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So about £40-ish. Yeah, that isn't bad. As someone who doesn't play regularly/at all these days I think I'll pass, but the value is certainly there for a newcomer to the game. At a guess, that and a crew box for each side would probably get you a full (if a little inflexible) force.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
What I'm hoping is that it makes demos easier. My circle has been very reticent at stepping outside the 40K/fantasy comfort zone. If I can show up with a few minis, a bunch of terrain and show them the ropes... that might be a good place to start.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Hmmn, never really liked the character art on the fate decks-- feels recycled and not very theme-y... which I guess is why I still use my ratty 1st gen deck.
Also, since when is it 4/7 for the band? End of beta it was all 7 IIRC...
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Post by: Mr Morden
Cards look pretty good and nice they have explanations on them
The starter set looks a like a good thing - not keen on many of the models but like that they are mercs
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Post by: ImAGeek
I dunno how impressed I am with the starter; the models definitely are nothing spectacular. I like the doctor with his little bone saw though.
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Post by: -Loki-
ImAGeek wrote:I dunno how impressed I am with the starter; the models definitely are nothing spectacular. Again, I'm fairly sure this is due to the complexity of the average Malifaux model. It's not uncommon to get basic minions that are 7-8 pieces, with ridiculous things like 2 part heads, separate feet, and arms so small you need tweezers to hold them. For a starter set that's aimed at bringing in new people - including those new to wargaming entirely, this sort of model complexity in the starter would be pretty disastrous. While the Black Blood Scion is on the super basic side, the rest seem good for 3-4 part plastic models. They seem about on par with their first wave 1 starters like Lilith and Pandora. It's just that since those, the models have gotten a lot more dynamic and thus, far more complex to build. Automatically Appended Next Post: Shifting Loyalties cover. Hayreddin the Nephilim Reserectionist.
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Post by: ImAGeek
-Loki- wrote: ImAGeek wrote:I dunno how impressed I am with the starter; the models definitely are nothing spectacular.
Again, I'm fairly sure this is due to the complexity of the average Malifaux model. It's not uncommon to get basic minions that are 7-8 pieces, with ridiculous things like 2 part heads, separate feet, and arms so small you need tweezers to hold them. For a starter set that's aimed at bringing in new people - including those new to wargaming entirely, this sort of model complexity in the starter would be pretty disastrous. While the Black Blood Scion is on the super basic side, the rest seem good for 3-4 part plastic models.
They seem about on par with their first wave 1 starters like Lilith and Pandora. It's just that since those, the models have gotten a lot more dynamic and thus, far more complex to build.
That's fine, but I'm still not overly impressed with them. But surely it's just as offputting having a nice easy to build starter, and then the next kit they buy being really complex, than having a complex first kit? Or almost as bad anyway; if they think the rest of the models will be like the starter ones to build and then they're suddenly a lot more difficult is that not going to put some people off still? Maybe not, and there definitely needs to be the balance between accessibility and looking awesome in a starter, I guess I was just expecting more of the looking awesome without worrying about the accessibility.
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Post by: Baragash
-Loki- wrote:Again, I'm fairly sure this is due to the complexity of the average Malifaux model. It's not uncommon to get basic minions that are 7-8 pieces, with ridiculous things like 2 part heads, separate feet, and arms so small you need tweezers to hold them. For a starter set that's aimed at bringing in new people - including those new to wargaming entirely, this sort of model complexity in the starter would be pretty disastrous. While the Black Blood Scion is on the super basic side, the rest seem good for 3-4 part plastic models.
Truth. Whilst someone who is a newbie in the sense of being a wargamer but not a Malifaux player could handle it, if they want the broadest possible appeal they don't "true" newbies trying to stick tiny bits of piping on Joss, for example. AlI can say is that once upon a time I had grey carpet and thank feth it's a wooden floor now.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I actually very much love the complexity of Malifaux models. Occasionally, like Misaki's crew or Ironsides's crew, it becomes problematic when there are no instructions.
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Post by: -Loki-
ImAGeek wrote: -Loki- wrote: ImAGeek wrote:I dunno how impressed I am with the starter; the models definitely are nothing spectacular.
Again, I'm fairly sure this is due to the complexity of the average Malifaux model. It's not uncommon to get basic minions that are 7-8 pieces, with ridiculous things like 2 part heads, separate feet, and arms so small you need tweezers to hold them. For a starter set that's aimed at bringing in new people - including those new to wargaming entirely, this sort of model complexity in the starter would be pretty disastrous. While the Black Blood Scion is on the super basic side, the rest seem good for 3-4 part plastic models.
They seem about on par with their first wave 1 starters like Lilith and Pandora. It's just that since those, the models have gotten a lot more dynamic and thus, far more complex to build.
That's fine, but I'm still not overly impressed with them. But surely it's just as offputting having a nice easy to build starter, and then the next kit they buy being really complex, than having a complex first kit? Or almost as bad anyway; if they think the rest of the models will be like the starter ones to build and then they're suddenly a lot more difficult is that not going to put some people off still? Maybe not, and there definitely needs to be the balance between accessibility and looking awesome in a starter, I guess I was just expecting more of the looking awesome without worrying about the accessibility.
It's not like this is uncommon. A good example is GWs starters. Push fit models in repeated poses, while the majority of their models are multipose with lots of variability in posing.
The simple starter models are to get you into the game. Slap them together and start flipping cards. Once you're into it, the complexity ramps up.
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Absolutionis wrote:I actually very much love the complexity of Malifaux models. Occasionally, like Misaki's crew or Ironsides's crew, it becomes problematic when there are no instructions.
Me too (to an extent, some models are just ridiculous). But, again, you were obviously experienced when you started building them. Give someone utterly new to the hobby a So'mer box and it'll probably go in the bin before they ever flip a card.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I get your point, I think I just got myself excited for some really amazing sculpts to draw players in that way and didn't think about the logistics of a new player building some of the trickier models.
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Post by: -Loki-
Oh I get that, and I think they could have done better. Dark Vengeance really showed what can be done with push fit models - the Chaos Chosen were incredible. It looks like they might not have even wanted 2 part bodies, probably going to be single part body, legs and feet, with separate arms and head. But, they'd had so many problems in the past with their guys in China doing absurd cutting of models, they might have been a bit gunshy on making these more complex. The Scion of Black Blood is pretty average. No two ways about it. Boring pose, not much going on. The Orderlies, Bloodwreches and Nurse I think will paint up a treat. I really do like the Doc and Angel Eyes, who I think is the standout and would stand nicely alongeside anything currently in the Nephlim set.
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
God dammit, no other company are even close to hurting my wallet as much as Wyrd.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I hear you. I have been on a very, very tight budget all year when it comes to minis. And no one will play Malifaux with me, but during GenCon, I am going to splurge on their website for sure. Even if I have to wait a few weeks to get everything.
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Post by: houshin
It's funny, I cut my teeth with Malifaux Gremlins (I still don't have a fishing rod Bayou made) so some of the others have been less of a problem so far.
Well it's off to ebay to sell a laptop, my Magic the Gathering stuff and what I have left of Fantasy to fund the Gencon Sale at the end of the month. I really hope the performer is still available in some form. After getting completely taken apart by Collette I want to have a go with her that crew.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
I doubt the performer will be available, but you could just buy the Collete Crew, or Dark Carnival Crew which is an Alternative Collete Crew  !
2 Choices for one Crew is pretty cool
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Post by: -Loki-
The performer is getting pretty cheap on ebay these days.
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Post by: -Loki-
Plastcraft are doing Bayou terrain now. it's also from their pre-coloured range. I've been holding off buying the current Malifauc stuff in the hope they push it to pre-coloured, so I'll make do with this while I want for the other terrain.
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Post by: houshin
The last time I checked the Performer from the last set of sales was going for about £50. Will keep an eye out for it though.
Loving the Plasticraft swamp board. Any idea how much this is going to cost?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
If it's like the previous release, the buildings will be on sale and the board is just to show how it'd look.
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Post by: -Loki-
Yeah, from that, I'd say the train station buildings, walkways and shack on the walkway will be PVC buildings. The tracks and some of the clutter peices probably resin. Some of the clutter might come with one of the smaller buildings, there's a barricade that looks thin, like PVC sheet.
Cost, no clue. The coloured sets are more pricey than the normal sets.
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Post by: houshin
I've just grabbed some Troll Trader MDF scenery as well. I will keep an eye on this though. The pre-painted option sounds good though.
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Post by: -Loki-
I've become a recent convert to Plastcraft. I prefer it a lot over MDF. My Infinity terrain is mostly MDF, but I grabbed a bunch of Plastcrafts Bourak buildings and they went together really well. A lot better to work with, and superglue gives a very solid join, unlike PVA with MDF. Mostly I just hate painting terrain. So I'll grab this Bayou terrain, and wait to see if the regular Malifaux terrain goes into the Coloured range before I grab some.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
houshin wrote:The last time I checked the Performer from the last set of sales was going for about £50. Will keep an eye out for it though.
Loving the Plasticraft swamp board. Any idea how much this is going to cost?
I'd hold off on buying a performer until you see if she's available at Gencon. For the last couple of sales, the plastic LE's that were only available as an exclusive for ordering a certain dollar amount were available for individual purchase.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Haven't seen the new Kaeris box pop up on Dakka yet:
Couldn't tell you about street date ...
- Salvage
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Post by: Paradigm
OK, that's kind of smegging awesome!
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Post by: ImAGeek
July 31st is the release date atm.
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Post by: Paradigm
Wayland have the starter up for preorder. Only £36, which is a damn good deal if you want all/most of the contents.
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/malifaux-essentials/24666-malifaux-2nd-edition-starter-set
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Gencon Stuff
DarkCarnival.png•WYR21032 - Nightmare Edition Dark Carnival - $90.00
Also available early at Gen Con•WYR20619 - Hog Wild - Ulix Crew - $45.00
•WYR20621 - Explosive Solutions - Wong Crew - $45.00
•WYR20623 - The Bushwhackers - Mah Tucket Crew - $45.00
•WYR20711 - Temple of Dawn - Shenlong Crew - $45.00
•WYR20904 - Crossroads 7 - $60.00
•WYR20118 - Abuela - $16.00
•WYR20122 - Brutal Effigy - $11.00
•WYR20225 - Carrion Effigy - $11.00
•WYR20226 - Gaki (3 Pack) - $21.00
•WYR20325 - Mannequins & Performers (4 pack) - $24.00
•WYR20327 - Arcane Effigy - $11.00
•WYR20419 - Carver - $18.00
•WYR20423 - Mysterious Effigy - $11.00
•WYR20425 - Iggy - $11.00
•WYR20524 - Hodgepodge Effigy - $11.00
•WYR20526 - The Guilty (3 Pack) - $24.00
•WYR20620 - Wild Boars (3 Pack) - $21.00
•WYR20622 - Lightning Bugs (3 Pack) - $21.00
•WYR20624 - Bayou Bushwhackers (3 Pack) - $21.00
•WYR20712 - Monk of High River (3 Pack) - $21.00
•WYR20713 - Lone Swordsman - $11.00
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Post by: Absolutionis
Mannequins and Performers being released before the Collette box?
Also for those that participated in the buy $60 at LGS dealie, my Johana just came in today. Seems they should be arriving for people around now-ish.
