Side note, can it would be nice to see TT draw from something OTHER than Japanese mythology. The three kingdoms are actually Japan, China and Vietnam, not that you'd know from their offerings...
Side note, can it would be nice to see TT draw from something OTHER than Japanese mythology. The three kingdoms are actually Japan, China and Vietnam, not that you'd know from their offerings...
Side note, can it would be nice to see TT draw from something OTHER than Japanese mythology. The three kingdoms are actually Japan, China and Vietnam, not that you'd know from their offerings...
Like the Aussie in Rising Sun?
Not really... there's a good number of outside images and sources for this one.
.Mikes. wrote: Oh, right. In that case I think it's your home and your first born.
Nathan said they wouldn't be charging 'an arm and a leg for it. Maybe a finger and a toe' (his wording). Though they are aware of what they're in competition with - the Realm of Battle Board and Secret Weapon Tablescapes. It's a luxury item in a hobby, so it's going to be a bit pricey.
My guess is the tiles will be roughly on par with Secret Weapon (theirs are $80 for 2x2 or $200 for 4x4, so somewhere in there, maybe $200 since the tiles are a lot chunkier). Buildings, I'm guessing the big one will be by itself with about crew box pricing (about $50us). The smaller modular buildings will be a 2 pack (they said these are modular, so giving enough parts to make 2 singles, a two story, etc). Probably crew box pricing again, maybe higher end Encounter box ($50-$70us, depending on how much is in it - they mentioned alternate roofing).
Wyrd has this as their banner on Facebook. It appears to be the Ten Thunders half, minus the Wanyudo (we already know the Wanyudo is the flaming wheel).
I get the feel they're going for with the grave golem, but there's a couple of others on the market already that significantly outshine what they've shown. (Reaper's latest round of Bones and Spinespur's Grave Golem, whenever Rebel Minis brings it back)
ImAGeek wrote: I like the grave golem, even though it doesn’t have much texture on the muddy bit (but I find that with a few of the Wyrd plastics).
Wyrd's stuff is often a lot more textureless than I expect. Posing is great, but a lot of stuff is pretty flat and in need of a superior painter to bring it to life.
ImAGeek wrote: I like the grave golem, even though it doesn’t have much texture on the muddy bit (but I find that with a few of the Wyrd plastics).
Wyrd's stuff is often a lot more textureless than I expect. Posing is great, but a lot of stuff is pretty flat and in need of a superior painter to bring it to life.
Agreed, their stuff has really suffered in general since the move to 3d sculpting and plastic. No scales, cloth texture, etc. But at least a goblin mullet will be in 3 pieces lol.
The grave golem is a weak, bland sculpt. Reaper's bones one looks better, and that's BONES man...
I'll end up getting that boxed set just because the other models look really cool, especially the 10T ones.
Wyrd's larger models have always been more miss than hit for me. I've had to find proxies for the Rail Golem, Arcane Emissary, Ashes&Dust, Blessed of December, and Envy because I absolutely loathe those models. Thankfully their smaller human-sized models have almost always been great.
I'm sure I'll get the box also, but if the grave golem is anything like the image before I think I'll get the Reaper one and sell the original.....unless I can find a suitably large Weeping Angel mini.
The Katashiro are origami creations, and are both Construct (drop scrap) and Oni (more fun for Asami). Minako Rei can also summon them, and she herself has a defensive Kharma ability that makes an opponent suffer the same damage she suffers.
EDITED. Not familiar with TOS; looked unfamiliar to me with regards to Malifaux.
Also the site noted two of the Giraldez painted figures were from TOS.
-Loki- wrote: Second last under Malifaux is an old model - Hannah from the TTB Kickstarter.
It's interesting to note that Kickstarter Hannah is being showcased at GAMA. Perhaps we'll finally have her available as an alt sculpt along the lines of Nekima and such. No more need for Hulk-Smash Hannah?
The Wyrdscapes terrain looks like it has a lot of unnecessary interior plastic parts. Textures are fine, but I worry for the cost.
But why are they showcasing Hannah when it's clearly no longer available? It's not like they're bringing a studio model or anything because she's missing her book and there's a lot of ugly plastic shards all over the place. Someone seems to have hurriedly constructed this model and lost the book.
I wonder how closely this new plastic terrain matches the old Warhammer Fantasy chapel/tower terrain? I'd love to see how well this works for a Mordheim table.
Wow, the terrain is gorgeous...but I also feel like I'm looking at a minimum of a $1000.00 for that board and those buildings, and part of me thinks I might even be a little naive.
-Loki- wrote: They said during the Kickstarter that the sculpt t was exclusive to the Kickstarter. I don’t see them going back on it.
They generally take a grab bag of random unpainted models anyway.
Given the gak show that the KS was, and how it let so many down, I don't see what one more broken promise is lol. The existing Hanna model sucks. They can re-release the KS one in colored plastic if they want to skirt the issue.
The newer the kits are, the larger. A lot of the first couple waves of plastic are much thinner and smaller than most of their line.
Also, if you're trying to match something to another game, their kneeling or otherwise not standing models tend to be vastly oversized: there's at least a couple that are probably in the 40-45mm range when others in the same unit type are around 30.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I'm surprised those Easter models are going to be in metal. That seems like a step backwards.
I'd have preferred plastic, or maybe even the board game PVC they keep toying with.
Why metal? And they aren't exactly cheap for what they're asking!
Nathan answered this on the Wyrd forum.
Because I like getting my toes dipped back in the early days to play around.
Because I could.
Because I was curious again about metal and some other things I'm messing with.
And because even more bluntly, I've got my plastic people up to their eyeballs between finishing up TOS, continuing with Malifaux, knocking out the new Wyrdscape - and I don't need to add on top of it at the moment.
It was a bit nostalgic to go through the process of cuts and having metal in hand again - and the damn slivers of little metal everywhere.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I'm surprised those Easter models are going to be in metal. That seems like a step backwards.
I'd have preferred plastic, or maybe even the board game PVC they keep toying with.
Why metal? And they aren't exactly cheap for what they're asking!
Still want that new Lazarus despite all that...and yeah, I'm annoyed the Viks don't have any guns between them.
Well, metal molds are cheaper, and can handle undercuts better. Not that we see any discount from the cheaper mold... or an increase in texture or detail to take advantage of the material.
Hopefully they wont be needlessly complex in assembling at least.
The resin they used for the Festivus tree would have been great. The PVC is roughly on par w early seasons of zombicide, so would have been a step down from all choices.
Tempted by the Viks + quasi-release of proper Lazarus. Need to figure out what else to flesh that gang out with. Luckily have a week to figure out what to spend $65 on for ready-for-bunnification Outcasts ...
Related: Anything Outcast that makes sense for my War Wabbit? Kill Joy?? Deso Engine???
Boss Salvage wrote: Tempted by the Viks + quasi-release of proper Lazarus. Need to figure out what else to flesh that gang out with. Luckily have a week to figure out what to spend $65 on for ready-for-bunnification Outcasts ...
Related: Anything Outcast that makes sense for my War Wabbit? Kill Joy?? Deso Engine???
- Salvage
I'm not sure how much effort it would take, but Marlena Webster is awesome with the Viks and could probably be mounted on the wabbit.
Yeah the Viks are very spendy, but then again, your opponent generally only gets to play with about 30 SS after the first turn, so I guess it balances out.
Well, it makes sense. From the PVC side, they're busy finishing up The Other Side. That's going to be eating a lot of their time with whomever is doing that for them. On the HIPS side, which is done by Warlord, they're doing the Wyrdscapes and all of the new Malifaux releases, plus whatever other little projects he's got going on (The Undying and Backdraft came out of nowhere).
Warlord do this for a lot of other companies, plus their own products, so they likely told Wyrd they just don't have the capacity, and pushing them through as PVC would cause more delays on The Other Sides fulfillment.
They might also be looking into resin. Their current style isn’t suited to resin at all so it would help to have some metal sculpts to convert instead.
They're always playing around with things. They did resin last Black Friday, when they did the Rasputina Christmas crew. Rasputinas PVC mold collapsed and they decided to redo the mold for resin. Also as an apology for the delay included another resin model, the Christmas Tree Ice Golem.
That they didn't go back to resin for this I think tells you how they felt about resin, at least for the time being.
Boss Salvage wrote: Also discovered you can just flatout buy Alt Laz for $100
Pretty sure that's Nathan feeling clever but acting snarky, over previous complaints that there were some very high (IIRC once $250) thresholds to get the promo model in a given sale, and people wanted to just buy them.
As soon as you have $100 worth of stuff in your cart, it will automatically add Lazarus to the cart. You don't have to do anything but its very clear that he's in your order.
I assume the $100 price tag is just a way to facilitate this in the shop software. He's added to your order as an item you purchased, so he has to be something that can be added to your cart normally I'd assume. It's just that when you've got $100 of other stuff, you get a $100 discount on him.
LunarSol wrote: As soon as you have $100 worth of stuff in your cart, it will automatically add Lazarus to the cart. You don't have to do anything but its very clear that he's in your order.
I assume the $100 price tag is just a way to facilitate this in the shop software. He's added to your order as an item you purchased, so he has to be something that can be added to your cart normally I'd assume. It's just that when you've got $100 of other stuff, you get a $100 discount on him.
Hmm it didnt add him into my cart.
already checked out and my email confirmation also doesn't have him what gives?
LunarSol wrote: As soon as you have $100 worth of stuff in your cart, it will automatically add Lazarus to the cart. You don't have to do anything but its very clear that he's in your order.
I assume the $100 price tag is just a way to facilitate this in the shop software. He's added to your order as an item you purchased, so he has to be something that can be added to your cart normally I'd assume. It's just that when you've got $100 of other stuff, you get a $100 discount on him.
Hmm it didnt add him into my cart.
already checked out and my email confirmation also doesn't have him what gives?
