Forar wrote: I just hope we blow through the next 125k lineup, because other than maybe snagging some Armoured Battloids I'm not really feeling this one.
I think this is their version of the larger gaps you see at higher pledge totals in most kickstarters. Instead of increasing goals to 100k they're apparently still adding paid goals and just increasing the free ones. I expected a bigger gap but not necessarily a jump from 25k to 50k to at least 100k.
edit: Interesting... they got rid of the MSRPs from the front page. I guess they didn't like the commentary about the KS discount not being as big as expected.
edit#2: they seem to have backtracked on the decals we're getting AFTER the goal was unlocked. From update #59: "The decal sheets will be 3" x 5" and the box set will include 2x sheets for each faction. They will also available as an optional purchase add-on for $5 for 3 sheets." The front page now lists the decals as only 2 for $5 and only 1x sheets for each faction in the box set. Something smells a bit fishy and its not just the space tuna objective marker.
So I moved up from Battlecry to showdown. The amount of stuff is ridiculously awesome at that level. You can field 8 full units and 4 support units plus the 2 characters at that level for the Zentraedi. UEDF is right there to with 8 units and 1 support plus the 2 characters and if characters work like I think they do then that buys the UEDF a 9th Unit and the Zentraedi a 9th unit as well. The Zentraedi have a lot more variety to the units however. 5 UEDF units are Valkyries (as it should be), the other 4 are from the various combinations of Destroids. The Zentraedi can really mix and match how they build between recon and attrition and attack squads plus with the MPA, the Gnerls and the Regult Artillery pods and recon pods allows for a lot more variety. I'm wondering if I want to go to 500$ in my pledge what would be the best way to go. I could get 1 of everything that's currently available. I'm currently leaning toward going with one unit of the Super VT's (2 sets), a MKII and one unit of the FPA. and that will leave me with 100 dollars to play with for armored vt's, VEF-1's or whatever else comes out. Maybe the bag if the info on them is good whenever it arrives.
Swabby wrote:Finding out that they don't have permission to add Brettai as a character is also an interesting development.
Sheep wrote:Same as they don't have the rights to the catseye.
Where did you guys see this?
If true, while I would never condone piracy, if someone were to make a 42mm one-eye alien commander in greatcoat (a completely original creation) it just might sell.
Automatically Appended Next Post: wait a sec... they have the rights to Minmei and a giant tuna but not Breetai?
Kid_Kyoto someone emailed ninja division and posted the reply about Breetai in the comments for the kickstarter.
I am under the impression they have to ask permission (if it is Palladium or Harmony Gold is up in the air) for each figure they want to make, and for whatever reason they were denied on Breetai.
Kevin Sembieda said in an interview last night that space combat rules will not be in the initial release, which I also find odd.
Interestingly enough ND also asked a user who was pimping the Palladium RPG to stop posting about it in the comments. Weird stuff.
He wasn't just posting but rather spamming the same relatively long post over and over dozens of times for weeks. I didn't comment about it there but it was definitely annoying. He should have posted the link with a simple individualized post instead of copy/pasting the same multiple paragraphs constantly.
As for Breetai, I am really surprised about that. Maybe something to do with the character license and voice actors? I don't know if they'd have to pay the actor more if they did an individual figure (as opposed to a small part of the cockpit in a larger mech model) but that sounds like something a Hollywood actors union would have fought for.
I can see them asking him to stop if he was being annoying about it.
Even weirder news about Breetai, he will have a character card in the game. It seems to me if they have the rights to make him a character in the game they should be able to make a miniature for him as well...
Maybe they just don't want to make a unique mold for a single slightly larger than normal (at this scale) Zentraedi infantry figure? All of the other LE figures have been large models (2 Veritechs, an Officer's Pod and a FPA), but unless they did a whole slew of them (Khyron/Azonia/Miriya/Breetai/etc), perhaps it's just not worth the molding costs? Hell, the infantry box has 12 figures, perhaps it's just not economical.
Though they did specifically say that they weren't given permission, so who knows, maybe it is something to do with behind the scenes royalties/actor stuff or whatever.
Also, I'll admit it, I find the constant comment spam annoying. Between the people who feel the need to re-post Palladium Newsletters 1-3 times per day, the people re-listing the entire wall of stretch goals, the people making up their own walls of fantasy goals, and whatnot it's... I dunno, cluttered.
I recognize that a solid sense of community is an advantage, and for the most part everyone is pretty civil, but seeing 150 new comments and 140 of them are just random bull means the only way to find actual info is to stalk ND's comments themselves, which often lack context so you have to go hunting for them anyway.
Oh, not to mention guys like baphomet unrelentingly begging for things.
... why yes, I do have some kids on my lawn I should go yell at, why do you ask?
Careful Forar... I've seen you posting on the Palladium boards and they're already circling the wagons around Jorel both there and in the comments of the KS. You may risk the collective wrath of the fanboy mindset that is prevalent there. It's that inability to process criticism that has left us with the Palladium RPG rules that we have today... which are generally the same as the ones we had 25 years ago sadly.
Eh, nothing they can throw at me I haven't seen before.
I used to be a staunch regular on one of their old (OOOLLLLDD) forums, but my account seems to have been eaten during one of the transitions. We (my crew and I) spent a good half a decade around the high school and later years on Rifts and mixes with the other genres/settings, but grew tired of some of the shenanigans we found inherent to the system (and all the house rules we needed to fix or streamline them), so we moved onto D&D 3E and later 4E for our gaming fixes (which became harder to pull off as people moved around the province anyway).
Basically, I'm a fan of their settings but their rulesets and I don't always see eye to eye, and blind, rabid fanboyism is something I have naught but disdain for. I don't know when the internet lost its ability to distinguish between unreasonable negativity and constructive criticism, but it's been annoying ever since. I can love a game, company or whatever and still see things that I'd like changed, or feel could be done better.
But nope, disagree in the slightest and suddenly it's all "man, haters gonna hate".
Your experience pretty much mirrors mine. Started with Robotech/Rifts in freshman year of high school and it got me into tabletop gaming. I stuck with them exclusively until I went to gen con the first time and realized that rules didn't have to feel cobbled together and could mechanically make sense. I went from buying every book for most of their lines over the next 10 years to stopping completely when robotech came out (as it was the second time they sold me the same rules as a "new" edition.. the first being RUE). I still love the setting but I haven't bought or played the game for years because of the rules and the inability of fans and the creators to understand the need for change despite the company's fall from grace over the past 10 years (above and beyond their overly dramatic "Crisis of Treachery").
That's actually been my biggest issue with supporting the KS but the interest I have in robotech superceded my dislike of palladium rules. Luckily, except for the bolted on close combat options that feel completely out of place, the rules seem to be more original that I initially expected despite their derivation from the RPG.
I'm a Robotech fanboy but I can't stand most of the commentors on the KS. Especially because of how loud and vocal and outright wrong some of them are.
I wish I was joking about the name but that is actually the name it's referred to in official press releases by the owner for years. A trusted long time employee was apparently selling cases of books on the side and keeping the money. Whole pallets of printed books were missing and the company came close to running out of funds until they held a donation drive from fans that saved them. They also posted passionate pleas for the fans to not hunt down and hurt the perpetrator of this treachery that is still (as of a few months ago when I last noticed) stickied to the top of the forum.
