MLaw wrote:

 RobertsMinis wrote:
New expansion is also bringing a 4th plastic set.

Do tell.. Soldiers, Cultists, Gnolls.. if you say Hobgoblins are the next plastic kit I'm likely to lose it...

Oh I don't know that info but NorthStar have said it is happening. Henchmen must have been a decent seller.

 MLaw wrote:
Earlier I mentioned the D&D boardgame gnolls from Temple of Elemental Evil.. and someone said they had regular person legs. I actually just check the ones I own and they have the same dog legs as the Tre Manor Reaper ones I also own.. so.. something to consider..

When I first encountered Gnolls, the did have 'regular person legs', at least in some of the art:

Gnoll


Flind


Even ol' Yeenoghu might have had them too:


I like them better with the dog legs though!

Not sure if this has been posted, but a painted version of the metal Gnoll that was available in the last Nickstarter

Doesn't look bad.

I'm supposing that building and the background material are all part on Renedra's new keep/ tower and possibly ruins scenery?

Well not, that is already better than the sculpts we have seen so far, though only having three toes seems a little odd. The deadly and terrifying sloth gnoll!

 Wehrkind wrote:
Well not, that is already better than the sculpts we have seen so far, though only having three toes seems a little odd. The deadly and terrifying sloth gnoll!

He lost the other toes in the war.. He's actually pretty sensitive about it..

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Doesn't look bad.

I'm supposing that building and the background material are all part on Renedra's new keep/ tower and possibly ruins scenery?

Gnoll is a solid sculpt.
I see Renedra are sticking with the 'back end of a plastic spoon and playdoh' school of terrain sculpting.

Can't say I agree, this is what their tower looks like:

The question is, will those keeps be as reasonably priced as the GW terrain was?

I always thought the GW stuff was fairly priced (at least locally) for the size of the kits.

Keep is certainly decent, ruins, that I was referencing not so much.
Also Frostgrave.

That metal Gnoll, toe issue aside looks pretty nice. Hopefully some of the other sculpts in the plastic box will look at least that nice.

That metal Gnoll is not on Rendera scenery. How I know this, I have eyes and a brain.

The ruins the gnoll is standing on are by Adrian's Walls though Northstar stocks them now.

 RobertsMinis wrote:
That metal Gnoll is not on Rendera scenery. How I know this, I have eyes and a brain.

I substituted a series of whispering dwarves and a petrified lemon floating in a bowl of ether for those things. Happy with my choice in general but it has made it difficult to distinguish between the pick axe carved soap based terrain that different manufacturers produce.

Anyone have a good line on Frostgrave battle reports?

I am a fan of Gordon's comic-book style FG batreps, found here:

http://ihavewroughtmysimpleplan.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Frostgrave

 MLaw wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Well not, that is already better than the sculpts we have seen so far, though only having three toes seems a little odd. The deadly and terrifying sloth gnoll!

He lost the other toes in the war.. He's actually pretty sensitive about it..

Was it lost to a frost bite?

Diabetes. All that war chocolate...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Diabetes. All that war chocolate...

I'll never tell him this but if he had just given it to the kids he would still have all his toes..

Just because you look like a puppy doesn't mean kids will still love you if you don't give them chocolate.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Just because you look like a puppy doesn't mean kids will still love you if you don't give them chocolate.

Hmm.. perhaps it wasn't diabetes he got from the chocolate..

Maybe that is what started the whole gnoll/human animosity! The humans swung by, all smiles and good will, and gave the gnoll kiddies a tasty treat. That afternoon, it was all howls of "They poisoned our pups! Kill them all!" Bad times for all involved.

Meanwhile, back in the Frostgrave NEWS and RUMORS thread...

 Alpharius wrote:
Meanwhile, back in the Frostgrave NEWS and RUMORS thread...

...there were new sightings of plastic Gnolls with irrefutable proof that they have the worst model builders on their staff assembling these kits.




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sadly I think those two in the back might be the best built from this crop but the preview is so small it's hard to say. The teaser from FB says these are due out in the summer.

Models and components look good, though paint jobs aren't doing them a lot of justice. Bit too vibrant for gnolls, imo.

~iPaint

50% of them look pretty good to me, and the other half might be improved with better positioning and less goofy head options. I'm feeling optimistic about this kit now.

Yeah, I actually like the two heads on the right. I can't tell about the others.. between the picture and the paint.. it's hard to say. Back left might not be bad. The front two look very spiky. I'll probably drill the ears a bit and cut the hair down and resculpt it on those if it's really as bad as it looks.
The weapons mostly look good but the far left and furthest back on the right.. I can't even see what they're holding.
The torsos and legs look alright but the three toe thing is kinda weirding me out now.
There's a couple of what is probably accessories from the sprue on there as well. Looks like a bone, a rat skull, a strapped on axe, a pelt, I think a dagger on the greatsword guy.
The arms look a bit on the muscular side. I don't mind it and if there are extras I plan on using them on some monstrous humanoids and other goodies
If I have time tomorrow, I'll try to see if I can take all the photos we've seen and sort out how many unique items from the kit have been revealed. Summer is a few months out and I'm curious to see how much we've seen already.

Is there a fluff explanation for the toes? I haven't read any stories with gnolls in The Frozen City omnibus yet. Otherwise, it comes across as "pfft, sculpting toes is too hard".

I have no clue but I did check some pictures of hyenas just to see if they happened to strangely have 3 claws on the back.. nah, the normal 4 plus probably that weird one up the leg a bit.

Anyway.. here's a compilation of the pictures we've seen so far.






I think the archer is the same grey we saw already.. or maybe the same parts anyway..
The one in the front in the group shot is the face from that circular promo shot and that head is on what someone identified as the 3-up.
The Axe in at least two of those pics is the same. Bow and arrow likely as well. Otherwise, I see a sword and shield and a greatsword.
So, all that said.. we've seen maybe 5 or 6 heads of a sprue that normally has 2-3 per body. There's only a handful of weapons being shown but other accessories I don't know how much more of that we'll see.
Hope that was helpful..

Northstar have been showing off a metal conversion pack for the plastic Soldier kit to turn them into forest outlaws. If this kit sells well they will do more.



They go on sale next week apparently

 endtransmission wrote:
Northstar have been showing off a metal conversion pack for the plastic Soldier kit to turn them into forest outlaws. If this kit sells well they will do more.



They go on sale next week apparently

missed a bracket...

Heads look decent. Arms are a bit rough.

Well, the new pic of the gnolls make them look much better. There is still hope for this kit. Metal conversion kit is a big no for me. YOu d'ont mix plastic with metal, as the density of each material is too different. They should have used resin.

Eh, I didn't mind the old GW plastic/metal kits.. a lot of my orks were converted using those and I have a Landspeeder with the old metal missile launchers and stuff.. There are issues for using the two for sure but it's not unusable.

That said.. some of the bits in that are really bad looking. Which.. for a kit like that (all bits) is going to do a lot of damage.
I can't even tell what some of the things in the middle row are supposed to be..

I'm reading through the collection of vignettes now and I'm not really sure there's a compelling reason for anyone to buy a forest bandit upgrade kit. Is there some special place for them in the rules?

The vignettes are pretty good, by the way. Lots of neat ideas with just the right length for a good payoff without the extra length to require a lot of world building. I look forward to more.

Ooh the gnolls look better now. Am more enthusiastic now.

Regarding the new "upgrade" set coming out, I'm not going to complain about some extra heads. The pieces are going to be that small there wont be a problem attaching them to the minis... It isnt as if they are like the old GW Devastators were you had to pin the metal weapons onto the plastic bodies.

As for making them in resin, it is probably not economical...

 streetsamurai wrote:
Metal conversion kit is a big no for me. YOu d'ont mix plastic with metal, as the density of each material is too different. They should have used resin.

GW used to make a number of plastic figures with metal bits, I've never had a problem with them. Indeed I still have some old SM figures that used metal bits and they have held up just as well as the all plastic figures from the same time period.

I rather like these new conversion bits. Not sure if I will build a whole warband of "forest bandits" but more variety for the existing plastic soldiers and cultists is always welcome.

 endtransmission wrote:
Northstar have been showing off a metal conversion pack for the plastic Soldier kit to turn them into forest outlaws. If this kit sells well they will do more.



They go on sale next week apparently

Me soldiers! They've turned out to be a bunch of Robbing 'Oods!

I always like to see bits for customizing figures - these make getting a box a likely possibility....

The Auld Grump

I've been wanting another box of the soldiers anyway, so I would totally throw one of these into the order next week.

Frostgrave is on my short list of refreshing, smaller games, that actually has some traction in gaming clubs. As such i'd love to continue supporting it, and always pre-order their new books, etc... immediately.

As a small way to add variety to forces I am all for it.

Incidentally, does anyone know if Brigade will be offering these for US buyers?

 streetsamurai wrote:
Metal conversion kit is a big no for me. YOu d'ont mix plastic with metal, as the density of each material is too different. They should have used resin.

Oh please. My entire space wolf army is 20 odd years old and nearly all metal bodies with plastic arms. So, yes you DO mix metal and plastic and there's no problem with it at all.

Yea, I like metal add on kits to improve the variety. Absolute worst case I have to weigh the base down a bit to keep it from tipping.

While i have zero interest in these Gnolls for skirmish gaming, i will be looking at them for converting to BloodBowl.
Kolbalds too, if they make hem in plastic.

Some pictures of the bits in action..

Nice

The bits look nice, but not really in a Frostgrave setting are they?

Well, if Brigade offers them in the US i'll definitely snag a box with the soldiers I was going to order this week anyway.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Well, if Brigade offers them in the US i'll definitely snag a box with the soldiers I was going to order this week anyway.

Anyone else in the states thinking about ordering from Brigade.. I ordered a box of FG soldiers from them and they arrived incredibly fast. Almost Wile E Coyote ordering Acme fast..

I exclusively buy my Frostgrave stuff from them. They're cool folks who supported the game when it was still entirely unknown.

As I said, i'll pull the trigger again as soon as they put up the Outlaw kit.

Arms, hands, in particular look even worse than the unpainted preview.
Shockingly bad by modern standards. Giant glove wearing 2nd ed Attilan Rough Riders had more elegantly sculpted hands.

Those look great! I'll definitely check them out once Brigade gets them in

 plastictrees wrote:
Arms, hands, in particular look even worse than the unpainted preview.
Shockingly bad by modern standards. Giant glove wearing 2nd ed Attilan Rough Riders had more elegantly sculpted hands.

What's kind of funny is that the dude in the back with his fist on his hip seems to have a decently sized hand in glove. It really just serves to make the rest look worse. I do admit that I have had the gaks of heroic scale, but understand that people still like that. Those hands though... it looks like they severed them from a much bigger hero and attached them to these poor guys.

I've found the size of the hands and at the least bows from the plastic soldier kit to be closer to Reaper's scale and a bit further from the heroic GW type stuff. I say this after having looked at a Mordheim bow and a FG bow two days ago to put on a Reaper model..

That said.. the hands in that picture I linked are all over the place. Some look like boulders or big loafs of artisan bread while others look like small carnie hands.

 MLaw wrote:
Anyone else in the states thinking about ordering from Brigade.. I ordered a box of FG soldiers from them and they arrived incredibly fast. Almost Wile E Coyote ordering Acme fast..

I've bought all my FG stuff from Brigade. I agree they have always provided good, fast service.

 MLaw wrote:

That said.. the hands in that picture I linked are all over the place. Some look like boulders or big loafs of artisan bread while others look like small carnie hands.

Do they smell of cabbage? Cause that's a deal breaker for me.

I can't pull my eyes away from that guy holding* the bag* over his shoulder*.

