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The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/02/25 17:30:25


Post by: Dr H


Didn't add a huge amount of stuff to the pieces, much more will be added in painting as it turns out.

Therefore, painting.

Therefore, testing the airbrush extraction hood.





On the whole, it does the job.
The chosen test filter does not though. The dense paper grease cooker filter, is just too dense for my fans/airflow.
We will have to see how the fans end up without one.
And I'll look into finding a different type of filter.

The only other issue that has arisen is the overspray clinging to grubby marks on the inside of the acrylic. I'll need to look into ways of cleaning this off; acrylic can be polished, so it might just buff off.

I may do some more blocking in of colours (probably grey and brown) on these with the airbrush and then switch to normal brushwork to finish them off.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/02/25 18:48:15


Post by: Camkierhi


Looking good in the uniform primer.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/02/25 22:37:44


Post by: Dr H


The wonders of primer, eh? Always brings the bits into a whole.
Thanks.

And now with basecoat:

Not decided what the original colour of the van will have been, but it's probably the first thing on here that'll be painted.
The rest will largely be grey concrete walls, grey rubble and brown wood.
Then some graffiti and posters.


The barricade will be a multitude of colours and materials.
What's left visible of the walls will be more grey concrete.
Wood is wood, sandbags will be sandbags...
Maybe a little graffiti...

I also didn't mention that I got myself a Lazy-Susan base so that I don't have to handle the models around while airbrushing. Sheet of red plastic to minimise it's paint exposure. Just a cheap black plastic one, but works well.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/02/27 20:56:23


Post by: Dr H


Started with the browns of the wood, mud and sandbags for "Shield".

None of which are finished; the sandbags will become lighter, the wood needs some splashes of black wash and final highlights of white, and the mud will get final highlghts when the rocks receive theirs'.

"Crash" meanwhile started with the van's windscreen, and it also got the browns at the same time.

There's still cracks and shadows to add to the windscreen, this is just the base colour blend and a gloss coat.

Yes, the van is to be green, but will become lighter/paler, may get a stripe and will be heavily weathered in addition to it's dents.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/02/27 21:38:09


Post by: inmygravenimage


It's a mucky beginning! I think I marginally prefer Shield, but both cool.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/01 00:57:45


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Graven'. Each to their own. I don't have a preference yet, personally; will wait and see how they turn out at the end (I have plans that may swing a few opinions, but only I can see what's in my head).

Progress on "Crash" (I did take a photo of "Shield" but it was blurry and I couldn't be bothered to take another just to show you some mud and rocks, you'll see it when the wood is done).
The van is painted it's base colour; I had planned to go lighter but I liked it at this tone and stopped there.
Wheels are base coated.
Mud is done.
Rocks and rubble done.
Concrete pretty much done, I think.
Wood not finished yet.

Notice that the inside of the walls are slightly purple. This is to show that it was painted once and has since faded. The purple should compliment the green and the brown.
What's left of the internal wall also has a different core colour to differentiate it from the external walls; this can only be seen on the broken edges.




The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/01 02:42:46


Post by: dsteingass


Oh wow....That looks GREAT! all primed up! Now the Doc makes it all pop.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/01 09:17:44


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


Wow, this looks great painted up. Really makes the details pop. Looking forward to seeing this complete.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/01 15:37:13


Post by: Dr H


Two "Wow"s, must be doing something right.

Thanks Dave. Yeah, now the long process of picking out each individual piece (and tiding the paint that gets onto their neighbours )

Thanks 'Boss. Much easier to see what's going on now it's not a collection of wild colours. Time to add some colour...

But first... I said I'd share once the wood was done.



Now to decide what's going to be what colour/material...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/05 22:33:00


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Dave. I'm glad you were impressed with my wood.

Slowly making progress.
Blocking in colours for the various parts.
I've now attached the platform.

I have a new phone (and therefore camera) which may take some getting used to; in order to produce the best photos.
So here's a range of photos that hopefully get everything in focus at one point or another...


As you will see, the camouflaged cloth goes a long way to hiding the true nature of the cover.

The bright colours will be dulled by future weathering, and broken up by paint chips etc...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/06 00:09:25


Post by: Camkierhi


Great mix match of colours, all looking brilliant, and by the time you are done weathering it will be stunning.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/06 11:13:34


Post by: Casey's Law


Lots of hard work being going on I see! Nice stuff, H.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/06 14:24:13


Post by: inmygravenimage


It looks so randomly cobbled together, yet a coherent whole. Like it a lot.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/07 22:36:17


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Cam'. Soon... soon...

Lo Casey. Good to see you pop in. Thanks.

Thanks Graven'.

Mostly all coloured in now (there's a couple of things I've yet to decided what colour they are to be):

Still need to try some more things with the new camera settings... The important bits are in focus anyway.

Once the last things are coloured in it'll be time for graffiti on both pieces, and then weathering...

I've just finished off another build in Fallout 4, so I'll be able to focus on these more now. Pop over to my army's thread to see that.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/07 22:42:35


Post by: inmygravenimage


A thought, can there be more rusting on the exterior wall side? Just to break up the grey a bit more?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/07 23:06:53


Post by: Dr H


Oh yeah, rusting will happen. It's in the weathering phase as there will be runs off rusty bits onto other bits, etc...

This is just the "clean" basecoat.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/08 06:21:02


Post by: Red Harvest


Oy, the ol' camera settings. My Canon drives me nuts sometimes. It'll be interesting to see how you dirty it up.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/08 16:29:05


Post by: shasolenzabi


Those are some crazy--good terrain pieces!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/08 21:12:07


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Red'. I think I've found the setting, looks like it's something to fiddle with for each photo/subject. For a while it didn't look like there was anything I could manually change.

Thanks Shas'.

Before the dirt, comes graffiti...







The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/08 21:26:13


Post by: inmygravenimage


Lovely tags, the multicoloured CRASH is really offset by the excellent use of white.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/08 21:43:28


Post by: Camkierhi


Really coming to life with some colour now. the tags are brilliant. Guess he crashed whilst looking at the tag/sign?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/09 18:26:34


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Graven'. Ja, the basic black dry-brush, white shapes, filled in with colour (leaving the white outlines) and white highlights. Cam' did a good tutorial for it.

Thanks Cam' (speak of the devil). I like to leave my pieces open to interpretation, but I see it more the other way around with a "witty" graffiti artist taking the opportunity of an abandoned wall.

Some more work on the van in question:


Didn't realise that the aforementioned Johnny cab has hazard stripes in it's design together with the main light blue colour.
I did try to incorporate the yellow and blue into the sign at first, but ended up with an inverted Ukraine flag, so changed that to solid blue and added hazard stripes elsewhere.

Just a couple more details and then weathering...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/09 19:44:55


Post by: Gitsplitta


Love the cracks in the windshield.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/09 20:23:43


Post by: inmygravenimage


^ I concur. Yeah, I use Cam's method, essentially. Yay hazards, and double-yay Johnny Cab! Excellent all round.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/11 17:37:26


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits'. The cracks are just many fine white lines. Denser towards the middle of the circle and then a few radiant lines to show the light catching the longer cracks. And a final gloss coat over the lot.

Thanks Graven'. I'm sure the nature of the "white-van man" is universal, even when they are not white vans. They are often hired vehicles and driven like they're stolen.
But I couldn't bring myself to call it JohnnyHire as that brought up unclean thoughts that I suspect are only a UK thing. So I went for Johnny Van, Hire.

Weathering has begun, not complete...
Least complete is "Shield":

Just using up excess paint from the work on "Crash"...


I said it was going to be an old wreck.
Ironically, with the green base colour and the brown of the rust marks it looks more like camouflage than I'd like. But the streaks have helped.

Still much more to do.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/11 18:16:10


Post by: Gitsplitta


Amazing work my friend!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/11 21:25:31


Post by: Casey's Law


Lovely piece of terrain that, H! Is this bound for eBay when you're done?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/11 21:44:40


Post by: Dr H


Thanks again Gits'.

Thanks Casey. Close enough, it'll likely end up in my Etsy shop along with the "example hut" and the many castings I have (once I get around to getting better pictures of those). Probably put them all up at the same time to keep things easier for me wrt renews etc.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/12 14:50:45


Post by: dsteingass


Absolutely lovely filth!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/13 10:27:21


Post by: Camkierhi


Nice dirty work. Looks really nice and weathered. My only gripe would be compared to the van now that windscreen looks clean. Maybe there is some little person running about with a bucket and sponge. Just a dusting with something. Anyway I am being daft, it all is looking brilliant, and full of ideas to steal. I know you have a bit more to do yet.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/13 18:46:37


Post by: Dr H


dsteingass wrote:Absolutely lovely filth!
Thanks Dave. [peasant woman voice]There's some lovely filth over 'ere[/pwv]

Camkierhi wrote:Nice dirty work. Looks really nice and weathered. My only gripe would be compared to the van now that windscreen looks clean. Maybe there is some little person running about with a bucket and sponge. Just a dusting with something. Anyway I am being daft, it all is looking brilliant, and full of ideas to steal. I know you have a bit more to do yet.
Thanks Cam'. Yes, the windscreen is waiting until I get around to the plant colours; there's going to be some mould growing on it.

I have been rusting up "Shield" and this is where it's at:

A lot of work for a very subtle change from last time... Oh well.
Greenery up next.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/13 23:15:44


Post by: Dr H


And this is how the windscreen is looking now...



The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/14 06:26:39


Post by: inmygravenimage


Omg that looks like crap. In the best possible way, of course! The light edging of the rust works particularly well.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/15 16:59:00


Post by: Dr H


Ha. Thanks Graven'. Yeah that comes from my typical chipping method; with the reasonably dark green I decided on a light grey "undercoat" to edge the chips in the paint. The following couple of metal layers are pretty much covered by the 4 or 5 layers of rust though.

And they're done. I can't see any more bits that need attention so calling it before I get more carried away; time to move on.

Crash.




and for scale, number 2:


Shield.




and scale:


Thanks.

There might well be some more terrain coming soon...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/15 17:44:57


Post by: Gitsplitta


Wonderful, wonderful work! I just love them! The variety of shapes, colors and textures really come together on both pieces so nicely. Awesome job man...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/15 18:00:19


Post by: Cleatus


Jeebus. That's some beautiful work.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/15 20:13:41


Post by: inmygravenimage


Well they are awesome. I've got a couple of crashed vehicles to try that on...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/15 21:03:04


Post by: Camkierhi


Both pieces are magnificent, the story telling and the vibrance of the colours, really makes them stand out.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/15 22:59:33


Post by: Casey's Law


Nice one! Should make for some fun games.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/17 00:16:32


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits'. Yeah, it's important that if you have a load of items thrown together and you want them to look like a load of separate items (as opposed to using random items to build something, e.g. the van) they are painted to contrast with each other. But weather them all together as they share the same environment (not everything weathers the same though).
So when I build barricades like this, or the junk pile I built a while ago, neighbouring things contrast with each other once painted.
But when I make something like the UFO for that crash (am I seeing a trend here?) the random items are fused together and then painted as a whole. Then they no longer look like separate pieces.

That's a long winded way of saying "yes".

Thanks Cleatus.

Thanks Graven'. Give me a shout if you want any tips for your crashes (although I'll likely give my opinion while you make them anyway).

Thanks Cam'. Good to hear.

Thanks Casey. Hopefully they'll also make some money.

Soon, I'll be digging in some boxes for things to build with... Quick tidy first.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/21 22:53:11


Post by: Dr H


And back to building.

Terrain again as my model queue has lined up with the LoER terrain contest (which rarely happens, it seems).
If you are interested in the contest, or terrain, pop over to https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/720769.page#9254118 and join in, in whatever way suits you; building, sharing ideas, or just cheerleading. Everyone is welcome.

As for what I'm doing, I had a rifle through my boxes of larger "things that might be useful one day" and picked out a piece of cheese packaging, an aerial splitter / booster box and the cover of a burnt-out plug transformer.

And due to the theme of the contest being "tubes", I fished out my boxes of tubes.
Necron number 1 for scale:


Taking my own advice, I have reinforced the cheese box with a sprue frame and a combination of polystyrene foam and cardboard. It can now stand to be handled without buckling significantly.
Then I affixed that and the splitter box (after gluing flat pieces to the rear of the holes to help attaching tubes etc.) to a base made from 4 CDs. You should be able to see their shape from the bottom shot. Where they "overlap" I've removed parts so that they don't overlap and give a flat base.
This was then covered with tissue/PVA.


A couple of structural (gap filling) jobs to do next and then pipes, many many pipes...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/21 23:07:03


Post by: Camkierhi


Thats shaping up nicely doc, great to see you entering the fray.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/21 23:48:30


Post by: shasolenzabi


Hidey hole and crash came out very sweet looking! Can't wait to see the refinery


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/22 09:16:06


Post by: inmygravenimage


Cheese shop last round from Guildenstern. Now Cheese packaging from you! Whatever next?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/23 00:14:00


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Cam'. Being that it currently consists of 3 things that are interestingly shaped, I should say so.
The stars aligned this time; I was about to start the next model and the round opened. And being "tubes" I could still build whatever and just add tubes... No excuse not to join in.

Thanks Shas'. I too, am interested to see how this turns out, and I'm building it.

Ha, Graven'. I don't even like cheese. But you can't argue with a shape like that. It even has built-in rivets (that will only become apparent upon painting... I didn't notice them until it was on the base).

Basic shape complete; in record time for me. As I often build things completely from scratch it's nice to plop down a shape that's ready to go.
Details begun...



I'm going to try and incorporate as many different pipe/tube connections as possible, as well as many diameters of pipe/tubes.
Other than that, I don't have much of a plan where it's going, just many many snaking, intertwined pipes.

I've found that a combination of hot-glue and superglue is good for joining tubes together (that aren't polystyrene); the hot-glue can extend into the tube and give a larger surface area to hold the two halves together. Superglue helps keep the joint rigid.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/23 02:59:48


Post by: Casey's Law


Nice progress! At this rate you'll be done before the month is out!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/23 11:04:45


Post by: inmygravenimage


Loving this. I was thinking refinery also. Now I'm glad I'm just judging


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/23 13:33:56


Post by: dsteingass


Man, that is the BEST thing about 40k. You can create ANYTHING industrial-looking, and no one remembers what it was originally used for in the first place, so it looks right, no matter what you do.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/23 22:53:12


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Casey. While I know that the contest runs for 10-11 weeks, and I do tend to take my time with my models, I am trying to focus on producing work quicker to up the pay-rate for the things I make to sell.

Thanks Graven'. Well it's only a refinery as far as that's the inspiration for the pipe layout.

dsteingass wrote:Man, that is the BEST thing about 40k. You can create ANYTHING industrial-looking, and no one remembers what it was originally used for in the first place, so it looks right, no matter what you do.
Ja, that it is. It does still need to look like it did/does something though, no details for details sake.

Speaking of pipes, thought for the day.
Mutual support: While each individual pipe made like this is quite weak and easily broken on the battlefield (table), make sure there are many cross-links; snake a pipe from one set to another set of pipes, run many pipes along the same line and glue them along their length.
This way, you build up a 3D structure that's rigid in all directions, not a set of individual pipes that can flex and bend and break.