I have no idea. Contact Wyrd (you can generally even just PM someone on the forums) and ask them what's up. My Order definitely says:
Alt Lazarus - (100% off) for $0.00
Did you have $100 worth of things in the order before shipping?
LunarSol wrote: As soon as you have $100 worth of stuff in your cart, it will automatically add Lazarus to the cart. You don't have to do anything but its very clear that he's in your order.
I assume the $100 price tag is just a way to facilitate this in the shop software. He's added to your order as an item you purchased, so he has to be something that can be added to your cart normally I'd assume. It's just that when you've got $100 of other stuff, you get a $100 discount on him.
Hmm it didnt add him into my cart.
already checked out and my email confirmation also doesn't have him what gives?
I have no idea. Contact Wyrd (you can generally even just PM someone on the forums) and ask them what's up. My Order definitely says:
Alt Lazarus - (100% off) for $0.00
Did you have $100 worth of things in the order before shipping?
Strange. I have heard of similar problems in the past though, but its pretty much always worked out. They're pretty good about making sure they throw the promos in anything that qualifies whether its on the order or not. They'll generally even throw in 2 if you get to $200 or whatever. Still probably a good idea to send an email now though.
.Mikes. wrote: Did the two player set get released? I've been out of the loop for A while.
No they were both delayed. Backdraft (gremlins vs arcanists) is out in June, and the Undying (ten thunders vs ressurectionists) is out in July, according to the Wyrd site.
Are you at Origins Game Fair? Then stop by the Wyrd Booth in Gaming Hall C Booth 405 and be the first to pick up the awesome Wyrdscapes terrain and Asian Ruins bases!
Wyrd Games Very limited quantities, these got flown in on prototype packages (which will change up a bit). Running between $50-$65 a box at the moment.
Curious how painfully expensive these are, given Wyrd charges like $10 for a single 50mm base. The boxes look really big for some HIPS sprues... are they assembled?
JohnHwangDD wrote: Do you know if Wyrd will be doing more economical tabletop-in-a-box or battlefield-in-a-box bundles?
it was asked and ignored in the facebook thread, but they did seem to imply these prices were lower than eventual retail so who knows which would lead me to guess probably not
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Bossk_Hogg wrote: The boxes look really big for some HIPS sprues... are they assembled?
I hadn't actually registered that, but I wonder if you're right as those boxes do look really, really big for just sprue (it would certainly differentiate them from all the flat pack MDF terrain, and be a real shame at the same time)
JohnHwangDD wrote: Do you know if Wyrd will be doing more economical tabletop-in-a-box or battlefield-in-a-box bundles?
it was asked and ignored in the facebook thread, but they did seem to imply these prices were lower than eventual retail so who knows which would lead me to guess probably not
(If you don't have little girls L to R we have Rainbow Dash, Fluttershy, Applejack, Twilight Sparkle, Rarity and Pinky Pie from My Little Pony, though one assumes you can paint them any color you choose)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Other than the general 'Running between $50-$65 a box at the moment. ' from Wyrd on facebook pre-show I've not seen anything from anybody
(but then I've seen very little origins stuff full stop, maybe it's a show for those who don't use social media?)
If those are large enough, those aren't too bad of prices... I guess.
After seeing the Gen Con releases, it seems I'll be making my yearly Wyrd purchase the beginning of August. Too many interesting kits listed to pass up, plus all the alts and nightmare goodies.
Orlando has a post on page 53 with the boxes that shows the contents. The store, solariuim and haunted spires are all 2 story buildings, look to be about a 6-8 inch footprint. The bigger buildings will end up being about $40 at Gamenerdz or some of the cheaper online places. I'd say they look a lot better than say, the Pegasus Gothic Buildings, so the 50% price jump is appropriate. Definite buys at release I think.
The barriers/stairs strike me as rather overpriced for what they are though. I can get some scatter plank fences just about anywhere Wyrd...
The detailed interiors are nice, but I question their practicality in game. Malifaux doesnt have great rules for getting in/out of buildings, so going against incorporeal units seems likely to be a real negative play experience. I'd probably also play with the roofs off, otherwise I know I'll forget about a random scheme runner camping out in them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So pre-orders for The Other Side are up... with prices for the add-ons being a fair chunk less that what KS backers paid. The worst offenders are the Immolated Rhino and Devouring Eel, which were $50 paid add-ons in the campaign, and are now available for $17.50. If I'd paid 3x as much 2 years ago, I would be PISSED!
There were a ton of price drops in the backerkit, those 2 examples you listed were the biggest examples. Backers didn't get ripped off, the prices have just changed in the year and a half since kickstarter launch (and that happened in mid May in the backerkit)
Rygnan wrote: There were a ton of price drops in the backerkit, those 2 examples you listed were the biggest examples. Backers didn't get ripped off, the prices have just changed in the year and a half since kickstarter launch (and that happened in mid May in the backerkit)
Oh, good to hear! I didn't even bother checking the add-ons in the actual backerkit since they looked like they would be cheaper at release (or the game would die from being grossly overpriced).
Well, at least we'll be able to pick up the current range cheap in about a month or two lol.
I wonder if they're going to redo all their boxes as pre-assembled PVC like The Other Side. Their old kits had to be a barrier to people playing, given how unnecessarily fiddly they were.
Not a fan of Collodi getting the ax (or really removing any of the old masters).
Gah! I haven't even had a chance to play with Seamus, and now I have to, at a minimum, get new cards for everyone!
Not crazy about them killing masters off either if that is what they've actually done. Was planning to pick up Nicodem at some point. This is why settings are preferable to stories when it comes to games- a setting isn't going to kill off your minis.
At any rate, I hope this is a case of a new edition for the right reasons, that leads to an even better/deeper game, (and my LGS finally carrying it) and not change for the sake of change and selling new kits, like certain other companies are fond of doing....
JohnHwangDD wrote: I think it's good that Malifaux is going to 3rd Edition - hopefully the can take a page from GW and simplify, simplify
Good heavens, I hope not! The depth and complexity are what make Malifaux interesting! Besides, the I-don't-want-to-think-while-I'm-playing-crowd is well taken care of, between GW and many boardgames/videogames. Leave Malifaux nice and crunchy, please.
The barrier to entry for Malifaux is immense. Not only do you need to know what all your models do, but you need to know your triggers, and you need to know your opponent's triggers. I've had difficulty getting new players into the game due to the complexity.
Don't get me wrong, I love weirdness and overcomplication. My favorite masters have always been Collette, Mai Trin, and Kaeris even when they've been non-meta. But whenever I see a newcomer or post on the internet mention that Leviticus looks like a cool master to start up new, my heart skips a beat.
I'm very much in favor of an Infinity-like "Starter" set of rules where much of the complexity is omitted and people can just play
Plus, most tournaments tend to eschew to modify the infinite-sideboard system that Malifaux innately has. Casual Malifaux gives heavy favoritism towards people with the biggest collection.
Making the game friendlier for newcomers would be a great thing. Doing that while maintaining complexity for veterans is the challange.
Well one of my three masters is missing from that, not a good sign. I haven't played much of the game for a while, but I always love pickng up a random mini from this range and painting it.
I'll wait and see how this turns out.
JohnHwangDD wrote: I think it's good that Malifaux is going to 3rd Edition - hopefully the can take a page from GW and simplify, simplify
Good heavens, I hope not! The depth and complexity are what make Malifaux interesting! Besides, the I-don't-want-to-think-while-I'm-playing-crowd is well taken care of, between GW and many boardgames/videogames. Leave Malifaux nice and crunchy, please.
It is laughable that you are so naive to conflate complexity with depth. The rules of Chess fit on a single idea of paper, and Go is even simpler, but both are deep. Complex rules don't enhance gameplay in the least. All they do is create a knowledge barrier that makes it hard for new players to get in. If you were actually good at playing, then you wouldn't need the crutch of artificial complexity to keep new competition out of your game.
JohnHwangDD wrote: I think it's good that Malifaux is going to 3rd Edition - hopefully the can take a page from GW and simplify, simplify
Good heavens, I hope not! The depth and complexity are what make Malifaux interesting! Besides, the I-don't-want-to-think-while-I'm-playing-crowd is well taken care of, between GW and many boardgames/videogames. Leave Malifaux nice and crunchy, please.
It is laughable that you are so naive to conflate complexity with depth. The rules of Chess fit on a single idea of paper, and Go is even simpler, but both are deep. Complex rules don't enhance gameplay in the least. All they do is create a knowledge barrier that makes it hard for new players to get in. If you were actually good at playing, then you wouldn't need the crutch of artificial complexity to keep new competition out of your game.
Chess and Go are also boardgames, not war-games. And they do have depth, which many companies, GW included, are incapable of implementing, regardless of the amount of rules written. It is equally laughable to believe that such limited choices as move, shoot and stab, repeated until someone takes their last model off the table, is somehow deep-or engaging. What makes Malifaux interesting is the variety of actions models can take, that schemes are different for each player and the interact action, the AP system, and cheating fate. Things a player has to think about and use effectively, as well as simply more variety in what the game allows them to do.
And this has nothing whatsoever to do with preventing new people from playing- I don't know where this idea is coming from, and I do not appreciate your condescension, or your attack on my ability and my character. The more players the better. No new players and the game dies. However, I will say that making a game that is so easy for new players to pick up that they don't really even need to read the rulebook their first time through comes at the cost of interesting, deep gameplay.
I'd argue that the distinction between war game and board game is increasingly arbitrary.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if Malifaux got a bit simpler. While it's rewarding to play with the crazy complexity, honestly, with a busy/tiring life, I never play the game any more, because it takes too much to stay on top of mechanics and interactions.
With the next edition, I expect I'll use it as an excuse to cull my collection to just the essentials, in part because I dislike how they've messed with dual faction stuff, but mostly because I can't keep up.
It's way too early for speculation on what products will be available. There are tons of misspellings and incomplete passages all over those pages. It's very much a WIP.