Yeah, those forums are in need of a moderator with hip waders and pruning sheers. There are notices of giant book/swag sales that ended years ago. Maybe not pruned entirely, but archived somewhere that can be found if one wants to look back, but there's a ton of stuff (good, bad and ugly) just laying around.
Their forums are also an odd mix. I mean, I'm no stranger to the aforementioned blind fanboys/fangirls, but some on the PB boards take it to a weird level, where anything but overwhelming positivity is met with attack dog ferocity.
Sometimes I kind of miss having an entire bookshelf as many of them were fun reads (at one point I owned everything Rifts, all the Rifters and a pile of other stuff from their lines), but after a half dozen moves, lack of use and a desire to pay off some bills, I occasionally look at the last three dozen tucked away and ponder trying to ebay a chunk off like I did a decade ago.
Sometimes I kind of miss having an entire bookshelf as many of them were fun reads (at one point I owned everything Rifts, all the Rifters and a pile of other stuff from their lines), but after a half dozen moves, lack of use and a desire to pay off some bills, I occasionally look at the last three dozen tucked away and ponder trying to ebay a chunk off like I did a decade ago.
Ehhhhhh. I enjoy the setting and some of the simply bat...grak..feth...whatever vulgarity substitute would be appropriate around here... shenanigans that you can dream up.
The failings of the game system don't entirely eclipse that for me, and even if I do move a good chunk of those, there are a good dozen or so I'll probably never get rid of, due to sentimental value (gifts, associations with characters I enjoyed playing, etc).
I've always kind of wanted to port the setting over to a system that I enjoyed more mechanically, but I think that'll remain a pipe dream for the foreseeable future.
Forar wrote: Yeah, those forums are in need of a moderator with hip waders and pruning sheers. .
Sometimes when a Dakka Mod can no long police the streets of his forum he chooses to go out into the wilderness to bring law to the lawless. This is known as the The Long Walk.
Sometimes when a Dakka Mod can no long police the streets of his forum he chooses to go out into the wilderness to bring law to the lawless. This is known as the The Long Walk.
So they just hang out in off topic? That would explain Frazzled...
I still get the newsletter, but it reads the same every week.
We are working really on hard on some stuff that will blow you away when you see it.
So and so isn't feeling great, but we are working through it.
I haven't had as much time on (insert product that should have been shipped weeks ago), but I'm going to buckle down this week to get it done! (rinse and repeat for about two-four months).
Thank you to our fans, you are the greatest. Please tell your friends.
Nothing terrible, but there is a sense that the promise always outweighs the accomplishments. But then I think Rifts peaked with Book 6's cover of an "Anti-Monster" by Brom. Re-reading the core Robotech books (the old ones) reminds me that the books were mostly rules and tables. Not much flavor. I seem to recall the Rifts ones being better for texture and background.
Still, I loved Robotech, so I am down for this. I hope we reach 950k to get some free Super(s).
My only fear now is playing the game once and never finding opponents ever again.
This! This is my biggest concern with this game. I guess we are going to have to wait and see, but I just don't see it having the staying power or interest pull to become a staple at many game stores. Hell, I barely have any hope of ever even finding an opponent at all.
This! This is my biggest concern with this game. I guess we are going to have to wait and see, but I just don't see it having the staying power or interest pull to become a staple at many game stores. Hell, I barely have any hope of ever even finding an opponent at all.
Thirded - that's the biggest concern that's preventing me from picking up a Battle Cry package. My friends have horrible gamer ADD, so basically I'd be buying the box for display pieces.
Really sexy display pieces, but display pieces all the same.
My only fear now is playing the game once and never finding opponents ever again.
This! This is my biggest concern with this game. I guess we are going to have to wait and see, but I just don't see it having the staying power or interest pull to become a staple at many game stores. Hell, I barely have any hope of ever even finding an opponent at all.
Same here which is why I tried to get an early start and brought some robotech stuff with me to the local store during my last trip to see if there was existing interest and to drum up some more. From the sound of it (insert disclaimer about rules and squadrons being preliminary here), the battlecry freebie pledge will give you more than enough to play both sides of the skirmish scale version of the game with lots of variety in models and even a standard sized wargame one as well for both sides.
IceRaptor wrote:
Thirded - that's the biggest concern that's preventing me from picking up a Battle Cry package. My friends have horrible gamer ADD, so basically I'd be buying the box for display pieces.
Really sexy display pieces, but display pieces all the same.
There's always ebay. As it stands right now, the figs average out in the battlecry pledge to less than $1.80 each (counting the veritech models separately of course). Even if you sold off unwanted stuff at $2, you'd be giving buyers a substantial savings on the non-core box figs and be likely to sell them really quickly at no loss. If anything, see if you can find one friend to split the pledge as you do end up with enough for two medium sized wargame armies for $140. I'm there with you in looking for players. I can only afford to sport one anime robot game that I can't find local players and that slot is already taken.
Forar wrote: Maybe they just don't want to make a unique mold for a single slightly larger than normal (at this scale) Zentraedi infantry figure? All of the other LE figures have been large models (2 Veritechs, an Officer's Pod and a FPA), but unless they did a whole slew of them (Khyron/Azonia/Miriya/Breetai/etc), perhaps it's just not worth the molding costs? Hell, the infantry box has 12 figures, perhaps it's just not economical.
Good point but if they're willing to do some resin like with the objectives then a one-off mold for Breetai, Exodore or whomever would be easy.
Maybe I should write chapterhouse about my idea for a one-eyed alien commander in a great coat.
I really don't understand the process in which some games become game-store standards and others don't. Flames of War is omnipresent but I've never actually seen anyone playing it... Uncharted Seas had a very brief appearance but disappeared eventually. Infinity is great, but struggling... but 40k night? More players than tables. Oh well, at least I can look forward to the annual Robotech tournament.
I'm lucky in that I have 4-5 friends all interested, so as long as I'm willing to haul my collection around, I should be able to find an opponent now and then.
Between 3 of us we're getting a Reckless and ~$300 in add ons (what can I say, Mac II's and FPA are popular with my people...), so if the right people are present we should be able to field literally 150-200+ figures on a board at once should we so desire.
As someone who's only miniatures experience is with 28mm skirmish games of Malifaux over the last year and a half, this is both intriguing and terrifying.
It's not too bad. The worst thing (assuming you care about it) is getting them painted. I'm a bit thankful in that sense that I'm in at battlecry + add ons as it limits the figs I'll need to paint (although I'm keeping both sides so I'll have to do two armies).
TalonZahn wrote: Now that the 1R head is on the sprue, and the +1 Super to BC is coming....
I might have to reconsider going to Reckless as it would replace a couple of the add-ons I wanted.
Have to crunch numbers of my wants over the weekend.
Showdown is quite nice as well. Except for the super valkyries, you end up with legal squads of every mech included at that level. Just add a three pack of FPA and a super valk 2 pack and you're good (except for the unlocks in the last two days of course but reckless doesn't help you with those either).
warboss wrote: Showdown is quite nice as well. Except for the super valkyries, you end up with legal squads of every mech included at that level. Just add a three pack of FPA and a super valk 2 pack and you're good (except for the unlocks in the last two days of course but reckless doesn't help you with those either).
Yea, I'm at Showdown + whatever already.
I must have all the toys, so I will get each add-on in the amount to create 1 "legal" unit at least.
However, Reckless is now calling my name and I'm not sure I can resist the call.