This is what I've been doing today:

It's not going to be easy to paint once it's done, but when have I ever let that stop me...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/24 01:51:21


Post by: Camkierhi


Looking brilliant and good advice about adding strength. You will have fun painting though.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/25 16:03:47


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Cam'.

More pipes...



More to add...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/25 16:51:25


Post by: Cleatus


Looking great!
I might have glossed over it, but what are you using for the pipe joins and brackets? Milliput? Light-GS? ( Milliput+GS?) Something else?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/25 17:58:33


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Cleatus.
The yellow that you see is standard, yellow/grey milliput. My go-to sculpting / gap-filling putty.
I do have some GS that I use (by itself or mixed with milliput) when some flexibility is needed. At the moment, I want solid joins.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/26 12:44:58


Post by: Dr H


Happy Mother's day to all the Mums out there, and if you're not a Mum go and show your Mum some love.

Here's a pair of earrings I made for mine.
Based on the Greenfinch they are easy on the modelling front, but more involved on the painting front.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/03/27 00:18:05


Post by: Camkierhi


They are brilliant bud, bet she likes them.

And the piece is moving along nicely. Yup standard milliput should be on every modelling bench.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/01 23:05:08


Post by: Dr H


Apologies for the absence. While I gave my mother some nice earrings, she gave me a cold.
I was unable to model without the threat of dripping on my work, so took a couple of days off.

But it's been nearly a week? I hear you cry.
Work did continue, there is more to see below. But I kept getting to a point where I thought "I'll just add this before taking photos", and that has meant a few more days have passed.

I've also been busy preparing things for uploading to my Etsy shop.
3 new additions today:
The poor, unloved, Tau Ethereal. https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/508431056/tau-ethereal-character-miniature?ref=shop_home_active_3
"Crash" https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/522218045/scratch-built-scale-model-crash-tabletop?ref=shop_home_active_2
and the newly renamed "Hide" (previously "Shield"). https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/522230923/scratch-built-scale-model-hide-tabletop?ref=shop_home_active_1

Check them out, and the rest of my shop, if you are interested in giving me money for pretty things.

 Camkierhi wrote:
They are brilliant bud, bet she likes them.
Thanks Cam'. Yep, she did. So much so, she gave me a cold in return...

And the piece is moving along nicely. Yup standard milliput should be on every modelling bench.
Thanks. Ja, milliput is infinitely useful.

And so, progress.

More tubes and pipes, and some detail pieces.

Still much more to do.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/04 21:26:08


Post by: Dr H


A few more tubes, and we can't have those large pipes without supports...



As my unique use of sprue I went for unique sprue rather than a unique use; I've used sprue for so many things it's almost impossible to come up with a really new thought. But I realised that I've usually used straight bits of sprue, discarding the bent bits and corners (for later use as greebles... come to think about it, I may add a few here...), therefore I pulled out some of the most oddly shaped bits of sprue and combined them into a support structure for the large pipes.

I then made use of the various lumpy bits by attaching guide wires to help the support / pipe structure in strong winds.

I feel as though I'm reaching the final stretch for this build. A few rivets here and there, some other small details, the usual mud n' rocks, some plant-life, and it's on to painting.

In other news:
I've now added my wooden hut kit to the Etsy shop, along with the example hut. Check them out if you want some unique terrain.
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/508854442/scale-model-wooden-hut-kit-28mm-156?ref=shop_home_active_2
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/522795441/scale-model-terrain-the-chemists-den?ref=listing-shop-header-0


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/05 01:50:19


Post by: The Riddle of Steel


This is an inspiring piece of terrain, for sure! So many cool ideas and details. But it looks like it will be tough to paint so I am looking forward to seeing it painted so I can see how to best copy some of these ideas.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/06 21:09:08


Post by: Dr H


Thanks RoSteel. Always nice to hear that I'm inspiring someone somewhere.
Steal away on ideas, and if there's something you need help with you only need to ask (or read back over my thread as I try to include all my steps for this purpose).

As for painting, I have practice with difficult-looking models: I do it a lot.
The main trick I use is to paint the whole model black (after primer and before basecoats). Then when I come to painting individual parts, if it's difficult to reach somewhere I leave it black to look like shadow. Don't be lazy about it and leave large areas black, but if it can't be reached it's not going to be seen easily either; therefore it doesn't need details or even colour in the extreme.

Also, my airbrush has proven that it's possible to cover the whole model in paint.

Primed:


Sanding next, then black...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/08 15:47:22


Post by: Dr H


Sanded, black-ed, mid-grey from above-ish, brown, then more black...



With that done I think it's time for some metallic dry-brushing and finally deciding what is going to be what colour.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/10 15:40:49


Post by: Dr H


I swear there are metallics on it now. I know you can see it on the pipes, but the two main shapes are also metallic; they just don't really show in the photos (they will get more metallic in time).

From last time there has been gunmetal dry-brushing over mostly everything and then some brown and black washes on one and blue/black washes on the other.
As I said, they will get some metallic highlighting and weathering (scratches and the like) later.

What you should see is a old, worn and weathered exterior for something that is still in use and maintained, but lives a hard life.


I'm now in the process of colouring in areas, starting with the harder to reach parts, and will work my way outwards. Finishing up with the usual signs and labels and weathering etc.

I've come to realise that the specific weathering on Nerdy's metals (that I am using for inspiration in the painting) are not entirely going to work on this: The scratches etc. on his tanks and armour come from being in battle and moving through the environment. This, being a static building, does none of those things and therefore shouldn't have the same damage. The weathering here should be from (predictably) the weather; the act of rain and wind.

There are a few points where I'll be able to add harsh "chipping", but the majority of the metallic weathering will be more subtle worn edges (sandblasted etc.) and rusting. Then some water streaks and liquid leaks to complete.

That's the theory anyway. Need to do the rest first...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/10 15:44:29


Post by: Gitsplitta


It's looking great Dr H. The mastery of the build is going to pay big dividends as you paint it.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/11 20:39:05


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits'. It is going to fight back though; not all plain sailing.

Some colours.
Green for the people-tube (for them to walk through) between the buildings,
Brown-red for the weather protection paint on the "metal" support bits,
Gloss black, blue and green for the flexible hoses or wires etc.
Chrome silver for the finest of pipes,
Brass (basecoat) for the thicker "thin" pipes.

Those coils around the upright "fractional distillation towers" were tricky to paint in particular due to the way they pass around and about the "exit" pipes. But not impossible. You just have to carefully poke the brush though a gap, paint what you can reach and carefully extract the brush. Then move on to the next...

You'll also notice the addition of the "rope" about the upright "vent pipe" (previously biro internal). Even though I had milliput wrapped around it, I managed to snap it off, and if I snap it off while painting it's not going to hold up to gaming. So I wrapped some floss about it and glued that on firmly: it's not going anywhere now without taking the large pipe with it.



Now to do the larger pipes, probably just metallics; these kind of things are rarely exciting colours (but they will get bright signs and labels later).
And to decide what colour to do those distillation towers. They are currently untouched after the basecoat. I'm leaning towards dark... lets those coils stand out... May see how the pipes go first.
And that container on the side (with the red straps) needs a colour to differentiate it from the building...
Decisions decisions...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/11 20:57:16


Post by: inmygravenimage


Maybe light blue, like gasometers, for the distillation towers? Generally very cool overall. Do I spy a rhino hatch as a door?!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/11 22:15:13


Post by: Dr H


 inmygravenimage wrote:
Maybe light blue, like gasometers, for the distillation towers? Generally very cool overall.
I don't know if the silver fine pipes will show up against a light blue. But I do like the idea of light blue for the tank on the side of the building; should contrast nicely with the red bands/support for it.

Do I spy a rhino hatch as a door?!
You do. I needed a door for the building and found this in my box (liberated neatly from my rhino-tank conversion). It's been installed here as a swing-out door, rather than slide-open door. Not actually working, but hinges (in the shape of plastic rod) have been added to each side to show this.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/11 22:37:19


Post by: Gitsplitta


I think you should make the big, conical towers pink...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/11 22:58:48


Post by: AshNomad


The door part looks great! I especially like the big light fixture hanging above it.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/13 15:04:58


Post by: Dr H


Thank you Gits'. I think you've been painting too much pink lately. I think for these long, "ribbed" shapes, pink may not appeal to everyone.

Thanks AshNomad and welcome to DDakka. The light fixture (as well as a few other pieces here) I received from OneManNoodles right here on DD.

For the distillation towers, they have ended up blue.
Couldn't be red, as that would be too much red with all the support frames (and planned warning signs and symbols).
Can't be yellow, Orange or browns, as that is too close to the brown building below them; would merge in too much, I want them distinct.
I don't want them green, as that is not industrial enough and won't let the planned few scraps of plant-life stand out for being green.
Plain metal is out, as that's what all the other pipes and things are. As is grey.
All that leaves blue...
Didn't want light blue as I mentioned before; the thin wires probably wouldn't stand out.

So, a deep blue is what we have.

Most of the colouring in is done now, soon the signs, symbols and weathering...


Was the door really going to be anything else but hazard stripes...?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/13 15:34:20


Post by: Gitsplitta


Good color choices... signs and weathering are going to pull it all together nicely.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/15 22:06:19


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits'.

For today's progress we have the start of the final details:
Posters and signs (paper, dipped in white spirit and glued on with PVA, then varnished over),
Signs, labels and lines/rings (transfers/decals),
Plants (combination of plastic scrapings, foam, and various brush bristles).


I like the irony of a bio-hazard sign next to a large lump of plant growth.

The transfer I used for the number on the door was already ripped (as in, the paper backing was ripped right through the transfer), and it's a very old and brittle transfer. I chose it specifically for this reason; instant weathered appearance. I did still need to line up 4 separate parts of the transfer to give it some coherency though (keep it moist until you've moved the pieces in place and then leave it alone to dry fully).

Happy chocolate egg day tomorrow to you all.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/16 06:04:43


Post by: Camkierhi


This is looking amazing, really brilliant work again bud. Always amazes me how so many completely different objects can end up looking so cohesive.

Guess I better get my finger out...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/16 06:28:01


Post by: inmygravenimage


Looks great, excellent signage to bring the thing together


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/16 13:07:00


Post by: Big H


Lovely work mate ! Nice use of Noodles bits and decals !


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/20 14:38:43


Post by: Dr H


Camkierhi wrote:This is looking amazing, really brilliant work again bud. Always amazes me how so many completely different objects can end up looking so cohesive.

Guess I better get my finger out...
Thanks Cam'. Yeah, it's good how a lick of paint brings things together and a relief that what you had in your head did come together and doesn't look as hideous as it did just after you glued it on.

There's still plenty of time left, I just can't justify taking all this time on one piece anymore; time is money.

Thanks Graven'. I do enjoy the final detailing stages more than the bulk painting. Giving the model a "life" and a history.

Thanks Big H. Yeah, they're great bits to throw at a model, and decals are always a nice addition (when they play nicely).

And it is done!
Again, this is meant to be "in use" and not deserted, so only minor weathering.
Nearly uploaded the finished pictures yesterday, but found one paint slip in the photos and had to touch that up and retake a few photos before uploading now (the slip can still be seen in 2 of the following photos that I couldn't be bothered to change, so you can all have a "Where's Wally" moment trying to "spot the slip").

Anyway, here it is, all the angles, in large, zoom-able photos.

"The Refinery?" (I'm keeping the question mark as it's been in the title for so long)
Other things to note:
Final tube count = 57 pieces.
And one person-tube (the green, flexible walkway between the two buildings); not made of a tube, but another take on the "tube" theme.

A bio-hazard sign near some decent plant-growth; is that a good or a bad sign for what you might find inside?

A tank of inert material, kept on the outside of the building, where it can be safely shot at...

A leak under the mass of pipes.

The blast-resistant cover of some high pressure equipment (maybe?) that has no access hatch and can only be lifted off as one piece; note the small red arrows to show the lift points.

Purpose-made support frame kept rust-free by red anti-rust paint (sprue use). With wires to prevent wind affecting the pipes it supports.

The two obvious, blue fractional distillation towers surrounded by cooling pipes and sprouting many pipes to receive the fractions.

4 different rivets plastic-rod, water filter beads, drilled holes (recessed rivets), and some moulded on ones of the sloped building (that I didn't notice until far into the building phase).

And one cheeky graffiti artist, slipping in a tag when no-one was looking.

All round photos (worth a zoom-in):


Close-ups of distillation towers and main pipes (and their support):


Close-ups of the smaller pipes and hoses, leaks and rivets:


and some more flavourful close-ups / low-angle shots:


And that's your lot.


Now onto the next model...
Been a while since I've done anything for my army, but I do have a couple of things to do in here too...
I should probably have a "tidy" first...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/20 14:52:53


Post by: Gitsplitta


Beautiful work. So creative...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/20 15:21:12


Post by: inmygravenimage


Smashin'. Love the blues offsetting all the metal. Nice checks, too.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/24 20:12:59


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits'. Creation is the fun part.

Thanks Graven'. Thanks for the suggestion of blue, you see how a darker blue lets the wires stand out though.

I thought that the highest point needed some kind of warning marker and had these from the Ork transfer sheet.

In other news:
I have finally come up with a good idea of how to progress on a project that was intended for here but has not been shown (as I didn't know where it was going). Once it's a little way further on I'll have something to show you all here.
Stay tuned.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/24 20:30:04


Post by: Ruglud


Looks great - really good interpretation of the competition theme and an excellent piece of terrain to boot

Love the signs and graffiti all over the piece...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/25 02:22:58


Post by: Camkierhi


Fantastic work. Realistic enough, but perfectly balanced for many game systems. Another amazing piece sir. Good luck.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/25 14:20:29


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


I love how you've used a lot if mundane materials to suggest sophistication of purpose for this terrain piece. Looking forward to seeing what else you might have for us.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/25 16:59:00


Post by: CommissarKhaine


Very creative, and I love all the little details. Nicely done!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/25 20:43:37


Post by: Red Harvest


Doc, I'll be honest. You need a blurry image of Steve Ballmer next to that Engineers, Engineers, Engineers, Engineers sign.

A very nice piece. Add some more yellows-- the universal color for dangerous stuff. So much detail but similarly colored and contrasted tends to blur together. (Yes, genuine C&C.)


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/25 22:19:46


Post by: Dr H


Ooo, lots o' comments.

Thanks Ruglud.

Thanks Cam'.

Thanks 'boss. I have a lot of this kind of material laying about in many "it'll be useful one day" piles. I'm on a drive to use more than I add.

Thanks CommissarKhaine.

Red Harvest wrote:Doc, I'll be honest. You need a blurry image of Steve Ballmer next to that Engineers, Engineers, Engineers, Engineers sign.
Que? The internet tells me he was CEO of Microsoft and has lots of money. Beyond that, I don't know.
The original poster comes from Pioneer Engineering & Manufacturing Co. I'm assuming it's real, but I don't know where I got it from.