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Post by: -Loki-
Ouch. $90us for Dark Carnival? I think I might skip it. That's a bit rich me for a crew that probably won't hit the table.
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Post by: Breotan
I'm still not sure if I want to go this route or steal terrain from Escape from Goblin Town and go that way. Both have their merits but unfortunately probably clash on the same table together.
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Post by: cincydooley
Gonna be an expensive GenCon for me with Malifaux.
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Post by: Breotan
Yea, I'm not getting the Dark Carnival but I do want that Miss Anne Thrope for my Relic Hunters and I think The Crossroads Seven and Smoke and Mirrors should get me there. I just wish they'd let us order some of the other LE figures that came out previously.
Also, what's up with the effigies?
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Post by: cincydooley
Breotan wrote:Yea, I'm not getting the Dark Carnival but I do want that Miss Anne Thrope for my Relic Hunters and I think The Crossroads Seven and Smoke and Mirrors should get me there. I just wish they'd let us order some of the other LE figures that came out previously.
Also, what's up with the effigies?
I was a fan of the Dark Carnival until I saw that it was $90. A little too rich for my blood. :/
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Post by: Breotan
Yea, that's a $40 premium just for some alt figures. :(
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Post by: -Loki-
Game or fluff?
In the game, each faction gets one. They're tough little puppets with some off-beat special rules. In the fluff, Zoraida made them to infiltrate and work against their faction, but after the events of the Red Cage which also caused the avatars to manifest, they took on a life of their own. There will be a new Emissary model for each faction, that the Effigies evolve into during the game. Sort of shifts the Avatar mechanic off the Master and onto the Effigy. Emissaries will be large, centerpeice models.
Avatars are still in, but campaign only, and basically are just a bunch of additional buffs for the master when activated and change the master to be on a 50mm base. The old models are no longer used, but can be used for Emissaries if you want.
I'm likely going to be grabbing Mah Tucket, Colette and the Crossroads Seven. I really do want Dark Carnival, but not $120au want it.
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Post by: Absolutionis
It's also a very large boxed set.
Most boxed sets are a Master, a 3-pack of Minions, and two other Henchmen/Enforcers/Peons.
Seems that this Nightmare edition has three additional models beyond the norm. Whether or not that justifies $40 is debatable.
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Post by: cincydooley
Absolutionis wrote:It's also a very large boxed set.
Most boxed sets are a Master, a 3-pack of Minions, and two other Henchmen/Enforcers/Peons.
Seems that this Nightmare edition has three additional models beyond the norm. Whether or not that justifies $40 is debatable.
It has no more models than regular Colette box.
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Post by: -Loki-
Yeah, Dark Carnival is a mirror of Smoke and Mirrors. Same units, just alternate models and cards. It's got more than the norm for models because Smoke and Mirrors does. It's 2x the price for alternate models. Not that I mind. LE models being expensive isn't new, and Tara was $90 as well. It's basically just sticker shock. Should have expected it, but I just didn't. That said, it doesn't change the fact that $90 is a wee bit much for me.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
cincydooley wrote: Breotan wrote:Yea, I'm not getting the Dark Carnival but I do want that Miss Anne Thrope for my Relic Hunters and I think The Crossroads Seven and Smoke and Mirrors should get me there. I just wish they'd let us order some of the other LE figures that came out previously.
Also, what's up with the effigies?
I was a fan of the Dark Carnival until I saw that it was $90. A little too rich for my blood. :/
It's about on par, and much better than the crappy trees from a few years back. Plastic kits cost the same to tool regardless of how many units they sell. With standard editions, that cost is spread over sales for years to come. For the Gen Con edition, it's over a more limited number. Thus the cost is diffused amongst a smaller base, and a higher price per unit.
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-Loki- wrote:
I'm likely going to be grabbing Mah Tucket, Colette and the Crossroads Seven. I really do want Dark Carnival, but not $120au want it.
Don't you guys have discount online shops over there? To me, buying from Wyrd means I'm paying 30% more for the "privilege". The only thing worth buying is LE models. Otherwise I can get them at a significant discount a few months later. I'd skip the sets you can get cheaper later to get the thing you can only get at Gencon, but that's just me.
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Post by: -Loki-
Bossk_Hogg wrote:Don't you guys have discount online shops over there? To me, buying from Wyrd means I'm paying 30% more for the "privilege". The only thing worth buying is LE models. Otherwise I can get them at a significant discount a few months later. I'd skip the sets you can get cheaper later to get the thing you can only get at Gencon, but that's just me. The LE models are only worth it if you personally perceive the contents to be worth it. I want the Nightmare Hanging Trees because I really like them, and want to base them as a terrain piece. I like Dark Carnival, but I also like Colette, so I was looking at both. Dark Carnival would not be hitting the table though, so the perceived value is much lower. They're nice simply as collectibles, but that price is a bit rich for that for me. But then, I also have a LOT to paint right now. So simply getting Dark Carnival and the Mysterious Effigy is the way to go. I just don't know - the sticker shock threw me. I'll see how I feel when I jump onto the webstore during the sale.
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Post by: houshin
While I started totaling up what I would like it soon came to $300. So I need to be sensible about this. I might try and grab a full set of effigies as they all look cool little guys. Explosive Solutions and Kaeris are a must for me as well. From there I want a 3rd Wave book as I am planning on starting a campaign at the local club. Then it all depends if there is a free miniature at the $200 mark.
Oh and maybe a couple of tees as well.
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Post by: -Loki-
You know what? Screw it. I'll be kicking myself if I don't get it. Dark Carnival and a Neverborn tee will get me the Miss model.
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Post by: solkan
For what it's worth, the explanation for the pricing on Nightmare Carnival has been given as:
http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/109517-upcoming-releases-and-gencon/page-3#entry860167
yea, but it's twice the price of a regular crew box. I could kind of understand if it was made of clear resin or included oversized miniatures, or all new stats, or something to make it super special, but this is basically just a regular crew box. Why should we have to pay $40 more just because it's a con exclusive?
For the simple fact that we will never sell as many of these as the rest of the box sets due to the nature of the product. A regular release can have the funds made back over time through continued release. Nightmare Editions don't go to general release via LGS's and by their very nature, are NOT any cheaper to produce than a regular set, sometimes a bit more if it requires multiple tools due to layout (as this one does).
While we hope that everyone can and will enjoy them, we understand that not everyone will, and some will chose otherwise not to partake (perfectly understandable!), but where as we can expect X to sell over time through distribution, these you can't count on in the least, and their cost, like it or not, reflects that.
Personally, if I can afford it, I'm going to be buying both Nightmare Carnival and Smoke & Mirrors, and mixing the two sets.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
-Loki- wrote:Bossk_Hogg wrote:Don't you guys have discount online shops over there? To me, buying from Wyrd means I'm paying 30% more for the "privilege". The only thing worth buying is LE models. Otherwise I can get them at a significant discount a few months later. I'd skip the sets you can get cheaper later to get the thing you can only get at Gencon, but that's just me.
The LE models are only worth it if you personally perceive the contents to be worth it.
Quite true. I was just discussing the reason why LE's cost more than standard boxes.
I want the Nightmare Hanging Trees because I really like them, and want to base them as a terrain piece.
Have you seen them in person? I ask because they are their first generation plastics, and the detail is really soft and the texture looks more like a tree made out of gummy or clay. Plus the ropes snap if you look at them. Mine arrived with 2 broken on the sprue. IMO, they require a lot of work to make them not look terrible. For the price, I wish I instead snagged a couple of GW's Citadel Woods (which are more detailed) and have $40 to spare.
If you like them, that's cool. Just giving you a heads up in case you haven't got a good look at them.
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Post by: cincydooley
I get the costs requirements on the LEs. Still doesn't make that sticker shock any less.
Especially since we all know the nightmare editions will be available again, perhaps Black Friday, or on some other sale that they have.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
cincydooley wrote:I get the costs requirements on the LEs. Still doesn't make that sticker shock any less.
Especially since we all know the nightmare editions will be available again, perhaps Black Friday, or on some other sale that they have.
They will, of course, but it doesn't make the tooling cost any less, and let's face it, fewer of them get sold, because they only sell them twice/three times a year for a limited window.
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Post by: Gertjan
I guess the price on Dark Carnival was to be expected, still was hoping for less. Might actually give it a pass depending on my mood during Gencon as it'll be difficult to play in theme without having to do some proxying. If it was just 90 plus shipping it would be ok, but the possible taxes etc added to it make it a bit too much sadly enough.
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Post by: Laemos
Order from the web store.
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Post by: AngryMojo
Looks like I'll be able to nab my Dead Rider before Nova.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
We'll see you there.
Keep in mind that there could be a delay in shipping due to the massive amount of orders and also most of the staff being at the con... If you need him by then, it might be best to find someone attending the con to get it for you.
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Post by: Wise Guy Sam
Yep, just while they setup for GenCon.
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Post by: AngryMojo
Valhallan42nd wrote:Keep in mind that there could be a delay in shipping due to the massive amount of orders and also most of the staff being at the con... If you need him by then, it might be best to find someone attending the con to get it for you.
That's the plan. Last year it took me until almost October to get my GenCon order.
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Post by: -Loki-
Didn't take that long to get mine, but I made my order really early. I think I got mine sometime late August. They probably process them in the order they receive them, so if you order towards the middle or end of the weekend you're sitting behind the bulk of the orders.
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Post by: Breotan
Once Gencon gets underway, the web store should be up for ordering.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
yeah its a longstanding issue, gencon orders take a long time for them to fulfill.
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Post by: Herzlos
Breotan wrote:
I'm still not sure if I want to go this route or steal terrain from Escape from Goblin Town and go that way. Both have their merits but unfortunately probably clash on the same table together.
I've gone the Goblin Town route (because I wanted the Dwarves and it was half price), and it has a lot of bones. Lots and lots of skulls and bones.
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Post by: AngryMojo
Herzlos wrote:I've gone the Goblin Town route (because I wanted the Dwarves and it was half price), and it has a lot of bones. Lots and lots of skulls and bones.
Makes me want to make a swamp set. We've had plans for a while on it, just need to go forward and get the design work done.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
AngryMojo wrote: Valhallan42nd wrote:Keep in mind that there could be a delay in shipping due to the massive amount of orders and also most of the staff being at the con... If you need him by then, it might be best to find someone attending the con to get it for you.
That's the plan. Last year it took me until almost October to get my GenCon order.
That's unusual, but IIRC there was an inventory problem with 1-2 items. I cant remember which ones, but if your order contained them, you were stuck waiting until they came in. Normally it takes longer, but not THAT much longer.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Bossk_Hogg wrote:AngryMojo wrote: Valhallan42nd wrote:Keep in mind that there could be a delay in shipping due to the massive amount of orders and also most of the staff being at the con... If you need him by then, it might be best to find someone attending the con to get it for you.
That's the plan. Last year it took me until almost October to get my GenCon order.
That's unusual, but IIRC there was an inventory problem with 1-2 items. I cant remember which ones, but if your order contained them, you were stuck waiting until they came in. Normally it takes longer, but not THAT much longer.
Massive delays seem to happen every year!
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Post by: AngryMojo
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:I've had this happen every time I've ordered during their presales. Now I just give scratch to the peeps going to the convention. I do, however, wonder what kind of goodies will be at NOVA.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Updated website and webstore are up. GenCon items available online now!
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Post by: Alpharius
Links!
We need links!
