Stonebeard wrote: Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?
M193 is better vs. soft armor anyway...M855 is better at popping Soviet helmets. Chances are I'll have to shoot a bad guy wearing a vest long before I have to shoot one wearing a Soviet helmet.
I feel like my NATO standard .308 is probably just fine in the highly unlikely scenario some hombre in body armor or a light armored vehicle wants to rumble.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I feel like my NATO standard .308 is probably just fine in the highly unlikely scenario some hombre in body armor or a light armored vehicle wants to rumble.
Exactly. Lets see your pretty boy clothes stop my elephant gun of much BOOM!*
*Frazzled does not in actuality have an elephant gun. Frazzled has however made several toilets go BOOM within 24 hours of eating bad Mexican food. Its a gift.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I feel like my NATO standard .308 is probably just fine in the highly unlikely scenario some hombre in body armor or a light armored vehicle wants to rumble.
Stonebeard wrote: Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?
I get more accuracy and range using the 855 round out of my 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels than I do from 193.
Besides, the way this thing is written, M193 and 308 will be on the chopping block soon enough.
Stonebeard wrote: Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?
I get more accuracy and range using the 855 round out of my 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels than I do from 193.
Besides, the way this thing is written, M193 and 308 will be on the chopping block soon enough.
So you plan to engage the commie hordes at range, then?
Exactly (not really, huge jump there), which is why it's better to write your government officials and bitch at them incessantly than to waste time purchasing meh ammo.
Threw a set of Dawson Precision sights on my G19. This pistol does double duty as sports gun (without the light of course) and carry gun when I don't carry the pistol on my person (with the light of course).
It's got a fair bit of work done to it.
Smooth-faced trigger, fluff and buff on all surfaces.
Ghost Rocket connector.
Wolff spring kit (reduced power trigger and firing pin safety springs, increased power striker spring)
GFA (thing is a godsend)
Sights (was Ameriglo night sights...now Dawson Precision skinny fiber optic front)
Stonebeard wrote: Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?
I get more accuracy and range using the 855 round out of my 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels than I do from 193.
Besides, the way this thing is written, M193 and 308 will be on the chopping block soon enough.
So you plan to engage the commie hordes at range, then?
Exactly (not really, huge jump there), which is why it's better to write your government officials and bitch at them incessantly than to waste time purchasing meh ammo.
The round shoots better out of the barrels I prefer and I have access to a 400+yd range, hordes be damned. It sucks as a defensive round, but then thats not what I want 855 for, is it?
Actually doesnt cost anything for me to reach my reps (which I have). And since I work for an lgs, not much time is "wasted" buying ammo. BTW, anyone interested I have a few k worth to sell.
Stonebeard wrote: Should we really stock up on these, though? I mean, really.... they're not the best rounds on the planet. I feel your effort would be better suited to writing your government officials and your money better spent picking up some hollow points. I mean, really, are you planning on shooting at someone in armor?
I get more accuracy and range using the 855 round out of my 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels than I do from 193.
Besides, the way this thing is written, M193 and 308 will be on the chopping block soon enough.
So you plan to engage the commie hordes at range, then?
Exactly (not really, huge jump there), which is why it's better to write your government officials and bitch at them incessantly than to waste time purchasing meh ammo.
The round shoots better out of the barrels I prefer and I have access to a 400+yd range, hordes be damned. It sucks as a defensive round, but then thats not what I want 855 for, is it?
Actually doesnt cost anything for me to reach my reps (which I have). And since I work for an lgs, not much time is "wasted" buying ammo. BTW, anyone interested I have a few k worth to sell.
But the commies, man! What about the commies?! Better dead than red!
Hell, I don't know what you're buying it for, but fair enough. I just use wolf, myself. Then again, I can't hit the broad side of a barn at 400, so meh.
EDIT: Just to clarify, the point about commies before, that wan't me being argumentative, that was me light-hearted.
I wouldn't buy it based on Taurus quality, but at least somebody is doing something innovative in the gun industry. Unlike Glock, releasing its fourth generation of "perfection" and full-sized handguns that nobody wants, or any of the myriad 1911 companies who are banking on American obsession with a century-old obsolete design. Uh oh, I said it.
Frazzled wrote: Agreed its a new design. KelTec comes out with some cool funky stuff a lot too.
But that holster's just scary to me. I have to ask...why would someone get that?
I think the popularity has to do with the fact that they're grab-and-go. You don't need to thread your belt loops for it, just airline-tie the holster to your belt loop, put the holster over the trigger, then shove the gun in your pants. It does what a holster is designed to do - cover the trigger. It doesn't fall off the weapon until you actually go to present so if anything, they're safer than regular holsters since the "reholstering" process involves slipping the "holster" over the trigger guard while the weapon is pointed in a safe direction, rather than sweeping yourself with an unguarded trigger which most people do while reholstering.
Never personally had an interest in these holsters, but I think for appendix carry with a revolver it'd work pretty well.
So it basically clips around the gun. So when you draw it you need your free hand to clear any obstructions (shirt, coat tail, etc.), then you have to yank that off? No thank you
Never used them, and don't like Taurus but one other thing it has going for it is that it is not straight blowback (which may be hard for some to manage) like some of the other micros.
So it basically clips around the gun. So when you draw it you need your free hand to clear any obstructions (shirt, coat tail, etc.), then you have to yank that off? No thank you
Nope - you attach the "holster" to your belt. When you draw, it yanks right off automatically. It's really no more difficult than drawing using a traditional holster, the only difference is that in this case, the trigger guard is covered until you're basically in low ready.
Frazzled wrote: Agreed its a new design. KelTec comes out with some cool funky stuff a lot too.
But that holster's just scary to me. I have to ask...why would someone get that?
I think the popularity has to do with the fact that they're grab-and-go. You don't need to thread your belt loops for it, just airline-tie the holster to your belt loop, put the holster over the trigger, then shove the gun in your pants. It does what a holster is designed to do - cover the trigger. It doesn't fall off the weapon until you actually go to present so if anything, they're safer than regular holsters since the "reholstering" process involves slipping the "holster" over the trigger guard while the weapon is pointed in a safe direction, rather than sweeping yourself with an unguarded trigger which most people do while reholstering.
Never personally had an interest in these holsters, but I think for appendix carry with a revolver it'd work pretty well.
It doesn't distribute any weight. That sucks for real world carry.
I understand on the loop thing. I have a paddle holster and a button on OWB holsters (both Comp Tac) and competition mag holster that just clips on for just that reason. I like slider holsters but hated taking them on and off.
It doesn't distribute any weight. That sucks for real world carry.
I understand on the loop thing. I have a paddle holster and a button on OWB holsters (both Comp Tac) and competition mag holster that just clips on for just that reason. I like slider holsters but hated taking them on and off.
I think it's designed for pocket carry. Not gonna lie...there are times pocket carrying my Shield when I think, "It'd be nice if this thing looked a little bit less like a handgun in my pocket."
KiloFiX wrote: Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.
Which is a terrible option and I'd advise nobody to use that form of carry.
What would one do if wearing a dress?
Thigh holster
Alternatively, don't wear a dress if you're going to be carrying a gun and find concealment a challenge in a dress. One of the key concepts behind concealed carry is that you let the gun/carry position dictate the clothes, you do NOT let your clothes dictate the gun/carry position.
KiloFiX wrote: Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.
Which is a terrible option and I'd advise nobody to use that form of carry.
What would one do if wearing a dress?
Thigh holster
Alternatively, don't wear a dress if you're going to be carrying a gun and find concealment a challenge in a dress. One of the key concepts behind concealed carry is that you let the gun/carry position dictate the clothes, you do NOT let your clothes dictate the gun/carry position.
This has limits. If it were true, small handguns like the S&W Shield, Springfield XDS and Glock 42 wouldn't be nearly as popular as they are, and everybody would be wearing those stupid IDPA shoot-me-first vests.
In the real world, there are tradeoffs with everything and most reasonable people are willing to make them.
Purse carry (or murse as the case may be) definitely has disadvantages, like draw speed and retention issues, but if those aren't serious problems for you (as they aren't in my office), there's really no reason to say "never ever ever" to it as a carry method. I can draw from my bag on the passenger seat a hell of a lot faster while seated in a car with a seatbelt drawn than I can from OWB at 4:30.
FWIW I carry a smaller handgun on my person, and a larger pistol with a weapon light in my bag. There's also a pretty serious blowout kit in that bag along with a few spare magazines. I couldn't reasonably conceal all that stuff on me and still dress like a professional. Every method of carry has its place.
KiloFiX wrote: Not forgetting the other gender, there's also purse carry.
Which is a terrible option and I'd advise nobody to use that form of carry.
What would one do if wearing a dress?
If I'm wearing a dress there's bigger issues to worry about...for Humanity! The Wife purse carries. Its not ideal but hey what are you going to do. The positive is that her purse is so large she could carry a sawed off shotgun in it.
Seriously, a FS92 fits, no problem, and thats not a small pistol.
I'm curious why so many of you don't care for Taurus? I know they had a somewhat questionable reputation at one point, but I was under the impression that that was years ago and that newer models are pretty reliable. I have a Taurus and I've never had any problems with it (knock on wood).
Hordini wrote: I'm curious why so many of you don't care for Taurus? I know they had a somewhat questionable reputation at one point, but I was under the impression that that was years ago and that newer models are pretty reliable. I have a Taurus and I've never had any problems with it (knock on wood).
I dunno. I have a pair of Taurus's (Taurusii?) and have never had any real problems*, and I've run thousands of rounds through them. I know they had a bad reputation but I don't think that's particularly accurate anymore, just as Kimber is coasting on a once-good reputation they no longer deserve. Of course YMMV.
I wouldn't get the Curve which is what i believe that new gun is called, but I don't think I'm the target demo for it either.
*I had a couple of FTE's with the Taurus 1911 during the first 150 rounds fired, but that's pretty normal for any 1911 regardless of manufacturer so I don't think that counts.
Ouze wrote: I dunno. I have a pair of Taurus's (Taurusii?) and have never had any real problems*, and I've run thousands of rounds through them. I know they had a bad reputation but I don't think that's particularly accurate anymore, just as Kimber is coasting on a once-good reputation they no longer deserve. Of course YMMV.
I wouldn't get the Curve which is what i believe that new gun is called, but I don't think I'm the target demo for it either.
*I had a couple of FTE's with the Taurus 1911 during the first 150 rounds fired, but that's pretty normal for any 1911 regardless of manufacturer so I don't think that counts.
So you're not in the target audience for gimmicks?
Just not anything in .380. I eventually decided that with today's modern rounds, a +P 9MM JHP made by a top manufacturer is probably good enough, but to my thinking .380 is just too small of a caliber for a self-defense gun.
Breaking in this new gear from Gary C's on ebay. Under $50 to the door, custom layout, color-matched leather. Really nice quality. Holds a Fenix LD10 and a G26/19/17 mag.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: I think it's designed for pocket carry. Not gonna lie...there are times pocket carrying my Shield when I think, "It'd be nice if this thing looked a little bit less like a handgun in my pocket."
I had a friend who used a very small pistol that could fit into an old cassette tape case. I can't remember the model for the life of me, though.
Ouze wrote: Just not anything in .380. I eventually decided that with today's modern rounds, a +P 9MM JHP made by a top manufacturer is probably good enough, but to my thinking .380 is just too small of a caliber for a self-defense gun.
I can see .380 as a viable choice for back up pistol, but I agree on the +P 9mm rounds.
I found a wonderful Kimber .45 compact for less than 900 in Gander Mountain. I was surprised by its quality. I used to carry a PPK/S, and this will be the replacement. Don't get me wrong, though- there is a lot I like about the .380 and the PPK variants.
If I could find a .40 Baby Eagle around here, I would probably carry that.. PROBABLY is the key word because I am not impressed with their quality control as of late. I have one of those .50s but I am going to get rid of it and an AR to put some money towards either a socom or a shortened R700
The .40 Baby Eagle would require a LOT of range time before I would commit to carry.