* At least, I assume that's what's happening. It could be he's being attacked by a fat one of these.

He could be breaking in an immature bagpipe.

Ha!

Any note of the sculptor of the upgrade set? I have me suspicions.

I think his first name begins with B but I'm just guessing

 Vermis wrote:
I can't pull my eyes away from that guy holding* the bag* over his shoulder*.

* At least, I assume that's what's happening. It could be he's being attacked by a fat one of these.

That is the one model in this bunch that i can point to and say 'not that one'.

The Auld Grump

 Vermis wrote:
Ha!

Any note of the sculptor of the upgrade set? I have me suspicions.

I would be floored if your suspicions turned out to be incorrect...

Well, they tally with RobertsMinis hints anyway. And 'suspicions' might be the wrong word when you're about 97% certain.

Gary Morley? (Just joking, though I'll never forgive him for some of the LotR models he did.)

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Gary Morley? (Just joking, though I'll never forgive him for some of the LotR models he did.)

I can't really blame him, he has a style that showed in his LOTR miniatures. I blame the person who assigned the job to him that his style was so obviously unsuited for.

I feel almost the same about this situation, and rose-tinted nostalgia.

Did anyone figure out how to purchase these outlaw bits from the US? I expected Brigade might have them, but alas, it doesn't seem to be the case.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Did anyone figure out how to purchase these outlaw bits from the US? I expected Brigade might have them, but alas, it doesn't seem to be the case.

I searched on Brigade's site for a bit and I don't see them. Perhaps it's a staggered release with US getting them after stock arrives from initial release?

 MLaw wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Did anyone figure out how to purchase these outlaw bits from the US? I expected Brigade might have them, but alas, it doesn't seem to be the case.

I searched on Brigade's site for a bit and I don't see them. Perhaps it's a staggered release with US getting them after stock arrives from initial release?

It seems like there's always a lag between stuff going up on the North Star website and the same releases appearing on the Brigade website. We may see them there yet.

 mdauben wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Did anyone figure out how to purchase these outlaw bits from the US? I expected Brigade might have them, but alas, it doesn't seem to be the case.

I searched on Brigade's site for a bit and I don't see them. Perhaps it's a staggered release with US getting them after stock arrives from initial release?

It seems like there's always a lag between stuff going up on the North Star website and the same releases appearing on the Brigade website. We may see them there yet.

Which outlaw bits?

I don't always get told of new items before they are announced. And yes there is typically a lag as we order typically 1x per month - sometimes more near shows - and it takes 2-3 weeks to cast our restocks and new items stock. Of course we try to minimize any lag but it is not always possible.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Did anyone figure out how to purchase these outlaw bits from the US? I expected Brigade might have them, but alas, it doesn't seem to be the case.

If it is any consolation, I've not seen them on the Northstar site either yet

brigadegames wrote:

 mdauben wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Did anyone figure out how to purchase these outlaw bits from the US? I expected Brigade might have them, but alas, it doesn't seem to be the case.

I searched on Brigade's site for a bit and I don't see them. Perhaps it's a staggered release with US getting them after stock arrives from initial release?

It seems like there's always a lag between stuff going up on the North Star website and the same releases appearing on the Brigade website. We may see them there yet.

Which outlaw bits?

I don't always get told of new items before they are announced. And yes there is typically a lag as we order typically 1x per month - sometimes more near shows - and it takes 2-3 weeks to cast our restocks and new items stock. Of course we try to minimize any lag but it is not always possible.

Hey there, and thanks for the response. As the updates on pg41 of this thread mention, Frostgrave is now doing "upgrade kits". So I would buy a box of Frostgrave soldiers, but also a "Forest Outlaws" kit (the first of supposedly several kits to come), which let me build them with new options.

brigadegames wrote:

 mdauben wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Did anyone figure out how to purchase these outlaw bits from the US? I expected Brigade might have them, but alas, it doesn't seem to be the case.

I searched on Brigade's site for a bit and I don't see them. Perhaps it's a staggered release with US getting them after stock arrives from initial release?

It seems like there's always a lag between stuff going up on the North Star website and the same releases appearing on the Brigade website. We may see them there yet.

Which outlaw bits?

I don't always get told of new items before they are announced. And yes there is typically a lag as we order typically 1x per month - sometimes more near shows - and it takes 2-3 weeks to cast our restocks and new items stock. Of course we try to minimize any lag but it is not always possible.

It's in the title of the thread.. Page 41..

And welcome to Dakkadakka!

Has this been seen yet?

Not here it hadn't.
Looks like the Pre-order is a few months out then. The ones they're showing there look like mutant skaven.. goblin.. things.. I'll still be picking up a box. Just the one though because the pictures make it really hard to be sure of the quality of this kit :/

Could have been better but I like them.

I don't "dislike" them, but I don't love them. I know people are kind of love/hate on the other kits, but I adore their modularity. Big big fan of the soldiers, and I like the cultists.

These... eh... but I do want to keep supporting a great game, so i'll probably "back" this once it hits Brigade.

Frostgrave Diorama.

Scratch built by David Marshall of TM Terrain, and features miniatures painted by Kev Dallimore and Dave Woodward! Commissioned to go to shows like Salute.

Very nice - it captures what I imagine the city to look like.. grand stair cases, statues and courtyards.. rather than a collection of small ruined buildings ala Mordheim.

Edit: Of course, a 3x3 table full of terrain like that isn't exactly portable!

Black and White Spell Cards by WeRT

Awesome cards! Thanks Wert, I hope you find your leg!

That's pretty neat. I just ordered the Frostgrave rulebook from Warlord, who gave me a $15 coupon through e-mail randomly. Win!

I'll probably pick up the expansions and stuff once I get the book. Does anyone have suggestions for must-buy purchases and things that are perhaps worth avoiding?

Also, do we know if the Gnolls are going to be a warband with special rules or are they just going to be a "counts as" type situation?

I've only got the Thaw of the Lich Lord expansion, and I like it a lot. It includes four new classes, a few new spells, some new magic items, and a very atmospheric full-length campaign. The new classes seem reasonably balanced, except that the bard is a little weak, and the mule (basically a dude who carries stuff for you) makes the apothecary (from the basic book) seem somewhat overpriced. That said, the bard would be handy against an opponent who brings a lot of Will save type spells, so he may be situationally necessary as a useful balance against some opponents.

All that said, I think you could happily play a couple of games a week for several months before feeling the need for the 2nd book, so it's not really a must-have.

I do like the game enough that I will likely pick up the print compilation of the various PDF supplements.

The Apothecary receives a free healing potion at the start of each game. RAW you can take any healing potions he didn't use during the game and put them in the Warbands Bank. The Apothecary pays for himself very quickly.

Really? Now I had only been reading the apothecary as getting one healing potion... a free one each game is way better! Good spot.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Really? Now I had only been reading the apothecary as getting one healing potion... a free one each game is way better! Good spot.

I don't think I ever heard about it being a free potion PER game either. Interesting.

The Apothecary only gets a new potion on games that he doesn't already have one in his possession. He always starts a battle with one.

The trick is to take any unused potion from him in the post game upkeep. Just put the potion in the vault.

If he did not use it, and you do not take it away from him in the post game, he still has it next game, and won't brew a new one.

that is sneaky thinking there.. almost.. like a rpg'er.

-P

 Wehrkind wrote:
Awesome cards! Thanks Wert, I hope you find your leg!

Got my both legs here mate
I just posted answer about creating Wizard Sheet in the same style at LA. Once uploaded it will be posted at Lead-Adventures and I think it won't take long it shows here to. I'm glad you like it

I saw some fantastic terrain for Frostgrave - a ruined tower - in a Salute preview... Did someone see it in person at Salute, and maybe have pics or a link to the vendor?

this one? if so it's a scratch build by David Marshall of TM Terrain (http://www.tmterrain.co.uk/), and features miniatures painted by Kev Dallimore and Dave Woodward!

http://nstarmagazine.com/FROSTGRAVE_11_1.htm

but BoW did say Renedra is planning to do a ruined version of their tower



https://youtu.be/_m5vLe_obVs

Renedra doing a ruined version of their tower kinda makes me want to build the scene from Willow where they set up shop in the abandoned keep and end up fighting off the weird troll monster thing.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Spoiler:

this one? if so it's a scratch build by David Marshall of TM Terrain (http://www.tmterrain.co.uk/), and features miniatures painted by Kev Dallimore and Dave Woodward!

http://nstarmagazine.com/FROSTGRAVE_11_1.htm

but BoW did say Renedra is planning to do a ruined version of their tower



https://youtu.be/_m5vLe_obVs

Orlando - not those, but they are nice!

I remembered seeing it on TTGN, and this is it:



from:

http://www.urbanconstruct.co.uk/

New 28mm resin scenery including ruined wizard’s tower, ruined walls, ruined pillars, 7 different piles of rubble, library bookcases, piles of frozen mouldy books, treasure tokens and magic weapon tokens. The scenery is suitable for fantasy scenarios such as D&D and other wizard skirmish games. The rubble can also be used with our flyover and for modern or zombie wargames. The walls and tower can be used with our existing castle range. As usual, our models are highly textured and detailed.

See us at Salute, London – stand TA18. If the main entrance is where it was last year, turn immediately right as you come in and we are a few stands up. We will be launching other new models and vehicles at Salute, so come and have a look.

 Alpharius wrote:
I saw some fantastic terrain for Frostgrave - a ruined tower - in a Salute preview... Did someone see it in person at Salute, and maybe have pics or a link to the vendor?

I haven't seen anything from Salute, but I believe both Renedra (plastic) and 4Ground (laser cut wood) have recently done ruined towers intended for Frostgrave.

I found it - it is in the post right above yours - I think?

The Forest Outlaw conversion kit is out now:
http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=8279

£5 for 25 parts
not bad, but it seems its not a sprue/set as such, you just get 25 random parts:
"You will receive at least 25 metal pieces to customise your Frostgrave Soldiers. It is a random selection taken from the parts shown in the photograph, you are not guaranteed to get every piece shown."

They can't keep the contents consistent? Are they using the Raisin Bran "two scoops" method?

That's... a strange way to do a set of conversion parts. You expect it with things like stocktake grab bags and such, but for a regular retail release you'd expect the contents to be set.

Yeah,
But £5 is quite cheap! That's 20p a bit.
Just buy 2 or 3 if your making an outlaw party.

I built my renedra tower and ruins.
The tower is glorious. And modular.

Size next to the GW watch tower.


And smaller by simply removing a level.


I also picked up the 3x3 deep cut studios winter snow castle mat.


Panic...

What is the height of each level of the tower in inches preferably, but I can deal with mm if your so inclined , also the overall height full built? Thanks

 Nicky J wrote:
The Forest Outlaw conversion kit is out now:
http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=8279

£5 for 25 parts
not bad, but it seems its not a sprue/set as such, you just get 25 random parts:
"You will receive at least 25 metal pieces to customise your Frostgrave Soldiers. It is a random selection taken from the parts shown in the photograph, you are not guaranteed to get every piece shown."

That sounds incredibly stupid.

So you might get no left arms for example, or no heads?
Who would ever want to buy that for £5.00?

Joe posted a link to his blog which lists all the official Frostgrave Material he's written and where to find it

Frostgrave

All Frostgrave products currently available:

Frostgrave: Fantasy Wargames in the Frozen City (Main Rulebook)

Frostgrave: Thaw of the Lich Lord (Campaign and Expansion)

Frostgrave: Tales of the Frozen City (Fiction Collection - Not by me!)

Frostgrave: Sellsword (ebook mini expansion - includes rules for Captains!)

Frostgrave: Hunt for the Golem (ebook mini campaign)

Frostgrave: Dark Alchemy (ebook mini campaign for playing solo or co-op. New potion rules)

Freebies!