People get a little weird about the specific variants... and the primary difference between them (aside from one that's a 2-seater, and another that has ECM tech) are the number of lasers on the head. To the best of my recollection, that's about it.
It's kind of a ranking thing, more lasers is generally better, even though they're at best a tool and weapon of last resort compared to the primary gear (GU-11 gunpod and missiles).
It's going to be interesting to see where this winds up. If you look at the pledges per day over the last few days it's started into an exponential growth phase. It's actually very similar to the numbers seen with Zombicide and Sedition Wars, and if it follows those trends the next few days should be approaching and surpassing $100,000 a day.
It probably depends on how much more they add onto the base Battle Cry pledge. Personally I'm teetering on upping to showdown. A few more freebies and my will is sapped.
TalonZahn wrote:
Yea, I'm at Showdown + whatever already.
I must have all the toys, so I will get each add-on in the amount to create 1 "legal" unit at least.
However, Reckless is now calling my name and I'm not sure I can resist the call.
No complaints here. It's technically in *my* best interest if *you* go reckless.
Nicorex wrote:I was a fan of the show but I have never played the RPG, nor have I read all the tech stuff. So what is so special about the VF-1R heads?
It's got laser and an autocannon and some sort of autotargetting to use them. In the rpg, it's also got some better bonuses/stats and more MDC/hull. It's supposed to be basically the veritech version of the "super tomcat" or "super hornet".
Splitting a Showdown with a friend, but I'm wondering what to add on. Almost tempted to just take the Showdown for myself and add a Battle Cry for my friend, however some of the paid add ons do look tasty.
VF-1A: standard model. Single head laser. Used un the show by all the Grunts that you see exploding in the backround.
VF-1J: Officers mech, Two head lasers, one each side. Used in the show by Rick Hunter.
VF-1S: Commanders mech. Four head lasers, two on each side. Used in the show as Skull One, Roy Fokker's plane.
VF-1D: Training variant. Two seats, two lenses on the "face". Seen in the show flown by Rick in the battle of Macross City. In the extended background also used as a two seat Wild Weasel AA suppressor with a backseat WSO.
VEF-1: Electronic Warfare/AWACS variant. Giant radar dish on the back. Seen briefly in the series as a background item and in the Macross movie Do you Remember Love.
VF-1R: Upgraded "late war" variant. Two head lasers and head mounted autocannon. Seen a couple times late in the series.
"Super" Veritech: Any one of the above models with a FAAST pack added that gives it extra armor, more missiles, and large boosters for more speed while remaining fully transformable.
"Armored" Veritech: Any of the above models with an armor upgrade giving it more damage and more missiles, but limiting it to Battloid mode only. The armor can be jettisoned to go to fighter or guardian mode.
Hope that helps some of those going "huh" over some of the discussions.
VF-1R: Upgraded "late war" variant. Two head lasers and head mounted autocannon. Seen a couple times late in the series.
I thought the VF-1R was basically a Palladium 'invention' based upon an animation mistake from a very limited scene late in the series? I don't remember it having a Macross counterpart.
Darn people got my money.
Was of an impressionable age when Robotech came out.
I hope Palladium does not suffer with their incredibly late shipping problems they are known for in the past. I am hoping that since Ninja Division is responsible for the models it is out of their hands.
875K goal met. Armored Valks upgraded to 4 pack. $1M goal announced. 3 FPA in each BattleCry and above. That follows the 950K goal of a free super for BC+. That means at showdown you'll get 2 supers and 6 FPA. Come on people it doesn't get much better than this!
It was also in the Battlecry video game as well. For better or worse, it's a part of the official lineup now.
Great goal for *pinky finger to mouth* ONE MILLION DOLLARS! Looks like battlecry pledgers get a free set of female power armor. This is definitely one that I was hoping for. Combined with the Miriya special character, battlecry pledgers will get 4 FPAs. I'm thinking the UEDF need some elite love after that as the zentraedi seem to be getting all the best toys.
@ alpha: I thought you went in on this a few weeks back?
@cyp: Lancers, Zentraedi Infantry, and Glaug booster pack as well... basically the newly unlocked stuff isn't included. It seems like they're moving along the older unlocks for freebie ideas (and I'm completely fine with that).
warboss wrote: @ alpha: I thought you went in on this a few weeks back?
Too many Kickstarters, something had to get cut...
It's ok... I forgive you. You can always come back if you change your mind if the history of letting new people in with the pledge managers after the kickstarter continues. If anything, the battlecry pledge is turning out to be the best choice for variety at a low cost. It seems like all the stuff in that pledge can be used as is for upgrades for the core set units in the wargame and by themselves in the skirmish game variant.
Unix wrote: It probably depends on how much more they add onto the base Battle Cry pledge. Personally I'm teetering on upping to showdown. A few more freebies and my will is sapped.
Yeah, FPA is changing up my math something fierce.
Was set and happy at BC + a pack of Gnerls (round out the squad of 6), a MAC II and a pack of Super VTs (seems to be a popular rounding out, from some other forums I visit). Maybe a quartet of Armoured Battloids.
Now... I dunno. All that for $250, or bump up to $280 (add an extra BC to my current share of my group's Reckless), $20 for Armoured, $40 for a MAC and for $340 I basically get the above minus one Super VT (2 instead of 3) and a HUGE PILE of extras. Hell, depending on the secondary market for the LE figures and/or a base game seperated out from what I bring in, I could feasibly make that much back and more... or get stuck holding the whole thing (not the worst thing in the world either).
And $35 to round out a full squadron of Super VTs... $375 might be a bit more than I should be throwing at this thing.
Back to ebay/Kijiji, time to move more old stuff it seems!
Edit: on the other hand, finding storage and transportation for 150+ figures won't be easy either. Almost wish I had another friend just interested in the Zentraedi forces, so I could split a Showdown with 'em and just load up on RDF forces.
Alpharius wrote: It is a great deal for fans of the show though, so I'm definitely happy for all of you!
Not just Robotech fans, but old-school BattleTech players, too. Many of the original BattleTech "unseen" 'Mechs were taken directly from the Robotech/Macross mecha. If you want one of the old Rifleman, Warhammer, Marauder, Phoenix Hawk, Phoenix Hawk LAM, Archer, etc. BattkeMechs you can get them from the Robotech miniatures line.
I'm terribly excited about this KS and foolishly or not I've pretty much dedicated my gaming budget for the rest of the year towards it.
Tell me about it. Right now there's a certain person doing a very good chicken little impression about poor rules design. Really? What we have rules wise now was probably scribbled on a napkin over lunch. How he's managed to jump to that conclusion is beyond me.
The video was kinda interesting. Just hope they clarify where on each mecha it's centre is, for the terminally dense TFG's we all love and admire.
Yeah, that guy's special. Apparently it's a rename of a backer who flamed out hardcore one night, took his ball and went home (and then slinked back in and can't help but brag about his $2k backing or whatever it is).
One person proposed a possible rule adjustment and he lost his little mind.
Now they're reveling in all their guns or something. It's getting kind of embarrassing as a bunch of people seem to be trying to 'out-Texan' one another.
Seriously. one ignore function and my enjoyment of KS's would probably double. It's easy to say "oh, just ignore them", but the annoying ones have a habit of posting like 50 times each per day. This comment section is nearing 37,000, and I'll bet you could cut that in half for browsing through or better by ignoring like 5 or 10 of the regulars.