Brometheus wrote: I found a wonderful Kimber .45 compact for less than 900 in Gander Mountain. I was surprised by its quality. I used to carry a PPK/S, and this will be the replacement. Don't get me wrong, though- there is a lot I like about the .380 and the PPK variants.
If I could find a .40 Baby Eagle around here, I would probably carry that.. PROBABLY is the key word because I am not impressed with their quality control as of late. I have one of those .50s but I am going to get rid of it and an AR to put some money towards either a socom or a shortened R700
The .40 Baby Eagle would require a LOT of range time before I would commit to carry.
Kimbers have very nice finishes to them no doubt. We've been impressed with the quality coming out of Turkey and the Philippines, especially in regards to 1911 models. Colt's 1911s lately leave alot to be desired. Remington also has been putting out some nice pistols.
Brometheus wrote: I found a wonderful Kimber .45 compact for less than 900 in Gander Mountain. I was surprised by its quality. I used to carry a PPK/S, and this will be the replacement. Don't get me wrong, though- there is a lot I like about the .380 and the PPK variants.
If I could find a .40 Baby Eagle around here, I would probably carry that.. PROBABLY is the key word because I am not impressed with their quality control as of late. I have one of those .50s but I am going to get rid of it and an AR to put some money towards either a socom or a shortened R700
The .40 Baby Eagle would require a LOT of range time before I would commit to carry.
How much have you shot the Kimber? It needs about 500 rounds to be broken in properly.
Their notations about changing the springs are serious.
meh... the DE of any kind is a bit of a gimmick IMO.
but Im also a caliberist when it comes to pistols...
anything thats not a .45 or a tokarev round isnt optimal in a pistol for defense IMO.
I only own a .22 pistol cause its cheap and fun to shoot
I find it odd that I can find 45-70 pistols but not 5.56 , i know they exist, but outside of cut down ar-15s and things similar to that is what I mean. I guess if it doesnt look like "that gun" from fallout I just dont like it lol
sad panda, looks like I will have to get my gunsmith license and mill my own.
Brometheus wrote: I found a wonderful Kimber .45 compact for less than 900 in Gander Mountain. I was surprised by its quality. I used to carry a PPK/S, and this will be the replacement. Don't get me wrong, though- there is a lot I like about the .380 and the PPK variants.
If I could find a .40 Baby Eagle around here, I would probably carry that.. PROBABLY is the key word because I am not impressed with their quality control as of late. I have one of those .50s but I am going to get rid of it and an AR to put some money towards either a socom or a shortened R700
The .40 Baby Eagle would require a LOT of range time before I would commit to carry.
Heard good things about Ruger's 1911.
RE: a shortened 700, the 700 SPS tactical rifles are pretty nice out of the box.
The bad: The stock has a bit too much "give" for a free floated stock (when you brace it on a bipod it won't really float freely, though this didn't seem to affect accuracy). The finish is poor so you have to keep it oiled or greased to prevent rust. Finally, they apparently have a temperature-sensitive safety that leads to accidental (truly accidental) discharges when disengaging the safety in cold weather.
The good: Great accuracy, small package, price is right. You can shoot sub MOA with the right load out of the box.
As fire arms are restricted in the uk for good reason, and i personaly think that its a stupid idea to have them any where near children or in your home. But tools that can be used as wepons in times of self defence are fine. Which is why i have a moderate collection of axes I use them as tools and for fun throwing them at targets. But weapons that are made to kill only and kill humans shouldent be allowed. Hunting well thats fine as long as its hunting rifels and in hunting grounds, you go kill a animal and leave your weapon in a locker when you leave. That is my opion and if you disagree thats fine as long as you have a valid reason.
e.earnshaw wrote: As fire arms are restricted in the uk for good reason, and i personaly think that its a stupid idea to have them any where near children or in your home. But tools that can be used as wepons in times of self defence are fine. Which is why i have a moderate collection of axes I use them as tools and for fun throwing them at targets. But weapons that are made to kill only and kill humans shouldent be allowed. Hunting well thats fine as long as its hunting rifels and in hunting grounds, you go kill a animal and leave your weapon in a locker when you leave. That is my opion and if you disagree thats fine as long as you have a valid reason.
e.earnshaw wrote: As fire arms are restricted in the uk for good reason, and i personaly think that its a stupid idea to have them any where near children or in your home. But tools that can be used as wepons in times of self defence are fine. Which is why i have a moderate collection of axes I use them as tools and for fun throwing them at targets. But weapons that are made to kill only and kill humans shouldent be allowed. Hunting well thats fine as long as its hunting rifels and in hunting grounds, you go kill a animal and leave your weapon in a locker when you leave. That is my opion and if you disagree thats fine as long as you have a valid reason.
I suspect you are in the wrong thread.
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e.earnshaw wrote: As fire arms are restricted in the uk for good reason, and i personaly think that its a stupid idea to have them any where near children or in your home. But tools that can be used as wepons in times of self defence are fine. Which is why i have a moderate collection of axes I use them as tools and for fun throwing them at targets. But weapons that are made to kill only and kill humans shouldent be allowed. Hunting well thats fine as long as its hunting rifels and in hunting grounds, you go kill a animal and leave your weapon in a locker when you leave. That is my opion and if you disagree thats fine as long as you have a valid reason.
Unfortunately this opinion is depressingly common in the UK. So glad I moved to a country that (mostly) respects an individual's right to bear arms for whatever reason they see fit, and are allowed to defend themselves and their families.
I live out in the middle of nowhere in the sticks. We have a farm. I also travel to conduct business while my wife tends the farm.
Some years back, my wife was out alone in one of our fields that was by a main but rural road. A van stopped and four men got out and started to approach her, crossing over a low stone wall into our field. One of them was carrying a screwdriver.
From a distance, my wife asked them what they wanted but they did not reply. So she drew her G19 that she carries with her all the time (the same gun in a picture I posted a few pages back). The men withdrew, without saying a thing and drove away. We subsequently reported their out of state license plate to the Sheriff. The Sheriff said they couldn't do anything if nothing happened but they would be on the watch for that van.
Could have been nothing, but I was glad she had 16 rounds of 9mm rather than just an axe. Guns are for self defense too. Not just hunting.
e.earnshaw wrote: I personaly think that its a stupid idea to have them any where near children or in your home.
Children? What, do you think we house children in armories? Not in the house, OK. Where do you suggest we place these firearms? I can guarantee that there is no place safer than somewhere you can control, which would be in your own home.
But tools that can be used as wepons in times of self defence are fine. Which is why i have a moderate collection of axes I use them as tools and for fun throwing them at targets.
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But weapons that are made to kill only and kill humans shouldent be allowed. Hunting well thats fine as long as its hunting rifels and in hunting grounds, you go kill a animal and leave your weapon in a locker when you leave. That is my opion and if you disagree thats fine as long as you have a valid reason.
Explain the difference between a rifle I can hunt with and a rifle I can kill humans with, because I'm not seeing one. If I fire my pop's M-14 at a deer, with the gun lock up and refuse to fire? Will the bullet stop itself in mid-air and scold me for not using it to kill people? Conversely, will my 16 gauge only work against birds?
Kimbers have very nice finishes to them no doubt. We've been impressed with the quality coming out of Turkey and the Philippines, especially in regards to 1911 models. Colt's 1911s lately leave alot to be desired. Remington also has been putting out some nice pistols.
My Rock Island 1911A1 is a Philippines build, got that badboy for $320, she's taken all the abuse I can throw at her, including a thousand rounds of nasty steel case as a torture test. That's my carry gun. I still absolutely stake my life on that weapon no problem.
If I could find a .40 Baby Eagle around here, I would probably carry that.. PROBABLY is the key word because I am not impressed with their quality control as of late. I have one of those .50s but I am going to get rid of it and an AR to put some money towards either a socom or a shortened R700
The .40 Baby Eagle would require a LOT of range time before I would commit to carry.
Who they? If you mean Magnum Research, it's worth remembering that the "Baby Eagle" (Originally the Jericho 941) is not a Desert Eagle internally, it shares a few cosmetic features, but otherwise it's built and designed by IMI (IWI) with the help of Tanfoglio of Italy (of the EAA Witness line) and like the Witness is a CZ 75 clone. For me at least I have one of the original import Jericho's and I fething love that pistol. First time I've enjoyed shooting a 9mm handgun. I'm a relatively lame pistol shot, but I was able to put seven rounds in a quarter at 10 yards, which is an unprecedented group for me with a pistol. Highly recommend, however you will probably have to order in or order online, not a lot of retailers are stocking IWI outside of the glorious Tavor at present. Which is a real shame.
Kimbers have very nice finishes to them no doubt. We've been impressed with the quality coming out of Turkey and the Philippines, especially in regards to 1911 models. Colt's 1911s lately leave alot to be desired. Remington also has been putting out some nice pistols.
My Rock Island 1911A1 is a Philippines build, got that badboy for $320, she's taken all the abuse I can throw at her, including a thousand rounds of nasty steel case as a torture test. That's my carry gun. I still absolutely stake my life on that weapon no problem.
I love my Rock Island 1911. Just wish the .22 conversion would work with the cheapo .22 and not just mini-mag (which I actually got some recently!)
Kimbers have very nice finishes to them no doubt. We've been impressed with the quality coming out of Turkey and the Philippines, especially in regards to 1911 models. Colt's 1911s lately leave alot to be desired. Remington also has been putting out some nice pistols.
My Rock Island 1911A1 is a Philippines build, got that badboy for $320, she's taken all the abuse I can throw at her, including a thousand rounds of nasty steel case as a torture test. That's my carry gun. I still absolutely stake my life on that weapon no problem.
What's funny to me is how Rock Island seems to be... I know a lot of guys (myself included) who see the price tag and walk away. A friend of mine took a gamble on one, and his is about the same. A guy at the same gun club we used to be in (my buddy still is a member, but I've since moved away) had a RI 1911 that was about as useful as a paperclip in a gunfight... Not worth the metal used to make the damn thing.
And the "funny" to me is that there seems to be no real middle ground there... ALL Rock Islands are either REALLY REALLY good, or they are REALLY REALLY bad.
My own 1911 is a Remington, and I've had zero problems with it, so I can vouch for the quality of at least my own experiences.
+1...when I think 1911 problems, first company that comes to mind is Kimber.
A buddy of mine was having FTFs every other round with his new RIA...we asked him to bring over the pistol that night. Turns out the dolt at the gun store had sold him .45 GAP instead of .45 ACP.
Regarding the .50, yes it is a novelty item. That's all.
Regarding Kimber .45, breaking it in is no problem as I intend to carry whichever gun I have the most range time with.. I am not a pro, but I am proficient enough.
remington has never let me down either, not sure why (or even if) they have a bad rep, I bought their cheapest model 700 series rifle, and its accurate, durable, reliable, and everything I want... for like 250$ canadian too...
when I think of bad brand names,
it think: para ordnance, kimber, kel tech, DPMS,
ironically, norinco used to be on that list, till I actually bought one of the newer AR's... ended up being the most reliable AR-15 I ever had... I call it the AK of AR's, shoots damn well too.
Stormrider wrote: but Remington-Rand pistols weren't made by Remington Firearms.
Actually Remington-Rand was an offshoot of Remington Arms that spun off into it's own company in 1927 under James Rand (jr). Vacuum tubes, razors, typewriters, and 1911s. Currently owned by Spectrum Brands (formerly Ray-o-vac). They were the proud sponsors of the shortest lived team Franchise in NFL history, the Tonawonda Kardex, who managed a single NFL game, which they lost, before the Franchise folded.
Shot a couple of new pistols today at the range...
A SAR B6P, which I expected to dislike, and absolutely loved. It's a poly-frame CZ-style pistol produced in Turkey. They sell for under $300. The lack of a decocker (thank heavens) allows you to carry it cocked and locked, or DA/SA. The DA trigger was pretty bad, like all DA triggers, but the SA trigger was fantastic. For the budget-minded, this thing performed great.
