I am just wondering if the success of the KS has caught Ninja studios and Palladium by surprise and the slow stretch goals are bacause there is not much more planned inthe tank at the momemt.
The new stretch after the extra fighter is likely to add the Pod Artillery and then liklley is a double up for other Destriods.
What then new model wise, z battle armour would be nice but what would it contribute game wise. new character models are always welcome, but the zentradi may fall behind again there. Other then that what is lef without moving the series forward, which may be was planned as the next KS project.
For me a few extra boosts to the basic median pledge Battlecry would not go amiss, double up on the destroids and maybe add the two other models, add more pods with full sprue sets to make up whatever.
I'm in but am holding off adding for a week or so, till I see a bit more of what is planned
TalonZahn wrote: Anyway, I was looking over the boxes and I decided to throw some numbers around and I guess the reason the $140 level isn't that impressive to me so far, is that it's only got what amounts to about $40 over the $80 box + a couple add-ons. I can buy what they are putting in the $140 box already, so technically I'm not being given anything extra. The only items that seperate it are the Roy fig, the "special valk" (which amounts to 1 extra head option), and the art. Everything else can be bought, which brings it up to..... around $140.
This depends heavily on what you'd be buying above and beyond the base box.
Let's assume that a person wants to play some large scale battles, or is hoping to have one box with enough contents to run two smaller games (which is looking quite possible at this rate).
$80 base box
+$25 for the extra Valkyries
+25 for the extra Battle Pods
Total: $130.
Now, that means that the battlecry tier has you paying $10 for:
Piece of art (subjective value, would probably cost about $10 if it were a tier on its own by comparing to the other 2 art tiers).
So now we're about even.
Rick LE figure: $15.
Roy LE Figure: $15.
1 Valkyrie. Ignoring the heads thing, that's half a Valkyrie pack. $12.50
3 Battlepods. $12.50
Extra Officer's Pod and Recon Pod: $25.
Total: $80 in bonus figures.
That's a pretty hefty bonus above and beyond the cost of the base box. I will, however recognize that it requires one to have been interested in buying all of those figures in the first place. If someone just wanted to play small scale games of 2 fighers and 2 destroids versus 12 battle pods or something, the base/core box is indeed a better value. For some people, it is likely wiser to just buy the base box and then see that $60 difference as cash to spend on the exact extras they want, rather than getting a pile of 'filler' stuff they don't.
It's certainly not cut and dry, but at the same time, I feel it does a disservice to dismiss what is a pretty reasonable amount of swag being added on, especially since we're still in the first third of the campaign (based on time, who knows where we stand based on goals they can add). Who knows, in 3 weeks we may come back to this matter and find that practically everything is doubled and there are another half dozen LE figures people are frothing over.
Or we might just have another bunch of dice and expensive add ons.
Or, far more likely I feel, we'll have a mix of paid add ons and box upgrades and some nods to the people in the upper tiers who are committing a good chunk of cash on a product almost entirely unseen. Especially us poor international folks.
Anyway, I'm not trying to brow beat you into thinking the Battlecry tier is a good deal. If it's not for you, that's cool. I just started running the math in my head as I read your post and said to myself "wait a minute... that's not quite right...".
Edit: as for 'running out of gas', no, I think they may be pacing themselves a bit conservatively so they don't hit the crescendo of the campaign in the second week, but there are still a good half dozen units, and another half dozen unique figures that the fans would eat up and beg for more. And that's before they began to start hitting some of the more background elements, and the ability to increase add on box size and begin to shuffle things into the core boxes themselves basically gives them infinite room to move.
Stretch A: unlock figure X add on.
Stretch B: increase figure X in add on.
Stretch C: add 1 or 2 of figure X to the Battlecry tier.
Stretch D: unlock figure Y add on.
Etc.
They could do that with Super Veritechs, Armoured Veritechs, Artillery Pods, Scout Pods and the Powered Armour and it'd probably see them through the next quarter million or more.
Edit 2: that said, once you add S&H, it does become more like $200 worth of figures for $170, which is not an amazing discount. However, I do believe that will improve in the next 3 1/2 weeks, and every extra figure and upgrade that goes in the box is icing on the cake.
Exactly; for the collectors, the base box plus add ons to get at least one or two of every model is for them.
Then there's me. I want 4000 battle pods.
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CaptainLoken wrote: There is only one problem with including the Invid Invasion into this game...the scale. Can you imagine how TINY a cycloe would be at this scale?
yup! like 8mm. I would love to see a base with like 3 Cyclones on it represent a "unit", and probably also a "unit" with two scouts. I think a Shock Trooper would probably fit on one base though, they're shorter than a destroid but pretty bulky.
This would make an interesting stretch goal. I wonder if they have the rights for it. I think they have rules for it in the RPG.
Southern cross was actually pretty good. I have the RPG book, there are tons of units and mechs that didn't make it into the show, or only appear for like a second.
Cyclones would really need their own stand as they are almost as powerful as a Macros Valkyrie. Individually they would be better than battle pods.
TalonZahn wrote: Anyway, I was looking over the boxes and I decided to throw some numbers around and I guess the reason the $140 level isn't that impressive to me so far, is that it's only got what amounts to about $40 over the $80 box + a couple add-ons. I can buy what they are putting in the $140 box already, so technically I'm not being given anything extra. The only items that seperate it are the Roy fig, the "special valk" (which amounts to 1 extra head option), and the art. Everything else can be bought, which brings it up to..... around $140.
This basically sums up my hesitation. For me to back a kickstarter I have to either:
A) Get a access to a decent amount of limited things (ie Zombicide)
B) Get a lot of stuff at a really discounted price (ie Reaper)
If I don't get either of these things I'm basically pre-ordering an unknown commodity. There's a very real risk of bad rules and/or poorly made figures. Also I can usually get ~25% off from online retailers, so if $80 is going to be the MSRP there has to be a lot of incentive to buy the $140 box.
This would make an interesting stretch goal. I wonder if they have the rights for it. I think they have rules for it in the RPG.
Southern cross was actually pretty good. I have the RPG book, there are tons of units and mechs that didn't make it into the show, or only appear for like a second.
Cyclones would really need their own stand as they are almost as powerful as a Macros Valkyrie. Individually they would be better than battle pods.
That's the Garland from Megazone 23, not a Cyclone.
I think they did use the Garlands in that horrific Clash of the Bionids movie, but not in the Macross series itself.
This would make an interesting stretch goal. I wonder if they have the rights for it. I think they have rules for it in the RPG.
Southern cross was actually pretty good. I have the RPG book, there are tons of units and mechs that didn't make it into the show, or only appear for like a second.
Cyclones would really need their own stand as they are almost as powerful as a Macros Valkyrie. Individually they would be better than battle pods.
That's the Garland from Megazone 23, not a Cyclone.
I think they did use the Garlands in that horrific Clash of the Bionids movie, but not in the Macross series itself.
Clash of the Bionoids was a Hong Kong re-edit and dub of Macross Ai Oboete Imasuka.
Megazone 23 formed the basis of Robotech The Movie: The Untold Story - which was a portion of Megazone 23, some Southern Cross footage, and about 20 minutes of newly commissioned footage to fit it in. I used to have a copy of it. I wonder where it went...
I don't have my numbers in front me at work to refute and explain how I came to that conclusion.
I will be home in awhile and I will provide more info!
So, nyah!
[Edit for maths]
So if you buy the $80 and spend another $85 you get all the stuff at $140 minus 3 pods, 1 Valk. (which is basically another head bit), Roy, and the art. So you save $25 and get another $40 for a grand total of $65 worth of free stuff. Which again, isn't anything to balk at but it isn't exactly something to cheer about to bring everyone to the KS.
My main point all along is that; so far it just seems sort of soft, weak in the knees, lacking punch?
They still haven't reached the point of... OMFG I MUST HAVE THIS BECAUSE THE DEAL IS SO AWESOME!....for the people on the fence, or waiting in the shadows.
Most of us in the thread are already there based on nostalgia or some other reason, unseen, giant robots, etc.
As to the rules in the demo remember they are just that: demo rules on a 2'x2' board. The rules themselves are still in playtesting. Therefore, judging the full gamut of rules based on a >20 minute demo video is a little harsh.
I think the rules are rather interesting, and show the possibility of having quite a depth to them. Of course, I'm basing that on a >20 minute demo video, so there is equal chance that either you or I are correct.
TalonZahn wrote: My main point all along is that; so far it just seems sort of soft, weak in the knees, lacking punch?
They still haven't reached the point of... OMFG I MUST HAVE THIS BECAUSE THE DEAL IS SO AWESOME!....for the people on the fence, or waiting in the shadows.
Most of us in the thread are already there based on nostalgia or some other reason, unseen, giant robots, etc.
No argument there. Personally I think it's an okay deal, but can see how someone who might not have quite the same nostalgia draw would see it as being on the cusp and could go either way.
On one hand, I'm happy with what I'd be getting, but on the other, hey, the more that comes in the less I have to pay after the fact for extras, so win/win. And the better a deal they can afford to make it, the more likely more people will join and make it an even greater success. Though of course, the more people join, the more free stuff they have to send out... man, KS campaigns are like hitting moving targets from other moving targets which are themselves attached to yet another moving target.
Edit: and yeah, that's a light Artillery pod on the right ("hiding" behind the hill). There's a "heavy" version, which fires larger/more devestating missiles.
This would make an interesting stretch goal. I wonder if they have the rights for it. I think they have rules for it in the RPG.
Southern cross was actually pretty good. I have the RPG book, there are tons of units and mechs that didn't make it into the show, or only appear for like a second.
Cyclones would really need their own stand as they are almost as powerful as a Macros Valkyrie. Individually they would be better than battle pods.
That's the Garland from Megazone 23, not a Cyclone.
I think they did use the Garlands in that horrific Clash of the Bionids movie, but not in the Macross series itself.
I know it's not a cyclone. Nobody in their right mind could mistake it for a cyclone, it's not even from the same generation.
The cyclone statement statement still stands. The cyclones are roughly as powerful as a Valkyrie depending on weapon lay out.
Yeah, by the Palladium rules, a Cyclone has similar (if not the same) damage taking capacity as an old school Veritech Fighter.
Of course, they're not packing nearly as many missiles and their sidearm doesn't pack quite the punch of a GU-11 (though I don't think it was as far off as one might think).
Basically, Cyclones vs Battlepods would be a hell of a fight.
One thing would be that they're not nearly as fast as Fighters/Guardians... can't quite recall how they stand up to Battloids sprinting/jumping.
I'm so happy to see the artillery pod. With that I'll have gotten all I want short of super/armored veritechs. Hopefully the arty pods are free bonuses.
As you can see, armor-wise the cyclone is worth about 2 pods, but aside from the 1-shot mini missiles it can't dish out as much damage as a single battle pod. The cyclones remain mostly unchanged in the new RPG books, but iirc the VF-1 had like 250 MDC main body before and the Battle Pods originally only had 50 MDC!
man, I can't WAIT for New Generation minis to come! Macross is neat and all, but there's a bajillion models for it already floating out there. There's very little MOSPEADA and even less Southern Cross. Which is sad, because New Generation has been scientifically proven in readily repeatable lab and real-world testing to be the superior of the 3 Robotech parts. It's true, trust me. I'm a doctor or something.
Alpharius wrote: The 'bad rules' thing is a legitimate risk, but I think we'll be OK here...
I'm not so sure. The more I brood on that vid, the more I think the rules out of the box will be crunchier than their tactical depth merits.
I don't know, I think it was just presented very poorly in that video. From what I can gather, one unit at a time moves, then shoots. When you shoot, you roll some number of dice based on the weapon or weapons. You add your accuracy stat to the roll (plus any modifiers) to get your score. The score has to equal the defense stat (plus modifiers) of the target to score a hit. Then you mark off the amount of damage based on the weapon.
Then there's using the command points to shoot more or to dodge. The dodge appears similar to the to hit, where you roll a die and add, in this case, your maneuverability stat, which has to equal the attack score in order to dodge. Though it appears you make one roll to dodge all hits from a single unit at a time, and beating the highest attack score dodges them all.
The way they described subtracting the stats made it much more difficult for me to follow in the video, but when I think of it the way I described it seems more clear to me, assuming I understood it correctly.
As you can see, armor-wise the cyclone is worth about 2 pods, but aside from the 1-shot mini missiles it can't dish out as much damage as a single battle pod. The cyclones remain mostly unchanged in the new RPG books, but iirc the VF-1 had like 250 MDC main body before and the Battle Pods originally only had 50 MDC!
man, I can't WAIT for New Generation minis to come! Macross is neat and all, but there's a bajillion models for it already floating out there. There's very little MOSPEADA and even less Southern Cross. Which is sad, because New Generation has been scientifically proven in readily repeatable lab and real-world testing to be the superior of the 3 Robotech parts. It's true, trust me. I'm a doctor or something.
Your stats on the originals would be correct sir! I played the Robotech RPG with my friends for years, alongside Rifts (don't judge me). The main Valkyries did indeed have 250, with the Battlepods having 50, and the Cyclones upwards of 200+. However, the speed and weapon systems of the Valkyrie, along with the attacks it added per round, put it far ahead of the Cyclone in damage output. I really can't tell you how utterly devastating long range missiles were, and the Valk could carry upwards of 4-6 on the stock, and if you added in the Armored versions... yeah let's just say a single Valk, by the rules, could take on most cap ships.
The way they described subtracting the stats made it much more difficult for me to follow in the video, but when I think of it the way I described it seems more clear to me, assuming I understood it correctly.
That's the idea that I got as well. It's basically target's Defense - attacker Attackers = threshold on a D6. From the Valkyire card on pg 5; if they were in Battloid mode their ATK is 3 and DEF is 5. To attack another Valk, they'd roll 5 - 3 = 2+. That doesn't seem horribly complicated to me.
I think the demo footage we saw was pretty rough, probably a first take they did at Adepticon. Someone could probably spend a few hours working on a script to present it better.
No idea what Weapon Templates are, or why we'd want them in plastic, but I guess it's a moot issue until we're up to 2200, which should hopefully happen in the next 2-3 days or so.
