have been consistent in pointing out this is limited time set available only while stocks last optimistic.
Gw doesn"t want to sell discount boxes too much or they hurt sales of full price kits.
You have that reversed actually. GW's "full price" kits are so expensive so that you are more psychologically primed to buy their discount boxes.
Players want to buy but gw doesn't want to sell. Which is why gw deliberately under produces stuff. It's choice of gw how much they sell discount boxns and it's always less than demand
I wish sincere good luck to everyone who doesn't have a good FLGS to take care of them. I'm getting a box and another Necron half and I'll be paying barely above retail for 1 box.
Here in the UK Indomitus sold out on GW’s store in less than fifteen minutes. Thought they made loads of copies lol Managed to get a box thankfully, but Element didn’t have copies for almost ten minutes and once they did, it was collection only
I managed to get one but the UK webstore is sold out now less than 30 minutes into a 2 week window. I think they should have limited it to one per customer but I suppose that would only have expanded the window of opportunity by a few more minutes.
NoggintheNog wrote: The idea that the starter box is somehow a limited edition product is blatantly a call to action from marketing. Rarity to encourage purchase.
They are push fit models, GW will make millions of them. What will likely happen to get around any accusation of fraud is that indomitus will be replaced by a new box set with the exact same models but with a printed version of the free download rules instead of the full rulebook and be on general sale in time for christmas.
Eh...gw never ever has said this is starter set. In fact they have been shouting it is not on top of their lungs yet some people still think this is starter set. It is not
This is a 2 wave release, the first batch of stock will be available for the release date of the 25th July, the second is due to arrive in late August. You will be informed which wave your order is as soon as we can.
Don't panic guys. It looks like GW is not gonna make just one wave of this.
MPJ wrote: Here in the UK Indomitus sold out on GW’s store in less than fifteen minutes. Thought they made loads of copies lol Managed to get a box thankfully, but Element didn’t have copies for almost ten minutes and once they did, it was collection only
This is a 2 wave release, the first batch of stock will be available for the release date of the 25th July, the second is due to arrive in late August. You will be informed which wave your order is as soon as we can.
Don't panic guys. It looks like GW is not gonna make just one wave of this.
This is a 2 wave release, the first batch of stock will be available for the release date of the 25th July, the second is due to arrive in late August. You will be informed which wave your order is as soon as we can.
Don't panic guys. It looks like GW is not gonna make just one wave of this.
Artificial shortage.
It has been noted to me that maybe that store is just having their whole allocation divided between two waves so don't take my word as granted.
Thanks for that, hope others can snap one up, went from 83 to 12 in stock as I placed my order
They had 228 when I looked at 10am. Personally I'm suspicious at that number given the 45 copies rumour that's been going around so I wouldn't be too hopeful (sorry). Then again, if we're being optimistic, hopefully they (and all retailers) will be able to fulfill all orders given time (this would make most sense to me).
Thanks for that, hope others can snap one up, went from 83 to 12 in stock as I placed my order
They had 228 when I looked at 10am. Personally I'm suspicious at that number given the 45 copies rumour that's been going around so I wouldn't be too hopeful (sorry). Then again, if we're being optimistic, hopefully they (and all retailers) will be able to fulfill all orders given time (this would make most sense to me).
The very next day after being told by GW they'd only get 45, my local was told that that they were receiving considerably more than 45. GW backtracked on that 45 real fast.
Platuan4th wrote: Points are in CA. They're not making you buy more than the rules to play because PL exists.
Yeah... i'm thinking they can bite my shiney ass on that one. Splitting their core rules into two books so that you have to buy twice is scummy even for GW.
I believe they experimented with 8th, having dark imperium, the medium tier starter and the First Strike.
Maybe thats how things are gonna be now. A big, limited box for us veterans to fight ourselves over, a medium one for actual new people and the "I'm gonna gift you this" smaller one.
Platuan4th wrote: Points are in CA. They're not making you buy more than the rules to play because PL exists.
Yeah... i'm thinking they can bite my shiney ass on that one. Splitting their core rules into two books so that you have to buy twice is scummy even for GW.
The only time the core rule book has had the points in it have been Rogue Trader and 3rd Ed, why is this suddenly expected? Even 8th "made" you buy the Indexes for both points AND PL until the instruction pamphlets in the boxes changed.
I'm looking forward to the WarCom article in the evening that you can now preorder Indomitus long after its already sold out
Maybe they will confirm or deny the Wave 2 in August thing in that article but probably not
Platuan4th wrote: Points are in CA. They're not making you buy more than the rules to play because PL exists.
Yeah... i'm thinking they can bite my shiney ass on that one. Splitting their core rules into two books so that you have to buy twice is scummy even for GW.
Eh gw hasn't sold for decades points with rulebook. Last time 3rd ed index level
Everybody talking about the indomitus box and I'm just over here waiting for points leaks.
IDGAF about getting indomitus on day 1. They'll have shelves full of them eventually just like they did with the sisters box. Just gimme the points bro. I need my points.
Platuan4th wrote: Points are in CA. They're not making you buy more than the rules to play because PL exists.
Yeah... i'm thinking they can bite my shiney ass on that one. Splitting their core rules into two books so that you have to buy twice is scummy even for GW.
Eh gw hasn't sold for decades points with rulebook. Last time 3rd ed index level
ERJAK wrote: Everybody talking about the indomitus box and I'm just over here waiting for points leaks.
IDGAF about getting indomitus on day 1. They'll have shelves full of them eventually just like they did with the sisters box. Just gimme the points bro. I need my points.
I want the new FW books I have lots of pretty models that are unplayably over pointed
H.B.M.C. wrote: There was literally nothing stopping them from releasing new points in a PDF through WarCom.
jivardi wrote: 2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
Again you assume that the people saying one thing are the same people saying another thing.
This is Dakka, home of assumptions. It's assumed that the vast majority of 40k players IN THE WORLD hate 9th edition, or at least a lot of regular posters would have people believe when I see "nobody" or everybody" or "the majority".
So I just jumped on the assumption bandwagon, trying to fit in with the cool kids.
I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA.
Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released.
I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
I mean... commentary on how GW is utilizing marketing practices to create artificial scarcity as a tool to manipulate consumers into making purchases without investing the proper level of consideration for FOMO isn't because we're all so garsh darn jonesing for the models.
Here's a hint, I did not preorder any boxes. I don't pre order things from GW. In general I just don't pre order. Pre orders are, largely, bad (and also why a donation to kick starter should be considered charity and not a purchase as a complete aside).
Will I end up with an indomitus box? Well never a full one, but if one of the handful of necron players in my community is in the store and I'm in the store and there's a box, I'd shell 100 for the marine half, provided someone way more into marines isn't also there and wants to split it.
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Jidmah wrote: I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA.
Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released.
I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
This has always been my paradox with GW codexes. I budget the money for my hobby. Sometimes I can budget a rather lot of money. But every dollar spent on a book isn't a dollar I spend in addition. It's a dollar out of my budget, that I'd rather spend on a model.
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
You're so addicted you can't even criticize your dealer.
Just because you have negatives to say about them doesn't mean everyone else does.
Is GW as a company perfect? No but no company is because no human is perfect. I can name lots of other companies who have, at times, not made enough product to fill demand.
I'm not going to stop buying models because GW makes a few mistakes. If I didn't buy product from companies that made mistakes I'd starve to death or have to produce my own food, make my own clothes, build my own car, etc.
I'm just laughing at the sheer lunacy of the "GW sucks and their rules suck crowd" freaking out because they can't buy that thing they hate from a company they can't say anything good about. LOL.
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
You're so addicted you can't even criticize your dealer.
Just because you have negatives to say about them doesn't mean everyone else does.
Is GW as a company perfect? No but no company is because no human is perfect. I can name lots of other companies who have, at times, not made enough product to fill demand.
I'm not going to stop buying models because GW makes a few mistakes. If I didn't buy product from companies that made mistakes I'd starve to death or have to produce my own food, make my own clothes, build my own car, etc.
I'm just laughing at the sheer lunacy of the "GW sucks and their rules suck crowd" freaking out because they can't buy that thing they hate from a company they can't say anything good about. LOL.
I mean, their models are the only thing that don’t suck besides maybe raw ease of getting a pickup game, and this is primarily a model release.
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
You're so addicted you can't even criticize your dealer.
Just because you have negatives to say about them doesn't mean everyone else does.
Is GW as a company perfect? No but no company is because no human is perfect. I can name lots of other companies who have, at times, not made enough product to fill demand.
I'm not going to stop buying models because GW makes a few mistakes. If I didn't buy product from companies that made mistakes I'd starve to death or have to produce my own food, make my own clothes, build my own car, etc.
I'm just laughing at the sheer lunacy of the "GW sucks and their rules suck crowd" freaking out because they can't buy that thing they hate from a company they can't say anything good about. LOL.
Again, this isn't likely to be a mistake. It's just marketing. And that should be a problem.
ERJAK wrote: Everybody talking about the indomitus box and I'm just over here waiting for points leaks.