Not a fan of Collodi getting the ax (or really removing any of the old masters).
The 10T page didn't get cached so we don't know the masters there. We know Brewmaster is out, which opens up a slot for potentially a new master, but more likely I think Collodi will go 10T. The last two books gave him Asian themed puppets that were dual NB/10T but didn't really have a home under any master in 10T. I think he'll find himself quite comfortable there.
The other missing masters seem pretty expected from the plot. Nico got Justiced and Ramos is in prison after Ironsides stabbed him in the back. Lilith has apparently been replaced by her sister, which seems like a wash. Story wise, the new Von Schtook just felt like an obvious Nico stand in anyway, so the only one who seems to actually be gone is apparently Ramos.
The masters who lost a faction were the ones they mainly never really got working in both factions anyway. I'm pretty happy where they landed and the mention of new hiring rules makes me suspect we'll be picking things more via keyword than faction anyway. Time will tell I suppose.
FWIW, my guess for 10T is:
Shen Long
Asami
Misaki
McCabe
Lynch
Mei Feng*
Yan Lo*
Collodi
LunarSol wrote: [so the only one who seems to actually be gone is apparently Ramos
Note that Arcanists got Hoffman now which fills the Construct-master niche that Ramos originally held and perhaps he'll be getting more summoning in addition to the buffing he had before to take up Ramos's niche.
I’m hoping that they keep the basic rules, consistency in phrasing for how mechanics work (eg: prevention vs reduction vs ignore of damage and things that disallow one or more), and clean up the mess new content has created in doing something different from what already exists (moving flying piglet summoning to the taxedermists) or creating broken combos (obsidian oni just dropping scrap for Mei Feng rather than being constructs and making Levi super OP).
As for masters looks like they’re trying to focus masters Nico, Ramos, and Lilith all had overlap mechanically with other masters in their factions or lack a single viable focus. Nico was the generic summoner that outshone everyone else, Lilith was melee and terrain, and Ramos was SPIDERS! Weak, squishy, spiders. And, um, M&SU I guess? But the rest of the arcanists ran constructs as well or better and the other M&SU masters ran M&SU more interestingly. I just hope they release (even as a limited one and done) rules for “legacy” masters that have been dropped from the story.
LunarSol wrote: [so the only one who seems to actually be gone is apparently Ramos
Note that Arcanists got Hoffman now which fills the Construct-master niche that Ramos originally held and perhaps he'll be getting more summoning in addition to the buffing he had before to take up Ramos's niche.
Of course Ramos was just so great at buffing I forgot he could do that...
LunarSol wrote: [so the only one who seems to actually be gone is apparently Ramos
Note that Arcanists got Hoffman now which fills the Construct-master niche that Ramos originally held and perhaps he'll be getting more summoning in addition to the buffing he had before to take up Ramos's niche.
Of course Ramos was just so great at buffing I forgot he could do that...
Quite the opposite. Ramos was the summoner and Hoffman was the buffer. Ramos is more of a spider-spammer in M2E and barely has any buffing.
ChaoticMind wrote: I just hope they release (even as a limited one and done) rules for “legacy” masters that have been dropped from the story.
Just reading the descriptions, it sounds like the existing masters are all getting pretty significant revamps. A number of them sound completely redone to the point where I wouldn't count on this. As I said, it really seems like there's only Ramos who doesn't have an obvious replacement the old model could stand in for anyway.
I'm liking the potential changes to Lady J and Sonni, which are the only two masters I currently play. I just got a Nellie crew and am painting it up, so I can't comment on the sound of the changes there, but it looks ont he surface like she got more of a shake up.
This is very intriguing. I’ve been interested in Malifaux for a long time and have quite a few models, but never fully got into it. I do feel it’s a bit overly complicated, I do like a complex skirmish game but I think it’s a bit far, so some simplification would be appreciated.
Malifaux 1st edition was even more complicated than what we have now in M2E. Even the most basic models often had triggers and multiple actions they could take.
Not sure what to think about that.
While I appreciate an infusion of 'new' and '3.0' to the game, I definitely won't appreciate losing some masters or even having to buy tons of cards again.
I mean, I only just now got the card pack for the latest book. :/
So, I'm a bit on the fence about this and I would really appreciate Wyrd giving us something official, but so far, there's nothing yet.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wow, somebody posted the leak over on the official forum, and instead of replying, they just killed the topic (and my reply) without a trace.
So this is how they want to play it? O.o
Good luck trying to erase stuff on the interwebs, and keeping a lid on it like that ...
As long as i can use my models it's cool with me (guessing/hoping that I can use Niicodem as von Schtook).
The theme, fluff and unique abilities make Malifaux good, so a big shake up will keep thing interesting without releasing new models.
AduroT wrote: So are the masters not on that list out of the game, or just dead in the fluff? The only master I’ve owned/played is Lilith.
Nobody knows yet.
That's why it's so annoying that Wyrd would rather try and stomp out the rumours instead of making an official announcent, now that the news is out.
LunarSol wrote: [so the only one who seems to actually be gone is apparently Ramos
Note that Arcanists got Hoffman now which fills the Construct-master niche that Ramos originally held and perhaps he'll be getting more summoning in addition to the buffing he had before to take up Ramos's niche.
Of course Ramos was just so great at buffing I forgot he could do that...
Quite the opposite. Ramos was the summoner and Hoffman was the buffer. Ramos is more of a spider-spammer in M2E and barely has any buffing.
Sorry, I tried to use sarcasm on the internet, my bad.
You are correct in your analysis of Ramos, my comment was meant to highlight the problem he has in that other Arcanist have more to do than just their 1/turn iconic action. I always felt the others obviously had something they could do while with Ramos I had 2AP and a 0 that were hard to put to use.
.Mikes. wrote: Am I the only person who doesn't think Malifaux is complex?
Maybe - I do think its at a good level - but its is (for me) very hard work especially if you donlt play regulairly - we might play games months apart! 2nd ed is much much better than 1st - for me at least
Interested to see what 3rd does - 2nd works fine for the most part and I doubt the games group I play will initally invest big and we donlt travel much so can just carry on with 2nd.
VIk's being the same is....odd as they did play very differently - well at least for me.
AduroT wrote: So are the masters not on that list out of the game, or just dead in the fluff? The only master I’ve owned/played is Lilith.
There are 4 missing that aren't currently 10T masters and likely to show up on that list. I forget the specifics of the last book, but most of them are likely out of the game:
Spoiler:
Lilith - This is the one I'm most fuzzy on, but as I recall she was betrayed/killed by her sister as she attempted to stop Titana from reclaiming control of the Neverborn.
Ramos - Ironsides strikes a deal with the Guild and turns him in as leader of the Arcanists in exchange for control over the M&SU.
Nicodem - He makes a big play for control of Malifaux but is stopped and killed rather definitively by Lady J. This was actually voted on by the players. The Judge was also killed in this story.
Collodi - Another one I'm a little iffy on (I apparently didn't read the NB stuff that well). I think he was broken at the end of his story, but Lynch found and took him. My assumption is he'll become the 8th 10T master with puppets like this introduced recently:
https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2017/9/25/monday-preview-hinamatsu
Automatically Appended Next Post: Malifaux is a little too complicated, but it shouldn't be simple either. There are a lot of models in the game and they all have unique rules that add up to a lot of bloat. Where I think the game really gets in trouble is the models that don't have a well defined purpose. They just have a lot of abilities that do a lot of things but don't really have a "primary" ability or well defined role.
I'm very curious about the new intuitive hiring. One of my big gripes in the game is that there's really no thematic synergy between models that encourages different builds with different masters. Everything just seems to come down to a few faction all stars that define the game, with only a few reasons for masters to run something different.
.Mikes. wrote: Am I the only person who doesn't think Malifaux is complex?
Quite possibly. There's a lot of fiddly gradients of similar effects/abilities that produce different interactions, which can be cut down. There's also an absurd number of units to balance around at this point. Neverborn alone has like 70+ models, plus other out of faction hires, etc. That's a ton of interactions to account for and future proof when designing.
Given how you can tailor your list to the available schemes/strats, it also gives a big advantage to those who own them all, and makes new players feel like they have to know everything to compete. It sounds like they're taking a page from Warmachine and going more towards theme groups to remove some option paralysis. I'm cool w Illuminated no longer being the de-facto sole Neverborn beater, or Rotten Belles in basically every Resser list.
Wyrd wrote:We aren't reinventing the wheel with Malifaux Third Edition. Instead, we're improving gameplay by ironing out a few kinks, streamlining some systems, reducing the number of conditions, and more. All of this is to ensure that the focus is on the fun while still keeping the layers of strategy that we all enjoy.
Hiring is also getting a facelift, as models will be hired by Keyword, allowing for more thematic crew building around your (new or existing) Masters. Speaking of Masters, you'll also be able to hire multiple Masters in a single crew.
All of M3E's updated stat cards and its rules will be available at launch for free.
With streamlined rules, an intuitive hiring system, and much more, there's never been a better time to cross through the Breach and into the world of Malifaux!
On net, they're streamlining and cleaning up for 3E. This is a good thing for where gaming has gone in the past few years. Focus more on the high level play, than the memorization of details.
If anyone is at GenCon, I'd be interested in your thoughts on the beta they're demoing there.
I was honestly terrified they'd be going the route of pre-built gummy plastic like in TOS.
Is it bad? I have a burning man core set coming at some point. I got the Krampus set at Christmas and thought it was OK. Then again, I've always thought the detail on their plastics was meh, with blobby cloth/fur/hair.
.Mikes. wrote: Am I the only person who doesn't think Malifaux is complex?
It's complex in the sense that there is a lot going on, but I sure wouldn't call it complicated. If Complexity were a sliding scale I'd put Malifaux right in the middle.
Back OT: Will have to see how this plays out, but the use of the word "streamline" among other things has me concerned. If Wyrd can pull this off, and leave a deep, decision-based game, great.