I don't think the newly released "center" of model LOS will go over very well. They'll have to define it exactly on a picture both head on and profile as well as clarify what happens with normal modeling (like when using the flight bases they're providing). Also, completely blocked LOS denying shots for a Battlepod with a 1/3 of it's volume sticking above cover (using their examples on the white board) is a very bad idea and completely counter intuitive. I fear the influence of Palladium in this newest set of bad and unclear rules, much like with the pointless and cumbersome 5 close combat options on a Valkyrie.
I have to admit, blocked LOS doesn't phase me all that much. I personally prefer that concept as compared to being able to waste something because you can see his forearm sticking out.
Surely there could be some kind of mid point? In my primary game there's just a penalty for trying to hit something with cover and a potential damage reduction effect.
Just make it so if you have 1/2 or more cover the enemy's target number is 1 higher than it'd be otherwise, and damage is reduced by 1 or 2 or something. Enough to reward good cover usage (needing 2 shots from a GU-11 to kill a battlepod instead of 1 would be HUGE), not so much that it becomes "Gears of Hiding Behind Chest High Walls: The Miniatures Game".
They have that in the video. The issue is that if the "center" of a model (like the eye port on the battlepod) is blocked by anything, you don't ANY line of sight and can't shoot at all. In my pic above, despite having a 1/3 of the pod completely visible, the eye and below are blocked so you can't "see" the model to shoot at it.
warboss wrote: They have that in the video. The issue is that if the "center" of a model (like the eye port on the battlepod) is blocked by anything, you don't ANY line of sight and can't shoot at all. In my pic above, despite having a 1/3 of the pod completely visible, the eye and below are blocked so you can't "see" the model to shoot at it.
So you're saying I can hide all my pods behind streetlights?
I'll let you come up with the graphic on that one. I don't have the chance to watch the video again so I can't recall if its the eye and below or just the eye that completely blocks LOS. Either way, it's not a good mechanic.
edit: That didn't take long in the comments. There are already suggestions of "just house rule it!" in the typical palladium rpg fan fashion of hand waving away potential and/or real mechanics issues instead of actually fixing the mechanic. That works, right? That's why palladium RPGs are revered top sellers, right?
Malifaux makes no such distinction. It uses the whole base as a target, and if part is obstructed by the right terrain (say, a building) it has cover. You can still hit it, it's just harder to lay into said figure. Doesn't matter if only one leg and an arm are showing and it has its head buried in the latest Robotechnology Almanac.
Like, good if they include cover of sorts, but I really don't want to have to call other friends over to have them eyeball whether or not a VT's head is properly hidden behind a treebranch or not.
I should probably just watch the video when I get home. Just responding to how people are describing it for now. But basically if actual modeling becomes an issue, I forsee a lot of very short bases in people's futures.
With the rate we're going, it wouldn't surprise me if we hit 1m tomorrow (maybe late in the day EST, an hour or two after the emails go out), Sunday at the latest most likely, which means I really need to weigh out that extra BC over my current add on plans.
Basically, if I'm willing to skip the MAC II and wait for retail, it'd be a simply staggering number of minis.
Just out of curiousity, does anyone know how many points the FPA occupies in a standard army? Thinking of just playing with a full army of FPA and curious how many that would require.
We know that the Skirmish game uses Support Cards in the place of Core cards (basically halves the number of figures you field at once), and in the comments one of the ND folks said that, in their experience, once the players knew what was going on, a 300 point game could be played in about an hour, but that they personally preferred larger, epic scale games around 600 points.
It looks like a Battle Cry could cover 300 easily, but would need add ons and to field almost everything they owned to do 600'ish. A Showdown would have immense variety/versatility available, and any add ons just sweeten things for them. Edit: we also know that squads can buy upgrades that apply across the units within, which will probably further muck with any math done now.
Of course, that also assumes A) that the points will at least stay vaguely where they are now, and 2) that these numbers are remotely similar to the release numbers. Who knows, maybe in the end it'll be 400 standard, or 500, with epic games at 1000, or drop 'em lower and try to keep things truly fast paced. And obviously a group can tweak that as they see fit, up or down to meet their individual needs/time constraints/etc.
But I admit, it's another aspect weighing on me as I ponder that Showdown of my own. They tuck in a few of the right add ons over the next couple hundred thousand and I'd be hard pressed not to make the upgrade, but for now it remains a tough call.
Its got a few tray inserts that look like SM sized holders so 36ish per foam rack (goig from memory not looking at the picture so I am likely off by a row or so)
Alpharius wrote: All you Robotech fans here on Dakka sure don't do too well in keeping this thread updated in terms of pictures!
That was your niche before you abandoned us and Minmei! And for the record, the OP is always updated within an hour or two with the correct next stretch goal(s).
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Evil_Toast wrote: That's pg1 AKA warboss's domain! The rest of us are here to make the place look good.
Page 1 is current but adding the pics to the tail active end of the thread is something anyone can do while they're looking pretty.
Then that would lead to my biggest hate in the world of forum use: quote pyramids filled with pictures THAT GET REPEATED FOR PAGE AFTER PAGE! So, it's a health related issue...
Anyway, I'm having some trouble deciding on how to best spend my money on add ons.
So BC+shipping =$170.
Right now, want to add a squad of Gnerls and MPA to make complete squads. Then a Lancer pack and Armored Destroid pack and a decal sheet for RDF. Sadly the lone Super Valk is going to be display only, can't stump up another $70 to get 5 in total. Anyone care to add any input?
Evil_Toast wrote: Then that would lead to my biggest hate in the world of forum use: quote pyramids filled with pictures THAT GET REPEATED FOR PAGE AFTER PAGE! So, it's a health related issue...
Anyway, I'm having some trouble deciding on how to best spend my money on add ons.
So BC+shipping =$170.
Right now, want to add a squad of Gnerls and MPA to make complete squads. Then a Lancer pack and Armored Destroid pack and a decal sheet for RDF. Sadly the lone Super Valk is going to be display only, can't stump up another $70 to get 5 in total. Anyone care to add any input?
Just that you don't need 5 total for a squad... they start at 3 so you'd only need one more @ $35 for a super squad. Also, you can actually upgrade a single veritech to super as well so the one you have already doesn't have to be display only. I've currently only got one via battlecry and I plan on using it in games.
Anyway, I'm having some trouble deciding on how to best spend my money on add ons.
So BC+shipping =$170.
Right now, want to add a squad of Gnerls and MPA to make complete squads. Then a Lancer pack and Armored Destroid pack and a decal sheet for RDF. Sadly the lone Super Valk is going to be display only, can't stump up another $70 to get 5 in total. Anyone care to add any input?
You might want to look at the viability of bumping up to the Showdown level. I was originally planning on the BC pledge plus add-ons, but I realized that if I upgraded to Showdown, I could get everything I was planning to buy, plus more Valks and Battlepods, for less money. Admittedly, my original shopping list was topping out at over $400 so YMMV.
It seems awfully high with so little time left, but I'm hoping it still makes it.
If we didn't rise at all in the next 3 days in daily pledges, we'd still make it. I suspect we'll be getting alot higher than that in the end. I hope that the last 24 hours will be a multi-100k wild ride. I'm sure we'll get a few mediocre goals in between like 3 ghosts in a pack after they unlock but I'm excited to see what else pops up (especially freebies of course!). I'm personally hoping for a VEF/VT-D double pack and another super valkyrie added as battlecry freebies.
