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Post by: Alpharius
OK, thanks guys!
I'll take a look through the Outcasts and Freikorps stuff!
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Post by: Paradigm
Be aware that the new freikorps plastic crew has been previewed and is available at Gencon, and will be apparently available on general release by January at the latest.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Yep, just about everything outcasts have out right now is worth taking together.
The Viktorias come with Taelor, who's a very strong beat-stick, and all-terrain Ronin. The Student of Conflict can speed up anyone. (only the viks themselves aren't compatible with Von Schill, being another master.)
Hans has strong ranged abilities, and almost always controls the flow of combat.
Bishop is very flexible, and has strong defenses in melee.
Desperate mercs are just nice cheap options with a gun.
The Strongarm is another beat stick with obvious theme, but you probably only want one option from the Strongarm/Bishop/Taelor, since they're all expensive and fulfill similar melee roles.
I'd only avoid the malifaux child insofar as it's a lot of cost for not a lot of model/points.
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Post by: Alpharius
OK, I'm seriously thinking of starting Malifaux 2E - what book(s) will I need?
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Post by: Siygess
Alpharius wrote:OK, I'm seriously thinking of starting Malifaux 2E - what book(s) will I need?
Just the mini rulebook (which is, what, $12?) Because your crew box is going to give you the stats for the minis in the box. If you want to read up on crews you dont have, or if you are a fan of fluff, get the full 2.0 rulebook.
Crossroads is going to contain stats / rules for the Wave 2 crews which AFAIK aren't available to buy yet.
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Post by: TheKbob
You can buy either the BRB for $45 USD or the SRB for $15. If you just care about playing, the small rulebook is the way to go.
Some folks buy the arsenal decks, think decks for Privateer Press Factions, but they are unnecessary. Any model that's in new plastic will have the cards to use it save the old, first print plastics (If you need the official free .pdf of the cards, send me a PM, I backed them up before the Crossroads book release).
So basically to start, it's Faction Box + Add-on Box + SRB + Fate Deck (about $100 total).
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Post by: decker_cky
Yeah, arsenal boxes are basically an upgrade cost to old players. Just make sure that the models you're buying are plastics that are available in the M2E section of the webstore - the other models will have old stat cards.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Ensure that whatever minis you're buying, it has "M2E" printed on the box cover. Otherwise, it'll come with 1stEd cards and you'll end up having to buy one of the Arsenal decks.
M2E printing:
M1E printing:
Note the existence of the M2E on the bottom right. Even all the newer boxed sets that don't have a 1stEd analogue come with the M2E symbol.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
An extra little preview from Gencon, constructed Whiskey Golem:
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Post by: TheKbob
I bought some M1E plastics for 50% off. I will have to run by Kinkos and print some cards off for them, but otherwise it's worth getting the old plastics just because of the new packaging and lack of cards.
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Post by: -Loki-
The Nightmare Whiskey Golem looks awesome, pity I have no intention to go outside Neverborn.
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Post by: Dr. What
-Loki- wrote:The Nightmare Whiskey Golem looks awesome, pity I have no intention to go outside Neverborn.
Play Zoraida? (Not sure if she can take is as Neverborn, but I know she can bring a lot of Neverborn over to the Gremlins)
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Post by: -Loki-
That's a good point. Haven't placed my order yet but I could replace the Pandora set I was going to get with the Golem for when I eventually get Zoraida.
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Post by: Bdrone
These Gencon releases look so good... why am i still torn between Neverborn and Rezzers, because I want both the Kirai and the Dreamer boxes.
Ive only just had a chance to try the game once, but all the releases plus the arsenals for the older models i like really make me wonder where to go first...
Does anyone have an idea when these will be released outside of Gencon?
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Post by: wana10
There was a post on the Wyrd forums saying these should be hitting stores in a staggered release between October and January.
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Post by: Bdrone
Hmm.. thats good to know, although i do wonder when Tara will make her appearance as well, if at all. looking forward to this!
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Post by: -Loki-
Order placed. Nightmare Whiskey Golem (couldn't resist, and gives me a reason to pick up Ophelias crew which I've been longing for ever since I gave myself the 'no going out of Neverborn' restriction, screw that!) and Dreamer, hitting $110 and getting me Miss Ery. Very happy.
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Post by: motyak
I went with Dreamer, Fated book, Fatemaster's kit, and the 2nd ed card decks for a couple of factions. This also netted me Teddy, hurrah
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Post by: Forar
cygnnus wrote:Oh... That's too bad.. I have to admit I really like the LE version of Hannah so much more than that "regular" one. I hope the prices on the LE ones come down from tehir current craziness on eBay. I just don't see myself getting that normal one. Honestly, the prices on ebay aren't even all that crazy. They seem to be hovering in the $50-100 plus S&H range. There aren't many available, but considering the prices NLCB commands (at least, every time I checked) and Santana was pulling last year, it's down right reasonable. The availability of the actual model (at Gencon and their online store) is probably tempering it somewhat, contrasted with Tara, whom has only been available for "OMGWTF?" in a Nightmare/limited edition form. Edit: Don't just look at the listed prices, check the "Completed Listings" and see what people are actually buying them for. One was bought for $200, but the other was 'best price', which from manipulating the system, seems to have been around $110, the other is under that, and the listed ones are below those as well.
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Post by: cygnnus
Forar wrote: cygnnus wrote:Oh... That's too bad.. I have to admit I really like the LE version of Hannah so much more than that "regular" one. I hope the prices on the LE ones come down from tehir current craziness on eBay. I just don't see myself getting that normal one.
Honestly, the prices on ebay aren't even all that crazy. They seem to be hovering in the $50-100 plus S&H range. There aren't many available, but considering the prices NLCB commands (at least, every time I checked) and Santana was pulling last year, it's down right reasonable.
The availability of the actual model (at Gencon and their online store) is probably tempering it somewhat, contrasted with Tara, whom has only been available for "OMGWTF?" in a Nightmare/limited edition form.
Edit: Don't just look at the listed prices, check the "Completed Listings" and see what people are actually buying them for. One was bought for $200, but the other was 'best price', which from manipulating the system, seems to have been around $110, the other is under that, and the listed ones are below those as well.
I was watching both the "buy it now" prices and the concluded prices. Happily, I just won an auction for one of the Hannah's at under $50 (which was my limit). So, yay, me!
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: Forar
Looking at ebay, one recently ended for $51.
Just to be clear, you do realize that one isn't the Limited Edition figure, right?
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Post by: Alpharius
Is the "Through the Breach" Hannah exclusive a completely different model than the Hannah that's being 'early released' at Gencon, or just a variant pose?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Variant pose only. IIRC Wyrd's only LE model without a regular/non-LE mini is the Carver, but it's only for one scenario and the rules are online.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
How much do we think the Nightmare Edition Whiskey Golem will sell for?
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Post by: Forar
Yeah, it's just an alt pose, but I wanted to be sure cygnnus realized that he seemed to have snagged one of the pre-release standard sculpts, given that he'd specifically mentioned preferring the LE sculpt.
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Post by: Alpharius
Is there a pic somewhere of Hannah's TTB sculpt?
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Post by: decker_cky
Depends on how long it takes to get a full release (extra value until it's released). In general though, it's not a power choice so it'll have a bit less inflated value. Once the actual model is released, it'll depend how much nicer it is than the standard sculpt (main vs original release LCB).