IDGAF about getting indomitus on day 1. They'll have shelves full of them eventually just like they did with the sisters box. Just gimme the points bro. I need my points.
I want the new FW books I have lots of pretty models that are unplayably over pointed
Then you are better hoping no new book before gw puts resin tax even more higher to ensure players don't buy resin models to spam
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
I mean... commentary on how GW is utilizing marketing practices to create artificial scarcity as a tool to manipulate consumers into making purchases without investing the proper level of consideration for FOMO isn't because we're all so garsh darn jonesing for the models.
Here's a hint, I did not preorder any boxes. I don't pre order things from GW. In general I just don't pre order. Pre orders are, largely, bad (and also why a donation to kick starter should be considered charity and not a purchase as a complete aside).
Will I end up with an indomitus box? Well never a full one, but if one of the handful of necron players in my community is in the store and I'm in the store and there's a box, I'd shell 100 for the marine half, provided someone way more into marines isn't also there and wants to split it.
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Jidmah wrote: I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA.
Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released.
I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
This has always been my paradox with GW codexes. I budget the money for my hobby. Sometimes I can budget a rather lot of money. But every dollar spent on a book isn't a dollar I spend in addition. It's a dollar out of my budget, that I'd rather spend on a model.
Speculation sure but I've seen quite a few posts saying that GW purposely shortened supply to manipulate customers is pretty far reaching, without proof. It could be that GW honestly did not plan ahead, did not have the resources to produce enough (we are in the midst of a pandemic and IIRC correctly doesn't GW outsource to China or other countries for some products?) It's pretty bold to claim that GW is behaving in a shady manner. Then again it's no shock as this forum, or at least some posters on this forum, love to throw around assumptions and speculations like Catholics throw accolades toward the Pope.
ERJAK wrote: Everybody talking about the indomitus box and I'm just over here waiting for points leaks.
IDGAF about getting indomitus on day 1. They'll have shelves full of them eventually just like they did with the sisters box. Just gimme the points bro. I need my points.
I want the new FW books I have lots of pretty models that are unplayably over pointed
Then you are better hoping no new book before gw puts resin tax even more higher to ensure players don't buy resin models to spam
FW points are in CA. Not sure if that has any bearing on the FW books release window or not.
Speculation sure but I've seen quite a few posts saying that GW purposely shortened supply to manipulate customers is pretty far reaching, without proof. It could be that GW honestly did not plan ahead, did not have the resources to produce enough (we are in the midst of a pandemic and IIRC correctly doesn't GW outsource to China or other countries for some products?) It's pretty bold to claim that GW is behaving in a shady manner. Then again it's no shock as this forum, or at least some posters on this forum, love to throw around assumptions and speculations like Catholics throw accolades toward the Pope.
They literally sent out an email telling us they had made plenty but you could only buy 6 at once. Then sent another saying you could only by three because they have made a lot but want everyone to get a chance to buy.
Its textbook marketing to promote fear of loss.
I don't blame them for it, its in textbooks because it works. They get the sales, and that is what GW exists to do.
Jidmah wrote: I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA.
Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released.
I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
This has always been my paradox with GW codexes. I budget the money for my hobby. Sometimes I can budget a rather lot of money. But every dollar spent on a book isn't a dollar I spend in addition. It's a dollar out of my budget, that I'd rather spend on a model.
Same here, the budget has "suffered" from PA and Legacy of the Wolf releases this year, so I really need to decide what to get. I did buy the last two CA though and was fairly happy with having the missions and other rules like battle honors or custom heros available. I have no issues with paying GW for their books if the content is decent.
This one though? I somehow doubt I will get any value out of it. I'll probably wait for some youtuber unboxing the books before I place my pre-orders. From the content page it seems like you can use CAinstead of the BRB - in that case it would be my preferred choice.
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
I mean... commentary on how GW is utilizing marketing practices to create artificial scarcity as a tool to manipulate consumers into making purchases without investing the proper level of consideration for FOMO isn't because we're all so garsh darn jonesing for the models.
Here's a hint, I did not preorder any boxes. I don't pre order things from GW. In general I just don't pre order. Pre orders are, largely, bad (and also why a donation to kick starter should be considered charity and not a purchase as a complete aside).
Will I end up with an indomitus box? Well never a full one, but if one of the handful of necron players in my community is in the store and I'm in the store and there's a box, I'd shell 100 for the marine half, provided someone way more into marines isn't also there and wants to split it.
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Jidmah wrote: I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA.
Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released.
I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
This has always been my paradox with GW codexes. I budget the money for my hobby. Sometimes I can budget a rather lot of money. But every dollar spent on a book isn't a dollar I spend in addition. It's a dollar out of my budget, that I'd rather spend on a model.
Speculation sure but I've seen quite a few posts saying that GW purposely shortened supply to manipulate customers is pretty far reaching, without proof. It could be that GW honestly did not plan ahead, did not have the resources to produce enough (we are in the midst of a pandemic and IIRC correctly doesn't GW outsource to China or other countries for some products?) It's pretty bold to claim that GW is behaving in a shady manner. Then again it's no shock as this forum, or at least some posters on this forum, love to throw around assumptions and speculations like Catholics throw accolades toward the Pope.
I mean, sure, GW does bone headed stuff. But ultimately whether out of stupidity, or market manipulation, the result is the same. I don't care particularly much the reasoning behind it and if them being dumb just so happens to line up with a rather common marketing tactic. This shouldn't really be acceptable.
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
I mean... commentary on how GW is utilizing marketing practices to create artificial scarcity as a tool to manipulate consumers into making purchases without investing the proper level of consideration for FOMO isn't because we're all so garsh darn jonesing for the models.
Here's a hint, I did not preorder any boxes. I don't pre order things from GW. In general I just don't pre order. Pre orders are, largely, bad (and also why a donation to kick starter should be considered charity and not a purchase as a complete aside).
Will I end up with an indomitus box? Well never a full one, but if one of the handful of necron players in my community is in the store and I'm in the store and there's a box, I'd shell 100 for the marine half, provided someone way more into marines isn't also there and wants to split it.
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Jidmah wrote: I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA. Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released. I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
This has always been my paradox with GW codexes. I budget the money for my hobby. Sometimes I can budget a rather lot of money. But every dollar spent on a book isn't a dollar I spend in addition. It's a dollar out of my budget, that I'd rather spend on a model.
Speculation sure but I've seen quite a few posts saying that GW purposely shortened supply to manipulate customers is pretty far reaching, without proof. It could be that GW honestly did not plan ahead, did not have the resources to produce enough (we are in the midst of a pandemic and IIRC correctly doesn't GW outsource to China or other countries for some products?) It's pretty bold to claim that GW is behaving in a shady manner. Then again it's no shock as this forum, or at least some posters on this forum, love to throw around assumptions and speculations like Catholics throw accolades toward the Pope.
You think a firm as big as GW does not think ahead about its business practices ? Are you taking them for amateurs ?
Speculation sure but I've seen quite a few posts saying that GW purposely shortened supply to manipulate customers is pretty far reaching, without proof. It could be that GW honestly did not plan ahead, did not have the resources to produce enough (we are in the midst of a pandemic and IIRC correctly doesn't GW outsource to China or other countries for some products?) It's pretty bold to claim that GW is behaving in a shady manner. Then again it's no shock as this forum, or at least some posters on this forum, love to throw around assumptions and speculations like Catholics throw accolades toward the Pope.
You realize if they wanted they could keep on producing more as they wish? They haven't lost capability to do more. But they have opted to have set amount. That's very definition of limited edition.
And it's not shady. It's just business as usual. Sell some amount of discount boxes but not too much least you hurt sales of non-discount units. Why sell skorpion lord, assault primaris etc for discountea price for all rather than for some and full price for rest?
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
I mean... commentary on how GW is utilizing marketing practices to create artificial scarcity as a tool to manipulate consumers into making purchases without investing the proper level of consideration for FOMO isn't because we're all so garsh darn jonesing for the models.
Here's a hint, I did not preorder any boxes. I don't pre order things from GW. In general I just don't pre order. Pre orders are, largely, bad (and also why a donation to kick starter should be considered charity and not a purchase as a complete aside).
Will I end up with an indomitus box? Well never a full one, but if one of the handful of necron players in my community is in the store and I'm in the store and there's a box, I'd shell 100 for the marine half, provided someone way more into marines isn't also there and wants to split it.
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Jidmah wrote: I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA.
Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released.
I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
This has always been my paradox with GW codexes. I budget the money for my hobby. Sometimes I can budget a rather lot of money. But every dollar spent on a book isn't a dollar I spend in addition. It's a dollar out of my budget, that I'd rather spend on a model.
Speculation sure but I've seen quite a few posts saying that GW purposely shortened supply to manipulate customers is pretty far reaching, without proof. It could be that GW honestly did not plan ahead, did not have the resources to produce enough (we are in the midst of a pandemic and IIRC correctly doesn't GW outsource to China or other countries for some products?) It's pretty bold to claim that GW is behaving in a shady manner. Then again it's no shock as this forum, or at least some posters on this forum, love to throw around assumptions and speculations like Catholics throw accolades toward the Pope.