Support battlepods? Perhaps a reference to the Artillery pods? Perhaps not. Also moot for now.
Glad to see them listening to the backers and providing a few more upgrades that should/will naturally build up over time.
That's not surprising. Many campaigns, even successful ones, ebb and flow. Aside from absolutely bat____ crazy ones that just flat out get out of hand from the word go, it's totally expected to have a crazy opening day or two, then settle into a steady climb with spikes at particularly juicy stretch goals and bonuses.
There's still 25 days left to go, it simply isn't feasible to expect that to sustain the same rate of increase the whole way through.
And as noted, the last few goals have been.. a bit of a strain. Not the worst I've seen, but they could've been better or at least done better. I think having Artillery teased, hitting the Fighter bonus today and seeing that backer numbers will help boost us should put things back on track this weekend.
Edit: Here, look at the kicktraq info for Dwarven Forge's quite successful terrain KS (note: I am not saying that this is indicative in any way of how the Palladium one will go, just using it as an example of a highly successful campaign that had lulls of its own);
As you can see, despite being quite successful (1.1 million and climbing with 4 days left), after a week they had a drop off in backers and incoming funding, which bumped up again (presumably through incentives like stretch goals being hit and revealed), and it bobbed up and down for some time, before spiking way up again over the last few days, and will quite possibly shoot even higher by the end.
Forar wrote: No idea what Weapon Templates are, or why we'd want them in plastic, but I guess it's a moot issue until we're up to 2200, which should hopefully happen in the next 2-3 days or so.
Support battlepods? Perhaps a reference to the Artillery pods? Perhaps not. Also moot for now.
Glad to see them listening to the backers and providing a few more upgrades that should/will naturally build up over time.
Calling them support battlepods might mean that light and heavy artillery ones are part of the same upgrade sprue or kit. *fingers crossed* As for weapon templates, they're likely range rulers for weapons (like in x-wing) as well as shapes like concentric circles that show you who is attacked with area attack weapons (similar to blast templates in 40k if you've played that). The gameplay video mentioned missile attacks being area effect weapons so you'd just place the "pie plate" over the central figure and look to see who is covered by the attack. Lots of minis games use them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It likely won't let me add a new post and will attach this to the previous one but here it goes... The kickstarter sent out an update giving us some idea as to how big the units in the game might be.
Just a little less than $4,000 to go and the Gnerl Fighters get a bump in size! After that are the Regult Artillery Support Battlepods, a new unit that will be available as an optional Purchase Add-on for $20. We're pretty sure most of you have it figured out by now, be we always like extra teasers--just in case.
Squad Sizes
We have had many, many questions about squad sizes, so that people can plan their units and purchases. To help out, we've compiled a little squad size breakdown for you. Points and non-game piece options have not been included since we're still in development.
IMPORTANT NOTE: All squad sizes are simplified to include only previewed squadrons and options. They are still in development and may be subject to modification!
You will see that you can create a great deal of variation in your squadrons. To reflect this all of our add-ons are small and modular allowing you maximum flexibility when building your squadrons.
Ground Squadrons
Air Defense Squadron: 4x Light Artillery Regults and 2x Defenders
Artillery Support Squadron: 2x Heavy Artillery Regults and 2x Phalanxes
Heavy Destroid Squadron: 1x Glaug, 2x Spartans, and 2x Tomahawks
Light Raider Squadron: 6x Regults and 2x Spartans
Ground Squadron Options:
+1 Tomahawk and +1 Spartan
+1 Defender and +1 Phalanx
+6 Regults
+2 Light Artillery Regults and +2 Heavy Artillery Regults
+1 Glaug
+1 Reconnaissance Battlepod
IMPORTANT NOTE: All squad sizes are simplified to include only previewed squadrons and options. They are still in development and may be subject to
Just a little less than $4,000 to go and the Gnerl Fighters get a bump in size! After that are the Regult Artillery Support Battlepods, a new unit that will be available as an optional Purchase Add-on for $20. We're pretty sure most of you have it figured out by now, be we always like extra teasers--just in case.
SQUAD SIZES
We have had many, many questions about squad sizes, so that people can plan their units and purchases. To help out, we've compiled a little squad size breakdown for you. Points and non-game piece options have not been included since we're still in development.
IMPORTANT NOTE: All squad sizes are simplified to include only previewed squadrons and options. They are still in development and may be subject to modification!
You will see that you can create a great deal of variation in your squadrons. To reflect this all of our add-ons are small and modular allowing you maximum flexibility when building your squadrons.
UEDF
Ground Squadrons
Air Defense Squadron: 4x Light Artillery Regults and 2x Defenders
Artillery Support Squadron: 2x Heavy Artillery Regults and 2x Phalanxes
Heavy Destroid Squadron: 1x Glaug, 2x Spartans, and 2x Tomahawks
Light Raider Squadron: 6x Regults and 2x Spartans
Ground Squadron Options:
+1 Tomahawk and +1 Spartan
+1 Defender and +1 Phalanx
+6 Regults
+2 Light Artillery Regults and +2 Heavy Artillery Regults
+1 Glaug
+1 Reconnaissance Battlepod
IMPORTANT NOTE: All squad sizes are simplified to include only previewed squadrons and options. They are still in development and may be subject to modification!
...so any help in figuring out what to purchase will be greatly appreciated!
I don't know how much help I can be (but I did post the same info one post above you). The unit sizes seem to be quite preliminary and are missing a lot of things (like the mechs that still haven't been officially revealed but we all know are coming).
The destroids in the core set don't form a legal squadron but they're supposed to be used in special scenarios that come with the core set (sort of how the 40k armies in the starters don't always make legal armies). If you're in at the $130+ level, the newly added pledger total goals with get you to a legal squadron when they get to 2200 total pledgers.
The veritechs in the core set as well as the battlepods make a legal unit so no problem there. The issue comes up again regarding add ons. Buying a gnerl fighter add on only ends up giving you half a legal minimum squadron which I think is a big mistake. Add ons should contain the minimum legal number of units for a squadron (similar to how you get 5 terminators in a box and not three of them in 40k). I guess people could compare it to buying a blister that doesn't get you a whole squad but I was frankly very surprised about it.
The UEDF is the "good guy" human force for the first 2/3 of the Macross series whereas the Zentraedi are the "bad guys" in the same period. For the last part of the show, humans and zentraedis work together which is why they have the "Malcontents" section named after an uprising using squadrons containing both models.
warboss wrote: I don't know how much help I can be (but I did post the same info one post above you). The unit sizes seem to be quite preliminary and are missing a lot of things (like the mechs that still haven't been officially revealed but we all know are coming).
The destroids in the core set don't form a legal squadron but they're supposed to be used in special scenarios that come with the core set (sort of how the 40k armies in the starters don't always make legal armies). If you're in at the $130+ level, the newly added pledger total goals with get you to a legal squadron when they get to 2200 total pledgers.
The veritechs in the core set as well as the battlepods make a legal unit so no problem there. The issue comes up again regarding add ons. Buying a gnerl fighter add on only ends up giving you half a legal minimum squadron which I think is a big mistake. Add ons should contain the minimum legal number of units for a squadron (similar to how you get 5 terminators in a box and not three of them in 40k). I guess people could compare it to buying a blister that doesn't get you a whole squad but I was frankly very surprised about it.
The UEDF is the "good guy" human force for the first 2/3 of the Macross series whereas the Zentraedi are the "bad guys" in the same period. For the last part of the show, humans and zentraedis work together which is why they have the "Malcontents" section named after an uprising using squadrons containing both models.
Hope that helps.
It does - thanks you!
And I agree - that Gnerl add-on pack NOT giving you a legal squadron is... not nice!
Looks like the extra effort on the part of the KS is helping if the kicktraq record for today is any indication. We're already just a little bit away from beating yesterday's relatively anemic pledge total and that's just before the weekend evening starts.
We've got a artillery pod stretch goal now that people have been asking for that will likely get bumped up later on to 3x per add on (if the gnerls are any indication) as well as extra artillery pods and destroids as the number of total pledgers increase.
If you're on the fence about the project, pledge a dollar so that we get the extra pledger and then you can decide the day or two before it ends whether the extras are worth it. In the meantime, you're increasing those same freebies. I don't doubt we'll exceeed the 2600 in the next two weeks regardless but the sooner the better.
Assuming they reach all their backer stretch goals, and given the current minimum unit sizes they supplied, there is getting to be little reason to stick with First Contact instead of upping to Battle Cry.
Once we reach 2600 individual pledges, the battlecry/blitzkrieg level will indeed be a better deal in sheer value (as well as variety) than getting two core sets.
I'll likely end up putting my two current version robotech RPG books up in my swap shop thread for sale as I'd rather use the money on the KS (let me know if someone is interested). I've got no real hope for starting a robotech rpg campaign locally and I'm not a fan of the palladium RPG rules anyways. I'd rather sell the core book and the macross supplement and get another add on instead for the minis game.
edit: autocorrect keeps changing robotech to robot tech and macross to macros. argh!
Yeah, agree with the last few posts. The backer upgrades make me think seriously about shifting from Battle Cry plus some extra change for add-ons to Showdown (2x Battle Cry).
That is based on the add-ons I already knew I wanted:
Rick Hunter
Roy Fokker
Spartan/Phalanx
Support Pods
Glaug + Recon
Those add up to $90 already. Are the remaining contents of the BC set worth $30? Easily.
And I presume that the BC box will fill up a bit more over the next three weeks, making a double dip worth more. But, assuming those backer goals are met, it looks like a yes to me.
Sneak peak at the $430k stretch is at least one (looks like 2) destroid to every boxed game. Just have to wait on actual wording; 1 Destroid frame that can make either, or 2 Destroids total.
Another solid add-on when compiled with the backer add-ons.
I'm getting much happier now that they are loading up those boxed sets.
@Ninja: Sounds good to me! A legal destroid squad in the core set is always a good idea. And thus continues the tug of war in my mind over the relative value of 2x core sets vs Blitzkrieg/Battlecry. The extra pledger # goals (assuming they were met and I do assume they will be this week) swung the balance a bit towards Battlecry but the bonus to every core set now pulls it a bit in the other direction. Either way, I'm not complaining as I benefit from core set upgrades regardless!
@Spartan-Kun: You're not a fan of either flavor of power armor?
Not a huge one no, the female ones looked strange to me. Not sure why. And the Male's, they're kinda cool but I'm just not big on them. I think I really like the VT's and Pods cause they are what I first saw blasting each other when I was little so they are just my favorites and everything else pales in comparison. Except the hovertanks, which I saw when I got back into watching Robotech on Netflix last year.
It's definitely understandable as I feel that way about other units. I'm not a fan of destroids but it's not that I actually dislike them or would turn away freebies of them.. I simply have no urge to pay extra for any other than a MACII.
In a way, I feel the same way about male power armor and gnerls. I try to always have a reason for having a unit in my army and I frankly have trouble finding a role for them in my zentraedi force. I plan on desegregating the sexes and painting up my zentraedi in a single scheme which means I'll always be fielding Female power armor (FPA) with my pods. It seems (as best as I can tell from my very limited experience of watching the demo rules and having no rules for FPA) that the FPA will fill both roles that I'd expect in a pure male army with MPA and gnerls. Need a fast objective taking unit that flies? gnerl or FPA. Need a tough (by zentraedi standards) units to defend an area? MPA or FPA. Need a mech to put a male zentraedi HQ into? Got two glaugs in my pledge levels. YMMV and the above makes alot of (reasonable IMO) assumptions but I simply can't find much of a use for the two male units above. Add to that the fact that they were never sentimental favs of mine either in the show or the RPG and I have currently no reason to use either.
I've been actually tossing around getting Showdown now instead of Battle Cry + some add-ons.
I think Showdown +Daedalus Attack is what I'm set on and then depending how they respond with other add-ons I might be in for a couple Gnerl, Arty pod, and Spartan packs.
This is just based off their squad chart the other day though. I want legal squads and the ability to field anything, anytime, for any game.
@Alpharius: I have Showdown, as of right now it's a good deal and only getting better IMO
@Warboss: I'm not a big fan of the destroids, but my dad LOVES the tomohawks, so I plan on only using them and no defenders. I don't ever look at minis games in terms of what will do better at what. The reason I got into the games I collect are solely on what I like. If there was a god mode unit that I didn't like, I'd never use it. I'm just that picky. I might want a few MPA just cause the cannon on the shoulder IS kinda cool looking. But other than special VT's (Super/Amored) I'm just waiting for hovertanks.
LOL, I feel like the cheap ass odd man out with my lowly Blitzkrieg + Add-ons pledge. I'm ok with it... you guys spend all you can to get me free stuff!
After spending god knows how much on GW minis, what I'm spending on this seems like nothing compared to what I'm getting. Besides with all the freebies at this rate, we'll be getting better deals than your "cheap ass odd man out" ways XP
Alpharius wrote:Don't worry - I'm with you with the same thing.
I love the overall theme and the scale, but I'm not a dyed in the wool Robotech fanatic... yet!
Hey, someone's got to hold up the first half of the spending Bell curve and I volunteered early. If you do end up watching the show to help you get a better feel for it, make sure you watch either the protoculture edition or the current blue colored macross box as they have the cleaned up and restored footage. I'm rewatching my older DVDs since this kickstarter and the animation is literally dirty on a bigger screen and upscaled. I didn't notice the difference until I watched some youtube footage from the newer versions and it was quite obvious. Also, ignore the giant space tuna and the bright idea of taking an infant with you on a high risk assault onto an enemy fortress whose defenders significantly outnumber you.
Spartan-Kun wrote:After spending god knows how muchon GW minis, what I'm spending on this seems like nothing compared to what I'm getting. Besides with all the freebies at this rate, we'll be getting better deals than your "cheap ass odd man out" ways XP
I don't doubt that your deal will be better but if you're spending more then you deserve it. I've largely stopped buying GW stuff over the past few years except for codexes for my existing armies so the ridiculousness of their prices doesn't affect me as much. I've done a good job over the last 5 years of "recycling" my hobby funds from trading/selling my units for newer 40k stuff so the last straw for me was the finecast bungling switchover combined with the price increase. Trading a ridiculously priced unit I picked up 5 years earlier for half price for an equally ridiculously priced unit takes alot of the sting out of the current costs but I've still pretty much given up on GW regarding new purchases. Heavy Gear isn't priced much better but I got a ridiculously good deal on a huge lot from a closed store (or one that was dropping the HG line completely) on ebay. Xwing and Robotech are what I'd consider good values in gaming from my current repetoire of games I intend/hope to play.