Nightmare Teddy for example regularly goes for the same as it sold in the Wyrd store (lots sell for more, but with patience you can pay around $50 for it). So it's tough to say.
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Post by: cygnnus
Forar wrote:Yeah, it's just an alt pose, but I wanted to be sure cygnnus realized that he seemed to have snagged one of the pre-release standard sculpts, given that he'd specifically mentioned preferring the LE sculpt.
Son of a... I'm within this close to getting myself banned by Dakka's profanity filter... I'd argue that some sellers are being deliberately deceptive in their ads, but I guess it's my fault. Okay... Seriously pissed off. Partially at Wyrd for releasing such a crappier main model, and so close after the TtB ones came out. Partially at some eBay sellers for putting up ads with "Freikorps Hannah -Very Rare!" which is at least a little deceptive... And, I guess, mostly at myself for getting a case of the stupids and not realizing the GenCon models had entered into my eBay search...
Argh! Ended up buying the *exact* figure I didn't freakin' want...
Yeah... Really not a happy camper right now...
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: Forar
Yeah, I noticed that too. The "very rare" thing is bullgak, but they specifically used a picture from the 'normal' release, which probably protects them on Ebay's side.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news man. I was afraid someone might get tagged by that. I didn't expect to actually (in a manner of speaking) know that person.
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Post by: cygnnus
Forar wrote:Yeah, I noticed that too. The "very rare" thing is bullgak, but they specifically used a picture from the 'normal' release, which probably protects them on Ebay's side.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news man. I was afraid someone might get tagged by that. I didn't expect to actually (in a manner of speaking) know that person.
Yeah... I never saw the Box art for the preview prior to bidding. Only saw the render. I have no doubt the sellers are "safe" on eBay, and I'd wager that many ( most?) aren't trying to be deceptive. Just seriously bummed right now...
Maybe someone will want to buy/trade for the regular Hannah at some point...
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: wana10
There's a chance the limited one shows up at black Friday on the webstore. Last November a few rare things showed up as prizes for different dollar tiers. (miss step, alt perdita plastic, and miss terious I believe)
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Alpharius wrote:Is the "Through the Breach" Hannah exclusive a completely different model than the Hannah that's being 'early released' at Gencon, or just a variant pose?
Its the same concept, but very different in execution. The exclusive one is holding a book and a censor for incense. The other one is in a "Hulk smash!" pose, which looks kind of goofy IMO. I've never been a fan of mech suits where the pilot is in the center and completely exposed to being shot.
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Post by: Grot 6
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Alpharius wrote:Is the "Through the Breach" Hannah exclusive a completely different model than the Hannah that's being 'early released' at Gencon, or just a variant pose?
Its the same concept, but very different in execution. The exclusive one is holding a book and a censor for incense. The other one is in a "Hulk smash!" pose, which looks kind of goofy IMO. I've never been a fan of mech suits where the pilot is in the center and completely exposed to being shot.
The real one, the LE, is better looking in person and the proportions are on par with what you'd expect with an explorer.
She's a very reasonable sculpt, in the proportions, and in my opinion, they need to get rid of that silly Hulksmash pose.
I'm honestly interested in them because of that Hanna model that I got in the pledge stuff. Matter of fact, I could see getting a few of them for a crew.
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Post by: Breotan
Is the GenCon promo whichling stalker the same as the existing sculpt?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
It's a simplified version of the ones in the boxed set, and was a magazine promo. IMHO, not really worth much more than a single witchling.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
What are the actual release dates for the new Dreamer and Kirai boxes and the new rulebook? Money is kind of tight but if its more than 3 months I'll take the plunge now.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Usually Gencon prereleases come out september-january, don't think they've put out a release list for the fall yet, though.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
I've bought a couple bits and bobs from the Wyrd store during Gencon...
Have I bought this stuff for it arrive as soon as it goes on Public sale, or am I going to have stuff before my mates who didn't order?
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Post by: Grot 6
Breotan wrote:Is the GenCon promo whichling stalker the same as the existing sculpt?
This figure would profit a hell of a lot with multipose parts. Arms, legs, heads, and bits. If I were Wyrd, I'd seriously start looking at foot soldier/ minion multipose kits.
And snacks at events? !@#$ me, that would be exciting to get a sprue of around 2-4 figures that you could mix and match parts.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Bloodhorror wrote:I've bought a couple bits and bobs from the Wyrd store during Gencon...
Have I bought this stuff for it arrive as soon as it goes on Public sale, or am I going to have stuff before my mates who didn't order?
Last year only a few people got their stuff in advance, in my case my local store and my friends, etc. were able to get their stuff before my stuff even shipped (but in that case I specifically only ordered the book and the nightmare edition, the rest of the wave wasn't released til later).
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Post by: Bloodhorror
I've got a Swamp Hag box from a mate who went to Gencon
Bad Juju is gorgeous, Siluirds are a nightmare to assemble and Zoirda is in SOOOO many Pieces...
But over all, I was excited as feth when he gave it me
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Up for preorder at The Warstore, have not seen these elsewhere
http://www.thewarstore.com/product94220.html
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Post by: Absolutionis
That's actually a cool variety of zombies just for general use.
...is "Mindless Zombie" even a Malifaux unit? I don't recall anything like that even for the Resurrectionists.
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Post by: -Loki-
IIRC they're something Nicodem can summon.
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Post by: Gertjan
They are summonable indeed, very usefull with the Mwhuahahaha upgrade (or however it's spelled again). For a 0 action you get corpsecounters with a move value . That said, I'm glad I got the West wind victorian zombies, fit a bit better with Nicodem imho and scalewise similar to the old models, of which I have quite a few. maybe a bit small for the plastics.
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Post by: Grot 6
In the RPG you can have a few hang out with you as part of your minions and summon them.
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Post by: Breotan
I wonder if those Hoarcats are big enough to use in my Ogres army?
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Post by: decker_cky
Breotan wrote:I wonder if those Hoarcats are big enough to use in my Ogres army?
Those are 40mm round bases, so you judge.
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Post by: Gertjan
Omg, they grew in size, and not just a tiny bit O:
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Samurai with miniguns? No thank you.
Everything else looks pretty cool, though. The electric creation is super creepy.
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Post by: Alpharius
"Bad Juju" looks like something RiTides would like!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I may need the Waldgeist for 'reasons' if they're large enough
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Waldgeists will make fine dryads for my greeks. Those hoarcats are huge... I wouldn't want to meet one (yes, city dwelller here, no need to remind me of wildcats.)
Those silurids... how did Wyrd know I was looking for Deep Ones right now?
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Post by: porkuslime
I would love to see a Waldegeist comparison shot between the new ones, the older metals, and a GW Dryad..
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
New Zoraida loses points for not being gross tits out, but I'll probably pick up her crew. I already have them in metal, but given the scale creep and Bad juju's much better 2.0 stats I may as well start using the likely bigger and badder plastic version. Wasnt a huge fan of the old silurids anyways.
Hoarcat pride is a huge upgrade over the little kitties from before. Are you supposed to somehow cram all 3 on a 50mm base now, or are they supposed to be based individually. Before they were a swarm unit or 3 cats on one base. Waldgeists and moleman look super too.