Standing in the Eye! (A charity scenario)

Troll Hunt (A scenario for wizards who think they are so tough...)

Magazine Articles

The Frostgrave Auction (Found in Wargames Soldier and Strategy Issue 83)

Extra Content for Above Article (Posted on this Blog)

Scenario: The Bridges of the Mal Dreath (Tabletop Gaming Issue 3)

Skeletal Archers in Frostgrave (Wargames Illustrated Issue 341)

The Cuelebre (In Spanish - Falcata Issue 1) [Rules for a dragon-like creature]

Campaign Days

The Lost Formula (written for Wargames Illustrated Frostgrave Campaign Day)

If anything on that list interests you his original article, that I liked to above, has links to each.

WeRT wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Awesome cards! Thanks Wert, I hope you find your leg!

Got my both legs here mate
I just posted answer about creating Wizard Sheet in the same style at LA. Once uploaded it will be posted at Lead-Adventures and I think it won't take long it shows here to. I'm glad you like it

Hehe, sorry, Diablo 1 reference. Though come to think of it, his name might have been spelled "Wirt".

Update 06.05.2016

Change log:

Magic Cards ver. 0.2
- new back face with b&w Frostgrave logo
- back face have more white areas to save your ink or laser toner
- removed all sorcerer schools cards
- instead added 1 clear card from each school (fan spells)
- cast roll font greatly reduced and moved up
- now you can write by yourself CURRENT cast difficulty each time it has been changed. Just use eraser and pencil. Base level is still there!

Wizard Sheet ver. 0.1
- first public iteration
- only 2 pages
- all warband members at one side - wizard, apprentice, 12 soldiers and sellsword slots
- with magic cards ver. 0.2 till end of the game you don’t need to turn page
- without magic cards you can still track current cast difficulty (like base cast / school modifications / upgrade and sum for all of them)
- xp tracker is simple “if you do something, mark square and play - you will count after gameplay”. In cast / kills you will find bold square every 10 for fast counting.
- sheet have same visual style as magic cards ver. 0.2 - glory to the classical 80's/90’s!

I like that wizard sheet better than the Osprey one. Reminds me of old school character sheets for RPGs and the like.

Are the spell cards suitable for printing on a laminate style card or do they need a bit of work for that?

Wert, I love the new look of the cards and Wizard sheet

Gret work WeRT and thanks for making it freely available!

Have an Exalt good sir!

Update 09.05.2016

So... I got email from Philip Smith, Osprey Publishing Games Manager, about IP rights for Frostgrave logo and Magic Schools symbols on my Magic Cards and Wizard Sheet. I might not agree with all of his statements but I respect their rights. I didn't knew (but to be fair I don't even ask) if Audrey sold not only design but his symbols too. IP holder is Osprey and this is fact.

What does it means? I removed both, cards and sheet from my google drive. They'll be not available for some time. I need to invent and draw new icons and then place them into cards / sheet. It might take few days. What goes for Frostgrave logo, Osprey Publishing used free commercial font called "Folkard":

http://www.dafont.com/folkard.font?text=FROSTGRAVE

Ofc. Without problems and breaking any EU laws I can change it into Frosttomb or Frozengrave (I even ask about it my company lawyer) but ... we are not living in Asia. I won't create another Abbibas or Puna.
We all should respect others.

TL;DR - Card gone for some time. Will back soon. Stay tuned!

Thanks for the update WeRT.

I look forward to seeing the new version, whenever you get around to it.

In the mean time, I'll just have to comfort myself with the PDFs I already downloaded...

Is Wargames Illustrated, and the other magazines linked, available in .pdf format? I'd be interested in the extra rules, but I'm not sure if WHSmith will carry back issues from two months ago.


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Also regarding rule, check out this thread for a few more listings.

If you click on the link to the original article, those titles link to the applicable sites. I'm pretty sure all of them have PDFs available.

The artcile you linked to lists the same articles. The only additional one listed there is the Diabolist's Scheme, which is written by Cory Ring, which I believe is a well made fan piece, since it isn't written by Joseph A. McCullough

If new players are unaware The Official Rules Thread is handled by Joseph A. McCullough, over on the Lead Adventure Forum. It contains the FAQ, Errata, and Joe will directly answer questions, that aren't in the FAQ.

Ah, tah, nah, I was just checking as some of those sites say they're for Kindles and I don't know if they use a proprietary document format.

And aye, if you search the Lead Adventure board for Frostgrave there'll be link to some unofficially scenarios, along with your usual discussions and painting/modeling threads.

It kinda irks me that some of their material only exists in PDF.. I wish they would at least put out a compendium or something. I really don't like gaming rules in e-book format..

I think Joe said they planned to do a compilation of the PDF stuff later in the year.

There is almost always a delay in that kind of situation, as most of us would prefer hardcopy rules that have a spine so we can find them easily, and you need a certain minimum pagecount for that to be viable.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think Joe said they planned to do a compilation of the PDF stuff later in the year.

There is almost always a delay in that kind of situation, as most of us would prefer hardcopy rules that have a spine so we can find them easily, and you need a certain minimum pagecount for that to be viable.

That does make sense, though I kinda feel like with the existing books being so thin, there would be room to add them as bonus content. Especially knowing that we've got 2 upcoming books. Either way, I am glad we're not seeing a smattering of splat books like we've seen for games like D&D or various GW releases over the years.

With the .pdfs, the current state IIRC is that Joe owns the copyright, but isn't going to reprint them any time soon as its business for the third parties.

I couldn't find any backcovers today so I guess its the .pdfs for me. :(

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think Joe said they planned to do a compilation of the PDF stuff later in the year.

There is almost always a delay in that kind of situation, as most of us would prefer hardcopy rules that have a spine so we can find them easily, and you need a certain minimum pagecount for that to be viable.

From Phil Smith, Games Manager in Osprey Games:
"Sellsword (and the other PDF supplements) will be collected (along with some other goodies) into a print volume in the Spring."

Source:
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=90182.msg1114137#msg1114137

ps. Because 2 supplements are planed in this year I'm sure he's talking about Spring in 2017

Joe has always said that the Hunt for the Golem, Sellsword, Dark Alchemy, and any other PDF he writes like that would end up in a printed compliation, but probably not until 2017.

Update 29.05.2016





Download link: (Public Google Drive Folder)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1MwYZkkVnAaRl91UjY5U0NfNm8

Change log:
- new icons
- cards gets more white space to save toners
- cards symbols are moved to right to get roll number visible at left when you have cards in your hand
- minor changes in wizard sheet. More space for spells, less space for base, typography
- instead official frostgrave logo you have information "unofficial wizard sheet for FROSTGRAVE"
- at every paper you have information about Joe and Frostgrave IP laws
- hope so Frostgrave font will bring you all memories

Nicely done WeRT !!

You are the Frostgrave man Wert! They should be sending you a small but appropriate paycheck for this sort of work.

@Wehrkind - I hope they never will. I've got a job which I like and doing fan materials for fan base for free is how HOBBY should looks like (And it does in 80's and 90's). In fact Joe and Osprey give people a tons more opportunity to create such things without acting like "well known game industry in UK". I've got few ideas what I will be doing next (sheets / more cards), have almost ready scenario based on "Element of Risk" by Ken Rolstone from 1987 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4vx6oFCfDjmQ1h6N0R3VGNUbTQ/view?usp=sharing). And playing more and more Frostgrave ofc

@adamsouza - thanks again man!

WeRT wrote:
@Wehrkind - I hope they never will. I've got a job which I like and doing fan materials for fan base for free is how HOBBY should looks like (And it does in 80's and 90's). In fact Joe and Osprey give people a tons more opportunity to create such things without acting like "well known game industry in UK". I've got few ideas what I will be doing next (sheets / more cards), have almost ready scenario based on "Element of Risk" by Ken Rolstone from 1987 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4vx6oFCfDjmQ1h6N0R3VGNUbTQ/view?usp=sharing). And playing more and more Frostgrave ofc

@adamsouza - thanks again man!

There are a lot of people that are still very far into the hobby aspect but you're so right. It seems we're so inundated with ready made kits that people fret at the notion of making their own sheets, terrain, or really even painting their own figures. It's what I fell in love with about the hobby in the first place and I think it might be the root of why I've been so disenchanted with wargaming of late.

Incidentally, the sheet looks rather nice. Job well done

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet. The "Gnickstarter" pre-order for Into the Breeding Pits has started!

Here at Northstar Military Figuresin the UK:
http://northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=195&cat=540&page=1

and at Brigade Games in the US:
http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/Frostgrave-Gnickstarter-Into-the-Breeding-Pits_c_620.html


I'm looking at the Level 4 myself, perhaps with a few add-ons I've decided I need for the game since the Thaw of the Lich Lord last year. Maybe another box of cultists, too...

I had a good look at the Gnickstarter and have decided to wait till retail. Haven't played all the scenarios from Lich Lord yet, and I don't need any of the stretch goals.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I had a good look at the Gnickstarter and have decided to wait till retail. Haven't played all the scenarios from Lich Lord yet, and I don't need any of the stretch goals.

Same here. I'll just buy the book discounted at Amazon and use Bones minis. Worked well for me so far

The actual Gnickstarter page with the stretch goals and total so far is : http://nstarmagazine.com/INTO_THE_BREEDING_PITS.htm

So far I am a sucker for all things Frostgrave, and even love their aesthetic, so i'll probably grab a Level 2, and maybe my third box of the FG Soldiers (love that kit for Mordheim, etc...)

Any link to the list of stretch-goals, etc?

Edit: Nevermind... ninja posted. :-p

Hardly a surprise, but I really like those metal Gnolls. I totally don't need more figures, but I'm very tempted to go for the level 3, Pit Warrior level.

I've gone for Level 2 myself. Won't want the entire set of extras and so will gradually add them if I want them later.

WeRT wrote:
@Wehrkind - I hope they never will. I've got a job which I like and doing fan materials for fan base for free is how HOBBY should looks like (And it does in 80's and 90's). In fact Joe and Osprey give people a tons more opportunity to create such things without acting like "well known game industry in UK". I've got few ideas what I will be doing next (sheets / more cards), have almost ready scenario based on "Element of Risk" by Ken Rolstone from 1987 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4vx6oFCfDjmQ1h6N0R3VGNUbTQ/view?usp=sharing). And playing more and more Frostgrave ofc

@adamsouza - thanks again man!

I hear ya, I just mean that were I to run my own wargame company and a devoted fan were to make really great supplemental things like character sheets and cards then give them away to the players, I would feel compelled to send them a nice thank you note and a box of models or cash or something. Love of the game and high fives from us forum grognards is one thing, but the guys who make Frostgrave owe you a debt for making Frostgrave better. Maybe not in the form of a W-2 form and a pay stub, but something nice

Man, I remember using Word Perfect to make army lists with stats for Battlesystem back in the day, to be printed out on my dot matrix printer. That was time better spent doing just about anything else hobby related!

Just went in on a Level 4. I've been all-in since on Frostgrave ever since I first picked up the main rulebook. It has been a great casual game to play with my kids.

Anyone have a clue what size of board will be needed for a Into the Breeding Pits board?

I'm thinking 1 by 1 or 2 by 2? Looking at my own work in progress dungeon, 1 by 1, with all its winding tunnels, already looks big.

yeah,
I must have missed it; But what info do we have that into the breeding pits is played in dungeons?

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I must have missed it; But what info do we have that into the breeding pits is played in dungeons?

Panic...