And a Browning Hi-Power, which I expected to like, and absolutely hated. Hammer bite just from racking the slide? Check. Bleeding after one magazine? Check. Not sure how people shoot these guns. The owner suggested I use a lower (i.e., inferior) grip, but I'm not going to change my grip to shoot one antiquated pistol. Guess I'll have to cross this one off the "buy" list.
I've been considering one of the Springfield M1A Loaded's with this years tax return. Have any of ya'll had any experience with them for target shooting?
cincydooley wrote: I've been considering one of the Springfield M1A Loaded's with this years tax return. Have any of ya'll had any experience with them for target shooting?
While I have not shot a loaded version on it, I have shot a good old wood version. I think I fired maybe 3 rounds through it, and it has been on my list to buy ever since.
A SAR B6P, which I expected to dislike, and absolutely loved. It's a poly-frame CZ-style pistol produced in Turkey. They sell for under $300. The lack of a decocker (thank heavens) allows you to carry it cocked and locked, or DA/SA. The DA trigger was pretty bad, like all DA triggers, but the SA trigger was fantastic. For the budget-minded, this thing performed great.
Turkey are making some really good quality budget guns nowadays. Not that long ago Turkish guns were mostly rubbish. They were cheap, but you could tell. Now they are becoming a serious player in the budget market. I would never want a Turkish air rifle for HFT/target work (fine for plinking, but they will never get close to my Air Arms on an HFT course) but I am seriously considering a Revo O/U 12G for pigeon and foxes.
Talking of which, does anyone have experience of Brattonsound Auto Sentinel gun safes?
cincydooley wrote: I've been considering one of the Springfield M1A Loaded's with this years tax return. Have any of ya'll had any experience with them for target shooting?
I've heard a lot regarding M1A's from Springfield both good and bad. Some people swear by them, others can't seem to ever get them to work as advertised and appear to have loads of problems.
Personally, I've shot one once, for the 15 rounds I put through it, it seemed to shoot just fine and was more accurate than I was.
e.earnshaw wrote: As fire arms are restricted in the uk for good reason, and i personaly think that its a stupid idea to have them any where near children or in your home. But tools that can be used as wepons in times of self defence are fine. Which is why i have a moderate collection of axes I use them as tools and for fun throwing them at targets. But weapons that are made to kill only and kill humans shouldent be allowed. Hunting well thats fine as long as its hunting rifels and in hunting grounds, you go kill a animal and leave your weapon in a locker when you leave. That is my opion and if you disagree thats fine as long as you have a valid reason.
I suspect you haven't thought this through very well. We have a very different view in the UK to the US on guns. Almost any firearms owner in the UK would want nothing to do with self defense with weapons as there primary reason for ownership, be that a gun or an axe. A throwing axe is no different to a hand gun. It has no other reason than to kill. Throwing axes are no good for chopping wood, and I would not want to throw a log splitting maul.
In the UK firearms have to be stored in a gun safe. That safe must meet set standards in construction and installation. You must have a license to have those guns. And storing them at the hunting grounds? Are you suggesting we install lockers in random fields? Most hinting in the UK is done on farms. Hunting of rabbits, foxes, rats and pigeon, along with shooting of grouse, pheasant and partridge. These can be on all sorts of land, not just some sort of "hunting ground". If anyone in the UK is letting their children near guns unsupervised they are going to be in deep trouble and have done something very wrong. I would have far rather let my children in the home of a gun owner than someone with a collection of axes.
In the UK most of the difference is down to culture, not legality. For shotguns the only diffrence I can see to the US system of background checks is the requirement to have a gunsafe.We have lest restrictive rules on low power air rifles than some parts of the US as far as I can tell. Most rifles we have a little more restrictive rules, but the main difference seems to be that you have to give a good reason to want a gun in the UK, and the background checks are about the same. But if everyone suddenly wanted to own a gun on the US scale they could, because the "good reason" is not a major issue, you just have to be a member of a gun club and shoot with them on a regular basis (regular is not defined. I know of some people who shoot .50 cal+ that only shoot once a year, due to the cost of the rounds, with the club that does that, yet they get to keep them). Some things are very restricted, or we just can't have at all. But he same is true of the US. In the UK if you want a moderator on an air rifle you can go out and buy one, if you want one on a rifle you have to have it added to your license, but the chances of them refusing are zero, where as in some parts of the US they are completely baned. If you want to shoot over 50 cal in the US, tough luck. In the UK, no problem. Just the same as any other rifle, you just need to be a member of a club that allows use of large cal center fire rifles.
Access to guns is not as different as people think, what is different, is the culture surrounding guns. Partly down to attitudes, partly down to accessibility of hunting lands, partly down to politics.
Frazzled wrote: Can you have pump shotguns there or just double barrels?
Under a shotgun licence you can have a pump action with 2+1, with a firearms licence anything you want. Pump action tends to be uncommon in any form though. People prefer a traditional look more, and pumps are normaly only used for practical shotgun. Some like them for pest control, but even plastic or camo stock O/U is unusual next to some form of wooden stock O/U or SXS.
So in KM news I formally got brought on as a staff writer for a gun blog. Albeit none of us get paid including the boss, but it's a feather for the cap I suppose.
KiloFiX wrote: PS90 - Wife's home defense gun. 50 rounds minimizes the need to reload, 5.7mm is easy to handle.
Backpack gun.
for some reason if i remember right the 5.7 round is banned in the united states they are considered "cop killer" rounds as they go through kevlar like a hot knife through butter, but i may be wrong its been awhile since i got out of the law field
KiloFiX wrote: The AP 5.7mm is restricted but there are 'sporting' 5.7mm that are not. Hard to see in the picture but the rounds we have are blue tipped sporting.
Edit - also, lots of things go through Kevlar anyway. The AP 5.7mm is not some magic round anyway.
right lol, the 5.7 has attention but a 50 cal barret used for "large game" can punch through a cast iron engine block..i prefer a 12 gauge for home defense, saves time aiming and insures the threat is eliminated, so no lawsuit
Crimson Heretic wrote: for some reason if i remember right the 5.7 round is banned in the united states they are considered "cop killer" rounds as they go through kevlar like a hot knife through butter, but i may be wrong its been awhile since i got out of the law field
Nope, not banned in the US, at least not in the Free States. As a matter of fact, AE/Federal make and sell some...
but they make a sporting version in the blue box that is legal.
ill leave it to someone else to comment on the specific differences between the banned 5.7 and the allowed 5.7, at one point I knew, but the cost of the legal ammo is redonkulous and put the kibosh on any plans I had to grab a P90.
tokarev rounds also defeat most body armour designed to stop pistol rounds, those rounds are legal up here, not sure about in the states.
thats a totally different type of ammo breotan in that other thread, totally different topic...
when talking about P90s people own, or dont own, that the cost of ammo is prohibitive due to reg's is pretty on topic.
now, back OT,
this has been tempting me as of late, im pretty old school with shotguns, and Id feel pretty stupid if all that reloading practice went to waste, but damn, these look nice.
Stormrider wrote: but Remington-Rand pistols weren't made by Remington Firearms.
Actually Remington-Rand was an offshoot of Remington Arms that spun off into it's own company in 1927 under James Rand (jr). Vacuum tubes, razors, typewriters, and 1911s. Currently owned by Spectrum Brands (formerly Ray-o-vac). They were the proud sponsors of the shortest lived team Franchise in NFL history, the Tonawonda Kardex, who managed a single NFL game, which they lost, before the Franchise folded.
I see their damn Typewriters at every flea market I go to lol, Remington and Winchester both delved into all kinds of different goods in the teens, twenties and onwards, it's interesting seeing all of the different tool and implement companies that they bought up.
I tend to differentiate between the Remington-Rand and Remington proper products due to the fact that RR wasn't a true firearms company, but a subsidiary of one. Same goes for the all of the weapons made by all of the GM Subsidiaries during WWII.
Also, thanks for the Tonawonda Kardex reference, the rough & tumble era of the NFL indeed.
easysauce wrote: thats a totally different type of ammo breotan in that other thread, totally different topic...
when talking about P90s people own, or dont own, that the cost of ammo is prohibitive due to reg's is pretty on topic.
now, back OT,
this has been tempting me as of late, im pretty old school with shotguns, and Id feel pretty stupid if all that reloading practice went to waste, but damn, these look nice.
This just makes me want to go more old school with an 1897 trench gun... if I could find one, or even one of those Norinco clones T_T
He says it's the riot gun, but the Riot didn't come with a bayonet lug. I'm gonna guess, but my guess is that someone lost their heat shield, which isn't all that uncommon in older ones.
He says it's the riot gun, but the Riot didn't come with a bayonet lug. I'm gonna guess, but my guess is that someone lost their heat shield, which isn't all that uncommon in older ones.
they had a "terminator combo" a while back on these
There was a lot of BS about the 5.7mm round when it came out and a few times afterward because reasons. There is a restricted AP version of the round.
In my opinion it's a little too penetrative for a pistol round and it's also har to find and very expensive. Still, 20 rounds in a standard mag is pretty pimp.
He says it's the riot gun, but the Riot didn't come with a bayonet lug. I'm gonna guess, but my guess is that someone lost their heat shield, which isn't all that uncommon in older ones.
You know, it's not really salient to the topic, exactly, but if you guys are getting these enormous tax returns and it's not due to EITC or some other refundable credits, you might want to reconsider your withholding. It's patriotic I guess to lend the government your tax dollars at zero percent interest but a little fiscally questionable.
Ouze wrote: You know, it's not really salient to the topic, exactly, but if you guys are getting these enormous tax returns and it's not due to EITC or some other refundable credits, you might want to reconsider your withholding. It's patriotic I guess to lend the government your tax dollars at zero percent interest but a little fiscally questionable.
I'm getting it because I don't actually owe the Fed anything. By law, I'm untaxed, don't owe the US Fed a dime, but convince an employer that. So I have to go through all the rigamarole to get my money back every year.
and I'm patriotic for my country all the time. After all, our politicians bribe the public, not the other way around.
There was a lot of BS about the 5.7mm round when it came out and a few times afterward because reasons. There is a restricted AP version of the round.
In my opinion it's a little too penetrative for a pistol round and it's also har to find and very expensive. Still, 20 rounds in a standard mag is pretty pimp.
I always wanted an FN 5.7 but with the cost of the ammo it's just insane to purchase one. 9mm is just the most practical if you intend to shoot. Heck we get 15-17 is most double stacks - capacity is really not an issue.
He says it's the riot gun, but the Riot didn't come with a bayonet lug. I'm gonna guess, but my guess is that someone lost their heat shield, which isn't all that uncommon in older ones.
If I had 3k I'd be all over it
There's a reason it hasn't sold, it is a Riot Gun, the fact that the Bayonet lug was added later on kills the collector value too. It's serial number range also precludes it from being a Trench Gun (I won't get into everything else that would need to be different for it to be close). That one isn't worth more than $3,000 in this market. The average unmolested Riot Gun shouldn't be more than $2,500 at the very best. Even Martial Shotguns that were bought on the secondary market by the military don't bring all that much more than civilian weapons.
Is an even larger embarrassment, that is a complete re-parkerzied job and it doesn't even look like it's that old. For shame to want that much for a project.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: There is a poor man's poodleshooter that takes more commonly available ammunition, if you can get past the Kel-Teciness.
I actually thought this might be a good pistol for someone with arthritis. Get a light trigger pull, with no perceptible recoil into the hand.
Yeah, and if you put 10+ rounds of .22 hollow points into someone's chest and face you will probably discourage them from whatever they were doing that prompted you to shoot them.
May also be good around here as an easy to carry anti-snake plinker.