There's an example of the Rasputina card on the site. Doesn't look like the streamlining is going to be too bad at least on the Master level. It seems the majority of the changes will encourage or even force people to play with thematic keyworded crews as opposed to the best-in-faction objective runners and beatsticks we have now.
I am sure most TOs will default to the 4 dead/missing master being completely fine, and Wyrd is still giving them brand new rules.
I imagine excluding them will be a much rarer occurrence in the community at large, and the only events of note that will are large official Wyrd events
So It's confirmed, Ramos is gone. Well that's one third of my Malifaux collection invalidated.
and don't think the dead mans hand stuff counts, if it can't be played in tournaments then the local Malifaux crowd will have no interest in using it, or playing against it. And wyrd are very unlikely to support them past an initial half hearted stat release.
This is a bad start for Wryd, certainly all the talk so far seems to be pretty negative. I guess my wallet will join Ramos in a prison cell for third edition.
(This is another example of why settings are MUCH better for wargames than evolving stories)
Yeah, Warmachine has a couple characters that have switched between factions over the years. The old versions are still considered completely legit for their original factions.
We don;t play tournaments so the Dead Mans hand will be fine for us.
I'm not fond of the (proposed) new layout myself. The artwork dominates what should be a gameplay aid, and the graphics muddy the rules text somewhat. The current file or document style is neat, and immersive as well. I can't say I see a reason to change the cards at all, really- seems like change for the sake of change.
TheWaspinator wrote: Yeah, Warmachine has a couple characters that have switched between factions over the years. The old versions are still considered completely legit for their original factions.
Warmachine? Aren't we talking about Malifaux here?
There's nothing stopping you from playing Ramos or Lilith as Hoffman or Nekima. their thematic crews would still be the same.
Remember that this stuff leaked way earlier than Wyrd intended, so a lot of their explanation of things isn't available yet. Let's save the outrage for when more information is revealed.
Also, FWIW, all stats will be available for free anyways. You don't have to use the card, and maybe we'll be getting a great Infinity-like army builder with readily-accessible stats. the current Malifaux one is serviceable only for building lists. Stats available for free opens the opportunity for a fan-made third party listbuilder. This will streamline listbuilding significantly.
Some of the Masters have suffered setbacks that have removed them from Malifaux's stage. Lilith has been imprisoned within Nythera, Nicodem was killed by Lady Justice, Ramos is locked up in a Guild jail cell in Vienna, and Collodi... well, it's final fate hasn't been revealed quite yet.
All of these Masters (and their totems) will receive updated stat cards in M3E in a special "Dead Man's Hand" pack. By default, they will not be tournament legal (due to being absent in the story), but an option will exist to allow these "Dead Man's Hand" Masters to be played in tournaments that wish to allow it.
AduroT wrote: I don’t care if you cycle or even kill characters in the story, but doing so shouldn’t remove them from the game.
That makes the fluff as meaningful as yapping in a corner.
I get the complaint, but the theme and story is a major selling point and design consideration of Malifaux.
Some of the Masters have suffered setbacks that have removed them from Malifaux's stage. Lilith has been imprisoned within Nythera, Nicodem was killed by Lady Justice, Ramos is locked up in a Guild jail cell in Vienna, and Collodi... well, it's final fate hasn't been revealed quite yet.
All of these Masters (and their totems) will receive updated stat cards in M3E in a special "Dead Man's Hand" pack. By default, they will not be tournament legal (due to being absent in the story), but an option will exist to allow these "Dead Man's Hand" Masters to be played in tournaments that wish to allow it.
I actually really like that! I'd prefer the story to advance and meaningful changes happen, and it sounds like a good compromise to me.
Since Warmachine was mentioned earlier, and I played it quite heavily, I'd just like to say that models NEVER cycling out and always persisting is a bit... overrated. It leads to game bloat, and having some characters sidelined (to possibly return later) is a great idea.
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Could someone point me towards some beginner resources (knowing that they might be invalidated by the new edition, but just to read up on the basics)? I'm very interested in jumping in on M3E!
Some of the Masters have suffered setbacks that have removed them from Malifaux's stage. Lilith has been imprisoned within Nythera, Nicodem was killed by Lady Justice, Ramos is locked up in a Guild jail cell in Vienna, and Collodi... well, it's final fate hasn't been revealed quite yet.
All of these Masters (and their totems) will receive updated stat cards in M3E in a special "Dead Man's Hand" pack. By default, they will not be tournament legal (due to being absent in the story), but an option will exist to allow these "Dead Man's Hand" Masters to be played in tournaments that wish to allow it.
Dollars to Donuts says 90% of TOs allow Dead Man's Hand.
Some of the Masters have suffered setbacks that have removed them from Malifaux's stage. Lilith has been imprisoned within Nythera, Nicodem was killed by Lady Justice, Ramos is locked up in a Guild jail cell in Vienna, and Collodi... well, it's final fate hasn't been revealed quite yet.
All of these Masters (and their totems) will receive updated stat cards in M3E in a special "Dead Man's Hand" pack. By default, they will not be tournament legal (due to being absent in the story), but an option will exist to allow these "Dead Man's Hand" Masters to be played in tournaments that wish to allow it.
Dollars to Donuts says 90% of TOs allow Dead Man's Hand.
Then why not make it 100% outside of special story events? And not invalidate people's purchases and crews? I had 3 painted Neverborn crews. Collodi, Lillith and Lynch. Now I have NONE. I guess I could finish my Pandora, but what's the point when they can just have another poll and let people decide to remove my next master?
Keep your silly meta story out of my game. We already have nonsensical matchups and crews inconsistent with the fluff. Just how desperate ARE these mercs who join an Old Major lead crew? And how is the pig paying them?
AduroT wrote: I don’t care if you cycle or even kill characters in the story, but doing so shouldn’t remove them from the game.
That makes the fluff as meaningful as yapping in a corner.
I get the complaint, but the theme and story is a major selling point and design consideration of Malifaux.
It's really not, the main selling point of Malifaux are its unique card mechanics, tactical and strategic depth and the miniatures/theme. The amount of people that care about lore in wargames is honestly greatly exaggerated. Malifaux is first and foremost a GAME and to invalidate peoples gaming purchases and time they put into painting crews etc to progress the narrative is just a bad decision. Warmachine and Guildball are good examples of how you can appeal to the story lovers and gamers equally.
Yeah... I don't have a problem with killing off characters, but I'm really not a fan of radically altering fielding options by removing them, or removing them from factions. It probably won't ever hurt someone with a big collection, but small collections can get hugely hurt, when they have a couple masters and they don't work in conjunction with each other any more, or w/e.
AduroT wrote: I don’t care if you cycle or even kill characters in the story, but doing so shouldn’t remove them from the game.
That makes the fluff as meaningful as yapping in a corner.
I get the complaint, but the theme and story is a major selling point and design consideration of Malifaux.
That's frankly where it should be. They shouldn't cater to the crowd that wants to run a RPG instead of a skirmish game.That's what "Through the Breach" is for. And frankly I had enough railroaded metaplot RPG's in the 90's, with White Wolf blowing up their world every few years, TSR turning Planescape into a steaming pile with Faction War, the neverending Forgotten Realms cataclysms etc.
Then why not make it 100% outside of special story events? And not invalidate people's purchases and crews? I had 3 painted Neverborn crews. Collodi, Lillith and Lynch. Now I have NONE. I guess I could finish my Pandora, but what's the point when they can just have another poll and let people decide to remove my next master?
My guess is that it's meant to be sort of easing these characters out. So that fewer people are upset when they don't make a reappearance in another new edition. My guess is that "dead" masters that continue to see play and community attention will get remade, and those who don't get quietly mothballed.
They may also be prepping the game for a more dynamic master rotation. Making hiring keyword focused let’s people keep their crew even if Marcus leaves Arcanists entirely and becomes Neverborn/Bayou.
The feeling that you need everything in a faction to compete (not true but it feels that way) makes it hard to expand the game, particularly in the form of new masters. A fixed size with a rotating current set could help quite a bit.
Mercenaries in the M2E sense of the word are going away. They were very much a "feast or famine" issue in M2E, where they were either an option that was never considered (Hog Whisperer, Freikorpsmann, Torakage) or were in every list due to their strength (Burn, McTavish, Freikorps Trapper).
Instead, Mercenary is the name of the Viktorias' keyword (just like December is the name of Raspy's).
Seems we're going to be getting much stricter rules on hiring cross-faction, and being able to have multiple Masters may alleviate that. Plus, it's important to note that Masters now have costs attributed to them as is the case with the revealed Rasputina card. It'll still be a tradeoff if you want to take multiple masters, and sometimes it's probably better to stay focused. Taking a second master may be the new equivalent to the Merc tax.
TheWaspinator wrote: Yeah, Warmachine has a couple characters that have switched between factions over the years. The old versions are still considered completely legit for their original factions.
Warmachine? Aren't we talking about Malifaux here?
Whew, so many thoughts on M3E. As a 10T player, as the head of a local group of mostly M1E and newbies wanting to get into or back into the game, as a dude who has like ~75 stone in Brewmaster sitting in a box waiting to be built, as a gamer with little time who needs to focus on Kings of War tournament play for the next couple months ...
I guess where I'm at is:
- Props to Wyrd for being so devoted to advancing their game's narrative and shaking masters up
- Keyword selected crews remind me of how Warhams is doing things, except no doubt it'll be much better handled
- I'm 50/50 on going to prebuilt minis: on one hand, Wyrd's obnoxious builds are a major turn off (to my newbs too); on the other, they provide a level of complexity people who aren't me like and that's increasingly rare on the market
- I backed The Other Side and at least theoretically prefer that game to Malifaux, simply based on scale. If both had been available when WHFB died, I would have picked up TOS and not MFX, so I'm pretty interested in speed painting my pledge and seeing what it's got. Unfortunately I have a feeling the player base for MFX will be stronger, especially with this group of gamers I'm managing who want a low model count, so skirmishfaux may win out anyway.