Just that you don't need 5 total for a squad... they start at 3 so you'd only need one more @ $35 for a super squad. Also, you can actually upgrade a single veritech to super as well so the one you have already doesn't have to be display only. I've currently only got one via battlecry and I plan on using it in games.
Having said that, from my understanding, a Support squad can only be fielded in the Skirmish rules as a stand alone unit, but in a large "normal" game you need to add them to a corresponding Core squad? Otherwise I could add say, 2 Lancers to my Core Armoured Valkyrie squad and that looks a tad silly.
The special I could see be able to add it to a Valkyrie (all flavours) Core now that you bring it up.
That's not to bad then. Still can't justify buying 2 boxes though. Then again there's always E-Bay...
@mdauben. I would love to upgrade to Showdown, but the $50 shipping kills it for me, seeing as I'm on my own in this endeavor. Plus all those models will probably cause my painting hand to fall off.
[Edit] In the immortal words of Prof Farnsworth, Sweet zombie Jesus, check out the new $5000 pledges!
â—¾1x Robotech RPG Tactics Boxed Game
â—¾10x UEDF Decal Sheets
â—¾1x Rick Hunter Valkyrie
â—¾1x Roy Fokker Valkyrie
â—¾264x Veritech Valkyries that can be built in Fighter, Guardian, or Battloid modes.
â—¾60x VEF-1 Valkyries that can be built in Fighter, Guardian, or Battloid modes.
â—¾12x VF-1D Valkyries that can be built in Fighter, Guardian, or Battloid modes.
â—¾120x QF-3000 Ghost Drone Fighters
â—¾60x SF-3A Lancer II
â—¾66x Tomahawks
â—¾66x Spartans
â—¾60x Defenders
â—¾60x Phalanxes
â—¾12x Monsters
â—¾12x Super Valkyries that can be built in Fighter, Guardian, or Battloid modes.
â—¾12x Armored Battloids
Has anyone else seen the new $5k pledges. . . I WISH!!!!! I could get that. . . .I mean 264 Valks. . . WOW!!! Talk about painting for the next year or so. . . maybe 3. . .
My original point was that you don't need to actually get 2 add ons but rather that one plus the freebie gets you a full super Valkyrie skirmish squad as well as allows you to upgrade a Valkyrie in every veritech squadron in battlecry. That said, you are correct in that they'll be available on ebay as well for only $5 more as the super is one of the "worst" discounts in the KS. I'm personally planning on buying a box of them (among other things) at the local store to encourage them to carry the line.
Looks like the "buy a space marine chapter" option got added to the kickstarter. You can buy the full mecha loadouts of the SDF-1 or a Zentraedi destroyer for $5,000. I don't have the RPG book with me at the moment but the stats on the SDF-1 do look like the ones they had in the RPG last I looked.
Evil_Toast wrote: warboss, your certainly twisting my rubber arm. I may pick up a box.
The amount of models in that mega pledge is staggering, thinking there's a niche for an intrepid E-Bayer available...
LOL, glad I could help. As for the mega pledge, I do find it a bit odd that they include only one core box. You'd think that for $5,000, they'd include more than one set of the rules, dice, and templates.
Anyone who isn't tempted off the fence once we break that million for a free Super VT and a trio of FPA at BC+ is crazy.
And I'd be sincerely surprised if there wasn't more added to it by the end.
Definitely curious to see what 1.075 is. Maybe a Ghost upgrade to a full squad of 3? Not super exciting, but at that point 1.1 and beyond can be unrelenting awesome, with pretty much all the bases covered.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were more goals that rounded out the number on a lot of units, both in the BC box and add ons. Bumped up Artillery to a full squad of 6, add another Super VT (2 in the box makes that 2 pack add on all the more tempting), etc.
While I do think they'll upgrade the ghost eventually, I don't think it'll be right after they introduce it. I suspect it'll likely be at the same gap as they had between unlocking and bumping the lancer II (200k?).
And everyone BC and up just got a free Super Valkyrie.
Out of curiosity, why am I seeing only 96 Boobytraps total? Dead sure it was 100 like Blitzkrieg. Says 100 again. Weird.
And Command tokens unlocked at 1,075 mil. Just like the decals, shouldn't this have been an earlier unlock? Not complaining, their useful and all but I find it bizarre that I got Miriya before this.
Have noticed they free up quite often, but it said 1/96 available and now its 7/100 available. Meh, probably something similar to not displaying the prices that happened earlier.
Sadly, instead of studying for my exam Monday, I'm watching the Blitzkrieg counter like a hawk...
Evil_Toast wrote: And everyone BC and up just got a free Super Valkyrie.
And Command tokens unlocked at 1,075 mil. Just like the decals, shouldn't this have been an earlier unlock? Not complaining, their useful and all but I find it bizarre that I got Miriya before this.
Although I do agree that this is one of those "BS" goals.... it really just comes down to filling out the boxed sets with some "nicities" that may have killed momentum earlier on. These goals at this time are practically a given. This might have been scheduled earlier, but the backlash from the dice was pretty harsh. I mean, we've seen the dice and token in the pictures and videos, so we knew they were coming anyway. I'd rather see them here, where 25k is pennies in the pot at a million dollars, than where 25k was 50% of the KS total at the time.
[Edit] Oh yea, forgot to mention that the Reminder EMails go out in 7 hours also. That should start the 48 hours of backers pouring in as with the majority of Kickstarters.
I don't think the 5k pledges are there for people who want to spent the rest of their natural lives painting battlepods, their' probably there for retailers who want to stock the game.
And the 1.1 million goal is another Super Valkyrie for Battle Cry and up! Sweet!
Indeed we did! Mwuhah... Mwuahaha... Mwuahhahahaha!... Mwuhahha... Mwuhah... hah... ahem.
And apparently we know know we're getting experimental mechs that they added as a disclaimer in the $5,000 pledges. I recognize the UEDF ones as the orguss and vf-4 but I'm not sure about the zentraedi ones.
I don't think the Orgus type can go in. The design's single appearance is an in-joke. It is actually from an anime for which HG do not have distribution or production rights. AFAIK, anyway.
The orguss was in one scene during the final battle for earth. The zentraedi mecha look like made up power armor variants though. The left one looks like FPA with a rifle whereas the right looks like mpa with maybe battle pod particle barrels on its shoulder instead of the glaug type single big gun.
Looks like we've got Ghosts on the menu and the next unlock is doubled lancers and the next previewed unlock is coincidentally the doubling of the ghost pack to 4x per add on.
Well, it's looking like I've got my pledge all wrapped up. $205, Battlecry + Armored Battleoids + 3 more Gnerls + VEF-1/VF-1Ds
The only thing I'm waiting on now is the massive rush with stretch goals falling to the way-side. If anything I've added gets put into Battlecry, I'll probably snag a 4-pack of Ghosts. If not, I'm crazy happy with what's there
Not sure if this has been covered, bit will the character models be any different or do they just get special cards, how would Ricks, VF1-J really be different from the others? Maybe better pose or something?
Well obviously they could not do it to scale. That would be a Pledge in and of it self. It would be as big (rough math in head so bear with me) as the lego Super Star Destroyer.