For me the key is variety. I'd rather drop down to the $70 preorder level (assuming someone wants to switch with my $130 preorder) and then add exactly the add ons I want than get a better deal at a higher cost and end up with less unit variety. I'm hoping to max out my spending around $200-210 for this kickstarter so I don't have as much wiggle room at the $130 mark for add ons and am largely dependent on hoping the units I want get added in as freebies. I expect that 2 or 3 artillery pods (3 assuming that will be the final number in the add on after another stretch goal ala the gnerls) will eventually get added to the core set as a stretch goal in the last few days of the KS on top of the existing pledger stretch goal of 2 free with battlecry. If that's the case and they throw in the super and armored veritech (one each) with blitzkrieg, I'll stick with the $130 and just add on my MAC II and 1-2 boxes of female power armor (depending on what a legal squad consists of). If I can't fit that in under $210, then I'll drop down to the $70 and just pile on the add ons at the cost of core unit freebies like standard vf-1a's and regults.
I'm with Spartan, you don't even want to know what I have wrapped up in minis. My poorly updated BA paint log thread gives some numbers on just 1 army I own. That alone is enough to make a person sick.
So I came to this KS planning to spend at least $500.
I don't even know what will happen if they actually do make Armored VT's, Super VT's, Zent Armor, other characters, and/or other vehicles.
Don't get me wrong I love 40k, like I said earlier I collect and play for total fun but GW is so expensive, I'm really hoping the outbreak of better priced games will make them lower their prices. Why is it so expensive anyway?
The vast majority of units I want are in the basic set to begin with, the only add ons I'd get are artillery pods and maybe a MkII.
TalonZahn wrote: I I don't even know what will happen if they actually do make Armored VT's, Super VT's, Zent Armor, other characters, and/or other vehicles.
I'd be quite surprised if they didn't cover most of those. Even with padding most add ons as double stretch goals (one to introduce it and another later one to boost its model count), they're quickly running out of unique mechs in the series that aren't sprue upgrades of existing models (like the artillery pods compared to regults and super veritechs compared with regulars). I certainly hope the game has myth levels of increased funding during the last 48 hours as I expect alot of the fringe units to get proposed and funded at that time (like zentraedi infantry and non-protoculture vehicles like tanks/helos/etc).
In a way, I'm hoping that they eventually take the mantic way out if the kickstarter becomes too much of a success for them to handle. Instead of just delaying everything for 6 months like relic knights, I hope they ship things in staggered releases or (if they can't afford that) give people the option of getting stuff in staggered releases for an extra shipping fee or waiting till its all done and not paying extra. I'd rather pay an extra $10 in october to make sure that I get most of my toys in december rather than waiting until march 2014 to get all of them at once.
@Spartan: GW will never lower their prices for existing kits without a signficant change (like finecast to plastic... and then if you're lucky and they don't get goldsworded). They may drop stuff a little when they go from 1 crisis suit to 3 in a box but you're buying in bulk and they're getting 2.5 guaranteed times the cash for a 0.5 savings for you.
It'll be nice to get away from GW. So sick of their BS. Besides, if Robotech had existed like this before, I might never have given GW a single slender pence.
Sigh... they finally listen to feedback and put up some good goals and then the pledges slow to a crawl. I'm guessing its the weekend and people being out and away from their computers. Other new high profile kickstarters like the Mantic one probably draw away some attention as well.
It's in the canon that there are desegregated fleets. In one scene Azonia (or maybe Miriya, have to go check) gives an order to a male Zentraedi, and there's definitely a male Zentraed in a Female Power Armor at one point. And interestingly in Force of Arms there's purple Male Power Armor.
I get the feeling that the overwhelming majority of the chaff units are male (in regults or gnerls) but a lot of ace pilots and commanders - cloned from better stock, are far more integrated.
warboss wrote: Sigh... they finally listen to feedback and put up some good goals and then the pledges slow to a crawl. I'm guessing its the weekend and people being out and away from their computers. Other new high profile kickstarters like the Mantic one probably draw away some attention as well.
I've seen that happen a fair few times, the KS comments section gets what it thinks are a great stretch goal, and crash things slow to a crawl
It could well be the weekend or the fact that the early burst of folk who had been waiting for this have now all backed
but equally what really appeals to the hard core (which is what those who hang out in a KS comments are) may not appeal as much to the mass of more casual backers
I just got one of the metal regult pods that they were giving away at Adepticon from my friend. Even though it's metal...it's still cool to own some Robotech minis...I plan on assembling it tomorrow. I can't wait for this game to hit the shelves. Take my money!!!!!
Indeed... now that there are newer kickstarters out, we'll be dropped faster than Lisa Hayes every time that incestuous teenage tart Minemi walked by Rick Hunter! The total really crawled today and it looks like we'll hit the 400k mark tomorrow.
@CaptKaruthors: Congrats on the battlepod! Out of curiosity, is the torso hollow?
Indeed... now that there are newer kickstarters out, we'll be dropped faster than Lisa Hayes every time that incestuous teenage tart Minemi walked by Rick Hunter! The total really crawled today and it looks like we'll hit the 400k mark tomorrow.
@CaptKaruthors: Congrats on the battlepod! Out of curiosity, is the torso hollow?
Can't tell you how many times I wanted to smack Rick upside the head as I recently rewatched the Macross portion of Robotech. And shove Minmei out an airlock.
Indeed... now that there are newer kickstarters out, we'll be dropped faster than Lisa Hayes every time that incestuous teenage tart Minemi walked by Rick Hunter! The total really crawled today and it looks like we'll hit the 400k mark tomorrow.
@CaptKaruthors: Congrats on the battlepod! Out of curiosity, is the torso hollow?
Can't tell you how many times I wanted to smack Rick upside the head as I recently rewatched the Macross portion of Robotech. And shove Minmei out an airlock.
LOL, yeah. I've been rewatching the show for the first time in over almost two decades from beginnng to end and he is such an idiot! There was a website recently that called macross the best love story around and I'll have to disagree. The only things I learned about love from Rick Hunter are that:
1) if you've got a woman who loves you and shares your interests, you need to string her along and focus instead on the jailbait capricious tart who would rather flirt with her own family member and string you along.
2) if your friend tells you that you he's marrying a woman he just met, has almost nothing in common with, and that they were literally at each others' throats right before the proposal, you need to explain to him that he needs to rethink the decision... unless of course she's hot. In that case, you give him your blessing and tell him that you'd hit that too.
warboss wrote: 2) if your friend tells you that you he's marrying a woman he just met, has almost nothing in common with, and that they were literally at each others' throats right before the proposal, you need to explain to him that he needs to rethink the decision... unless of course she's hot. In that case, you give him your blessing and tell him that you'd hit that too.
Sounds like me and my wife. So I did learn something from Robotech after all.
I'm hoping this backer slump is going to end soon. Kind of sad seeing a good stretch and a flatline of pledges/backers.
I don't want to keep talking about the slump and maybe exacerbating it even more so I'll change the subject.
I do hope they tweak the proposed squadron changes they posted earlier. I was a bit surprised that you could field horde veritech squadrons of 8 but not the anime prototypical squad of 3 (rick, max, ben). At the size of those models and bases, I think 6-9 should be the max for zentraedi (especially with the respawn mechanic they have) and 2-4 feels right personally for veritechs. Max and Miriya... Rick, Roy, and two redshirts in VF-1As.... Rick, Max, and Ben... those are all illegal combos that you can't field with what they posted unfortunately.
Also, what do you guys think of a catachan or hunter green zentraedi paint scheme? I'll likely go for that for all my zents as opposed to just the FPAs.
I am not sure this is too much of the slump, there seems to be a lot of issues on Amazon at the moment and getting pledges registered.
That said there is a lot going on to compete for everyones money at the moment and much as we would like to, we cannot back everything.
In some ways this might be a good thing as if funding had continued at the early rate then I feel that we would have seen a lot of wishful thinking stretches that would push back the release date. As others have mentioned I would prefer a solid core release on time and then if funded stagger some of the icing in early next year.
Can anyone explain to me how kickstarter works? I grew up with Robotech on TV and with the toys. Everytime I see this thread and the models I get estatic, so I might contribute.
combat engineer wrote: Can anyone explain to me how kickstarter works? I grew up with Robotech on TV and with the toys. Everytime I see this thread and the models I get estatic, so I might contribute.
combat engineer wrote: Can anyone explain to me how kickstarter works? I grew up with Robotech on TV and with the toys. Everytime I see this thread and the models I get estatic, so I might contribute.
Mat
The short form is you 'contribute' to the project and in return you get certain rewards.
It looks and feels a lot like you're preordering something but there are legal differences in that you're not a customer but a donor.
So there's more risk, but if people believe in the organizer and want the project to happen they'll pay.
400k hit! Artillery pods are now available as an add on (and we know some will go free to the higher boxes if we hit enough backers by the end), next goals are;
2200 backers (24 away as of posting), probably hit this tomorrow, perhaps tonight, adds a Phalanx and a Spartan to all Battlecry and higher tiers.
430k: 2 more destroids to every core game (so a combination of 4 Tomahawks and Defenders).
Indeed, that's a good reminder. One goal down and one more to go hopefully today. In order to motivate some pledging, I've linked the Macross saga intro with alternate music. Anyone still sporting a mullet who has air guitar within arm's reach is obligated to jam along.
WARNING: This video has a moderate risk of choking on 80's nostalgia for viewers age 30 and up.
warboss wrote: Max and Miriya... Rick, Roy, and two redshirts in VF-1As.... Rick, Max, and Ben... those are all illegal combos that you can't field with what they posted unfortunately.
Think of the extra VFs as ablative armor that were shot down as soon as they took off, and suddenly it all makes sense!
@IceRaptor: Yeah, but I think I'd prefer simply being able to field a legal squadron without sending some farmboy off to die first.
It looks like male power armor will likely be the next goal.
So my dividends from the weekend are a free two pack of destroids that I previously didn't get any sculpts of that still form a legal single unit with the others with another two free destroids likely to be funded within 2 days. I'm ok with that!
edited: apparently the text gives us a hint to the add on as well as the pic. We seem to be getting the male power armor at $450k for $20 per 3 models.
Indeed. It's not my fault that you get the super fast mod 56k netzero connection courtesy of Lego and I don't!
The preview is of a male zentraedi power armor btw. It's one of few remaining completely original sculpts left of mecha. The other that comes to mind being the zentraedi female power armor as opposed to upgraded versions of existing mechs like the super veritech). It's basically a squad level elite unit that male officers and talented grunts commonly used in groups (as opposed to the officer battle pod that tends to be solo amongst regular pods). I suspect they'll save the female power armor till almost the end though.
Going through the list of probably future stretch goals, I can come up with the following:
4 spartans/gladiators add on upgrade 3 support pods add on upgrade female power armor add on 3 female power armor add on upgrade super veritech add on armored veritech add on
There are others that I'd find likely (like adding 2 support pod upgrade bits to the core set free) as well as the non-mechs that might make a showing but the above would be considered the no brainers by most folks given what's in the series and what trends the KS has been following.
I suspect the fact that adding those two destroids still results in a legal squad is a strong pro whereas adding two gnerls gives you two illegal models that you can't use in a regular game is a big con.
So, if you are in at the Battlecry level or higher, and we get all of the current listed stretch goals, you would have 2 legal Veritech Squadrons and 1 Destroid Squadron. That's 240 points. If you used the head from the bunus Veritech to make another VF-1S, then you could have an upgrade for each Veritech Squadron.
I have no idea how different Battle Pod options work, but you could have the following using the current models...
1x Regult Attack Squadron: 1x Glaug and 9x Regults
+1x Reconnaissance Battlepod upgrade
+2x Light or Heavy Artillery Regults upgrade
Why two gnerls? Wouldn't it be 3? And I'd get a legal size cause I have showdown (x2 to all units).
No idea... I just took a guess and said two since there were two destroids just added. I think their minimum squad size of 6 for zentraedi is just a bad idea overall as I firmly believe that individual add-ons should give you a legal squad to field. If they're worried about MSU spam (to borrow a 40k phrase), they could just make a rule that a second squad can't be bought until the first zentraedi one reaches 6 models.
Alpharius wrote: I was wondering about how sustainable this game can be, or will it largely be considered 'self-contained' in that we'll basically have 2 sides only?
Mr. Siembieda said he wants to do all of Robotech, so the game itself will (all else being equal) have more than "2 sides."
I was wondering about how sustainable this game can be, or will it largely be considered 'self-contained' in that we'll basically have 2 sides only?
Or maybe 3, once the Invid show up?
Here my lack of Robotech knowledge betrays me...
this will about cover all the conceivable factions for the show's timeline plus concurrent events:
Anti-Unification League (against the UN world government)
United Nations / United Earth Defense Force / Robotech Defense Force
Hostile Zentraedi (pre-Exedore peace talks, all of Dolza's forces)
Allied Zentraedi (post-Exedore peace talks, Breetai and Azonia's forced allied with the UN/UEDF/RDF)
Malcontents (post-Zentraedi Holocaust, previously Allied Zentraedi as well as Human Rebels)
The Army of the Southern Cross (formed during the uprisings, eventually takes military control of Earth after the Expeditionary Force leaves)
Robotech Masters (defense forces at Tirol and other locations)
Robotech Masters (hostile forces that attack Earth to find protoculture factory)
Regiss Invid (hostile, actively fighting Zentraedi and Masters)
Regent Invid (all went to Earth)
United Earth Expeditionary Force / Robotech Expeditionary Force
Earth Resistance (during the Invid occupation)
I was wondering about how sustainable this game can be, or will it largely be considered 'self-contained' in that we'll basically have 2 sides only?