A very nice piece. Add some more yellows-- the universal color for dangerous stuff. So much detail but similarly colored and contrasted tends to blur together. (Yes, genuine C&C.)
Thanks. Cool, good to get C&C. I'll look at it next time I have some yellows out.

And this is the next project:
It started as a standalone cube that I attempted to make from small pieces of junk. The idea being a set of these labelled as Junkubes.
No real use for anything (maybe as a paperweight at a push, or terrain for you gamers), just as a tactile piece of art.

But, as often with these wild ideas, it didn't "play ball"; ending up as not quite square enough, and needing quite a bit of putty to be used to make it feel better in the hand (for the tactile part, it's quite rough at the moment, not pleasant to handle).

Without either of those things, and requiring a large effort on both parts to see if it could be rescued I put it to one side to await inspiration.

The uncertainty of this project is why you haven't seen it here. It's been under the threat of being chopped up for it's parts.

However, I did get a surge of inspiration the other day and this is where it's going:
Mount it on a stand and turn the stand into a magical elevation / gathering mechanism to show it building itself from parts.

I've drilled a wooden post (old paintbrush handle) into what was decided to be the lower corner and that drilled and epoxy-ied into a block of wood for a firm base.
This is all covered over with card, more bits of junk, and tissue/PVA in preparation for swirly tendrils to be added with putty.

Here's three stages of that:
Imagine anything that isn't a bit of junk to be painted as dust/smoke/magic...


We can explore together where this goes from here...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/25 22:24:19


Post by: Red Harvest


Search for "Developers, Developers, Developers"

Substitute "Engineers, Engineers, Engineers" for "Developers, Developers, Developers" Ah.



The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/25 22:26:48


Post by: Dr H


I see. Thanks Red'.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/26 01:32:48


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


Thank junkube thing is a freaking cool idea! I like the self-assembly aspect of it.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/26 16:34:02


Post by: CommissarKhaine


Suitably crazy mechanicus


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/26 19:38:11


Post by: Ruglud


Looks like a Borg cube with the norovirus


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/26 23:30:21


Post by: Dr H


Thanks 'boss, Com'.

Ruglud: Surely, if it was the norovirus it'd have those at both ends...

Further progress.
I added some tendrils with my 3D printing pen and as it didn't stick very well to many places I've used putty to start building up shape and to anchor the tendrils.


They are still quite fragile and I'm not entirely happy with the look (but it is in that pre-primed stage where all models look hideous).
I'm going to add some more tissue/PVA over them to make them "sheets" rather than tendrils...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/27 21:06:09


Post by: Dr H


 CommissarKhaine wrote:
Suitably disturbing...
Good good.

And that feels better. Tied together with some more tissue and some mud'n'rocks at the bottom. I've got an idea of how I'm going to paint it now.



I'll let it fully dry/cure overnight and then switch my desk to airbrush setup tomorrow and get this coloured in.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/28 00:09:17


Post by: Ruglud


Reminiscent of the Dakka user who made the 'cube' army - forget the name right now... but I recall the thread...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/28 18:08:15


Post by: CommissarKhaine


Still liking it, it's coming a bit more together now


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/04/29 16:45:04


Post by: Dr H


Ruglud wrote:Reminiscent of the Dakka user who made the 'cube' army - forget the name right now... but I recall the thread...
I remember seeing that. Cubes of polystyrene foam, melted into interesting patterns.

Thanks CommissarKhaine. Paint brings it further together...


Also included scale reference of the Deathmark and marine re-paint that I'm working on for my personal army thread.

You may be able to see where it's going now with the mud'n'rocks at the base being sucked up into ghostly grey and glow-y tendrils, with all the junk bits being their own colours (and likely rusty metals).


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/11 16:00:09


Post by: dsteingass


Ohhh! I'll be interested to see how you'll paint up this action scene!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/11 19:57:04


Post by: Dr H


Hi Dave. Well, here's where it's at currently...

Most colours blocked in and shaded.


These multi-coloured things take so long to paint...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/11 21:53:22


Post by: inmygravenimage


That's very cool - it needs some sort of force wielding hand raising it up!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/12 13:26:07


Post by: weetyskemian44


Superb!! Bravo! It looks like it's moving.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/13 14:31:38


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Graven'. True, force-wielding hands not included.

Thanks Weety.

And with the tendrils painted up to white:


Now I need to go over each individual item and finish off details, final highlights, and weathering... But where to start...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/15 23:43:57


Post by: Dr H


And done! I believe...

Many photos at slightly different angles as it's a tricky thing to photograph to give the idea of it's cube-ness.





and a scale shot to give you an idea:


Got a birthday coming up so the next project will be whatever it is I make for them... by the end of the month...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/15 23:58:39


Post by: dsteingass


Dude! That's fantastic!! Really amazing to see it all done.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/16 06:13:27


Post by: inmygravenimage


I like the clueless beaky
Looks top notch bro.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/16 16:09:39


Post by: Gitsplitta


That's utterly fantastic! Bravo!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/17 16:54:42


Post by: Dr H


Thanks chaps. It's good to get such enthusiastic responses to it, as it was a bit of a failed project that's been shoehorned into a new life I didn't really know if anyone would like it.

Graven', yeah he's probably about to be "eaten".

Onto the next project. It's a birthday present so you are all sworn to secrecy. Shh.

To follow on from the Gandalf piece I made previously, we have more Hobbit miniatures. Should be fairly self-explanatory:


Much more work yet to build up the base and then install the figures.
And they are tiny figures, they barely come up to a space marine's waist... which does make sense, they are halflings. But it does make for some tiny models.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/18 11:26:54


Post by: Theophony


Good start, but it almost looks like they are about to have a snowball fight in winter . "We'll get the tricksey baggins my precious."


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/18 11:42:28


Post by: ckig


Junkube is a random piece but its amazing Looks like its coming to life.

What models are you using for the hobbit diorama? They don't look like the GW lotr range.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/18 12:06:25


Post by: dsteingass


Ahh! The Riddle scene! Very cool!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/18 23:42:11


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Theo. Don't you remember the snowball fight scene from The Hobbit?!

ckig wrote:Junkube is a random piece but its amazing Looks like its coming to life.
Thanks ckig. Good to hear.

What models are you using for the hobbit diorama? They don't look like the GW lotr range.
They are not. These are from Mithril miniatures. I would link the website, but it doesn't appear to be working (It was about a year ago). They are very old sculpts. Look for their "Classic 32mm" range.

dsteingass wrote:Ahh! The Riddle scene! Very cool!
From their poses and Gollum holding a fish, I'm placing them just before the riddles.

Nothing to show today, I've mounted it on a polystyrene foam base and given it another layer of tissue/pva. Will update when it looks more exciting.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/19 04:26:30


Post by: Red Harvest


I've heard that the first draft of the hobbit had Bilbo and Gollum shaking hands at the end.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/20 16:56:54


Post by: Dr H


Red': Shows it's always good to give it read over after a break, I suppose.

Slightly more exciting looking...slightly.

I added a few more spikes of rock to enclose them and make the scene more cave-like without needing to build a cave.

Much more to do just to get this done. The rock texture needs more to start with, but I have a plan.
Need to install the figures first...

And for scale here's Bilbo and Gollum next to a 1992 metal marine:


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/20 23:43:12


Post by: shasolenzabi


Thoise two make the Spehs Muhreen look gigantic!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/21 06:10:16


Post by: CommissarKhaine


One way to get true-scale marines...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/21 07:07:30


Post by: Camkierhi


Typical GW, cheating with a thicker base.

Excellent work bud, painting those 2 will be a challenge, especially Bilbo.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/22 10:25:35


Post by: Big H


And now gentlemen I will demonstrate the meaning of patience. .......

Good luck with those two !


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/22 15:46:31


Post by: Dr H


Thanks chaps. Yeah, I said they were small.

and, Cam', these are 32mm scale rather than GW's 28mm. And that's an old metal, little-marine. So we can forgive the base.

A challenge they will be, but that's the point, isn't it?! Good thing I am a patient person. I have just over a week to finish though.

Texture.
The tissue base has been smeared with plaster and that dabbed/patted with the smearing finger to give it the texture (as I did on the "Crash" piece recently).
Bilbo and Gollum have been installed and I've started adding more texture to the ground.
Once that's done the majority of painting will be quick, until I come to the miniatures...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/22 20:13:38


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


Late, as usual, but...that cube thing looks awesome!

This new diorama is coming along nicely. Was there much warping with your chosen materials?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/23 01:48:37


Post by: Yorkright


Cube is fantastic, really looks like it is about to move about. Your color choices are as always good.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/23 23:49:06


Post by: Dr H


Warboss_Waaazag wrote:Late, as usual, but...that cube thing looks awesome!
Never too late for praise. Thanks.

This new diorama is coming along nicely. Was there much warping with your chosen materials?
Ta. Not much at all, I weighed down the middle of the piece while the glue (mostly) dried. There is/was a slight up-turn of the outer edges once it was mounted on the polystyrene foam, but that's mostly fixed with the application of plaster and sanding of the centre. With the slightly rounded edges it appears to float by a mm or two all round. It may well get some felt pads underneath anyway; makes it more shelf-worthy.

Yorkright wrote: Cube is fantastic, really looks like it is about to move about. Color choices are as always good.
Thanks York'. Colours are such a pain to choose when you have a mixed item/material build like this (and the "hide" piece I built a while ago). Getting the balance right from all angles is important, and I spend a lot of time just looking at the primed model, and after adding each colour's basecoat, thinking about where the next colour should be to get that balance right. So much thinking without any progress, but it's worth it in the end.

The cave got it's primer and basecoat done today:


Looking more cave-like now.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/24 01:37:01


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


Yes, very. The entire thing has a very claw-like appearance.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/24 13:25:12


Post by: dsteingass


Nice! I cant wait to see your take on the rubbery cave fern/fungus plants


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/24 13:41:02


Post by: Dr H


Thanks 'boss. I suppose it does with the enclosing nature of the spiky bits. Unintentional as I was going for a cave-like enclosure, but the claw-like undertone would also aid a feeling of danger for the scene.

I forgot to add this as an "in other news" on the last post. So, with pictures...

In other news:
An update on the airbrush extraction hood I built, and the use of filters.

You will remember that when I build the hood I acquired some cooker hood filter "paper" to try out, and found that it was a bit too dense for my fans to pull air through efficiently.
Since then I've been using the hood without a filter.

I thought I'd take a look at the fans and see what state of a mess they are in with all the over-spray that's been pulled through them.

The photos below show you the configuration of the fans (as a reminder), and what they look like now.
Looking in though the collapsed extraction hose (left photo) you can see they are very dusty in appearance. Yes, paint has settled on the fans.
However, a quick poke (no scrubbing needed) shows that it is literally a dust.

So apart from occasionally "needing" to dust off the fans, there doesn't appear to be a need for a filter. I did suspect this, but it's nice to have it confirmed.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 dsteingass wrote:
Nice! I cant wait to see your take on the rubbery cave fern/fungus plants
Hi Dave. Plants are unplanned at the moment, but there will be some. Got to get the rocks done first, and the pool around Gollum...

Washes and dry-brushing incoming...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/25 12:38:54


Post by: Dr H


Washes and dry-brushing done...

I've tried to give the rocks some variation and layers with blue, red, green and brown washes. The ground has had more brown to give it a muddy appearance (so plants can grow, and will be emphasised around what plants I add), the pool is slightly more blue (though I'll likely tint what I throw in there for water).


Next job is plants as some may be in the "water" and so need to be there before I add the PVA (as the bulk of the water) and take advantage of the hot weather to dry it quickly... I'll probably snow as soon as I put it in... blooming weather...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/26 00:30:24


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


Don't get me wrong, I think it's very cave like. Maybe what I should have said was clutches? It just evokes the villainy of the scene. Like "ahah! You are trapped in my cave of being the badguy. Here, see? The diorama pulls your attention to me, Gollum, the sinister guy. And you? Hidden in the dark clutches of my cave lair. Mwahaha."


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/27 20:19:49


Post by: Dr H


Thank you Dave.

I totally got you, 'boss. I would have liked to have said it was intentional to give it that feeling, but I was only focused on making rocks. It's nice that it does give that effect though and I'll take it.

Turns out it didn't snow. The weather did something worse, it stayed hot AND humid; this means evaporating the water from the water effect is taking ages...

I did add the plants though, and I've painted Gollum (and started on Bilbo).

I thought that I'd done a good job on him until I blew up the photos, I may revisit some bits of him and try to smooth out some more of the shading.


I'm hoping for the "water" to come up to the edge of the rock that Gollum is standing on, that's quite a bit thicker than it is and that green will be in the (quite likely, murky) depths.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/27 20:58:25


Post by: Ruglud


Looks good, but the plants confuse me... photosynthesis in a subterranean environment?

Does need a little coracle and lots of bones from his meals of goblins and fish... Yes Precious


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/27 21:52:48


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Rudlug.
I didn't want to paint this up as another dark cave (like Gandalf before) and so I'm envisioning a skylight to the cave.

You will notice that the plants are all around one spot and not spread about the cave evenly.

Hopefully, future highlights and shadows will enhance the effect.

Bones is not a bad idea, I'll look into it if I have the time. Deadline is approaching, I'm loosing tomorrow, and may or may not get more days in the following week. Aiming for Tuesday at the latest, and can't rely of getting until Friday.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/28 16:11:46


Post by: ckig


Considering how small he is I think you've done good on Gollum

I don't mind the plants. Breaks up the grey rock. What about some moss too as a suggestion.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/28 19:17:28


Post by: inmygravenimage


Beautiful water. Yay on plants.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/29 22:20:01


Post by: Dr H


Thanks ckig. Yeah, that's the idea for the plants; break up the grey. There are a couple of patches of moss-like things made from some patches of static grass that I saved from an ebay-save model. I might actually look into buying some static grass, I'm quite impressed with how it looks...

Thanks Graven'. What you see of the water above is meant to be the depths of the pool... However...

...The water hasn't got any better or easier. I added another layer on Sunday morning and it still hasn't cleared now on Monday night.
I'm handing it over tomorrow and will revisit and finish off the water once it's cleared.

The rest is as done as it's going to get, so pictures and forgive the "water":


Getting them both in focus at once has proven difficult, so these are pairs of photos with the focus on one or the other:


And close-ups of both Bilbo and Gollum:


I'll post update photos once I've had a chance of completing the water etc. one day.

Onto the next project...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/29 22:24:46


Post by: Theophony


Bilbo and Golem on Fantasy island??? I don't remember that chapter .must of been a cut scene done in the movie.

Looking great though.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/29 22:33:34


Post by: Dr H


Ha, yeah it amused me to use that particular background for the photos.

Thanks Theo.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/29 23:37:10


Post by: Gitsplitta


That's really nice work Dr H. Bravo!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/05/30 00:10:04


Post by: dsteingass


That's GORGEOUS Doc! Absolutely beautiful piece! That scale is a BEAST to work in, My hat is off to your skill way down there!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/01 21:02:45


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits'.