Yea, The Other Side is the unit-based army-scale skirmish game to Malifaux's warband-scale skirmish game. Same size minis and what not, but with units formed with groups of them on even bigger bases / unit trays and rules governing their activation, damage, etc as a group of minis. A bit less granularity as well, which I dig - I'm in the "Malifaux hurts my head" camp
Apparently rules have been added to resolve ties. In the event of a tie the person that hired fewer models gains a half point and if both crews started with the same number of models whoever had more sharing the master’s keyword gets it. Apparently this was done to help make tournaments easier to run.
From this we can infer that you CAN hire outside of keywords but they will provide access to models out of faction without the infiltration clunkyness.
From this we can infer that you CAN hire outside of keywords but they will provide access to models out of faction without the infiltration clunkyness.
They've stated there's a penalty for hiring out of keyword. There's also no generic Mercenary rule in M3E (Viks just use Mercenary as their hiring keyword). Likely this means you pay the Merc tax for things that aren't part of your keyword. There are also models whose keyword is "Versatile" who can be hired by faction masters regardless of keyword.
LunarSol wrote: There's also no generic Mercenary rule in M3E (Viks just use Mercenary as their hiring keyword). Likely this means you pay the Merc tax for things that aren't part of your keyword. There are also models whose keyword is "Versatile" who can be hired by faction masters regardless of keyword.
LunarSol wrote: There's also no generic Mercenary rule in M3E (Viks just use Mercenary as their hiring keyword). Likely this means you pay the Merc tax for things that aren't part of your keyword. There are also models whose keyword is "Versatile" who can be hired by faction masters regardless of keyword.
... aka "Mercenary"? LOL
No, it’s still within faction. They can just be hired by any of the factions masters without the downside of hiring outside keyword (whatever that is).
The Versatile keyword seems to be allocated to less traditional "merc" models and moreso faction-generic models like the Emissaries and Effigies that can and should be taken by pretty much any Master within a faction.
Viks getting "Mercenary" as their keyword rather than "Sister" seems fine; this way the crew can focus on more than AshVik, BloodVik, Student, and Vanessa. No other Master's theme focuses on the idea of anything-goes motley crews of Mercs than the Viks.
I assume Von Schill will get "Freikorps" as his professional mercs are more of a merc company than what the Viks have. Parker gets Bandits, Misaki gets Last Blossom, etc. The Viks have always been the impromptu leader and willing to accept pretty much anyone willing to work alongside them.
Some great alts, and not just the funny ones.* Graves + Tannen that look like they belong in Neverborn, Ototo not flying through the air (here's hoping he's HUGE when standing up), a second Rogue Necro for the spammers (guilty), a less spindly Vanessa.
Also there's a part of me that wants those ponies for M3E, since I seem to accidentally be playing Gremlins now with Brew's allegiance change
Yeah, I would assume that they will be treated like everything else during the transition: at some point, they'll either start putting MK3 cards in them or stop making them. Why would they be different?
.Mikes. wrote: Hey, did anyone here what the plans are with the planned two player starter sets, given the announcement of M3?
I'm pretty sure they're both available at GenCon right now and will be heading to stores soon. I know at the very least I've seen people with the Backdraft set in their haul.
Those have to be resin/3D prints. The detail is frankly too crisp, particularly on Marcus, unless Wyrd seriously upped their plastic game since last I checked in. Raspy's cloak also has too sharp details on the inner lining.
Marcus does indeed look younger. Maybe Neverborn rejuvenated him, since he always seemed about mid 40's based on the art. I do dig the new look though. Same w Raspy, whose existing plastic sculpt is the blandest thing since lukewarm tapwater. Why is an ice mage huddling up inside her parka? Not to mention the static pose.
The orange stuff definitely looks 3D print, but the grey could very well be plastic - WGF does excellent plastic, and is moving to finer tooling for KDM, so it's not out of the question.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Those have to be resin/3D prints. The detail is frankly too crisp, particularly on Marcus, unless Wyrd seriously upped their plastic game since last I checked in. Raspy's cloak also has too sharp details on the inner lining.
Marcus does indeed look younger. Maybe Neverborn rejuvenated him, since he always seemed about mid 40's based on the art. I do dig the new look though. Same w Raspy, whose existing plastic sculpt is the blandest thing since lukewarm tapwater. Why is an ice mage huddling up inside her parka? Not to mention the static pose.
A lot of the M2E master sculpts are surprisingly understated. They went for a very stoic pose to be surrounded by a wilder gang. Looks great on the box, but I noticed pretty early on that it led to masters feeling bland on their own.
Marcus has actually been getting younger for a while. When he came to Malifaux he was actually an old man, I want to say Ramos's peer or older. Tapping into Malifaux's nature magic rejuvenated him and there's been an ongoing thread about how the more of it it draws on the more youthful he appears.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I wonder about the rogue necromancy. I remember Grootslang renders made it look big, but I didn't expect it to be as huge as it turned out!
Screw it, going to order more stuff, even if it doesn't actually see game time til 3rd edition rolls around.
The first plastic was pretty damn big (and awesome). I imagine this is going to be roughly the same size. However you can't always tell w Wyrd, as they have sometimes had scaling issues (crouching samurai, viks, TTB females etc). I havent heard about any recently though, so maybe they now get print outs before signing off on the mold.
Is that Santana-like model shooting into the Death Marshal coffin supposed to be Lady Justice? The pose looks terrible, and it's weird to see her using a gun instead of her large sword. That can;t be Lady J, can it?
Not the biggest fan of the current Midriff Anime Samurai Lady J, but I might have to pick up the box real quick if her new pose is going to look like that. RIP The Judge.
I was going to order the Ototo for use in Test of Honour, but $9.30 to ship a single $15 fig is silly. And the alternate shipping is almost $15 and takes an additional day .
Yeah... that lady J model is pretty awful. If that's the direction the style/sculpting is headed, I think I'll pick up the few things I've been half meaning to, before they're replaced with the new look.
Absolutionis wrote: Is that Santana-like model shooting into the Death Marshal coffin supposed to be Lady Justice? The pose looks terrible, and it's weird to see her using a gun instead of her large sword. That can;t be Lady J, can it?
I'm reminded of Guardians of the Galaxy 2, only with Perdita saying "It's just, swords were your thing and guns were mine."
The head looks like it has a blindfold, but doesnt really match the mini pose (which is just stiff and awkward), so I'm wondering if it's just a head swap on a regular death marshal. That's a pretty dinky blade for Lady J.
I can't get a feed on where the sculpting is going myself. Just going by the masters we've seen, Raspy is reminiscent of Warmachine (look at that cloak and look at any number of cloaked things in that game, though she does have better proportions than that game), Lady J sorta reminds me of a less extreme Kingdom Death chick, and Marcus has a higher level of detail than either of them ... while Myranda looks pretty standard M2E Wyrd. No idea what their sculptor corral is like these days, I sorta assumed whoever did TOS would be doing these too, judging by the consistency between that product and M3E.
And if it matters, I'm in the hating on this version of Lady J camp. I'm not a Justice fanboy but I've always dug the power lunge + huuuge sword of the M2E plastic, and the alternate plastic is a solid second with that nod to the OG and sweet echo in the Dead Justice sculpt.
My general tone re: consistent feel, is broader gestures and exaggeration: for instance, rasputina (billowing cloak, high-relief detail), snow storm (most apelike exaggerated proportions), lady j (awkwardly "dramatic" pose), myranda (morphing and arms out), etc.
I feel like they're generally much broader, probably in part because the material doesn't support detail as well.
That isn't to say that such characteristic haven't been a part of malifaux in both editions, just that it seems like they're heavily leaning in that direction.
They've been using this very soft detail orange rapid prototype for a while. The final models feel more along the lines of what I'd expect from the rest of M2E stuff, but its worth noting that their models often are far less detailed than people expect from the art, mostly coming down to a lack of texture on surfaces.
The more I look at that Lady J the more it bugs me.
Is she holding a knife or a rapier in her other hand? I know she's always had the gun but to me she's always been synonymous with the sword.
...and what's this about an alternate plastic version?
I thought there was the original, the alternate, the dead version, and the 2E in the crew box. Am I missing one? Was there a vintage one I somehow missed?
You know, I really thought they did a throwback plastic version of this sculpt:
(Paint by Dark Templar)
But I guess I was wrong! So I suppose that's my favorite of the myriad Lady J sculpts, in OG metal as it turns out
Also crap, all this talk about Justice has me wanting to run her, and I'm pretty sure I've never wanted to run Guild (*looks at his McCabe and notes he's 10T, thank you very much*)
So The Other Side stuff has started to show up at retailers for preorder and Wyrds upcoming page.
And it looks like MSRP has been lowered across the board to match the KS prices.
Good news for those who where interested in the game bu missed the KS. But ouch for backers who got multiple add ons thinking they were getting a discount (the core pledges are still a savings).
As a KSer, I'm more happy than miffed. I like the concept of the game a lot and plan to speedpaint my way through my pledge, but whenever I think about the game's future I struggle seeing where it really thrives in this market. Having a lower MSRP will help, although I can't say if that will be enough to overcome the market's saturation and the barrier to entry for new gamers to army-scale wargames. Neither of my LGS have mentioned stocking TOTS, and one has been burned on MFX twice now, despite their being a decent number of Fauxers in the woodwork, mostly hibernating for 3E (me included).
AverageBoss wrote: So The Other Side stuff has started to show up at retailers for preorder and Wyrds upcoming page.
And it looks like MSRP has been lowered across the board to match the KS prices.
Good news for those who where interested in the game bu missed the KS. But ouch for backers who got multiple add ons thinking they were getting a discount (the core pledges are still a savings).
They'll just have to cry into their plastic, preassembled models they were going to buy anyway. I'll shed a tear as I paint my minis at my local FLGS who will at least profit from my recent irrational urge to own 4 boxes of Abyssinian Calvary.