Or maybe 3, once the Invid show up?
Here my lack of Robotech knowledge betrays me...
The simplest way to explain it would be that the show "Robotech" is an amalgam of 3 different anime sources that details three distinct but related alien invasions so you'll have a minimum of 6 armies (two sides per era). Since it spans over 20 years (and is made from 3 different sources), the "humans" get three distinct looking armies that will likely each be an individual faction. The aliens also constitute different factions so you'll end up with three there. On top of that, you'll probably have 40k style allies either as an army rule or with combined units between some of the factions. The macross units they posted already had the "malcontent" combined human/zentraedi forces (which can be used both for the "good" and "bad" guys) so the idea of allies will likely continue. Left over Macross units fighting with southern cross were in the RPG so I don't see why they wouldn't allow it (as well as with REF units in the third series). The zentraedi that are the aliens in this kickstarter were the slave clone bred soldiers of the Robotech Masters so they'll likely to be able to pair up with each other. And this is just from the traditional robotech series for the most part and ignores what they may or may not take from shadow chronicles and sentinels (later sequels to the traditional "robotech" series).
I was wondering about how sustainable this game can be, or will it largely be considered 'self-contained' in that we'll basically have 2 sides only?
Depends on what material they go through. Just covering the television series, they'll get essentially 6 'factions'. UEDF versus Zentradi (Macross Saga), ASC versus Robotech Masters (Southern Cross) and REF versus Invid (Next Generation). Those basically align to the good versus bad guys in each series.
If they expand to the Sentinels universe, there's a new raft of models that mixes influences from the ASC and REF with the Zentradi into some new designs. There are also some different Invid designs (Inorganics) and probably you could mine the other worlds explored in the McKinney books for ideas (not sure of the copyright on those).
There's also a fifth possible timeframe, which would be the Malcontent Uprisings, set between the Macross and Southern Cross segments. That featured some different designs but they were mostly UEDF versus 'cobbled together' Zentradi forces. Still, you could probably get a handful of models out of it.
I'll be surprised if they won't try to expand to a Rifts wargame, assuming this goes well.
I'm hoping for more free stuff. Last christmas was great cause I got FW goodies. This one looks to be even better. Now that I think about it it's the Christmas I should of had when I was nine years old.lol
Spartan-Kun wrote: I hope they do southern cross soon, I need my hover tanks and ajacs.
To be completely honest, I hope you end up disappointed in that one regard. Palladium stopped pretending that their last two crowdfunding offers were a priority as soon as the paypal claim window closed and Soda's big minis offering is 6 months late so far (who knows if it will be delayed again). I'd rather have them actually get the Macross stuff into the hands of the funders before they even think of offering up another era as a Kickstarter to avoid a Red Box Game situation. There is something about a bird in the hand that applies here...
There's a climatic battle and 90% of the Earth is destroyed and 99% of the Zentrati are killed. Most of the survivors are shrunk down to human size and join human society but some survivors roam the wastes and (in the RPG) ally with warlords/bandits etc. So that allows a mixed faction. If they add in some non-mech tanks/choppers etc it can help flesh out the malcontent faction.
Anyway reading up on Macross vs Robotech the whole rights issue is even more @#$%ed up than I thought.
Harmony Gold can continue to release the original Robotech stories, and can release their own DVDs of the original Macross in the US, but cannot create derivative works based on Macross (or its Big West stablemate Southern Cross).
However, they can create derivative content based on Mospeada, which was wholly owned by Tatsunoko in the first place.
In addition, they effectively have veto rights for the imports and English translation of Macross merchandise and series that are not covered by the original license. Consequently, all Macross productions with the exception of the original series, Macross Plus and Macross II Lovers Again (the latter two were "snuck in" under Harmony Gold's radar at a time when their TV production and licensing divisions were badly savaged by a "headhunting" raid by Haim Saban. By the time HG could have contested it, it was too late.) * are blocked from being sold or translated in North America, and under Harmony Gold's interpretation, Shoji Kawamori cannot make or distribute his own drawings and designs within North America. (This has not made them popular.)
Consequently Harmony Gold's more recent sequels, most notably the completely original feature-length film Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles, are all set in or after the part of the Robotech timeline drawn from Mospeada.
The fact that HG can only create 'derived works' from Mospeada PROBABLY means that Palladium cannot include any of their own Macross era creations (alternate destroids, next-gen veritechs and the like) nor can they use their Neo-Soviets as a faction (not that anyone was too impressed with them).
So it looks like if it wasn't on screen they can't include it.
At least not till they do Mospeada/New Generation.
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Spartan-Kun wrote: I hope they do southern cross soon, I need my hover tanks and ajacs.
The nice thing about Southern Cross is it was more of an even fight rather than 1 ship against SEVERAL MILLION others. But I'd like to see Palladium can do this game before they bite off a whole new era.
Spartan-Kun wrote: I hope they do southern cross soon, I need my hover tanks and ajacs.
To be completely honest, I hope you end up disappointed in that one regard. Palladium stopped pretending that their last two crowdfunding offers were a priority as soon as the paypal claim window closed and Soda's big minis offering is 6 months late so far (who knows if it will be delayed again). I'd rather have them actually get the Macross stuff into the hands of the funders before they even think of offering up another era as a Kickstarter to avoid a Red Box Game situation. There is something about a bird in the hand that applies here...
Don't get me wrong, I'm very excited about this and I want this to go without a hitch. I'm merely being optomistic.
Ugh. . . cant wait for the 9th. . . want to help fund this KS. . . hmmmmm what would be a good amount? Any ideas?
Sadly I will have to convert the VF-1's so that they can have wings swept. Since the demo video stated that they were mainly there for movement then wings swept makes the most sense.
Hmmmmmmm still wonder what level I shoud get in on and what addons would be a good idea. . . I am thinking the $140 level but I can allocate up to $300 ish to this no problem. . . Is the Showdown worth it?
@Lysenis, It all depends what you want out of it, but if the add ons continue getting better, 2x Showdown is a great choice, and it leaves you enough for a MAC II. If your looking at more variety in units then Battlecry might be the level for you, just depends on the extras you want.
Lysenis wrote: Ugh. . . cant wait for the 9th. . . want to help fund this KS. . . hmmmmm what would be a good amount? Any ideas?
Sadly I will have to convert the VF-1's so that they can have wings swept. Since the demo video stated that they were mainly there for movement then wings swept makes the most sense.
Hmmmmmmm still wonder what level I shoud get in on and what addons would be a good idea. . . I am thinking the $140 level but I can allocate up to $300 ish to this no problem. . . Is the Showdown worth it?
As stated earlier, they don't charge you a penny until the end of the Kickstarter so you don't necessarily have to wait for the 9th but there isn't much incentive to get in earlier except in raising the pledge total and pledger numbers quicker. If anything, pledge for $1 (put in that amount and select no reward) just to get the pledger number up for that goal and then increase your pledge on the 9th if you don't believe us or the kickstarter faq.
As for what level is right, it's hard to tell right now since we don't know exactly how much you'll end up getting with the $140 freebie sweet spot level. I'd say if the most important thing for you is variety of models/units, go for the $80 core set and then just pick up a legal squad of each add on to make sure you get one squad of each model. The core set will give you one veritech squadron of 4, one large zentraedi pod squadron of 12, and one destroid squadron of 4 with the currently known stretch goals. If your priority isn't necessarily variety but rather lots of models, get the $140 freebie pledge and then add on the legal squadrons of add-ons you like.
It was indeed reached while they slept but they're likely still sleeping as I believe they commented that their home base in the the Pacific timezone. I'd expect an update email in the next few hours that hopefully includes a male power armor render. Just a recap for those who don't really keep track, here's a quick blurb about what models you're getting after the current stretch goal is met for the two most common pledge levels:
Everything under First Contact
+ Rick $15
+ Roy $15
+ 2 VF-1A (6 total) $25
+ 1 VF-1 A/J/S $15
+ 1 Destroid Spartan $10
+ 1 Destroid Phalanx $10
+ 1 Glaug $10
+ 1 Recon Pod $10
+ 9 Pods $37.5
So you're getting at Battlecry $140+ worth of add on goodies for the cost of the $60 pledge increase and that will only increase over the next 3 weeks.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The nice thing about Southern Cross is it was more of an even fight rather than 1 ship against SEVERAL MILLION others. But I'd like to see Palladium can do this game before they bite off a whole new era.
Technically it was one ship plus the one-million-ship Imperial Fleet against Dolza's Main Fleet with 4.8 million ships.
It was indeed reached while they slept but they're likely still sleeping as I believe they commented that their home base in the the Pacific timezone. I'd expect an update email in the next few hours that hopefully includes a male power armor render. Just a recap for those who don't really keep track, here's a quick blurb about what models you're getting after the current stretch goal is met for the two most common pledge levels:
Everything under First Contact
+ Rick $15
+ Roy $15
+ 2 VF-1A (6 total) $25
+ 1 VF-1 A/J/S $15
+ 1 Destroid Spartan $10
+ 1 Destroid Phalanx $10
+ 1 Glaug $10
+ 1 Recon Pod $10
+ 9 Pods $37.5
So you're getting at Battlecry $140+ worth of add on goodies for the cost of the $60 pledge increase and that will only increase over the next 3 weeks.
So my orginal thought of Battle Cry was a good one. hmmmmm what about the Showdown? is it worth it first of all so should I just get add ons so that my models with be of a more vast aray?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The nice thing about Southern Cross is it was more of an even fight rather than 1 ship against SEVERAL MILLION others. But I'd like to see Palladium can do this game before they bite off a whole new era.
Technically it was one ship plus the one-million-ship Imperial Fleet against Dolza's Main Fleet with 4.8 million ships.
Also, the Grand Cannon certainly wiped out a fairly massive number of ships. I mean, when you have 4.8 million you have forces to spare, but it was still a hell of a shot.
At Showdown (not officially yet, just in funding pledged until I'm absolutely certain my buddy won't have to pull funding) I think I'm getting a pretty damned fine deal, and having someone else in with me does take the sting out of some of the S&H (of course $25 apiece isn't really that much better than $30 solo I suppose).
Now it's mainly a question of how many add ons I and my friends get. I've got at least 3 others who'll likely be snagging something in alongside the two of us, though I'm not sure we'll see enough demand for full boxes to justify a Reckless tier pledge. I suppose if 3 of us end up there, getting a 4th box and splitting the contents/swag for use and/or sale might not be a terrible idea, but I'm giving it a few weeks to really make as close to an informed choice as possible.
Depending on what ends up in the bonus receiving tiers, I might end up snagging a pack of Gnerls, Male/Female Power Armour and a MAC II, but that presumably becomes around $100 (depending on the FPA box cost) and doesn't necessarily even make legal squads... yeah, definitely going to need to wait to make an informed choice on some of that.
Forar wrote: Now it's mainly a question of how many add ons I and my friends get. I've got at least 3 others who'll likely be snagging something in alongside the two of us, though I'm not sure we'll see enough demand for full boxes to justify a Reckless tier pledge.
Just remember to try and convince them to pledge $1 for the pledger number goals. Those 3 others make up 1% of what we need to complete ALL the current pledger goals.
Lysenis wrote:I am going for something that will give me a good amount of units to run a few RPG games as well as teach people the TTG. Thoughts? *SNIP* So my orginal thought of Battle Cry was a good one. hmmmmm what about the Showdown? is it worth it first of all so should I just get add ons so that my models with be of a more vast aray?
While I've never run or played in a Robotech RPG game with the current rules, I did both with the previous almost identical ones and I'd probably push you towards variety. In an RPG setting, you'll end up with multiple "characters" that will likely decimate pod squadrons. Combined with the palladium RPGs more loosy goosey range rules (as opposed to the strict grid system of D&D 3+), you'll likely be fine with each pod and a die being a squadron counter. It might be better to make sure you have at least one of every model for that. If you can fit that in your budget with the $140 level at the end of the KS once the freebies are completely determined, stick with it for the extra VF-1As and battlepods. Showdown to my understanding is effectively two of everything in battlecry so just multiply stuff by 2.
@Spartan: Shipping is included in each pledge for US customers.
$430,000 Hit! Every Boxed Game Upgraded!
Update #33 · Apr 30, 2013 · 12 comments
This was a big one, now EVERY boxed game will be upgraded with two additional Destroids that can be built as either Tomahawks or Defenders!
$450,000 Stretch Goal
NOUSJADEUL-GER POWER ARMOR
You've been clamoring for the Zentraedi Power Armors, and here comes the first of them! Once we reach $450,000 we will be able to make the Nousjadeul-Ger "Male" Power Armor which will be available as an optional Purchase Add-on.
Pledge Manager
We've received many questions about whether or not we will have a pledge manager at the end of the Kickstarter that will allow you to add more funds. The answer is, "Yes!"
After the Kickstarter is over we provide you with a link to a pledge manager. In the pledge manager you will be able to give us your shipping information, what add-ons you want to use your extra funds towards, and even increase your pledge (via credit card) if you decide you want more stuff.
Once we get closer to the end of the Kickstarter we will release more detailed instructions on the pledge manager.
Also remember that if you want to help unlock all the great stretch goals it is best to pledge during the actual Kickstarter!
warboss wrote: Just remember to try and convince them to pledge $1 for the pledger number goals. Those 3 others make up 1% of what we need to complete ALL the current pledger goals.
Oh, I've already done so. I'll have to check back in to make sure they did it.
On one hand, PB/ND might get annoyed if too many people try to clearly game the system.
On the other hand, pledging $1 to keep tabs, comment and get the updates is a common KS thing, so as long as some resourceful type doesn't get like 50 people to bump the number up in the space of a few minutes, I imagine it'd be hard to combat.
Even if they wanted to. Even a little gaming of the system still lets them say "oh wow look at all these backers!!".
I wouldn't expect much progress on any kickstarter today as the Amazon payment system has apparently crashed for the second time this past week. I really wish they'd offer up paypal as an alternative. It has it's own serious issues (namely with withholding cash from legitimate people) but an alternative would be nice.
warboss wrote: I wouldn't expect much progress on any kickstarter today as the Amazon payment system has apparently crashed for the second time this week. I really wish they'd offer up paypal as an alternative. It has it's own serious issues (namely with withholding cash from legitimate people) but an alternative would be nice.