Thanks Dave. Yeah, just the size of these figures are a challenge to work with.
I may not have mentioned it, but I did plan the positioning of the two figures and the surrounding rocks to allow access all round them. That part of the plan worked out well, and also gives good POV photos. However, I did have challenges with shadows being cast on them when I wanted to hold them at a particular angle; sometimes I had to hold the piece upside-down.

I'm really pleased with how Bilbo's face came out. Blending skin-tones on something that small is a tight balancing act between tanned (too much brown in the shading), sun-burnt (too much red/pink in the base colours), and jaundice (too much cream/bone in the highlights). But I kept at it and he worked out well in the end.

Not sure what is next. Stay tuned...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/02 08:31:53


Post by: inmygravenimage


Really beautiful job mate. Gollum's eyes are particularly freaky.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/03 13:29:31


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Graven'. Yeah, I got lucky with Gollum's eyes. I only had to do them once; got the pupils on the first try. Went for yellow to show the night vision adaptation.

Good news everyone...
I've got my boxes up on Etsy now. https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/534391861/set-of-4-scale-model-rough-wooden-box?ref=shop_home_active_2
As a set of the 4 different boxes there's only 8 available. Get 'em while you can... and other marketing speak...


I've also put up the Junkube. https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/534386711/junkube-one-an-oddity-for-you-first-of?ref=shop_home_active_1


In other news:
Coming soon...
Spoiler:



I've pre-ordered Dark Imperium and will be building, modifying, painting and selling the models.

I can't say I'll be the quickest to market (as somehow there are people that seem to be able to produce painted models on the day of release), but they will be unique.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/05 23:59:39


Post by: shasolenzabi


Gonna add the new chaos and giant marines to the army?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/07 21:48:16


Post by: Dr H


Eventually, I likely will; although I'll wait for multi-pose kits for my personal use. These will be purely for selling.

I do however, get a copy of the rules that I'll keep and the models will pay for, as I did for Dark Vengeance.

These will also be my first Nurgle models. Will be aiming for proper disgusting.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/08 05:19:24


Post by: shasolenzabi


 Dr H wrote:
Eventually, I likely will; although I'll wait for multi-pose kits for my personal use. These will be purely for selling.

I do however, get a copy of the rules that I'll keep and the models will pay for, as I did for Dark Vengeance.

These will also be my first Nurgle models. Will be aiming for proper disgusting.



Oh yes! if I had "water-effects" I would make the pus and weeping sores glisten!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/11 11:45:55


Post by: Cleatus


Catching up. Nice work on the Bilbo and Gollum piece.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/13 23:19:35


Post by: Dr H


Shas'. Ja, many things to try out. We will all see how it turns out.

Thanks Cleatus.

I was going to knock up a couple of quick paintings to keep me going until the box arrives, but I couldn't get the inspiration to do 2D; nothing grabbed me.

So, what do you do when your collection of board-game tile frames reach critical mass...?

...You accidentally start building some Infinity terrain, of course.

Why, Infinity?

Observe the hexagonal shapes... they like that kind of thing, I believe...





From how it's shaping up, this is going to be some kind of garage/workshop.
Possibly some gantries along each side,
Heavily detailed interior,
Something on the roof (it won't stay flat and boring),
See how it goes...

I'm still building up the structure of the walls. Many layers of card to give strength and detail.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/14 06:40:29


Post by: inmygravenimage


Nice, looking forward to your take on mange ultra-tech.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/14 09:01:21


Post by: Ruglud


Great idea here, I've often looked at the empty card frames from board / tabletop games after punching out the required elements and thought about their potential. I recall making a TARDIS floor for my son's Dr Who figures with the card frames from Space Hulk (2009 re-release) and did similar as you by gluing clear plastic over to make a 'solid' floor - not sure I have that piece anymore though, think it may have gone in the recycling eventually... Inspiration abounds though...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/14 11:35:21


Post by: dsteingass


Ye Olde Sprue boxes eh? I think I still have your casts, although I still haven't dug up and gone through that box of stuff.

Very interesting use of the tile frame sheet!



The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/14 15:48:36


Post by: Yorkright


I don't play infinity but do like the looks of this building project. Personally I enjoy playing on a table with good looking terrain and well painted armies, do you get to play on regular basis Doc? Pretty sure your opponents must get a kick out of seeing you set up the table and putting down some amazing armies.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/14 17:12:32


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Graven'. I'll have to peruse my Manga collection to get some ideas when it comes to it.

Thanks Aetare.

Thanks Ruglud. I'm just going with the flow at the moment, Looking at the shape it's forming and the shapes I have on hand, and seeing what fits.

Thanks Dave. It's been a while since I've done any casting, but need to shift some stock first. Although I'm nearly out of toilets, and the mould needs redoing.

Thanks Yorkright. No, I've not played any tabletop wargames. Not that I don't want to, but I came to the hobby from Airfix etc. model kits and the model building is what I enjoy.
I don't know anyone (in the real world) that does play, or even collects models at all.
Also, if you have a look at my (mad) army blog, you'll see that I don't have a standard army that I could hope to convince a random to play against if I were to find a local gaming place.
And at any rate, that army is still not at a point that I could create a playable army from (lacking in HQ choices for one, but that's not the only thing). I am creating a "codex" of a sort for the army as I go, but that is also a work in progress.
One day, once the army is ready (and all painted), the rules ironed out, and I have a table worthy of playing on*, I will try out learning the game (40K in this case) and maybe finding someone willing to play against it.

*I also have a very small collection of terrain for myself, and plan to make a modular table, but don't have the space to store it all, or the "need" to create a table (as I don't have one army to play with, never mind two).

Everything you see in this blog is either for presents or for sale (now or eventually). The stuff I keep for myself is all in the other blog.

Progress.
The basics are done inside. Now to fill the smaller gaps and start to think about what this will contain... a floor would be a good start


A roller shutter door is also something to do...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/15 17:07:25


Post by: Dr H


Floor and door (not a roller shutter as it happens):

Starting with the floor, I found a piece of card that was large enough and roughly cut it to shape (it gets cut to size later).
I then cut lengths of card to form the frame inside the building...

...As the roof is firmly glued on I need some way to access the inside and so the floor will be removable for modelling, painting, and I may leave it for future maintenance too. It's quite a tight fit for "regular" removal, but then it's up to the owner anyway...

...The lengths of card were then glued in using pencil marks from the building on the base card.
Once dry I checked the fit and sanded the frame to perfect the fit.

The building was then seated in place and the rear outer piece was glued in place and the building removed to avoid gluing that in place
Once dry the building was replaced and the front two short sections of card were glued on and the building removed

Once dry the side pieces can just be glued on without the building as they overlap the front and rear pieces that are firmly glued on already.

Finally, the building is placed in and then the excess base card is trimmed to fit the outer card surround.

Then I added the door; building it separately from strips of card and then gluing in place.
Then I cut the inner front card pieces that I forgot needed to be shorter to accommodate the door.


The door is short of the floor, but the inside is getting more card and will be thicker, and these kind of shutters never reach perfectly to the floor anyway.

I can now build the interior inside the floor piece and insert it to the building as one whole. No walls getting in my way.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/16 14:41:06


Post by: Dr H


Ooo, look what arrived (at an ungodly 8am) today...

So many "short" jokes to be made.


Just threw this one together to see how he looks.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/16 17:31:39


Post by: Cleatus


I like the look of that workshop. Nice design.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/18 20:04:54


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Cleatus.

My gap at the bottom of the door is vindicated... kind of.
Floor added, gap is significantly smaller.


However, I've been distracted:


I just thought I'd build them to see the possibilities,
and then there were some (very small) gaps to fill,
and then I wanted to prime them to check I'd got all the (also small) mould lines,
and then I thought I may as well show you lot, and thought that I should give them my usual black layer first,

And now, these are on the desk and the workshop has been put to one side...

With that, a few notes of my opinions.
I'm very hot at the moment (my room is at a steady 30oC today).

but on the models, I'm pleasantly surprised;
There's lots of fine details and really sharp spikes. (I won't get into the design of the models here, I'll likely moan about things as I show them )
The fit of the parts are very good, you could almost (almost) get away without any filling of gaps where they meet.
Certainly a step up in model kit quality for GW.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/19 15:29:10


Post by: shasolenzabi


Good looking Mech garage (the tall walking kind of machine)

Primaris can call the older marines "Little buddy"


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/21 12:32:54


Post by: Dr H


 shasolenzabi wrote:
Good looking Mech garage (the tall walking kind of machine)
Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting for that too. Thoughts are circulating on what interior this requires... while I'm distracted by the Primaris.

Primaris can call the older marines "Little buddy"
In the same way a 6" human is not going to argue with a 7" super-soldier, a 7" super-soldier is not going to argue with a 9" super-duper-soldier...

I'm surprised that no one has got the "I know my place" joke yet...

Anyway, still hot.
But I have managed some painting of the Primaris.
This is just the base coat, and will be highlighted up to white for a "bone" finish.

And I'm thinking a brass colour for the trim.

While I could have painted these up in a chapter's colours, that just limits the number of people that'll be interested.
Therefore I'm aiming for a unique paint-job that can be used with any chapter/army as a "special" squad.

Slow going at the moment though as the weather is too hot for airbrushing (the paint would dry before reaching the mini's) or even wet-blending really. I'm having to stick to layering and many layers means slow. Even sitting still for more than an hour is uncomfortable. *Moan moan, blooming British weather, moan moan...*

And some other thoughts on the models:
Of the two squads of Primaris that come in this box, this first squad is made up of unique poses.
However, the way these are constructed there's not much you can do easily to modify them and not end up looking like one of the others:
"I could raise this one's gun... but then I'd look like this one"
"I could move his leg like, so... but then I'd look like this other one"
and so on.
That's why I've left these as is.

The other squad though, is made of the sergeant and 2 pairs of identical marines.
These will definitely be modified, however difficult It'll be.

And that brings me to thoughts on ease of re-posing.
Specifically the hips.
If you look at the upper legs you have 3 layers of armour: one that surrounds the leg (as you get on normal marines), then there's a thicker patch of armour (also on the leg), then there's a plate of armour that hangs from the waist over the leg... this last one will cause people problems.

f you want to change the angle of the leg, this plate has to be "left" in place. It hangs from the waist and so shouldn't change angle as the leg moves. Unless they do these separate in the multi-pose kits, you can't chop the leg off at the hip easily; you're either going to have to cut around this plate and re-build the leg, or chop off the plate and re-build that (which would be the easier option).

We will have to see when I come to the second squad, what it's like with these single-pose models. Going to be more work than expected.
The upper bodies should be as easy as normal marines though.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/21 13:13:40


Post by: Gitsplitta


I appreciate your comments on the re-posing San. Have a group of these myself that I haven't fiddled with yet and your comments really help.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/21 15:55:08


Post by: Dr H


It's not often that I get my hands on new models for everyone (there's many that are new to me), and I like to share thoughts on things.

Just wait until I get to the flying ones, there's a long list of things I'll be changing there.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/21 15:56:56


Post by: Theophony


I want Ron see your take on the chaos boys. Everyone is doing marines, I want to see pus.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/21 16:00:58


Post by: Dr H


I will likely alternate between the two armies, so pus-boys next.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/21 16:08:02


Post by: Yorkright


Mine are still sitting in the box waiting for their time in the que. May have to give some of your ideas a try so they wont look identical. Like Theophony I too am looking forward to someones take on the pus/Nurgle marines.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/22 06:03:33


Post by: inmygravenimage


Looking good. In fact, I look up to him (but down on him...) Dare you to do 4 candles as his chapter badge.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/22 21:17:18


Post by: Dr H


Yorkright, I'll be sure to show how I go about chopping all these models up. I don't know about the other squad, but two of this squad don't have the waist-mounted armour plates, so they could be removed and not replaced, but you would need to shave down the remains on the chopped leg. Will have to see when I come to it, there's always a way.

Thank you Graven'. Good to see someone knows what it was about. I do plan on doing a unique symbol on these, don't know yet if I could get away with 4 candles... maybe some O's...

Anyway, progress:
Actual blending this time, up to the "cream" layer.
Still to do a couple more layers ending with almost white (to allow for edge highlights of white).


Once that's done I may be able to decide on a helmet colour (hence still being black with paint splodges on). Sergeant will be red, but the rest... will see when the armour colour is done.

And if you are reading this, why not pop over the the latest LoER terrain contest voting thread and cast your vote for your favourite piece of terrain:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/729874.page#9445931
Thanks.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/24 16:27:21


Post by: Dr H


And now after tidying up the crevices (scraping out excess paint and pin-washes) and edge highlights, this is stage one (mostly) done:


I'm still thinking brass for the trim and fancy bits.
And I'm thinking a bright silver/chrome for the helmets.
Classic red guns (they have to get some colour somewhere).
And some other spot colour to contrast with it all at the end...

Onwards.

The LoER voting is very close at the moment, so if you haven't popped in to vote please do.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/24 16:30:17


Post by: Theophony


I actually like the look of the black as the helmets, though tidied up it would be better . Maybe blue eye lenses for the added color your looking for.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/24 16:41:48


Post by: Dr H


I did consider making the helmets black, but they are going to be tricky to paint with the work required for black. Had I kept them separate it would have been easier.

Tip for those who haven't built them yet: Keep the heads separate until you've painted them.

Also, the black helmets remind me of one of the Eldar guardians I have in my army that is basically the same scheme with a black helmet. I seem to be drawn to this cream/bone/brown colour.

Blue eyes are a possibility.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/24 23:52:59


Post by: dsteingass


If anyone can make me complement a marine, it's you Doc! Great job man!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/25 07:51:23


Post by: youwashock


These guys are lookin' good and I appreciate the musings on the process and future plans.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/25 08:23:10


Post by: Camkierhi


Really great work. They certainly lend themselves to nice poses. As always, nice paint coming on.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/25 22:20:18


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Dave. Go MahReeens!

Thanks youwashock. Good to hear, I do that a lot.

Thanks Cam'. I'm sure there'll be many people new to this game struggling with painting these. The type of models that come in these box sets are easy to build, but very difficult to paint for someone not used to model painting, or those too eager to get the models build and have glued them together before painting (or even thinking of painting, not mentioning any names ).

It was the same with Dark Vengeance, such as the Chapter master holding his sword up close to his head.
These guys hold their guns right up close to their chests; you cannot see daylight between them. Also, the way the heads sit down inside the armour and the closeness of this to the front of the backpack make all these bits tricky to paint in-situ.

There's probably many people swearing at these as they try to paint them neatly. I've done it to myself enough times to not be worried about it and I know ways of getting around such issues. But they could be easier to paint for beginners (and the rest of us), and the instructions could at least mention "paint before assembly" somewhere as an option.

I would advise anyone (even those used to painting "normal" space marines) to leave the heads and backpacks off to paint.

Anyway...

Ooo, I like how these look with the brass bits.
And I've tidied up various bits ready for the steel and silver.