We demand links!
Please?
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
$90 for the Dark Carnival? Ouch. If you want one get one now as people will try and make a killing on auction sites.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
my gf is picking one up for me at the con
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Post by: -Loki-
I'll be grabbing Dark Carnival and a Mysterious Effigy to bring it over $100. Maybe a Lucky Effigy too for my Gremlins. Automatically Appended Next Post: Didn't see these. BoLS has the art for the Emmisaries. I really, really like the Neverborn and Gremlin concepts. Archanist and Resser are okay. Ten Thunders is a pretty sterotypical Asian dragon. Not a fan of Guild or Outcast.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:$90 for the Dark Carnival? Ouch. If you want one get one now as people will try and make a killing on auction sites.
They should also have them during the Black Friday sale, if the follow the same pattern as last year.
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
Good god I could spend some money here.
I've had the cart at $400 dollars before I closed it out of fear.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Yes, I could spend too. But with the exchange rate, a single LE mini isn't worth paying 30% on everything when I can support a FLGS on top of that.
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Post by: wana10
Some pictures have been put online showing a special dark carnival coryphee will be released on black friday.
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Post by: Gertjan
wana10 wrote:Some pictures have been put online showing a special dark carnival coryphee will be released on black friday.
Hmm, you have a link somewhere, that's part of why I'm still a bit on the fence with dark carnival, since it'll need more to work properly as a crew and it really should stay in theme for it to be worth it.
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Post by: wana10
here's the image.
also the pics for all the emissaries are out. not thrilled with the ressers one unfortunately but i do like the guild and the arcanists.
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Post by: Gertjan
Thanks, that makes it a done deal, have to have the dark carnival.
I kind of like the Rezzer emissary, the TT one however is sort of disappointing :( . The Greemlin and presumably outcasts on the donkey are the winners for me though, to bad I play neither
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Oof, hopefully they just sell the Coryphee rather than having them be the $100/$150 pack in bonus, since you generally need multiples.
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Post by: -Loki-
I like where they're going with the Dark Carnival set.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Theres also word of a new game called "The Other Side" that shares the same setting as Malifaux, but apparrently on the opposite end of the breach (i.e. Earth). Some hints that it may be compatible with Malifaux in some capacity ala Warmachine/Hordes
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Post by: Dr. What
chaos0xomega wrote:Theres also word of a new game called "The Other Side" that shares the same setting as Malifaux, but apparrently on the opposite end of the breach (i.e. Earth). Some hints that it may be compatible with Malifaux in some capacity ala Warmachine/Hordes
What we know so far is that it'll have a few new factions and everything the staff is talking about hints towards a very WarhaHordes style of compatibility.
Necromancy doesn't work Earthside, but we know there are more corporate powers beyond the Guild (which we know from Into the Steam) that are all allied. So now we get the Malifaux universe's version of WWI, but it's humans vs. Neverborn or tyrants coming through new breaches.
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Dr. What wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:Theres also word of a new game called "The Other Side" that shares the same setting as Malifaux, but apparrently on the opposite end of the breach (i.e. Earth). Some hints that it may be compatible with Malifaux in some capacity ala Warmachine/Hordes What we know so far is that it'll have a few new factions and everything the staff is talking about hints towards a very WarhaHordes style of compatibility. Necromancy doesn't work Earthside, but we know there are more corporate powers beyond the Guild (which we know from Into the Steam) that are all allied. So now we get the Malifaux universe's version of WWI, but it's humans vs. Neverborn or tyrants coming through new breaches. omg omg omg omg omg omg Does Wyrd want me to have any money left? Or just email them my account details?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Man, as much as I enjoy Malifaux, I've been trying to pare down my collection to something manageable... IDK if I have energy for another system.
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
The greatest plastic figure maker is bringing out more? I'll get the wallet
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Post by: Dr. What
spiralingcadaver wrote:Man, as much as I enjoy Malifaux, I've been trying to pare down my collection to something manageable... IDK if I have energy for another system.
Theoretically, they should be very interchangable and you should be able to use the same models. However, who can actually resist these?
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They've got Black Friday to put out the majority of what remains of Wave 2 (the Warstore has everything up for preorder through January), then Gencon has what remains of Wave 3 by then (if anything) and The Other Side gets it's launch, basically what M3E would probably have been.
And in case anybody missed them:
Tara's new Henchman, the Scion of the Void (who fluctuated heavily in the beta):
The Scorpius (it was the Basilisk in the beta, but now it's a rogue amalgamation that Marcus took control of):
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Master Queeg (Guild Henchman/Guardsman/Black Sheep):
Guild Mounted Guard:
Guild Sanctioned Spellcaster:
TT Obsidian Oni:
Neverborn/Mimic Changeling:
Outcast's Big Jake (I think I'm keeping my TTB John Wayne with Dog model though):
Arcanist Wind Gamin:
Arcanist Ice Dancer (which was an absolute terror in the beta):
Outcast's Winged Plague (not the bats everyone expected):
Neverborn Turned Ressurectionist Nephilim, Hayreddin (almost exactly what he was in the beta):
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Post by: -Loki-
I assume they will be parallel games, both supported at the same time like Warmachine and Hordes? This is what I've wanted Infinity to do. Have a lower model count, detailed skirmish game and a parallel larger scale game. The fact Wyrd is doing that is fantastic.
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Post by: ImAGeek
This parallel game sounds amazing.
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Post by: -Loki-
Aaron Darland just posted on the Wyrd forums. New game. Malifaux universe. Warmahordes scale. Card Driven. Not compatible. Didn't clarify what 'not compatible' means, but I'm assuming the units in each game will stick to their own game.
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
Still..
Jaw-droppingly good minis + Company with proven record of decent and balanced rules = TAKE MY MONIES.
The WM/H stuff was always going on eBay, but now it's even more important I get rid!
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Post by: -Loki-
I cannot wait to see what they do with large scale model kits. Some massive Neverborn monstrosities and huge hulking human machines. They already beat the tar out of GW on plastic infantry sized models, I want to see them take them to school on large kits, which are still GW's domain.
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Post by: Paradigm
So by 'Warmahordes Scale' are they referring to larger models or a higher model count?
Because if it's the latter, and if it has multi-pose plastic kits and decent rules, then Holy New Best Thing Ever, Batman!
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Post by: -Loki-
Paradigm wrote:So by 'Warmahordes Scale' are they referring to larger models or a higher model count?
Because if it's the latter, and if it has multi-pose plastic kits and decent rules, then Holy New Best Thing Ever, Batman!
Malifaux is already 32mm, the same scale as Warmachine. Though not heroic 32mm.
So I'd guess in terms of model count. A few small squads, a character or two, a few large models in a game.
Very exciting idea.
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Post by: Paradigm
-Loki- wrote: Paradigm wrote:So by 'Warmahordes Scale' are they referring to larger models or a higher model count?
Because if it's the latter, and if it has multi-pose plastic kits and decent rules, then Holy New Best Thing Ever, Batman!
Malifaux is already 32mm, the same scale as Warmachine. Though not heroic 32mm.
So I'd guess in terms of model count. A few small squads, a character or two, a few large models in a game.
Very exciting idea.
So who do I see about selling my soul for minis?
That kind of game size really is my sweet spot, Wyrd minis are basically the best out there, their rules are tight and the setting/style has so much potential... This really could be epic!
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Gertjan wrote:... the TT one however is sort of disappointing :(
Been hearing that a lot, but I'm actually a fan of him, takes the swirly Asian dragon motif, beefs out his limbs and has him stand upright. I dig it. That said, Arcanist electro-cow continues to be the most impressive.
Dr. What wrote:TT Obsidian Oni
I'm so happy Wave 3 is pushing the Oni side of TT. Easily my favorite part of the Thunders, and gives me more things to field that feel exclusively TT, rather then on loan from other factions.
- Salvage
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Post by: Gertjan
I don't know, they could have done so much more with it than just a big version of a Dawn Serpent imo, I would have liked it more if they had properly gone down the Asian demon path for the emissary.
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Post by: overtyrant
Just ordered the Dark Carnival set from the webstore, then noticed shen long was there, been wanting him for ages so I added his crew box as well lol!
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Post by: Dr. What
Boss Salvage wrote:
Dr. What wrote:TT Obsidian Oni
I'm so happy Wave 3 is pushing the Oni side of TT. Easily my favorite part of the Thunders, and gives me more things to field that feel exclusively TT, rather then on loan from other factions.
- Salvage
Which gives us an Oni Henchman, totem, and 2 minions. I smell an Oni master or some upcoming Oni synergy in the next wave.
As for the Emissary...eh. I kitbashed the old Avatar Hoffman to make mine (giant scrapdragon).
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Post by: -Loki-
Since nobody has thought to post it. Wyrd are doing a world wide event that is going to move the story forward. Nythera: A Worldwide Event. Works like the old GW worldwide campaigns. You register as a faction, and when you and your opponent play, you declare a region you're fighitng in. Log victories on their website. As a bonus, Through the Breach is included with a set of 3 one shot adventures with pre-made Fated. When you register the results, they give you a new adventure (I'm assuming there's set end points, and the follow up adventures are based on your ending). The prize for the players who win the most Malifaux games is the chance to name the faction for the Nightmare box (first prize) and Miss model (second prize) at next years GenCon. The Through the Breach prizes sound interesting. The outcomes of the adventures will determine how the story progresses, and determine which Fated will become a Malifaux character. edit - correction, results need to be registered through Henchmen. I guess that's to stop random people stacking results. How to register results without a Henchman (lets face it, this game isn't that popular that there's Henchmen everywhere) will be revealed later.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Oh yeah. I remember a long time ago that they had another event and the Arcanists won. They were supposed to get an alternate sculpt for Kaeris.
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Post by: Gertjan
As far as I can remeber they did get an alternate sculpt, not sure when it came out anymore but there's two plastic versions of Kaeris floating about. The one that comes in the current boxed set and one that was released seperately some time ago (think black friday or something, not entirely sure anymore).
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Many new previews in the few months. We have seen 5 of the 7 Emissary sculpts. The only two not seen are the Brutal and Hodgepodge.
Fermented River Monks
Spawn Mother & Gupps
Large Arachnids
Stitched Together
Arcane Emissary
Shadow Emissary
Lucky Emissary
Carrion Emissary
Mysterious Emissary
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Oh look, Wyrd decided to finally release their plastic Lord of Change. Wait...
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
How big are those emissary going to be?
I'm guessing 50mm bases, right? Some mighty tempting designs there...
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Post by: Whumbachumba
highlord tamburlaine wrote:How big are those emissary going to be?
I'm guessing 50mm bases, right? Some mighty tempting designs there...
The emissaries are all on 50mm bases, yes. We don't know scale yet as they don't put them on their bases in the preview.
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Post by: Theophony
That shadow emmisary could be my first Malifaux figure.
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Post by: Sarouan
The mysterious emissary is just awesome. I must have it!
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Post by: Binabik15
Every time I check their site I want to buy a few dozen models. Luckily I stood fast and only got the Executioners for CSM servitor conversions. But that Carrion Emissary. I need it. Way better than the Mierce Ravenmen.
How long does it take for the previewed models to turn up at retail?
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Post by: Paradigm
Have we heard anything more about the Other Side game recently? I've not been following Wyrd news recently, but I'm still looking forward to that one.