I've wanted a PMR for a couple years now. Those guns look awesome and work surprisingly well, though it's common for you not to get all 30 rounds in, so most people just use 25ish
There's a reason it hasn't sold, it is a Riot Gun, the fact that the Bayonet lug was added later on kills the collector value too. It's serial number range also precludes it from being a Trench Gun (I won't get into everything else that would need to be different for it to be close).
I'll admit, I'm a bit curious, Winchesters not being my thing. I was under the impression that Trench guns ran between E613000 and E705000, this shotgun being E704624, meaning it was made in 1921.
KLAHOMA CITY - It's a true hero's story now being told to millions across our country, and it has an Oklahoma tie.
At Two Rivers Arms in southwest OKC, accuracy in the weapons they make is just as important their authenticity.
"A lot of collectors pick these up," said Shawn Hernandez who helps build the rifles.
Two Rivers Arms gives customers something our own soldiers couldn't bring back from the battlefield in Iraq: The AK 47 Tubuk Rifles used by the Iraqi army.
"We make them as authentic as possible," said Hernandez.
Which is why Producers of the film "American Sniper", tapped Two Rivers to make six tabuk rifles for the film.
"We were like okay, this is a joke," recalled Rep. Russell when he first got the call.
"To be apart of this and have our stuff be part of this, it's an amazing thing," said Hernandez.
Hernandez used the adjective "amazing" not just because his craftsmanship is seen on screen, but also to take part of such an important story.
American Sniper, the story of the U.S. Military's most lethal marksman, tackles issues like life after war for soldiers.
"You got to rally around our soldiers and support them," said Hernandez, a Navy reservist himself.
The fact that American Sniper has grossed more than 320 million dollars shows the guys at Two Rivers Arms, that unlike their guns, help for soldiers at home won't be put away.
"People want to know what's happening over there," said Hernandez.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So in KM news I formally got brought on as a staff writer for a gun blog. Albeit none of us get paid including the boss, but it's a feather for the cap I suppose.
Cool Can you tell us which blog?
KiloFiX wrote: PS90 - Wife's home defense gun. 50 rounds minimizes the need to reload, 5.7mm is easy to handle.
Very nice. Second gun I ever fired was the P90 and I loved it. Have you considered going the SBR route with it?
If you're buying in bulk the price to feed it could be between $0.62 and $0.58 a round.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So in KM news I formally got brought on as a staff writer for a gun blog. Albeit none of us get paid including the boss, but it's a feather for the cap I suppose.
Cool Can you tell us which blog?
KiloFiX wrote: PS90 - Wife's home defense gun. 50 rounds minimizes the need to reload, 5.7mm is easy to handle.
Very nice. Second gun I ever fired was the P90 and I loved it. Have you considered going the SBR route with it?
If you're buying in bulk the price to feed it could be between $0.62 and $0.58 a round.
I was thinking of going the SBR route but my wife also takes this with her in the car, and it complicates things for her if she has to drive out of state.
Ammo is expensive but for self defense purposes and the associated training, it's ok.
Edit - here's it's bigger brother the Tunafish.
I use it when; I need to play a left-handed action hero in a sci-if movie that's filmed using live ammo. Or when I need to look like Sam Fisher. No really, the latter is why I bought it in the first place.
I have a real soft spot for FN firearms, but I don't really know why because I've only ever fired two of them (P90 and an FNX 9). I really like how the FS2000 looks, I'd love to have a bullpup day and fire it along with the AUG and Tavor.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So in KM news I formally got brought on as a staff writer for a gun blog. Albeit none of us get paid including the boss, but it's a feather for the cap I suppose.
Frazzled wrote: Looks like the ATF just backed off the 5.56 ammo thing.
They said that the omission of M855 from their 2015 list of exceptions was just a publishing mistake and didn't signify that they had actually withdrawn the exception for M855.
But they did in fact send out a proposal framework, for public opinion, on what is to be considered "for sporting purposes" and what is considered "armor piercing".
Either way, it's not necessary and over-reaching.
Edit - forgot to mention above that their proposed framework for public opinion DOES reclassify M855 as armor piercing.
Yeah. First there is the double secret "no sporting purpose" ban that was issued in 2012, and then hidden. The existence of that is, uh, the subject of some debate.
What is not debated is that the 2014 list of exemptions did not include M855, which was a subject of speculation. Kilo indicated the list was the 2015 list. Anyway, they claim this was an oversight, which it almost certainly was, because secret bans that don't remove anything from sale aren't bans in practice. But, derpers gonna derp.
The impending exemption removal, and subsequent ban, is very much on the table. The comment period is still going and will for I think another week, if I recall. Contact your legislators.
@ouze - np, I had originally meant to say 2014 list posted man 2015 but somehow my mind truncated it.
Anyway, back to OT. Here's my "stays in truck" pistol.
HK45 and holster. It being .45, it has commonality with my carry 1911 but it's a little hardier for a truck gun. Pudding in glove box is my wife's contribution. If the sidearm doesn't work, I'll use the pudding.
Apparently, the US Senate believes that BATFE 2012 Sporting Purpose meeting took place (documents for which were "lost"):
Senator Lindsey Graham
Questions for the Record
Attorney General Holder
1) Currently, there is a ban on licensed firearm or ammunition manufacturers or importers selling armor piercing ammunition,” except for government use. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(7). Broadly speaking, the term is defined to include projectiles that “may be used in a handgun” and that are made out of certain particularly hard metals, except for any projectile that “the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.” See 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17).
Today, several ammunition industry members have requests pending with ATF to exempt various types of bullets --especially non-toxic hunting bullets—under this provision. How many exemption requests are now pending? ATF currently has 17 requests from two ammunition manufacturers seeking exemption from the law to produce and sell to the general public armor piercing ammunition as defined under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17).
2) Currently, there is a ban on licensed firearm or ammunition manufacturers or importers selling “armor piercing ammunition,” except for government use. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(7). Broadly speaking, the term is defined to include projectiles that “may be used in a handgun” and that are made out of certain particularly hard metals, except for any projectile that “the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.” See 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17).
Today, several ammunition industry members have requests pending with ATF to exempt various types of bullets --especially non-toxic hunting bullets—under this provision. What is the status of ATF’s review of the “sporting purposes” exemption?
ATF continues to formulate and evaluate a process by which it can consistently and fairly apply an objective test to exempt ammunition projectiles (constructed of a metal or metal compound that is defined as armor piercing ammunition) that are primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, while not obviating the purpose of the Act designed to protect law enforcement officers from ammunition projectiles that may penetrate body armor. Once this process is complete, formal notification will proceed.
3) Currently, there is a ban on licensed firearm or ammunition manufacturers or importers selling “armor piercing ammunition,” except for government use. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(7). Broadly speaking, the term is defined to include projectiles that “may be used in a handgun” and that are made out of certain particularly hard metals, except for any projectile that “the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.” See 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17).
In November 2012, ATF held meetings with manufacturers, gun owners’ groups, and gun control groups to get their thoughts on how to apply the “sporting purposes” exemption, but neither the gun owners’ groups nor industry have heard anything further on the issue since. ATF has not responded to Freedom of Information Act requests on this process that were filed immediately after those meetings. When will pending FOIA requests on this matter be answered?
There's a channel I subbed to on YouTube called Ted's Holdover and all he does is air rifles and review and DAMN can he shoot. So I'd suggest watching some of his videos, you'll find a few good suggestions on air rifles
Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.
easysauce wrote: good air rifles are hard to find, the best makers have really long waiting lists I find.
Been looking for a large caliber hunting air rifle, akin to what lewis and clark had, except with all the modern tweeks.
Those boutique kind of guns are pretty much out of my price range. Some of them are beautiful works of art, but still more than I can get past SWMBO. We carry Stoeger and Gamo at the shop, was hoping to get recommendations of other off the shelf brands I can access via my distributors. Firearms Im good with, air guns Im out of my element....
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Ouze wrote: Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.
Once you go suppressed, you'll never want to go back.....
Dreadclaw69 wrote: Anyone have any experience using Aguila mini shells in a pump shotgun?
They cycled ok in my 870 but I've shot no more than 10. Some of my buddies say it depends on the shotgun and that it might be certain batches of shells that might have a quality problem.
I would never use them for game nor self defense though.
Ouze wrote: Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.
I hope it passes for you
KiloFiX wrote: They cycled ok in my 870 but I've shot no more than 10. Some of my buddies say it depends on the shotgun and that it might be certain batches of shells that might have a quality problem.
I would never use them for game nor self defense though.
I've seen a few vids where they really don't cycle reliable in semi auto shotguns
Ouze wrote: Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.
I hope it passes for you
KiloFiX wrote: They cycled ok in my 870 but I've shot no more than 10. Some of my buddies say it depends on the shotgun and that it might be certain batches of shells that might have a quality problem.
I would never use them for game nor self defense though.
I've seen a few vids where they really don't cycle reliable in semi auto shotguns
I would expect them not to cycle in semi autos. Semi auto shotguns are very picky.
I had a Benelli M3 that would cycle ok with standard loads. Then I put a reflex sight in scout forward position on it and it started to fail to cycle. Then I moved the reflex sight backwards and it cycled again. And even then it wouldn't even reliable cycle the Federal Tactical (Light) loads.
Ouze wrote: Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.
neat! Minnesota has a bill pending for them. But I don't expect it to go anywhere. They may have enough votes to get it passed, but not enough to get past the veto.
Colorado has a bipartisan bill going forward to kill our mag ban. I'm excited. Not that I can't get all the mags I want in any capacity I want them, and every CLEO in the state is "selectively enforcing" the new law (mainly saying their deputies have better gak to do)
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Colorado has a bipartisan bill going forward to kill our mag ban. I'm excited. Not that I can't get all the mags I want in any capacity I want them, and every CLEO in the state is "selectively enforcing" the new law (mainly saying their deputies have better gak to do)
Funny how they whined about Magpul leaving the state, but were too proud to just kill the bill. Now they have a worthless bill that nobody enforces, a hole in the state economy where Magpul used to be.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Colorado has a bipartisan bill going forward to kill our mag ban. I'm excited. Not that I can't get all the mags I want in any capacity I want them, and every CLEO in the state is "selectively enforcing" the new law (mainly saying their deputies have better gak to do)
Funny how they whined about Magpul leaving the state, but were too proud to just kill the bill. Now they have a worthless bill that nobody enforces, a hole in the state economy where Magpul used to be.
Yeah, it's rather awkward, but at least they're making good on the error. I guess they're always a chance Magpul may return some of their operations in some part.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Colorado has a bipartisan bill going forward to kill our mag ban. I'm excited. Not that I can't get all the mags I want in any capacity I want them, and every CLEO in the state is "selectively enforcing" the new law (mainly saying their deputies have better gak to do)
Funny how they whined about Magpul leaving the state, but were too proud to just kill the bill. Now they have a worthless bill that nobody enforces, a hole in the state economy where Magpul used to be.
Yeah, it's rather awkward, but at least they're making good on the error. I guess they're always a chance Magpul may return some of their operations in some part.
Doubt it. Wouldn't be worth the cost.
Cool Colorado might be fixing their gak, though. Been looking at osteopathic schools, and Rocky Vista seems pretty, so definitely cool.
Not like 30 round mags are available. Everywhere. Probably. And of course all the repair kits you might need for all those broken P-mags you have lying around.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Not like 30 round mags are available. Everywhere. Probably. And of course all the repair kits you might need for all those broken P-mags you have lying around.
Which reminds me, I need to order 12 Magpul followers for some USGI mags I have....
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Colorado has a bipartisan bill going forward to kill our mag ban. I'm excited. Not that I can't get all the mags I want in any capacity I want them, and every CLEO in the state is "selectively enforcing" the new law (mainly saying their deputies have better gak to do)
Funny how they whined about Magpul leaving the state, but were too proud to just kill the bill. Now they have a worthless bill that nobody enforces, a hole in the state economy where Magpul used to be.
Yeah, it's rather awkward, but at least they're making good on the error. I guess they're always a chance Magpul may return some of their operations in some part.