Until next time...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/25 23:07:41


Post by: kavika0311


Those guys are looking pretty awesome. I like the color scheme so far and am really interested in what a red rifle would look like with them.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/26 22:50:03


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Kavika'. And so you shall see...

The chrome-domes didn't look right. The bright silver just didn't fit the scheme.
So I've gone for a dark grey, but I kept the face-plates silver just to remember my original thought.

Black bits and grey-metal bits have been done and, of course, the red bits (except purity seals as that uses a different paint).



Not fully decided on eye colour, may be blue to show the inner Ultramarine showing through... Would contrast with the red nicely too.

I'm going to work on the bases next so that I can mount them and stop them getting in each other's way for the fiddly bits and I can stop rubbing the paint off their toes...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/27 01:19:44


Post by: Yorkright


I was wondering where you were going with the bolters, red is a great choice. Liking the red helm, will the rest be the same or is he the squad leader?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/28 15:44:25


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Yorkright. Yeah, the red works. Just the one red helmet, he's the Sergeant as per the "official" markings from the rules (for those sticking to what big Rob' says).

I decided to go for flagstones on the bases and tried out a different way of making them (as opposed to sculpting them from putty, like I did for Frodo and Co.).

Just primed there, painting will bring out the detail better.

And just for consistency of photo updates, the squad on their bases.


I decided to not crack the flag's on the Sergeant's base to show his greater purity / strength / better-ness...

I'll let the glue dry fully before continuing with painting.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/28 17:38:53


Post by: youwashock


Those guys are looking top -notch.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/28 19:01:57


Post by: Theophony


Nice flagstone work Dr. H .


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/29 18:46:17


Post by: OneManNoodles


Awesome work on those flagstones, not sure I like the idea of using powdered dried paint as the mortar but hey if it works (looks convincing to me) and it's what you've got to hand then who am I to judge.

top notch shading on the marines to boot, marine armour is deceptively difficult to paint imo.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/06/30 03:00:59


Post by: shasolenzabi


Primaris Marines looking good there Dr.H! and as for interiors for the garage? well, ceiling mounted mobile crane sounds like a winner to me, walls with pipes and wires, and diagnostic stations for the mechs getting worked on. I know this is a HUGE bay in the image, but something like this on the scale of the garage you have




The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/03 22:01:57


Post by: Dr H


Apologies for radio silence, I got distracted with other things.
One of those things was updating the blueprints for my settlements in Fallout 4, to be used with the Transfer Settlements mod. Now you get my wiring along with the construction.

Replies first, then pictures (not quite finished yet...):
Thanks youwashock.

Thanks Theo'.

OneManNoodles wrote:Awesome work on those flagstones, not sure I like the idea of using powdered dried paint as the mortar but hey if it works (looks convincing to me) and it's what you've got to hand then who am I to judge.
Thanks OMN. I use crushed dried paint for the mud'n'rocks mixture on most of my personal models: Whenever the remnants of paint in one of my paint pots dries up beyond use, I'll scrape it out and let it fully cure before crushing it up (bare in mind I use enamel paints YMMV with your own paints).
The mixture will also likely include plastic and plaster scraps from my work board.
I just sprinkle it onto PVA on the base, pick, move and remove individual bits to my liking and let the glue dry.
Give it a layer of water/PVA to seal and fully attach.
Then paint as usual.

You could just use any fine powder for the mortar to the same effect, this is just what I've used.

top notch shading on the marines to boot, marine armour is deceptively difficult to paint imo.
Thanks. Subtle as usual for my painting, but I like it to be an aid to natural shadows, rather than heavy contrast.

shasolenzabi wrote:Primaris Marines looking good there Dr.H!
Thanks Shas'.

and as for interiors for the garage? well, ceiling mounted mobile crane sounds like a winner to me, walls with pipes and wires, and diagnostic stations for the mechs getting worked on. I know this is a HUGE bay in the image, but something like this on the scale of the garage you have
Ta. Yeah, similar ideas to what I'm thinking.

And the Primaris:
Further details painted (still some to do), the bases finished, and the transfers on the shoulders...

...I first decided to add a circle (sourced from Crimson fist icons with some careful scalpel use) and then paint a logo/icon in the centre. But then I saw the circle by itself and had a thought.
These are intended to be not attached/affiliated with any particular chapter. Mainly to allow these to be saleable to the widest audience.
I think that the empty circle represents this nicely.
Also, the buyer could add their own chapter transfer if they wanted them to "belong" to their chapter, but the circle can still remain to give the special, from outside, appearance.

With a red circle chosen, and a white "tactical" arrow unlikely to show up well on the cream/bone armour, I chose the red double arrow to show the squad's battlefield role and to match the guns. I've also left off the squad number so that the buyer can add their preferred transfer here.

Blue eyes / lenses to show the big Rob link of Ultramarine.

I took photos of all angles of each of them so that I can check them over for things to fix, so here's a different angle of each one to give you an all round view (as you've only seen the front so far):


Now to do the final little details and the touch-ups, then final photos.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/04 22:42:41


Post by: Dr H


And... I think I've got them all. Done!

I took photos from many angles with the intention of showing you lot the best, but in the end all the angles seemed necessary...
Go...photo-dump!
All zoom-able and vote-able.













I'll have these up on Etsy soon.

Nurgle soon...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/04 22:46:37


Post by: Theophony


I liked the cream color a lot, but with that bluish helmet it's even better . Also nice generic chapter symbol.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/04 22:49:13


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Theo. Glad you like how they turned out. The helmets are grey, but with the blue eyes and the contrast with the red they do appear slightly blue.

Quoted for page over:
Dr H wrote:And... I think I've got them all. Done!

I took photos from many angles with the intention of showing you lot the best, but in the end all the angles seemed necessary...
Go...photo-dump!
All zoom-able and vote-able.













I'll have these up on Etsy soon.

Nurgle soon...




The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/04 23:55:38


Post by: dsteingass


The bases are beautiful doc! If you'd done an edge highlight on the boltgun parts in silver, it would've worked, but silver is too bright on it's own. I've been trying the Vallejo Metallics lately, they are really nice.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/05 07:39:44


Post by: Red Harvest


Nicely done Doc. Those red boltguns take me back to 1995. Ah, the days of 2nd edition... A glorious mess that one. But fun.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/05 13:15:54


Post by: Gitsplitta


Those are incredibly well done Dr H. Oh my gosh, I just love them! The bone color on the armor is expertly executed. Wow... just wow.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/07 13:58:09


Post by: Dr H


dsteingass wrote:The bases are beautiful doc!
Thanks Dave. They came out well and not too difficult for the area (perhaps too much for a large terrain piece...).

If you'd done an edge highlight on the boltgun parts in silver, it would've worked, but silver is too bright on it's own. I've been trying the Vallejo Metallics lately, they are really nice.
Are you talking about the chrome helmet idea or the metallics on them now? I did my usual gun-metal base, black wash, dry-brush silver on these. But my silver pot is on it's way out and possibly went on a bit too heavy in places. However, I want these to look really new as the Primaris are fresh off the factory floor; hence the lack of verdigris on the brass bits.

The chrome helmets just didn't look right with the scheme. The light, bright, coolness of the grey-metal just didn't sit well next to the warmness of the rest of the scheme, together with it all being quite light too. Needed the dark helmets to contrast against it.

Thanks Red'. I was aware of 40k back then and did do many drawings of space marines as a child, but never got into to game or miniatures (even though I also built many Airfix kits back then too). We had (still have) space crusade as my main exposure to space marines etc. from back then though.
Maybe something from those days sunk in because I'm always receiving comments about how "old school" my 40k models turn out in their aesthetic.
I just like the look of red bolters.

Thanks Gits'. Great to hear.

Thanks Big'.


Had a bit of a break to work on my Fallout 4 mod after a YouTuber showed it glitching out after I thought it had been fixed.
So I went in and re-did the performance optimisation for the interior of the cave and fixed various issues that came up because of it.
It should be as good as it's going to get now.
If you are still playing Fallout 4 check out my Coastal Cottage Cave mod.
On the Nexus (for PC users): http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20715/?
There you can find the original mod and the compatible version (for if you have mods or buildings in the way).

and/or on Beth.net;
for the PC: https://bethesda.net/en/mods/fallout4/mod-detail/3330304
or compatible: https://bethesda.net/en/mods/fallout4/mod-detail/3426532
for the XB1: https://bethesda.net/en/mods/fallout4/mod-detail/3330375
or compatible: https://bethesda.net/en/mods/fallout4/mod-detail/3426516
for the PS4: https://bethesda.net/en/mods/fallout4/mod-detail/3330818
or compatible: https://bethesda.net/en/mods/fallout4/mod-detail/3426493

That fix took most of two days.

Now it's done though, back to models.
I'm pulling out the Plague marines, building them, and then making notes on what I might change.
One so far, but I'll be back once I've been through all 7 and share my thoughts.

Stay tuned.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/08 22:00:14


Post by: Dr H


Did some painting... of the kitchen walls.

Also, my thoughts on the Plague marines, one by one:

But first, in general. They are pretty good models.
Not as much bling or unnecessary details as some of the Dark Vengeance chaos models (thoughts on this may change when it comes to painting...).
The poses are all along the same lines in terms of the idea; that is, all of them (except 1) has a relaxed / confident pose. I get that this is the Nurgle "thing"; no pain, slowly lumbering up to the enemy, etc. but only one of the 7 is actually in an attacking pose. It's no simple job to change this either (I may give it a go on one of them, see below).
Not every limb needs to be hacked off as some arms are separate at the shoulder, this makes life easier for some re-posing. Although usually the other arm is not so simple.

For all of them I'll be adding crusty rust and goo / pus, and I'll be deepening the pits in the armour and roughing up the edges of them (they are just too smooth to be believable damage from war or corrosion).
There's also a few casting/mould-making issues here and there that will be fixed too.

As for individually...
#1

My first thought was to make his mace more deadly looking, but I think now that that is a plague grenade, so will make it look more grenade-like.
The grenade belt on his front needs a hole for a removed grenade.
His metal tabard will be shortened by removing the two indicated plates and re-attaching the lower one at the top, then adding a cloth underneath it.
I'll give him a third eye lens, off centre to his right (nurgle's all about 3's), his head is just a bit too neat.
The armour about the sprouting hoof on his right leg need to look more broken.
The dangling plague grenade at his back will be removed and have it's "hair" removed, then may be placed somewhere else (more as a trophy); I just don't like how the hair/smoke/whatever has been done on it.

#2 Which appears from the loadout to be the champion

The hood is going to be cut down to reveal more of the face and the dangly bits will be removed.
The sword hand/arm will be rotated forwards to a more threatening pose (instead of "come at me bro" pose).
The fly will be moved to the left shoulder (think "pieces of 8").
More tentacles.

#3

Going to bring his tongue outwards / forwards.
Change the horns on his head, shape-wise.
Move his sword outwards, maybe upwards (less relaxed).
The smiley face on the shoulder pad to be changed to a skull.
Move his plague grenades... where? I don't know.

#4 The one and only "action" pose.

The little tentacle holding a bell to be changed into a more impressive tentacle.
Rotate the sword arm a little.
More tentacles...
?

#5

I really like this guy's head. Which is a shame, because it's easily replaced. Won't be.
More tentacles.
Change horn of left shoulder, too neat.
Break up the armour more around the spikes on left leg.
Move the sword, possibly to hip. (has the same backpack as #6, with the sword attached. both need to be changed to be unique in the world).
More fleshiness to the backpack...
Tentacle peeping out the hole in the chainmail.

#6

In theory, I like that GW did with #5 and #6. They have the same body, legs, left arm and backpack; with different chest, head and right arm. Getting these pieces to fit the same base model is very clever. Needs changing to be more unique though
Change the horns on the head (interfere with armour a bit too much)
Give the gun a strap.
Change to an aiming pose (if possible); raise gun and place head accordingly.
Move the tongue from the shoulder pad from around the arm (as it is above for #5).
Change horn on that shoulder.
Change horns on leg to tentacles, and break the armour a bit more.
Move sword, this time to right side of backpack (on his back, not the pack).
Add horns to backpack.
Alter the horns on his right shoulder.

#7

Give his gun a strap.
Add a third eye/lens above left eye.
Add smoke to various smokestacks (to match the style of #4).
Add goo/pus to broken armour on right arm (maybe a tentacle too).
?

And there you have it.
There may be more changes as I come to them, but we'll have to see...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/08 22:46:57


Post by: OneManNoodles


Beautiful work on the primaris marines.

Nurgle next and some interesting ideas, getting a distinct tentacle theme so far.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/08 23:26:45


Post by: Camkierhi


Looking forward to the Nurgle, those PM are really nice, great colour choice.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/09 03:10:46


Post by: Gitsplitta


Those are masterful.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/09 17:07:21


Post by: Yorkright


Should have sent you my plague marines for a make over. Primes look fab and now I cant wait to see your PMs, what color scheme are you thinking of, old school or something different?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/09 21:08:16


Post by: inmygravenimage


Excellent repositioning work doc!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/09 22:14:10


Post by: shasolenzabi


Great job on the Primaris, the size they should have been for decades!

Nurgle Marines looking like a nice project to paint!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/15 21:48:28


Post by: Dr H


Sorry for absence, I had an impromptu PC upgrade that required a re-install of Windows (and therefore everything else too). Slowly getting the settings back to how they were.

OneManNoodles wrote:Beautiful work on the primaris marines.
Thanks.

Nurgle next and some interesting ideas, getting a distinct tentacle theme so far.
As well as red bolters, I like tentacles...

Camkierhi wrote:Looking forward to the Nurgle, those PM are really nice, great colour choice.
Thanks Cam'.

Gitsplitta wrote:Those are masterful.

inmygravenimage wrote:Excellent repositioning work doc!

Hold your horses there chaps, the above Plagues are just stock. The changes start here.

Yorkright wrote: Should have sent you my plague marines for a make over.
I can be convinced to fiddle with anyone's models if you throw money at me.

Primes look fab and now I cant wait to see your PMs, what color scheme are you thinking of, old school or something different?
Thanks. My thoughts at the moment are for the Plagues to be a variety of typical greens and/or browns. But each will be his own shade and the paint on the armour will be "old" looking (chipped and dirty etc.). Maybe to look as if they were "normal" SM colours that have faded to the final green/brown, if I can come up with a good way of doing that.

shasolenzabi wrote:Great job on the Primaris, the size they should have been for decades!
Thanks Shas'. There's so many opinions of the new tall-marines on the net. Some like them, some hate them, some think this is how marines should look, some think they will replace tiny-marines... I see them as variety, nothing more , nothing less.

Nurgle Marines looking like a nice project to paint!
Will be an interesting change. My first Nurgle. *Need an Orkmoticon picking it's nose*

Due to PC work (and kitchen decoration), this is all I have achieved modelling wise:

This is just the taking-away stage, apart from the added lens to the helmet... Holes deepened, roughened edges, other damage, shortened tabard, etc...
...next comes whatever I might add... Maybe a tentacle or two...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/16 11:02:26


Post by: Camkierhi


Tentacles!!