Amazon description, which I believe is the standard blurb anyone else will use for it:

With this new supplement for Frostgrave, players lead their warbands into the vast network of catacombs, sewers, and dungeons that run beneath the Frozen City. It was in these dark confines that ancient wizards experimented on living creatures, creating strange hybrids and deadly monsters, many of which still roam the forgotten passageways. Along with a host of new scenarios, treasures, spells, and creatures, the book also contains rules for running games of Frostgrave set in dungeons, including traps and secret passages. With the wonderful and rare magical treasures to be discovered, will players risk taking their warbands down into the Breeding Pits?

Chapter 1: Underground Exploration

yeah,
Cool thanks. Very interesting.

this might be the final push needed to finish off my 3d Dungeon bowl pitch, now it could have dual purpose.

Panic...

Nowadays there's quite a few Dungeon based games. Problem is, they mostly use proprietary tables.

Personally though, I'd rather build myself a 3D one like [url=http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=30403.0]this/url]. Though I'm mental.

Construction wise my own plan's to make a 1 by 1 generic cave system, and add less generic tiles to expand it to 2 by 2, then another style for to fit 3 by 3. Ideally that'd be a covering a Kwama egg mine from Morrowind and then Dwemer style ruins from Skyrim.

That's if the ruleset copes. As I don't have the rules to hand I don't know how large the boards can be, corridor size, trap/ treasure/ boss placement etc. Rather its making a best guess, but there's probably a lot of leeway.

IIRC is there not already a scenario involving a dungeon in Thaw of the Lich Lord?

Hey guys, as many have already discovered, Frostgrave doesn't need too many rules changes to play underground or in a dungeon set-up. There are a few things small things that needed to be modified, but nothing major. For the most part, the underground rules are about adding new options for things like traps and secret passages. You can still play on any type or size of board you want.

Really looking forward to breaking out my Itar's Workshop tunnels and dungeon rooms again for the new book... when I eventually pick it up.

joe5mc wrote:
Hey guys, as many have already discovered, Frostgrave doesn't need too many rules changes to play underground or in a dungeon set-up. There are a few things small things that needed to be modified, but nothing major. For the most part, the underground rules are about adding new options for things like traps and secret passages. You can still play on any type or size of board you want.

Will that include being able to piece together corridor-and-rooms dungeons from dungeon tiles from the various dungeon crawler boardgames that use them?

What about space corridors and industrial towers?

I am using the Frostgrave rules with a desert table...

Similarly I think I've seen a Star Wars Frostgrave thread somewhere.

Free Fungus! The Frostgrave 'Gnickstarter' for Into the Breeding Pits has just hit its 3rd Spend Goal, which means most orders will receive a free 'Violent Fungus' Model.

http://nstarmagazine.com/INTO_THE_BREEDING_PITS.htm

Yes, I think 'Violent Fungus' is funny, even if no one else does.

It also makes more sense then violet fungus ever did

 adamsouza wrote:
It also makes more sense then violet fungus ever did

But I'm going to have to paint my Violent Fungus violet.

 mdauben wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
It also makes more sense then violet fungus ever did

But I'm going to have to paint my Violent Fungus violet.

I bet you paint all your rogues rouge, too.

from facebook, test shot of the Gnoll sprue (so they may still need to tweek the mould or the casting pressue/volume etc) from a quick iPhone snap

proper shots promised soon

They're looking great!

They'd fit in a Warhammer Beastman army quite easily, but I really dislike the chunky design of the plastic kits. You can get away with more I guess as they're fantasy creature, but I'd stick with Perry kits or the like when it comes to human models, just because these are so awfully proportioned. :(

I agree the FG soldiers are not the greatest models in the world but they are certainly the greatest for their price. I feel the gnolls are an even better value prospect. The other source of good gnolls in 28mm is Otherworld and their prices are bonkers.

well, there are the D&D prepainted and Pathfinder figs.. but not the greatest for a wargame. Wonderful for RPGs though..

Yes I used them pretty extensively back when I played a lot of 3.5 but they are really insufficient (at least to me) when it comes to miniatures gaming, not even in the same league as Northstars gnolls IMO.

Just two more days to go on the Gnickstarter!

Looking forward to these models. They are going to be great for D&D.

I signed up through Brigade a few days after they announced it.. and honestly I thought it had ended a week or two ago..
Glad more things got unlocked and I look forward to the new goodies.. minis, rules, etc..
I am slightly concerned the size difference between these and the Tre Manor Bones Gnolls is going to be too extreme. I've got a fair number of those too..

from Northstar Facespace

'Tis Over. The Gnickstarter grand total is £28505.38. That means we just skipped over the Spend Total line to free the second Violent Mushroom, and gets you two free wallpapers for your screens. Thank you everyone for participating, I'll keep you informed on the progress of getting everything sent out.

It is the one year anniversary of Frostgrave! In celebration, I have written a 'State of Play' report and am holding a contest on my blog. Stop on by for a chance to win!

http://bit.ly/29ILR4U

 MLaw wrote:
I signed up through Brigade a few days after they announced it.. and honestly I thought it had ended a week or two ago..
Glad more things got unlocked and I look forward to the new goodies.. minis, rules, etc..
I am slightly concerned the size difference between these and the Tre Manor Bones Gnolls is going to be too extreme. I've got a fair number of those too..

I plan on using the Northstar gnolls as gnolls and my Reaper gnolls as Flind. that way I can build up a large gnoll army and have a fewer number of Flind as elites.

New unofficial official rules.

Arachno Assassins!



Yeah, I sense that someone may be writing rules supplement just as an excuse to use models from their collection too...

Anyone know if the Gnickstarter rewards are shipping from Brigade yet or what the ETA is?

 MLaw wrote:
Anyone know if the Gnickstarter rewards are shipping from Brigade yet or what the ETA is?

I spoke with Lon at Historicon. He said the Gnickstarter stuff arrived just as they were finishing packing up the truck to head to Virginia, and they'd start the sorting and shipping as soon as they got back.

Saw the book today at my local store. Quite tempting, especially now that those secret weapon tiles are going to be kickstarted soon.

By the time those arrive I probably will have actually finished painting all my plastic guys!

 Psychopomp wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Anyone know if the Gnickstarter rewards are shipping from Brigade yet or what the ETA is?

I spoke with Lon at Historicon. He said the Gnickstarter stuff arrived just as they were finishing packing up the truck to head to Virginia, and they'd start the sorting and shipping as soon as they got back.

Lon is from Brigade then? Hrm.. hopefully this doesn't take as long as it sounds like lol. My boys are still home on break and this would give an awesome way to kill some time.

 MLaw wrote:

 Psychopomp wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Anyone know if the Gnickstarter rewards are shipping from Brigade yet or what the ETA is?

I spoke with Lon at Historicon. He said the Gnickstarter stuff arrived just as they were finishing packing up the truck to head to Virginia, and they'd start the sorting and shipping as soon as they got back.

Lon is from Brigade then? Hrm.. hopefully this doesn't take as long as it sounds like lol. My boys are still home on break and this would give an awesome way to kill some time.

Lon Weiss from Brigade Games, yes. I introduced myself while buying some Copplestone Minis (which they carry now!) because we'd recently emailed about adding something to my Gnickstarter before it closed. That's when he mentioned the shipment coming in just before they left. The last day of Historicon was Sunday, so I imagine some have been shipped out already...but notice the word 'imagine'. Just supposition.

Anyone who's still on the fence about FG should definitely pick it up. There are some tiny flaws in the ruleset IMO, but then, I hear that a Bugatti Veyron has some minor cornering issues. I'm still playing it pretty regularly and enjoyably a year after getting it though. Not the Bugatti. That is sadly out of my price range. But Frostgrave isn't!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Saw the book today at my local store. Quite tempting, especially now that those secret weapon tiles are going to be kickstarted soon.

By the time those arrive I probably will have actually finished painting all my plastic guys!

Huh, I thought that the release wasn't till the 28th of this month? Though aye, a load of people already have there's (presumably from the Gnickstarter).

 MLaw wrote:
Anyone know if the Gnickstarter rewards are shipping from Brigade yet or what the ETA is?

I just got an email from Brigade today that my Gnickstarter package was shipped. No indication of ETA, though.

 mdauben wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Anyone know if the Gnickstarter rewards are shipping from Brigade yet or what the ETA is?

I just got an email from Brigade today that my Gnickstarter package was shipped. No indication of ETA, though.

Thanks for the heads up

Got my Gnickstarter level 4 pledge today.

Got to say, the pictures do NOT do the plastic gnolls justice.
They are really awesome figures with lots of options.

Really superior all the way.
Well done!

I'll be buying two more boxes as soon as I can.

Yeah I have to agree.. I expected them to be one of those things that's similar to Mantic feet.. where you get the kit and have to overlook something that is just really off.. I expected it to be their faces.. or possibly their legs.
Nope!
Solid kit all around. I do wish the FG miniatures weren't 25mm or whatever they are that isn't 28 heroic. Other than that I'm very happy with them.

 MLaw wrote:
Yeah I have to agree.. I expected them to be one of those things that's similar to Mantic feet.. where you get the kit and have to overlook something that is just really off.. I expected it to be their faces.. or possibly their legs.
Nope!
Solid kit all around. I do wish the FG miniatures weren't 25mm or whatever they are that isn't 28 heroic. Other than that I'm very happy with them.

I just compared one to a warhammer empire greatsword soldier and they are identical height... so I think the plastic gnolls are 28mm/heroic. The frostgrave metals seem to be a bit smaller scaled though...

Seren Nishiyama wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Yeah I have to agree.. I expected them to be one of those things that's similar to Mantic feet.. where you get the kit and have to overlook something that is just really off.. I expected it to be their faces.. or possibly their legs.
Nope!
Solid kit all around. I do wish the FG miniatures weren't 25mm or whatever they are that isn't 28 heroic. Other than that I'm very happy with them.

I just compared one to a warhammer empire greatsword soldier and they are identical height... so I think the plastic gnolls are 28mm/heroic. The frostgrave metals seem to be a bit smaller scaled though...

Cool.. I do try to run my gnolls a bit taller than humans but if they're the same height that's not so bad..

Cool, glad to hear the gnolls look really good in person. I am not all about the hyena men, but it is a really nice option to have.

A little more in depth.
The sprue contains numerous options.
The details of the components have a very well executed primitive/disheveled look. It's very tribesman-ish.
The arms don't have anything that really identifies them as being beastly... so doing arm swaps with the soldier kit (and possibly the cultists but I don't own that one yet) shouldn't be an issue. I really like the design choices they've made on almost all of the weapons. There's one little dagger that's kinda weird but otherwise the sculpts are largely impressive.
There are a lot of heavy wrappings and leather bracers around the wrists. I sculpt and I am happy to see those as they open up some opportunities but they also make hand swaps a lot easier... so score.
Each sprue has 2 bows and a crossbow.. and I have to say I like them far better than the ones from the soldier set. There are also 10 head options per frame. Some are not so great (only one or two really) and some are extremely unique so having duplicates might put a few people off.
One thing they did was to steer almost completely clear of peripheral gear. To me that was a shame as I loved the ropes and stuff that reminded me of Mordheim from the soldier box. There are a couple of shields, a little bone pouch thing, another little bone with maybe a medicine bag, a pouch with a sheathed hand axe, and a tied off sword.. but that's it. No packs or bed rolls or captured game or severed heads. It does make sense to me though and I'm not torn up about any of it.

Now, the production level is a separate topic from the design elements. I feel like Renedra's production on these is on point. The plastic seems comparable to HIPS from GW or Mantic's kits that use it. The tooling is crisp and the mold lines are extremely manageable.