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Post by: Alpharius
Binabik15 wrote:Every time I check their site I want to buy a few dozen models. Luckily I stood fast and only got the Executioners for CSM servitor conversions. But that Carrion Emissary. I need it. Way better than the Mierce Ravenmen.
I understand the whole personal taste thing and all that but...LOLWUT?!?
Not even close - for me!
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Sarouan wrote:The mysterious emissary is just awesome. I must have it!
It does look very cool btu might be an absolute sod to put together?
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Mr Morden wrote:It does look very cool btu might be an absolute sod to put together?
Suspicious plant pun is suspicious Lots of cool stuff here, though funnily enough my favs are probably the Gupps - Salvage
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Post by: tomjoad
Mr Morden wrote: Sarouan wrote:The mysterious emissary is just awesome. I must have it!
It does look very cool btu might be an absolute sod to put together?
Wyrd has said that the emissaries (and presumably all models going forward) will be fewer parts, and fewer TINY parts, due to them having access to better casting methods and having more experience with plastic now. Hopefully that's correct and we'll find out for sure this summer.
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Post by: Absolutionis
As an Arcanist player, I really hate the Arcane Emissary; it looks dumb. As with Envy, I'm going to need to find a decent proxy.
As much as I love the game, many Malifaux models are very hit-or-miss. It just so happens that many of my favorite models are awful misses while I end up buying models I'll never use because they look so awesome. The quality is always there; it's just the design choices that I disagree with.
I'm happy that these previews mean Wyrd is sticking to their renders in a heavily shaded look. Their older box renders and older previews were exceptionally glossy and made the model look like cheap plastic. They hid the great sculpts.
EDIT: Unfortunately, the Spawn Mother & Gupps preview seems to still have the high-gloss render.
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Post by: Binabik15
Alpharius wrote:Binabik15 wrote:Every time I check their site I want to buy a few dozen models. Luckily I stood fast and only got the Executioners for CSM servitor conversions. But that Carrion Emissary. I need it. Way better than the Mierce Ravenmen.
I understand the whole personal taste thing and all that but...LOLWUT?!?
Not even close - for me!
There's this thing called good taste, you should look it up
Nah, but their legs look off to me. And I'm looking for humanoid ravens that I can use as PP Griffon warbeasts together with a Blood Rage model that'll count as Una the Falconer. That model is the Raven Clan shaman/hag and she wears a rope, has a sickle, heck, I think she's carrying a pot around. The emissary model has robes and a sickle (even some sort of skull brazier that looks a bit like a pot, but I'd remove thatp). It's a good fit, I think.
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Post by: Alpharius
Binabik15 wrote: Alpharius wrote:Binabik15 wrote:Every time I check their site I want to buy a few dozen models. Luckily I stood fast and only got the Executioners for CSM servitor conversions. But that Carrion Emissary. I need it. Way better than the Mierce Ravenmen.
I understand the whole personal taste thing and all that but...LOLWUT?!?
Not even close - for me!
There's this thing called good taste, you should look it up
Nah, but their legs look off to me. And I'm looking for humanoid ravens that I can use as PP Griffon warbeasts together with a Blood Rage model that'll count as Una the Falconer. That model is the Raven Clan shaman/hag and she wears a rope, has a sickle, heck, I think she's carrying a pot around. The emissary model has robes and a sickle (even some sort of skull brazier that looks a bit like a pot, but I'd remove thatp). It's a good fit, I think.
You sure you don't need me to look it up for you?
All kidding aside, the "Wyrd" version is pretty good too - at least as a render.
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Post by: Binabik15
At least it doesn't have bird boobs  and the wings are so static looking. Poses of 1 and 5 are good, the rest are a bit stiff.
Feel free to send me a couple and prove me totally wrong, though, one birdie won't cut it, anyway, and I'm a fan of Mr. Chaudon's work in general. Before I saw that render I was actually thinking about getting one or two of those guys, but for their price I better love every ruffled feather on them.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Just so you don't feel like you're taking crazy pills Alph, I love me those ravenfolk. Don't think I realized there was a full squad of five now? Lovely stuff.
All kidding aside, the "Wyrd" version is pretty good too - at least as a render.
Yea, Carrie's not bad either. Beaks with teeth leave me a bit cold, and if those are blades in her wings then I'mma have to roll my eyes like I do every time I see Belakor (or a number of GW baddies with stuff-stuck-in-their-wings), however I'm excited to see it in the plastic.
Also, I'm excited to never have to build the Lucky Emissary
- Salvage, who doesn't know it yet but will be picking up Grems next
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Hodgepodge Emissary preview out today. A preview for something unknown and a new story encounter box for Arcanists and Ten Thunders. I've not seen anything about The Other Side or an upcoming Easter Sale.
Hodgepodge Emissary:
Unknown preview:
The Tortoise and The Hare Story Encounter: (Large photos inside)
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Post by: Absolutionis
I play both Arcanists and 10T, so I got excited when I heard about this. I don't understand the point of this Tortoise and Hare encounter. They have factions, but they can be taken by any faction, but only if the scenario allows for it? Avatars were at least cooler, in a way; at least they're centerpieces to a collection.
With the Hodgepodge Emissary, Tortoise, and Hare, I'm happy to see Wyrd exploring more design space regarding attaching specific upgrades over the course of the game. "Effects" that last until the end of the game with conditional triggers (Hare damage enemy or Tortoise defend well) are great design space.
Then again, it's better for Malifaux if they don't force people to buy the entire boxed set of Crossroads 20 or the Starter Set if they want to just use one model from it.
Those creepy-chubby-fairies are awesome!
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Post by: str00dles1
Personally, im really tied of wyrd releasing models that you can only use in a specific mission. They are always really cool models and cards, but I have no reason to buy/paint them.
The carver, would love to use it, but cant
Male Rasputina guy in the crossroads book, again could make a model for him with male upgrade kit but cant use him
Now this.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
I look forward to using Genbu as Izamu in my Oni-centric 10T army
^ As suggested by somebody on FB. I think Luther might be a proxy Blessed?
- Salvage
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Absolutionis wrote:I play both Arcanists and 10T, so I got excited when I heard about this. I don't understand the point of this Tortoise and Hare encounter. They have factions, but they can be taken by any faction, but only if the scenario allows for it? Avatars were at least cooler, in a way; at least they're centerpieces to a collection.
With the Hodgepodge Emissary, Tortoise, and Hare, I'm happy to see Wyrd exploring more design space regarding attaching specific upgrades over the course of the game. "Effects" that last until the end of the game with conditional triggers (Hare damage enemy or Tortoise defend well) are great design space.
Then again, it's better for Malifaux if they don't force people to buy the entire boxed set of Crossroads 20 or the Starter Set if they want to just use one model from it.
Those creepy-chubby-fairies are awesome!
Both the models will come with cards for standard Malifaux Proxy models, if I heard correctly.
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The Tortoise is a counts as Izamu. I can't remember what the Hare is.
Regarding them having a faction but are useable by any crew - it's a narrative scenario. If they don't make it open, it limits who will buy them. With this logic, no one but Neverborn should be allowed to control the Carver as it is a Neverborn model and specifically a Nightmare. Automatically Appended Next Post: str00dles1 wrote:Personally, im really tied of wyrd releasing models that you can only use in a specific mission. They are always really cool models and cards, but I have no reason to buy/paint them.
The carver, would love to use it, but cant
Male Rasputina guy in the crossroads book, again could make a model for him with male upgrade kit but cant use him
Now this.
After 3 models you're tired of it? Malifaux is a narrative driven game. These sorts of things are what drew me to it. personally I want to see more. But yes, releasing them with alternate cards so there's an official way to use them outside their scenarios would be good. If love an alternate card for the Carver.
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Hare's going to be an alternate Blessed of December.
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Post by: katfude
...they come with THREE scenarios you can play AND a through the breach scenario.
That's 4 potentially unique games. I fail to see the rip off here? They're kick ass models that I will be buying and playing the scenarios and at worst will be playing as proxies for my Dreamer crew when I summon stuff.
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Post by: -Loki-
katfude wrote:That's 4 potentially unique games. I fail to see the rip off here? They're kick ass models that I will be buying and playing the scenarios and at worst will be playing as proxies for my Dreamer crew when I summon stuff.
I think the point of contention for some is the scenarios are not in the scheme and strategy deck, so are unlikely to be played in pick up games. I personally think that's a pretty narrow way of playing Malifaux - the game thrives in its narrative scenarios they give out in Chronicles and what you get with the special sets. Bring printed out scenarios and ask people to play them, you'll have a blast.
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Post by: GiraffeX
That looks very nice.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
It's a definite "paint in sections" model.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
-Loki- thanks for getting that up, forgot to do it after getting home from Malifaux Monday.  Brutal Emissary looks sweet, will need a reworked sword though.
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Post by: -Loki-
March newsletter is up, with Aprils releases. Gremlin players get properly spoiled in April. Rooster Riders, The Sow and 'Creative Taxidermy', a story encounter that has 2 Gremlin Taxidermists and 6 Stuffed Piglets.
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Post by: Binabik15
If PP ever releases releases Pyg cavalry I will use those cock fighters instead. Hilarious models.
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Post by: Absolutionis
New news regarding Malifaux from GAMA Las Vegas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/AWYRDPLACE/permalink/462134563983613/
* Book 4 will be called "Ripples of Fate"
* After Gencon 2016, there will be a worldwide campaign launched similar to Nythera, Dead Winter, and Dead Heat.
* Participating in events will get you poker chips called "Guilders". You can redeem them for goodies. More information soon.
* Next B&M store special will be a special-edition red plastic Coryphee
In the far future:
* There will be another starter box with different factions.
* Avatars will eventually be getting fancy bases, but won't be remade in plastic.
In addtion:
* There are special-edition alternate cards for masters being printed. They're foil and given to "Wyrd Henchmen", the people that demo and promote the game. They'll also be available as supplementary prizes for tournaments as part of the tournament packs. Possible mention of them being available via "guilders" (see above) sometime.
Other images here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/AWYRDPLACE/permalink/461486690715067/?hc_location=ufi
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Post by: tomjoad
I'm hoping for more pictures of what they've got to show off at their booth tomorrow. If I recall correctly, GAMA last year was our first sighting of the alt Kearis and Francisco, plus there were previews of regular stuff we didn't get until GenCon.
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Post by: -Loki-
We've known for a while Avatar models were gone and we were getting special bases. Basically there's too many masters now to do plastic master specific avatars.
Interesting that they're talking about replacing the starter set so soon. I hope they move those plastics into a story encounter rather than individual boxes, because they're perfectly suited for it. Either that, or they could do a series of starter sets. Have the same rulebook, scenarios, fate decks, etc. Just come up with a set of 4 starter models per faction and make a series of starter boxes.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
And Easter is coming... Generally there are goodies then.
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I'm really, really hoping for the gencon alternates to make an appearance. I want that alternate Barbaros  Also I'd be happy if I could get my hands on another Nightmare Coryphee.
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Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153972175550320&set=gm.462230060640730&type=3&theater
The Other Side:
* 32mm game.
* Uses cards similar to Malifaux
* Around 35 models per side.
Image of the poker chips used to redeem for prizes:
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Post by: ChaoticMind
 *Frothing drooling noises* I want The Other Side to be released allready.
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Post by: -Loki-
That huge monster looks very similar to a Nothingbeast.