Same here. I had to go thru the misses amazon account. So much from hiding it from her.
Amazon's payment processing has been crashing and giving error codes for a good chunk of the day, sadly impacting today's numbers.
Well, we really wanted to post an update today, so we figured why wait? We have plenty of cool stuff to show you!
People are clamoring for more rules info, so we had our trusty rules scribe, David Freeman write up a rules overview for you.
Please note that these are NOT complete rules. It is an overview that only reflects where the rules are in their current stage of development. Things can and will change.
Nonetheless, feel free to post your thoughts in the comments section of the update. We probably can't answer all of your questions at this stage, but we'll definitely be reading.
Hopefully, in the meantime, Amazon will get everything sorted out so we can renew what had been a swift climb to the Nousjadeul-Ger Power Armor!
The pledge total also seems to be climbing for the first time in several hours so it looks like this particular amazon payment breakdown is over. From the units referenced in the above rules, it looks like the VEF-1 electronic warfare valkryie variant will be coming out in the KS as well as a future goal.
Indeed. I did notice those but honestly I expected them. The VEF-1 was a bit of a surprise. We should have a preview of the next goal in another few hours as well.
Spartan-Kun wrote: and the next goal is at 500k and is a freebie, a 50k freebie stretch. Wonder what it is...
I'm actually hoping there is a 475k goal in between but I guess we'll find out in about $500. A 50k jump without a big seller like the female power armor might cause another slowdown.
edit: and now we've lost a few backers and dropped down to needing $1200.
Cypher-xv wrote: I wonder what that last pic is all about. Probably more zentradi reinforcements ala FPA.
Its showing the scene where Khyron's fleet arrives and defolds too close to Breetai's command ship. I'm guessing the free bonus at 500k is a Khyron special character fig. Lots of updating to do in the first post with all these welcome changes.
Sounds good to me. I wonder what will make it different from the regular officers pod? Visually I mean. When nd finally comes out with FPA I hope it's as posable as the veritechs.
Cypher-xv wrote: Sounds good to me. I wonder what will make it different from the regular officers pod? Visually I mean. When nd finally comes out with FPA I hope it's as posable as the veritechs.
I'm hoping that he'll have the cockpit raised and you see him in armor inside. He frequently opens his cockpit to either gloat or vent his anger in the show.
I went in at Battlecry + some. I asked a question about the models and here is the answer:
Palladium Books says:
Hi
The pieces are unassembled and unpainted. We will be running some hobby articles after release to show some easy ways to get your force looking nice with minimal cost and effort.
Once you assemble them they are fixed. However, in the comments section many people are discussing ways to magnetize the arms for added versatility.
I'm definitely planning to use magnets to let my Artillery pods be light or heavy as needed. If the only change is the missiles on their back, it should be a pretty simple procedure, even for a modelling noob like me.
Might look at doing something similar with some of the Destroids, depending on how much goes into differentiating them, and how anal retentive I'm feeling of their appearance (ie; do I just build them into whatever and differentiate similarly to the Artillery pods by just swapping out the arms, even if there's more separating them than that?)
Forar wrote: I'm definitely planning to use magnets to let my Artillery pods be light or heavy as needed. If the only change is the missiles on their back, it should be a pretty simple procedure, even for a modelling noob like me.
(ie; do I just build them into whatever and differentiate similarly to the Artillery pods by just swapping out the arms, even if there's more separating them than that?)
I like that idea. I like the idea of a tomahawk build with defender arms. Now I really can't wait till Dec. since this KS has begun I've hardly looked at anything to do with GW.
In about 4 hours time (5pm EST) I'm going to finally, officially change from my current tier (Blitzkrieg) to Reckless, as 2 of my friends are buying in (2 sets for 1 guy, 1 for another and 1 for me), which actually works out to save me nearly $20 on my box, so hooray for that.
So just an FYI. I have no idea how long it takes Kickstarter to update based on tier changes, but around 5pm tonight there'll be a Blitzkrieg (Early Bird of Battle Cry) available.
Forar wrote: btw, people asked for a heads up, so here it is;
In about 4 hours time (5pm EST) I'm going to finally, officially change from my current tier (Blitzkrieg) to Reckless, as 2 of my friends are buying in (2 sets for 1 guy, 1 for another and 1 for me), which actually works out to save me nearly $20 on my box, so hooray for that.
So just an FYI. I have no idea how long it takes Kickstarter to update based on tier changes, but around 5pm tonight there'll be a Blitzkrieg (Early Bird of Battle Cry) available.
Depends on how they do the models. If we get 8 torsos, sure. If we get 4 with bits to modify one into the other, then the next defining feature (in my eyes) would be the arms.
On further inspection, full torsos might indeed just be the easiest way to do them. I thought they were more similar than it appears they might be.
Cool, thanks for the update and the heads up to dakkites; looks like someone snapped it up quick!
We've hit the 2400 pledgers goal as well so all core sets are upgraded to plastic including an apparently 40k style 5" blast template for big shots like the MAC II.
We have reached 2400 backers, the weapons template in the boxed game will now be upgraded from card to plastic!
The image shown below is just a rough mock-up but the template measures 5 inches across and is used to represent VERY LARGE EXPLOSIONS!!! The sort of explosions that things like Mk.II Monsters like to make....
Next up on the Strength in Numbers queue is free Bonus Support Battlepods to every pledge of Battle Cry or higher. We only need 2600 backers to do it!
We're also steadily marching towards upgrading the Spartan Pack. We'll do another teaser of the $500k stretch goal here at $460k
I'm late to the party, but I'm surprised at how *much* stuff is going to be in this kickstarter. Last I checked it was way less per base set.
Sign me up for that Mk2 Monster. It was always the coolest mecha in the series anyway.
Their goal is supposedly to get the entire macross series done in the KS. Hopefully that broad scope won't delay the arrival like with so many other KSs. It's not really the case here but the comments on the kickstarter can get a bit entitled. The kickstarter "suffers" a bit from people knowing exactly what they can make and they wanted it right way in the first few days and they wanted it free. The freebie tier was indeed a bit lackluster in the beginning when compared with two of the core sets but the value of the former would only increase. It's not a Myth level of freebies but then again Myth wasn't an 80's tv and toy phenomenon and has to build up that playerbase instead of tapping into an existing thirsty one like robotech. Either way, I'm happy with my blitzkrieg tier and I've gotten 4 extra destroids free over the past 5 and I've got another 3 zentraedi likely to unlock in the next few days (2 support pods and the hinted Khyron freebie). That's a pretty darn good return on my initial pledge and it'll only get better, especially in what I expect to be a big rush in the final 48 hours.
edit: And the 500k stretch goal has been officially announced:
Khyron's Glaug Battlepod will be unlocked at $500,000. His Glaug will feature a unique pose and a removable cockpit canopy revealing the hotheaded commander himself.
Khyron will be available as a free BONUS to all pledges of Battle Cry and above.
He will also be available as an optional Purchase Add-on for $15 for those of you who just can't get enough Khyron, or just want some extra unique poses for your Glaugs.
Looks like they had the same idea (or were inspired by mine) of having the opened cockpit zentraedi special character models. Sweet! It doesn't mention him as a limited edition for the kickstarter like rick and roy though. Also, Roy was the 260k stretch and with Khyron coming in at 500k, it looks like we get a special character roughly on the 250k intervals. Maybe max at 750k and miriya at the 1 mill mark?
Thristy is an understatment. To hear it put by a few of my friends, fans were becoming insatiatible.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On a super side note. I wonder how tall the Battloids are. . . I dont think they are the full 70mm but I can only really extimate off of the game vid. . .
Automatically Appended Next Post: Miriya and Max would be EPIC! Though I think those 2 will be the most OP of the units just because they are THE best pilots in Macross saga (if memory recalls right)
Really hoping to see armored veritechs before anymore characters. I know I am being greedy but I want as many of the basic pieces as possible. I can add characters like Max etc later on.
Well it's almost at the halfway mark and they're running low on mecha!
Here's what I see
Mandatory Super Veritech
Armored Veritech
Female Power Armor
Terrain (card or plastic)
Possible Cats Eye Recon
Ghost
Conventional vehicles
Zentradi on foot
Breetai or other Zentradi special characters on foot
Static defenses (ie the guns on the SDF-1 or Zentradi ships)
More special characters VTs (Max and Miraya)
Giant holographic Lynn Minmei molded in translucent pink with a sound chip
Am I missing anything? So that might take some of the wind of their sails (and sales) if all that's left is upping what you get, which might even lead people to drop their pledges.
I still haven't pledged. My inner child says yes! yes! yes! my outer adult looks that closet of dead minis and shakes his head.
Lysenis wrote: Thristy is an understatment. To hear it put by a few of my friends, fans were becoming insatiatible.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On a super side note. I wonder how tall the Battloids are. . . I dont think they are the full 70mm but I can only really extimate off of the game vid. . .
Automatically Appended Next Post: Miriya and Max would be EPIC! Though I think those 2 will be the most OP of the units just because they are THE best pilots in Macross saga (if memory recalls right)
Nostalgia is a MoFo.
I'm in for $500 and that will climb, I promise you.
In regards to height, search my posts in this thread, you will find what you seek.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Well it's almost at the halfway mark and they're running low on mecha!
Here's what I see
Mandatory Super Veritech
Armored Veritech
Female Power Armor
Terrain (card or plastic)
Possible Cats Eye Recon
Ghost
Conventional vehicles
Zentradi on foot
Breetai or other Zentradi special characters on foot
Static defenses (ie the guns on the SDF-1 or Zentradi ships)
More special characters VTs (Max and Miraya)
Giant holographic Lynn Minmei molded in translucent pink with a sound chip
Am I missing anything? So that might take some of the wind of their sails (and sales) if all that's left is upping what you get, which might even lead people to drop their pledges.
I still haven't pledged. My inner child says yes! yes! yes! my outer adult looks that closet of dead minis and shakes his head.
Yeah, they're running low on mecha but they're also reaching a pledge total where reasonable pledgers should expect larger stretch goals. I expect goals at about 10% of the current total and we're running a bit behind; looking at big kickstarters like Dwarven Forge, the goals ended up at 100k apart at the end IIRC.
Conventional vehicles is a category that could include over 6 models depending on how detailed you want to get. They could also do the booster pods for both the glaug and veritech as well but I think they'd be of limited in game use. I frankly expect 2 artillery pods in each core as a future stretch goal as well. Then there's Miriya in a FPA as opposed to the veritech (which I find a bit less likely). As for bigger vehicles, I'd expect that the "biggee" if any for the zentraedi side would be the theatre scout pod. Although the anime had it horribly oversized at times in certain scenes, it's not too much out of the ballpark of the existing MAC II and would be an interesting visual counterpart in terms of size (but more useful in terms of maybe command points than sheer firepower).
The preview rules have already confirmed they're bringing the Macross Movie Strike Valkyrie in to the fold. Assuming the Super Valkyrie kit will have options to make both.
It also confirmed the VE-1 Elintseeker recon/EW Valkyrie, which should be totes cool.
judgedoug wrote: The preview rules have already confirmed they're bringing the Macross Movie Strike Valkyrie in to the fold. Assuming the Super Valkyrie kit will have options to make both.
It also confirmed the VE-1 Elintseeker recon/EW Valkyrie, which should be totes cool.
Are you sure it's the DYRL strike Valkyrie? I saw just the simple reference to armored and super veritechs in the preview rules but nothing that would indicate the movie version. I assume by "movie version" you mean the variant used that differs from the TV one, namely with a giant barrel sticking out of one of the booster jets.
@talon: They sure are but I'm referring to including two in each core set. I see that as the next core set minis upgrade similar to the recent destroid boost whereas what you're bringing up is a blitzkrieg+ freebie only. Adding two arty pods still keeps the zentraedi forces legal but gives them some variety at the cost of likely just a single sprue. They wouldn't even have to include two extra pods in all likelihood if they designed the sprue right.
judgedoug wrote: The preview rules have already confirmed they're bringing the Macross Movie Strike Valkyrie in to the fold. Assuming the Super Valkyrie kit will have options to make both.
It also confirmed the VE-1 Elintseeker recon/EW Valkyrie, which should be totes cool.
Are you sure it's the DYRL strike Valkyrie? I saw just the simple reference to armored and super veritechs in the preview rules but nothing that would indicate the movie version. I assume by "movie version" you mean the variant used that differs from the TV one, namely with a giant barrel sticking out of one of the booster jets.
Yup, the Strike only exists in Ai Oboete Imasuka. Dual particle beam cannons replace the right missile housing.
"VF-1S – 30 pts: Special, added to the core Valkyrie Squadron.
• Add 1 VF-1S to your Valkyrie core force card squadron. No more than a total of 2 VF-1S variants (normal, armored, super or strike) can be included in your army."
and
"VEF-1 – 30 Pts: Support, added to the core Valkyrie Squadron.
• Add 1 VEF-1 to your Valkyrie core force card squadron."
Lysenis wrote: Thristy is an understatment. To hear it put by a few of my friends, fans were becoming insatiatible.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On a super side note. I wonder how tall the Battloids are. . . I dont think they are the full 70mm but I can only really extimate off of the game vid. . .
Automatically Appended Next Post: Miriya and Max would be EPIC! Though I think those 2 will be the most OP of the units just because they are THE best pilots in Macross saga (if memory recalls right)
Nostalgia is a MoFo.
I'm in for $500 and that will climb, I promise you.
In regards to height, search my posts in this thread, you will find what you seek.
So I checked the Flickr page with the Pod vs Wasp in height. Now there is no tape measure there but it looked to me that they were on a cutting mat which has (usually) 1"x1" squares so I used that. If my estimate is correct than the Pod is about 70mm (2.7"ish) tall so the Batloids are roughtly that tall as well. (good means that I can raise the bases and use them for Tau suits ((Yes I know Talon your not a big fan of the Tau)) )
We should hit that 475k mark tonight (we've been hovering a few thousand short of it for a while, are Amazon Payments down again, or just another slump?), and nice as it'd be to tear through 500k sometime tomorrow, I'm hedging my bets on during the weekend.