Graveyard spirit looks like a Scooby Doo ghost. Primordial Magic same stupid concept as before. Good luck not breaking those hanged ropes.
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Post by: streetsamurai
they release all these boxes in september ????
That's barely possible
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Post by: -Loki-
Maybe they just want to finish wave 1 in one large push and get on with wave 2?
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Post by: Breotan
One of those Waldgeists needs to be made into Groot.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
-Loki- wrote:Maybe they just want to finish wave 1 in one large push and get on with wave 2?
Well, there had been a build up of pushed back releases until that all hit at once. However they still arent done, as the Brewmaster's box isn't out yet (or regular Hannah, Tara's crew and the Whiskey Golem). .
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Post by: -Loki-
That's true, but those are easy enough to scatter through wave 2 releases. There was a huge chunk of wave 1 still waiting, which this seems to be.
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
I just built those Waldgeists two nights ago. They're pretty awesome for tree demons. One of them has roots for feet, he's standing on very thin, plastic roots. I love that.
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Post by: decker_cky
Waldgeists will be popular treekin replacements. Great sculpts, pretty much the right size, and very affordable.
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
That Doppelganger makes me think of Hellraiser, And Samurai with Gatling guns?
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Post by: -Loki-
Jehan-reznor wrote:That Doppelganger makes me think of Hellraiser, And Samurai with Gatling guns?
Inspired by Sucker Punch.
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Post by: decker_cky
Pretty sure that's to scale with the crouching one too.
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Wyrd Chronicles - Volume 14 In this issue Scheme Pool: Tips for picking your schemes Unmask! Unmask!: A night at the governer’s mansion An Easy Mark: A TTB starter adventure Mr. Sticks’ Halloween: Life in a Malifaux orphanage Production Purgatory: A new Malifaux Scenario Professor Pontificates: Focus and Defensive Conditions Junior Whatnots: Come work for Wyrd A Malifaux battle report: Von Schill vs Marcus Wretched Rats: Outcast Out Activation 101 Miss Ery Loves Company: Mako paints a L.E. Teddy http://wyrd-games.net/community/page/index.html/_/wyrd-news/wyrd-chronicles-volume-14-r46 New terrain! Wyrd is working with Plast Craft Scenery to produce some new terrain for Malifaux players. http://wyrd-games.net/community/page/index.html/_/wyrd-news/plast-craft-some-more-sneak-peaks-r48
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Post by: Alpharius
Uh...wow.
WOW!
I'll take that terrain ASAP, please!
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Post by: Gertjan
Best thing is, if the price will be comparable with the other scenery that Plastcraft put out it's going to be very affordable to fill a table with it
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
That looks good, but its a little hard to tell whats textured plastic vs. printed cardboard. As I understand it, on their western buildings, the walls are actually flat plastic, and the boards are just drawn on. Cool to see Malifaux terrain as something other than western, which honestly doesn't fit the fluff for the city.
Also I want those spooky trees!
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Post by: -Loki-
At the price plastcraft charges, a few texture details being freehanded is expected.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
With the cover of the magazine, you'd have been entitled to think they would have adressed the issues of the Female MPM size. Ah well.
Does the last page mean we are due for the Kirai box set?
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Post by: Siygess
Mathieu Raymond wrote:With the cover of the magazine, you'd have been entitled to think they would have adressed the issues of the Female MPM size. Ah well.
Heh, point to you, sir! I didn't even pick up on that..
Edit: Hmm, does anyone else get the feeling that this all but confirms the death of Terraclips? Unlike CB, I see Wyrd as a one-partner kind of company when it comes to terrain.
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Post by: Forar
Hrm. I don't even play anymore at this point, but I might just have to try to snag a box of the clips if that's what might be happening.
Y'know, just in case.
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Post by: -Loki-
Chronicle 14 has a close up of the Crypt right up the back of that Plastcraft board. The brickwork is indeed freehanded. Which means the brickwork on the raised walkway will probably be freehand as well.
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Post by: Alpharius
Is there a miniature in the Malifaux range that has a pumpkin for a head?
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Yes Alph, The Carver. It is a limited edition model that has been made a few times such as last years Black Friday sales.
Plastic version is on the way soon as well.
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Post by: Alpharius
That's very nice!
I'm always on the lookout for miniatures with pumpkin heads - this one looks great!
Any idea on when the plastic one will be released?
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
No firm date yet as far as I am aware, others more in the know may be of more help.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
-Loki- wrote:Chronicle 14 has a close up of the Crypt right up the back of that Plastcraft board. The brickwork is indeed freehanded. Which means the brickwork on the raised walkway will probably be freehand as well.
Plastruct has a new process that pre-prints texture on their PVC foam. No texturing should be needed.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Plastruct... or Plastcraft? I'm confoozed.
All in all, though, I've been very happy with the Sarissa line of buildings. The Apartment Building is surprising good value for money, and with an extra 100(pounds) I'll have pretty much all I need for an urban environment. Not as cheap as Angry Mojo, but very, very beautiful.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Mathieu Raymond wrote:Plastruct... or Plastcraft? I'm confoozed.
All in all, though, I've been very happy with the Sarissa line of buildings. The Apartment Building is surprising good value for money, and with an extra 100(pounds) I'll have pretty much all I need for an urban environment. Not as cheap as Angry Mojo, but very, very beautiful.
Sorry, got my manufacturers mixed up. Plastcraft is what I meant.
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Post by: -Loki-
I know they can, I have some of their Bourak buildigns that have designs moulded in the surfaces. Some of the details on the Malifaux buildings definitely look the same. However, the closeup in Chronicle on the Crypt handily has a light source reflecting on the brickwork, and it definitely looks flat and simply painted on.
I'm happy to be wrong, but it really doesn't look like the brickwork is mouled in.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Where'd you hear that? I've never seen anything saying that...
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Post by: -Loki-
Probably an assumption based on the new art in Crossroads, which is much more lithe and agile looking than the current model, also with some design differences like instead of hands it has hookblades attached to its wrists.
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Post by: Galen
November Game Trade Magazine has box art and part number (WYR 20419) for Neverborn Carver, but no price listed.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Oh. That's... irritating. Think that'll make it the only model from 1e that's still in 2e but not getting a card in the arsenal decks :/
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Post by: Breotan
It looks a little cartoonish but that pretty well suits Malifaux, I guess. Too bad those wood buildings I bought awhile back are going to look out of place next to them. :(
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
@SpirallingCadaver yup as Galen says it has been listed on a number of miniature sites, just no firm date yet a bit like the zombie box.
As for the Plast Craft Scenery on their facebook page they say that it is "fully textured". A few more images on their social media:
https://www.facebook.com/plastcraftgames/photos/pcb.858172800883942/858169644217591/?type=1&theater
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Post by: -Loki-
Very nice if it is fully textured. Hopefully the release will be sometime before Christmas. I'm still deciding what I want off the missus, and this is just the thing.
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Post by: Alpharius
VERY nice looking stuff!
Make me feel a bit better for missing (not being able to afford) the Wolsung stuff.
Will definitely pick these up - next year!
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Post by: Breotan
Do they also make that overturned cart? I didn't see it in their Malifaux kits.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
I believe the cart is going to part of the terrain kits.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Or in the grim darkness of the distant future, maybe Dreamforge will actually release their building kits. Who knows?