You think a firm as big as GW does not think ahead about its business practices ? Are you taking them for amateurs ?
Major businesses can get paradigm locked and executives can be stubbornly, stupidly resistant to the idea that they are not geniuses where all decisions they make are obviously the right ones, damn the research (see, Kirby).
I’m basically one phone call short of harassment to my local gaming store to a) make sure I was on their “interested” list and b) rang this morning to make sure they had copies. I will be getting mine on 25th release day. Phew!
I genuinely can’t remember things this crazy since the End Times books were released about 5-6 years ago. Damn it was a nerve wracking few minutes to see if I got my End Times:Khaine book
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
I mean... commentary on how GW is utilizing marketing practices to create artificial scarcity as a tool to manipulate consumers into making purchases without investing the proper level of consideration for FOMO isn't because we're all so garsh darn jonesing for the models.
Here's a hint, I did not preorder any boxes. I don't pre order things from GW. In general I just don't pre order. Pre orders are, largely, bad (and also why a donation to kick starter should be considered charity and not a purchase as a complete aside).
Will I end up with an indomitus box? Well never a full one, but if one of the handful of necron players in my community is in the store and I'm in the store and there's a box, I'd shell 100 for the marine half, provided someone way more into marines isn't also there and wants to split it.
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Jidmah wrote: I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA. Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released. I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
This has always been my paradox with GW codexes. I budget the money for my hobby. Sometimes I can budget a rather lot of money. But every dollar spent on a book isn't a dollar I spend in addition. It's a dollar out of my budget, that I'd rather spend on a model.
Speculation sure but I've seen quite a few posts saying that GW purposely shortened supply to manipulate customers is pretty far reaching, without proof. It could be that GW honestly did not plan ahead, did not have the resources to produce enough (we are in the midst of a pandemic and IIRC correctly doesn't GW outsource to China or other countries for some products?) It's pretty bold to claim that GW is behaving in a shady manner. Then again it's no shock as this forum, or at least some posters on this forum, love to throw around assumptions and speculations like Catholics throw accolades toward the Pope.
You think a firm as big as GW does not think ahead about its business practices ? Are you taking them for amateurs ?
Major businesses can get paradigm locked and executives can be stubbornly, stupidly resistant to the idea that they are not geniuses where all decisions they make are obviously the right ones, damn the research (see, Kirby).
From an outsider perspective maybe. A firm does what it has to make profit that's it. GW's business model might be criticable from an outsider perspective (I hate that kind of pre order shortage) but it is successful : they have record profit. Arguing that they are making a simple mistake because they misjudge the number of people that will purchase their goods is stupid. They know full well that they don't produce enough to respond to the demand, and they know full well that those 15 days pre-order is a scam and that actual pre-order will not last a week (it didn't last an hour). It's designed this way, it's their objective.
I really don't get the point of the artificial scarcity in this instance. This is a product that is sure to sell like hot cakes regardless. I'm sure they could have easily sold several times the amount they had.
How long was the manufacturing shutdown from covid? I imagine that a lot of production time was lost, which makes more sense to be a cause of shortages than the artificial scarcity idea.
Trickstick wrote: How long was the manufacturing shutdown from covid? I imagine that a lot of production time was lost, which makes more sense to be a cause of shortages than the artificial scarcity idea.
Crimson wrote: I really don't get the point of the artificial scarcity in this instance. This is a product that is sure to sell like hot cakes regardless. I'm sure they could have easily sold several times the amount they had.
- Create frustration, which can be good. - You control the exact number of good you produce (no loss, control of cost). Firms actually love that kind of things : japanese automobile firms even accepted quotas to restrict import in the US back in 90ies because it gave them a complete control over their production cost. - The shortage is directed at a specific good : a boxset that's, all things considered, a good deal. In a month or two they might replace this box with another box, less expensive but with less units and that makes them a higher profit margin. The frustration that they created might comes in handy in pushing people to purchase this less beneficial deal as a substitute.
Trickstick wrote: How long was the manufacturing shutdown from covid? I imagine that a lot of production time was lost, which makes more sense to be a cause of shortages than the artificial scarcity idea.
If that was the case they could have just report the release 15 days later. And what about previous instances of the same type of artificial shortage ? The sister box what created the shortage ? They didn't know it would be successful ? And yet they had a 15day pre-order in this instance too.
Asmodai wrote: 3rd edition included all the points and datasheets in the BRB.
You have to consider that 3rd was a special case though, as the entire system changed drastically. IIRC, they halved points pretty much across the board, and completely changed unit and weapon stat lines.
Personally, I think putting points in the rulebook would be stupid. They are going to be outdated as soon as a codex comes out. Better to have a seperate book for them. Now, if you want to talk about relative book prices being too high, I would probably agree...
Trickstick wrote: How long was the manufacturing shutdown from covid? I imagine that a lot of production time was lost, which makes more sense to be a cause of shortages than the artificial scarcity idea.
Right. Covid virus in 2020 also reason for all the sell outs of limited edition discount boxes in 2019, 2018, 2017 etc. Oh and covid also destroyed gw's cabability to produce more now. Oh yes. That makes sense.
Crimson wrote: I really don't get the point of the artificial scarcity in this instance. This is a product that is sure to sell like hot cakes regardless. I'm sure they could have easily sold several times the amount they had.
Do gw want to sell 1000 unit at price x or 100 unit at x and 900 unit with price higher than x.
They don't want to harm sales of full price boxes. If they meet demand here who buy skorpion lord separately?
Im super confused and annoyed, I thought pre-orders weren't supposed to start until 10am PST, and now everything is already sold out. Christ almighty....
2 weeks ago it was "9th edition sucks, the new Space Marines suck".
Now it's "GW suck for not producing enough boxes that contain models that suck and are ugly."
I've seen meth junkies act less obsessed than this.
FYI, I put my order in but than I've always been on "9th is great and the new marines will look good as Dark Angels".
I mean... commentary on how GW is utilizing marketing practices to create artificial scarcity as a tool to manipulate consumers into making purchases without investing the proper level of consideration for FOMO isn't because we're all so garsh darn jonesing for the models.
Here's a hint, I did not preorder any boxes. I don't pre order things from GW. In general I just don't pre order. Pre orders are, largely, bad (and also why a donation to kick starter should be considered charity and not a purchase as a complete aside).
Will I end up with an indomitus box? Well never a full one, but if one of the handful of necron players in my community is in the store and I'm in the store and there's a box, I'd shell 100 for the marine half, provided someone way more into marines isn't also there and wants to split it.
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Jidmah wrote: I'm really unsure if I want to buy this CA.
Buying the book for points is a waste of money, since I haven't looked more than twice inside the last one. Unless BS dies tomorrow, I highly doubt I will need it.
Sure, more missions are nice and everything, but we've got a pile of new missions, crusade mode and a whole new game to play until the next CA in winter will be released.
I think I'll rather buy a plague surgeon instead of this.
This has always been my paradox with GW codexes. I budget the money for my hobby. Sometimes I can budget a rather lot of money. But every dollar spent on a book isn't a dollar I spend in addition. It's a dollar out of my budget, that I'd rather spend on a model.
Speculation sure but I've seen quite a few posts saying that GW purposely shortened supply to manipulate customers is pretty far reaching, without proof. It could be that GW honestly did not plan ahead, did not have the resources to produce enough (we are in the midst of a pandemic and IIRC correctly doesn't GW outsource to China or other countries for some products?) It's pretty bold to claim that GW is behaving in a shady manner. Then again it's no shock as this forum, or at least some posters on this forum, love to throw around assumptions and speculations like Catholics throw accolades toward the Pope.
You think a firm as big as GW does not think ahead about its business practices ? Are you taking them for amateurs ?
Major businesses can get paradigm locked and executives can be stubbornly, stupidly resistant to the idea that they are not geniuses where all decisions they make are obviously the right ones, damn the research (see, Kirby).
From an outsider perspective maybe. A firm does what it has to make profit that's it. GW's business model might be criticable from an outsider perspective (I hate that kind of pre order shortage) but it is successful : they have record profit. Arguing that they are making a simple mistake because they misjudge the number of people that will purchase their goods is stupid.
They know full well that they don't produce enough to respond to the demand, and they know full well that those 15 days pre-order is a scam and that actual pre-order will not last a week (it didn't last an hour). It's designed this way, it's their objective.
Yes, it's successful right now. That doesn't mean its success is ensured and we're in for a major market crash here in the US due to the pandemic and, well, the housing market. Again (also we might get like, literal food riots. Fun). I don't think GW's profits are gonna be rosy under another recession, or depression.
I don't think it is actually making as much profit as it could be if it democratized its products instead of increasingly leaning into the toxic "It's a luuuuuxury" crowd.
Trickstick wrote: How long was the manufacturing shutdown from covid? I imagine that a lot of production time was lost, which makes more sense to be a cause of shortages than the artificial scarcity idea.