Well you have started at least, nice to see, these are so busy a model interesting to see how you go.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/17 05:42:29


Post by: Scarper


Wow, Dr H! 57 pages in and I didn't realise you had another blog
Those primaries marines are absolutely beautiful, the bone colour works very well. Looking forward to seeing what you do with the plague marines, and it looks like I have some catching up to do!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/18 13:48:42


Post by: Dr H


Thank Cam'. Yeah, there is a fair amount of detail on these chaps as it is. So I am trying to be careful to move, replace or alter details rather than add more. Does make them more difficult to unique-ify them.
Some of them are easier to change than others, this first one is not the best example; there's not much I can do to him (without major, time-consuming, changes).

Lo Scarper. Yeah, those sneaky 2nd (3rd, 4th... in some cases) blogs that are easily missed and lead to you wondering where a certain poster has gone. Can sometimes feel like they are cheating on a project or army
At least it's the smaller of my 2 blogs you have to catch up on (rather than my 137 page "army" blog). Have fun with the catch-up and feel free to comment on anything you like.

Thanks on the Prim-marines.

and the additions to Plague #1 are done (for now).
The tabard is on and tattered and I added smoke/fumes to the grenade to give it a Molotov cocktail look rather than "is that a club?" look. You should be in no doubt that he's about to throw something at you, rather than bash your head in.

With painting, weathering and goo, he should look unique enough.

Next up is the leader of the gang (the order I'm working in follows the order of construction in the instruction booklet, no other reason than that).
Quite a few more changes to be made on him...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/18 20:51:47


Post by: inmygravenimage


Very nice. I shamble corrected.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/18 21:25:38


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Graven.

Oo, while I'm here, I forgot to ask you lot out there; What grass do you use for a field/lawn finish for your bases?

I believe static grass is the thing to look for, but I'm not sure where/who is best.
I want proper blades of grass looking stuff.
I've only ever done tufts of grass with brush bristles, never full covered bases.

The plan is the base these plagues on grass bases where their footsteps show as dead/dying grass patches.

Thanks.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/19 10:57:04


Post by: Ruglud


Those marines look great and help that the models have better proportions than the squat marines we usually see.

For basing, I tend to use Woodland Scenics ground cover products - they have a great range of colours and textures for various effects. Not the cheapest, but look great: https://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/category/GroundCover

I will though be investing in some grass 'tufts', similar to the Army Painter range (https://shop.thearmypainter.com/products.php?ProductGroupId=3), although I've seen various sellers on ebay offering this stuff with competitive prices.

I have an old pack of static grass from GW (purchased back in the late 90s I believe), never used it, but want to give it a try...

Here's a nice little tutorial for woodland type bases that would fit well with Plague marines - could easily add fungus sprouting up in their footsteps...
http://fromthewarp.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/making-wood-themed-bases-is-easy-to-do.html


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/19 13:24:16


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Ruglud. And thanks, that gives me a good starting point for what to look for.

And number 2 has had some work done:
Removed the dangly bits from the hood and cut it back around the face (much more difficult than it looked),
Added a tentacle from spare putty,
Rotated the sword arm,
Removed the fly from the backpack's horn,
Given the fly some legs...

...the original legs for the fly are a mass a plastic that I did try to cut into a spread out, but the majority snapped off and didn't look good for placing it on the shoulder. So I added some new ones.
First, I moved the abdomen outwards (originally it's curled up under the body), and used the gap to add the rear set of legs,
Then drilled holes through the body for the front two sets of legs.

I'll leave him off (as well as the backpack) for easier painting, but the legs will be drilled into the shoulder pad so it'll be secure.


This should give him a more threatening pose (less "ta-da!" and more "I'm going to stab you in the gut") as well as a bit of fly-falconry... fly-conry... with his pet fly. Rather than it buzzing about his head.

Thoughts and more opinions on grass options welcome.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/20 13:44:21


Post by: Dr H


Position of fly finalised.


And did someone mention tentacles...?

...Oh yeah, that was me.

As this chap has quite a few tentacles as stock, I thought I'd go a bit further.

And in case you wonder how it's done, suction cups:




The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/20 17:01:49


Post by: Theophony


Looking good and slimed there Dr. H .


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/20 20:15:24


Post by: Scarper


Very much enjoy the tentacles. The suction cups add a lot!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/21 10:10:53


Post by: Ruglud


Davy Jones in Space - just need to change the power fist for a power claw and give him a bionic peg leg

(Note: not a reference to Davy Jones of Monkees fame...)


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/24 03:52:48


Post by: Camkierhi


Magical work, Plague are looking fantastic, love the tentacles.

@ Ruglud, Wonder what they would find in Davy Jones (the Monkees) Locker?
Oh and @ Ruglud, just ask, I can make you tufty bits no bother bud.

OK Static grass. Nothing wrong with Ruglud's suggestions, though I find them expensive.

Watch this...


This guy has some great ideas, worth checking out, though like every other Youtuber, seems to be out for the magical millions, puts me off a little.

Their website:
http://www.war-world.co.uk/

2mm will give you realistic normal grass, 6mm is more like a meadow. I have only ever applied it with PVA and sprinkled it on, and give it a little blow to give it some look of direction of the wind type of thing. It goes everywhere all the time. You could get fancy applicators, but to be honest unless you are doing vast areas it is simply not worth it. Talking of which, If you were to get say a 100g bag as above, that will be close to a lifetime supply for the likes of you and me. Beware of the colour, have a good close look at some of this stuff, for instance the summer mix for all companies tends to have some really blue fibres in, I am being stupid finicky, but when I look closely at the model (like on my monitor after taking a 14Mb pic) you notice it. Want to go through and pick them out, but must resist, for there lies madness.

For your footsteps idea, good old fashioned twine, dirt cheap at the hard ware store, snip it with scissors and sprinkle on as like a separate coat in the footsteps, will look like dead grass.




"Borrowed" from Luke Towan youtuber.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjRkUtHQ774mTg1vrQ6uA5A

As usual, disclaimer, I am no expert and will happily bow to better knowledge on the subject, certainly I should imagine Dave or Red, are what I would class as experts for this type of thing.

Hope this helps.



The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/24 06:18:46


Post by: Red Harvest


Now that's a good idea. I've used sisal twine before, but never thought to use it as trampled grass. Always as a stand or tuft of dried grass or wheat or such-- you stick a length in a glue filled hole. Let the glue set, then untwist the twine. Boom! You can also bundle it around a shape to make hay/straw bales.

Nice idea for sculpting tentacles.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/27 16:45:51


Post by: Dr H


Oops, got distracted with building in Fallout 4 again.

Thanks Theo'.

Thanks Scarper. Can't have too many tentacles. I liked the suction cups enough to add them to the other large tentacle.

Thanks Ruglud. lol

Thanks Cam'.
Good suggestions. As I managed to find WWS on ebay and they had an offer on (I'd say "special" but it wasn't that special; buy 3 get 20% off the 4th), I've ordered some from them. 200g in 4 flavours and 2 lengths, should be good for all possible possibilities for the foreseeable future.
Very useful as always.

Thanks Red'.

And I couldn't reply without something to show so I have something to show...

I wanted to paint the above chap's fly just to see how it looked without bright green legs and it seems to have worked: When someone won't approach any closer than the door, even after you've told them it's plastic, it should do for realism.


and together:


I'll be back with #3 once I get around to him...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/27 17:10:10


Post by: Moltar


Fly looks outstanding!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/28 03:01:11


Post by: Shrapnelsmile


Absolutely love the tentacles. Thanks for the tutorial!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/29 14:58:55


Post by: Dr H


Moltar wrote:Fly looks outstanding!
Thanks Moltar. It's the best kind of fly (it doesn't buzz about my head).

Shrapnelsmile wrote:Absolutely love the tentacles. Thanks for the tutorial!
Thanks. Always glad to help and share useful tips.

Do you think this will be enough grass?

From the top, that's spring, summer, autumn and dead (they do do winter, but I wanted a browner grass for the final bag).
Look good in the bags, will have to play with them soon.

And progress on number 3.
This is one of those things on these type of model (single pose etc.) that I feel I have to "fix".
When the models are cast it's not easy to have the mould, that approaches from one angle, get behind a hanging or overlapping feature.
This leads to a stretched superposition of the hanging feature.
Like mouldlines, I can't un-see these things and have to correct them.
However, points to GW for making these almost ("almost") appear like slime.

It's not just on this model, or even just the tabard, many of the hoses about their bodies have this kind of thing that I'm correcting as I go.
Unlikely that these things will show in the final models, but I know they are there and now so do you.

Other work on this one consists of removing the teeth from the hole in his torso armour to make it broken, not a mouth.
One tentacle changed to a mass of flesh "pouring" out the hole, and one tentacle added to hide more casting stretches (with a triplet of boils added near it's base).

The sword arm has been rotated outwards a little.
I cut around the arm, with a saw, where it meets the shoulder pad. Not all the way through and then twisted the remaining plastic to the desired position. Chucked in some poly cement to fix it in place. Filled the remaining gap with putty.

This is a good model to repose as both arms are separate from the body, at the shoulder. None of the others from the box are like this.


The gun arm is going to be changed from a relaxed pose to raised and aiming.
Minimal cutting and some putty work.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/29 19:11:21


Post by: Ruglud


Nice haul, I've been looking at various colours and lengths on ebay - must put an order in soon

Camkierhi wrote:Magical work, Plague are looking fantastic, love the tentacles.

@ Ruglud, Wonder what they would find in Davy Jones (the Monkees) Locker?
Oh and @ Ruglud, just ask, I can make you tufty bits no bother bud.

OK Static grass. Nothing wrong with Ruglud's suggestions, though I find them expensive.

Watch this...


This guy has some great ideas, worth checking out, though like every other Youtuber, seems to be out for the magical millions, puts me off a little.

Their website:
http://www.war-world.co.uk/

2mm will give you realistic normal grass, 6mm is more like a meadow. I have only ever applied it with PVA and sprinkled it on, and give it a little blow to give it some look of direction of the wind type of thing. It goes everywhere all the time. You could get fancy applicators, but to be honest unless you are doing vast areas it is simply not worth it. Talking of which, If you were to get say a 100g bag as above, that will be close to a lifetime supply for the likes of you and me. Beware of the colour, have a good close look at some of this stuff, for instance the summer mix for all companies tends to have some really blue fibres in, I am being stupid finicky, but when I look closely at the model (like on my monitor after taking a 14Mb pic) you notice it. Want to go through and pick them out, but must resist, for there lies madness.

For your footsteps idea, good old fashioned twine, dirt cheap at the hard ware store, snip it with scissors and sprinkle on as like a separate coat in the footsteps, will look like dead grass.




"Borrowed" from Luke Towan youtuber.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjRkUtHQ774mTg1vrQ6uA5A

As usual, disclaimer, I am no expert and will happily bow to better knowledge on the subject, certainly I should imagine Dave or Red, are what I would class as experts for this type of thing.

Hope this helps.


@Camkierhi - Great advice mate. I've been subscribed to Luke Towan's vids for a while, some absolute gems in those... Especially the DIY Flowering Static Grass Tufts - these will be perfect for what I need on my Bolt action bases... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBzGuAtOIxQ)


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/29 23:10:15


Post by: Dr H


 Ruglud wrote:
Nice haul, I've been looking at various colours and lengths on ebay - must put an order in soon
Ja. As I said, I found WWS on ebay and I prefer buying from actual shops than random people (even though there's a minimal distinction on the internet and I, myself, am a random person trying to be a proper shop online).
Woodland scenics grass didn't look as natural from the pictures (more homogeneous in colouration), were more expensive / seemed to only come in large tubs.
Noch grass looked as good as WWS, but you could only buy direct from them (or randoms on ebay) and have to pay postage.

Final pose for number 3:

I remembered to change the smiley face to a skull after taking most of the photos so the only updated picture is the one without the base.

In other news; new scalpel blade, cut finger. Took about 30 seconds.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/30 18:33:18


Post by: OneManNoodles


Ah yes the fun of a fresh blade, the worst bit is you don't feel it ... until its stopped bleeding and you run it under hot water.

With the tentacles try mixing the miliput and green stuff together in equal parts. You get a putty that shares properties with both, better able to hold a shape, especially an edge but more plastic and easier to sculpt without water, just a clay shaper will do.

Nice work, definatly a good improvement on the original imo.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/31 03:53:00


Post by: Yorkright


These are looking great Doc, much better than the originals. Sorry to hear about the scalpel incident, but all artists have to go through some pain before they create masterpieces.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/31 05:18:35


Post by: inmygravenimage


Love the gribbly goodness.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/31 05:42:27


Post by: evildrcheese


Lovely work on tge Plague Marines. I especially like the Fly-boy.

EDC


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/31 06:25:14


Post by: VyRa


I'll go ahead and say, that the fly is easily one of the best conversions, that i've seen this year. Simple, yet outstanding. The tentacle tutorial is also very insightful, i will certainly make use of it along the way.

You've me hooked, i'm really looking forward to whatever mad vile creatures you create next!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/31 22:36:04


Post by: Dr H


OMN: Not the first time and won't be the last. I felt it this time as I was looking at it when it happened. Details:
Spoiler:
I was switching my grip from "knife" to "pen" and dropped it onto the side of the tip of my middle finger. Chopped into and slid forward, I felt that (not quite as clearly as feeling the roughness of the blade as you cut into the pad of the thumb, for example. but felt it slice). Only about 1mm deep and 1.5mm long.
I had to immediately get a plaster on it. Nothing drastic, was just amusing at how short the time between installing the new blade and drawing blood.

Ja, I do mix milliput and GS for these things. I rarely use GS pure.
I only add GS to the mix if I'm making something that has a risk of being snapped off. The added flexibility of GS means it will bend and not snap.

Thanks.

Thanks Yorkright. Yeah, I'm used to getting minor cuts from modelling (been building models since... the early 90's). Always from new sharp blades, usually on the tip of my thumb from shaving sprue tags etc. (tut tut, shouldn't cut towards oneself )

Thanks Graven.

Thanks EDC.

Thanks VyRa and welcome to my corner of DDakka. (I have another blog that covers my personal projects, if you want more of my work to look through)
Glad you liked the fly. I had to paint him up just to see how effective it looked.
Good to hear you like the tutorial. I've learnt so much from what I've read on other's blogs, and like to give something back when I can.

No pic's today.
The next chap is the tricky one of the bunch. Active pose, bells all over the place... Not much room to change. Thinking...
I've rotated his sword arm (a common occurrence for this squad), cut off a couple of tentacles (that I'll be replacing, don't you worry), and... thinking.
I may switch his backpack with one of the others; one of the "body-twins" probably, will help to distinguish them from each other.

In other news;
2 sales in one week. Has been a good 6 days.
"Hide" is over in Japan, on it's way to it's new owner,
And the Primaris intercessors are to be posted tomorrow to join some of you (dear readers) in the US.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/07/31 23:19:35


Post by: Littletower


Lots of goodness to catch up with, will come back with proper comments later, but looking great!

And congrats on the sales!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/01 22:12:54


Post by: Dr H


Lo LT. Good to see you drop in. Ta.