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Post by: -Loki-
Breotan wrote:Do they also make that overturned cart? I didn't see it in their Malifaux kits.
I'm sure you'd be able to buy any MDF or plasticard cart and just lay it on its side for the same effect though.
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Post by: Absolutionis
December releases: Salvage and Logistics (Outcasts Leviticus Boxed Set) Of Metal and Flesh (Guild Hoffman Boxed Set) Crooked Men (Resurrectionists) Hannah (the bad Hulk-Smash sculpt) Hog-Whisperer (Gremlins) Pigapult (Gremlins) I'm sad Alyce lost her plaid kilt and her affiliation with Ramos. No model renders available yet. No model renders available yet.
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Post by: ClockworkChaos
Salvage and Logistics (Outcasts Leviticus Boxed Set)=Instagrab for me. I have been waiting for that box for a while. These releases look pretty good so far.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Do note that these modern releases for Malifaux are $50 for a Master's boxed set. The price of the older sets hasn't increased, but the newer sets are $50.
The Leviticus set does seem to have a ton of stuff to justify the price, though.
The Hoffman set art seems to have something off to the right. No way they're going to charge $50 for Hoffman, a Guardian, a Hunter, and a Watcher. That's more than their metal variants bought individually. At least the Leviticus set seems like great value compared to their metal variants.
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Post by: Paradigm
On one hand, "Oh no, no Lucius crew."
On the other, "Oh good, no Lucius crew, I can catch up on the Deadzone and Infinitystuff I've missed."
Still hope we ger Lucius early next year, though.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Paradigm wrote:On one hand, "Oh no, no Lucius crew."
On the other, "Oh good, no Lucius crew, I can catch up on the Deadzone and Infinitystuff I've missed."
Still hope we ger Lucius early next year, though.
Lucius is a November 14th release. Enjoy!
Sorry, I don't play Guild much and didn't think it was that new. Apparently Lucius is a Neverborn/Guild master now...?
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Post by: Paradigm
Well damn/hooray! I've been waiting for that one since it was previewed at Gencon, but at the moment I'm in full sci-fi mode, so it'll have to be one for the Xmas list...
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Post by: -Loki-
Well, he is a Mimic afterall.
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Post by: Absolutionis
True, but he's supposed to be hidden. This would be like the Viktorias also becoming Neverborn masters. Having Lucius leading a bunch of Nephilim would probably raise more than a few eyebrows.
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Post by: -Loki-
However, Lucius leading some other Mimics or more human looking Woe wouldn't. Having Candy, a Beckoner or two or a Doppleganger along for the ride might be a touch creepy for the Guild guys with them, but they still look human and Malifaux itself is a creepy place, so it would possibly get overlooked. This is one of those things where it seems they've opened it up for some more fluffy crews, like having some other Mimics tag along, but also simply opens it up for the bizarre, like having a Teddy tag along.
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Post by: ClockworkChaos
-Loki- wrote:However, Lucius leading some other Mimics or more human looking Woe wouldn't. Having Candy, a Beckoner or two or a Doppleganger along for the ride might be a touch creepy for the Guild guys with them, but they still look human and Malifaux itself is a creepy place, so it would possibly get overlooked.
This is one of those things where it seems they've opened it up for some more fluffy crews, like having some other Mimics tag along, but also simply opens it up for the bizarre, like having a Teddy tag along.
I feel like Lucius would be like "Oh the Teddy? Kids party, no need to worry about that."
Also when he is in the Neverborn isn't the upgrade to take guild- Surprisingly Loyal? I mean I feel like the guild who do hang around him have seen a lot of messed up stuff and probably stop questioning what goes on at this point.
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Post by: overtyrant
Where's my shelling and katakana snipers lol!
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Well, McMourning has been operating under the guild noses forever, and now has earned enough trust to run operations on his own, so lucius isn't that far of a stretch by comparison.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
spiralingcadaver wrote:Well, McMourning has been operating under the guild noses forever, and now has earned enough trust to run operations on his own, so lucius isn't that far of a stretch by comparison.
In fact, it's because of Lucius that McMourning is able to do those things... McMourning, after all, is aware of Lucius's true nature, having seen what is under the mask. He's one of the few that has, in fact.
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Post by: ImAGeek
That Leviticus set is awesome. Been waiting for that since we saw the concept art God knows when. Hoffman looks cool from the art, wish we had model renders though.
Is the Dreamer box out properly yet? I think that might be my first Malifaux purchase.
I do also quite like the Lucius box, considering I normally prefer the ones with some kinda monsters in as opposed to all humans... And out of curiosity, what is under his mask?
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Post by: -Loki-
Is it just me or does the Leviticus render side have a bad copy/paste error - I see 'lost love' which would be from the Kirai set?
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Post by: TwilightSparkles
Crossroads has a background story with Lucius revealing himself as a never born to someone as well. Was hoping for news of the rumoured plastic Carver.....
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TwilightSparkles wrote:Crossroads has a background story with Lucius revealing himself as a never born to someone as well. Was hoping for news of the rumoured plastic Carver.....
Same here!
The quest for the perfect pumpkin-headed miniature continues!
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
TwilightSparkles wrote:Crossroads has a background story with Lucius revealing himself as a never born to someone as well. Was hoping for news of the rumoured plastic Carver.....
I really wish they'd just do resin/metal for limited editions. Plastic molds cost so much it doesnt make a lot of sense to make them for small runs, and it screws over the consumer by resulting in higher prices.
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Post by: Zond
Those Bound By Laws guys look cool. I wish they all had funky ballroom masks, but that might be a fun easy conversion for me to try if I ever get around to picking up Malifaux. :-P
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Post by: Buzzsaw
-Loki- wrote:Is it just me or does the Leviticus render side have a bad copy/paste error - I see 'lost love' which would be from the Kirai set?
I'm glad I wasn't the only person that noticed that.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Jeez, those abominations really live up to their name, don't they?
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Absolutionis wrote:
The Hoffman set art seems to have something off to the right. No way they're going to charge $50 for Hoffman, a Guardian, a Hunter, and a Watcher. That's more than their metal variants bought individually. At least the Leviticus set seems like great value compared to their metal variants.
Its the mechanical attendant (totem). So 1 large figure, 1 medium and 3 man sized. But still $50 for that is kind of weak compared to other boxes. In comparison, I got 3 50mm based beasts, a totem and 2 humans in the Marcus box.
I would assume Hoffman's box would include Ryle, henchman. Maybe the art isnt finalized?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Ryle's art has been around for some time, was in TTB
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Post by: -Loki-
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Absolutionis wrote:
The Hoffman set art seems to have something off to the right. No way they're going to charge $50 for Hoffman, a Guardian, a Hunter, and a Watcher. That's more than their metal variants bought individually. At least the Leviticus set seems like great value compared to their metal variants.
Its the mechanical attendant (totem). So 1 large figure, 1 medium and 3 man sized. But still $50 for that is kind of weak compared to other boxes. In comparison, I got 3 50mm based beasts, a totem and 2 humans in the Marcus box.
I would assume Hoffman's box would include Ryle, henchman. Maybe the art isnt finalized?