The pewter bits that shipped with mine were 3 dire rats, a hyena, and ..uh.. 2 ..angry mushroom guys(?)
The dire rats are a little cartoony compared to the hyena. The plastic gnolls I would say are only mildly cartoony but the rats are a slight step more towards the older style sculpting. The hyena looks like a educational model of a hyena to my eye.. It's very strictly scaled and very tightly sculpted.
The weird mushroom guys.. For what they are they're well done. One is not what I'd consider one of their better offerings, with rather odd design choices. The other is a solid entrant into that very niche category.

If people enjoyed this let me know. I haven't gotten into the book or wizard sheet yet but I will shortly. If you would like a little review of that like this one I can oblige as well (it's not considered OT to do reviews right?)

Good to hear.

I got talked down out of pledging for this one unfortunately. Good to hear about the quality.

I have the cultists, and I really like them I haven't put many together as I'm waiting to get a box of soldiers (as well as some WW2 German weapons in plastic to make some good and proper evil pulp style cultists) to convert them.

If the arms for the Gnolls aren't overly hairy then I may add those to the mix.

Did you happen to get any of the metal gnolls? Any word on them?

I was a bit disappointed with the Frostgrave mushrooms. The sculpts left a lot to be desired from what I say, but then again I've been knee deep in Ganesha's Fighting Fungi these past few weeks so maybe my view of niche mushroom men is a bit biased.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Good to hear.

I got talked down out of pledging for this one unfortunately. Good to hear about the quality.

I have the cultists, and I really like them I haven't put many together as I'm waiting to get a box of soldiers (as well as some WW2 German weapons in plastic to make some good and proper evil pulp style cultists) to convert them.

If the arms for the Gnolls aren't overly hairy then I may add those to the mix.

Did you happen to get any of the metal gnolls? Any word on them?

I was a bit disappointed with the Frostgrave mushrooms. The sculpts left a lot to be desired from what I say, but then again I've been knee deep in Ganesha's Fighting Fungi these past few weeks so maybe my view of niche mushroom men is a bit biased.

I thought a metal gnoll was unlocked as a freebie but I didn't see one in the box.
There's not really any hair at all on the arms. Which sounds like they wouldn't look right on a gnoll but I really don't think it'll be missed if you paint them up in regular gnoll colors.

I have to admit, I want a box of the cultists for similar reasons.

 MLaw wrote:
Anyone know if the Gnickstarter rewards are shipping from Brigade yet or what the ETA is?

I received mine last Friday.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Did you happen to get any of the metal gnolls? Any word on them?

Yes indeed! I bought all of them, minus the Chieftain. I love them!

 MLaw wrote:
I thought a metal gnoll was unlocked as a freebie but I didn't see one in the box.

I thought something was unlocked as free but didn't see anything in the box other than what I specifically purchased.

 Manchu wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Anyone know if the Gnickstarter rewards are shipping from Brigade yet or what the ETA is?

I received mine last Friday.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Did you happen to get any of the metal gnolls? Any word on them?

Yes indeed! I bought all of them, minus the Chieftain. I love them!

 MLaw wrote:
I thought a metal gnoll was unlocked as a freebie but I didn't see one in the box.

I thought something was unlocked as free but didn't see anything in the box other than what I specifically purchased.

My metal freebies were in little baggies floating around in the peanuts.. I almost didn't see them.. Maybe send a message to brigade or something?

Freebies should have been some giant rats, a hyena, and some mushroom men.

Dang, when's the retail release? I want a box now

The Gnolls are now available through North Star: http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=8419

I just stumbled across this Kickstarter for apprentice wizards. I thought they might be fun if I ever actually get to play this game...
Wizard's Apprentices Fantasy Figures from Midlam Miniatures

joe5mc wrote:
The Gnolls are now available through North Star: http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=8419

North Star's shipping is awful. Wayland carries FG for $22 a box for the plastics so I'll wait for them to get them in. Free shipping and super cheap = don't mind a 3 week wait.

I don't think I've ever seen Frostgrave stuff that cheap Judge Doug. Best price on gnolls I can find so far is about 32 with shipping included out of the UK to California.

Is that price through their website or their eBay page?

Every time I've ordered via Wayland's eBay page I've gotten it ridiculously quick, but usually I'm only ordering 1 or 2 items.

Here you go:

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/frostgrave/30415-frostgrave-cultists?search_query=cultists&results=31

They don't have the gnolls yet, obviously.

 judgedoug wrote:

joe5mc wrote:
The Gnolls are now available through North Star: http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=8419

North Star's shipping is awful. Wayland carries FG for $22 a box for the plastics so I'll wait for them to get them in. Free shipping and super cheap = don't mind a 3 week wait.

Wow... Thanks for the head's up, Doug. I didn't realize how cheap Wayland was, even shipping to the US for Frostgrave. I love those Soldier/Cultist/Gnoll kits, and always need more... snuck a 3x3 mat into my order, and boom... free shipping.

Wayland also offers free shipping to the US for orders over a certain amount, excluding items designated "bulky."

EDIT: Ah I see you already noticed

Yeah, sadly, Deep Cut Studios Neoprene mats were "bulky" and only available within the EU, whereas their cloth ones were neither, and dirt cheap, putting me into free-shipping. :-)

I can't overstate how much I love the FG soldier kits. As modular kits go they have so many options, and just a nice, flavorful 90's Perry Bros Empire kind of aesthetic.

Just FYI on Wayland.. they list things that aren't in stock sometimes.. and don't notify you that it's not in stock or when it might be.. I ordered some things from them a while back and a month later had not heard anything so tried to find out what was up. They acted like I was insane for thinking they should've already shipped it (after they FINALLY responded) and gave me my money back. I've heard they've gotten better but thought I'd make sure that was out there.

As to other distributors.. Warlord sells Frostgrave stuff and while it's not really discounted, they are running a free shipping promo from the 27th until August 3rd.
Coupon code - JOHNSBIRTHDAY

They do have Frostgrave as well as various terrain that's usable and other goodies..

Wayland lists each product as In Stock or Available to Order. Whenever an order does not ship to me within a week or so, Wayland sends me an email explaining that something is still not in stock. I can log in to find exactly which items are still not in stock. In one situation recently, a few weeks went by and they finally offered to ship what was in stock and let me either cancel or wait on the remainder - all for free - but I declined because I was in no rush. As it turned out, the tardy item came back into stock a day or so later and the order shipped out. I have been using Wayland for the last couple of years and I have been ordering a ton of stuff from them lately (thanks Brexit!) and I have had all positive experiences.

 Manchu wrote:
Wayland lists each product as In Stock or Available to Order. Whenever an order does not ship to me within a week or so, Wayland sends me an email explaining that something is still not in stock. I can log in to find exactly which items are still not in stock. In one situation recently, a few weeks went by and they finally offered to ship what was in stock and let me either cancel or wait on the remainder - all for free - but I declined because I was in no rush. As it turned out, the tardy item came back into stock a day or so later and the order shipped out. I have been using Wayland for the last couple of years and I have been ordering a ton of stuff from them lately (thanks Brexit!) and I have had all positive experiences.

In fairness, I did say I heard they had improved.. this was sometime between 2010-2013 I want to say that I had my experience..

I ordered some stuff from them late last year that they pretty much accepted they weren't going to be able to get to me any time soon, after a few weeks of back-and-forth helpdesk tickets (some Otherworld and some Mantic minis). Took me some more back-and-forth to get a full refund. So I am not sure they have improved all that much.

Edit: Wayland, that is. My orders from North Star have mostly been pretty smooth, though I've stopped ordering Nickstarters because it feels like you can usually get their new releases cheaper in an FLGS or elsewhere.

Here's a more "realistic" picture of the gnoll kit from facebook. It looks more to me what an average person would do.

Not bad. I'm still of the opinion that they look fine with a modest paint-job.

I think the soldiers/cultists are excellent kits, and would put these behind them, but will still get a set to populate "Into the Breeding Pits" monster encounter table.

I think they look good. The three toed feet bug me, but otherwise, not bad. I'd field them.

I like the "regular person" paintjob much better than the retail pics. I have to look past Northstar's studio style most of the time. Not saying it's bad, just not to my taste.

I think a lot of critics around these parts also forget how hard it is to make modular kits that also look natural in any combination of parts, as well as cool.

People at large are so used to dynamically posed, engineered models, that they forget that the function of kits like this is to be able to WYWIWYG a HUGE variety of gear onto a model, usually for campaign games where characters/models may come and go frequently, and you'll often be painting up a new guy here or there, as you add them to your warband.

 Manchu wrote:
I like the "regular person" paintjob much better than the retail pics. I have to look past Northstar's studio style most of the time. Not saying it's bad, just not to my taste.

There has been a push in recent years for studio paint jobs such as GW, Mantic, etc al, to highlight to white, and the end result looks really bad. I also prefer the more realistic Perry Historicals or LOTR style paint jobs, if you know what I mean.


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 MLaw wrote:
Just FYI on Wayland.. they list things that aren't in stock sometimes.. and don't notify you that it's not in stock or when it might be..

Thankfully it's not like that anymore. It's very clear when you look at an item whether it's in stock, or available to order. When it's available to order, you have to wait for a) Wayland to order from distributor b) distributor to order from manufacturer c) manufacturer to send to distributor d) distributor to send to wayland.

Order all items that are "in stock" and ships next day. However, I pretty much accept a multi-week wait for any of my orders with "available to order".

Amusingly I placed an order July 5, all of it was "available to order", within a week, everything but one item was allocated to the order. They shipped everything but that one item to me on their own accord because apparently they received word that the one item I was waiting on, a £6 item, was being remolded by the manufacturer and would be help up further. So I'm quite happy with 'em. The low pound, big discounts, and free shipping to the USA threshold more than makes up for a few weeks wait versus buying from Northstar or other UK based people and paying ridiculous things like 25% shipping rates or not having VAT removed LOL

I got my Gnickstarter in yesterday, and I'm very pleased with the whole package. I ordered a Level 4, and even knowing what I was getting, actually seeing the amount of metal in the box with the plastics and book was a bit shocking!

I also love the rules. The dungeon rules are just what I'd expected from Frostgrave - simple, yet just crunchy enough to be interesting without being overwhelming.

I also like how the Gnolls bestiary entry directs you to use the stats for normal warriors, plus these two statblocks for the cheiftain and shaman. I love the system where a "Gnolls" entry on the random encounter table will send you to a seperate chart for a variety of different possible Gnoll warrior + character combinations. I'm planning on reverse-engineering that comcept to my Death Cultists, as well.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I like the "regular person" paintjob much better than the retail pics. I have to look past Northstar's studio style most of the time. Not saying it's bad, just not to my taste.

There has been a push in recent years for studio paint jobs such as GW, Mantic, etc al, to highlight to white, and the end result looks really bad. I also prefer the more realistic Perry Historicals or LOTR style paint jobs, if you know what I mean.


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 MLaw wrote:
Just FYI on Wayland.. they list things that aren't in stock sometimes.. and don't notify you that it's not in stock or when it might be..

Thankfully it's not like that anymore. It's very clear when you look at an item whether it's in stock, or available to order. When it's available to order, you have to wait for a) Wayland to order from distributor b) distributor to order from manufacturer c) manufacturer to send to distributor d) distributor to send to wayland.

Order all items that are "in stock" and ships next day. However, I pretty much accept a multi-week wait for any of my orders with "available to order".

Amusingly I placed an order July 5, all of it was "available to order", within a week, everything but one item was allocated to the order. They shipped everything but that one item to me on their own accord because apparently they received word that the one item I was waiting on, a £6 item, was being remolded by the manufacturer and would be help up further. So I'm quite happy with 'em. The low pound, big discounts, and free shipping to the USA threshold more than makes up for a few weeks wait versus buying from Northstar or other UK based people and paying ridiculous things like 25% shipping rates or not having VAT removed LOL

That certainly seems to be the case - MLaw seems to be using outdated info/experiences.