I wonder who the 'bad guys' are? I assumed they'd have been Neverborn.
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Post by: streetsamurai
Cool model, but the hug-me pose of that chtulu thing is a bit gak.
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-Loki- wrote:That huge monster looks very similar to a Nothingbeast.
I wonder who the 'bad guys' are? I assumed they'd have been Neverborn.
The Nothing Beast is a manifestation of the Tyrant named "Obliteration". We can maybe assume that the Tyrants are finally making their move on Earth as Zoradia kept prophesizing?
Neverborn just want humans to get out of the city of Malifaux and their world altogether. They don't really have too much of an interest in Earth, supposedly. Plus, many of the Tyrants have actually not been aligned with the Neverborn. Plague, The Witness, Shezuul, and Obliteration influence the Outcasts (Hamelin, Jack Daw, Viks, Tara respectively). The Dragon influences the Ten Thunders. Gorgon influences Ressers. Cherufe and December have been somewhat pacified by the Guild and Arcanists respectively. Only Nytemare works with the Neverborn, and that's just through a human vessel. Meanwhile Nekima, Lilith, Pandora and the other Neverborn higher-ups take no influence from the Tyrants. Meanwhile, the Outcasts as a whole are heavily influenced by them.
Leviticus, save us.
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Oohh, I didn't consider the Tyrants being the bad guys.
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Post by: ImAGeek
They might not be final poses, and just concept maquettes or something.
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Post by: solkan
Absolutionis wrote: -Loki- wrote:That huge monster looks very similar to a Nothingbeast.
I wonder who the 'bad guys' are? I assumed they'd have been Neverborn.
The Nothing Beast is a manifestation of the Tyrant named "Obliteration". We can maybe assume that the Tyrants are finally making their move on Earth as Zoradia kept prophesizing?
Neverborn just want humans to get out of the city of Malifaux and their world altogether. They don't really have too much of an interest in Earth, supposedly. Plus, many of the Tyrants have actually not been aligned with the Neverborn. Plague, The Witness, Shezuul, and Obliteration influence the Outcasts (Hamelin, Jack Daw, Viks, Tara respectively). The Dragon influences the Ten Thunders. Gorgon influences Ressers. Cherufe and December have been somewhat pacified by the Guild and Arcanists respectively. Only Nytemare works with the Neverborn, and that's just through a human vessel. Meanwhile Nekima, Lilith, Pandora and the other Neverborn higher-ups take no influence from the Tyrants. Meanwhile, the Outcasts as a whole are heavily influenced by them.
Leviticus, save us.
If you read or listen through the encounter between Pandora and Nightmare, pay attention to Nightmare's responses. If Nightmare is a tyrant, the thing in Pandora's box is quite likely one too. Or neither of them are tyrants as such, but something comparable.
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To be fair, they specifically label Nytmare as a Tyrant on his stat card, and his background blurb names him 'the Tyrant known as Nytmare'.
I've always been curious about Pandoras Box though. Possibly Despair? That doesn't mean Pandora is a Tyrant, she's just wielding one as a weapon.
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Easter Sale.
Crap. I was holding strong against Guild, but an alternate Witchling Handler?
Still hoping that in the coloured plastics they sneak in, alternate Barbaros and Nightmare Coryphee make an appearance.
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So much of the Easter Sale list is stuff that hasn't even been previewed yet. So that's going to make a bit more of the Easter surprise.
But I think if I were making a $200 order during the sale, I'd break it into two for two handlers instead of a handler and yet another of the alternate wastrel.
-Loki- wrote:To be fair, they specifically label Nytmare as a Tyrant on his stat card, and his background blurb names him 'the Tyrant known as Nytmare'.
I've always been curious about Pandoras Box though. Possibly Despair? That doesn't mean Pandora is a Tyrant, she's just wielding one as a weapon.
The Warden and the Guild Hound both have the Guardsman label. So you can't take a label in the game for meaning that something is something else.
As for Pandora, not even the Neverborn know exactly what's going on.
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solkan wrote:So much of the Easter Sale list is stuff that hasn't even been previewed yet. So that's going to make a bit more of the Easter surprise. Yeah, they don't even have box art for the Tortoise and Hare. There's some griping about there being no Emmisarys, but I don't think they would have been ready before Gencon. solkan wrote:The Warden and the Guild Hound both have the Guardsman label. So you can't take a label in the game for meaning that something is something else. Fair enough about labels. But again, his blurb specifically names him as the Tyrant known as Nytmare. It's hard to argue that he's not a Tyrant when his background blurb says he's the Tyrant Nytmare. solkan wrote:As for Pandora, not even the Neverborn know exactly what's going on. Again, fair enough. There's plenty of weird stuff in the Neverborn faction that aren't actually indigenous inhabitants of Malifaux, like Collidi and Zoraida.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
I'm really looking forward to the Tortoise and the Hare. Great looking figs that are very much in line with the company's artistic vision. They had to be fun to make.
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Post by: anab0lic
Sucks if you want the LE models they are putting out in these sales if you live outside US...
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How so? The only difference is exchange rates and shipping. Even then, it generally comes out to a bit higher than local RRP anyway, in my experience.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
-Loki- wrote:How so? The only difference is exchange rates and shipping. Even then, it generally comes out to a bit higher than local RRP anyway, in my experience.
It's the import fees, iirc. Wyrd doesn't mark them as gifts, etc, so the import fees are considered an undue burden by some.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Valhallan42nd wrote: -Loki- wrote:How so? The only difference is exchange rates and shipping. Even then, it generally comes out to a bit higher than local RRP anyway, in my experience.
It's the import fees, iirc. Wyrd doesn't mark them as gifts, etc, so the import fees are considered an undue burden by some.
But they... arent gifts. So basically people are pissy Wyrd doesnt commit fraud on their behalf?
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Post by: GiraffeX
Valhallan42nd wrote: -Loki- wrote:How so? The only difference is exchange rates and shipping. Even then, it generally comes out to a bit higher than local RRP anyway, in my experience.
It's the import fees, iirc. Wyrd doesn't mark them as gifts, etc, so the import fees are considered an undue burden by some.
Its not the just the import fees, its the handling fees for us in the UK thats the stopper.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Valhallan42nd wrote: -Loki- wrote:How so? The only difference is exchange rates and shipping. Even then, it generally comes out to a bit higher than local RRP anyway, in my experience.
It's the import fees, iirc. Wyrd doesn't mark them as gifts, etc, so the import fees are considered an undue burden by some.
But they... arent gifts. So basically people are pissy Wyrd doesnt commit fraud on their behalf?
No, no ones pissy. But it is prohibitive to some people (myself included).
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Post by: TheWaspinator
Complain to your government, They're the ones creating the fees, not Wyrd.
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Post by: -Loki-
Australia has a current ceiling of $1,000au before import taxes are charged. I've never ordered that much stuff to qualify. ImAGeek wrote:Bossk_Hogg wrote: Valhallan42nd wrote: -Loki- wrote:How so? The only difference is exchange rates and shipping. Even then, it generally comes out to a bit higher than local RRP anyway, in my experience. It's the import fees, iirc. Wyrd doesn't mark them as gifts, etc, so the import fees are considered an undue burden by some. But they... arent gifts. So basically people are pissy Wyrd doesnt commit fraud on their behalf? No, no ones pissy. But it is prohibitive to some people (myself included). Certainly seemed like anab0lic was? Unfortunately there's no real way to hold a worldwide sale like they do for Easter/Black Friday/Gencon/etc without doing it via a central online store, which means in the end, someone will get stung by import fees. I'll be honest - Wyrd are the easiest company I've found for getting LE models. Limited models are available during certain sales and for that first sale, they're available to anyone who buys them or qualifies (in the case of order limit free models). Subsequent sales have randomly selected limited edition models in coloured plastics available, though in more limited quantities. Some show up again as order limit free models in other sales (I think this Easter sale is the first time I've seen a Miss model appear a second time as well). Some are given away for free for simply buying your product at an FLGS (you send your receipt to them and they send you the model). Some are simply stuffed into boxes as freebies as promotions (like the LE Katanaka sniper in the Shen Long crew box in its first month of sale, or the random translucent purple Dark Debts crew model in Black Blood Shaman boxes next month). Getting LE models during their first sale that they're available is definitely the most convenient and reliable way to get them, but Wyrd make them available at later dates. I haven't gotten every LE model I want from them, but I've got more than I've gotten for other systems.
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I know that. I'm not even complaining, just making a statement that the import costs for me are prohibitive.
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Post by: Baragash
I'll give Wyrd plenty of kudos from the point of view that I can get something LE I really want, unlike the way, say, Forge World do it which is an FU to people who don't live somewhere there's a convention.
I'm sure there's a way it could be done to make them available but still LE through their normal distribution channels that wouldn't be so painful on overseas end consumers.
I'm not exactly tight when it comes to miniatures but I won't even buy LE stuff for my favourite crews once all the fees etc kick in.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
More Easter Sale news here.
Special Editions
In addition to all the prereleases above, we expect to have the following special editions available (subject to change). We'll get some pictures uploaded for the new special editions soon.
War Rabbit
Hamelin Crew (Yellow Translucent)
Spawn Mother & 3 Gupps (Translucent Green)
Mindless Zombies (Translucent Green)
Kaeris Crew (Translucent Orange)
Kaeris Crew (Dayglow Orange)
Jakob Lynch Crew (Translucent Purple)
Jakob Lynch Crew (Dayglow Purple)
Rasputina Crew (Translucent Blue)
Nightmare Tara (Translucent Smoke)
Dreamer Crew (Translucent Pink)
Dreamer Crew (Dayglow Pink)
Bete Noir (Translucent Red)
Nightmare Whiskey Golem (Translucent Root Beer)
Pandora Crew (Translucent Green)
Pandora Crew (Dayglow Green)
Kirai Crew (Translucent Lime)
Kirai Crew (Dayglow Lime)
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Post by: Binabik15
You have to buy from their site to get the tortoiase and hare, right?
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Yes that is correct
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Binabik15 wrote:You have to buy from their site to get the tortoiase and hare, right?
It will have a general release at some point. It's not an exclusive, but is currently only available on the site.
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Post by: -Loki-
Oh maaaan. I managed to nab an alternate Perdita! They're always out of stock before I get into the sale. I guess I'll be grabbing some Guild afterall.
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Post by: Binabik15
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Yes that is correct
Bossk_Hogg wrote:Binabik15 wrote:You have to buy from their site to get the tortoiase and hare, right?
It will have a general release at some point. It's not an exclusive, but is currently only available on the site.
Well, then I hope my fave online store will have them someday. This month I'm done after buying Deathwatch and tons of bits (including Death Claw) to "finish my Nurgle Kill Team" that I only started to use up old bits I had left from my CSMs.
I need some of those rooster riders as well, though. And those hounds. And those not-chaos spawns. I really should campaign to have plastic crack addction included in the ICD-11. Then I could prescribe myself minis as a substitution programme
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Post by: Absolutionis
Monday Preview of models from the upcoming new Malifaux book: Reporters and cameramen could make for some great 32mm civilians as well, probably!
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Good art, but what an odd choice for a unit in a skirmish game! "Pardon me Killjoy, Gertrude Jenkins of the Malifaux Gazette... a moment of your time! To what do you attribute your recent success in your murder spree? Chains? Fat? Fat Chains?"