Right. Covid virus in 2020 also reason for all the sell outs of limited edition discount boxes in 2019, 2018, 2017 etc. Oh and covid also destroyed gw's cabability to produce more now. Oh yes. That makes sense.
Well it's going to have had some sort of impact. Whether was something as small as selling out in 15 minutes, as opposed to the planned 30 minutes, that is up for debate.
They cut back significantly on a whole range of products because of Covid, but Indomitus wasn't one of them. Covid affected their overall production capacity, but it was older stuff that took the hit (evidenced by the fact that much of it has been unavailable on third party retailers for quite some time, long after production recommenced, and is only just becoming available again in the past week or two).
I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.
EldarExarch wrote: Im super confused and annoyed, I thought pre-orders weren't supposed to start until 10am PST, and now everything is already sold out. Christ almighty....
It doesn't start until 10am PST here in the US from Games Workshop directly.
Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.
EldarExarch wrote: Im super confused and annoyed, I thought pre-orders weren't supposed to start until 10am PST, and now everything is already sold out. Christ almighty....
It doesn't start until 10am PST here in the US from Games Workshop directly.
Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.
Small corporations are indeed not any more moral than larger corporations
Trickstick wrote: I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.
Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted
EldarExarch wrote: Im super confused and annoyed, I thought pre-orders weren't supposed to start until 10am PST, and now everything is already sold out. Christ almighty....
It doesn't start until 10am PST here in the US from Games Workshop directly.
Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.
Trickstick wrote: I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.
Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted
How could we possibly know if they are or aren't? Maybe they are trying to build stock levels back up? Maybe they are waiting on box shipments from China (I think they outsource the boxes)? Maybe they are doing some marketing tactic? I have no idea. But I try to at least leave wiggle room in my guesses, as the only ones who really know are not talking.
Kanluwen wrote: Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.
'Cause being told you can order 250, then being told you can only have 45, and then being told you can have closer to 90 after you've told a bunch of people they can't have it and refunded them, all in the space of a day or so is something we should blame the FLGS for, right?
Trickstick wrote: I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.
Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted
To be blunt, they haven't said that these items will never be produced again.
The models in the boxed set will either be produced again or the same model type will. Eg the 4 legged pushfit walker has only one build in the box; but we know there's antoher build with a cannon on top. If you look at its legs they are different so it might be GW has two sculpts - one pushfit single build one multi option.
Much the same as the sisters of battle set.
I'd wager the pushfit might well end up in its own getting started or similar set.
I dont think GW is keen to repeat the mess in the past of things like the Island of Blood set where they put all new sculpts in for two armies that never got general release.
Note I'd wager the two production waves of the boxed set is due to Corona - likely because making sprue out of machines is likely very easy for GW to keep up to speed with. BUT packing boxes is likely where they are more worker intensive and thus far more limited due to Corona. So with demand on everything else it was likely easier to split the boxed set packing and make two waves instead of one big push.
Trickstick wrote: I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.
Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted
You must have never worked in a manufacturing facility. A cut in workers in a plant by 25% doesn't mean 25% less production, it usually means a lot more than that because it's not going to be the managers and assistant managers and production leads that are going home, it's the plebs doing the grunt work.
Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.
They might have predicted X amount being made and then ran into problems in production last minute. COVID is spiking again in certain parts of the world, maybe one of the injectors broke down, maybe the printing company that is printing the rulebook for the box ran into issues.
So much goes into producing these boxes that a hiccup with producing one of those items inside can grind the entire process to a halt.
Trickstick wrote: I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.
Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted
How could we possibly know if they are or aren't? Maybe they are trying to build stock levels back up? Maybe they are waiting on box shipments from China (I think they outsource the boxes)? Maybe they are doing some marketing tactic? I have no idea. But I try to at least leave wiggle room in my guesses, as the only ones who really know are not talking.
Alchemist's workshop wrote this about boxes https://twitter.com/AlchemistsWorks/status/1281734859409555458 but it seems that this accounts for all the retailer allocation (ie the stuff they can send out day one as well as what goes out in August). It does indicate that they don't have boxes for all the plastic they've made, at least. Personally I'm hoping there will be several waves available to buy as GW are able to get them made.
Kanluwen wrote: Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.
'Cause being told you can order 250, then being told you can only have 45, and then being told you can have closer to 90 after you've told a bunch of people they can't have it and refunded them, all in the space of a day or so is something we should blame the FLGS for, right?
Absolutely yeah. 250 is a wiiiiiiiiiiiild number for a launch day if the independent to be rocking if they don't have multiple locations.
Also, reserve lists aren't really the same thing as preordering...and maybe try not taking preorders weeks before the actual date?
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Overread wrote: The models in the boxed set will either be produced again or the same model type will. Eg the 4 legged pushfit walker has only one build in the box; but we know there's antoher build with a cannon on top. If you look at its legs they are different so it might be GW has two sculpts - one pushfit single build one multi option.
The Canoptek Doomstalker is the other walker with the cannon on top and we know it's an Easy to Build coming out as part of the 'Beyond the Box' stuff. That's the Invader ATV and the turret for Marines plus the Heavy Destroyer and Doomstalker for Necrons.
I mean, the store I ordered from Spain (And it is not the spanish biggest one) had 100 copies. I ordered at 11:05 and they had to cancel my order because they had sold out every box by then.
jivardi wrote: Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.
They do all miniature production in their headquarters at Nottingham UK. As I said, I think that they outsource things like the boxes, books, and probably other things. However, actual sprue moulding is in the UK.
Trickstick wrote: I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.
Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted
How could we possibly know if they are or aren't? Maybe they are trying to build stock levels back up? Maybe they are waiting on box shipments from China (I think they outsource the boxes)? Maybe they are doing some marketing tactic? I have no idea. But I try to at least leave wiggle room in my guesses, as the only ones who really know are not talking.
That's kind of the trick mate. They don't tell you so that you don't wait and think it over. You buy now for fear that now is all you have.
Overread wrote: The models in the boxed set will either be produced again or the same model type will. Eg the 4 legged pushfit walker has only one build in the box; but we know there's antoher build with a cannon on top. If you look at its legs they are different so it might be GW has two sculpts - one pushfit single build one multi option.
They're both pushfit.
The second of the walkers is one of the first EZ2B releases for 40k outside of the Indomitus box box, alongside a few other Marine and Necron things. If the second of the walkers can be built as the one from the main box I'll be very surprised. Instead it'll likely show up in a Start Collecting! Necrons box that looks remarkably like this:
Overread wrote: I dont think GW is keen to repeat the mess in the past of things like the Island of Blood set where they put all new sculpts in for two armies that never got general release.
There are Marine and Nurgle things you can't get outside of the 40k starter box... which is gone (and it's smaller cousins will likely follow suit if they haven't already).
Kanluwen wrote: Also, reserve lists aren't really the same thing as preordering...and maybe try not taking preorders weeks before the actual date?
I didn't say anything about reserve lists. And why do you assume that this is happening because of people breaking some pre-order "street date". This is happening in various parts across North America. I've heard it from at least 3 different stores in wildly different locations.
jivardi wrote: Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.
They do all miniature production in their headquarters at Nottingham UK. As I said, I think that they outsource things like the boxes, books, and probably other things. However, actual sprue moulding is in the UK.
Yeah, and if gak went south even Monday that would impact the preorders today.
Sad thing is GW could put out a statement explaining that something went wrong in the production process and 90% of dakka would call them liars.
Sometimes I think some people don't realize what goes into producing products whose parts are outsourced around the world. It always hurt when I built computers for the business to then sell to customers who weren't knowledgeable about individual components and wanted a prebuilt so they didn't have to think too hard about what is in it and then I get informed by my wholesaler that one of the manufacturers had issues with shipping the part and quantity that was ordered. Can't build a "complete system" with missing components, which hurt my bottom line because once I sold out of the ones I had already built I had to rely on made-to-order PC's and most of my stores profit was on the "complete" systems, not MTO.
So, whilst looking for the picture of the potential/almost-probably new Start Collecting! Necrons contents, I was looking through the new 40K website and there's a section for how to play. It's still coming soon (bit hard to get Becca Scott in to film a small video series during COVID), but it does have this:
Firstly we know the pipes are new, but what about those ruins?
There is no current wall panel in the Sector Imperialis line (including the Manufactorum walls) that has the CogSkull design on it. The smaller ruin to the north of it, between the two new sets of pipe, has a circular pattern not found on any of the current ruins.
Even the flooring on the larger ruin towards the bottom of the picture appears new, as it doesn't match eitherside of the regular floor panels, and is more ruined than the Derelict Manufactorum's flooring. That and it has different details.
I think there's even more new terrain coming our way!
And in what is perhaps sadder news, both the Battlefield Accessory Set and the Ryza Pattern Ruins are listed as "No Longer Available Online".
Kanluwen wrote: All of the current intro stuff barring Dark Imperium is still available.
"... and it's smaller cousins will likely follow suit...". Y'know, especially as they contain starter rules for the previous edition of the game.
jivardi wrote: Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.
They do all miniature production in their headquarters at Nottingham UK. As I said, I think that they outsource things like the boxes, books, and probably other things. However, actual sprue moulding is in the UK.