Hopefully Wayland keeps it up and ends up becoming (or staying) a really good source for USA customers.

Gnolls look ok but certainly nothing like the awesome cover art that got me interested in the first place.

 JoshInJapan wrote:
I just stumbled across this Kickstarter for apprentice wizards. I thought they might be fun if I ever actually get to play this game...
Wizard's Apprentices Fantasy Figures from Midlam Miniatures

Thank you, thank you, thank you for that link.

Just bought six apprentices.


As it happens I already had good apprentice models for adult apprentices, but teens work as a nice alternative and are very good for the price.



Gripping Beast Arab spearmen and archers - you can buy them by the sprue on eBay.

Combine them with


Gripping Beast Dark Age Warriors

Nice cloaks can be found fro the Fireforge games Templar and Teutonic infantry sprues. You can make some very ice low level mages this way, plain and unassuming unlike most wizard miniatures, and thus a good counterpart to serve as apprentices.

With my metal teen wizards incoming as well my Frostgrave group will be spoilt for choice.

I'd like to see some of those apprentices you kitbashed. They sound nifty.

Huh. Never thought of using some Fireforge bits with the Arabs and Dark Ages to kitbash a mage together.

I had planned on grabbing some fireforge guys anyways, I'll see if I can slap something together too....

Hey, so I havent read the entire thread, but was hoping you guys could answer some basic Frostgrave questions. My understanding is its a skirmish game, but the ad blurbs seems to indicate there is a campaign mode as well, similar to Mordheim. Is that the case? Can you level your guys up between battles, buy more gear etc? Is there any mechanism in place to help someone catch up in such a campaign? My buddies and I had a ton of fun with Mordheim back in the day, but it was frustrating to lose the first match or two and then be utterly handicapped to the point where you'd just get rolled by game 4-5. Thanks!

Yes there is a campaign mode where you can do all that. As only the wizard and apprentice levels balance is less of an issue. Also it is highly luck based if a 20 turns up anything can die. I think there is also a levelling scenario as well.

I'll go a step further and say this is a campaign game above all else. One-off games aren't particularly satisfying at all, and all the heavy-lifting design work goes into the campaign, leveling-up, new gear/potions/spells, etc...

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Hey, so I havent read the entire thread, but was hoping you guys could answer some basic Frostgrave questions. My understanding is its a skirmish game, but the ad blurbs seems to indicate there is a campaign mode as well, similar to Mordheim. Is that the case? Can you level your guys up between battles, buy more gear etc? Is there any mechanism in place to help someone catch up in such a campaign? My buddies and I had a ton of fun with Mordheim back in the day, but it was frustrating to lose the first match or two and then be utterly handicapped to the point where you'd just get rolled by game 4-5. Thanks!

Our group has been running the campaign mode very informally, because it works so well. Playing a game with your levelling warband? Fine, keep recording your treasure and XP.

The game doesn't worry about XP for soldiers, as they're expendable mercenaries your wizard hires for gold to help him search out the ancient secrets of magic lost in the recently thawed city. That flattens the xp gap between two warbands significantly, as only the wizard and his apprentice, maybe an optional captain, will show the effects of levelling up. The opposing warband's soldiers will be exactly the same as yours, except maybe some minor (+1 or +2 to a stat, damage, or armor, maybe). It also helps that the scenarios don't have "win the game" conditions - there's a limited number of treasure tokens that you will want very much, with various complications in addition to the opposing warband happening per the scenario rules. Getting a treasure off the table also removes the model carrying it from the game, so I find that our games have been more tactical finesse games than strategic overwhelm-the-opponent affairs. These factors meant that in a recent game with my Level 10 Necromancer vs a friend's Level 3 Summoner, we didn't notice any real disparity. My archers was the same as his archers. My wizard was just a little better at casting out-of-school spells than his was, and my knight had a +1 sword.

As far as catch-up mechanics, there's a scenario published online for when one wizard has a huge level advantage, but we haven't needed it yet. It introduces three "neutral" trolls that still use the wandering monster AI, but will only consider the advantaged warband as enemy models for the purposes of triggering a charge or fight response, etc. As I noted in the paragraph above, we haven't noticed the need for it yet, despite playing with warbands of varying leveled wizards. The campaign section also suggests that if a new player enters an ongoing campaign and is worried about being outmatched, that the experienced players should start a new, side warband to play with in games against the new guy until he catches up.

Cool, thanks for the info fellas! I'll add it to my "to buy" pile

If anybody had the gnolls, I'd really appreciate a pic of some assembled next to some plastics from another company. To be ideal, they would be standing in roughly the same pose as the figure they are being compared to.

 Gallahad wrote:
If anybody had the gnolls, I'd really appreciate a pic of some assembled next to some plastics from another company. To be ideal, they would be standing in roughly the same pose as the figure they are being compared to.

I'll see if I can't get this done. I have to snap some pictures of other miniatures anyway so it shouldn't be an issue.
I think I've got some GW beastmen, I'll throw a gnoll in next to that and some Reaper and whatever others are on hand.

The Gnolls look like they're the same height as the regular Frostgrave plastics, but hunched over and bulkier (if that could be a thing with those minis ).

I was able to get the Gnolls at Gencon from a vendor there for $24.. and the hardback rules for $20... so nice to not pay shipping.

 MLaw wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
If anybody had the gnolls, I'd really appreciate a pic of some assembled next to some plastics from another company. To be ideal, they would be standing in roughly the same pose as the figure they are being compared to.

I'll see if I can't get this done. I have to snap some pictures of other miniatures anyway so it shouldn't be an issue.
I think I've got some GW beastmen, I'll throw a gnoll in next to that and some Reaper and whatever others are on hand.

If you get a chance to do this it would be great. I don't think I am alone in wanting to see comparison shots of the gnolls with other miniatures.

https://www.tabletopgaming.co.uk/miniature-games/news/free-printable-frostgrave-scenery-from-osprey-games

What a nice bunch of chaps those people at Osprey Games are because because they've just released a host of FREE printable scenery so you can create your own dungeon scenery for the new Frostgrave supplement, into the Breeding Pits. With this new supplement for Frostgrave, players can lead their warbands into the vast network of catacombs, sewers, and dungeons that run underneath the Frozen City.

Along with a host of new scenarios, treasures, soldiers, and creatures, the book also contains rules for the traps and secret passages that are often found in the dungeons. With wonderful and rare magical treasures to be discovered, will players risk taking their warbands down into the Breeding Pits?

You can find the scenery on the Osprey Games website and there's a wealth of options including:

Corridor 1: Cracked tiles with torn pages on floor. 4 inches x 10 inches

Corridor 2: Cracked tiles. 4 inches x 10 inches

Corridor 3: Cracked tiles with torn pages on floor version 2. 4 inches x 10 inches

Corridor 4: Cracked tiles with scroll and polearm. 4 inches x 10 inches

Corridor 5: Cracked tiles version 2. 4 inches x 10 inches

Corridor 6: Cracked tiles with broken sword and shield. 4 inches x 10 inches

Room 1: Large room with polearm, broken sword and shield. 6 inches x 10 inches

Room 2: Medium-sized room with bones, scroll and torn pages. 6 inches x 8 inches

Room 3: Small room with bones. 6 inches x 6 inches

Room 4: Medium-sized room with shield. 6 inches x 8 inches

Room 5: Small room with broken sword. 6 inches x 6 inches

Also if you're a fan of Frostgrave, don't miss issue six of Tabletop Gaming magazine because we've got an EXCLUSIVE Frostgrave scenario written by the creator, Joseph McCullough.

https://ospreypublishing.com/gaming-resources/#scenery

There is a teaser picture on the Wargames, Soldiers, and Strategy facebook page of upcoming plastic Frostgrave barbarians.

How silly, everyone knows barbarians don't wear shirts or pants. Especially ones who live in arctic regions or regularly engage in combat.

Yeah,
Thought I'd make a post here about my Frostgrave/Starwars adventure blog.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/699951.page#8859881
Just posted my first battle report. It works real well.




Panic.

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Thought I'd make a post here about my Frostgrave/Starwars adventure blog.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/699951.page#8859881
Just posted my first battle report. It works real well.




Panic.

How did this not occur to me? Using a Jedi or Sith Lord as a "wizard" and using the SW setting. Genius. Kudos.

A solo Frostgrave variant set in Mythic Greece written by Joseph McCullough in issue 86 of Wargames: Soldiers and Strategy.

Mr. McCullough's blog: http://therenaissancetroll.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/frostgrave-magazine-articles.html

Karwansaray BV Publishers: http://www.karwansaraypublishers.com/shop/wss-magazine/digital-back-issues/wss-issue-86-pdf.html

Any pics of Barbarian plastics?

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
Any pics of Barbarian plastics?

Northstar's facebook page had a picture of the box art, but I've not seen any pictures of the plastics.

Here you go. Images courtesy of http://wargameterrain.blogspot.co.uk/




There is also the book cover


The Nickstarter for these is due to start in October.

I'm liking these. Not sure if they fit with my own desert based setting, but sure I can probably make a use out of them, seeing a Viking hairy chaps were supposed to have made their way out there at some point.

i like them. Much stronger sculpts than the Gnolls appeared to be. Manage to be both barbaric and generic enough. I hope some of the metal characters are a bit closer to the cover art in style though as that looks great.

Those Barbarians get an A+.

They are at a quality and price range they make me want to find a use for them.


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Those Barbarians get an A+.

They are at a quality and price range they make me want to find a use for them.

Nice I really do like them. So far the previous have me just as excited as I was for the cultist box. Plus they will find their way to my battlefields very soon. A+

Very nice. I assume these are designed to be compatible with the previous sets?

That terrain in the pic also looks very cool.

Those barbarians look incredible. I will absolutely get in on the Nickstarter. Those are much much better sculpts than their previous offerings (and the soldiers weren't bad, and the cultists were pretty good).

I am very excited for these.

Forgotten Pacts Nickstarter will begin on October 3.

Orders for the Nickstarter are up on the North Star website. Waiting for me when I get my masters thesis bibliography done.

I might be interested in these, so many possibilites - Lord of the Rings Dunlendings or wildmen was my first thought. However, without a sprue shot, I will be waiting for retail.

As soon as Brigade's US orders go up, I am all over this.

Hyenas/Gnolls weren't my favorite, but otherwise nothing Frostgrave has ever let me down. Love the Soldiers/Cultist kits, and the gameplay of the expansion books is always excellent.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
As soon as Brigade's US orders go up, I am all over this.

Just pre-ordered the Level 4 Nickstarter on Brigade's website.

 mdauben wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
As soon as Brigade's US orders go up, I am all over this.

Just pre-ordered the Level 4 Nickstarter on Brigade's website.

I was just coming here to post the same. :-p

It may not be the widest of releases, but man... Frostgrave has this to a science by this point. A couple distributors who treat it like an important release and put up stuff the second they say they will, coupled with very good prices, and a terrific, constantly supported game.

75% of the "bigger" games in this hobby could learn a lot about handling themselves based on how FG and Joseph conduct business.

Can anyone explain to me the 'value' in this Nickstarter? I see a 10% discount....and 20% shipping fee - why not just wait for it in the shops - is it really for 3 treasure markers?

It is one of those 'value grows over time' things - the more people that pre-order, the more 'free' stuff everyone gets, depending on the level they ordered.

See here:

http://nstarmagazine.com/FORGOTTEN_PACTS.htm

for more details!

 eddieazrael wrote:
Can anyone explain to me the 'value' in this Nickstarter? I see a 10% discount....and 20% shipping fee - why not just wait for it in the shops - is it really for 3 treasure markers?