I mean, I guess its no weirder than the time Seamus killed a Guild Hound, threw a wig, two melons and a dress on it and made it an undead hooker dog that lured its former handler to his doom...
I do wish one was a guy however to mix things up. One of the reasons I like the "Miss" models.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Very nice - love the (perhaps slighly ditzy) Blonde
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
dupe post
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Post by: Absolutionis
Bossk_Hogg wrote:Good art, but what an odd choice for a unit in a skirmish game! "Pardon me Killjoy, Gertrude Jenkins of the Malifaux Gazette... a moment of your time! To what do you attribute your recent success in your murder spree? Chains? Fat? Fat Chains?"
I mean, I guess its no weirder than the time Seamus killed a Guild Hound, threw a wig, two melons and a dress on it and made it an undead hooker dog that lured its former handler to his doom...
I do wish one was a guy however to mix things up. One of the reasons I like the "Miss" models.
To be fair, they could actually have no direct attacks. They're from the new book, so perhaps some new rules. Wishlisting here, but perhaps they could be models that give you new schemes just for taking them.
I'd love for them to have a " A moment of your time..." ability that lets them distract enemies while they place scheme counters. Then they could interview Steam Arachnids and ask about their day.
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
I would suggest 'chatty' might be an appropriate way to represent their persistent questions and photo taking.
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Post by: -Loki-
Bossk_Hogg wrote:Good art, but what an odd choice for a unit in a skirmish game! "Pardon me Killjoy, Gertrude Jenkins of the Malifaux Gazette... a moment of your time! To what do you attribute your recent success in your murder spree? Chains? Fat? Fat Chains?" This is a game where you can bring lawyers and showgirls. They'll figure out something for reporters to do. A lot of units in Malifaux are not combatants, but have otherwise neat things that help. The prostitutes from the Honeypot don't hit real well, but but lure enemies about and cover then in Brilliance so Illuminated hit them like trucks.
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Post by: TheWaspinator
Yeah, they probably do something with scheme markers.
I could also see some kind of "blind them with a camera flash" debuff ability.
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Post by: -Loki-
Latest preview - Corrupted Hounds for Neverborn.
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Post by: Mutter
Not really mad about those. Bit boring.
I think, I'll stick to my GW chaos hounds for this ...
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Post by: -Loki-
Wyrd have decided to join the free rules bandwagon and released their Malifaux 2E rules manual for free via drivethroughRPG.
This is the rules manual, which is just the rules. It does not include the campaign rules from Shifting Loyalties nor does it include unit cards which are bought individually as print on demand and included in boxes with miniatures.
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Post by: Pumpkin
Hell, yes! "Intrepid girl reporter" is one of my favourite old-timey character archetypes! What a great fit for Malifaux! The trope is strong with this one...
Free rules is great news, too! Free character stats would be even better news, but then they'd annoy people who paid for those. Still, it's a great recruiting tool for potential new players.
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Post by: -Loki-
Malifaux Vintage. One alternate master per faction done in plastic inspired by 1E models.
Misaki, Rasputina, McMourning, Hamelin, Pandora, Sonia Criid and So'mer Teeth.
I really like So'mer Teeth. Loved that metal model but the slight aesthetic differences in the plastic Gremlins, like no nose, got me to hold off. Pandora is amazing.
These will only be available in Mystery boxes and for guilders that you get for playing in henchman run events, which means I'll probably end up getting Pandora and So'mer Teeth on eBay.
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Post by: cygnnus
Loving Hamelin, but not interested in playing him. Sonia Criid is pretty nice too...
But neat idea. Especially if they can focus the mystery boxes on the FLGS market to support in-store purchases.
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: Schmapdi
-Loki- wrote:
I'll be honest - Wyrd are the easiest company I've found for getting LE models. Limited models are available during certain sales and for that first sale, they're available to anyone who buys them or qualifies (in the case of order limit free models). Subsequent sales have randomly selected limited edition models in coloured plastics available, though in more limited quantities. Some show up again as order limit free models in other sales (I think this Easter sale is the first time I've seen a Miss model appear a second time as well). Some are given away for free for simply buying your product at an FLGS (you send your receipt to them and they send you the model). Some are simply stuffed into boxes as freebies as promotions (like the LE Katanaka sniper in the Shen Long crew box in its first month of sale, or the random translucent purple Dark Debts crew model in Black Blood Shaman boxes next month).
Getting LE models during their first sale that they're available is definitely the most convenient and reliable way to get them, but Wyrd make them available at later dates. I haven't gotten every LE model I want from them, but I've got more than I've gotten for other systems.
I'd say Wyrd is the worst at LE models - they make a ton of them, and make you jump through all sorts of hoops to try to get them (that's not counting all the ones that aren't available to anyone but their volunteers, etc). PP does it best IMO - they have very few, they tend to be "fun" models (not really cool stuff you'd want for your armies), and they make them freely available for anyone to buy online during any sort of convention they attend.
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Post by: Binabik15
I love McMouring, I just hope he is ready to get smacked by the OP assistants if he tries to do surgery with gloves he put on like.that
Hamelin and Somerteeth are cool as well. I dislike LE models, though.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
I like Jake and the Oni, am pretty lukewarm towards the rest...
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Post by: Alpharius
Mechanized Porkchop?
Someone fire up the RiTides symbol!
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Post by: Pumpkin
Queeg looks an absolutely spiffing gent (I'd use him for RPGs - stylish enough to stand out, understated enough to imbue him with my own character), Jake is channelling some pretty awesome Native American Baron Samedi vibes, and Anna is pretty cool, too.
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Post by: -Loki-
It was a tall order for Wyrd to top Nancy from Demented Games for Anna Lovelace (she's the current go-to proxy) and unsurprisingly they didn't manage it. Nancy is a fantastic model.
I guess they will sell a lot of Annas for the card, but the model will be put aside or sold.
I really like the Ice Dancers and Ill likely get those to go along with my Dark Carnival set. I'm still not a massive fan of the Changelings, but they're growing on me. I'll likely get them because you can't get the cards any other way now and they're super useful models and I'm too lazy to go find proxies.
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Post by: guardpiper
Queeg and Jake are shoe-ins for me. Not sure about anything else. I feel like I need to see the Sanctioned Spellcasters in person, something about the models is a miss for me just looking at the images. Also Queeg would make an excellent "Lion Tamer" model for the Dark Circus.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Oni and the Scion of the Void.
Oni will hang out with the Noh from Relic Knights, and the Scion, well, because I tend to purchase models with too many limbs.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Apparently these are a 3-pack.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Unexpected!! Oni + Jorogomo at once? So much for taking a break from buying MFX stuff  Do fancy the pig (or two  ) to pal around with Mei as well, and I know Sparks has Foundry connections too ... - Salvage
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
It would be nice to see some more non-Japanese creatures for 10 Thunders, given the Three Kinggdoms are China, Vietnam and Japan. Yan Lo is clearly Chinese in name, but commands all Japanese troops. Some jiangshi (hopping vampire) would be cool.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I'm actually surprised there haven't been any jiangshi at this point.
Such an iconic monster that rarely gets translated into tabletop figures that often, especially when they usually have a very distinctive visual look.
I know a few other companies have made them over the years, but some Wyrd ones would probably be pretty nice looking.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
I'm looking forward to the Journey iteration. Wyrd's, while pretty creepy, missed the explicitly female part of the mythology. Also, I can't imagine needing three.
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Post by: Shadox
Great, Wyrd... you have done it...
Now I want to start Yan Lo, Tara, want to start Neverborn and probably even try Hamelin. My poor wallet...
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Post by: Absolutionis
Also, this may be older-ish news, but new to this thread.
http://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2016/5/2/monday-preview-malifaux-vintage
Plastic versions of older sculpts.
Wyrd is excited to announce 7 new plastic models, one for each Faction, which we're referring to as Malifaux Vintage.
These Malifaux Vintage models are alternative sculpts of Masters, each figure an updated version of the Master's sculpt from years ago. Malifaux Vintage models will be available in Mystery Boxes (as part of our Henchman Program's Event Kits) or through the use of Guilders* (which can be obtained by going to events).
We hope that everyone is as excited about these vintage Masters as we are. They will start showing up in mystery boxes in the coming months.
Remember that "Guilders" are the poker chips you can get from going to events which you can redeem for free stuff. As of right now, there is no indication that these models will be sold for cashmoneys.
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Post by: -Loki-
I posted that a page back
Worth repeating though. They're great sculpts. I really need tog et Pandora and So'Mer.
I'm not thrilled about the method of aquisition, simply because there are very, very few henchman run events in this area, and it seems those henchman don't use the official kits so getting guilders and mystery boxes is super hard. So I'll be forced to ebay or trades.
I know Nathan came in and told everyone to cool it and they hadn't announced all methods of getting them, but they pretty decisively said they would be aquired through guilders and mystery boxes and didn't add any qualifying points about other ways yet to be announced.
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Post by: Absolutionis
New Neverborn master from "Ripples of Fate": Titania
http://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2016/5/16/monday-preview-titania
Additionally, silhouettes of the seven masters from Ripples.
Gorgon hype! I'm hoping it's Arcanist.
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Post by: -Loki-
Love it. I've just about finished painting my Neverborn, so it's about right that they'd release a new master. The rules on the front of the card are very interesting. Seems she's going to be another Neverborn master that likes to ball up for those heals.
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Post by: Grot 6
AT the point I'm at, these figures have really changed my opinion of Malifaux.
I'm finally getting around to putting together the plastic Pandora crew, in which I hope to get a game in with, then add in a couple of the figures for the RPG. Really good quality in plastic, but I was a little taken aback by their size. They seem to be true 28, and in light of the older sculpts the style has radically changed. ( For the better, but they don't necessarily form up well with the older models.)
Question for someone who's getting back to them after putting them away since the KS for the RPG-
Did they make the female multipart figure sets smaller and in line with the current plastic figures, or are they still on their giant sculpt for the other figures serum?
I really enjoy that new starter set, and would like to get a couple of the female multi figure sets to add on to the crew, but if my "KS pledge gift" will work, I'll add in some metal mercs and call it a day.
As for those larger figures, second question is to ask how they stand up to play with the plastic that they are made out of?
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Post by: -Loki-
Not sure if they fixed it, but it doesn't seem to be an issue. This is a mix of female and male multipose models, plus a few M2E plastics mixed in. Doesn't look like a problem. Females look a mm or two taller here and there but nothing you're going to notice on the table. And yeah, I really like the plastic. I haven't found a single metal model of theirs that wasn't improved by the plastic sculpt. Some older models had a lot of character, but their plastics are better quality. Some of the older metals are outright hideous which put me off the game years ago. I've got their two current biggest models - Lord Chompy Bits and the Nightmare Whiskey Golem. Both are fine from a gameplay perspective. Construction depends on how they cut the models. Chompy was easy to assemble, the Nightmare Whiskey Golem was a... well, nightmare.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
The scale is really awkward. You can cut about 2mm off their ankles pretty easily at which point they're just tall, but that takes a decent amount of work, and seeing them in the open and next to other models is pretty awkwardly off.
Look at the front two on the left- that isn't perspective, she's just like a head taller.
Still not as bad as some of those kneeling models, but still very noticeable.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
spiralingcadaver wrote:The scale is really awkward. You can cut about 2mm off their ankles pretty easily at which point they're just tall, but that takes a decent amount of work, and seeing them in the open and next to other models is pretty awkwardly off.