Doubt it. Wouldn't be worth the cost.
Cool Colorado might be fixing their gak, though. Been looking at osteopathic schools, and Rocky Vista seems pretty, so definitely cool.
You're probably correct in that they're likely gone for good, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the future.
Meanwhile, having moved out of California, as much as I liked everything else there, it was quite fun to take off those mag-locks and the capacity limiters out of the magazines
AK47 Water Pistol.
Battery Powered Two Shots Per Second.
Range 6m
Clip lasts around 30 seconds on full-auto.
Use it to chase the neighbours cats out of the cat flap; but not when its freezing outside My cats are chickens.
Cry_of_the_Wind wrote: AK47 Water Pistol.
Battery Powered Two Shots Per Second.
Range 6m
Clip lasts around 30 seconds on full-auto.
Use it to chase the neighbours cats out of the cat flap; but not when its freezing outside My cats are chickens.
yellowfever wrote: Is that HK in the glove box on fire. As in not on safe
Yup. Hammer is also down though, perhaps on an empty chamber?
I'm not 100% familiar with the H&K's manual of arms, (I've handled one but never shot one), but I believe that model H&K has a decocker, so I think you could use the decocker to drop the hammer, and then disengage the safety.
yellowfever wrote: Is that HK in the glove box on fire. As in not on safe
Yup. Hammer is also down though, perhaps on an empty chamber?
I'm not 100% familiar with the H&K's manual of arms, (I've handled one but never shot one), but I believe that model H&K has a decocker, so I think you could use the decocker to drop the hammer, and then disengage the safety.
Yes you can. Would be a bad idea in a glovebox though imho, unless it sits in that holster with the trigger covered.
But then I also think it's a bad idea to leave guns in vehicles unattended. Never understood the "truck gun" concept. To each their own.
Again, this thread has remained open for so long because we have managed to keep it a "here is this cool gun I own" and "any tips on that gun" and "any thoughts on this ammo vs that ammo" kind of thread.
Keep the politics out.
Keep the "stupid ATF" out.
Keep the "liberals/conservatives" talk out.
This is NOT a political thread, which is why it has been civil with people posting and talking about guns in a friendly and relaxed way despite being on opposite sites during any gun argument involving politics.
No, I am not a MOD. No, I have no actual say about any of this. I'm just trying to make sure we keep on following the self-imposed rules that have kept a gun thread open in the OT for 2+ years now.
Was there a statement that liberals were bad because they don't like guns, or a statement that conservative were bad because they're gun nuts? It's a joke, something that most of the people in this thread will likely find funny because of the absurdity of some gun laws, independent of any political commentary of said firearms. If a mod finds it inappropriate, which they only would be if someone were to take insult to the post and start a big argument, they can do so themselves.
DarkLink wrote: It's a joke, something that most of the people in this thread will likely find funny because of the absurdity of some gun laws, independent of any political commentary of said firearms.
Keep it about guns and their uses, because this is what the thread is about. It is not about the absurdity of some gun laws. It is not about what some people find funny about the absurdity of some gun laws. It is not the thread for political commentary of said gun laws.
Not because the MOD's said so. But because the people who have managed to keep this thread open for over 2 years now said so. But we can start pushing the triangle to get MOD's involved 2 years after the creation even though everybodyo else has been able to follow the rules we have created for ourselves.
That's nice. You're the one trying to argue about it. I never felt any need to turn it political. Preaching angriy doesn't help keep things civil. Chill out, dude.
Posting "stupid ATF" links to make fun of "absurd gun laws" = turning it political.
Which will lead to more political posts, which will lead to "absurd gun owners" posts, which will lead "absurd liberals vs absurd conservatives posts", which will lead to a locked thread instead of a nice thread where gun owners regardless of political leanings and opinions about gun laws have been able to talk shop.
The only person that seems to care is you. Ever heard of the striesand effect? Like I said, it was a joke, and at least one other person found it funny, and so far only you have taken (extreme) offence to it. It's not worth arguing over. I'm not going to waste time arguing with you on something as silly as this. If you're actually serious about avoiding a flame war, then stop trying to start one.
Here, have a random, hopefully non offensive, politically correct, non serious, non politicized, etc funny picture.
So I think as soon as I have some spare cash I'm going to grab a Bersa Thunder in .380 for a "formal" gun and a light carry when I need one. It's a PPK clone and has been honed to a fine edge from what I understand from a couple owners.
yellowfever wrote: Is that HK in the glove box on fire. As in not on safe
Yup. Hammer is also down though, perhaps on an empty chamber?
I'm not 100% familiar with the H&K's manual of arms, (I've handled one but never shot one), but I believe that model H&K has a decocker, so I think you could use the decocker to drop the hammer, and then disengage the safety.
Yes you can. Would be a bad idea in a glovebox though imho, unless it sits in that holster with the trigger covered.
But then I also think it's a bad idea to leave guns in vehicles unattended. Never understood the "truck gun" concept. To each their own.
It is chambered, de cocked and NOT on safe. It sits in its holster in the glove box.
Modern guns have drop safeties, it cannot discharge without pulling the trigger. This is Condition 2.
It that condition it is no more dangerous than a chambered Glock.
Edit - btw lots of pistols are meant to be carried chambered and de cocked without safety on. In fact many have de dockers with NO SAFETIES like the Sig P226, Walter P99, some versions of the CZ-P07, the 'G' versions of Beretta 92 / 96, etc.
As for a truck gun. I have enough guns that I wouldn't miss it if I lost it. And where I live in backwoods Kentucky, there are plenty places to get bigger guns if someone wanted to steal one. Besides, everyone already has guns out here.
Why wouldn't I keep a truck gun? I have enough guns that I wouldn't miss it. And where I live in backwoods Kentucky, there are plenty places to get bigger guns if someone wanted to steal one. Besides, everyone already has guns out here.
My personal thought is that I consider an unsecured gun in a vehicle is just like an unsecured gun at my house or my front porch. Which I know people are also okay with, especially if they don't have any kids around the house to worry about.
Personally I keep my guns either physically on my person, or locked up (gun safe, lockbox attached to the floor of the vehicle, quick-combination box on the bed stand).
But different strokes for different folks as they say, that's just how I do it.
I agree with D. If you guys want to keep posting the ATF SUX LOL "funny" image macros, you have absolutely no ground to complain when someone posts their next "why do americans need all those guns lol they should be banned" nonsense, because now this is a general purpose thread centered around guns, and because of how fethed up some of you are about guns, the clock will immediately start ticking on the discussion about the inevitable violent overthrow of the US government and the intricacies of foreign support during the revolutionary war and how the holocaust wouldn't have happened if Hitler hadn't taken away guns and all the various stupid gak that as a community, we came together to agree to avoid in this thread.
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So... could someone explain this "truck gun" thing? I don't get it exactly. I have a friend from Texas who explained this was common but like, if you need a gun all the time why not a CCW pistol? I'm not crapping on the concept, I legitimately don't understand it.
Why wouldn't I keep a truck gun? I have enough guns that I wouldn't miss it. And where I live in backwoods Kentucky, there are plenty places to get bigger guns if someone wanted to steal one. Besides, everyone already has guns out here.
My personal thought is that I consider an unsecured gun in a vehicle is just like an unsecured gun at my house or my front porch. Which I know people are also okay with, especially if they don't have any kids around the house to worry about.
Personally I keep my guns either physically on my person, or locked up (gun safe, lockbox attached to the floor of the vehicle, quick-combination box on the bed stand).
But different strokes for different folks as they say, that's just how I do it.
That's fair.
And I'll say that if I lived somewhere else like maybe a big city, I may not keep a gun in the truck.
@ouze - I carry a 1911 daily but no harm having backups.
We've had a couple of daylight break-ins in our neighborhood where someone just kicked open the door. We do have an alarm system that is active even when we are home, but I'm starting to think about carrying at home again (don't really carry at home, but I have thought about it).
I do have a handsy 18 month old, so I'm always on the lookout for holsters that do secure a gun very well and cover the trigger completely, but are still fairly easy to remove the gun from if needed.
So who all carries at home, and what are some good holster recs?
Usually if I'm going in and out of the house during the day, my side arm just stays in my holster on my person. Better that than removing it and putting it back in, etc.
I actually carry the Commander version of the 1911. I has a 4.25 barrel. I prefer the 1911 because it's slimmer than a double stack like a Glock. The length is less of an issue than the width.
Plus, I use the 1911 in IPSC / IDPA, so I carry what I train and compete with.
Ouze wrote: 5" barrel? I love the 1911, but I had to dress to accommodate it, so I eventually went to a 3.5" 9mm.
It does the job I guess but the 1911 feels so much better to shoot.
I have some ragrets. I should have just gotten another 1911 but with a shorter barrel.
I carry a full size 1911 in .45, it's all about finding the right holster. I use an inside the waist band model from old faithful, campus carry is legal here in Colorado and I attended classes every day with my 1911 on my hit in every thing from shorts and a loose t-shirt on up to winter wear and I didn't get called out once.
d-usa wrote: We've had a couple of daylight break-ins in our neighborhood where someone just kicked open the door. We do have an alarm system that is active even when we are home, but I'm starting to think about carrying at home again (don't really carry at home, but I have thought about it).
I do have a handsy 18 month old, so I'm always on the lookout for holsters that do secure a gun very well and cover the trigger completely, but are still fairly easy to remove the gun from if needed.
So who all carries at home, and what are some good holster recs?
If you're just going to be carrying in the house and don't care about it being concealed, a shoulder holster could be a convenient option. Depending on what kind of pants you wear around the house, pocket carry could work well for your LCP.
d-usa wrote: We've had a couple of daylight break-ins in our neighborhood where someone just kicked open the door. We do have an alarm system that is active even when we are home, but I'm starting to think about carrying at home again (don't really carry at home, but I have thought about it).
I do have a handsy 18 month old, so I'm always on the lookout for holsters that do secure a gun very well and cover the trigger completely, but are still fairly easy to remove the gun from if needed.
So who all carries at home, and what are some good holster recs?
If you're just going to be carrying in the house and don't care about it being concealed, a shoulder holster could be a convenient option. Depending on what kind of pants you wear around the house, pocket carry could work well for your LCP.
Haven't considered a shoulder holster, so I might look at some of those. The little one knows that the fun and shiny phone is usually in the pocket, so she sometimes tries to dig for that which will probably rule out pocket carry for me though.
I just now thought of this, but a belly band could be a decent option as well, and depending on weapon placement, you can conceal under just a t-shirt, at least well enough for carry around the house and in your yard and such.
Ouze wrote: So... could someone explain this "truck gun" thing? I don't get it exactly. I have a friend from Texas who explained this was common but like, if you need a gun all the time why not a CCW pistol? I'm not crapping on the concept, I legitimately don't understand it.
I think it has something to do with State law. Some States can be finicky about firearms, especially pistols and whether they can be concealed, how the can be concealed, etc. So to get around this when in public some people seem to prefer a long gun as many States do not require a license to own and carry.
I was thinking more like a pink t-shirt, shoulder holster and white sports jacket.... With Jan Hammer playing in the background.
Wish I could give you better advice on a convenient way to carry at home while keeping it safe from kids but I don't have kids nor experience with their dynamics.
So... could someone explain this "truck gun" thing? I don't get it exactly. I have a friend from Texas who explained this was common but like, if you need a gun all the time why not a CCW pistol? I'm not crapping on the concept, I legitimately don't understand it.
Someone will undoubtedly chime in parroting the old phrase, "a handgun is only there so you can fight your way to a rifle," and a rifle in your vehicle is probably closer than a rifle in the safe at home.
It would be hard to justify a truck gun, considering that if you have time to go to your vehicle and retrieve a rifle, you probably should have just left the scene. But, I can think of a few scenarios where that wouldn't be the case especially if you're used to driving in rural areas, if you work for a school in a remote area where response times for police would be expected to be long (> 15 m), things like that.