From there we'll have 15-16 days (basically the half way mark) for all the figures everyone's clamouring for along with some improvements to the boxes. Having a "legal unit" of a given figure in the box or available as a reasonably price add-on would be something I'd appreciate.
At least the Gnerl Fighters are down to $30 for a squad of 6 from their original $60 (not that we knew how many were in a squadron until recently).
On one hand, I'm not expecting to make it out of this without some kind of add ons. On the other hand, I'm not sure I'll be able to justify $100+ in add ons just to have 1 pack of each figure, especially if half of those aren't available in general play without some bending of how units/sides are built.
If it was the case it would make sense, in the show the Battlepods were noticeably taller than the Valkyries. Keep in mind that they're vehicles for people who naturally are the size of the Valkyrie.
Battloids are about 45mm tall, Regults are about 61mm tall.
Where does that info come from? Have you seen a picture?
from way back in the comments section when we asked about heights. the maths were done from the heights listed on robotech infopedia, divided by 285, and they confirmed that was about right.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There's also the official size chart
http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/mechahot/sizechart-2.jpg where if you measure from Valkyrie in Battloid mode's foot to head, it goes up to about the bottom of the Regult's particle cannons / above the sensor eye.
Did I miss a picture of Robotech Mini's as compared to other minis?
Also, laminating isn't that expensive, I've done it for several of my Battletech record sheets. It turns out, though, that simply reprinting Record sheets from the PDF's, or Heavy Metal programs is cheaper.
megatrons2nd wrote: Did I miss a picture of Robotech Mini's as compared to other minis?
Yup, somewhere in the first 5-10 updates they put up a pic comparing a robotech fig to a space marine. There likely is a bigger version of the pic floating around but this is the one I got with a quick google search.
And I missed the new backer goals in the latest update somehow. Thanks to UN Test Pilot for pointing that out. With a rough average of around 65 backers per day in the past week, we should blow through the current pledger goal plus these three new ones in about the next 10 days or so leaving plenty of time for yet another series in the last 8 days (especially with the final 48 hour rushes you usually see with big kickstarters). Over the past week or so, I've gotten 4 free destroids and will get 3 free battlepods (two arty, one khyron) with goals over the weekend. That's not too shabby! Next week sounds almost as lucrative with another 2 destroids and 2 pods plus whatever stretch goals pop up!
Well, they got me. Battlecry it is. And since those backer goals will likely be met, I now only need to buy 2 packs of gnerls and maybe a set of male power armor and a set of female power armor (when available). $210 is more than I was thinking I'd spend, but I refuse to miss out on that extra bit of variety!
recruittons wrote: Well, they got me. Battlecry it is. And since those backer goals will likely be met, I now only need to buy 2 packs of gnerls and maybe a set of male power armor and a set of female power armor (when available). $210 is more than I was thinking I'd spend, but I refuse to miss out on that extra bit of variety!
$200-210 is my max as well. With my early bird blitzkrieg and a MAC II, I've got room for two $20 add ons till I hit my max. I'm hoping to get an armored and super upgrade kit as part of the freebie pledge level but if that doesn't happen then I may have to move some things around and possibly remove the MAC II. I like it but that is one thing I wouldn't necessarily mind buying at the local store to encourage them to sell robotech stuff.
recruittons wrote: Well, they got me. Battlecry it is. And since those backer goals will likely be met, I now only need to buy 2 packs of gnerls and maybe a set of male power armor and a set of female power armor (when available). $210 is more than I was thinking I'd spend, but I refuse to miss out on that extra bit of variety!
$200-210 is my max as well. With my early bird blitzkrieg and a MAC II, I've got room for two $20 add ons till I hit my max.
If they, at some point, add a respectable amount of FPAs and MPAs to blitzkrieg/battlecry, I'll definitely be getting a MAC II!
Honestly, I don't think either will happen. They seem to be adding to the existing legal squadrons in the game and I don't see FPAs or MPAs fitting into that. I see additional special characters like max and miriya as well as things you may need or are allowed only one or two of in a squadron (like super or armored veritechs, artillery pods in the core game, etc) being added as freebies but I doubt they'd start a completely new squadron which is what would be required for gnerls and power armors unless you use malcontents. I certainly won't mind if I'm proven wrong but that's what I expect to unlock as freebies for the next 18 days or so.
What category do the Spartans/Phalanx fit in? Because I was basing it off of them making it into the battlecry from the backer goals. Either way, I'm happy to get a few extras on top of my base pledge, but more is always better
I'm not sure what you mean by category. We've gotten 1 each free this past week and will likely get 1 more free each in the next giving battlecry pledgers a total of 8 destroids. Those 8 destroids can be fielded as two minimum strength squadrons of 4 each or one almost max sized squad of 8 (only missing a MACII). More is usually better but in this case I'd personally rather have two of something that I can use than 3 of something that I can't. I suspect we won't be able to use 2 freebie power armors without "cheating" with the malcontent squadrons.
By "category", I meant can those spartans/phalanx be added to regular destroid squadrons? Sorry if I was unclear. Right now we only have two (but 4 is basically a lock), I was just wondering if they were legal with 2, could be combined with tomahawks/defenders, or if we need 4 for them to be usable.
As for the remark about the power armors, you're right. Maybe they'll be nice and do with then what they're doing with the spartans/phalanx, though and give us enough to use! Or even just a legal squadron of gnerl fighters would be amazing
Yeah, it'd be nice. Like I said, I'm expecting my last two add on fund slots to go towards two power armor add ons assuming I get at least one free armored and super veritech. If they can somehow be fielded as 3 in a squadron, I'd consider getting one add on of each type. Otherwise, I'll go for 6 female power armors instead. If the supers/armored/strike veritechs aren't free upgrades, I'll likely replace my MAC II addon with them instead. Either way, I won't go above my personal spending limit unless they really surprise the hell out of me like with a 4x4 macross themed map and cardstock terrain kit or something.
Here is what they listed as the prelim destroid squadron...
Oh! Okay, so any destroid works in a destroid squad, that's pretty handy!
Depending on the way the freebies and add-ons evolve, I'll decide what I'm getting extra later on. Right now everything is far too much in flux, unfortunately, to make real good calls right now. One of the big drawbacks, and boons, of KS is not knowing what you're getting until the last day!
Considering how popular Robotech is. The Macross portion more as seen on this KS. I would not be surprised if third-party vendors created the unseen Valkyries ala plus, frontier, macross II and so on in this scale? If it can be done for 40K, I don't see why not for this game.
Cypher-xv wrote: Considering how popular Robotech is. The Macross portion more as seen on this KS. I would not be surprised if third-party vendors created the unseen Valkyries ala plus, frontier, macross II and so on in this scale? If it can be done for 40K, I don't see why not for this game.
I can really see this being implemented sometime after the release of the game or before. The same talented folks that make 40k inspired add ons and in some instances new models are probably fans too. I don't see how this could not happen. Especially considering the aesthetics of the other Valkyrie models. So all you people making 40k stuff go make the unseens of the macross universe. You guys can have my money.
Remember make them posable and in three versions of course.
I wouldn't expect to see too many knock-offs with how much HG fights to keep Japanese Macross merch out of America and how much bigger and scarier lawyers Bandai has then GW.
Cyporiean wrote: I wouldn't expect to see too many knock-offs with how much HG fights to keep Japanese Macross merch out of America and how much bigger and scarier lawyers Bandai has then GW.
All Bandai lawyers are trained in Kung Fu and douchebaggery by Master Lynn Kyle himself! Hopefully he'll skip the lesson on borderline incest though.
Some interesting comments from the Ninja/PB crew on the kickstarter. One confirms what is already posted on the front page about MSRP for add ons (although maybe not for the core set) and the other might give us a hint regarding future stretch goals as we wind down the number of possible mecha they can make.
Anything that upgrades the boxed game will upgrade it for the entire production run. MSRP is still uncertain but the Kickstarter prices for especially the add-ons are definitely reduced. –Bargain Ninja
You know what would be really awesome? Terrain that was accurately scaled, affordable, and easy to get. Ya that would be Ninjatastic. –Great Ninja Ancestor
This kickstarter has got the team here super stoked! A lot of painting to do when we get it and also a ton of gaming. Great KS so far 2500+ backers good work ND & PB.
Cyporiean wrote: I wouldn't expect to see too many knock-offs with how much HG fights to keep Japanese Macross merch out of America and how much bigger and scarier lawyers Bandai has then GW.
I'll still hold out for hope. Then again since it might nit happen ill order the micro versions they sell on ebay. Those are a bit of in scale but its all we've got for now I suppose.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: @Albino, this kickstarter has me checking episodes on youtube and y'know they're not bad at all. At least the first 'era' Macross is.
It was Japanese so it escaped a lot of the US restrictions that GI Joe etc had. So in this war people die, even major characters. Heck in the second episode the hero machine guns a Zentrati in the back. By the end of the show whole cities are being nuked from orbit. This is not sanitized.
The sound track is a bit overwrought and Lynn Minmei needs to be gagged (if not spaced) but all in all, still watchable.
If they made a figure of Minmei getting kicked out of a airlock, I would re-mortgage my house to fund this project. She needed to die a horrible horrible death.
Great looking models, looks like a fun game ( I hate IGOUGO games so squad activation like Force on Force, Tomorrows War appeal to me) and its Robotech whats not to love.
I can't wait for Super Dimensional Calvary Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeada ( my fav of the three era's personally) models to come out eventually.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: @Albino, this kickstarter has me checking episodes on youtube and y'know they're not bad at all. At least the first 'era' Macross is.
It was Japanese so it escaped a lot of the US restrictions that GI Joe etc had. So in this war people die, even major characters. Heck in the second episode the hero machine guns a Zentrati in the back. By the end of the show whole cities are being nuked from orbit. This is not sanitized.
The sound track is a bit overwrought and Lynn Minmei needs to be gagged (if not spaced) but all in all, still watchable.
I can't wait for Super Dimensional Calvary Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeada ( my fav of the three era's personally) models to come out eventually.
When I first saw this at nine, I was amazed at what they showed. The love theme isn't bad IMHO. It played great in the episode were earth is sol. Just like the video game I hope the jump strait to GCM bypassing SC. I get the felling if the next ks goes in order it could severely stall the next one.
Update: number of backers and funds has gon up since Europe no longer pays vat.
Edit: Any word on the unseens or should we start a new thread for it?
Unseen? They're in from the beginning. They're the destroids, pods, and valks the game started with.
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dienekes96 wrote: Now that they solved the EU shipping, you overseas slackers had better nut up and get me some free stuff.
Chop, chop!
I'm sure someone will chime in with it but the resolution didn't involve completely free shipping that some people were unrealistically clamoring for but at least they saved a bunch of fees and taxes for EU folks that would have been additional. Hopefully that will increase the relatively lackluster overnight (for the US) totals that have been only climbing 2-3k from midnight to 9 am EST.
EDIT: It seems that the news of the international shipping change has freed up some $70 early bird specials for those interested in getting their feet wet with a deal but not going all in for the $140 mark. There are two available right now.
warboss wrote: Unseen? They're in from the beginning. They're the destroids, pods, and valks the game started with.
I meant third party companies making models from all the macross series (ie valkyries at 1/285). In the same way other parties make space marine accessories or alternate models. Though it probably deserves its own thread. Is there any hope of Palladium Games getting access to Macross II? Those would make brilliant models to add on to the game at some point in the future.
I meant third party companies making models from all the macross series (ie valkyries at 1/285). In the same way other parties make space marine accessories or alternate models. Though it probably deserves its own thread. Is there any hope of Palladium Games getting access to Macross II? Those would make brilliant models to add on to the game at some point in the future.
1) Thats not what the term 'Unseen' means in relation to Macross.
2) It is highly unlikely HG/PG would ever be able to get the rights to another Macross Series.
3) Do not ask for people to violate copyright laws on Dakka.
It is however likely that you can find some gashapon/trade figures from the various Macross series in a scale near to the one Ninja Division is using.
If they made a figure of Minmei getting kicked out of a airlock, I would re-mortgage my house to fund this project. She needed to die a horrible horrible death.
Y'know if you're making (well translating) an anime where a MAJOR PLOT POINT is a pop singer whose music unifies the human race and causes vicious alien warriors to change their allegiance...
You might want to:
A - Hire a voice actress who can sing
B - Write more than 2 songs
If they made a figure of Minmei getting kicked out of a airlock, I would re-mortgage my house to fund this project. She needed to die a horrible horrible death.
Y'know if you're making (well translating) an anime where a MAJOR PLOT POINT is a pop singer whose music unifies the human race and causes vicious alien warriors to change their allegiance...
You might want to:
A - Hire a voice actress who can sing
B - Write more than 2 songs
Yeah.. I hated Minmei while watching Robotech, and loved her while watching Macross. I've still got a few of Mari Iijima's songs in my playlist...
I love how she called that her "new song" in about four or five different instances.
I prefer Lisa over Minmay hands down but I don't really get the hate. I think Minmay is a pretty deep character, too. Her naivetee strikes me as more of a choice (I guess psychologists call it "sublimation") than a flaw. I think she was trying to bury the feelings she had for Rick from the first few episodes because, well let's face it -- she knew they could die at any second. She even encouraged him to join the military when it was clear he was in puppy love with her. Just my take.
Anyway, I wonder if the whole music-as-a-weapon theme will come up in the table top game. It's a pretty huge aspect of the Macross saga and even sort of comes up again in the New Generation.
I love how she called that her "new song" in about four or five different instances.
I prefer Lisa over Minmay hands down but I don't really get the hate. **snip**
Anyway, I wonder if the whole music-as-a-weapon theme will come up in the table top game. It's a pretty huge aspect of the Macross saga and even sort of comes up again in the New Generation.
I prefer Exedore's cover of that tune personally. I hope they don't include music as a weapon in this unless it's somehow really simple (all zentraedi within "broadcast" weapon range of the speaker suffer negative command points).