Think Kickstarter. Free models, scenarios, tokens, etc... keep getting added as pre-orders come in. Traditionally for Frostgrave it has resulted in a $35US pledge, getting somewhere between 3 and 5 extra models (metal, often monsters), and some little bits and bobs.

I'd like to pick a Warlord pledge to build a KoW army but the 20% postage cost makes it more expensive than online discounters with free postage so I guess I'll have to wait for retail - I have no real interest in Frostgrave itself or any added extras, pity as I'd have liked to have help fund the plastic set through the Nickstarter.

So, what new game content is in the book?

Im in but woe shipping in U.S. from Brigade games is crazy. It was cheaper last Nickstarter, $7.00 and I was at a higher level. I am at level 2 and shipping is $10.00. I really hate it when companies try to get extra revenue in shipping charges.

 DaveC wrote:
I'd like to pick a Warlord pledge to build a KoW army but the 20% postage cost makes it more expensive than online discounters with free postage so I guess I'll have to wait for retail - I have no real interest in Frostgrave itself or any added extras, pity as I'd have liked to have help fund the plastic set through the Nickstarter.

Check some of the retailers that are also participating, they all have different shipping policies.

Ernster wrote:
Im in but woe shipping in U.S. from Brigade games is crazy. It was cheaper last Nickstarter, $7.00 and I was at a higher level. I am at level 2 and shipping is $10.00. I really hate it when companies try to get extra revenue in shipping charges.

Did you request rush shipping or something? I pre-ordered a Level 4 through Brigade and my shipping is only $8.

 mdauben wrote:

Ernster wrote:
Im in but woe shipping in U.S. from Brigade games is crazy. It was cheaper last Nickstarter, $7.00 and I was at a higher level. I am at level 2 and shipping is $10.00. I really hate it when companies try to get extra revenue in shipping charges.

Did you request rush shipping or something? I pre-ordered a Level 4 through Brigade and my shipping is only $8.

Nope, I ordered Level 2 as well and shipping was $10, or $11 for USPS priority.

No rush shipping just regular shipping $10. I emailed and questioned it and they said that was the cost and that it should be $12. It appears the more you order the cheaper the S&H. Sorry but it does not cost $10 to ship a book and Box of Barbarians $10 in the U.S..

Ernster wrote:
No rush shipping just regular shipping $10. I emailed and questioned it and they said that was the cost and that it should be $12. It appears the more you order the cheaper the S&H. Sorry but it does not cost $10 to ship a book and Box of Barbarians $10 in the U.S..

That's weird... I just ordered to NY, and shipping was $6.

 DaveC wrote:
I have no real interest in Frostgrave itself or any added extras

BLASPHEMY !!!

Ernster wrote:
No rush shipping just regular shipping $10. I emailed and questioned it and they said that was the cost and that it should be $12. It appears the more you order the cheaper the S&H. Sorry but it does not cost $10 to ship a book and Box of Barbarians $10 in the U.S..

Are you on the West coast?

Go to USPS website, and try out their shipping calculator.

Pretty much anything over 13oz will ship for over $8. Ship a book and a box, and I bet its over 1lb.
Then add in the time spent to pack it, the cost of the box and packaging materials, you are easily up to your $10.
Then account for it being shipped across the ocean.

You can make the complaint that shipping costs are too high, that's your opinion.
But to say that it doesn't cost that much is wrong.

Ernster wrote:
No rush shipping just regular shipping $10. I emailed and questioned it and they said that was the cost and that it should be $12. It appears the more you order the cheaper the S&H. Sorry but it does not cost $10 to ship a book and Box of Barbarians $10 in the U.S..

$10 is basically break even with their costs and certainly not price gouging. At 13 ounces or over you have to ship priority mail which starts at $7.30 and goes up based by weight and distance. Books aren't going top fit into the small priority flat rates, so that means they have to use your own box which on average costs 0.60-0.80 cents (even when bought in bulk) another 0.50 for the standard USPS sized 1/2 page packaging label, then there's packing foam or bubble wrap to make sure your stuff doesn't get banged up, tape to keep things closed up, time for somebody to pack it all, generate and print labels, and possibly take a trip to deliver it to the post office.

Adjusted for weight they likely have an actual postage cost of around $12 and then they have about $2 in material cost, so it is very likely that they are taking a slight loss to ship your package even without the time consideration. I've sold stuff full time on ebay for over 15 years and it's very apparent that the majority of people buying things online don't have the first clue on what it actually costs to ship things. (or how long it takes) The first Nickstarter probably was cheaper and they raised prices after they saw how much money they were losing because even with the increased price they are still charging less than their actual cost. It may not matter on an occasional order or two but when you are shipping dozens or even hundreds of packages a $2-3 loss on each one adds up rather quickly

Sorry, but some people are still paying less shipping at level 4 than I am at level 2. Okay the cost of packing materials and box is definitely more for level 4 than level 2. The distance of travel policy...okay I will accept that.

If they wanted to break even it would be a flat rate!

Anyway, enough on shipping. I do have the opportunity and choice not to pledge. Amazon does have cheaper shipping and I could take that route.

Larger volume orders allow them a bit more wiggle room on what discounts they can offer. (both in regard to shipping and retail price) You can usually leverage better discounts with retailers when you make larger orders.

It's much easier to eat the shipping cost on a $200+ item as opposed to a small $20 item, where reducing your shipping cost might negate the entire profit on the smaller order.

I just ordered the Level 4 through The Dice Bag Lady, and only had to pay GBP3.95 for shipping to Japan. That might be an option if you think your postage is too high.

@JoshinJapan, thanks but unfortunately the cash is taken out upon pledging.

@Stanman, yes I do understand that shipping is often cheaper when you order more. it is not cheaper than a normal order. for example my order S&H is $10. another pledge double the weight S&H would be $15 instead of $20 to provide incentive.

again, we are off topic. I appreciate the info.

I think the barbarians look great. I wonder if there will be mounted rules or a miniature based on the cover art. I hope so as that would be a fantastic addition.

 JoshInJapan wrote:
I just ordered the Level 4 through The Dice Bag Lady, and only had to pay GBP3.95 for shipping to Japan. That might be an option if you think your postage is too high.

Thanks Josh that's sorted my postage issue - Level 3 ordered

For those wondering what is in the new book, here is a quick preview: http://therenaissancetroll.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/first-look-frostgrave-forgotten-pacts.html

Ack, I haven't even finished the Thaw of the Lich Lord campaign yet! :(

Are there any longer campaign books immediately planned, or will it be rules expansion books like Into the Breeding Pits for the foreseeable future? I'm fine with either (need a break after the current campaign anyway).

You don't have to play them all at once, you know? They aren't going to go up in flames after 6 weeks on the shelf.

Theres def more stuff coming. Can't remember what, but the author has a blog where he mentions upcoming plans a lot.

Ernster wrote:
Sorry, but some people are still paying less shipping at level 4 than I am at level 2. Okay the cost of packing materials and box is definitely more for level 4 than level 2. The distance of travel policy...okay I will accept that.

If they wanted to break even it would be a flat rate!

Anyway, enough on shipping. I do have the opportunity and choice not to pledge. Amazon does have cheaper shipping and I could take that route.

I went back into the Brigade web store and put a Level 2 package in my cart and checked the cost for shipping. I still get $8 as the cheapest option (same as I paid for my Level 4 shipping). If you are paying $10 I can only assume you are in a different postal zone than I am and are paying more based on the distance.

As far as buying though Amazon, shipping may be cheaper that way but you do lose out on the Nickstarter freebies (currently a free werewolf and the three treasure tokens but there is likely to be more by the end).

rushed question..

I am interested in the Nickstarter for Barbarians etc, is the only page for this the Osprey one or is there also a USA based page to get those shipping quotes y'all are talking about?

-P

 porkuslime wrote:
I am interested in the Nickstarter for Barbarians etc, is the only page for this the Osprey one or is there also a USA based page to get those shipping quotes y'all are talking about?

Check out Brigade Games, they handle the Frostgrave Nickstarter for the USA.

Thank you much!

ordering this weekend

Any know if there is a Canadian distro for the Nickstarter?

 KillusMaximus wrote:
Any know if there is a Canadian distro for the Nickstarter?

Not sure, but I found it was cheaper to go through the Dice Bag Lady in the UK than Brigade in the US.

Nickstarter participants. Apologies for the rubbish way we've managed the Spend Goal total this week. We'll update it Monday. Right now we haven't hit the 2nd Spend Goal that releases the Barbarian Wizard Apprentice, lets see where we are Monday morning!

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Ack, I haven't even finished the Thaw of the Lich Lord campaign yet! :(

Are there any longer campaign books immediately planned, or will it be rules expansion books like Into the Breeding Pits for the foreseeable future? I'm fine with either (need a break after the current campaign anyway).

There will be a Frostgrave Folio released in March 2017. Quoted from Amazon US. "The Frostgrave Folio is the complete collection of all previously released Frostgrave mini-ebook supplements in one printed volume. This includes Hunt for the Golem, a three-scenario campaign in which the warbands hunt down a rogue golem; Sellsword, which introduces rules for experience-gaining captains to help lead warbands; Dark Alchemy, which expands the rules for potions and potion brewing, and Arcane Locations which gives additional options for bases and base upgrades. The book also includes a completely new mini-supplement, The Ravages of Time."

Don't know about a longer campaign book, however.

As I recall, Arcane Locations also isn't out yet in any form, so I think that for many of us (I might be wrong here) it might as well be new content too.

I will say I only own Sellsword of the "mini expansions", but its AWESOME and adds such a cool element to the game. If it is indicative of the others, then the Folio will be one of the best books yet.

In fact, i'd say i've never been disappointed with a Frostgrave release. Across all books and such, thus far, there is just such an amazing volume of cool, and pretty modular content you can include, or omit, as you see fit.

Only Breeding Pits, thus far, felt a little weak to me, and its because my group doesn't have great dungeon-terrain for pure interior set-ups. As such we have to muck around with its content a bit to get it on the table, and it loses some of its promise.

I think the Arcane Locations pdf came out last week. There are people on the Lead Adventure Forum talking about building the terrain required for one of the scenarios.

Yep. You're right Ecurtz. My mistake. It snuck out only about two weeks ago, and I must've missed it.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Ack, I haven't even finished the Thaw of the Lich Lord campaign yet! :(

Are there any longer campaign books immediately planned, or will it be rules expansion books like Into the Breeding Pits for the foreseeable future? I'm fine with either (need a break after the current campaign anyway).

There will be a Frostgrave Folio released in March 2017. Quoted from Amazon US. "The Frostgrave Folio is the complete collection of all previously released Frostgrave mini-ebook supplements in one printed volume. This includes Hunt for the Golem, a three-scenario campaign in which the warbands hunt down a rogue golem; Sellsword, which introduces rules for experience-gaining captains to help lead warbands; Dark Alchemy, which expands the rules for potions and potion brewing, and Arcane Locations which gives additional options for bases and base upgrades. The book also includes a completely new mini-supplement, The Ravages of Time."

Don't know about a longer campaign book, however.

At this pace, I'm more interested in something like a hardcover omnibus that is basically all the rules-related publications.. Don't get me wrong, the Folio is welcome.. but having all the rules in one printed and revised place for clarity and ease of access would make things so much simpler. This could really easily become as bad ass D&D with all the splat books and compendiums etc.. which is the opposite of why this game was originally appealing to me.

joe5mc wrote:
For those wondering what is in the new book, here is a quick preview: http://therenaissancetroll.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/first-look-frostgrave-forgotten-pacts.html

Still no mounts? It's disapointing...

 MLaw wrote:

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Ack, I haven't even finished the Thaw of the Lich Lord campaign yet! :(

Are there any longer campaign books immediately planned, or will it be rules expansion books like Into the Breeding Pits for the foreseeable future? I'm fine with either (need a break after the current campaign anyway).