Usually it's just an excuse to drive around with a rifle in your car though. Only one case springs to mind where a guy actually used a "truck gun" and it wasn't really a "truck gun" per se - it was (IIRC) a post-86 dealer sample machine gun and the guy received a ton of flak for using it, even though it was eventually ruled justifiable.
FWIW on road trips I usually bring a rifle as my carry permit may not be good in that state, and I like having a "nightstand gun."
So... could someone explain this "truck gun" thing? I don't get it exactly. I have a friend from Texas who explained this was common but like, if you need a gun all the time why not a CCW pistol? I'm not crapping on the concept, I legitimately don't understand it.
Someone will undoubtedly chime in parroting the old phrase, "a handgun is only there so you can fight your way to a rifle," and a rifle in your vehicle is probably closer than a rifle in the safe at home.
It would be hard to justify a truck gun, considering that if you have time to go to your vehicle and retrieve a rifle, you probably should have just left the scene. But, I can think of a few scenarios where that wouldn't be the case especially if you're used to driving in rural areas, if you work for a school in a remote area where response times for police would be expected to be long (> 15 m), things like that.
Usually it's just an excuse to drive around with a rifle in your car though. Only one case springs to mind where a guy actually used a "truck gun" and it wasn't really a "truck gun" per se - it was (IIRC) a post-86 dealer sample machine gun and the guy received a ton of flak for using it, even though it was eventually ruled justifiable.
FWIW on road trips I usually bring a rifle as my carry permit may not be good in that state, and I like having a "nightstand gun."
Yeah, I don't think many real life instances back this up. Most self defense situations happen too fast. I'd feel like keeping a rifle in my car would be a good way of getting it stolen if my car ever got broken into.
I use my truck when I'm checking on my farm. Sometimes there are wild dogs or coyotes that threaten livestock that need to be dealt with.
Or sometimes my buddy will be like, "hey want to come over for dinner?" then later "hey want to go hunt some wild pig?" And I don't want to be like "hey I left my rifle at home"....
Yeah this is definitely a city/suburbia vs. rural thing. There's a lot you can use a truck gun for and protecting livestock or snap shooting on a wild hog, or just meeting up with the boys and shooting gak are all perfectly normal things to do.
d-usa wrote: We've had a couple of daylight break-ins in our neighborhood where someone just kicked open the door. We do have an alarm system that is active even when we are home, but I'm starting to think about carrying at home again (don't really carry at home, but I have thought about it).
I do have a handsy 18 month old, so I'm always on the lookout for holsters that do secure a gun very well and cover the trigger completely, but are still fairly easy to remove the gun from if needed.
So who all carries at home, and what are some good holster recs?
If you're just going to be carrying in the house and don't care about it being concealed, a shoulder holster could be a convenient option. Depending on what kind of pants you wear around the house, pocket carry could work well for your LCP.
Haven't considered a shoulder holster, so I might look at some of those. The little one knows that the fun and shiny phone is usually in the pocket, so she sometimes tries to dig for that which will probably rule out pocket carry for me though.
That does make me think a shoulder holster for a phone would be a funny joke item. Not in this case, obviously, just in general. Maybe for a G man halloween costume or something.
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d-usa wrote: If I lived in Alaska I would keep a bear rifle in every vehicle I owned as well!
That's just an excuse to get one of these:
(If I had one, I'd really hope I'd never have to fire it. It would have to hurt)
d-usa wrote: We've had a couple of daylight break-ins in our neighborhood where someone just kicked open the door. We do have an alarm system that is active even when we are home, but I'm starting to think about carrying at home again (don't really carry at home, but I have thought about it).
I do have a handsy 18 month old, so I'm always on the lookout for holsters that do secure a gun very well and cover the trigger completely, but are still fairly easy to remove the gun from if needed.
So who all carries at home, and what are some good holster recs?
If you're just going to be carrying in the house and don't care about it being concealed, a shoulder holster could be a convenient option. Depending on what kind of pants you wear around the house, pocket carry could work well for your LCP.
Haven't considered a shoulder holster, so I might look at some of those. The little one knows that the fun and shiny phone is usually in the pocket, so she sometimes tries to dig for that which will probably rule out pocket carry for me though.
That does make me think a shoulder holster for a phone would be a funny joke item. Not in this case, obviously, just in general. Maybe for a G man halloween costume or something.
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d-usa wrote: If I lived in Alaska I would keep a bear rifle in every vehicle I owned as well!
That's just an excuse to get one of these:
(If I had one, I'd really hope I'd never have to fire it. It would have to hurt)
I shot a 500 once. Keyword once. Never again, and especially without the long barrel to act as a counterweight.
So, since moving to a state where it's possible, I've been looking into a carry permit.
I've been rather enamored of the Glock 42, but am also looking very hard at a Ruger LCR in either 38+p or 9mm. Anyone have any experience with the LCR in either caliber and have an opinion?
Vaktathi wrote: Anyone have any experience with the LCR in either caliber and have an opinion?
No experience with the LCR. I own the .380 LCP and my dad owns the 9mm LC9, and we are both very happy with them so from a quality standpoint I wouldn't expect anything less from the LCR.
I've carried the LCR .38 for a few years now. It's my most-carried gun. It's just so light and handy to grab on the way out the door, very easy carrying. With the hogue tamer grip it's extremely pleasant to shoot for a snubbie and is quite accurate if you do your part. Had no problems at all with it either. Highly recommended!
Vaktathi wrote: So, since moving to a state where it's possible, I've been looking into a carry permit.
I've been rather enamored of the Glock 42, but am also looking very hard at a Ruger LCR in either 38+p or 9mm. Anyone have any experience with the LCR in either caliber and have an opinion?
The LCR yes. My oldest brother has one for carry when it's hot out. I can tell you on the older ones (ie a few years old) the triggers on them is terrible and is hard to hit anything with accuracy. But Ruger just redid them this year and apparently the triggers are just awesome. Hickok45 just did a review on it speaking of. So I'd suggest looking at the redesign because I can tell you the originals have a real clunky trigger
Again, this thread has remained open for so long because we have managed to keep it a "here is this cool gun I own" and "any tips on that gun" and "any thoughts on this ammo vs that ammo" kind of thread.
Keep the politics out.
Keep the "stupid ATF" out.
Keep the "liberals/conservatives" talk out.
This is NOT a political thread, which is why it has been civil with people posting and talking about guns in a friendly and relaxed way despite being on opposite sites during any gun argument involving politics.
No, I am not a MOD. No, I have no actual say about any of this. I'm just trying to make sure we keep on following the self-imposed rules that have kept a gun thread open in the OT for 2+ years now.
Agreed. to bring that pic back on topic:
1. Thats not a rifle, thats an classic antique I've never seen before. 2. Thats not a pistol. Thats a brick 3. That takes arm braces to a dimension I never thought we would go.
Vaktathi wrote: So, since moving to a state where it's possible, I've been looking into a carry permit.
I've been rather enamored of the Glock 42, but am also looking very hard at a Ruger LCR in either 38+p or 9mm. Anyone have any experience with the LCR in either caliber and have an opinion?
The LCR yes. My oldest brother has one for carry when it's hot out. I can tell you on the older ones (ie a few years old) the triggers on them is terrible and is hard to hit anything with accuracy. But Ruger just redid them this year and apparently the triggers are just awesome. Hickok45 just did a review on it speaking of. So I'd suggest looking at the redesign because I can tell you the originals have a real clunky trigger
That's the first I've heard about bad triggers on an LCR. I got one soon after they first came out and it has a silky smooth pull. It was one of the major selling points of the gun. All the reviews praised it and it's one of the factors that made me choose it. Sure, it's heavy like any other snub, but the travel is smooth.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I think as soon as I have some spare cash I'm going to grab a Bersa Thunder in .380 for a "formal" gun and a light carry when I need one. It's a PPK clone and has been honed to a fine edge from what I understand from a couple owners.
The Wife has one and a friend had one so comfortable to talk about.
They have a lighter recoil than most 380s because of their size and the sights are really big for their size. They are also very easy to break down to clean.
The negative: they have a tendency to break and can sometimes be very finicky with ammo.
If you like that size I'd also recommend looking at:
Browning just came out with a downsized 1911 thats .380. We have an old Lllama thats that sized and I love it.
Also Colt Mustang and Sig 238 are comparables to also check out.
For the size its not a super small pistol. You might also consider
Walther PPS and S&W Shield for similar size but 9mm.
I've shot the Walther and it is choice! kick is better than the .380 because its a locked breech vs. straight blowback. I'm sure the Shield is the same.
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So... could someone explain this "truck gun" thing? I don't get it exactly. I have a friend from Texas who explained this was common but like, if you need a gun all the time why not a CCW pistol? I'm not crapping on the concept, I legitimately don't understand it.
In my younger post caveman days, it was extremely common to see pickups with a shotgun rack with a beater shotgun, lever action, or if in Houston, a big umbrella.
Its not a CHL situation, its a farming/rural tradition in Texas. In older days all da menz had rifles/shotguns because populations are sparse. When people switched from horses to trucks, they brought their rifle carrying tradition with them. Tooling around the open areas of West or South Texas, you can understand why.
d-usa wrote: We've had a couple of daylight break-ins in our neighborhood where someone just kicked open the door. We do have an alarm system that is active even when we are home, but I'm starting to think about carrying at home again (don't really carry at home, but I have thought about it).
I do have a handsy 18 month old, so I'm always on the lookout for holsters that do secure a gun very well and cover the trigger completely, but are still fairly easy to remove the gun from if needed.
So who all carries at home, and what are some good holster recs?
If you're just going to be carrying in the house and don't care about it being concealed, a shoulder holster could be a convenient option. Depending on what kind of pants you wear around the house, pocket carry could work well for your LCP.
Haven't considered a shoulder holster, so I might look at some of those. The little one knows that the fun and shiny phone is usually in the pocket, so she sometimes tries to dig for that which will probably rule out pocket carry for me though.
I would be very leery of carrying around the house with a toddler that young for just that reason. You might wait until they are a little older. They get less explory grabby (until their teenagers, then they just wrsetle you down and take your wallet).
d-usa wrote: Haven't considered a shoulder holster, so I might look at some of those. The little one knows that the fun and shiny phone is usually in the pocket, so she sometimes tries to dig for that which will probably rule out pocket carry for me though.
Have you considered carrying on an empty chamber instead? If you are worried about home invasions shouldn't the sounds of forced entry give you enough time to chamber a round?
d-usa wrote: Haven't considered a shoulder holster, so I might look at some of those. The little one knows that the fun and shiny phone is usually in the pocket, so she sometimes tries to dig for that which will probably rule out pocket carry for me though.
Have you considered carrying on an empty chamber instead? If you are worried about home invasions shouldn't the sounds of forced entry give you enough time to chamber a round?
Alex C wrote: I shot a FAL (US civvie version is basically the same thing as an SLR) last year. It was a hoot!
Dad had his Lee-Enfield replaced with the SLR when he was in the RAF. He much preferred the Lee-Enfield...
FN FAL is the original battle rifle that the SLR was based off, the former being made to metric and could fire on fully automatic whilst the latter was made to Imperial and was restricted to semi-automatic fire.
Both saw service on the Argentine and British side respectively in the Falklands.
I'm familiar with the FAL.. I meant that the one I shot was not select fire, so it was basically the same as the SLR.
Seems vets always prefer their older weapon. Maybe nostalgia or familiarity? In the case of the L85A1 I can see why they would prefer the SLR. A2 model is supposed to have fixed the issues though.
d-usa wrote: Haven't considered a shoulder holster, so I might look at some of those. The little one knows that the fun and shiny phone is usually in the pocket, so she sometimes tries to dig for that which will probably rule out pocket carry for me though.
Have you considered carrying on an empty chamber instead? If you are worried about home invasions shouldn't the sounds of forced entry give you enough time to chamber a round?