Yeah, and if gak went south even Monday that would impact the preorders today.
Sad thing is GW could put out a statement explaining that something went wrong in the production process and 90% of dakka would call them liars.
Sometimes I think some people don't realize what goes into producing products whose parts are outsourced around the world. It always hurt when I built computers for the business to then sell to customers who weren't knowledgeable about individual components and wanted a prebuilt so they didn't have to think too hard about what is in it and then I get informed by my wholesaler that one of the manufacturers had issues with shipping the part and quantity that was ordered. Can't build a "complete system" with missing components, which hurt my bottom line because once I sold out of the ones I had already built I had to rely on made-to-order PC's and most of my stores profit was on the "complete" systems, not MTO.
Covid could explain why it takes longer to produce set number but not why gw settled for same number. You do know they can stilv produce? And you pretend this is first time they sold out like this. It happens all the time. And it's doing just what gw wanted.
This box isn't any different to every other limited edition set that sells out. Gw doesn't want to meet demand because that would lower profits as full price kit sales would drop
PurpleEcho wrote: Are the Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers definitely getting multi-part kit releases? or will they remain of the ETB variety?
Necron warriors come with options for both weapons for all 20 models so I'm pretty sure necron warriors will be just those repackaged as a normal box. Skorpekh I'm not that sure.
The Warriors I'm certain are the new Warriors kit. As mentioned above they come with both sets of options already. Plus they come with 3 bases of Scarabs on the sprue. It's a flat 1 for 1 replacement with the current box, only it'll be 20%-50% more expensive for some reason.
The Destroyers, ahh, I'm not certain. It'd be nice if they got a full kit, but it's not the end of the world if they don't.
PurpleEcho wrote: Are the Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers definitely getting multi-part kit releases? or will they remain of the ETB variety?
Necron warriors come with options for both weapons for all 20 models so I'm pretty sure necron warriors will be just those repackaged as a normal box. Skorpekh I'm not that sure.
There is precedent for both ETB and Full kits existing side by side (Redemptor dread, aggressors, others) so it will be interesting to see how thing pan out.
Overread wrote: The models in the boxed set will either be produced again or the same model type will. Eg the 4 legged pushfit walker has only one build in the box; but we know there's antoher build with a cannon on top. If you look at its legs they are different so it might be GW has two sculpts - one pushfit single build one multi option.
PurpleEcho wrote: Are the Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers definitely getting multi-part kit releases? or will they remain of the ETB variety?
Necron warriors come with options for both weapons for all 20 models so I'm pretty sure necron warriors will be just those repackaged as a normal box. Skorpekh I'm not that sure.
The Necron side is remarkably well spread out on sprues. The Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers+Plasmacyte both have their own sprues.
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Then there's a sprue that has the Skorpekh Destroyer Lord, the murderbuckets, Plasmancer, and the Reanimator all on it.
The Royal Warden and Overlord are on their own separate sprues and could be released as blisters/boxes on their own but the rest of the character stuff? It's all one frame.
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The Marines are in a similar situation. Two frames for the 'core' stuff(Bikers and Assault Intercessors), one frame jampacked with goodies(Eradicators, Bladeguard Veterans, Judiciar, Chaplain, and the Bladeguard Ancient), then two independent character blister/box frames in the form of the Captain and Lieutenant.
Danny76 wrote: Several third party sellers are already saying wave two ordering for August.
So I assume a new wave is for sure a thing.
Problem is (for those that missed it), is that a lot of them have already sold their August wave, that's why they've sold a bunch to be delivered July and more for delivery in August. What we don't know for certain yet is how many retailers will actually have stock in August, and if GW will produce more for any of them.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So, whilst looking for the picture of the potential/almost-probably new Start Collecting! Necrons contents, I was looking through the new 40K website and there's a section for how to play. It's still coming soon (bit hard to get Becca Scott in to film a small video series during COVID), but it does have this:
Firstly we know the pipes are new, but what about those ruins?
There is no current wall panel in the Sector Imperialis line (including the Manufactorum walls) that has the CogSkull design on it. The smaller ruin to the north of it, between the two new sets of pipe, has a circular pattern not found on any of the current ruins.
Even the flooring on the larger ruin towards the bottom of the picture appears new, as it doesn't match eitherside of the regular floor panels, and is more ruined than the Derelict Manufactorum's flooring. That and it has different details.
I think there's even more new terrain coming our way!
And in what is perhaps sadder news, both the Battlefield Accessory Set and the Ryza Pattern Ruins are listed as "No Longer Available Online".
That’s a real shame, the Ryza pattern stuff is great. Very easy to put together and paint quickly. Surprised it’s gone OOP so quickly.
ERJAK wrote:Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!
Seconded, I need to know the points for my Night Lords and their resin toys.
Crimson wrote:Points are boring, pretty models are exiting!
Only if you play Necrons or *spits on ground* loyalist scum.
Every Loyalist release is just a Chaos release waiting a conversion.
Not anymore, all new loyalist units are primaris, and csm don't have primaris. Nor should they, keep that garbage out of my embittered Veterans of the Long War.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Not anymore, all new loyalist units are primaris, and csm don't have primaris. Nor should they, keep that garbage out of my embittered Veterans of the Long War.
Sounds like nonsense. Could easily have some Chaos in stolen Primaris armour, or renegade Imperials who didn't like this whole Primaris thing and so killed them to steal their equipment.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Not anymore, all new loyalist units are primaris, and csm don't have primaris. Nor should they, keep that garbage out of my embittered Veterans of the Long War.
Sounds like nonsense. Could easily have some Chaos in stolen Primaris armour, or renegade Imperials who didn't like this whole Primaris thing and so killed them to steal their equipment.
Just trim the knee pads. The gorget is barely notable.
I really, really hope the scarcity of chaos players keeps those factions free of the Primaris menace. But I don't hold any great illusions it will be the case - they just haven't got around to boiling those frogs yet.
P.S. It looks like there's no need to buy the main rulebook unless you want the non-competitive missions and the crusade rules, the CA2020 rulebook has all the rules reprinted in it, plus the tournament missions and the new points, for $25 less.
It's a shame, I don't care about tournament missions and points will be in Battlescribe, Crusade and narrative missions on the other hand are the important Part to me
Gadzilla666 wrote: Not anymore, all new loyalist units are primaris, and csm don't have primaris. Nor should they, keep that garbage out of my embittered Veterans of the Long War.
Sounds like nonsense. Could easily have some Chaos in stolen Primaris armour, or renegade Imperials who didn't like this whole Primaris thing and so killed them to steal their equipment.
We know the Primaris lore is just made up BS to justify making better minis. In my head cannon Primaris don’t exist, it’s just that marine minis look better now. I’d have no issues with someone converting Intercessors to be chaos marines. In fact I’ve seen it done with amazing results.
We know the Primaris lore is just made up BS to justify making better minis. In my head cannon Primaris don’t exist, it’s just that marine minis look better now. I’d have no issues with someone converting Intercessors to be chaos marines. In fact I’ve seen it done with amazing results.
Yep. Though it would still be nice if Chaos could also have marines with a decent profile. They should at least give the Chosen a Primaris profile so they wouldn't feel so utterly wimpy.
Trickstick wrote: They literally started as a simple marine redesign, the rest came later.
Of course.
The only reason it wasn't a Marine replacement was because they learned from the AoS-backlash and didn't want to invalidate people's old-Marine armies.
Hence they made up stuff that would justify old Marine armies alongside the new Marine armies in the game.
We know the Primaris lore is just made up BS to justify making better minis. In my head cannon Primaris don’t exist, it’s just that marine minis look better now. I’d have no issues with someone converting Intercessors to be chaos marines. In fact I’ve seen it done with amazing results.
Yep. Though it would still be nice if Chaos could also have marines with a decent profile. They should at least give the Chosen a Primaris profile so they wouldn't feel so utterly wimpy.
Oh without a doubt. If you go by the lore, marines should be a super elite, low model count army.
yukishiro1 wrote: I really, really hope the scarcity of chaos players keeps those factions free of the Primaris menace. But I don't hold any great illusions it will be the case - they just haven't got around to boiling those frogs yet.
P.S. It looks like there's no need to buy the main rulebook unless you want the non-competitive missions and the crusade rules, the CA2020 rulebook has all the rules reprinted in it, plus the tournament missions and the new points, for $25 less.
Trickstick wrote: They literally started as a simple marine redesign, the rest came later.
Of course.
The only reason it wasn't a Marine replacement was because they learned from the AoS-backlash and didn't want to invalidate people's old-Marine armies.
Hence they made up stuff that would justify old Marine armies alongside the new Marine armies in the game.
Or they realized that if it were just a 1 for 1 replacement then people could continue using their old minis...
Trickstick wrote: They literally started as a simple marine redesign, the rest came later.
Of course.
The only reason it wasn't a Marine replacement was because they learned from the AoS-backlash and didn't want to invalidate people's old-Marine armies.
Hence they made up stuff that would justify old Marine armies alongside the new Marine armies in the game.