As for how it works, meh I dont care really. I just want one so I can paint it and keep. I will get 2 One will be my SDF-1 and the other will be the SDF-2 from the books.
Lysenis wrote: Well obviously they could not do it to scale. That would be a Pledge in and of it self. It would be as big (rough math in head so bear with me) as the lego Super Star Destroyer.
As for how it works, meh I dont care really. I just want one so I can paint it and keep. I will get 2 One will be my SDF-1 and the other will be the SDF-2 from the books.
Negative, if it was 1/285th scale it would be almost 20 feet long from tip to tip. The Actual surface would be closer to 18 feet long.
An A.R.M.D. carrier from Robotech would be closer to 4.5 feet long. The carriers on the SDF's arms would be right close to 6.5 feet long. The Lego SSD is about 4 feet long.
I'm going to paint my SDF all chrome and hang it from my rear-view mirror.
Lysenis wrote: Well obviously they could not do it to scale. That would be a Pledge in and of it self. It would be as big (rough math in head so bear with me) as the lego Super Star Destroyer.
As for how it works, meh I dont care really. I just want one so I can paint it and keep. I will get 2 One will be my SDF-1 and the other will be the SDF-2 from the books.
Negative, if it was 1/285th scale it would be almost 20 feet long from tip to tip. The Actual surface would be closer to 18 feet long.
An A.R.M.D. carrier from Robotech would be closer to 4.5 feet long. The carriers on the SDF's arms would be right close to 6.5 feet long. The Lego SSD is about 4 feet long.
I'm going to paint my SDF all chrome and hang it from my rear-view mirror.
If it is Resin, then you might want to move to Alaska to keep it from melting.
Lysenis wrote: Well obviously they could not do it to scale. That would be a Pledge in and of it self. It would be as big (rough math in head so bear with me) as the lego Super Star Destroyer.
As for how it works, meh I dont care really. I just want one so I can paint it and keep. I will get 2 One will be my SDF-1 and the other will be the SDF-2 from the books.
Negative, if it was 1/285th scale it would be almost 20 feet long from tip to tip. The Actual surface would be closer to 18 feet long.
An A.R.M.D. carrier from Robotech would be closer to 4.5 feet long. The carriers on the SDF's arms would be right close to 6.5 feet long. The Lego SSD is about 4 feet long.
I'm going to paint my SDF all chrome and hang it from my rear-view mirror.
Looking at how often things are actually to scale you are correct. I was spitballing that and said so
Wow... you're making up for my below average pledge! Anyone getting the SDF-1? I haven't dared enter the general comments today.. any mention on whether it'll have an ingame effect? (like extra command points paid with in game points or somesuch)
Just watched the Youtube video (#3) I like how they did Variable Modes. Being able to have each VF of my squadron choose their own form will HUGELY increase options!
The thing I liike about this pledge manager is that you can (by how they talked about it) add things on as things go on. So in June I can add $200 to my pledge and every month afterwards add more so that I can get what I want. For instance I can get a Recklace and add more and more addons as the months go by.
For those who have funded KS in the past, do the pledge managers run through kickstarter or are they an independent thing? Can you use paypal with pledge managers after the kickstarter is over?
The payment option from the email update says that you pay through Amazon and it will update from what you paid last so if I paid $200 on the 20th and in June decide to up my pledge to $500 then it would charge me just the $300 remaining. I like the concept!
Lysenis wrote: The thing I liike about this pledge manager is that you can (by how they talked about it) add things on as things go on. So in June I can add $200 to my pledge and every month afterwards add more so that I can get what I want. For instance I can get a Recklace and add more and more addons as the months go by.
judgedoug wrote: currently dominating the comments section - Bad_Syntax (aka Eric Smith) trying to tell everyone what is or is not a wargame
Sounds like just the sort whose opinion I value being able to ignore.
just some wierd elitism or something about how ASL is a 'true simulation wargame' whereas x-wing is a boardgame and robotech isn't a wargame because it's not realistic enough. had to point out that all the games that we play are about as realistic as Little Wars or Candyland.
Lysenis wrote: One will be my SDF-1 and the other will be the SDF-2 from the books.
The SDF-2 is considerably bigger!
I think the SDF you're showing is from a later non-robotech macross series. The contrived robotech SDF-2 was largely identical and never actually shown in the series IIRC. There are some pics of it floating around from a robotech comic though where it's "back to back" with the SDF-1 in the lake that it rests in (which I guess is why you don't see it... yeah... I know.. but that's what they came up with).
Lysenis wrote: One will be my SDF-1 and the other will be the SDF-2 from the books.
The SDF-2 is considerably bigger!
I think the SDF you're showing is from a later non-robotech macross series. The contrived robotech SDF-2 was largely identical and never actually shown in the series IIRC. There are some pics of it floating around from a robotech comic though where it's "back to back" with the SDF-1 in the lake that it rests in (which I guess is why you don't see it... yeah... I know.. but that's what they came up with).
That is the One. The SDF-2 hete was mainly in the Lactosa Saga books. Which there were 2 of, one Red one Blue. It www never shown in the anime but it www suppose to be built and almost finished by the time Khyron has captured Minmei. Also Lisa was going to be the captain snd guey were to go investigate the Robotech Masters if I recall properly. Rick has the moral dilema of going or not due to Minmei finally showing real interest in Jim.
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valace2 wrote: Wondering what you guys think of the mk2 monster, trying to decide whether or not to up my pledge, I am at showdown level.
Having seen the rules and Its abilities I would get no more than the 3. I honestly dont see myself fielding all that often. They can take down a lot but They are a one of per Destroid squadron
Lysenis wrote: The thing I liike about this pledge manager is that you can (by how they talked about it) add things on as things go on. So in June I can add $200 to my pledge and every month afterwards add more so that I can get what I want. For instance I can get a Recklace and add more and more addons as the months go by.
Wait, what? Really?
From my understanding and a message that took them 3 days to answer. It www my motivator to actually support this due to life interrupting how much i clips pledge at one time.
judgedoug wrote: currently dominating the comments section - Bad_Syntax (aka Eric Smith) trying to tell everyone what is or is not a wargame
And yet as of 6 minutes ago he seems to be in for almost $3,000. Guess it doesn't really matter in the end?
nah, but he was the cause of some humorous drama when he was canceling his "thousand dollar pledges" and then signup up as a new account and repledging and canceling over and over again. just a random ITG needing attention
I wonder if the veritech pilots crack jokes about "catching space tuna" when cruising the bar scene.
I thought tokens for the 1mil mark was kinda weak, at least they made up for it with the SDF-1 option. The SDF seems like it would have been the much cooler mega target at an even mil.
Its awesome to see the big guy added, I absolutely loved the huge matchbox version I had as a kid.
So I noticed one of the Early Bird Gloval Reports has opened up again and the other 4 still remain vacant as well as the super pledges.
I've also noticed that some folk are complaining about the stretch goals getting lame at this point. I have to say I disagree. Anyone who has Battlecry or above really isn't missing anything needed to play the game it would seem with a decent variety. Heck even the First Contact backers get the command point tokens and some destroids so they have everything they need to play a small game at this point.
With that in mind I've basically decided to avoid the KS comment section as it seems to be filled with nothing but with certain posters having but nonsensical crap to say at this point.
I would just like to hear about the bag. I know a lot of people are content to go and get it later but I'm patient I have to wait until New Years for these models and it will talk some time to get them built and painted I'm fine with the bag coming around Valentines Day when some of them will be ready for storage and transport.