I doubt miniature size comes into it. It would be quantity of sprue used. Dreamer was $50au, while Pandora was $40au. Pandora was on one sprue (from memory) which included 7 models, one was on a 50mm base. Dreamer had 8 models and one was on a 50mm base, but it was an entire second sprue with Chompy Bits.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
-Loki- wrote:Bossk_Hogg wrote: Absolutionis wrote:
The Hoffman set art seems to have something off to the right. No way they're going to charge $50 for Hoffman, a Guardian, a Hunter, and a Watcher. That's more than their metal variants bought individually. At least the Leviticus set seems like great value compared to their metal variants.
Its the mechanical attendant (totem). So 1 large figure, 1 medium and 3 man sized. But still $50 for that is kind of weak compared to other boxes. In comparison, I got 3 50mm based beasts, a totem and 2 humans in the Marcus box.
I would assume Hoffman's box would include Ryle, henchman. Maybe the art isnt finalized?
I doubt miniature size comes into it. It would be quantity of sprue used. Dreamer was $50au, while Pandora was $40au. Pandora was on one sprue (from memory) which included 7 models, one was on a 50mm base. Dreamer had 8 models and one was on a 50mm base, but it was an entire second sprue with Chompy Bits.
Correct, but generally size plays into parts on the sprue. 5 figures is by FAR the lowest model count, and its safe to assume, part count. Granted, if Wyrd would stop doing fething irritating crap like making a 28mm figure's head 4 different pieces, it would help. However they clearly hate modelers and their sculptors are donkey-caves, so good luck on that...
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Post by: Yodhrin
Not being into Malifaux, a newbish question; do the individual models, or derivatives of them, come out as single miniatures at some point, and if so how long does it usually take? I took one look at the big robot in the Of Metal and Flesh box and thought "Why hallo thar Dark Mechanicum Thallax...", but buying 9+ boxed sets for that one model isn't really practical.
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Post by: -Loki-
Depends. Usually it's just the basic minions. If you mean that robot with the shield, probably not.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Hold on, in the Leviticus art that's been out for a while there was an awesome monster thing that's not in the box... What is it, and will it be out separately?
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Post by: -Loki-
Desolation Engine. I've seen a render of it but I don't know if the plastic is out yet.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I thought it was gonna be in the box... Although that would be a lot in the box.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
That'd be a ton of minis in that box... 5 human-sized (there's another Waif now), 4 few small, and one XL would be pretty pricey unless they made the abominations really tiny.
Ramos is the closest, with 1 XL, 3 humans, and 6 tiny, so it might have been possible, but the desolation engine is a serious looking kit.
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Post by: Bumpasses
where is the Nov release list?
-gb
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Post by: -Loki-
spiralingcadaver wrote:That'd be a ton of minis in that box... 5 human-sized (there's another Waif now), 4 few small, and one XL would be pretty pricey unless they made the abominations really tiny. Ramos is the closest, with 1 XL, 3 humans, and 6 tiny, so it might have been possible, but the desolation engine is a serious looking kit. Dreamer is big as well. 5 human sized (Dreamer, 3 Alps, Copellius), 3 small (Daydreams) and 1 XL (Chompy). Though the Daydreams are really small. But the Chompy is humungous and takes a sprue himself.
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Post by: bbb
I don't think they've posted an official November release list, but based off the below link I think it will be the following:
http://www.thewarstore.com/wyrdpreorders.html
Guild: Guard ~ NOV 14
Guild: Bound by Law (Lucius) BOX Set ~ NOV 14
Resurrectionists: Vengeful Spirits (Kirai) BOX Set ~ NOV 14
Resurrectionists: Mindless Zombie ~ NOV 14
Outcasts: Freikorpsmann ~ NOV 14
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Post by: Siygess
I see the Troll Trader are selling a new line of pretty cheap mdf terrain, some of which is suited for Malifaux. Considering that it's from "TTCombat" I have a sneaking suspicion that Troll Trader have just purchased themselves a laser cutter
While the buildings are pretty cool, I really like the smaller stuff such as the carriage and the market set.
Just do a search for TTCombat on fleabay.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Why hello there plastic Carver:
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Post by: Absolutionis
Alpharius wrote:I'm always on the lookout for miniatures with pumpkin heads - this one looks great!
Any idea on when the plastic one will be released?
Found an image on Reddit of the Plastic Carver that you all were talking about from a while back.
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Post by: motyak
Ok here's the Black Friday releases from AWP on facebook, may not be everything though
And here are the specials. This is where I'm really disappointed. I want the performer she looks like an amazing sculpt, but no way I'm able to drop 300 just to get that model. Hopefully ebay is gentle I guess :(
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
motyak wrote:And here are the specials. This is where I'm really disappointed. I want the performer she looks like an amazing sculpt, but no way I'm able to drop 300 just to get that model. Hopefully ebay is gentle I guess :(
+1.
I feel those price points are too high for freebies. Said so in as reasonable a way as I could on Wyrd's forums, felt I got shouted down by fanboys. As much as I like Wyrd, that was rather frustrating.
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Post by: Siygess
So... the female multi-part kit makes an appearance. These were conspicuous by their absence during gencon which makes me wonder if they discretely fixed the scale issue after all.
Too bad about the $300 level for the performer, though. That's the only promotional mini I would be interested in. Shoot :(
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
My guess is the female kit will be just what the backers got in the KS,
a wee bit too big for those that are worried by scale (especially since they don't specifically say it's been changed)
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Post by: -Loki-
Looks like I'll be ordering Nekima and the Carver, and that's it. But that's not a bad pair of miniatures.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
spiralingcadaver wrote: motyak wrote:And here are the specials. This is where I'm really disappointed. I want the performer she looks like an amazing sculpt, but no way I'm able to drop 300 just to get that model. Hopefully ebay is gentle I guess :(
+1.
I feel those price points are too high for freebies. Said so in as reasonable a way as I could on Wyrd's forums, felt I got shouted down by fanboys. As much as I like Wyrd, that was rather frustrating.
Wyrd's forums are pretty much just an echo chamber. The female multipart mini sprues were obviously fethed up in terms of scale, and the mental gymnastics the fanboys went through to make Wyrd not at fault was astounding. Automatically Appended Next Post: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:My guess is the female kit will be just what the backers got in the KS,
a wee bit too big for those that are worried by scale (especially since they don't specifically say it's been changed)
Its not just that their scale is big, its also that their legs are disproportionately long. I fixed some of mine by removing the stupid extra leg section between the boots and pants cuff and gluing the boot directly onto the pants. I'm not sure what kind of weird highwaters the ladies were wearing. The male sprue is totally great though.
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Post by: -Loki-
As a foreigner who has never participated in a Black Friday sale - what dates does the sale cover?
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Post by: motyak
-Loki- wrote:As a foreigner who has never participated in a Black Friday sale - what dates does the sale cover?
Seconding this, could I also add to the question when does it start (date and time), and what timezone is that time from? So I can try and figure out if I'll be ordering from work on my phone and neglecting my clients or if I can wait until I get home ha.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Usually starts late thursday night here, goes through some time monday IIRC
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Post by: -Loki-
So looks like it's all weekend, neat.
I really, really dig the new Nekima sculpt.
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Post by: Bubbatron
Nice to see what you get with Hoffman finally
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Post by: motyak
Miss Terious is available again for a while? Sold. Similarly on Bound By Law and maybe Hoffman's crew too, although not 100% there.