Or they realized that if it were just a 1 for 1 replacement then people could continue using their old minis...
This might be closer to the truth. That said honestly most pepole who keep up with an army do end up replacing things. Esp since GW might introduce a new weapon or just because new sculpts do tend to be better than the old (its actually rare that its the other way around).
I think Primaris were born of the same management thoughts and style as Yinnari and AoS - a management looking more at numbers than the game and customer. Primaris are a messy way to try and double the size of the marine range; yet because they are almost coping the same regiment design it ends up looking really odd that you've marine and primaris in the same "roles"
The entire point of the Primaris Project was to get every Space Marine player to have to replace his entire collection. It is 100% about $$$. They had a problem because after 3 decades, long-term space marine players already had full collections and it was getting difficult to keep selling them stuff. Solution: make them rebuy their whole collections with new, upgraded marines!
But they knew that if you just squatted all the old marines in one fell swoop people would rebel. So they're boiling the frog slowly. Remember the original "you can use these together! they're complementary! they won't be replacing your old colletion!" reassurances? Well, now we're in 9th. Now the old models are getting squatted and replaced by primaris entirely (chaplain on bike) and/or replaced with primaris versions that are aggressively pointed and ruled to simply be better, such that you'd never use the old versions (intercessors point values vs tacs, new primaris bikes vs old ones).
If peeps in the UK are still without copies, Firestorm Cards (not to be confused with Firestorm Games) still have over 180 copies at the time of typing.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Warriors I'm certain are the new Warriors kit. As mentioned above they come with both sets of options already. Plus they come with 3 bases of Scarabs on the sprue. It's a flat 1 for 1 replacement with the current box, only it'll be 20%-50% more expensive for some reason.
That is exactly what they did with the Chainrasps from the Soul Wars box so that's a given...
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
I strongly suspect that this isn't the case. I've no special insight, obviously, but since the economic shutdown started I've been regulalry checking my retailers (half dozen of them) for specific stuff I want, but it's all been perpetually out of stock. Like, all of it, even little things like a Necromunda gang or a squad of Primaris, let alone the bigger things I was after. This continued long after the production started back up (couple of months ago now?). Only now is it gradually becoming available again. I kind of got the idea that GW have been plowing almost all of their efforts into this new 9th box, which is to say that I think that production of their other items has suffered in the mean time due to Covid, but that the resources they would have dedicated to this launch probably haven't.
Yeah, I was wrong and did not think that statement through enough before making it.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
This is just GW learning from nintendo, like they've learned a lot from shady practices in the video gaming industry.
Deliberately under produce your first run, talk it up a lot, and people will jump over themselves to buy it all for FOMO. Then you can wave around how stupendously popular your product is that it sold out in seconds. Then a bit later you come out with more, and people will trip over themselves again to buy it just in case this too will sell out in minutes for FOMO.
It's all marketing baby.
I dunno if that is shady, it is still the customer making a poor decision here if they buy a product that is not worth X amount of money to them. Such a tactic does exploit a certain mentality, but at the same time I see it as the company shrugging and going 'well if people want to be this foolish' then filling a demand that the customer still created. That said, I do not feel this is GW's (or even Nintendo's) intent, I feel it is accidental. Because bar evidence otherwise the default assumption should always be incompetence.
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FrothingMuppet wrote: Bit of a joke really - barely any stock with independents, GW itself out of stock 45 minutes into a 2 week pre order, and no indication of what comes next for those who didnt get in first.
I get this is not a necessity in life and my world isnt ending because I can't get a copy, but I'm still kind of bummed that outside buying the rules as a stand alone product, I have no way to buy in to the new edition.
How can you launch your new edition and not have plans to have a readily available starter in enough stock to supply demand. If this is the specia limited version, whats coming next? How are new bloods going to be introduced in a cost friendly (lol) way?
It might not have been planned as a single-print run originally; we do not know if the pandemic throwing a wrench into things messed it up in that regard.
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Leth wrote: Dont want the app? Don’t get it, but as is tradition there will be a ton of posts calling people idiots for seeing the value in it. Just getting ahead of the curve.
Agreed, the amount of offense some people are taking over this app is just silly.
Companies put literally millions of dollars into figuring out ways to get people to buy their product impulsively. What chance does the average consumer have? Tween having to work, have a family, a social life, manage chores. How much time and energy does a person have in their life to research something? I mean, richer folks literally hire people whose business is to tell them how to make informed purchasing decisions. But what chance does the average consumer have when the company is shouting "BUY! NOW! ELSE IT WILL BE ALL GONE! YOU'LL MISS EVERYTHING! DON'T HESITATE!". Especially if they decide to take the time to think and research and, whoops, they did want the product, but it's all gone now. Shoulda not thought and consumed immediately like other people did.
Like, really, the power disparity between consumers (and employees) and businesses is dramatic.
All it takes is thinking "is X product worth Y price to me?" It is people's own fault they get wrapped up in superficial bullcrap and let it affect their reasoning. Being able to logically evaluate it a rather critical life skill. Is it kind of crappy of a company to exploit that so many people refuse to develop that skill? Yeah. It is setting people up to fail at their reasoning? Yeah. But the failure is still on the consumer if they buy a product that was not worth the price to them.
Crimson wrote: Yep. Though it would still be nice if Chaos could also have marines with a decent profile. They should at least give the Chosen a Primaris profile so they wouldn't feel so utterly wimpy.
It'd be nice if the giant new Havocs had two wounds.
tneva82 wrote: Well 9th ed box is here. Next question then is when new codexes comes. Marines august, necrons september?
I'm actually going to put out a guess that space marines aren't actually going to get a new codex but a new additional supplement book that just cover indomitus stuff and some new special snowflake rules.
Crimson wrote: Yep. Though it would still be nice if Chaos could also have marines with a decent profile. They should at least give the Chosen a Primaris profile so they wouldn't feel so utterly wimpy.
It'd be nice if the giant new Havocs had two wounds.
Crimson wrote: Yep. Though it would still be nice if Chaos could also have marines with a decent profile. They should at least give the Chosen a Primaris profile so they wouldn't feel so utterly wimpy.
It'd be nice if the giant new Havocs had two wounds.
They'd have a lot more going for them if they did.
tneva82 wrote: Well 9th ed box is here. Next question then is when new codexes comes. Marines august, necrons september?
I'm actually going to put out a guess that space marines aren't actually going to get a new codex but a new additional supplement book that just cover indomitus stuff and some new special snowflake rules.
tneva82 wrote: Well 9th ed box is here. Next question then is when new codexes comes. Marines august, necrons september?
I'm actually going to put out a guess that space marines aren't actually going to get a new codex but a new additional supplement book that just cover indomitus stuff and some new special snowflake rules.
I'd say as they've launched a new edition they will both get new Codex. Now it might be that GW could do what they did with Chaos and if only a little is changing and its mostly new warscrolls then they could release a supplement for those who already own the current codex alongside an updated codex that contains the old and new info updated.
That said its a new edition, there's likely enough argument between that, the new kits added (quite a significant number for both armies) and a few changes to make for a whole new codex in general.
I'd expect both to land either side by side or within a few weeks of each other fairly quickly after launch. Heck its clear that GW has models for both forces lined up for individual release so yep that would be when we'd see a codex, dice and stuff drop.
Gadzilla666 wrote: The new fw books should be released before the new codex for loyalists. They've already said they would be released with 9th. What's the holdup?
Did they? I thought they only acknowledged the blast/aircraft update for the FW range.
Try to open it with another country and switch while on the page of the box then you should see the page for the box in your country if its still available
Matrindur wrote: Try to open it with another country and switch while on the page of the box then you should see the page for the box in your country if its still available
That never works. Switching countries takes me off a product page and back to the main page.
Matrindur wrote: Try to open it with another country and switch while on the page of the box then you should see the page for the box in your country if its still available
That never works. Switching countries takes me off a product page and back to the main page.
Not for me I can change countries while staying on the product page as long as the product has the same name in both
It only switches back if you are on say the Space Marine tab but if you are on a specific product page it shouldn't
Dentry wrote: Been refreshing the website since 9:50 AM and haven't seen Indomitus go up yet.
I kinda...think its not going to...
The only thing that I think this could mean is that they literally didn't allocate any to the US online store. literally everything else is there, but the Indomitus box itself isn't showing up.
Which of course means that those 'preorder bonuses' they kept advertising also can't be had in the US. Not that big of a deal, but holy crap the box set not being here kind of is!
Matrindur wrote: Try to open it with another country and switch while on the page of the box then you should see the page for the box in your country if its still available
That never works. Switching countries takes me off a product page and back to the main page.
Matrindur wrote: Try to open it with another country and switch while on the page of the box then you should see the page for the box in your country if its still available
Can see Indomitus fine when selecting UK as the zone but trying to view the listing on the American store just brings up the usual "Records Expunged" entry. Same when I follow the Warhammer Community link to it.
Others might be right. US isn't getting any allocated due to shortages elsewhere? Absolutely bizzare if so.