Onwards.
Another tentacle:


And, all around:

That's a rotated sword arm, swapped the backpack (and removed the attached sword), general tidying, drilling the damage, and added tentacle.
Not much more I could do with him really... Should appear different from stock and match the rest of this group.

On to the next...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/01 22:46:54


Post by: Scarper


I love all the tentacles! My headcanon is that they're actually a squad of squid that have been bluffing their way through the SM ranks. Of all the places to hide, a nurgle army is pretty good, right?

In all seriousness I'm very impressed with how well you've integrated all your new mutations into the models - lots of possessed and mutated changes tend to have a 'tacked on' appearance in my view, but yours just seem a part of them. Nice job!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/02 18:20:53


Post by: JoeRugby


Awesome stuff Dr H

Those tentacles are seriously impressive


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/02 19:51:41


Post by: Dr H


Scarper wrote:I love all the tentacles! My headcanon is that they're actually a squad of squid that have been bluffing their way through the SM ranks. Of all the places to hide, a nurgle army is pretty good, right?
Ha. Thanks.

In all seriousness I'm very impressed with how well you've integrated all your new mutations into the models - lots of possessed and mutated changes tend to have a 'tacked on' appearance in my view, but yours just seem a part of them. Nice job!
Yeah, I've seen a lot of chaos (and nurgle in particular) models with blobs of GS pressed on with a few dimples in. They just need a little more effort and thought put in to incorporate the additions into the model; blending it in or creating breaks in the "original" armour.
These are fairly easy in comparison as I'm just adding to what is already there (extending tentacles etc.). There's only a few parts where GW hasn't done a good job with things that should be sprouting through the armour.

Thanks JoeRugby.

Number 5 is alive done...ish.

The usual drilling on holes and adding breaks to armour, and then beating up the horn on his left shoulder, adding the sword and the straps and tentacles to hold it, and giving him the swapped backpack.

I may, when I come to it for the last marine, add "smoke" to the plasmagun to match the thing on his backpack.

The next one will have many more changes, as he's the "body twin" of this one. The left arm and backpack need significant changes as they are identical parts, as are the legs.
Until next time...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/03 21:31:27


Post by: Dr H


And progress on number 6.

Removed a couple of tentacles and spikes (that have remained on the previous chap), removed the mass of horns from his head (that meant it would only fit in one way and couldn't turn),
Moved the sword (cut it into 3 pieces and only used the two ends) from the backpack and placed it on his hip, poking through a (newly created) hole in his cape,
Replaced a dangling nurgle symbol on the backpack exhaust with a tentacle holding a bell,
Added tentacles,


Still a bit more to do; some tidying, drilling the holes, modifying the added tentacles, etc.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/07 15:32:30


Post by: Dr H


Smoke work:
Difficult to really see what's going on with it green, but progress.

Number 5:

Glow-y, smokey plasma smoke...

Number 6 (not a huge change from above, but finished):


Number 7 (in progress):

Having to add to the smoke bit by bit and let it cure, then add more or carve some and add more... slow work.

Much more to do on #7, stay tuned...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/07 16:47:56


Post by: Theophony


Looking good and rotten Dr H.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/07 17:50:38


Post by: inmygravenimage


GSd plague flames are aces.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/07 18:37:38


Post by: Yorkright


Loving the flames, now back to lurking!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/07 19:38:33


Post by: OneManNoodles


I've tried (well .. failed at) flames & smoke a few times and I think you've got the idea, you have to be patient and build up adding a bit at a time. Yeah it's slow, but it pays off.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/08 16:54:56


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Theo, Graven, Yorkright.

Thanks OMN. Yeah, it then doesn't help when one batch of putty doesn't want to stick.

Barring further changes upon priming, the building is done...ish.

Here's number 5 again with the final wisps of smoke on his plasma and his backpack on.

I'm not overly concerned with the smoke not matching the angle/movement of the smoke from the backpack as that from the plasmagun should be hotter and therefore will rise quicker. It will be painted up differently from the other smoke.

And number 7 also has all his smoke:
I've also added a nurgle icon to his gun from one of the others.
And drilled all the damage etc.

Hopefully painting will solve all the chewing-gum looking problems.

There may be a brief interlude while I chop up a Tau suit for my other blog...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/08 19:30:09


Post by: OneManNoodles


The plasmagun vapour wisps look really good.

It wasn't sticking so you used superglue right?

If you are worried about it, give it a wash of some diluted black paint and you can always carve away & re-do part of it, way easier at this stage.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/08 22:55:07


Post by: Dr H


 OneManNoodles wrote:
The plasmagun vapour wisps look really good.
Thanks. Yeah, the pointy end worked out well.

It wasn't sticking so you used superglue right?
Ja, I did get it on with superglue, but then it fell off when I carved into it. Took off what was left of that stage and re-did it.

If you are worried about it, give it a wash of some diluted black paint and you can always carve away & re-do part of it, way easier at this stage.
They'll all get primed at some point soon and then I'll have a look over for anything I want to change before moving on to painting proper.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/11 12:12:57


Post by: Big H


Smoke looks cool, have you considered drilling and fitting a copper wire as an armature for the putty to be built on in one go ?
Worked for me, but either way nice work !


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/12 16:24:16


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Big H.
Yeah, I did use the wire armature for some of the tentacles, but I've found it difficult to sculpt in putty when it's one fresh lump; you poke one bit and the whole thing leans over, wire or not.
Building the shape up like this means you can work on the sculpting without deforming anything else.

But then, as with all my past sculpting efforts, I always end up going back in a carving more details than I managed in sculpting.

We will see how it all turns out once primed.
Which will happen once I've finished modifying a tau suit in my other blog.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/14 14:17:18


Post by: Gitsplitta


Lovely work on the flames Dr H. Very excited to see them get some paint!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/24 20:58:07


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits'.

The time has come...
Primed:


Now to decide on how to progress with whatever colour I'm going to decide to paint them...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/25 09:33:53


Post by: inmygravenimage


I think it would be really interesting to start death guard from an orange base and do the greens over that - pre-rusted.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/25 15:26:31


Post by: Dr H


That is a good thought, Graven. maybe next time (there are more Nurgle models to come), these have been basecoated already...

At the top you can see the 4 pots of paint I've used on these.
As I mentioned at some point, my thought for these was to have them all slightly different shades of "nurgle" (to avoid the word "green") and here you can see the various tones.


They will now get a wash of black to get into the recesses and then some lighter tones on the upper surfaces before I revert to hairy-brush painting.
The aim is to bring them together, but not too much... I will likely be too subtle as is typical of me...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/25 19:01:18


Post by: inmygravenimage


Muted, colour leeched death guard are fine by me


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/26 16:16:58


Post by: Dr H


Graven': That's all fine then, everything's fine...

Y'know how I said about them all converging in colour and that I'll typically be far too subtle with it... Well, it happened...
Getting photos to show their actual colour is a challenge, as evidenced by some not even matching in the front and back photos: the actual colours are somewhere between the two... maybe...














I will continue these as individuals from here onwards, so they may diverge a little more and I may come up with representative photos at some stage too...

Now to spray a crisis suit before converting my desk back to hairy-brush mode.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/26 21:14:00


Post by: inmygravenimage


Have you considered a hairspray later on these bad boys to crackle them up somewhat?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/27 16:32:55


Post by: Yorkright


Great to see all your conversion work in place, I am really looking forward to seeing some paint. What is this hairspray technique?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/28 22:53:03


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Graven'. I hadn't. I've tried hairspray once before (on my War Walker), and I prefer sponge and paint for weathering. These don't really have the space to really make the best of hairspray anyway.

Thanks Yorkright. The Hairspray technique is (briefly) a technique for producing realistic-looking chips and worn paint; where you paint the model in the undercoat / rusty surface first, then cover the model in hairspray.
Once dry, paint over that with a clean paint job.
Once that's dry; in the places you want the paint to be damaged you soak the surface with water (wet cotton bud is fine, don't go dipping it in the sink), then scrub / scratch / lift off with sticky-tape / etc at the paint, it'll come away easier than you may expect.
This is due to the water dissolving the hairspray layer which loosens the paint layers above it, but leaves the first layers of paint untouched.
Similar to the salt method, now I think about it (I've not tried salt myself though) but without any added texture.

Anyway, I've been blocking in the metal areas.
Brass/black on the brass areas (to be covered with verdigris later),
Gunmetal/brown, and brown/red on the rusty metal parts (to be made the full range of rusty colours later).

















The good thing with Nurgle is that you don't actually have to be that neat with your painting, it's all going to be dirty later...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/29 00:44:10


Post by: Yorkright


Thanks for posting about the hairspray technique, not sure I will try it. Telling my wife I am borrowing her spray for painting may bring about eye rolling and a shrugging of shoulders .

Deathguard are looking good, I like how you get them all painted up at once.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/29 01:29:01


Post by: Theophony


I like the subtle color difference you started with, gives them each a little bit of nurgle blessing. You could also try different washes. Do some null oil, some agrax earthshade, some purple, some red and orange, or just tiny spots of color around the armor breaks.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/29 21:36:45


Post by: Dr H


Yorkright wrote: Thanks for posting about the hairspray technique, not sure I will try it. Telling my wife I am borrowing her spray for painting may bring about eye rolling and a shrugging of shoulders .
It's slightly better than getting a funny look from a shop-keeper... (assuming that you don't have luscious locks). Explaining the above to someone that is not in the hobby can be tedious, it's probably best to just say it's for the wife, even if you don't have a wife...

Deathguard are looking good, I like how you get them all painted up at once.
Thanks. Well, while you have the paint in question out (and/or have mixed up a specific colour) you may as well slap it on all the models that require it. They will diverge as painting becomes more specific, I'm still basecoating things.

Thanks Theo'. Yeah, that is the plan. Once I've got them all up to base-coat level I can start doing the more interesting things to make them more unique... subtly...

No words without pictures (if I can help it):
Blocking in more areas...









Slowly getting there, bit by bit, Soon the fun can begin and I can start on some details and weathering.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/29 21:38:01


Post by: Klaus, not Santa


This is coming along nicely!
I look forward to see this baby finished


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/30 12:57:20


Post by: Gitsplitta


Just love that combination of colors!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/30 21:21:15


Post by: Dr H


Hi Klaus, Thanks. These should start to accelerate from now on as the base-coating is done (although I keep finding details I've missed; like skulls or tentacles...).

Thanks Gits'. There's a few more colours to add in, but only as spots, and then it'll all be tied together with dirt, rust and pus...

As I was taking photos to have a good close look at what I've done today, I may as well show you lot.

Working sensibly, I've started with the "inner-most" items; those in the deepest of recesses. Eyes/lenses (gone for red) and hoses/armour joins (gone for black).
I've also done some black-lining / shading and finished blocking in all the areas.









Back to it...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/30 22:59:33


Post by: Scarper


Looking great, I love the colour combos. And wow, you work fast as well. Do you enjoy batch painting?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/31 20:04:17


Post by: Dr H


 Scarper wrote:
Looking great, I love the colour combos. And wow, you work fast as well.
Thanks. To me they seem to be taking a lot of time. I do have all day, every day to work on them (instead of looking for a "real" job ), so it may seem like I get a lot done on a day to day basis, but I don't really.

Do you enjoy batch painting?
"Enjoy" is such a strong word... I think my personal army blog shows my true feelings for regimented, uniformed armies...

It is useful though; when they are all going to be painted the same colours it saves time to do them all at the same time, it saves on paint wastage (I always mix too much up for a single model), and it's more time efficient for paint drying times. For making money, these are all more important than "enjoying" it. But if I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it.

The hoses have been finished up with the outer covers painted in yellow (to contrast with the black, ribbed inner parts). I went for a dull, dirty yellow... of course.
And I've highlighted the armour.








Next, I think I'm going to do the fleshy parts and tentacles, before weathering the armour (chips and scratches)...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/08/31 20:19:51


Post by: inmygravenimage


Very nice/nasty, the red eyes have arachnid qualities that really work.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/01 17:21:33


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Graven'. Blank, red eyes are great for the "I'm going to kill you in a particularly nasty way" look.

Progress on the fleshy parts. Not done; there are some blue and/or green washes I'd like to do, try and get a mottled look, but this is a start to "unhealthy flesh".


Still got to finish the blend into the purple as well as the washes.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/01 17:42:36


Post by: Yorkright


Man those tentacles are so disgustingly good makes me want to redo my Deathguard. Looking good Dr. H, thanks for sharing.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/02 05:23:15


Post by: inmygravenimage


^ Agreed. Pustules are particularly good rust is starting to look excellent also.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/02 07:51:38


Post by: Camkierhi


Truly gross in just the right way. They are looking fantastic bud, think I am going to have a go soon so will be stealing much from your inspirational work.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/02 08:00:31


Post by: cormadepanda


Excellent nurgle. Looks nice and nasty, and the armor color is nice and muted.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/03 21:33:56


Post by: JoeRugby


Their coming along awesomely Doc.

might steal some ideas for mine


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/04 20:08:45


Post by: Big H


Cool looking marines Doc !


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/06 14:33:06


Post by: Dr H


No major progress in the past few days, busy with other things. Still, skin is done below...

But first:
Thanks Yorkright, hopefully even more disgusting now.

Thanks Graven'. I noticed that with the rust too, I've not done anything to it, that's still the basecoat... although they are Nurgle, maybe they continue to rust by themselves.

Thanks Cam'. Nurgle will suit your painting style (yes you do have a style, shut up about not being a painter ) really well.

Thanks Comrade'.

Thanks Joe'. Steal away, this is why I share.

Thanks Big H.

Skin has had patchy blue and green washes; both pale, not light tones.
Re-highlighted in places.
And some veins added.
And the tentacles have been blended back into the flesh. (suction cups not done yet)
That should be the fleshy bits done (although some tongues may get a bit of red at some point).


I think it's armour weathering next...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/06 21:32:28


Post by: Theophony


They look downright mean, and the flesh colors are brilliant.

I'm currently blessed by Nurgle with a cold and very thankful that I don't have tentacles like these guys.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/09 22:28:11


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Theo'. All hail the Plaguefather. May you get well soon pass it on to as many people as possible.
Tentacles are great, tentacles are fun, tentacles for everyone. Where's Monkeytroll when you need him, he knew what was what when it came to tentacles.

Speaking of tentacles, I'm now looking at you all through a wire. I got fed up of inconsistent wifi signal and bought a 15m Cat6 cable to run all the way to the router. Only needed to enlarge two holes that already have wires through.

Rusty progress.
And all but #2 now have their backpacks on.















Cloth and wood parts next, before I can add streaks and stains.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/09 23:26:40


Post by: Littletower


Very (un)nice! Really looking the part!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/09 23:32:10


Post by: Theophony


Dr. H is now wired, we always knew he was wierd . These guys are coming along great. Will you be using an oil stain or just regular GW washes?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/10 12:54:56


Post by: Gitsplitta


Man those are looking good Dr. H! Keep up the fantastic work!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/12 21:57:22


Post by: Dr H


Thanks LT. They are looking "worse" every day.