I'm also a fan of Battle Foam, they are not cheap but they do provide a quality product in my experience and 100$ US could be a great deal depending upon the bag itself.
Lysenis wrote:
The thing I liike about this pledge manager is that you can (by how they talked about it) add things on as things go on. So in June I can add $200 to my pledge and every month afterwards add more so that I can get what I want. For instance I can get a Recklace and add more and more addons as the months go by.
Wait, what? Really?
No not really. The pledge manager will be opened several weeks after the Kickstarter has closed, and will remain open for about one month.
A: We will release a full tutorial on using the optional pledge manager after we have sent out the Kickstarter Surveys. For now, know that we anticipate the pledge manager being available several weeks after the end of the Kickstarter. It will be open for roughly one month.
Lysenis wrote:
The thing I liike about this pledge manager is that you can (by how they talked about it) add things on as things go on. So in June I can add $200 to my pledge and every month afterwards add more so that I can get what I want. For instance I can get a Recklace and add more and more addons as the months go by.
Wait, what? Really?
No not really. The pledge manager will be opened several weeks after the Kickstarter has closed, and will remain open for about one month.
A: We will release a full tutorial on using the optional pledge manager after we have sent out the Kickstarter Surveys. For now, know that we anticipate the pledge manager being available several weeks after the end of the Kickstarter. It will be open for roughly one month.
Makes sense. Oh well i will chalk that up to reading after waking up mistake. It still gives me 3 paychecks to add on with though.
More freebies with the next goal at $1.275m First Contact gets x1 Quel Gulnau Recovery Pod x2 BC x4 Showdown plus it's added to the Zentraedi Command Pack.
griffen127 wrote: whoever started the thread needs to update the title as we are well over 1.16 million
You really should actually read the title before posting because it was updated 45 minutes before your post. Feel free to check the time stamps on your post and the edit.
Certainly we'll get to the resin SDF-1, I've just increased my pledge to include that, and we are under $7.5K away as I type. The ones further away than that, well we are rocketing up at the moment, so it's not impossible.
Random free bits is still free bits. I certainly wasn't expecting the recovery pods (especially free to the base game). I hate to sound ungrateful but I think they need to buff the human side more instead of the zentraedi. I didn't do the math myself but someone calculated in the comments on the KS that the zentraedi have an over 50% advantage in both points and $$$ value in add-ons compared to the humans. Since I'll likely be providing the figs for both sides in demos I do locally to drum up interest, I'd prefer them to be as close to equal as possible (or at least within 20%).
For those wondering what the YF-4 might look like transformed, this is the pic that I found. I don't know if Ninja/Palladium is sticking with this design as I can't say for sure from the darkened silhouette so take it with a grain of salt and all.
Some of the point values don't really make sense to me. Seriously Lancers and Ghosts being worth almost as much as an Armored Valk? Lancers and Ghosts were like popcorn, The armored Valk should be more expensive than a Super Valk, the fire power of an Armored Valk is ridiculous, and when the missiles are done you still have a Valk. Why is it so cheap?
warboss wrote: Random free bits is still free bits. I certainly wasn't expecting the recovery pods (especially free to the base game). I hate to sound ungrateful but I think they need to buff the human side more instead of the zentraedi. I didn't do the math myself but someone calculated in the comments on the KS that the zentraedi have an over 50% advantage in both points and $$$ value in add-ons compared to the humans. Since I'll likely be providing the figs for both sides in demos I do locally to drum up interest, I'd prefer them to be as close to equal as possible (or at least within 20%).
The balance by physical weight of the box probably still favors the UEDF.
There's a pretty much unavoidable problem, given that you're paying for models, and the Veritech isn't supposed to be stupendous. You either get 21 Valkyries (pointed out to about the same as a Zentraedi grunt) in a single position and a whole bunch of transformation mode markers, or 7 Valkyries (pointed out to be a little bit better) that you swap models for instead of tokens.
You can't exactly expect them to put out a Robotech game in which the Veritech fighters can't run around in all three modes, after all.
warboss wrote: I didn't do the math myself but someone calculated in the comments on the KS that the zentraedi have an over 50% advantage in both points and $$$ value in add-ons compared to the humans. Since I'll likely be providing the figs for both sides in demos I do locally to drum up interest, I'd prefer them to be as close to equal as possible (or at least within 20%).
I wonder where theyre getting those numbers? I did the points math yesterday and it was 505 to 550, not even but very close to it. definitely not 50% advantage for the Zentradi.
The 'rifle' equipped FPAs don't appear in Robotech at all, they're from Macross: DYRL. Does this mean that Palladium has the rights to DYRL stuff? Likewise, VF-4 appears in another Macross OVA, not Robotech.
Also, I think Orguss showed up as a cameo/easter egg in one scene in the background, which may legally make it work under Harmony Gold's crazy rights thing...
Update #88 seems to be "We want to get into a legal fight with whoever owns Orguss". :(
The Orguss did appear in the Robotech series towards the end. It was a kind of "Easter egg" for fans so I guess they have the rights to use it. There was also a reference to Captain Harlock as well, the front of one of the Zentraedi ships had the skull and crossbones on it.
Minmei, Rick Hinter and the Bridge Bunnies also make an appearance in the Orguss series.
Edit: I'm not sure what's going on with the pics displaying that way, but if you click on it they'll display normally.
The 'rifle' equipped FPAs don't appear in Robotech at all, they're from Macross: DYRL. Does this mean that Palladium has the rights to DYRL stuff? Likewise, VF-4 appears in another Macross OVA, not Robotech.
Also, I think Orguss showed up as a cameo/easter egg in one scene in the background, which may legally make it work under Harmony Gold's crazy rights thing...
The VF-4 is shown in Robotech as a model.
Additionally, there's no rifle-equipped Queadluun-Rau in DYRL, the Nousjadeul-Ger carries a rifle:
(you can also see the missile variant DYRL N-Ger in the upper left)
I'm curious to see if Robotech can beat the one day pledge total for zombicide 2 of $449k. That's definitely the highest I've seen for a tabletop game offering. If anyone has any higher ones for a minis/board/tabletop game, feel free to post it. We're already within a few minutes of passing the second highest that I know of (Myth).
I am totally not happy about them going off the rails with new experimental units. It is cool from a wargaming perspective to have unit diversity but all the companies involved (with the exception of ND) have a track record for producing mediocre product when they deviate from the source material.
Also Orguss? Wtf... I knew about the easter egg but I really don't think it should be in the game as a fieldable unit. It just doesn't fit.
They covered the mecha other than conventional vehicles that people wanted first which was the priority. After that, what can they do besides coming up with new stuff? Just give away freebies and keep adding to existing boxed sets to cut into their profits? I'm not a fan of the experimental mecha except for maybe the VF-4 and rifle wielding FPA (and wouldn't actually buy them but will gladly take them as freebies) but I'm not going to begrudge them a bit of artistic freedom after a million dollars and 70 updates of nothing but exact renders of the cartoon.
I just like that I pledged $1000 and as the unlocks today keep coming in, I'm actually "getting money back" to spend on other stuff. I had about $30 of "free space" on my calculator, now I have $90.
Before I had to pay for 4 Lancers, now I get 8 for free. So I'll buy the Orguss box for what the Lancer box would have cost me.