Just got mine. Oddly enough it was limited to 1 copy, so hopefully others will have a shot at it as well.
Edit: for those trying don't bother clicking to the product page, just use the preorder button and it will add it straight to your cart. That's how I avoided the website down error.
Just had an email from Goblin Gaming that my copy I ordered at 10:04 hasn’t made the first wave but should hopefully get fulfilled with the August stock. Shame as was looking forward to spending my time off at the end of this month painting but at least I have hopefully secured a copy (and a discounted one which seems to have been extremely rare with most of the big sellers not discounting).
Gadzilla666 wrote: The new fw books should be released before the new codex for loyalists. They've already said they would be released with 9th. What's the holdup?
Did they? I thought they only acknowledged the blast/aircraft update for the FW range.
Not on the same day but soon after. It was in the original Q&A about 9th post.
So does ca 2020 come with all the rules for 9th? That would be a good thing for those of us who already have all the older brbs and don't need more of the same reprinted lore.
Good news everyone - When you try to add it to your cart on the GW website, it gives you 'No Longer Available to Order' or 'Sorry, this product is not available' for the box set. Great job, GW...
Aeneades wrote: Just had an email from Goblin Gaming that my copy I ordered at 10:04 hasn’t made the first wave but should hopefully get fulfilled with the August stock. Shame as was looking forward to spending my time off at the end of this month painting but at least I have hopefully secured a copy (and a discounted one which seems to have been extremely rare with most of the big sellers not discounting).
I was fortunately in the 300. Bit annoying they had this happen and then you find out later in the day when pretty much every other store has sold through their copies. Still you are going to get it and £100 with free delivery is a damn good deal for this box.
Element Games were having a bit of a laugh randomly deciding to charge full price for it. A quick cash grab but obviously they are not beholden to keeping to any level of discount.
Aeneades wrote: Just had an email from Goblin Gaming that my copy I ordered at 10:04 hasn’t made the first wave but should hopefully get fulfilled with the August stock. Shame as was looking forward to spending my time off at the end of this month painting but at least I have hopefully secured a copy (and a discounted one which seems to have been extremely rare with most of the big sellers not discounting).
I was fortunately in the 300. Bit annoying they had this happen and then you find out later in the day when pretty much every other store has sold through their copies. Still you are going to get it and £100 with free delivery is a damn good deal for this box.
Element Games were having a bit of a laugh randomly deciding to charge full price for it. A quick cash grab but obviously they are not beholden to keeping to any level of discount.
The item is still on the US website, but you cannot add it to your cart. You get the not available message if you do. Amazing how this went from no limits there’ll be plenty, to limit 3, to limit 1, to tough luck losers in twenty minutes today. Utter garbage.
BrotherGecko wrote: People paying those eBay prices have an addiction problem.
I imagine that for at least some of them, the money is nothing. Like they can pay 10x the cost and not care. Of course, there will also be the ones spending everything they have.
Thought I'd use this box to get back into 40k as I liked the model's and when it finally showed up it was out of stock!! Quite surprised that the main game box is not produced in larger numbers but I suppose GW like to creat a sort of false sense of demand on their products so customers snap them up straight away rather then waiting and possibly rethinking the purchase.
I'm stunned that I actually managed to get a copy!
It popped up on the US website about 13:20 eastern time, I bought a copy and recieved confirmation. Then by the time I get back to the store page, it was sold out. In other words it was availablefor what, five minutes?
So much for everybody that wanted a copy being able to get one!
Well, as long as nobody minds proxies. Stick melta barrels on ETB flame aggressors. Normal bikes for primaris outriders. Flat sword hero. Easy. Players shouldn't have to be penalized for poor sales practices by GW.
BrotherGecko wrote: People paying those eBay prices have an addiction problem.
I imagine that for at least some of them, the money is nothing. Like they can pay 10x the cost and not care. Of course, there will also be the ones spending everything they have.
If money isn't an issue when massively over paying for something that is made up of parts we will see probably before the end of the year in another form I still would put that in the ballpark of addiction.
mdauben wrote: I'm stunned that I actually managed to get a copy!
It popped up on the US website about 13:20 eastern time, I bought a copy and recieved confirmation. Then by the time I get back to the store page, it was sold out. In other words it was availablefor what, five minutes?
It was a little earlier and a little longer (but not terribly much). The first 'its up' posts are about 1:13, and in my case I took the time to add it to my cart and try (and fail) to check out first. It was gone about 1:25.
kodos wrote: there is a reason why GW called it Veteran-Set and not 2 player Starter Set
Spin it how you want, it's bs either way.
It's a Launch Product for 9th Edition.
Call it a Stater, Your Mother, a Veteran Set..... it's a new edition launch box.
does not matter, GW calls it Veteran Box, meaning it is not the main launch product for 9th but a gift to veteran players
GW's 9th edition launch products are the "Matched Play Essentials", "Narritive Play Essentilas" and "Open Play Essentials" and the stand alone Rulebook
as 2 player starter, GW still sells the old ones
BrotherGecko wrote: If money isn't an issue when massively over paying for something that is made up of parts we will see probably before the end of the year in another form I still would put that in the ballpark of addiction.
It's not an issue if the price is fair to you. Some people have stupid money. If you are very highly paid, why would you care if it is $100 or $1000? It is basically a fee for you not having to worry about all the ordering nonsense. I'm not saying it will be common, just that there will be people who do that.
kodos wrote: there is a reason why GW called it Veteran-Set and not 2 player Starter Set
Spin it how you want, it's bs either way.
It's a Launch Product for 9th Edition.
Call it a Stater, Your Mother, a Veteran Set..... it's a new edition launch box.
does not matter, GW calls it Veteran Box, meaning it is not the main launch product for 9th but a gift to veteran players
GW's 9th edition launch products are the "Matched Play Essentials", "Narritive Play Essentilas" and "Open Play Essentials" and the stand alone Rulebook
as 2 player starter, GW still sells the old ones
Yea, First Strike is a great starter..... lmao, you 2... gfy
if you disagree with GW, write them an email or on facebook
they say First Strike and Know no Fear are still great starters for 9th, and CA2020+RB+new Card Boards is the way to start into 9th
I don't care as I never buy gaming products on launch day or for pre-order (neither physical nor digital)
MonkeyBallistic wrote: It’s only just occurred to me, but I haven’t seen any mention of a digital edition of the new rule book.
I'd assume that's on purpose. A digital rulebook gets in the way of the App, and they're going to want to really push that.
Well, presumably. Wasn't it supposed to launch today (barring the army builder)?
MonkeyBallistic wrote: It’s only just occurred to me, but I haven’t seen any mention of a digital edition of the new rule book.
I'd assume that's on purpose. A digital rulebook gets in the way of the App, and they're going to want to really push that.
Well, presumably. Wasn't it supposed to launch today (barring the army builder)?
MonkeyBallistic wrote: It’s only just occurred to me, but I haven’t seen any mention of a digital edition of the new rule book.
I was thinking that too, I don't like buying dead tree versions so I was hoping to get just the electronic versions. If it's only through the app, that'll be disappointing, but have to change with that times I guess.
When a company releases little miniatures, any company, and says limited... its when I turn away because I really do not like the bait.
In GW case its even worse because cannot be bothered with the stress levels you guys go through just to order a box.
If a box of minis is making you so upset then just don't. Theres so many people online venting that wow, good job GW.
This is GW at is best its nothing new the lack of stock for the demand, so why fall for it every time?
Well that went fast.. I preordered at my FLGS but they have to confirm they will be able to get it, guess I won't know till monday. I didn't think it was gonna be such a limited thing, I thought it was gonna be around a while. Oh well. I'm sure they'll be announcing regular starter sets with the new minis soon.
Not Online!!! wrote: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60040199125_ChapterApprovedGTPackContent.jpg
wellp, looks like my R&H just got squatted.
Gotta love the N'th ammount of primaris but the background backbone of Chaos can feth off accordingly t o gw.
It's not a surprise though really, they've been oop a fair while now. We know there's some hints of a possible plastic army as well following blackstone etc
Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Anyone who is dumb enough to give ebay scalpers money when clearly charging a higher price are just as bad as the scalpers themselves. F that system. Do not support it. Stop buying and they will eventually stop doing it. But of course people dont think that way and will buy it anyway cause they are not very intelligent people.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
Not Online!!! wrote: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60040199125_ChapterApprovedGTPackContent.jpg
wellp, looks like my R&H just got squatted.
Gotta love the N'th ammount of primaris but the background backbone of Chaos can feth off accordingly t o gw.
It's not a surprise though really, they've been oop a fair while now. We know there's some hints of a possible plastic army as well following blackstone etc
Not Online!!! wrote: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60040199125_ChapterApprovedGTPackContent.jpg
wellp, looks like my R&H just got squatted.
Gotta love the N'th ammount of primaris but the background backbone of Chaos can feth off accordingly t o gw.
It's not a surprise though really, they've been oop a fair while now. We know there's some hints of a possible plastic army as well following blackstone etc
What are Children of the Warp?
I don't see Corsairs either.