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I tell ya, hologram Minmei molded in pink translucent plastic with a sound chip!
Automatically Appended Next Post: (was it Macross II or Macross Plus that had the hologram singers and giant speaker mechs?)
Macross II had it. It was the Minmei defense that was used to stop rogue Zentradi fleets. It worked great until a Imperal Marduk fleet lead my Lord Ingues showed up....
I meant third party companies making models from all the macross series (ie valkyries at 1/285). In the same way other parties make space marine accessories or alternate models. Though it probably deserves its own thread. Is there any hope of Palladium Games getting access to Macross II? Those would make brilliant models to add on to the game at some point in the future.
1) Thats not what the term 'Unseen' means in relation to Macross.
2) It is highly unlikely HG/PG would ever be able to get the rights to another Macross Series.
3) Do not ask for people to violate copyright laws on Dakka.
It is however likely that you can find some gashapon/trade figures from the various Macross series in a scale near to the one Ninja Division is using.
Probably not... although they did have the rights at one point.
I meant third party companies making models from all the macross series (ie valkyries at 1/285). In the same way other parties make space marine accessories or alternate models. Though it probably deserves its own thread. Is there any hope of Palladium Games getting access to Macross II? Those would make brilliant models to add on to the game at some point in the future.
1) Thats not what the term 'Unseen' means in relation to Macross.
2) It is highly unlikely HG/PG would ever be able to get the rights to another Macross Series.
3) Do not ask for people to violate copyright laws on Dakka.
It is however likely that you can find some gashapon/trade figures from the various Macross series in a scale near to the one Ninja Division is using.
Probably not... although they did have the rights at one point.
Not really, they assumed that they had the rights, turns out they snuck the book out while HG was basically asleep at the wheel and they had to yank all those books from publication. HG only "owns" the parent rights to the original macross series. ( Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross and Genesis Diver aka Mospeda).
Because HG trademarked Macross in the US during early 80's Studio Nue/BigWest/Tatsukono can't bring in the later series even though they should own the rights. Harmony Gold basically stole the Macross trademark for the US due to a loophole in how it was registered when the Berne convention went into effect and ended up getting squatting rights on Macross permanantly even though they were only liscensed holders at the time.
Its one of the many difficulties with the series, the current chain of ownership is a complete joke and it should reside with Studio Nue who originally created the series and is still involved in putting out the newer series that they can't import due to HG's trademark squatting. The Japanese companies don't see a point in having to pay HG royalties for a trademark they effectively stole. That's why the Macross fans continue to lose out and the Robotech setting can't use any of the newer designs.
I'm not 100% certain but it's my understanding (from reading macross forums) that HG & Palladium likewise can't use any of the designs for the Do You Remember Love? (Macross the Movie) which includes variations of the male zentraedi power armor, green skin and elf ears look for the Zentraedi, and the armored strike veritech which has the dual lasers coming out of the fast pack booster.
I'm also curious how this will all play into international rights, I know that HG holds the robotech & macross trademarks in the US and Canada, however I'd be curious to see how that breaks down to countries in Europe or people buying items that might end up in Japan. It could trigger yet another rounds of international lawsuits over the rights to the franchise, but that's hardly anything new as they've had many lawyers slapping away at each other for close to 25 years at this point.
As for doing other models for Macross II or anything remotely affliated with Robotech I'll pass, I'd rather eat and poop out a broken bottle than deal with KS again.
I meant third party companies making models from all the macross series (ie valkyries at 1/285). In the same way other parties make space marine accessories or alternate models. Though it probably deserves its own thread. Is there any hope of Palladium Games getting access to Macross II? Those would make brilliant models to add on to the game at some point in the future.
1) Thats not what the term 'Unseen' means in relation to Macross.
2) It is highly unlikely HG/PG would ever be able to get the rights to another Macross Series.
3) Do not ask for people to violate copyright laws on Dakka.
It is however likely that you can find some gashapon/trade figures from the various Macross series in a scale near to the one Ninja Division is using.
Probably not... although they did have the rights at one point.
I meant third party companies making models from all the macross series (ie valkyries at 1/285). In the same way other parties make space marine accessories or alternate models. Though it probably deserves its own thread. Is there any hope of Palladium Games getting access to Macross II? Those would make brilliant models to add on to the game at some point in the future.
1) Thats not what the term 'Unseen' means in relation to Macross.
2) It is highly unlikely HG/PG would ever be able to get the rights to another Macross Series.
3) Do not ask for people to violate copyright laws on Dakka.
It is however likely that you can find some gashapon/trade figures from the various Macross series in a scale near to the one Ninja Division is using.
Probably not... although they did have the rights at one point.
Not really, they assumed that they had the rights, turns out they snuck the book out while HG was basically asleep at the wheel and they had to yank all those books from publication. HG only "owns" the parent rights to the original macross series. (Clash of the Bionoids and Genesis Diver aka Mospeda).
Because HG trademarked Macross in the US during early 80's Studio Nue/BigWest/Tatsukono can't bring in the later series even though they should own the rights. Harmony Gold basically stole the Macross trademark for the US due to a loophole in how it was registered when the Berne convention went into effect and ended up getting squatting rights on Macross permanantly even though they were only liscensed holders at the time.
Its one of the many difficulties with the series, the current chain of ownership is a complete joke and it should reside with Studio Nue who originally created the series and is still involved in putting out the newer series that they can't import due to HG's trademark squatting. The Japanese companies don't see a point in having to pay HG royalties for a trademark they effectively stole. That's why the Macross fans continue to lose out and the Robotech setting can't use any of the newer designs.
I'm not 100% certain but it's my understanding (from reading macross forums) that HG & Palladium likewise can't use any of the designs for the Do You Remember Love? (Macross the Movie) which includes variations of the male zentraedi power armor, green skin and elf ears look for the Zentraedi, and the armored strike veritech which has the dual lasers coming out of the fast pack booster.
I'm also curious how this will all play into international rights, I know that HG holds the robotech & macross trademarks in the US and Canada, however I'd be curious to see how that breaks down to countries in Europe or people buying items that might end up in Japan. It could trigger yet another rounds of international lawsuits over the rights to the franchise, but that's hardly anything new as they've had many lawyers slapping away at each other for close to 25 years at this point.
I wish HG would c&d with this chokehold they have over macross. I'm glad HG brought it over to the US, but come its been over 20 yrs! We're all grown up. It's not like the fans won't be able to comprehend why changes were made back then. I don't think it's fair to fans such as myself and others around the world who feel the same. The original creators should not have to pay HG for something they had nothing to do with. I just wish HG would let it go already. Stop riding others coat tails.
I wish HG would c&d with this chokehold they have over macross. I'm glad HG brought it over to the US, but come its been over 20 yrs! We're all grown up. It's not like the fans won't be able to comprehend why changes were made back then. I don't think it's fair to fans such as myself and others around the world who feel the same. The original creators should not have to pay HG for something they had nothing to do with. I just wish HG would let it go already. Stop riding others coat tails.
What's "fair" doesn't matter. They're a company and therefore they'll only stop when either a concerted public outcry (unlikely... anime fans have the attention span of minmei) that affects current actual sales or a court of law forces them to stop. Since the companies in Japan have chosen not to sue again in the US, we're stuck with what we have... shadow chronicles. :( If 20 years of lost potential sales doesn't convince them to kiss and make up, nothing else will.
paulson games wrote: Not really, they assumed that they had the rights, turns out they snuck the book out while HG was basically asleep at the wheel and they had to yank all those books from publication. HG only "owns" the parent rights to the original macross series. (Clash of the Bionoids and Genesis Diver aka Mospeda).
What does Clash of the Bionoids have to do with anything? That's the first that I've heard that HG owns the rights to that.
and Genesis Climber Mospeada is not a Macross series.
Sorry, what you said doesn't make sense so I'm trying to figure out if there's something I hadn't known about HG...
I've got blitzkrieg plus some add ones personally. When they add FPA then I'll bump up a bit more. After that, only macross terrain would likely get another bump as opposed to a shift of addons within the same amount.
paulson games wrote: Not really, they assumed that they had the rights, turns out they snuck the book out while HG was basically asleep at the wheel and they had to yank all those books from publication. HG only "owns" the parent rights to the original macross series. (Clash of the Bionoids and Genesis Diver aka Mospeda).
What does Clash of the Bionoids have to do with anything? That's the first that I've heard that HG owns the rights to that.
and Genesis Climber Mospeada is not a Macross series.
Sorry, what you said doesn't make sense so I'm trying to figure out if there's something I hadn't known about HG...
Those form the material that is used for the expanded Robotech arcs 2 & 3, by mixing those series they with Macrss they created Southerncross arc and Mospeada arc which are part of the Robotech trilogy even though they have nothing to do with the original Japanese macross series. Palladium has said they'd expand the game to cover those arcs as well (once the macross arc if taken care of)
Oops. I meant the designs for The Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross (not Clash of bionoids) Posting at 4am while slightly buzzed tends to make things fuzzy.
A 1/285 scale SDF-1 would be over 4 meters long, so I don't think it would be likely to appear . Now, a few autoguns/turrets so we can play ship assault scenarios would be cool!
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It doesn't seem right for the UEDF to receive additional core forces without the Zentraedi bringing reinforcements to the battle as well. Once we reach $550,000 all pledges of Battle Cry and above will receive and additional 3x Regult Battlepods for free!
Rick is suiting up and looks serious, it must be important....
Why does that bag have to be so cool looking with the huge Robotech logo on it!? Why must it be so much!? I've never owned an army transport bag, but this one tempts me...
A more serious question is can Battlefoam deliver the bags on time?
They were unable to get the full amount needed to CMON to ship with Sedition Wars even though they had 5 months to get them done officially plus another couple of months that SW shipping was deleyed
There's lots of scuttlebutt in the Comments about it.
Lots of people asking for them.
Then the naysayers pounce on them and "inform" them that Max and Miriya (and other characters) just flew the 1J and later the Super VT and you can "easily" convert one that you get.
recruittons wrote: A 1/285 scale SDF-1 would be over 4 meters long, so I don't think it would be likely to appear . Now, a few autoguns/turrets so we can play ship assault scenarios would be cool!
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!
Probably not scale, but a SDF-1 model will look awesome.
I currently have an early bird pledge for the boxed game, but with all the stuff they are adding to the Battle Cry pledge, it seems like there will be no reason to stay at the Boobytrap or First Contact levels.
Battle Cry is the sweet spot. Was not expecting the quality and quantity of Show Down to be honest. So far very impressed. Miniatures look great and the game play is neat. Very interested to see what next they reveal
rigeld2 wrote: 1890/285~~6.5 feet. Thanks for the table idea :-)
Although that width has to be wrong... It's only slightly wider than it is tall? To google!
Sometimes I forget numbers, so the 4.5 is probably off. I can't be expected to remember everything.
I'd have to troll the KS comments, but someone was already taking a crack at a foam board ARMD and had a couple pics.
That's the best thing about Robotech, lots of "technical" data is out there. I think there's a few versions of the ARMD as well. The plain Jane version if you are pinched for time is good enough. It's basically a flat flight deck.
TalonZahn wrote: There's lots of scuttlebutt in the Comments about it.
Lots of people asking for them.
Then the naysayers pounce on them and "inform" them that Max and Miriya (and other characters) just flew the 1J and later the Super VT and you can "easily" convert one that you get.
I still think they are coming.
We're "naysayers" for pointing out that they have stock VFs with custom paint? Sorry man, there's still full models that haven't come out. Once we get Super/Armored VTs and female power armor and zentraedi infantry THEN I won't have a problem with tossing some rescources towards reposing figs we're already getting, figs that are already supposedly multypose kits. Still not a fan of the current Kyron Glaug, but at least for this one you'll get a cockpit you can open and see inside.
PS- and yes, I fully realize it's much easier to repose a 3d model than it is to sculpt a whole new one
Kalamadea wrote: We're "naysayers" for pointing out that they have stock VFs with custom paint? Sorry man, there's still full models that haven't come out. Once we get Super/Armored VTs and female power armor and zentraedi infantry THEN I won't have a problem with tossing some rescources towards reposing figs we're already getting, figs that are already supposedly multypose kits. Still not a fan of the current Kyron Glaug, but at least for this one you'll get a cockpit you can open and see inside.
PS- and yes, I fully realize it's much easier to repose a 3d model than it is to sculpt a whole new one
I don't hear people crying about Rick and Roy, yet they fly a stock J and S.... Odd that?
I'm going to guess your next/backup reasoning for that will tow the line with.... iconic pose, yada, yada....Which, the very least, Max had as well.
Annnnnd again... I want all the minis to be released as well: Super/Strike/Armored/VEF and FPA at the least. Zent infantry I can take or leave. Technically they are wasting resources creating completely new miniatures for the Super/Strike as well. Those could just be bits on a sprue if the did it right. Armored could be too, but I doubt they could pull that off with good results. FPA is a given because of MPA.
The level of bashing that goes on when someone brings up Max, Miriya, Ben, or just about any character can get crazy. Yet no one bats an eye when someone expresses their want for a Breetai or a Valk D 2 seat trainer.
(There's a better copy on youtube but blocked in Trinidad.)
And it is just BRUTAL. Cities blown to ash. There's a 2 second cut, a soldier and a child. Dialogue:
"How old are you?"
"Two"
(Both are blown to atoms)
Holy #$%^ing @#$@! And this came out the same time as GI Joe where everyone managed to jump out as planes and tanks exploded.
Actually, I didn't like the the custom Rick and Roy VTs either, but Rick was in at launch and at the time Roy was the only way to get a 1S (now not so much, since any VT kit can be a 1S/1J/1A). Super/Armored VT addon-sprues would have been the way to go as well, but judging by the Recon Battlepods, Ninja Division seems to want to make full figures instead of just addon sprues.
Unfortunately I'm in the minority of not giving a flying crap about the official characters from the show (those stories are already told), I'm one of the few that would like to see an emphasis on generic characters. I accept that without too much grumbling, but I draw the line when there's models missing completely and people are clamoring for something that is literally the exact same model. It's interesting you mention the 1D, since that wouldn't be a simple head swap, it would require a different body. The 1D is the 2-seater trainer version and the canopy in Fighter and Guardian mode goes back further into the fuselage to accommodate the 2nd seat (it is otherwise the same length).