Seriously, what is it about those models that makes me want them so bad? I'm even starting to wonder if I could put the Lord of Steel on a horse.
AverageBoss wrote: And it looks like MSRP has been lowered across the board to match the KS prices.
Good news for those who where interested in the game bu missed the KS. But ouch for backers who got multiple add ons thinking they were getting a discount (the core pledges are still a savings).
Picked up my Gibbering Hordes pledge yesterday, and I'm well pleased overall, everything looks good. Bonus points for a beauty of a rulebook - I think a stretch goal was upgraded hardback? total worth, likewise the upgraded tokens, so so so much better than paper ones - but losing some points for the horrendous Wyrd gaps I'mma have to fill. Not seeing face seams (tm) but the Alpha Crawler and Siren I can't leave as is. Which is what it is, I suppose I was looking forward to straight up not having to build these things at all, as I'm quite burnt on building Wyrd things.
Two other thoughts while unboxing: 1) Holy hell these boxes are big, especially the starter. I'm really struggling seeing my local shops stock this thing just physically, particularly with how hot box-heavy Kill Team is locally. 2) I have some regrets about not adding on extra units, as it looks like I intend to play this game sometime in 2019 and like force variety, but I'm heartened by the MSRP drop. Having things to buy for the game as I paint stuff is a good problem to have, particularly if I didn't miss out on anything by waiting.
ChargerIIC wrote: And it looks like MSRP has been lowered across the board to match the KS prices.
Good news for those who where interested in the game bu missed the KS. But ouch for backers who got multiple add ons thinking they were getting a discount (the core pledges are still a savings).
Picked up my Gibbering Hordes pledge yesterday, and I'm well pleased overall, everything looks good. Bonus points for a beauty of a rulebook - I think a stretch goal was upgraded hardback? total worth, likewise the upgraded tokens, so so so much better than paper ones - but losing some points for the horrendous Wyrd gaps I'mma have to fill. Not seeing face seams (tm) but the Alpha Crawler and Siren I can't leave as is. Which is what it is, I suppose I was looking forward to straight up not having to build these things at all, as I'm quite burnt on building Wyrd things.
Two other thoughts while unboxing:
1) Holy hell these boxes are big, especially the starter. I'm really struggling seeing my local shops stock this thing just physically, particularly with how hot box-heavy Kill Team is locally.
2) I have some regrets about not adding on extra units, as it looks like I intend to play this game sometime in 2019 and like force variety, but I'm heartened by the MSRP drop. Having things to buy for the game as I paint stuff is a good problem to have, particularly if I didn't miss out on anything by waiting.
Chopped up the UBB code wrong, fixed now. High fives to you on going hard on something cool - the Marauder is probably my fav of the Abyssinian crew. Railgun is hella cool too, for obvious reasons.
So are there any quickstart rules or anything in the starter boxes?
I couldn't resist grabbing a Gibbering Hordes starter since if I got it today it was free shipping, ebay bucks back, and 15 percent off.
Worst case I have more Deep Wars monsters and homebrew battles if I can't talk Barzam into picking up Abyssinia.
Although Cult of the Burning Man is really calling to me with their crazy sculpts. I'm sure I can get a lot of mileage out of their brand of craziness...
...and now I seem to have ended up with a box of ECB Black Ops just because....
If you click on the faction buttons in the middle, there's a set of model renders at the bottom.
Stuff has started showing up at Miniature Market. I'm not exactly sure how much or anything, but you can buy it there and I assume some other places like the WarStore.
.Mikes. wrote: Am I the only person who doesn't think Malifaux is complex?
Quite possibly. There's a lot of fiddly gradients of similar effects/abilities that produce different interactions, which can be cut down. There's also an absurd number of units to balance around at this point. Neverborn alone has like 70+ models, plus other out of faction hires, etc. That's a ton of interactions to account for and future proof when designing.
Given how you can tailor your list to the available schemes/strats, it also gives a big advantage to those who own them all, and makes new players feel like they have to know everything to compete. It sounds like they're taking a page from Warmachine and going more towards theme groups to remove some option paralysis. I'm cool w Illuminated no longer being the de-facto sole Neverborn beater, or Rotten Belles in basically every Resser list.
Exactly. I'm hoping for a more elegant system in this new edition. We haven't played for years, it just became such a head ache. Crossing our fingers they find a balance with it all.
If you click on the faction buttons in the middle, there's a set of model renders at the bottom.
Stuff has started showing up at Miniature Market. I'm not exactly sure how much or anything, but you can buy it there and I assume some other places like the WarStore.
Yeah, I should have checked those places first - sorry!
A bit annoying to see that Wyrd is continuing with their 'render only!' way of showing things.
And...the prices - even after they've been adjusted I guess? - are still pretty off-putting.
Especially with out being able to see real, actual models.
Anyone else who got there pledges having problems with bendy model syndrome, no matter what i do to the horses for the abysinia calvary they keep drooping. Also i can’t get the Riders guns and spears to stay straight.
spartan059 wrote: Anyone else who got there pledges having problems with bendy model syndrome, no matter what i do to the horses for the abysinia calvary they keep drooping. Also i can’t get the Riders guns and spears to stay straight.
.Mikes. wrote: Am I the only person who doesn't think Malifaux is complex?
Quite possibly. There's a lot of fiddly gradients of similar effects/abilities that produce different interactions, which can be cut down. There's also an absurd number of units to balance around at this point. Neverborn alone has like 70+ models, plus other out of faction hires, etc. That's a ton of interactions to account for and future proof when designing.
Given how you can tailor your list to the available schemes/strats, it also gives a big advantage to those who own them all, and makes new players feel like they have to know everything to compete. It sounds like they're taking a page from Warmachine and going more towards theme groups to remove some option paralysis. I'm cool w Illuminated no longer being the de-facto sole Neverborn beater, or Rotten Belles in basically every Resser list.
Exactly. I'm hoping for a more elegant system in this new edition. We haven't played for years, it just became such a head ache. Crossing our fingers they find a balance with it all.
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Loved the system and a lot of the interactions; sheer complexity and some poor internal faction balance have meant I haven't played in a while. 100% back on board if they manage to simplify and balance things well; probably will stay a very occasional game if they don't, and probably my group will play the occasional 2e rather than try to keep up with current editions.
I think all of the Karkanoi sculpts, that I forgot to put on bases...
This time with the Striped Skulkers...
Not the greatest photos as my wife wanted to head to the gym.
Getting back on topic, I'm really hoping 3E is as steamlined as they say. I tried explaining it to family and it just went over their heads. At least they get rolling dice and trying to roll higher than a 4.
I really enjoy the models and fluff. It would be nice to enjoy the game once in a while as well...
I’m also hoping for less rules volume. I loved the first edition sculpts but we found the game impossible to play casually. You seemed to either really commit to Malifaux or not play it, and that coupled with generally less interesting sculpts as they went plastic meant our group just stopped trying.
On a totally in no way related note, I'm super, super happy with what they've done with third edition. I love the emphasis on thematic crews and how that gives most masters a playstyle more interconnected with their entire list. I also think it'll make the game a lot easier to buy into and learn overall. My playgroup went from "plays a bit but didn't totally get it" to one of our top games with 3rd edition. Really looking forward to this release.
On a totally in no way related note, I'm super, super happy with what they've done with third edition. I love the emphasis on thematic crews and how that gives most masters a playstyle more interconnected with their entire list. I also think it'll make the game a lot easier to buy into and learn overall. My playgroup went from "plays a bit but didn't totally get it" to one of our top games with 3rd edition. Really looking forward to this release.
Same. I only got in a few games but I'm excited about where it's heading.
A decent look at the Wrydscape terrain previewed/released at Gencon, looks good, can be combined and as Warren says has plenty of scope for use in painting dioramas as well as games
Honestly, I've barely skimmed the rules but was very surprised by the sheer number of thematic model selection options that went away.
Like, I totally get that there can be shifts in selection, strength, etc. with any edition update, but I've never seen so many lost thematic selections (ex: ones where they're called out by keyword or even by name), faction swaps (from single models to whole sets), and removed models in just about any edition update I can think of.
The last time I got hit this much was back whenever they discontinued the Lost and the Damned; while that was a whole army dropped, at least it had the excuse of being a niche where it mostly existed as conversion fodder and without any new kits (the closest being a kitbash set).
Yeah, I went from 4 Neverborn masters to 1, losing Lilith, Collodi and Lynch. The dead man's hand rules are fething stupid. If they want to have their fluff tea party and kill off masters, that should only be for special themed events, not standard play. Moreover, it means that those crews wont get more releases, and will be less balanced. Maybe don't replace long time masters like Lillith with randos no one has heard about? If they want a meta plot, the place for that is in the RPG.
I'm a little surprised there aren't more dual keyword models, but keywords have such a great coherent playstyle in the new edition I've noticed the ones that do exist really struggle to work in both crews anyway.
For the most part though I really like where most models ended up. Like, I'm glad they didn't try to force the wizards in with Ironsides. Generally speaking Arcanists had a major shakeup but I love where they landed. For a faction that I heavily lamented being homogenized into an M&SU blog, they did a really good job making M&SU, Augmented, Foundry and the rouge mage Arcanists distinct from one another.
My gut says they're moving away from factions in general or at least want to get to a place where Masters can change factions more freely. I'd not at all be surprised to see masters rotate in and out of the Dead Man's Hand space and slide from one loyalty to another. I could also see tournaments shifting away from factions towards something like "bring 3 keywords" kind of stuff.
In any case, I think the new design is super healthy for the game. The primary issue is that its coming after an edition of the game that was just kind of a structural mess that demanded some pretty impractical, sprawling collections that really only worked for hardcore players. I've gotten more interest since the boundaries were announced than I did for all of M2E.