This is a good idea. Just practice Israeli carry.
Because tiny fingers can slip in the small gap between holster and trigger guard, I do not chamber a round in the Glock when I am in the house. Outside however, I have it chambered and ready to go.
Top row, left to right:
My main everyday carry Nighthawk Commander, a Smith & Wesson PD if I want to carry one with a laser, a Kimber TLE/rail if I want to carry one with a rail, a Springfield EMP in .40 and another in 9mm if I needed more concealment and used a holster that allowed shirt tuck ins
Bottom row, left to right:
A 1911 that I gunsmith'ed myself from a Caspian frame that I use for training / competition, a Springfield TRP which is my backup training / competition 1911, a Nighthawk with threaded barrel for suppressor use, and my home defense Wilson CQB.
If you have a 1911 question, make / model purchase, technical / maintenance question, competition / use, etc. - I'm your guy.
Top row, left to right:
My main everyday carry Nighthawk Commander, a Smith & Wesson PD if I want to carry one with a laser, a Kimber TLE/rail if I want to carry one with a rail, a Springfield EMP in .40 and another in 9mm if I needed more concealment and used a holster that allowed shirt tuck ins
Bottom row, left to right:
A 1911 that I gunsmith'ed myself from a Caspian frame that I use for training / competition, a Springfield TRP which is my backup training / competition 1911, a Nighthawk with threaded barrel for suppressor use, and my home defense Wilson CQB.
If you have a 1911 question, make / model purchase, technical / maintenance question, competition / use, etc. - I'm your guy.
Top row, left to right:
My main everyday carry Nighthawk Commander, a Smith & Wesson PD if I want to carry one with a laser, a Kimber TLE/rail if I want to carry one with a rail, a Springfield EMP in .40 and another in 9mm if I needed more concealment and used a holster that allowed shirt tuck ins
Bottom row, left to right:
A 1911 that I gunsmith'ed myself from a Caspian frame that I use for training / competition, a Springfield TRP which is my backup training / competition 1911, a Nighthawk with threaded barrel for suppressor use, and my home defense Wilson CQB.
If you have a 1911 question, make / model purchase, technical / maintenance question, competition / use, etc. - I'm your guy.
Edit - correcting autocorrect, lol
I promise that I am in no way, shape or form jealou... I can't even finish that sentence
These are the other pistols I used to compete with. Glock 34, Smith & Wesson M&P9L, Beretta 92.
Back around 2004 I was using the G34 plenty, then later the M&P (I found its grip angle to be better) but lately I haven't actually used any of them for awhile. My buddies though love to shoot these specific models.
I originally started IDPA back in the 90s with a 92 without a rail but that specific pistol has since been 'retired'. At some point later I started using the G34, then for a time bought and competed with the newer version of the 92 (because I missed it), then went to the M&P9L. But last few years I've just been using my 1911.
Vaktathi wrote: So, since moving to a state where it's possible, I've been looking into a carry permit.
I've been rather enamored of the Glock 42, but am also looking very hard at a Ruger LCR in either 38+p or 9mm. Anyone have any experience with the LCR in either caliber and have an opinion?
Didn't see anyone suggest it so I will throw it out there, try to find a store where you can shoot both and make your own decision on how you like shooting them.
Personally, I like the LCR but I haven't spent a lot of time shooting either.
Top row, left to right:
My main everyday carry Nighthawk Commander, a Smith & Wesson PD if I want to carry one with a laser, a Kimber TLE/rail if I want to carry one with a rail, a Springfield EMP in .40 and another in 9mm if I needed more concealment and used a holster that allowed shirt tuck ins
Bottom row, left to right:
A 1911 that I gunsmith'ed myself from a Caspian frame that I use for training / competition, a Springfield TRP which is my backup training / competition 1911, a Nighthawk with threaded barrel for suppressor use, and my home defense Wilson CQB.
If you have a 1911 question, make / model purchase, technical / maintenance question, competition / use, etc. - I'm your guy.
Edit - correcting autocorrect, lol
I promise that I am in no way, shape or form jealou... I can't even finish that sentence
Holy GAWD.....you lining up for Boondock Saints III?
d-usa wrote: Haven't considered a shoulder holster, so I might look at some of those. The little one knows that the fun and shiny phone is usually in the pocket, so she sometimes tries to dig for that which will probably rule out pocket carry for me though.
Have you considered carrying on an empty chamber instead? If you are worried about home invasions shouldn't the sounds of forced entry give you enough time to chamber a round?
This is a good idea. Just practice Israeli carry.
Because tiny fingers can slip in the small gap between holster and trigger guard, I do not chamber a round in the Glock when I am in the house. Outside however, I have it chambered and ready to go.
I'll give the Israeli carry a try, thanks everyone.
ski2060 wrote: So, it seems as if Glock is coming out with asingle stack 9mm soon. G43.. slightly larger version of the G42 .380 that came out recently.
Thinner than their previous subcompacts, but only carrying 6 rounds in a flush mag.
Seems like they might be working slightly up-hill on the single-stack 9mm market. If Glock would have released this a few years back, maybe, but I doubt they're going to be able to improve on the concept enough to convince consumers, who have likely already made their purchases, to spend money on their product. That being said, they'll do well enough of Glock-nuts, so I don't suppose it matters.
And, in honor of Bibi winning Israel's PM elections, a throwback Israel-style lunch pic.
Yes, I know, the weapon was dirty. Weapons maintenance in the IDF was very much on "as needed" and "where needed" bases...it was clean and well-oiled inside.
I originally started IDPA back in the 90s with a 92 without a rail but that specific pistol has since been 'retired'. At some point later I started using the G34, then for a time bought and competed with the newer version of the 92 (because I missed it), then went to the M&P9L. But last few years I've just been using my 1911.
What class? How did you deal with the DA/SA transition?
Sorry to interrupt the ongoing discussion, but I got a question for all you gun-folks.
So one of my grandfathers found an old broken revolver by the side of the road one day, and I've inherited it. It's got an octagonal barrel, 6 shots, centerfire, and from the markings and the safety hammer appears to be an H&R- but it's missing the bit that keeps the cylinder from falling out. It seems to be a .32 or so in calibre- definitely bigger than a .22 and I think smaller than a .44.
What ought I do with it? What sort of repairs would be needed, what's the bit that's missing (and where could I potentially find one on the cheap), etc. etc.
I got a buddy who's into guns, and occasionally takes me out to the range- I'd kinda like to have my own pistol for target shooting.
I originally started IDPA back in the 90s with a 92 without a rail but that specific pistol has since been 'retired'. At some point later I started using the G34, then for a time bought and competed with the newer version of the 92 (because I missed it), then went to the M&P9L. But last few years I've just been using my 1911.
What class? How did you deal with the DA/SA transition?
With the G34, M&P9L and Beretta 92, I did IDPA Stock Service Pistol. With the Beretta that meant chambered and decocked. It did NOT have to be decocked and safety on. So all that meant was that first pull would be longer. I got used to it but it was a big reason I eventually moved to the G34 (though for a period I went back to the 92 again just for fun). Apart from the first long trigger pull, the 92 was actually a good pistol for competition. It was accurate and I had very few malfunctions with it, as long as it was maintained and primarily the recoil springs and the slide lock replaced every so often.
With my 1911, I've been doing Single Stack IPSC (actually USPSA) and CDP IDPA.
Ayah on the Beretta I love the SA. Its the second most accurate pistol I have and beats the tar out of plastic guns. But that DA/SA makes me put the first one in the ground. Strangely the Wife's Storm is a lot better DA/SA.
Its also a shame that SWMBO confiscated the 92 for personal use, and then GC confiscated the confiscation for HER personal use. Grrr.
@Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.
@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp
@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.
Anvildude wrote: Sorry to interrupt the ongoing discussion, but I got a question for all you gun-folks.
So one of my grandfathers found an old broken revolver by the side of the road one day, and I've inherited it. It's got an octagonal barrel, 6 shots, centerfire, and from the markings and the safety hammer appears to be an H&R- but it's missing the bit that keeps the cylinder from falling out. It seems to be a .32 or so in calibre- definitely bigger than a .22 and I think smaller than a .44.
What ought I do with it? What sort of repairs would be needed, what's the bit that's missing (and where could I potentially find one on the cheap), etc. etc.
I got a buddy who's into guns, and occasionally takes me out to the range- I'd kinda like to have my own pistol for target shooting.
probably cheaper and safer to buy a new gun, that revolver is a great candidate for a wall hanger.
KiloFiX wrote: @Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.
@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp
@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.
I am not worthy! Just started USPSA myself (production), not enough runs to qualify yet. Man you have to carry a lot of mags if you're production....
KiloFiX wrote: @Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.
@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp
@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.
I am not worthy! Just started USPSA myself (production), not enough runs to qualify yet. Man you have to carry a lot of mags if you're production....
yeah, I think getting used to the mags + belts/holsters and so on is something that takes a while to get used too.
We have some three gun stages up here where you have to use all three, pistol, rifle, shotgun, on the same course, some can go 30 pistols, 15 shotgun, 30+ rifle shots (and this is IF you hit every shot)
I used to feel like having 5+ pistol mags on my belt was a lot, esp since its .45, but add on two 4X4 shotgun caddies, and put a chest rig over top of that with a few extra shells/mags in the dump pouch, and wow... do you get a workout!
Its a lot of fun though, glad you are getting into USPSA, wish we had more of that up here as its a really well run system IMO.
If they ever do steel challenge matches, I highly recommend those as well, they are internationally done, so its a good way to see how you measure up compared to a larger pool of competitors.
KiloFiX wrote: @Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.
@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp
@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.
I am not worthy! Just started USPSA myself (production), not enough runs to qualify yet. Man you have to carry a lot of mags if you're production....
Nice, what firearm are you using for Production?
On long courses I might end up with 4 or 5 magazines on the belt, 1 in the gun. 4 for the course, 1 or 2 in case of malfunction. I find that no matter where you start out, getting to B class is very fast. Then A takes a little work.
Right? I love my two old pistols (the revolvers. The big model 19 is an early model from the late 60s, which is right before S&W took a slight quality dive so lucky me) and my old school 1911A1 has served me faithfully in the shittiest conditions and with crap Ruskie steel case ammo. The most modern pistol I have is the Israeli Jericho, and you can't go wrong with a CZ-75 clone.
KiloFiX wrote: @Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.
@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp
@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.
I am not worthy! Just started USPSA myself (production), not enough runs to qualify yet. Man you have to carry a lot of mags if you're production....
Nice, what firearm are you using for Production?
On long courses I might end up with 4 or 5 magazines on the belt, 1 in the gun. 4 for the course, 1 or 2 in case of malfunction. I find that no matter where you start out, getting to B class is very fast. Then A takes a little work.
M&PL. In the semi-liquid environment that is the Texas Gulf Coast, me likey stainless steel.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: A real flamethrower is throwing napalm. If I can't use it to clear an IJA Pillbox on Iwo Jima circa the 1940s, it's just a giant novelty lighter.
If you're setting up a holo scope to cowitness with iron sights, and you do a lower third cowitness, the dot moves with your eye, right? So that would make the best setup, as far as clutter, for fixed iron sights?
If you're using folding iron sights, then is an absolute cowitness the way to go?
If you're setting up a holo scope to cowitness with iron sights, and you do a lower third cowitness, the dot moves with your eye, right? So that would make the best setup, as far as clutter, for fixed iron sights?
If you're using folding iron sights, then is an absolute cowitness the way to go?
... technically that was a series of questions.
Yes on all counts. If your irons are already zeroed, a true cowitness lets you get on paper with your holo much easier. Also usually better for cheek weld given the zero.
I have difficulties kneeling down which the third set does with shooting around a barrel. As the daughter said "Dad kneels to no man!" (because Dad can't get back up.)
If you're setting up a holo scope to cowitness with iron sights, and you do a lower third cowitness, the dot moves with your eye, right? So that would make the best setup, as far as clutter, for fixed iron sights?