Thank you Theo'. Thanks.
No GW on these, I still use Humbrol. A wash for me is just diluted paint, which as I use white spirit is effectively an oil wash.

Thanks Gits'.

Leathers, cloths and woods done...ish (I've seen a few bits that need some work in the photos):
I have again attempted to paint texture on the cloth, may give it a bit more on the extreme highlights.



Also gave this chap a red inside to his cloak as he is the squad leader.




It's tricky to get the right angles for the photos to show what's been done with some of these models.








I think it's horns, skulls and teeth next...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/12 23:52:41


Post by: Littletower


Indeed they are.

All looks good, and the blending in of the tentacles came out great, but still it is the corrosion what I like best, a real tetanus posterboy!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/13 02:08:11


Post by: Yorkright


The rust effects are very cool, how did you achieve them? Cloak turned out very grimy on the champion and the plasma marine.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/13 23:27:42


Post by: Dr H


Thanks again LT. Ja, and the rust is the easiest part.

Thanks York'.
The rust is easy, but multi-stage (can't quickly give you translations to GW colours as I think in colours not names, at the most I can give Humbrol numbers, see below):
First, basecoat in a red-brown (you can see it in earlier pictures),
Then a black wash to deepen the recesses and shade details etc.
Then mix some more red-brown with a little more red in... AND add some fine grit to the paint (I use finely crushed dried paint, but fine sand or similar will do), use this to add texture to the surfaces/corners,
Highlight the texture with orange, and maybe a few blobs here and there,
Add a red wash to certain areas (not all over) and/or some brown to tone down the orange if you got carried away at that stage,
Then a blue-purple wash in other areas,
For these two washes don't be afraid to splash it about and rub some off with your finger, it's all about giving an uneven colour across the whole piece.
Maybe some more orange highlights if you like, keep them small.

Then, usually I will do some dry-brushing of gunmetal and silver to show the rust being worn off the metal, but I'm not doing that for these as they are all about the rust and decay.

For a more in-depth tutorial about rust have a look at my Sprue-hut tutorial. There is a whole section about painting the rusty roof with paint colours, numbers and GW translations.
==>https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/545398.page#5935106 Still the most exalted tutorial on DDakka.


Yorkright wrote: ... Cloak turned out very grimy on the champion and the plasma marine.
Yeah, I wanted the cloth to look rough and dirty. Thanks.

Horns done, teeth done, skulls mostly done:
Some of the shading on the white on bone doesn't show up well in the photos, I've done my best to adjust them.














Next to do is the rotting flesh on the various plague grenades (and other hanging heads),
Then brass bits,
Then smoke,
Then anything I've forgotten,
Then bases...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/14 16:59:12


Post by: Yorkright


Thanks for the tips Doc, I just finished putting together the lord of contagion I may try some of those rust techniques with him.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/14 19:34:15


Post by: Theophony


My favorites are still the grenade thrower (1st guy) and the plasma dude with the one eye. His pic really showed that eyeball off this time .


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/14 19:42:19


Post by: OneManNoodles


Coming along really nicely Doc colours look suitably disgusting.

Nice blending on the horns too.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/14 21:38:55


Post by: Dr H


No prob' York'.
Rust, like wood, can have much more variation in colour/tone than you might expect without REALLY looking at it.
Ask someone that hasn't had cause to study rust, what's the colour of rust? and they will generally tend to a single colour: red-brown, or orange, etc...
But pull up a Google for rust and look closely at the specific colours involved and you will see reds, browns, orange, yellow, blue, purple, black (even other colours if more materials are involved)... sometimes all on the same piece.

Patchiness and unevenness in the finish is something you want for rust (and wood; see the Hut tutorial), unlike how you might normally paint a model; which is usually all about a smooth even finish that you may then go on to weather.
It's very forgiving, just keep poking and splashing paint on it until it looks right.

Thanks Theo'. I do like number 5 myself (plasma), just something about that blank stare of the one eye.
Getting the right angle for photos of these is really challenging. The final photoshoot is going to be a pain.

Thanks OMN. Good of you to say about the horns, from some angles it looks like I've just dry-brushed black on the tips, but they are all carefully blended from bone through brown to black. They will get a satin varnish at the end though, that'll make them look nicer.

No updates without photos...
Progress on the grenades and various skulls/heads:
I say "progress" as I'm not entirely happy with a couple of them, need a bit more "green-ness"... maybe. Going to see how I feel about them tomorrow.


Onwards...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/14 22:31:57


Post by: Ruglud


Not really into Chaosy minis, but that rust effect is...erm, amazingly rusty... good job


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/14 22:50:25


Post by: Littletower


...REALLY looking at it (rust)...

Staring at rust? You need a Dr. Or a hobby. Ahh, OK, you are one, and got the other. OK then, forget what I said...



Looking greater yet!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/16 23:05:06


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Ruglud. I've also not been much of a fan of GW's chaos aesthetic of spikes and skulls (although they put skulls on pretty much all of their mini's), as well as the quite regimented armies; to me, neatly lined up troops do not say "chaos".
But these nurgle mini's (together with my additions) are pretty close to how I see the forces of chaos, in a more mainstream way... you've seen what I really believe a chaos force should look like in my personal (mad) army blog.
Superficially the same as non-chaos, but actually corrupted and deformed. Not just with added spikes.
I certainly prefer these models to those of Dark Vengeance. The details on these seem to have meaning, whereas the DV mini's were just covered in meaningless spiky details that just made them busy/fussy looking models.
However, I've not come to the bigger / leader mini's yet, I may still change my tune...

But a good opportunity for lots of rust, and that's always a good thing.

Thank you LT
I am trained to study things closely, and have always had that mindset.
I saw a programme once that was about artists, and compared them to non-artists. One point they made was that when a non-artist looks up at the sky (a clear blue sky) they see it as just blue; a single blue colour from one horizon to the other. An artist will admire the range in blue shades, and that is why that when they paint a blue sky and spend hours blending shades of blue, it looks like the sky and not a blue area.
They went into more detail in the programme, but they did point out that this can be learnt.

And thinking like that will really help with painting your models. This is why we blend, highlight, shade, dry-brush and weather our models.

Thanks.

I added more greenness to the heads and I've verdigris-ed the brass (like the rusty metal, it's more verdigris than brass):














Ta.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/18 22:41:26


Post by: Dr H


Tentacle cups and smoky bits...
Finally remembered to paint the tentacle cups that I added to the two of them.
And I've painted up the smoke for the three that have some, gone for dirty black smoke.
And I've attached the fly to the squad leader / champion; he calls it "Polly". (and just in time for talk-like-a-pirate-day)



Plasma glow / smoke and slimy bits to do, and I'll probably start on the bases tomorrow too.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/18 23:17:15


Post by: nerdfest09


It has been a little while since I dropped in and i'm glad it's taken me so long! it meant I had more to look at and admire! I haven't been overly fond of the newer GW models but the Nurgle stuff has for the most part interested me quite a bit, and to see it done so well is amazingly cool! the rust as already said is brilliant and gives them a real corroded aspect they need, it would be a great technique to use on the entirety of a model with some 'brushed off to silver' as a highlight of sorts? but to juxtapose the dry heavy rust have some rents in the armour leaking a fluid of some colour (or colours)

each and every one you've done so far is a small work of wonder and I am waiting to see more done soon! bloody good job dude!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/19 04:22:40


Post by: Camkierhi


Yup agree, these are above and beyond, really amazing work.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/19 06:42:34


Post by: inmygravenimage


Really nasty. Really lovely. Can I suggest lime green, rather than purple, for plasma glow?


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/19 07:27:25


Post by: shasolenzabi


Very nice rust effects, just need oozing puss to totally complete the nastiness


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/19 23:16:12


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Nerdy. Great to hear. Yeah the sculpts are not bad, as mentioned earlier.

A fully rusty model is a cool idea. I'll have to file that away for the future.

Thanks Cam'.

Thanks Graven'.
You can suggest anything you like... (nah, I do like to receive suggestions)
Can't do bright green as the planned goo is to be a bright green/yellow, and I think the plasma should be distinct from that to avoid confusion.
Why "rather than purple", is that the typical Nurgle plasma colour?
For plasma I typically do blue, as I like blue and it also fits with how I see superheated plasma from a science perspective (the hotter stars get the bluer they get and stars are big balls of plasma).
and, well... see below.

Thanks Shas'. Yes, puss and goo to be added as the final step (as it runs over everything else).

As I said, plasma... to me... is blue.
This also helps to make the plasma gunner stand out on the tabletop as the blue contrasts with the green/brown of the whole squad.
And however hard you might try, you can't make plasma "dirty", and this is shown nicely with the clean, bright blue.

The flame has been painted as flame, just using blues instead of reds/orange/yellow. Hot on the inside, almost smoky on the outside.


Bases are underway, and goo to follow...


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/20 03:34:39


Post by: Gitsplitta


Stellar job on the plasma and flames.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/20 06:10:25


Post by: inmygravenimage


Blue is good. I just have purple in my head as a contrasting colour I guess.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/20 11:04:27


Post by: Theophony


Great job with the blue glow effect, very energetic.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/20 16:17:26


Post by: enDo40k


Love the plasma gun and effect! Well done!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/21 15:30:41


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits'.

Thanks Graven'. Fair enough, green and purple is a good combination. Hadn't thought about it, it was always going to be blue for me...
When it comes to things like this, plasma, purity seals, etc. I always have a set colour that they are and I don't consider how they would match the rest of the colour scheme.
They are kind of constant. You get to choose what colour your armour is, maybe even your gun and your favourite hat. But plasma is plasma, purity seals are always made with the same wax, mud is always brown... except when it isn't (red mars, for example)...
If they clash, they clash, it's more "real world" to me that way; a little less perfect.

Thanks Theo'.

Thanks enDo40k.

Big bags of grass... are what I've been playing with today.
These chaps are very near finished, so no full shots, just sneak peeks to show the method.

I started the bases with a layer of water-filter charcoal,
I then added a sprinkle of crushed dried-paint to break up the uniform structure of the charcoal and add a few "rocks",
That was then painted as muddy rocks: Brown, dry-brush light brown, d-b' sand, d-b' light grey. (see first picture below),
Then, starting in the photos below, I added a line of glue (with added brown craft paint) and sprinkled on the "dead" static grass using an empty washing-up liquid bottle as an applicator,
Then, added more glue around this line and added the "summer" static grass.
Done.



The difference between the dead and summer (the brightest of the 4 bags I bought) is not so stark on the models as I'd hoped.
Once the glue has dried, I'll have a look and see if I can do something to deaden (dead-ify) it some more and then paint the base edges black and they're done.

Proper photos soon...ish.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/21 18:07:19


Post by: Meph


Oh man, awesome stuff in here. I'm loving the matte and dusty look on those DG.

Some weathering powders on the bases can go a long way to make it look more lifeless and dusty.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/21 19:47:51


Post by: Yorkright


Bases look good, just throwing this out there make the grass around their feet look like its dying or withering away. It looks a little to healthy if the death guard where tromping about.

Looking forward to some proper photos.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/22 15:29:29


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Gits', and I got it to work in the end.

Thanks Meph. They're not all matt, there are a few glossy and satin finishes to certain parts... for added "eww!"
If I had weathering powders, I may have tried them. But some brushing over it seems to have worked fine.

Thanks York'. Yes, that was the idea. This is why I added the grass in two steps.

The "dead" grass now looks distinct as I brushed over it with some brown and then "bone" paint. This may have also removed some of the "summer" grass that might have stuck to the "dead" grass when that was sprinkled on (and therefore making it more green). Whatever it was, the grass now looks like I intended; dying around the marine's feet and leaving bare, dead earth behind.

Somewhere close to 70 photos later, the final show is ready (I went through the photos so you don't have to see all 70)...

The squad:


#1; the grenade guy.
Mostly minor changes; fixes to casting limitations (something done to pretty much all of them, as was adding / improving the damage to their armour), added a 3rd "eye", some smoke for his grenade, and changing the metal tabard for part cloth.

One thing my mum said while I was showing her the grass was "is that a cigarette butt under his foot?"
If you look under his rear foot, there is something that looks just like a butt. Not intended, but it just goes to show how disgusting these guys are; not only are they filthy, disease-ridden, plague carriers, they also smoke and litter with reckless abandon.

#2; the champion.
Quite a few changes; the fly was moved from attached to a horn to sitting on his shoulder, the things dangling from his hood were removed and many tentacles added, and his arm was reposed.


#3; "there goes the hernia" guy.
Repositioned the gun arm to be aiming, changed the tentacle / tongue from the belly to spilling flesh and removed the teeth from the armour break, changed the smiling face on the left shoulder to a skull, and added some tentacles.


#4; bell guy.
Reposed the sword arm, added a tentacle and swapped backpack to make him less bell orientated.


#5; plasma guy.
Added plasma flame, swapped backpack, moved sword, and added tentacles.


#6; Spiky dave.
Changed tongue from shoulder pad mouth, changed tentacle on left leg, added tentacle with bell to backpack, moved sword to stick through (new) hole in cloak, and changed horns on helmet for spikes.


#7; Smokey pete.
Moved a few minor things, and added smoke.


And there you go. My first nurgle miniatures ever, with my first use of static grass.
The second set of models from the Dark Imperium set, there'll be something primaris next time.
Let me know what you think, zoom in on the photos, and vote on them (it doesn't take long to click on 10 and 10).

I'll have these up in my Etsy shop soon, so dust off your wallets.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/22 16:18:52


Post by: Theophony


Nice job with the dying grass about their ....feet? Hooves? Appendages . They have turned out great


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/22 18:06:04


Post by: Yorkright


They look great Dr H, the bases are exceptional with the bright vibrant grass contrasting with the dead and dying vegetation behind the DG.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/23 03:53:06


Post by: Gitsplitta


The figures are stunning... but those bases really send them out of this world! Congratulations... excellent work!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/23 16:48:04


Post by: Dr H


Thanks Theo'. One of them, Grenade guy, certainly has a hoof. The other's have kept whatever they have inside their boots (which have a distinct hoof-like look).

Thanks York'. Glad it comes across.

Thanks Gits'. Yeah, it just helps to sell the very nature of "plague marines".

And they are now up in my Etsy shop:
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/559980071/death-guard-plague-marine-squad-unique?ref=shop_home_active_1

With the added effort in the conversion and basing of these, I feel it's time to push for a bit more of what I'm owed for my time.
The price seems eye-watering to me, and I'm selling them... but time is money and these took over 38 hours...
So, open up those wallets and fight off the moths.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/23 21:29:03


Post by: inmygravenimage


Spiky Dave rules! Love them. Charge what you would bro. Lots of work there.


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/26 15:45:07


Post by: shasolenzabi


Awesome work! Those guys look like if you pick them up they will give you some form of disease, and add Tetanus with all that rust!


The (Mini) Details of Dr H: Now Building: Statue side project / Now Painting: none. @ 2017/09/26 17:32:19


Post by: Red Harvest


Well, I'm thoroughly revolted...

... iin the best possible way