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Bossk_Hogg wrote: Yeah, I went from 4 Neverborn masters to 1, losing Lilith, Collodi and Lynch. The dead man's hand rules are fething stupid. If they want to have their fluff tea party and kill off masters, that should only be for special themed events, not standard play. Moreover, it means that those crews wont get more releases, and will be less balanced. Maybe don't replace long time masters like Lillith with randos no one has heard about? If they want a meta plot, the place for that is in the RPG.
Some of the new core rules I love (Pass tokens!) and others I'm unsure about (Burning never goes away unless a friend puts you out), but I didn't see anything that I thought was a straight up bad decision. It'll take a few games to be able to judge, but I think the core set absolutely moved in the right direction.
I play TT, so I escaped the Re-keywording Hammer pretty okay. We lost Brewmaster (who I don't have) and I think that's it. My old Mercenary models are now Outcast exclusive, so I think I'm going to have to pick up the Viks at some point.
A buddy of mine has the Wild Ones box which is now illegal to field together. That sucks.
The nice thing about the burning change is that it isn't nearly as impactful in terms of damage, but the fact it doesn't go away means that it can be used to set up more interesting things on models that want to manipulate it like Sonnia and Kaeris.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Yeah, I went from 4 Neverborn masters to 1, losing Lilith, Collodi and Lynch. The dead man's hand rules are fething stupid. If they want to have their fluff tea party and kill off masters, that should only be for special themed events, not standard play. Moreover, it means that those crews wont get more releases, and will be less balanced. Maybe don't replace long time masters like Lillith with randos no one has heard about? If they want a meta plot, the place for that is in the RPG.
You've really never heard of Nekima?
I was actually thinking about Euripides. Poorly phrased though, as Nekima did replace Lilith literally. I think either of them could have ended up as an Outcast/Neverborn dual master. Removing Lynch to make room for Marcus and completely removing Collodi makes no sense.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Yeah, I went from 4 Neverborn masters to 1, losing Lilith, Collodi and Lynch. The dead man's hand rules are fething stupid. If they want to have their fluff tea party and kill off masters, that should only be for special themed events, not standard play. Moreover, it means that those crews wont get more releases, and will be less balanced. Maybe don't replace long time masters like Lillith with randos no one has heard about? If they want a meta plot, the place for that is in the RPG.
You've really never heard of Nekima?
I was actually thinking about Euripides. Poorly phrased though, as Nekima did replace Lilith literally. I think either of them could have ended up as an Outcast/Neverborn dual master. Removing Lynch to make room for Marcus and completely removing Collodi makes no sense.
I'm a hair surprised Marcus didn't go Neverborn/Bayou honestly, He's been an odd fit in Arcanists for a while. I personally find Euripides kind of exciting, but removing Cololdi is still a head scratcher to me. I assumed the proprieter of the Qi and Gong was going to be a poorly disguised puppetman personally. In good news, it does appear they're easing up on DMH a bit. The Open Beta added faction tags back on Lilith/Collodi/Ramos/Nicodem and has them more of just an additional master that tournaments can choose to disallow. I think they got really hung up on ensuring master parity across the game and not having too many options in general. My gut says they want to be able to add a new master, shift a master out of a current faction into another and wherever there's an extra kill someone off and drop them in the DMH bucket. I'm hoping that we just start limiting how many different keywords we can use instead and let the master count grow in whatever direction works best. Faction has always been a problematic concept for the game that I'm happy to see it move away from.
One thing about the DMH masters I find interesting is that with the exception of Collodi (going to scratch off a chunk of my scalp with him) all the DMH masters help destroy the game's original faction binding characters. The original 4 were kind of bundled under the Governor, Ramos, Lilith, and Nico. Removing them helps facilitate a little more individual identity in the remaining masters. It's really noticeable for me in Arcanists, where it no longer feels like everything is trying to force itself into the spiderman bucket. I see something similar with Nico, though in that case there's an obvious desire to remove the massive design constraint his master of all undead status put on the faction. Even Lilith to a certain degree was a little too forest monster + nephilim and without her you see those sides defined better in Nekima and Titania. Collodi is just bizarre though.
McCabe is 10T only and doesn't have a way to hire Mounted Guard. I'd guess they'll just decide the power wheel sisters count as proxies for something else eventually though.
The Collodi announcement down the line was meant to be the exact reason why Collodi isn't in M3E. We already know why Ramos (arrested), Lillith (trrapped), and Nico (dead/trapped) aren't in, but Collodi's storyline hadn't been revealed.
oomiestompa wrote: We lost Brewmaster (who I don't have) and I think that's it.
Irony of ironies, I'm a long time 10T player who keeps flirting with Grems, and now I find myself suddenly becoming a Gremlin player thanks to Brewie being my next main. I guess it was ... fate
oomiestompa wrote: We lost Brewmaster (who I don't have) and I think that's it.
Irony of ironies, I'm a long time 10T player who keeps flirting with Grems, and now I find myself suddenly becoming a Gremlin player thanks to Brewie being my next main. I guess it was ... fate
I had a friend start the game with 10T Brewie like a week or two before they announced M3E. He jumped in the beta, tried out the Backdraft/Whiskey Golem stuff and decided he'd just stumble into Gremlin instead.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Yeah, I went from 4 Neverborn masters to 1, losing Lilith, Collodi and Lynch. The dead man's hand rules are fething stupid. If they want to have their fluff tea party and kill off masters, that should only be for special themed events, not standard play. Moreover, it means that those crews wont get more releases, and will be less balanced. Maybe don't replace long time masters like Lillith with randos no one has heard about? If they want a meta plot, the place for that is in the RPG.
Yeah, it's pretty frustrating and confusing. I didn't lose any of my masters, but Lucius can't take his Guardmen or Dashel as NB (that's he's come with in every edition), Tara can't take her Death Marshals (that she's been really heavily mechanically and thematically linked to) and has lost a faction (including more thematic burying models) and all her summons, Somer has lost his pig interactions... Pretty much the only master I played whose main options were untouched is Mei Feng.
I'm honestly pretty irritated that:
1- the additional masters weren't fit in so the DMH masters could fit as variations on them (i.e. it's not a stretch to fit Ramos as variant Hoffman) so they could stay officially legal (having dealt with years of FW "mostly legal")
2- masters lost thematic models associated with them
3- models were shifted to other factions
Like, I totally get there being issues with dual faction masters, there being mechanical reasons to avoid bloat, wanting to do away with some auto-picks with sprawling faction/merc access, and wanting to continue the narrative, but it felt like Wyrd had no interest in players being able to keep intact thematic collections. I was pretty ready for playing around in the new edition, but I'm a bit disappointed now, since more than half of my favorite crew, and half of my other favorite, aren't legal.
Pretty much the same. They only have 1 stat card now and are just the only Master that you can take more than one of. The can chain activate and port to one another's location. The AoE Whirlwind is toned down but can trigger the other to attack to output quite a bit of damage. Their crew's themed ability is a 2" push at the start of the turn, letting them break engagement or just get up the field faster.
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spiralingcadaver wrote: Yeah, it's pretty frustrating and confusing. I didn't lose any of my masters, but Lucius can't take his Guardmen or Dashel as NB (that's he's come with in every edition), Tara can't take her Death Marshals (that she's been really heavily mechanically and thematically linked to) and has lost a faction (including more thematic burying models) and all her summons, Somer has lost his pig interactions... Pretty much the only master I played whose main options were untouched is Mei Feng.
I'm honestly pretty irritated that:
1- the additional masters weren't fit in so the DMH masters could fit as variations on them (i.e. it's not a stretch to fit Ramos as variant Hoffman) so they could stay officially legal (having dealt with years of FW "mostly legal")
2- masters lost thematic models associated with them
3- models were shifted to other factions
Like, I totally get there being issues with dual faction masters, there being mechanical reasons to avoid bloat, wanting to do away with some auto-picks with sprawling faction/merc access, and wanting to continue the narrative, but it felt like Wyrd had no interest in players being able to keep intact thematic collections. I was pretty ready for playing around in the new edition, but I'm a bit disappointed now, since more than half of my favorite crew, and half of my other favorite, aren't legal.
In Dashel's case, its mostly because he took Lucius's crew from him and became the most promoted model in the game. Personally I'm happier with both of them now. Dashel really makes "the Guard army" a thing in a way that always sounded good on paper but never worked out. Lucius's new crew fits his character a lot better, IMO. It always felt odd with him trying to serve as some kind of general and the new Hitman and white gloves disposing the body works a lot better for me. My one big disappointment is the Austringers and the whole Frontier theme in general. Feels like it overlaps Perdita too much for me and feels like its not McCabe for no real reason.
I also think its important to keep in mind that some masters are totally playable but still replaced for all it matters. I'd rather have Ramos as semi-official with his old playstyle than not-Hoffman (who's completely different anyway). In terms of playability, anything so competitive that it disallows DMH is going to be based on a subset of a faction anyway. It's not like you can take Ramos to a competitive M2E event either... :(
I guess it just doesn't bother me because M2E just got the point for me where it was such a jumbled mess I'm not sure what I'd define as a thematic collection anymore. I get that the shuffle is frustrating and I'm not happy with every change, but the new definitions of what make a thematic collection work a lot better for me and the reinforced playstyle across them really makes the game click for me.
Pretty much the same. They only have 1 stat card now and are just the only Master that you can take more than one of. The can chain activate and port to one another's location. The AoE Whirlwind is toned down but can trigger the other to attack to output quite a bit of damage. Their crew's themed ability is a 2" push at the start of the turn, letting them break engagement or just get up the field faster.
Has damage dealing gone down all round? Have not read all the rules yet but as the Viks lost upgrades like the Mark I assume that models tend to stick around longer now? I tended to run them and their crew around combat strats and schemes and wondered if that was still going to work?
Has damage dealing gone down all round? Have not read all the rules yet but as the Viks lost upgrades like the Mark I assume that models tend to stick around longer now? I tended to run them and their crew around combat strats and schemes and wondered if that was still going to work?