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Post by: -Loki-
What's the chance of these getting to Australia for Christmas? Because my brother want's to give Perdita a try, so he'd dig Miss Terious. I'd go with Alternative Perdita but he already bought the metal Perdita because he likes the pose.
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Post by: Siygess
Oh cool, the Nightmare Tara box will be on sale. Damn, guess I will be spending ~$150 after all!
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah about time! Not sure I'm sold though. I don't like the Guardian, and have you seen how spindly the harpoon is on the Hunter render!
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Post by: guardpiper
Siygess wrote:So... the female multi-part kit makes an appearance. These were conspicuous by their absence during gencon which makes me wonder if they discretely fixed the scale issue after all.
Too bad about the $300 level for the performer, though. That's the only promotional mini I would be interested in. Shoot :(
Like you and some others I am in the boat. Other then bound by law she is the only model I really want. I am going to see if I can try and get a group of people to order with me and just let them know that I want the performer model and everyone else can fight over the other three models.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Merris LaCroix is an amusing Gremlin-bend of Kaeris:
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
I agree that $300 is just too much money to justify those freebies. Especially with the added postage, potential import fees and inevitable month long wait to have them delivered.
Can anyone on here explain what the allure is of the pre-coloured crew box sets? I just do not understand them.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
I think the transparent ones are cool for effects: I've been working on a wispy/partially transparent set of Woes from last year; I really like how the ice gamins look but think the ice golem is too blue to look like ice, still considering that one; ghosty stuff for kirai and dreamer look cool enough, would be considering them if I hadn't spent a bajillion hours on my dreamer crew and if there weren't a ton of spirits for ressers so I think they'd look out of place. Tara looks very good in clear, but I've already painted up her regular crew, so I don't see a great need to repeat.
Dayglow? No clue. You'll get the same effect with the right primer. Seems like a waste of resources and an excuse to bring an unpainted crew to a tournament.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Thanks, I had not even considered adding paint to them, with that you could get some amazing effects. I agree on expanding the crews though, half transparent and half normally painted miniatures would just look odd.
Good that The Carver looks like it will be a standard release, but I fear for the ebay price of that Performer.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Isn't the whole point of the really expensive freebies to let the produce a mini to reward their volunteers crew with ?
yes they make it available to those that have to get everything as well, but you do have to pay a lot for it
really it's there too keep the volunteers sweet and interested (who often turn around and sell them on too)
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Post by: cincydooley
I like the performer a lot, but no way I'm spending $300. That's some crazy talk right there.
Additionally, and in light of said performer, when the heck is the Colette Box coming?!
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Thanks, I had not even considered adding paint to them, with that you could get some amazing effects. I agree on expanding the crews though, half transparent and half normally painted miniatures would just look odd.
Good that The Carver looks like it will be a standard release, but I fear for the ebay price of that Performer.
I'm grabbing the Pandora box. At least for the sorrows/poltergeist, I was planning on using clear bases w LED's in mine, and some translucent white paint on the highlights. Automatically Appended Next Post: cincydooley wrote:I like the performer a lot, but no way I'm spending $300. That's some crazy talk right there.
Additionally, and in light of said performer, when the heck is the Colette Box coming?!
Hopefully they'll redo the art, because its just terrible. I'd grab the metals now if you can.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Is that the USD 16 miniature that's not linked in the email?
...Okay, that I must have.
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Post by: motyak
In case anyone is watching here but not their store, its up and going.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Thanks for the heads-up. Got leveticus and a bunch of old metals (hoffman's crew wasn't enough of an improvement to be worth paying more than double for plastic, for instance)
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Post by: motyak
I ended up spending way too much...sigh. Hopefully the three exclusives I don't want will help make the pain go away a little.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Hmm, if I'd been closer to hitting $300, I'd have probably done that, too.
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Post by: motyak
I'd recommend if you are mid-high 200s or so bump a few things in for the 300, the two models will more than compensate you for the extra 40 or so. In my opinion.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Yeah, I was actually just below $150 with shipping bumping me up (got the note saying I qualified so I'm safe on those).
If I'd been within 70 or so, I'd have probably gotten a couple LE things for trade fodder or splurged on something I knew I wasn't going to paint, but with that much and a rather light financial year, it wasn't happening.
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Post by: GiraffeX
I was going to get a Miss Terious but she's out of stock already
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Post by: Absolutionis
Seems that some images of December Releases are up alongside other releases: Outcasts Freikorps Hulksmash Hannah: Gremlins Hog Whisperer: Gremlins Pig-a-Pult Gremlins Piglets Gremlins Warpig Resurrectionists Ashigaru Resurrectionists Rogue Necromancy Neverborn Dreamer Boxed Set Neverborn Nekima Outcasts Abominations (Leviticus) separate boxed set from Levi set. Outcasts Desolation Engine (Leviticus) Ten Thunders Katakana Snipers There's also a Neverborn Carver for Alpharius:
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Post by: Alpharius
Ha!
I love it!
Thanks for posting this - it is a good reminder to go off and buy him!
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Post by: Absolutionis
Anyone who bought the Nekima model for $35 during the Black Friday sale is eligible for a refund of $10 or a refuction on their next order. The model was supposed to be $25. http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/105194-nekima-announcement/ The Wyrd office gets pretty crazy from right before Thanksgiving right up until the end of the year. This is because we have the big Black Friday company birthday sale to prepare for, and then to process as we also get ready for year end. In all the rush and efforts, there are some errors that come through. The first, as was already announced, was the Widow Weaver. We saw that it was mistakenly added to the sale when it showed up on the first order we went to process. A couple of days later, we saw that Nekima had been improperly priced on the store. She was not meant to be $35, but rather to come in at $25. Unfortunately, while we recognized this error, Nathan had a family medical emergency and had to leave the office. We've finally all had a chance to discuss the issue and figure out how we were going to resolve it for the community, and the answer is via a refund of the difference. This refund will be processed similar to the Widow Weaver refund, which is a refund via PayPal of the difference the price reduction would make to your order. We'll be processing this starting in a few days, so refunds should begin to be coming to those who purchased soon. I, on behalf of the Wyrd team, would like to apologize for the error and again apologize for the delay in being able to address it. We want to do right by our customers and the community, and in our efforts to do as much as we can, we sometimes make an error of oversight. In this instance, it was difficult to address the issue right away because of a personal matter. We appreciate everyone bearing with us. We appreciate all of you, and will continue to always strive to improve our products and our processes while giving the most we possibly can to this wonderful community.
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Post by: skarsol
i might have actually bought it at $25.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Kaeris render! It's beautiful! Supposedly the standing pose will be the normal release. Tha Hadouken-pose is being reserved for later named "The One Whose Coming Was Foretold." http://wyrd-games.net/community/page/index.html/_/wyrd-news/16th-february-monday-preview-r68
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Post by: Baragash
Nice!
Still no Show Girls though but this Kaeris render gives me comfort that they can produce great sculpts for them in plastic ( IMO the metal SGs are fantastic, but due to their slimness I had concerns about how they might come out in plastic).
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Post by: ChaoticMind
I have no doubt that they can make slim Show Girls having built the rail crew. I think the real question is will it be another Victorias/TtB female multipart result with giant warrior women.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Were there any releases for January or February? Anything concrete upcoming in March? Aside from Brewmaster, I mean.