I actually misspoke, the VT-1 is the unarmed Trainer, the VF-1D is the armed Trainer.
It was also in like, 2 episodes. So although it might actually require a new model, the question is why make it outside of an objective marker.
To me, a request like that is silly, but I don't deride people making the request (not saying you do). Which is often the response by many when other make the same request for the character minis.
Again, just different points of view on what should and shouldn't be given "special" treatment. At the very least, they should make cards for them!
Also, are you planning to use the Deadzone mats for Robotech? I think they will make an excellent canvas to put a city on.
@ Kid - It's the only cartoon that has ever made me cry. When Fokker died, my world was crushed. That's some hard stuff for a kid.
Its not the fact that they are "custom" models you are aso getting the stat cards that make them special.
Looking at Rick or Roy as normal characters they are some of the best pilots (Max and Mirya are better) and have better shooting capabilities. They may also have special rules that contridict the normal VT rules, like being able to change AFTER a move instead of prior or things like that.
Also the Roy model has the skull logo already on so it is different.
Yeah, nice character cards are actually exactly what I want for the character mechs. Leave the unique modeling to the painbrush, but give them super awesome abilities to make them stand out in the game! I never meant to argue against special characters in the game, if that's how it came across, just that the models don't need to be special. Even the skull and bones symbol would be fine as a decal, and possibly better since you could then make the entire Skull Squadron out of normal VTs.
As for Deadzone mats, maybe. I'm actually leaning more toward the Dropzone Commander mat and Buildings. They're 10mm, but be close enough. I don't actually expect to get much gaming in, the only buddy that loves robotech anywhere near as much as I do lives 2 hours away and the ones I play with all the time have utterly no interest in this outside of Battletech.
So I upped my pledge. I love the idea of the carrying case from the outset. I have so many models that still need a way to be transported or stored safetly that they either sit unbuilt or are never used in game play outside the home environment.
This was my first ever Kickstarter, and already I can see the inherent evil. Every couple of days I notice I'm getting more man dollies for free! That's if I'm assuming right, I get all the add ons regardless of when I first pledged?
Also, dumb question time. When this is all done, can I buy more stuff above my pledge level? Right now I'm in at Battle Cry + Gnerls and Male Power Armor. Come the 20th can I decide impulsively to chuck a MK II on top? Or do I need to decide before the 20th?
I am severly thinking of uping to Showdown just so that I can run either a small 3+ game OR one HUGE game. . .
E_T they say that you can increase the pledge total after wards which is what I want to do for sure. I get paid 3 days after this ends and I REALLY want to toss 200+ more into this. . .
Evil_Toast wrote: This was my first ever Kickstarter, and already I can see the inherent evil. Every couple of days I notice I'm getting more man dollies for free! That's if I'm assuming right, I get all the add ons regardless of when I first pledged?
Also, dumb question time. When this is all done, can I buy more stuff above my pledge level? Right now I'm in at Battle Cry + Gnerls and Male Power Armor. Come the 20th can I decide impulsively to chuck a MK II on top? Or do I need to decide before the 20th?
Welcome to the addiction. Each time I think my money's safe and there's nothing on the horizon a Kickstarter comes along and screws my budget.
When you pledge doesn't affect what you receive at a given pledge level, so if you pledge on the first day or the last you'll receive whatever comes with that pledge. It's why you'll see the pledges shoot up on the last day as the lurkers ultimately decide to jump on since the extras are just too irresistible.
My experience has been that you can add extras on after the Kickstarter has ended as long as you pledged at a certain level. I can't state that this is how this will work for every one but it has been for the three I have pledged, each one with a different company.
I would agree that Dropzone commander's terrain set is great value, you might want to consider just downloading the images and resizing back to 60-70% for a better fit, for Robotech.
That aside there are plenty of other sources for terrain, buildings etc at this cale and despite the hints I do not think that at the moment the KS gets to hung up on supplying their own.
My pet project looking to play around some a those lovely starship interiors, from Worldworks or Fat Dragon Games for a little onboard fun.
Per the owners of the KS, you will be able to add money for add-ons with the pledge manager...they just won't drive up the total KS pledge as it will be over. So pledge for the level you want, pledge extra for the add-ons you know you want (so the overall pledge goes up and we maximize our stretch bonuses and add-on options), and you can increase the total for what you want with the pledge manager once the KS is over.
In effect, if you pledge a $1, you can add money after the fact and buy whatever, just like it was a store. But it won't impact the net kickstarter growth.
Only money committed during the KS drives the expansion. I'm not sure what add-ons I want yet. So I pledged Battle Cry plus $200 for the add-ons I expect I'll want (and the bag) as a rough estimate. If they keep driving the add-ons for the FPA and Valk alternates, I may bump that a bit further. But I'll try and do it before 10 PM on 20 May to make sure the freebies and options are maxed.
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I will attempt to find a link and/or the site it was posted on.
I was going to spend some money on another kickstarter that is doing well. But Robotech has impressed me much and seems like this Kickstarter has the right focus. Just added another 200 dollars to me pledge. Also the movie announcement helped too.
Just read that press release. G&G have impressed the socks of me. Expect at least 2 Anime war boards from me for a pledge. Enough time to pledge in June or July for their launch too without having to split my cash to either kickstarters.
As following G&G that is when they will launch their boards Kickstatrter. I think it will be huge . Good on them!
We would strongly suggest to back this awesome kickstarter. We saw the models at GAMMA and were super impressed and thought it was a no brainer to join forces with ND. We have pledged for SHOW DOWN. For us it is all about Robotech mass battles!! It seems like the Pledges with the unlocks keep getting sweeter. As for the Press Release. We are super excited. We have industry artists working on some beautiful designs. Right now though lets kick in more with this kickstarter as it about mass battles on awesome battle boards soon .
Kalamadea wrote: Yeah, nice character cards are actually exactly what I want for the character mechs. Leave the unique modeling to the painbrush, but give them super awesome abilities to make them stand out in the game! I never meant to argue against special characters in the game, if that's how it came across, just that the models don't need to be special. Even the skull and bones symbol would be fine as a decal, and possibly better since you could then make the entire Skull Squadron out of normal VTs.
As for Deadzone mats, maybe. I'm actually leaning more toward the Dropzone Commander mat and Buildings. They're 10mm, but be close enough. I don't actually expect to get much gaming in, the only buddy that loves robotech anywhere near as much as I do lives 2 hours away and the ones I play with all the time have utterly no interest in this outside of Battletech.
The problem with characters in Macross/ Robotech is that they're insanely overpowered. Max and Miriya, for example, could probably solo (duo?) the entire RDF without breaking a sweat.
After the Zentradi have destroyed 90% of the Earth you have the survivors trying to make peace with the surviving Zentradi, and the Zentradi themselves trying to get used to a life without war.
Minmei is with her alcholic abusive cousin, giving concerts to a few dozen people in one horse towns, and Kyron has barely enough fuel to keep his handful of mechs running.
Even the Rick/Minmei/Lisa triangle is handled well, Rick is an idiot, but a realistic one. I've seen and done much dumber things for a girl.
It's a very mature, very cool arc. I hated it as a kid but now I see it as a brilliant move. Totally subverting the earlier heroism and underlining the cost of war.
Anyway it raises some new model ideas...
Like how about Kyron riding a Monster Piggyback!
Then Amazona (or whatever her name is) piggyback on an officer's pod!
paulson games wrote: Not really, they assumed that they had the rights, turns out they snuck the book out while HG was basically asleep at the wheel and they had to yank all those books from publication. HG only "owns" the parent rights to the original macross series. (Clash of the Bionoids and Genesis Diver aka Mospeda).
What does Clash of the Bionoids have to do with anything? That's the first that I've heard that HG owns the rights to that.
and Genesis Climber Mospeada is not a Macross series.
Sorry, what you said doesn't make sense so I'm trying to figure out if there's something I hadn't known about HG...
Those form the material that is used for the expanded Robotech arcs 2 & 3, by mixing those series they with Macrss they created Southerncross arc and Mospeada arc which are part of the Robotech trilogy even though they have nothing to do with the original Japanese macross series. Palladium has said they'd expand the game to cover those arcs as well (once the macross arc if taken care of)
Okay, you're confused. Clash of the Bionoids is a cut, dubbed version of Macross Ai Oboete Imasuka, which Harmony Gold has no rights to.
Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeada, which are not related to Macross, are the second and third arcs of Robotech. You had said, quote, HG owns the parent rights to the Macross series (Clash of the Bionoids and Genesis Diver aka Mospeda), unquote. Again, CotB is not part of Robotech in the least bit, and Genesis _Climber_ Mospeada is not a Macross series.
Good luck... Yamato went out of business a month ago. All of the Yamato toys have doubled to tripled in price. The 1/60 Miriya Super Valkyrie just sold for over $700 on ebay. I believe the SDF-1 is worth over 2 grand now.
The problem with characters in Macross/ Robotech is that they're insanely overpowered. Max and Miriya, for example, could probably solo (duo?) the entire RDF without breaking a sweat.
Weclome to Plot Armor, standard storytelling trope. As much as I absolutely adore the series, I actually think MOSPEADA is far worse with it than Macross ever was. These are supposed to be a half dozen guerilla fighters and they take out the entire Invid invasion force (spoiler alert). I LOVE the video games (both Battlecry and Invasion) for this, they introduce new characters just as important in their own ways but in different areas of the world. Again, new stories that flesh out the universe without having the standard characters as the be-all end-all solution to any and every problem. Same reason I have a tough time watching Gundam Wing anymore, you're either a Gundam or you're an explosion. I'd rather not see that in the Robotech minis game.
I'm a tremendous fan of the Sega Dreamcast Gundam game, it was a side story that played out in Australia at the same time the main main anime's war was going on. Seperate story that had little (or nothing) to do with the story of Amuro, but was important in that area of the world and featured a relatively normal group of Feds being awesome fighting off the Zeons. Gundam actually had a few of these Side Stories both in games and in actual animes, and it really makes the world come alive. Star Trek TNG had the episode where Barclay was seeing things in the transporter, and they turned out to be a random group of Federation members that had suspended themselves in the transporter buffer/energy/techspeak until the Enterprise crew figures out what they did and go "oh hey, that was clever as hell!". It's an amazing episode because it's something you would have seen Scotty or Geordi do except that it's some no-named, generic starfleet officers being awesome badasses this time.
That's all I want out of stories, tabletop and RPG games especially. Main characters are awesome, but give the other guys a chance ot be as awesome. Just because Max is an incredible, awesome, amazing ace doesn't mean other aces just as good don't exist. Max just happens to be the right ace in the right place. Make the "generic" heroes as cool as the named ones. Let me make "my" character and have him be able to go toe to toe with a named character, even if he has a disadvantage. Maybe that's hoping for a Mary Sue, but damnit, that's the entire point of making your own characters in stuff!
Robotech had a great weekend, unlocking more free Bonuses for all pledges of Battle Cry and above. We just updated the Battle Cry pledge graphic showing how much stuff comes with it now. Needless to say, it is quite impressive!
SIZE CHART UPDATE
We gave the size chart a big overhaul, adding all the new units that have been unlocked. We also added a ruler and a comparison with a standard 32mm scale hobby game piece, so that you can get a better sense of the true size of these models. Mathematical!
Good luck... Yamato went out of business a month ago. All of the Yamato toys have doubled to tripled in price. The 1/60 Miriya Super Valkyrie just sold for over $700 on ebay. I believe the SDF-1 is worth over 2 grand now.
It looks like they just restructured and are now called 'Arcadia', new Macross merch will be coming out from them.
Good luck... Yamato went out of business a month ago. All of the Yamato toys have doubled to tripled in price. The 1/60 Miriya Super Valkyrie just sold for over $700 on ebay. I believe the SDF-1 is worth over 2 grand now.
It looks like they just restructured and are now called 'Arcadia', new Macross merch will be coming out from them.
But will most likely be discontinuing everything not in the 1/60 line to be more "agile" - so the 1/3000 SDF-1 and 1/48 super detailed Valkyries, which makes me sad. :(
Not that this will come as a true surprise for most pledgers but a banner for the Robotech Kickstarter seems to be "previewing" a popularly asked for model.
So aside from the legal concerns that will never go away with this franchise and tbe involvement of some unsavory businesses that will be getting my trickle down money I am still excited about this project.
In that excitement I have been trying to get some of my other wargaming friends interested. Over the weekend I tried to show a friend Macross: Do you remember love? as a test. I figured it was the least dated animation from the old Macross days and would be the most visually interesting as an introduction.
He hated it. I cannot even imagine trying to show him (and others) the robotech series with the major plot inconsitencies and errors if even the flagship macross anime from back in the day falls flat on a younger audience.
This leads me to the point of this post. How is this game ever going to grow in a very crowded market with a new audience? I kind of think this is just going to end up a beloved niche game that I am rarely if ever going to find players for.
This will be a very hard sell to newcomers I think.
I agree there is room for competition but we are talking about an IP that has squandered itself since the 80s and is fairly lost on a younger audience.
Most of the games that are out there and making it are not based on what is essentially a content restricted, obscure IP from the 80s with 25 years of legal drama behind them.
I would love to be able to look forward to pick up games of robotech tactics at the local flgs but I think the very nature of the IP is going to make that an extremely rare possibility.
Swabby, I hate to break it to you but the new players from that "younger audience" won't care about the drama of the last 25 years as they didn't have to live through it so weren't affected by it. To them, it'll simply be a footnote that old grognards tell them over and over for some strange reason. If they like the minis and the rules, they'll buy the game. If they don't, they won't. I've never met a young prospective 4e D&D player who told me that they decided not to get into the game because T$R used to sue fansites and they didn't like what happened with the AD&D 2.5e player's choice books when they were still in diapers or younger. Only older people who *wanted* to play Robotech in the 80's or 90's and couldn't would give a rat's ass about the drama surrounding the IP.
I like the idea of a tomahawk build with defender arms. Now I really can't wait till Dec. since this 