Look at the front two on the left- that isn't perspective, she's just like a head taller.
Still not as bad as some of those kneeling models, but still very noticeable.
Yeah, the female multi part kits are a bit of a mess, as the limbs are super long and gangly. Like if Shaggy from Scooby Doo was put in a taffy puller.
My second hand info is that they had a sculptor who just kept making everything super leggy. The December Acolytes and Monks of Low River kind of have it going on as well. Newer offerings looks better though.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Really bummed about the way in which you need to go about to get the classic sculpts. I don't know of any Henchmen or Guilders near me, or if they'll be doing anything in regards to this promotion. I'd really love a Rasputina and Hamelin like that, but it looks like as with most limited editions from Wyrd, I will be missing out yet again.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Bossk_Hogg wrote:My second hand info is that they had a sculptor who just kept making everything super leggy. The December Acolytes and Monks of Low River kind of have it going on as well. Newer offerings looks better though.
No particular problem with leggy- leveticus and rusty both have crazy proportions, but at least they're in scale with the rest of the game. I don't know how it's that hard, when everything's digital, to get the render and then line it up next to your standard render and scale the model down 5% or whatever so it's right, before going to print.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Soooo excited for the new Thunder, whatever she/he/it ends up being - I'm pretty meh about most of the available at this point  Here's hoping for another non-dual faction ala Shenlong to keep pushing the faction's flavor forward, ala the more Asian upcoming releases (jorogumo, oni, etc) - Salvage
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Post by: Absolutionis
Boss Salvage wrote:Soooo excited for the new Thunder, whatever she/he/it ends up being - I'm pretty meh about most of the available at this point  Here's hoping for another non-dual faction ala Shenlong to keep pushing the faction's flavor forward, ala the more Asian upcoming releases (jorogumo, oni, etc)
- Salvage
Well, if you're okay with spoilers, there's playtest cards and names for the Ten Thunders and Resurrectionist masters on 4chan.
Additionally some Henchmen.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Absolutionis wrote: Boss Salvage wrote:Soooo excited for the new Thunder, whatever she/he/it ends up being - I'm pretty meh about most of the available at this point  Here's hoping for another non-dual faction ala Shenlong to keep pushing the faction's flavor forward, ala the more Asian upcoming releases (jorogumo, oni, etc)
- Salvage
Well, if you're okay with spoilers, there's playtest cards and names for the Ten Thunders and Resurrectionist masters on 4chan.
Additionally some Henchmen.
Well, someone completely disregarded their NDA. :( Not necessarily you, mind you, but dang.)
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Post by: -Loki-
Fenriswulf wrote:Really bummed about the way in which you need to go about to get the classic sculpts. I don't know of any Henchmen or Guilders near me, or if they'll be doing anything in regards to this promotion. I'd really love a Rasputina and Hamelin like that, but it looks like as with most limited editions from Wyrd, I will be missing out yet again.
I just go find them on ebay if I miss them (I tend to miss the pay-walled alternate models they do during Black Friday). While I'd prefer to give the money to Wyrd, I'm not going to let a little ebay scalping stop me getting miniatures I want. Big downside is inflated prices, but that's par for the course with limited edition stuff.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Valhallan42nd wrote: Absolutionis wrote: Boss Salvage wrote:Soooo excited for the new Thunder, whatever she/he/it ends up being - I'm pretty meh about most of the available at this point  Here's hoping for another non-dual faction ala Shenlong to keep pushing the faction's flavor forward, ala the more Asian upcoming releases (jorogumo, oni, etc)
- Salvage
Well, if you're okay with spoilers, there's playtest cards and names for the Ten Thunders and Resurrectionist masters on 4chan.
Additionally some Henchmen.
Well, someone completely disregarded their NDA. :( Not necessarily you, mind you, but dang.)
Not me. I'm not a henchman nor in on the betatesting. Just an enthusiast.
Link was ethically questionable anyways.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
*ahem* It would appear I will be purchasing yet another crew much sooner than anticipated, gentlefolk. Many thanks for the information, young squire Absy. - Salvage
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Post by: Absolutionis
Resurrectionists Master: Reva
Seems they changed her theme a lot away from the "Einherjar" to a "Revenant"
I'm loving the sidesaddle and finally a Resser that isn't icky/ugly.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Exactly the point I was going to make.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Apparently the Medusa-looking silhouette is the Ten Thunders Master that buffs Onis.
Asami Tanaka
EDIT: Broke image. Fixed again.
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Post by: -Loki-
Ha! Called it. I was saying it would be the Oni master since they showed the silhouettes. People are saying she looks boring, and Nathan made a cryptic remark: Y'all can only see one side of her. Further guessing from people on the official boards is she's a Futakuchi-onna
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Post by: Absolutionis
People on the Facebook group are also saying that others have seen the model and that the back of the head has a mouth. That seems kinda cool, actually.
I was just hoping for a Gorgon-like Arcanist Academic master. Perhaps a Medusa with librarian glasses with Stone Gamin minions or something. Maybe one day...
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Post by: Mr Morden
Absolutionis wrote:
I was just hoping for a Gorgon-like Arcanist Academic master. Perhaps a Medusa with librarian glasses with Stone Gamin minions or something. Maybe one day...
That does sound pretty ace.........have a soft spot for Medusa be nice to see her as a Hero
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Post by: -Loki-
Gorgon would more like be Resser (which is why people were claiming crazy hair was a Resser) due to the Gorgons Tear being so closely associated with Molly and Seamus.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Sandeep Desai, Arcanist Academic Master
Surprisingly tanky.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
So when I was wishlisting my Oni master a few months back, my clubmate joined in and wishlisted his Academic master back at me ... Wyrd, you're scaring me bro O_O - Salvage
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Post by: -Loki-
I really like the front of his card, letting others borrow his Ca actions and using that to generate an additional action for himself. Depending on what is on the back of his card and his upgrades, that could set up an interesting synergy with saving something until your opponent has activated their more dangerous stuff that following up with something from his card. I also like that his fluff points to him using Gamin. An Acedamic master being followed around by a bunch of little elemental imps is a cool image. Unfortunately, that model is flat out doing nothing for me. At all. First model in the new bunch of masters I just do not like.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I still wish it was a gorgon with librarian glasses and a book.
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Ohhhh very nice!
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Yeeesssss. Titania does not look pleased.
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Very nice, solid model, but nothing overly exciting.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Gunslinging cowboy type that's well scaled/proportioned and in easy to work with plastic? Don't mind if I do.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
I look at him, and all I can think is...
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Post by: Absolutionis
I guess the bandit niche was missing. Being able to 'steal' scheme markers is nice for Outcasts, at least.
Model looks as bland as a Battlefoam miniature, though. Goggles almost give it its own identity.
These new Masters seem to be very card-heavy.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I like him. Looks like he'd fit in well as a Shadows of Brimstone character.
Probably a lot crisper detail too.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Nice nod to Bonnie and Clyde, too.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
highlord tamburlaine wrote:I like him. Looks like he'd fit in well as a Shadows of Brimstone character.
Probably a lot crisper detail too.
Not sure if you got Wave 1.5 shipping, but the new resins are quite good on the Shadows player characters. Still this guy will probably replace my friend's Outlaw in Shadows.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Someone on Facebook posted images from Origins: https://www.facebook.com/groups/AWYRDPLACE/permalink/496182567245479/
New stuff:
Brutal Emissary and new image of a steamfitted woman:
Changelings (children to left), Big Jake (guy on left), Corrupted Hounds (blurry dogs):
Winged Plague:
Wind Gamin and Scion of the Void (the guy in the back):
Shadow Emissary (the DBZ dragon) and Arcane Emissary (minotaur thing). Much bigger than I expected both to be.
Slateridge Mauler (bear) and Jaakuna Ubume (creepy ghost lady with the kid):
Ice Dancer (unpainted on left) and Carrion Emissary (Bird Person) and Lucky Emissary (unpainted large thing on right).
Gremlins (sorry, I don't play them, so have no idea what these are). Also a Spawn Mother and her Murlocs.
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Post by: -Loki-
The Gremlins on the last photo are Sparks (a Gremlin Foundry character) and Survivors (Gremlin Gator attack survivors that Sparks gave Mei Feng style limb replacements to). Emmisarys are biiig. I adore the Gremlin Emmisary. Skaven Doomwheel flashbacks.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I can get a lot of mileage out of those emissaries. Liking them all!
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Post by: Absolutionis
With the Arcane Emissary being twice as large as I assumed it'd be, finding a proxy for that will be much harder. It's bigger than the Warmachine warjack I was hoping to proxy.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Loving the Ice Dancer / Surfer - Think I will have to buy that one.
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Post by: TheWaspinator
Absolutionis wrote:With the Arcane Emissary being twice as large as I assumed it'd be, finding a proxy for that will be much harder. It's bigger than the Warmachine warjack I was hoping to proxy.
Does it really matter as long as you use the right-sized base?
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Post by: -Loki-
Yeah, base size is the only important part. The models have a Height value which doesn't depend on the model.
Remember, old Avatars are legal proxies for Avatars and some of them are much smaller.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Guild gets the most flavorfully interesting Master!
Nellie Cochrane - Journalist
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Post by: -Loki-
I like the mechanics. Cheating incoming damage flips with Revisionist History is pretty unique. Together with Creative Reporting, it gives you a reason to keep low cards in your hand. In Plain Sight gives you a very easy Scheme Marker drop. Coming from a Pandora player, Run from the Truth will make her very, very fast, and works very nicely with In Plain Sight. She can do what she needs to do, then when an enemy model drops a scheme marker, use Run from the Truth to reposition herself to drop one where needed at the end of the turn.
All in all a nice addition to Guild. Up there with Titania as my favourites of the new masters. I actually might get her box to sit alongside Perdita.
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Post by: Mewens
Does "Run From the Truth!" move Nellie or the model that attacked her? I thought it was the model that attacked her.
But yeah, I'm probably buying Nellie the moment she's out. Hard to resist reporter models, even if I don't play Guild at all.
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Post by: -Loki-
Good point, I misread that. That's a nifty ability to keep her models safe.
She looks like a super annoying master to fight.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
She looks like a fun master to play. Did some research to find that she is based of this journalist, Elizabeth Cochran.
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Post by: TheWaspinator
Soon, Malifaux will know the terror of the fearsome battle journalists!
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Post by: Absolutionis
An undeniable reference. That's actually kinda cool.
To be honest, the non-combat aspect of Malifaux is one of the things that seems so appealing sometimes. I've won more games with my Collette crew by just playing the objective and being a general nuisance more than a full-on-deathmatch. It's fun and interesting, and it seems that the Guild is getting in on some of that nuisance scheme-Master action.
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Post by: Grot 6
From the small beginnings... To that?!?!
WOW!
I've got a bunch of other games.... anyone want to start trading out some other Malfaux for the stuff I got?!?!?!?!
They really went places with the game. BAZINGA!!!!
THAT has got to be one of my favorite crews, yet. A worthy team to follow up on Molly's sordid story of woe, and kick old Seamus's ass up and down main street. I almost want to buy both these crews for a OK coral kind of rumble.
AMAZING!!!
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
I want a Molly vs Nellie battle report as soon as is humanly possible.
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
Are there any rumors about "The other side"?