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Post by: Paradigm
The TTB kits saw release in January, and the February pre-orders accdoring to Wayland Games are:
Abominations
Desolation Engine
Merris LaCroix
Dreamer Crew 'Hide and Seek'
In Defence of Innocence expansion book
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
So the Dreamer and Desolation Engine were a December release AND a February release? That's inspiring.
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Post by: Paradigm
It could be that the stock didn't get over here for December, and that's simply the store pre-order. I didn't realise they were already out Stateside.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Colette and a Mannequin. Much better than the in-book concept art. Looks more burlesque and less steampunk. Glad they brought back the iconic hat instead of the silly goggles. Mannequin is a bit of an odd pose, but it's along the same lines as the metal ones, at least. In-book art for comparison:
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Those performers are pretty dynamic, cool stuff.
Colette, still not sold. I'm expecting that the new one's technically better, but at least currently feel like the old one has more character, and am still a bit surprised how static she is- I was expecting her to be one of the more over the top ones.
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Post by: Absolutionis
The metal one was a bit static anyways. I still prefer that one anyways because of the smug facial expression and more stylized clothing.
I'm just happy they brought back the hat.
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Post by: Baragash
Hat FTW, any rumours on a release date?
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Colette looks a fair amount better - the hat adds a lot back and the skirt looks better. She still has the same flat affect face too many of their figures have, which is a shame. The lack of facial expressions is why I tend to prefer my older metal masters in almost all cases.
Manequin looks good. Really looking forward to the coryphee, as those are a royal PITA to assemble in metal.
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Post by: Paradigm
Lots of awesome there!
Right, noob questions incoming:
The 'Ironsides' crew, which faction is that? I'd guess Arcanists from the presence of the Mages, but I might be wrong.
And I'm guessing Tara is Neverborn?
And finally, while I'm here, how do mixed-faction Masters work? Can they use anything from either faction, or are there limits (and where can I find these limits?)
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Post by: Scrub
I have to say, Wyrd have some of the nicest 28mm plastic figs in the business, if you're into that pulpy steampunk aesthetic... even then there are some wonderful models in their own right.
That Troubleshooter box, everything to do with Ten Thunders and the Guild stuff just oozes cool!
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Ironsides are Arcanists.
Tara is a dual faction Outcast/Resurrectionist
and I have never really understood the dual faction thing.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I think I prefer that Tara box to the Nightmare one! I'm glad about that. I like the Collodi, Ironsides and Molly boxes too. And the Pale Rider is cool.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Ironsides are Arcanists.
Tara is a dual faction Outcast/Resurrectionist
and I have never really understood the dual faction thing.
Background wise: People often have divided loyalties.
Rules wise: you declare which faction you're going to use, and you can use that master (let's say Tara), as that declared faction only. So, if you've declared Ressers, you get the Resser upgrades, resser hiring pool, and do not get to hire Outcasts. Most dual faction masters, however, have a bit of built in flexibility in their hiring pool. Tara, for instance, can take "Dead of Winter" and that opens up certain options in her pool, regardless of faction taken.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah I like the dual faction thing, although it's prbably gonna make me end up with every faction...
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
Right, I'm going to be broke this summer.
Good god there are some quality models there, really going to be tough to stick to my gremlins
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Post by: ImAGeek
I already have Neverborn and Arcanist models (without ever having played a game), and I'm liking the look of some of the Ressurectionist and Ten Thunders models...
And Guild, thinking about it...
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Post by: GiraffeX
A lot, well all of those models are looking excellent.
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Post by: -Loki-
Collidi looks fantastic. Also, Brewmaster in May!
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Post by: guardpiper
I love how they now have a long release schedule. I will have to cheat my will power duel not to get Ironsides, but the those austringers will be mine come June.
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Post by: vorpalhit
Oh that Ironsides, she certainly gets my adrenaline going.
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Post by: grrrfranky
So many shiny things. Brewmaster may even get me to step outside my beloved guild, what's not to love about drunken ninja gremlins?
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Post by: Dr. What
I just bought Collodi (not that I care too much for Vasalisa anyway), but I'm very glad that the Widow Weaver is coming out and it will finally drive the price down on her metals.
(Plus it is now possible to mass-summon Teddies under the right conditions)
The crouching Austringer just looks off to me, but there is very little in this release that I can complain about.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I was hoping for Kaeris or Collette. Ironsides is cool, but I prefer my Arcanists to be more spellcastery.
Hard to pass up some M&SU models, though. Ironsides will have to do. I'm a fan of how she and the other Masters are decently low-profile.
I don't own Tara and never looked at her up close. Never realized the large hole in her chest until just now.
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Post by: porkuslime
Whereas I think I am out of luck..
I want one or 2 of the models from within the starter decks to loot for my Wild West games, but I cannot justify the purchase of a starter just for one fig..
Anyone know if it is possible to get Mouse, Toni Ironsides, and Karina separate?
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Post by: ChaoticMind
porkuslime wrote:Whereas I think I am out of luck..
I want one or 2 of the models from within the starter decks to loot for my Wild West games, but I cannot justify the purchase of a starter just for one fig..
Anyone know if it is possible to get Mouse, Toni Ironsides, and Karina separate?
Probably not, they don't appear to be splitting up crew boxes anymore. If there is a grunt type model they usually gets a separate box eventually but those 3 aren't grunts.
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Post by: grrrfranky
You could probably find someone who would take the Captain and mages off your hands if you bought the Ironsides box, and I'm not sure how popular Karina is, so someone might be willing to get rid of her.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Karina used to be pretty terrible, but they gave her an patch in the form of a 0ss upgrade, and now she's quite awesome, so less likely to end up as bits fodder. Not sure why you'd run her without Tara though.
The new plastics look good, though I'm already betting anything crouching is the wrong scale. I'm glad I got the Nightmare Tara though - the running poses don't do it for me (same w the new Von Schill).
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Bossk_Hogg wrote:Karina used to be pretty terrible, but they gave her an patch in the form of a 0ss upgrade, and now she's quite awesome, so less likely to end up as bits fodder. Not sure why you'd run her without Tara though.
The new plastics look good, though I'm already betting anything crouching is the wrong scale. I'm glad I got the Nightmare Tara though - the running poses don't do it for me (same w the new Von Schill).
Well, that would be illegal besides being limited, re: karina. Porkuslime just wants it for another game.
I might end up getting another Tara crew if my circle ends up using avatars, so the action pose would be converted to an avatar (and I can probably use more wretches), but otherwise, yeah, I definitely prefer her and karina's more static poses.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Toni Ironsides has a one piece head. @WyrdGames is listening to customer feedback! #yay! pic.twitter.com/prdf1XJ3xA — Matt Stanley (@Valhallan42nd) March 21, 2015
From my tweety feed.
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Post by: ImAGeek
spiralingcadaver wrote:Bossk_Hogg wrote:Karina used to be pretty terrible, but they gave her an patch in the form of a 0ss upgrade, and now she's quite awesome, so less likely to end up as bits fodder. Not sure why you'd run her without Tara though.
The new plastics look good, though I'm already betting anything crouching is the wrong scale. I'm glad I got the Nightmare Tara though - the running poses don't do it for me (same w the new Von Schill).
Well, that would be illegal besides being limited, re: karina. Porkuslime just wants it for another game.