There will be a Frostgrave Folio released in March 2017. Quoted from Amazon US. "The Frostgrave Folio is the complete collection of all previously released Frostgrave mini-ebook supplements in one printed volume. This includes Hunt for the Golem, a three-scenario campaign in which the warbands hunt down a rogue golem; Sellsword, which introduces rules for experience-gaining captains to help lead warbands; Dark Alchemy, which expands the rules for potions and potion brewing, and Arcane Locations which gives additional options for bases and base upgrades. The book also includes a completely new mini-supplement, The Ravages of Time."

Don't know about a longer campaign book, however.

At this pace, I'm more interested in something like a hardcover omnibus that is basically all the rules-related publications.. Don't get me wrong, the Folio is welcome.. but having all the rules in one printed and revised place for clarity and ease of access would make things so much simpler. This could really easily become as bad ass D&D with all the splat books and compendiums etc.. which is the opposite of why this game was originally appealing to me.

Well, much like D&D, you don't *have* to use everything - pick and choose what works best for you and your group!

Add things in, or not, as needed, for flavor, of course.

That's one of the best things about the whole Frostgrave Setting!

I too wouldn't mind a big chunky deluxe rulebook. I like having everything in one convenient location.

I seem to recall seeing something about printed spellcards at one point. I think that was more of a fan thing on dakka though, wasn't it?

Is there a handy link someone can point me to?

Google lead adventures frostgrave. That fourm is kind of the center of the frostgrave community.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

I seem to recall seeing something about printed spellcards at one point. I think that was more of a fan thing on dakka though, wasn't it?

Is there a handy link someone can point me to?

http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=89355.0

There is apparently also an official deck of spell cards, but I've never seen it in stock anywhere, even Osprey Games.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I too wouldn't mind a big chunky deluxe rulebook. I like having everything in one convenient location.

I seem to recall seeing something about printed spellcards at one point. I think that was more of a fan thing on dakka though, wasn't it?

Is there a handy link someone can point me to?

For some reason I thought some came with the gnoll gnickstarter.. I assume I am mis-remembering.. I had to pack all that stuff up since we're getting ready to move again...

There are official Frostgrave spell cards. I bought some at my FLGS, but from what they told me it's often difficult to get certain Frostgrave items, presumably due to demand.

I've got a deck, I think they aren't re-issuing them because (a) they don't have spells from the new books and (b) some of the wording is too long for the cards format.

Has the Forgotten Pacts Nickstarter completely stalled or are they just not updating the pledge ticker?

North Star also appear to have ended their 10% off early bird deal. :( I am like 95% sure they said it was for orders between 3rd and 10th October! Still, Dice Bag Lady still has the 10% off, and cheaper postage. Will be doing my order this evening.

I was sure the early bird expired yesterday.

I didn't realise Dice Bag Lady would result in cheaper postage, though since I got the early bird I essentially got free postage anyway. I was just assuming we'd be well on the way to the 3rd unlock by now. Especially since multi-part 28mm barbarians are so useful for so many games.

Pants. DBL no longer has the 10% off. :( Guess I will be sitting this one out then, and waiting to just buy cheaper at retail in a month or so.


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So North Star definitely advertised the Early Bird as being "3rd to 10th October" (I went and checked back through my promotional emails), but have chosen to end the offer at midday today. :( Bit frustrating as I was planning on placing an order tonight!

There was a post on Facebook yesterday that EBs end at 12BST today

The pledge total has now updated to £14,275 so still a bit to go yet.

Yeah, I really don't see every Fb post though... surely North Star know that!

I own the official Spell Deck is well, and still love it. Its true that it doesn't include expansion spells, but those spells, almost across-the-board, aren't added to a Wizard in the customary ways, so much as earned specifically when doing things within the confines of that given book's scenarios, loot tables, etc... So they aren't too missed.

That said, i'd also be all for a giant omnibus, and a "final" revised spell-deck, if the game is going to get a content hiatus next year. Though honestly, I hope we'll at least get one full expansion next year, as I love new content.

We know the Folio is up next, and don't forget the Ulterior Motives side-quest card deck coming out soon after, though!

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
North Star also appear to have ended their 10% off early bird deal. :( I am like 95% sure they said it was for orders between 3rd and 10th October! Still, Dice Bag Lady still has the 10% off, and cheaper postage. Will be doing my order this evening.

The Dice Bag Lady has now removed the EB prices.

Yeah, I am guessing they went at midday too. :(

At this point I'm thinking I don't want to buy from North Star any more, if I can help it. I had an order of around £80 ready to go (via DBL) but, uh, oddly enough, the morning of the day the deal ends is not exactly a convenient time to place an order, particularly if one doesn't know that the offer is ending 12 hours early!

I will doubtless pick up a pack of the Barbarian multiparts at retail, but unless I get some vaguely useful response from my Facebook entreaties to North Star, meh. Nothing against Bad Squiddo, mind you -- they presumably just got rid of the early bird deal at the same time as NS.

I think it launched at 12, so it did run for exactly 1 week. I guess that's not hugely clear to anyone who missed the start, though.

Yeah, or who read the text of the emails they sent out, or looked at the same text on their Nickstarter website...

Anyway. It's no biggie really. I've just found (having backed the first two Nickstarters and then ordered stuff after) that dealing with North Star is a load more trouble than it's worth. I'm not suggesting that they're dodgy in any way. It's just that they seem, er, "quirky" is probably the politest way of putting it, but quirky to the point that trying to communicate with them as though they were a regular business, is frustrating and counterproductive.

They are a pretty small operation, despite their distribution size; I got the impression there were only 2/3 of them. But whilst I've been on the industrial estate they work from, I don't think I've ever spoken to them directly (they are/were directly across from the Warlord Games office).
I guess that does result in quirky service when you're used to bigger companies. I've never had a problem with them over maybe 5 orders in the last few years (I'm a total sucker for mystery bags).

You'll probably be able to get most of the Forgotten Pacts stuff for 10% under retail in your FLGS anyway.

It wasn't a huge deal -- it just took like 10 emails back and forth, and several weeks, to get like £2 worth of bases that were missing from a much bigger order I placed with them. They wanted me to contact the Post Office to see where they were, etc. It just seemed a huge amount of faff for a trivial amount of goods.

And the latest Nickstarter thing is really frustrating too -- I guess I am spoiled by being used to Kickstarters, where if I miss the end point when there's a large counter on the screen, it's my own silly fault.

Early look at the sprue for the barbarians




It's from Facebook.. and is noted as being a prototype layout so final product might differ slightly..

That looks pretty cool. I might have to pick it up to have a good mixer for some of my GW bits floating around.

 Wehrkind wrote:
That looks pretty cool. I might have to pick it up to have a good mixer for some of my GW bits floating around.

A lot of my multipart FG stuff has sat on the sprue with bits being used for D&D or Mordheim. Funny enough, I've been using Reaper minis or GW stuff for most of my FG games. I'm excited about all of these releases but we're going to be changing duty stations 2 times in the next 3 years so I have to keep reminding myself not to fill up any more moving boxes.

 MLaw wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
That looks pretty cool. I might have to pick it up to have a good mixer for some of my GW bits floating around.

A lot of my multipart FG stuff has sat on the sprue with bits being used for D&D or Mordheim. Funny enough, I've been using Reaper minis or GW stuff for most of my FG games. I'm excited about all of these releases but we're going to be changing duty stations 2 times in the next 3 years so I have to keep reminding myself not to fill up any more moving boxes.

I think we can agree though, that sometimes that is the best part of these kinds of games, and this scale. I own every Frostgrave release to date, and could still fit it all (books included) in a box a fraction of the size of any one of my 40k or AoS armies. :-)

There is something really, really nice about supporting a very well made game, with a steady stream of content, but minimal overhead. Its what X-wing felt like to me before it got so bloated.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
That looks pretty cool. I might have to pick it up to have a good mixer for some of my GW bits floating around.

A lot of my multipart FG stuff has sat on the sprue with bits being used for D&D or Mordheim. Funny enough, I've been using Reaper minis or GW stuff for most of my FG games. I'm excited about all of these releases but we're going to be changing duty stations 2 times in the next 3 years so I have to keep reminding myself not to fill up any more moving boxes.

I think we can agree though, that sometimes that is the best part of these kinds of games, and this scale. I own every Frostgrave release to date, and could still fit it all (books included) in a box a fraction of the size of any one of my 40k or AoS armies. :-)

There is something really, really nice about supporting a very well made game, with a steady stream of content, but minimal overhead. Its what X-wing felt like to me before it got so bloated.

Very true. I have... well honestly I could field >35 Frostgrave bands with just random models I have in craft boxes. I probably have another 5-10 on the way from various Kickstarters. But man, I love putting together random guys from things in my bitz boxes periodically. And I love barbarians for some reason.


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I will note that I am a little bummed there are no female troops so far. It can be done with head swaps, but still, a few dedicated bodies and bits would have been nice.

 Wehrkind wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
That looks pretty cool. I might have to pick it up to have a good mixer for some of my GW bits floating around.

A lot of my multipart FG stuff has sat on the sprue with bits being used for D&D or Mordheim. Funny enough, I've been using Reaper minis or GW stuff for most of my FG games. I'm excited about all of these releases but we're going to be changing duty stations 2 times in the next 3 years so I have to keep reminding myself not to fill up any more moving boxes.

I think we can agree though, that sometimes that is the best part of these kinds of games, and this scale. I own every Frostgrave release to date, and could still fit it all (books included) in a box a fraction of the size of any one of my 40k or AoS armies. :-)

There is something really, really nice about supporting a very well made game, with a steady stream of content, but minimal overhead. Its what X-wing felt like to me before it got so bloated.

Very true. I have... well honestly I could field >35 Frostgrave bands with just random models I have in craft boxes. I probably have another 5-10 on the way from various Kickstarters. But man, I love putting together random guys from things in my bitz boxes periodically. And I love barbarians for some reason.


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I will note that I am a little bummed there are no female troops so far. It can be done with head swaps, but still, a few dedicated bodies and bits would have been nice.

I'm in the same boat.. For a while I was just grabbing random Bones models and D&D and other figures and thinking of different themes etc. My son runs an undead themed warband and I've done everything from fish people to constructs to revelers. I have a huuuuge load of female models from Bones and the D&D boardgames plus random other sources. The Shieldwolf stuff will probably help out too. I know different people had different thoughts on those but the ones I use for FG will end up having fur lined cloaks and other accessories sculpted on.

Oh... right... I forgot I have like 200 Shield Wolf things coming... oh man.

I should probably stop buying things. Right after this next Miniature Market order.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Oh... right... I forgot I have like 200 Shield Wolf things coming... oh man.

I should probably stop buying things. Right after this next Miniature Market order.

Have we seen a final product yet? I dropped out of the project because they sounded too Frazetta for my tastes.

They are not ideal, but definitely on this side of Frazetta. I'd have preferred a higher ratio of bellies with chain mail to bellies without, but that's about it for complaints based on what I have seen so far.
Well, ok, silly over sized weapons, but that's easily fixed, and pretty much assumed these days.

To answer your question, I don't think we have seen a final plastic model built, but we have seen all the renders and parts that are going to be on the sprue.

I got a cryptic message from Sheildwolf about some females in the near future that would be more well-suited for FG Barbarians.. For me I'm not that picky.. It's Frostgrave.. one of my favorite things about it is it's cheap, easy, and doesn't care about what minis I use.. But.. if someone else wants some females to accompany the official FG Barbarians, SW might have some news here in the near future.. Sorry if that's off-topic.. I am not entirely sure since it deals with compatibility but I'll refrain if it's not cool.