CotW are the Forgeworld demons
Corsairs were not a thing for the entirety of 8th, besides one datasheet.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
HA, even if all R&H units remained the army would still massively under perform against anything.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
Well, the resources they were using making r&h (0) can now be used on all those 1 primaris kits FW makes.
jivardi wrote: Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.
They do all miniature production in their headquarters at Nottingham UK. As I said, I think that they outsource things like the boxes, books, and probably other things. However, actual sprue moulding is in the UK.
Yeah, and if gak went south even Monday that would impact the preorders today.
Sad thing is GW could put out a statement explaining that something went wrong in the production process and 90% of dakka would call them liars.
Sometimes I think some people don't realize what goes into producing products whose parts are outsourced around the world. It always hurt when I built computers for the business to then sell to customers who weren't knowledgeable about individual components and wanted a prebuilt so they didn't have to think too hard about what is in it and then I get informed by my wholesaler that one of the manufacturers had issues with shipping the part and quantity that was ordered. Can't build a "complete system" with missing components, which hurt my bottom line because once I sold out of the ones I had already built I had to rely on made-to-order PC's and most of my stores profit was on the "complete" systems, not MTO.
Covid could explain why it takes longer to produce set number but not why gw settled for same number. You do know they can stilv produce? And you pretend this is first time they sold out like this. It happens all the time. And it's doing just what gw wanted.
This box isn't any different to every other limited edition set that sells out. Gw doesn't want to meet demand because that would lower profits as full price kit sales would drop
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders. I mean obviously people are buying their stuff, they had a good year last year and even 1st quarter 2020 numbers were really good.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
Well, the resources they were using making r&h (0) can now be used on all those 1 primaris kits FW makes.
Rules writers and warehouse space are resources. The gw rules team now writes all the rules for fw, and gw uses the same warehouses for both fw and standard gw products (in the US at least).
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
Gw sabotaged the Line themselves.
The increase in Players when the army recived actual Support shows this.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
GW also produces what they want and like. If theres just no one that wants to work in something , unless theres really a outside push to force GW's hand, is not like they are gonna have any inside influence to promote it.
The age of FW armies is long gone. Is all ogre now.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
I like the buggy, it's fun and it looks a damn site better than FW's 27 different varieties of 'breadbox with treads'.
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
Nonesense.
If that were true. WHFB would've never failed (or even ever lagged behind 40K in popularity).
GW has no control over customer demand. Far, far, far bigger companies such as Coca Cola and Apple and whatnot have failed to get people to buy what they want to sell, instead of trying to sell what people want.
It never works and GW isn't even remotely in the league to even attempt it.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
GW produces what people buy...
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
I like the buggy, it's fun and it looks a damn site better than FW's 27 different varieties of 'breadbox with treads'.
Yeah, I do not have a problem with the primaris vehicles either. And the idea that some people buy whatever GW produces is irrelevant since such (theoretical) people add a flat +X to all sales without favoring any single line. At any rate, the point is that GW would not produce so many dam Space Marines if people did not buy so many dam Space Marines. Some weird units, or an extra push on a certain faction, can be explained as coming from GW internally but there is no way that GW produces the immensity of the SM line solely because they have a personal fetish for them.
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
Nonesense.
If that were true. WHFB would've never failed (or even ever lagged behind 40K in popularity).
just that GW stopped producing anything for WHFB until it was too late
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
Faced between GW enacting a controlled-availability plan to lure people into buying product they would not otherwise purchase, or just not always being right on their estimations of how much to produce, I find the latter more plausible. Especially given the complete lack of evidence for the former.
GW knows it's community enough to know that they don't need to lie about availability to push sales. I don't recall ONE starter box or boxed set that didn't sell out the preorders.
Funny, I can think of lots, until very recently. It didn't start until the two faction AoS boxes that were limited so they would intentionally sell out on day 1.
Not even the first crowned king of 'limited time only'- the Space Hulk remake- did that (not that it mattered in the long run, since they brought it back multiple times)
Faced between GW enacting a controlled-availability plan to lure people into buying product they would not otherwise purchase, or just not always being right on their estimations of how much to produce, I find the latter more plausible. Especially given the complete lack of evidence for the former.
No, no.
GW ARE EVIL!!! PLEASE GW, GIVE ME MORE PLASTIC CRACK!!!
I swear some people are worst than a meth junkie (and I work with recovering drug addicts) and both meth junkies and mini wargamers behave toward their dealer in similar ways. LOL
angel of death 007 wrote: Gotta love it. GW advertises something for a month that sells out in 15 mins because they only make a very small amount of them.
Gotta be the worst business practice ever. Well the scalpers will make a mint on this one.
They advertise 9th ed that will be for sale for about 3 years with rulebooks, starter set and full kits
And many simply buy whatever gwproduces. Just look all those ridiculous "designed by Hasbro" primaris vehicles. No one can buy something that gw never produces, and quite often gw doesn't know what people want. Just look what happened when they finally made plastic SOB.
Nonesense.
If that were true. WHFB would've never failed (or even ever lagged behind 40K in popularity).
GW has no control over customer demand. Far, far, far bigger companies such as Coca Cola and Apple and whatnot have failed to get people to buy what they want to sell, instead of trying to sell what people want.
It never works and GW isn't even remotely in the league to even attempt it.
Fb died because gw stopped producing new stuff. When they decided to do that it was still top3 miniature game seller. But kits sell most of lifetime sales in first few months. Thus no new kits for game, no sales for game
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Lord Damocles wrote: With what looks like only two pages of Necron Forgeworld rules in CA, they'll likely be losing units.
How many pages you think point costs need? Ca has just point costs. Fw necron line isn't that long you would need 3-4 pages for point costs
Lord Damocles wrote: With what looks like only two pages of Necron Forgeworld rules in CA, they'll likely be losing units.
I really hope not!
Then again they don't have that many to start with. The tomb sentinel/stalker can be one listing with different weapon options; same for the various pylons. That would give them perhaps 7 listings in total for different profiles.
Seraptek Titan
Tesseract Ark
Night Shroud Bomber
Canpotek Acanthrites
Pylon Sentry
Pylon
Tomb Sentinel/Stalker
That would fairly easily fit on a few pages if there's no fluff/art and its purely rules details.
Edit wait its just the point costs? Then yeah that would be only a few lines in the listing for all things - a few pages is all you'd need for that.
Fb died because gw stopped producing new stuff. When they decided to do that it was still top3 miniature game seller. But kits sell most of lifetime sales in first few months. Thus no new kits for game, no sales for game
Nonesense.
From some point in the early 90s up to 2015, 40k and Fantasy got exactly the same amount of releases. One month 40K, one month Fantasy, one Codex 40K, one Army Book Fantasy.
It was a perfect 50/50 split for well into 25 years, and despite that, 40K always outpaced Fantasy by huge and ever-growing margins.
Games Workshop. Cannot. Possibly. Control. Demand. Impossible. Not. Even. A. Fraction. Of. A. Percentage. Point.
Also, if people would just buy what GW made, why did not only Fantasy implode, but LoTR? Hell, why did the company (pre-Kirby) go through several years of dark red numbers?
Lord Damocles wrote: With what looks like only two pages of Necron Forgeworld rules in CA, they'll likely be losing units.
The Necrons fw section in ca 2019 only took up about a half page: 25% of one page then 25% of the next, so probably the same this time.
Oh, derp. I'd mistaken CA for having the actual rules in it
I'm sure CA including points, and then FW coming out with updated rules afterwards won't cause any problems...
I'm sure the ca points take account of the new rules for fw units. Of course that doesn't mean that there won't be discrepancies between the points in the actual fw books and ca.
Sunny Side Up wrote:Games Workshop. Cannot. Possibly. Control. Demand. Impossible. Not. Even. A. Fraction. Of. A. Percentage. Point.
Really? You should inform them and other corporations about this. They could save loads of time and money that they are currently wasting on advertising and pr.
Sunny Side Up wrote:Games Workshop. Cannot. Possibly. Control. Demand. Impossible. Not. Even. A. Fraction. Of. A. Percentage. Point.
Really? You should inform them and other corporations about this. They could save loads of time and money that they are currently wasting on advertising and pr.
BoomWolf wrote: Think on the bright side-this means they are being delivered into legends and might not being touched for the point increases from their current prices
Most of their units were already overpriced compared to their equivalents in other factions. No strategems, no warlord traits. This is sad when what we had with IA 13 is considered. There was no reason to move R&H OOP, other than to free up resources for MORE PRIMARIS.
HA, even if all R&H units remained the army would still massively under perform against anything.
As one R&H player to another, stop whining about the rules we lost and start fighting for the rules we could have!
Exactly as you just said, R&H as they are now (8e FW Index) is a pale shadow of both what the army was and what it could be. As Gadzilla said it's over priced, underpowered, devoid of features, and the range is discontinued.
Instead make your voice heard that you want a new, better R&H added to the core range. GW already cracked that door open a little when they released the Chaos enemies in Blackstone Fortress.
doesn't bother me as i'll get if i get from 
holdup?
The Necrons 