Info on the website cannot scratch my itch of eagerness to find out more!
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Post by: Absolutionis
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:Are there any rumors about "The other side"?
Info on the website cannot scratch my itch of eagerness to find out more!
Not much, really. We know it's 32mm scale but you field many more models than Malifaux considering it's basically a War and not much of a Skirmish.
There is some concept art and prototype models floating around.
http://41.media.tumblr.com/f0e2674e78887de76c8287cfad721628/tumblr_o479d64No61tj0izjo1_1280.jpg
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Thrace.png
Plot is that it takes place on Earth (aka "The Other Side" of the Breach).
Seems that Wyrd wants to release Book 4 before tackling The Other Side.
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
Cheers
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Nathan shared this image on the Wyrd forums today.
He said he would share more if the post got 200 likes.
http://themostexcellentandawesomeforumever-wyrd.com/topic/119636-just-because-62316/#comment-955912
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Post by: ImAGeek
That is awesome. I can't wait to see more from The Other Side. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Reached 200 likes so he posted these.
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Post by: Absolutionis
That's actually rather cool. I'm happy the character aspect of Malifaux has been retained and not sacrificed in favor of identical-looking grunts.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Yaaaay Sky Pirates!
Booo not Arcanist dual faction.
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Post by: cygnnus
Funny take on The Rocketeer.... But a Master that's insignificant? Interesting...
Have there been any other Sky Pirates yet?
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: -Loki-
Insignificant isn't really an issue with Gremlins since a lot of them have Reckless and you've got things like Rooster Riders and Merris. If Gremlins want to run schemes, they will.
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
That mech left in the back looks interesting, seems to miss a head though
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
What? His exhaust has him going forward and/or up. His pose has him going back and/or down.
Thoroughly confused by that.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
spiralingcadaver wrote:What? His exhaust has him going forward and/or up. His pose has him going back and/or down.
Thoroughly confused by that.
He's making a short leap and preparing to land.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
...on his butt?
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
You expect a gremlin to file a well ordered flight plan?
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Miss Fire is the new Alt for this year! Arcanists get another Miss model due to coming in second during the Nythera event.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Hah! A Willie proxy? I love it!
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
They knocked this one out of the park. Love it.
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Post by: Absolutionis
This is the first "Miss" that I honestly really like, and considering I I'm an Arcanist player that hates the Willie model, I really want it.
How do we go about getting it? Is it going to be a buy $X on the webstore duing Gencon deal?
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Post by: Breotan
Yea, I'm not a fan of either Miss Ery or Miss Step.
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Post by: -Loki-
I'll probably give it a miss (heh). So far Corvus Belli have won my hobby money this month. I'd be interested to see what the Nightmare kit is, but the only one I'd be interested in is a plastic Dead Justice, which I know won't happen for a variety of reasons. I've got no intention of running Willy, so this Miss model is wasted on me.
I'm now only curious to see any alternate models available during Gencon (I still want Francisco and Barbaros) and potentially an early release Titania.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Nightmare Edition McCabe box announced! Looks amazing!
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Post by: Time 2 Roll
Malifaux newbie question here. What does Nightmare Edition mean?
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Post by: Whumbachumba
They are special edition boxes of regular models. This one is an alternative to Relic Hunters, the normal McCabe box. It changes out the 3 wastrels for 2 mounted guard. They are only offered during certain times of the year, like GenCon, Black Friday, and Easter sales.
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Post by: ImAGeek
They're like alternate/more impressive versions they release for GenCon (and periodically for sales, such as Easter and Black Friday).
That Nightmare McCabe is awesome.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
It's an alternate version of an existing figure/crew. They have the same rules, and are essentially "counts as" figures. So you cant use a unique and its nightmare unique version, even if they have different names. Wyrd usually puts out 1-2 a year, typically at Gen Con, and then maybe a follow up during the Black Friday sale.
I think we'll probably see a box of Nightmare wastrels to fill out McCabe's crew as another release later this year, sort of like how they did the Coryphee to go along with the circus themed Collette crew. BTW, this one is SO sold. Awesome design!
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Here are some other examples of Nightmare editions.
Herald of Obliteration (Tara)
Smoke and Mirrors/Dark Carnival (Colette)
Whiskey Golem
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Post by: aku-chan
Sigh... Why is it just the limited edition Malifaux stuff that appeals to me?
Hopefully the Pound will perk up a bit before Gencon hits.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Bossk_Hogg wrote:
It's an alternate version of an existing figure/crew. They have the same rules, and are essentially "counts as" figures. So you cant use a unique and its nightmare unique version, even if they have different names. Wyrd usually puts out 1-2 a year, typically at Gen Con, and then maybe a follow up during the Black Friday sale.
I think we'll probably see a box of Nightmare wastrels to fill out McCabe's crew as another release later this year, sort of like how they did the Coryphee to go along with the circus themed Collette crew. BTW, this one is SO sold. Awesome design!
Nightmare Wastrels would be awesome! Could look at the latest Lindsay Sterling video for inspiration along with Mad Max/Wild Wild West. I'm so sold on this box and the Brutal Emissary. I may have to pick up one more thing if they do the $150/$300 special edition models again.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I've just noticed the Modeller Warning at the bottom of the box haha. Is that on all the boxes?
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Post by: Whumbachumba
First time it's appeared to my knowledge. After Abuela's pipe and Yan Lo's beard, they need it. Most Gremlin boxes could probably use it too.
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Post by: Time 2 Roll
Thank you for the help.
Boy that Dark Carnival is an awesome looking box. Wish I would have started looking at this game when that was available.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
HOLY FAKK! Makes me a little sad I already own Relic Hunters ... but also happy I've only built McCabe + Luna from it and painted neither  That's a truly delicious crew, gods damn. - Salvage
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Time 2 Roll wrote:Thank you for the help.
Boy that Dark Carnival is an awesome looking box. Wish I would have started looking at this game when that was available.
They have resold the plastics in the past during other special events, so there is a chance it shows up again.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
So as someone who knows relatively little of Malifaux outside of building a fair amount the new plastics, just for the frustration of it, what's the deal with some of the alternate sculpts?
The alternates are different than the nightmare editions, right?
I've had my eyes peeled for an alt Barbaros and Francisco for some time, but I"m pretty sure the boat's sailed on both those, hasn't it?
Guess I should follow this thread a bit more closely when the next sale inevitably drops...
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Post by: Mutter
highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I've had my eyes peeled for an alt Barbaros and Francisco for some time, but I"m pretty sure the boat's sailed on both those, hasn't it?
Alt Barbaros is in the Mystery Boxes which are given away as prize support, so soon there should be a fair amount of them around.
Not sure about alt Franc.
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Post by: ImAGeek
highlord tamburlaine wrote:So as someone who knows relatively little of Malifaux outside of building a fair amount the new plastics, just for the frustration of it, what's the deal with some of the alternate sculpts?
The alternates are different than the nightmare editions, right?
I've had my eyes peeled for an alt Barbaros and Francisco for some time, but I"m pretty sure the boat's sailed on both those, hasn't it?
Guess I should follow this thread a bit more closely when the next sale inevitably drops...
Alternates and Nightmare editions are functionally the same (alternate versions that counts as an existing model completely rules wise) but Nightmare editions tend to be either a whole crew in a new theme (this new McCabe set or the Dark Carnival crew), or a bigger version of something (like the Nightmare Tara crew with a bigger Nightmare Beast or the bigger Whiskey Golem with little gremlin extras). Automatically Appended Next Post: Time 2 Roll wrote:Thank you for the help.
Boy that Dark Carnival is an awesome looking box. Wish I would have started looking at this game when that was available.
It will likely be available again in the GenCon sale.
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Post by: Ozymandias
I already have McCabe painted and ready to go and I'm still getting that nightmare edition! Absolutely amazing!
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
highlord tamburlaine wrote:So as someone who knows relatively little of Malifaux outside of building a fair amount the new plastics, just for the frustration of it, what's the deal with some of the alternate sculpts?
The alternates are different than the nightmare editions, right?
Sorta. They do alts (same character, different pose), "Miss" models (gender swapped models), and "Nightmare" (bigger/more elaborate/different theme usually). Functionally they are all the same character though.
I've had my eyes peeled for an alt Barbaros and Francisco for some time, but I"m pretty sure the boat's sailed on both those, hasn't it?
Guess I should follow this thread a bit more closely when the next sale inevitably drops...
Alt Barbaros and Francisco will likely be back at Gen-Con or Black Friday. They were originally a reward for buying over certain threshold, then came back as $15/20 individual purchases at the next sale. For Gen-Con, I normally just buy the nightmare model, then pick up the spend threshold models at the next sale. Something just rubs me the wrong way about having to buy $300 worth of product direct to get a freebie, when the company is already making way more off direct sales vs. what I buy at a game store.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Yep, feel the same way.
This nightmare crew's pretty cool, a few problems with it. Ultimately, I think the price will make or break it for me, though.
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Post by: -Loki-
Price will be $90us. That was the cost of the Dark Carnival and Nightmare Tara. I'm personally not a fan. I don't know why either. They made a steampunk Mad Max crew, and I just... eh.
I think the main issue with these sorts of crew is there's no, or litle, followup. The Dark Carnival had the Nightmare Coryphee, but these crews are heavily built on visual theme. Without other models of the same visual theme to add to them, the appeal is lost.
They made a steampunk Mad Max crew, but outside of possibly a followup model on Black Friday, there's not much you can add to keep that Mad Max theme going.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but do the Gen Con sales also apply to online sales as well?
Almost got these two models on multiple occasions, but if I can hang in for a few more weeks and get it at a more reasonable price (along with other goodies I want) than I guess I can suck it up and wait!
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Post by: -Loki-
Well, you can get them online, but only direct from Wyrd for the duration of the sale, which for Gencon is the duration of the event. You won't find their special items anywhere else online aside from ebay or trading sites after the sale is done.
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Post by: BigDaddio
That Iggy Pup looks A LOT like a metal model I bought last year, I think from Eureka Miniatures.
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Post by: -Loki-
The more I look at The Wild Ones box, the more I'm liking it. Nightmare releases always seem to do this to me for some reason. I'll likely grab it and something else to get Miss Fire, though they will likely sit in the drawer for a long while.
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Post by: Breotan
Take McCabe's head and swap it out for a Death Marshal's and you've got Steampunk Ghost Rider.
Patti Ramone is likely based on this guy who attended the Burning Man festival.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Today's preview is of the 7 new master boxes. Large pictures inside the spoilers!
EDIT: Nathan has confirmed that these will be available for sale at GenCon on the Wyrd forums.
I'm not going to be mean like Aaron there ... yes, all of them and a load more will be available at Gencon. For those of you asking where the list is, pricing, etc, you'll get that Wednesday in the newsletter.
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Post by: ImAGeek
There are some fantastic models in there. Phiona Gage, Corpse Candles, Banasuva, the Gorar, Iron Skeeters and the First Mate, and Ohaguro Bettari are my favourites.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
That Banasuva is a pretty sweet sculpt. Hope it's nice and big to really show it off (and a million little pieces to put together to get it looking good).
Will probably pick up the Fistful of Scrip box as I seem to continue accumulating Outcasts (mostly for Shadows of Brimstone, but they'll roll up in Malifaux eventually as well).
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Post by: Absolutionis
It's interesting that each box has the totem printed on the side except for Sanderp.
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