If you're using folding iron sights, then is an absolute cowitness the way to go?
... technically that was a series of questions.
Its really a matter of preference.
Either fixed or folded, I run mine cowitness on all my ARs.
After a while, you dont notice the front post. With a red dot, you shoot with both eyes open, so you should only see the red dot on the target as your vision kind of "dissolves" the distraction of the iron sights or red dot housing. Besides, the irons are there in case my red dot stops working.
The only quirk is I like to keep a bomb proof fixed non-folding front sight, with a folding rear sight.
Reason is that I had a day when my EoHolo went down and my front sight broke under heavy use during training class. I'm slightly paranoid now.
Same here, but for slightly different reasons. Every time I've seen an AR short stroke, it's either been due to an improperly staked gas key, or an improperly installed (always aftermarket, low profile) gas block. Since most uppers I buy come with FS gas blocks, and work great from the factory, I'm reluctant to swap them out.
The only quirk is I like to keep a bomb proof fixed non-folding front sight, with a folding rear sight.
Reason is that I had a day when my EoHolo went down and my front sight broke under heavy use during training class. I'm slightly paranoid now.
Same here, but for slightly different reasons. Every time I've seen an AR short stroke, it's either been due to an improperly staked gas key, or an improperly installed (always aftermarket, low profile) gas block. Since most uppers I buy come with FS gas blocks, and work great from the factory, I'm reluctant to swap them out.
I just installed a carbine length free float on an AR. I mark on the barrel where the port on the barrel is, then line it up when I replace the gasblock. Gasblocks usually have a larger hole to feed off the barrel hole. Havent had a chance to test fire the latest one though. Am picking up a lil Mossberg 100ATR in 243 for my 10yo son after work today, hopefully get some range time before it get dark.
Ive also become a big believer in loctite. I had some stuff shake loose from recoil, so now I loctite sights, front gas block, set screws, red dot screws........ Which rear sight did you get to be on the same plane as the A2 front sight?
The only quirk is I like to keep a bomb proof fixed non-folding front sight, with a folding rear sight.
Reason is that I had a day when my EoHolo went down and my front sight broke under heavy use during training class. I'm slightly paranoid now.
Same here, but for slightly different reasons. Every time I've seen an AR short stroke, it's either been due to an improperly staked gas key, or an improperly installed (always aftermarket, low profile) gas block. Since most uppers I buy come with FS gas blocks, and work great from the factory, I'm reluctant to swap them out.
I just installed a carbine length free float on an AR. I mark on the barrel where the port on the barrel is, then line it up when I replace the gasblock. Gasblocks usually have a larger hole to feed off the barrel hole. Havent had a chance to test fire the latest one though. Am picking up a lil Mossberg 100ATR in 243 for my 10yo son after work today, hopefully get some range time before it get dark.
Ive also become a big believer in loctite. I had some stuff shake loose from recoil, so now I loctite sights, front gas block, set screws, red dot screws........ Which rear sight did you get to be on the same plane as the A2 front sight?
Smart - most DIY'ers don't use Loctite, so it's not that they don't have the ports lined up so much as the parts rattle loose. With the gas key obviously the problem is improper staking, which was a problem for many manufacturers a decade ago...they've probably gotten better at it now.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Fun fact: The IDF nickname for a BUIS is an "oh shi-" ...put a t on the end of that and you've got it.
Basically what you're saying if you ever have to use'em.
Pretty much. They are BUIS for a reason lol. You wouldn't believe how much quicker red dots are in target acquisition than iron sights. Been using red dots in one form or another for almost 20 years. Miss them when shooting pistols.
Spacemanvic wrote: With a red dot, you shoot with both eyes open, so you should only see the red dot on the target as your vision kind of "dissolves" the distraction of the iron sights or red dot housing. Besides, the irons are there in case my red dot stops working.
Do you shoot both eyes open for long range shots too? Just curious. I've always shot with one eye closed (even with a red dot) for pretty much anything over 100 meters. I've shot with both eyes open for closer stuff though.
Spacemanvic wrote: With a red dot, you shoot with both eyes open, so you should only see the red dot on the target as your vision kind of "dissolves" the distraction of the iron sights or red dot housing. Besides, the irons are there in case my red dot stops working.
Do you shoot both eyes open for long range shots too? Just curious. I've always shot with one eye closed (even with a red dot) for pretty much anything over 100 meters. I've shot with both eyes open for closer stuff though.
Spacemanvic wrote: With a red dot, you shoot with both eyes open, so you should only see the red dot on the target as your vision kind of "dissolves" the distraction of the iron sights or red dot housing. Besides, the irons are there in case my red dot stops working.
Do you shoot both eyes open for long range shots too? Just curious. I've always shot with one eye closed (even with a red dot) for pretty much anything over 100 meters. I've shot with both eyes open for closer stuff though.
If Im using a 1-4 power scope, both eyes are open. A 3-9, both eyes open until I acquire the target in the reticle and Im about to shoot (final adjustment). If a red dot, then both eyes open the entire time. Closing one eye I lose peripheral vision (my own paranoia), so I've learned to keep both open until the last second. Took a while getting used to it, trying to teach my children this technique.
Spacemanvic wrote: With a red dot, you shoot with both eyes open, so you should only see the red dot on the target as your vision kind of "dissolves" the distraction of the iron sights or red dot housing. Besides, the irons are there in case my red dot stops working.
Do you shoot both eyes open for long range shots too? Just curious. I've always shot with one eye closed (even with a red dot) for pretty much anything over 100 meters. I've shot with both eyes open for closer stuff though.
Are you cross dominant? i.e., right handed by left eye dominant. That will change the way you shoot rifle for sure.
I'd add that it also depends on the scope too. Certain scopes like Trijicon's ACOGs (but really anything with strong lume) promote both-eyes-open shooting even though they're magnified. They call it the Bindon Aiming Concept but I'm not sure that they invented it. The short story is that fixating on a distant target will promote switches in eye dominance while using the optic because it provides better visual acuity, and a more strongly illuminated reticle helps your brain "switch channels" to the eye used to aim once you've chosen a target on which to fixate.
Spacemanvic wrote: With a red dot, you shoot with both eyes open, so you should only see the red dot on the target as your vision kind of "dissolves" the distraction of the iron sights or red dot housing. Besides, the irons are there in case my red dot stops working.
Do you shoot both eyes open for long range shots too? Just curious. I've always shot with one eye closed (even with a red dot) for pretty much anything over 100 meters. I've shot with both eyes open for closer stuff though.
Are you cross dominant? i.e., right handed by left eye dominant. That will change the way you shoot rifle for sure.
I'd add that it also depends on the scope too. Certain scopes like Trijicon's ACOGs (but really anything with strong lume) promote both-eyes-open shooting even though they're magnified. They call it the Bindon Aiming Concept but I'm not sure that they invented it. The short story is that fixating on a distant target will promote switches in eye dominance while using the optic because it provides better visual acuity, and a more strongly illuminated reticle helps your brain "switch channels" to the eye used to aim once you've chosen a target on which to fixate.
This is the problem I am running into with one of my daughters. Ive tried with some success to have her wear an eye patch on her left eye to learn how to shoot. Pistols, I have her hold both eyes open and just aim with her left eye. Rifles, i want her to learn fundamentals, then learn to shoot with strong side/weak side. I think I may get her to be a strong shooter, just going to take longer for her to get there.
Before I started shooting (a long time ago), I was left eye dominant. I remember this because I used to struggle with it. But nowadays I'm right eye dominant - so go figure, lol.
I find its best to shoot with both eyes open, all the time, every scope.
space man vic,
one trick they did in boy scouts/school for us (lol yeah im that old that I remember shooting with boy scouts and my school class lol)
take an unmagnified scope, cut out a peice of semi opaque plastic (milk jug or something similar works ok) cut it into an "eye patch" shape, but also have a hole on it so you can slip it onto the scope. This leaves you with a eye patch attached to the scope that can go on right or left side if you do it right.
The idea is, she can keep both eyes open, the off eye will have a white background, but still let light through and not strain their eyes. its a lot easier to ignore the whited out eye too.
once they are used to it with no magnification, try it with low magnification.
some kids needed to go cross eyed a bit before too, almost like "stretching" their eyes out.
easysauce wrote: I find its best to shoot with both eyes open, all the time, every scope.
space man vic,
one trick they did in boy scouts/school for us (lol yeah im that old that I remember shooting with boy scouts and my school class lol)
take an unmagnified scope, cut out a peice of semi opaque plastic (milk jug or something similar works ok) cut it into an "eye patch" shape, but also have a hole on it so you can slip it onto the scope. This leaves you with a eye patch attached to the scope that can go on right or left side if you do it right.
The idea is, she can keep both eyes open, the off eye will have a white background, but still let light through and not strain their eyes. its a lot easier to ignore the whited out eye too.
once they are used to it with no magnification, try it with low magnification.
some kids needed to go cross eyed a bit before too, almost like "stretching" their eyes out.
You mean have enough of the "patch" extend off the side of the scope so then when looking down the scope, both eyes are open but the off eye is behind the extended shade? What about with iron sights (open sites)? I always try to start them with iron sights (makes them less reliant on optics).
Irons are a great way to train, its harder though, kinda like learning guitar on acoustic vs electric.
with new shooters/kids I find they can be overwhelmed fairly easily, so usually how to hold/fire the gun + safety are all I worry about at first, the scope kind of sets the kids up for success, I make sure they shoot from rest with a good support for the rifle, even though its a 22. yeah im making it easy for them, but I find they actually get fewer bad habits when I teach things sort of "one at a time". Kids who get bulleyes at 10 ft are still happy and proud of it, and tend to pick up interest as well.
Odds are if people were trained on a 22lr, that was properly set up to have no recoil, they dont develop flinches as much as that first reaction people have while shooting tends to echo throughout.
IE get them used to easy mode, with scope, eye patch, a rest, just have them focus solely on trigger control and breathing which are IMO the most important after safety. This shows them just how much something like a bad trigger pull, or breath can affect your shot.
Then add things in logical progressive steps, change positions, rest setup, in crease the distance, change the scope/irons ect.
Odd...didn't know they needed one. I know that there are AR lowers that don't mention a specific caliber, though they usually say "multicaliber" or something like that.
I own a shotgun. The purpose of the shotgun is to shoot harmful intruders with a wide swath of pellets, so that I can stop the intruder, even though my aim is pretty bad.
I also own a rifle. Its for killing deer for food, in case I ever need food and have no money to buy it.
Yeah, I don't know if its a good precision rifle by any means. I've used it to shoot at targets only wiht mixed results. I've been on hunting trips, but never actually shot at anything.
Absolutely. A typical 30-06 round is packing about 4,000 Joules of energy at its peak. As long as your shot placement is good (shot placement is always king above anything and everything else), a 30-06 will put down a bear, and is a commonly used bear hunting cartridge.
Vaktathi wrote: Absolutely. A typical 30-06 round is packing about 4,000 Joules of energy at its peak. As long as your shot placement is good (shot placement is always king above anything and everything else), a 30-06 will put down a bear, and is a commonly used bear hunting cartridge.
I like the ubiquity of the 30-06 myself. It's been used to hunt everything including the African Big 5 (regardless that most will recommend a bigger round).
On a separate note, if you wanted something beefier (but shorter ranged), I like a lever .45-70 myself.
I didn't know that was a requirement, but it makes sense.
Yep, all barrels, even for custom rifles need to be plainly and clearly stamped with the caliber they're set for.
It's a safety/liability thing.
As far as the .30-06 goes, I love that rifle round. You can literally do anything with it. Soon as I get the space and spare cash for reloading supplies I'm going to perfect a long range load for 1000 yard + shots with Sierra Matchkings, because I'm having two custom rifles barreled gratis by a friend of mine, and one of them is going to be purpose built for smacking steel plates very far away.