Absolute gain in my mind.
I was telling people I would pay for the FPA upgrade sprue last night, now I get it for free.
All is well!
[Edit] If I had to bet on the end amount, I would bet that it stops right around the x2 Extra Ghosts unlock. 1.385m.....
Warboss there are plenty of things that are actually canon that they still haven't brought to the table without stepping into totally new stuff. It seems to me that making crap up is really going to open pandoras box.
It will suck as bad as those old robotech model kits that had nothing to do with the series.
Swabby wrote: Warboss there are plenty of things that are actually canon that they still haven't brought to the table without stepping into totally new stuff. It seems to me that making crap up is really going to open pandoras box.
It will suck as bad as those old robotech model kits that had nothing to do with the series.
You're just miffed that they haven't come out with that kung fu kyle mini you suggested a few pages back. I don't frankly plan on building any experimentals (except maybe a VF-4 if its a freebie) but I can see why they're padding the goals with bits upgrades instead of new free minis. I don't think they initially expected to get this far frankly.
They upgraded the front page graphic with lots of "Free to Battlecry and Beyond" stuff.
However, I think it still might be a little too late for that. Even if they were 25k apart each, that would be 150k minimum in less than 2 hours. We'll say 200k to get that very last unlock.
I'm not saying it's impossible, I saw it happen with Myth. Myth gave more of a warning it was coming though.
On the plus side, at least they're still doing goals at 25k intervals roughly. Most kickstarters switch to 50-100k when the pledges hit over a million. We may not be getting alot every 25k but it's a steady dribble with the free models every 100k or so.
edit: and swabby we get our wish... free VF-4s at 1.6. I don't think we'll actually get there but it's nice to see nonetheless.
Well we were told flat out that for whatever reason the Cats Eye, Conventional Vehicles and Breetai with an iron bar weren't allowed.
I'm a bit surprised there's no card buildings or other terrain. And I think the Orgus mechs is a bit of a legal gamble but all in all, some nice stuff.
Little disappointed I won't get my unique Max sculpt either, but after watching another truly mis-managed KS campaign falter across the finish line earlier this year, it's nice to watch another that I'm involved in blow up in the last few days.
All told I went in for a Showdown with minimal add ons. Nice to see all the crazy stuff they're teasing, but I'm pretty capped out with that, so if it's badass enough, I'll just have to snag some at retail.
Since so many people were asking I imagine that Max and Miraya VTs were also blocked. I mean making those two would have to be easier than sculpting some brand new mechs.
Of course they could also be on hold for the retail release...
warboss wrote: I'm curious to see if Robotech can beat the one day pledge total for zombicide 2 of $449k. That's definitely the highest I've seen for a tabletop game offering. If anyone has any higher ones for a minis/board/tabletop game, feel free to post it. We're already within a few minutes of passing the second highest that I know of (Myth).
Kingdom Death: Monster on it's final day posted 520k, and falls into the criterion outlined above.
Still, this one is looking damned impressive at the finish.
Swabby wrote: Now the real question is, which one of you dakkaites am I going to have to fly to in order to actually get to play this game?
Where are you at? I will be trying to get a couple local players to play. Crawfordsville Indiana for me. I can't remember my log in to alter my location, the computer remembers my password wonderfully though.
I've pitched in $300 and, dammit, I want to throw in more but I can't justify it in the least. Maybe we'll get an amazing mystery backer who'll toss in $200k at the last minute?
I am down in Southern Arizona, not too many rabid anime fans down here from the oldschool that I know of. My wargaming friends all eyerolled the nostalgia on this one
They also just announced that the BattleFoam Bag they're offering would fit in the entire model count of the Battle Cry ($140) pledge level in custom trays.
My guess is like Wild West Exodus, it'll likely be a personalized (with the Robotech logo) BF 432 bag.
Swabby wrote: I am down in Southern Arizona, not too many rabid anime fans down here from the oldschool that I know of. My wargaming friends all eyerolled the nostalgia on this one
I'm in with 26 minutes to spare. Been on the fence since I never really watched the show ever, but since a guy in my gaming club is behind a lot of it I felt I had to.. that and it looks fun either way
Kinda fun just watching the page auto refresh and keep climbing
Nice to get a last hour update on the battlefoam bags, but I'm still not biting. With this many models, and knowing that it might be weeks or months after delivery before we even get to play it (assembly time, etc), and given what my local store sells their Malifaux bags for, I suspect i'll be able to get one for basically the same price, but when I need it (not sitting on my credit card for half a year or more) and can make an informed call on whether to bother with their trays, or just order some 40mm base standard ones, as the regular 30mm rectangles have served me well with my current game.
Ugh just checked the bank and looks like I won't be able to get Battlecry after all. I can fund at the basic level and increase after the kickstarter to get access to what I want at a later date, yes?
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: Ugh just checked the bank and looks like I won't be able to get Battlecry after all. I can fund at the basic level and increase after the kickstarter to get access to what I want at a later date, yes?
Yes, for approximately a one month period after the Pledge Manager comes out.
Quick, snap up one of those cheap early birds that's open! 5 at the moment!
Oh, I'm in for a Showdown to cover most of my needs, a MAC II because I want several hundred tons of lumbering artillery at my beck and call, and a box of Armoured VTs.
I couldn't let those two pass, and the BC tier is a simply absurd pile of figures at this point.
I dunno, it was called as stalling out a bunch of times in the comments.
*facepalm*
I really should follow my rule about not reading comments.
Also, I noticed that Kicktraq is now displaying "comments per day" as a statistic.
I suspect this will end poorly, as campaigns with 'enthusiastic' backers will start just spamming unrelentingly to get a 'good number' and make it seem like their pet project is being talked about heavily.
I went in for a Battle Cry, a MAC 2, an SDF 1 (to go next to my Optimus Prime on my desk) and some extra Gnerls.
I am really looking forward to this and having fun with these models. I grew up on Palladium games and Robotech, so this was like a fistful of nostalgia and couldn't resist.
I hope so too swabby. Years ago I converted robotech into Heavy Gear and just recently came up with x-wing stats for veritechs as well so I know I'll be playing games regardless but I do indeed hope they come up with some solid rules for the actual Robotech game as well (I'm looking at you, LOS and close combat!).
So... for a simple battlecry pledge you get 96 minis (counting each veritech mode model as a separate mini) for $140 coming out to $1.46 per mini and the minis all are terminator sized and up. Not too shabby at all!
warboss wrote: I hope so too swabby. Years ago I converted robotech into Heavy Gear and just recently came up with x-wing stats for veritechs as well so I know I'll be playing games regardless but I do indeed hope they come up with some solid rules for the actual Robotech game as well (I'm looking at you, LOS and close combat!).
Well the demo they showed reminded me a bit of Warmachine, or what I've played of it so it seemed solid enough, or at least familiar. Either way they've got some time and a boatload of cash to figure it out.
So... for a simple battlecry pledge you get 96 minis (counting each veritech mode model as a separate mini) for $140 coming out to $1.46 per mini and the minis all are terminator sized and up. Not too shabby at all!
And nearly double the Dark Vengeance set for only a little bit more. Of course you can't compare a kickstarter prize to a retail box really but considering I would have broke down and bought it for the minis anyway once seeing it make it to a shelf getting nearly 100 is pretty good. Not to mention it included a number of items I would have picked up anyway.
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