Yeah, for the most part. You won't see major outliers like Howard getting 3 attacks at min 4 damage for example. The Viks Whirlwind is just a point of splash damage around instead of full damage. Also, charging in is in a place where you can charge farther by doing a walk then charge, but that costs you an attack so you can engage from farther away, but long range alpha strikes are less deadly. You have to be closer to get a 2 attack charge now.
That said, the Viks are still a murder ball. That's what they do and they're good at it. In no small part that's because all of the above makes it hard to alpha strike a model with a single model, which isn't really a problem the Viks have...
As a thank you to our fantastic Adepticon community, we decided to do something a little special this year. If you're headed to Adepticon but don't think you'll have time to make it into one of our events, don't worry! We've still got something up our sleeves. This year, we will have some new Malifaux Third Edition products available for pre-sale!
That's right. If you head over to our booth, you might just find yourself with a unique opportunity to get your hands on some brand new Malifaux Third Edition sculpts and cards! In order to have bragging rights over your friends, you'll just have to be the first in line, because there will be a limited supply*!
*Third Edition First Release Preview items will be in very short supply (we will only have 20 per SKU). Customers are limited to one Third Edition First Release Preview SKU per purchase. These orders will not include final packaging but will include sprues and Third Edition cards.
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Malifaux Third Edition's Open Beta is done, so we're plugging away as fast as we can to get the new models, rules, and books in your hands (and if you haven't heard, that'll be early summer!).
Yeah the super fragile nature of some of them wasnt always great, but they all had great dynamic action poses that made them look like they were in the heat of battle and just had much more personality/character to them.... these imo are not the kind of sculpts that are going to draw new players into M3E.
I guess the other pertinent question is whether they're still being made by WGF,
as the other reason for a design change is a factory shift with the new lot being less experienced and so less able to handle 'dynamic' stuff & thin and spindly things
I thought it was the same stuff? They're prebuilt, either way, which is enough, with an edition change and some crew restrictions that wrecked my collection, that I expect I unfortunately won't be keeping up with 3e. I certainly could handle uninspired sculpts, am willing to bite the bullet and buy updates, and if the game were stellar I'd be tempted to play even if it disrupted my collection, but the 3-pronged assault on my fun has me pretty deflated.
Oh, really? I must have misunderstood, or maybe I just assumed: I have no idea why they've so radically shifted their design style if they're not adjusting to a new material?
spiralingcadaver wrote: Oh, really? I must have misunderstood, or maybe I just assumed: I have no idea why they've so radically shifted their design style if they're not adjusting to a new material?
New artist who came in with book 5 of 2E. It's important to remember the art in books is basically concept art for sculpts, but quite frankly they're awful IMO. The previous artist moved over to primarily doing TOS and that art looks brilliant and in line with everything that came before, the new stuff is sort of a samey caricature of previous art with an overemphasis on "larger" people for what seems to be just meme value (and without any thought to their actual roles, like Benny Wolcomb). The worst example is Gremlins, they're almost an entirely different species in how they're represented by each artist
The style is a little different, but not wildly so. M2E is pretty loaded with static models as well particularly the master sculpts. There seems to be some more dynamic options in the boxes as a whole from what I've seen.
as the other reason for a design change is a factory shift with the new lot being less experienced and so less able to handle 'dynamic' stuff & thin and spindly things
The three new masters available (two or three copies each day) at Adepticon had "Made in Tailand" stamped on the sprue, instead of the old "Main in China" stamps. Still hard plastic sprues.
I don't know that a change in factory explains the difference in sculpts, I think it's more likely just artistic decisions, for better or for worse.
.Mikes. wrote: Has anyone heard word (or Wyrd - ha!) when M3E will be officially released?
Summer. GenCon follows there usual pattern, but there's a sense from the way they're talking that they want to do a digital launch sooner.
Quick comment. Wyrd has long had times where they take on too much and cut corners on sculpting. Last time I really remember this was when they were frantically trying to redo everything in sprue plastic for M2E book 2. If you look at things like Guild Sergeants from that era you see a lot of copy pasted assess with head swaps and the like. Given they appear to be redoing several crew boxes for the M3E launch, I'm not totally surprised to see some less... bespoke... looking stuff on the new guys. Even then, these guys don't seem bad; they're just not as memorable as some of Wyrd's best.
Wyrd's masters in M2E generally sucked. As noted, too much copy/paste faces that lacked any personality and a generally bland art direction. Plus weird limb proportions where it looked like lots of them were 70-80% legs. Maybe going through the breach stretches them out like a taffy puller...
Art seems a bit better this edition. The fur on Rasputina's cloak looks a little weird on the renders, but at least a frostmage type character isn't blandly standing around huddled in a parka...
* Current products on the shelf do not need to be replaced. Stores will be given stickers to put on boxes they have M3E cards for, and customers will be able to just pick up the M3E cards in addition to the current M2E product.
* Faction Packs of cards will be available for all M3E cards for current tournament-legal models. This probably excludes "Dead Man's Hand".
* Eight books will be released. One Core Rulebook and seven Faction books full of lore and rules.
* SKUs being cut from 337 to 186. Many items being consolidated into new product boxes of old models. Products will have keywords on them so you can tell at a glance which Master each model is associated with.
* Some new consolidated boxes will have new models in addition to old models. For one year after launch, you can special order specific models!
* June/July/August/Sepetember releases with which boxes will contain new models.
* New Faction mentioned. No details yet. Teases that the Core Rulebook will contain info.
- It has been mentioned in the past (not this article) that the new Faction will contain Basse (Guild) and McCabe (10T).
The individual model availability is nice. Still feel pretty burnt by the number of cross-faction crews, masters, and master-keyworded models that have been removed, though. Of my 4 main crews only one wasn't hit hard, and it was my least-played.
spiralingcadaver wrote: The individual model availability is nice. Still feel pretty burnt by the number of cross-faction crews, masters, and master-keyworded models that have been removed, though. Of my 4 main crews only one wasn't hit hard, and it was my least-played.
I understand that, but I'm glad Wyrd are willing to do that to move the story forward. It would suck if you own those masters, though.
Anyone want to start guessing what the new faction may be / look / play like?
I'm thinking some kind of secret society around the titians.
I wonder if there's any link to the new faction with some of the stuff from the Other Side?
There's preview art in the back of the book of things that weren't even mentioned yet as well- The Kimon, Three Kingdoms, The Court of Two...I know some of those have ties to actual Malifaux factions already though.
So, if one has all the minis needed, all one will need to get is the M3e rules book and the right faction deck? And both will be available in PDF form for free? Good. I have the M1e and M2e main books, but have no interest in buying the BRB yet again. I'm not that interested in the storyline anymore.
Maybe I can get some of my group playing again. They faded out after the Rising Powers book way back in M1e days.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I wonder if there's any link to the new faction with some of the stuff from the Other Side?
There's preview art in the back of the book of things that weren't even mentioned yet as well- The Kimon, Three Kingdoms, The Court of Two...I know some of those have ties to actual Malifaux factions already though.
All 3 of those, plus Guild, are confirmed to be the next book's worth of The Other Side factions. Wyrd are going wide and not deep with TOS, so each current faction is more-or-less done and future expansion will be new factions entirely (see also the heavy mentions of Ottomans and Russians in the fluff). It's highly likely given the faction symbol (crossed guns and a compass, seen on the pre-release Basse cards) that the new M3E faction has some tie to the Malifaux Exploration League mentioned in the Through The Breach background IMO. Basically a group of aristocrats that got bored of exploring on Earth (been there, done that type of thing) and so move to Malifaux to find new danger and excitement, funding expeditions into the wilds. Given we have a treasure hunter and a frontiersman as the 2 masters we know of, it's not unlikely.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I wonder if there's any link to the new faction with some of the stuff from the Other Side?
There's preview art in the back of the book of things that weren't even mentioned yet as well- The Kimon, Three Kingdoms, The Court of Two...I know some of those have ties to actual Malifaux factions already though.
All 3 of those, plus Guild, are confirmed to be the next book's worth of The Other Side factions. Wyrd are going wide and not deep with TOS, so each current faction is more-or-less done and future expansion will be new factions entirely (see also the heavy mentions of Ottomans and Russians in the fluff). It's highly likely given the faction symbol (crossed guns and a compass, seen on the pre-release Basse cards) that the new M3E faction has some tie to the Malifaux Exploration League mentioned in the Through The Breach background IMO. Basically a group of aristocrats that got bored of exploring on Earth (been there, done that type of thing) and so move to Malifaux to find new danger and excitement, funding expeditions into the wilds. Given we have a treasure hunter and a frontiersman as the 2 masters we know of, it's not unlikely.
That would be pretty cool. The Ash and Oak club for Wolsung was one of my favourites. Might even proxy some of their models if this is the case and they fit.
The Outpost just put up preorders for the new crew boxes and as a collector (and one day, player of Malifaux) I was going to pick them up but they are noticeably more expensive than the equivalent M2E crews.. about £8 more.
Have the contents of the M3E crew boxes been announced yet, either in terms of miniatures or accessories (rule sheet, cards, tokens etc) that might explain this, or is it just a case of Things Are More Expensive in 2019?
The upcoming new releases and their prices are listed at the bottom of that Wyrd Games newsletter. It seems that all the Matser boxes are either $50 or $45 which is in line with the Malifaux boxes in the past.
It seems that basically all the old Master boxes that were originally $45 are being upped to $50 with most of the boxes remaining at $50. It may be important to note that $45 Master Boxes were rather uncommon. Some, like Jady Justice, can be justified as having new models. Youko's Master Box, however, is launching at $45.
Prices in USD, of course. I'm surprised your retailer is selling them for 8 GBP more considering Wyrd's site is listing them as basically remaining the same in USD prices.
Wonder if her release will make it into the sale window, would happily pick up.
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