I might end up getting another Tara crew if my circle ends up using avatars, so the action pose would be converted to an avatar (and I can probably use more wretches), but otherwise, yeah, I definitely prefer her and karina's more static poses.
I think I prefer Karinas static pose, but I hated the nightmare Tara model. I much prefer the running one. Luckily, seeing as I'm probably not gonna get a Nightmare one now haha.
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Post by: houshin
Well my Gremlins are going to get the expansions they need. I can already see myself grabbing the Brewmaster and Whiskey Golem. Merris is already paid for.
My burgeoning Guild Crew is going to get a few new toys as well.
And I can see myself starting an Arcanist crew with the release of Ironsides.
Arrgh who am I kidding. I will probably end up with 95% of the stuff released this summer...
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Post by: -Loki-
Weren't they looking at an entirely new production company due to customer complaints about how the current plastic were cut up for casting?
IIRC, Miss Ery was a test model from the new company.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Just got the email about the Easter Sale, annoyingly I spent about £120 on Malifaux the other day and can't afford to get anything. I'd love the war rabbit, and I got Dreamer, could've got the limited one, and I want Kirai, could've got the limited one... -.-
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
well if you bought online (from the UK) you could use the distance selling regs 14 day cooling off period for no quibble change of mind......
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Post by: ImAGeek
I've already got it and built it haha. Ah well, I'll survive.
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Post by: -Loki-
The War Rabbit is very, very tempting.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
I've no use for it whatsoever and a painting backlog that'll last me years, but I very much like that War Rabbit.
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Post by: -Loki-
Okay, I've decided I need the War Rabbit. To go with my Nightmare Whiskey Golem and keep him company until Brewmaster arrives. That's where my hobby money is going this week.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I'm hoping I can stretch to the War Rabbit. I don't even play Gremlins but I'm looking at Ten Thunders in the near future and I can use it with Brewmaster so...
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Post by: Alpharius
I always find it annoying that it is so difficult to see pictures of Malifaux stuff - and not just the fact that is is really difficult to track down pics of actual miniatures, but renders too now, apparently!
And this thread is shamefully devoid of pictures too!
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Post by: Paradigm
If you haven't seen it and are looking for mini pics, take a look at the blog Gmort's Chaotica; he has unboxings of pretty much every plastic kit that's out, both sprue and assembled:
http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/p/unboxing-malifaux.html
Pretty much the best place for Malifaux stuff.
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Post by: ImAGeek
And here are photos of the War Wabbit:
(spoilered cos ones huge)
It's $35 dollars. If you spend $100 you get the kneeling Kaeris, and $200 gets you the LE Performer. And you can get all the translucent and dayglo crews/models.
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Post by: cygnnus
ImAGeek wrote:And here are photos of the War Wabbit:
(spoilered cos ones huge)
It's $35 dollars. If you spend $100 you get the kneeling Kaeris, and $200 gets you the LE Performer. And you can get all the translucent and dayglo crews/models.
Dang it!!! That War Rabbit is *almost* enough to get me into Gremlins all buy itself! That's a *great* figure!
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: oomiestompa
What's this about an Easter Sale?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Well I'm assuming it's like their Black Friday sale, nothing's actually cheaper but you get to buy LE stuff and there's a couple of freebies at certain price points.
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Post by: houshin
Well grabbed the War Wabbit, Nightmare Whiskey Golem and the Alt Perdita while I was there. Enough to push me into the $100 bracket.
I wanted the Lady J as well but decided that I will hang on. Hopefully stores will be getting a restock soon. Otherwise I would have been looking for something to push it to $200, not something I want with a couple of Kickstarters due to end and the AdMech stuff at the end of the week.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I was gonna get the War Wabbit, Whiskey Golem and something else but the postage to UK was like half the price again and I just can't afford it right now, which sucks cos I really want that war Wabbit.
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Post by: houshin
I noticed that as well. Decided to take the risk on the lowest priced international delivery which was about $18-$20.
Probably won't arrive for 2-3 months but willing to wait for the War Wabbit, especially as I do play Gremlins.
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Post by: -Loki-
I used their cheapest delivery option when I ordered on Black Friday and during Gencon, and both orders arrived in normal international times (about 2 weeks to Australia) after getting shipping confirmation. I used it again this time. The other international shipping types cost more than the model.
This time I just snagged the Wabbit. I wanted the Nightmare Hanging Tree but just didn't have the money.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Nah, I can't do it. Just can't justify £30 ish with delivery for one model that's not even my faction. Ah well, I'll have to remember to save some money for black Friday or GenCon weekend this year and get some goodies then.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
The hanging tree's a nice piece and big enough that I understand the steep price, but you can only use one of the 3 models in most games, and another is basically just a display piece, and the third is just a duplicate of the first nearly.... and the one proxy model isn't even that great in-game so won't see a ton of use.
I think it's probably the worst value of any of the LE stuff I've gotten from them... think my favorites are the Dead Justice set (which effectively allows you to run a crew in one faction, or gives you the option of 10 different minions in another faction, with 4/5 sculpts being solid IMHO), miss Terious (just a nice sculpt) and the original nightmare teddy (the only teddy sculpt I like)
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Post by: Scrub
ImAGeek wrote:Nah, I can't do it. Just can't justify £30 ish with delivery for one model that's not even my faction. Ah well, I'll have to remember to save some money for black Friday or GenCon weekend this year and get some goodies then.
I'm in the exact same boat (of disappointment!) as you... It looks as though Gee Dubs and their Skitari win this round!
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Post by: Alpharius
Thanks for the link!
Very nice!
But it is still odd that that's the place to go for pictures - why no Official source?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
During the last set of metal models released, Wyrd had a lot of people complaining about the stylized paint jobs, about them being bad, not showing the minis well, etc.
I would guess that that, combined with how close the models are to their illustrations, are why Wyrd decided they didn't want to pay freelancers to paint their minis.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Scrub wrote: ImAGeek wrote:Nah, I can't do it. Just can't justify £30 ish with delivery for one model that's not even my faction. Ah well, I'll have to remember to save some money for black Friday or GenCon weekend this year and get some goodies then.
I'm in the exact same boat (of disappointment!) as you... It looks as though Gee Dubs and their Skitari win this round!
Welcome aboard! Wyrd still won haha, it's only cos I bought a load of malifaux a couple of weeks ago...
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Post by: -Loki-
spiralingcadaver wrote:During the last set of metal models released, Wyrd had a lot of people complaining about the stylized paint jobs, about them being bad, not showing the minis well, etc.
I would guess that that, combined with how close the models are to their illustrations, are why Wyrd decided they didn't want to pay freelancers to paint their minis.
That's what I heard as well. Also that their renders on the box are what the model will look like once constructed, so they let the render speak for the model. Automatically Appended Next Post: ImAGeek wrote:Nah, I can't do it. Just can't justify £30 ish with delivery for one model that's not even my faction. Ah well, I'll have to remember to save some money for black Friday or GenCon weekend this year and get some goodies then.
I bought the Nightmare Whiskey Golem during Gencon because it was awesome. I'm buying the War Wabbit because it's awesome. Limited edition miniatures don't always have to be bought because you collect the faction. Sometimes you just want to paint a rabbit leaping over easter eggs with a pair of Gremlins riding it and throwing up the horns.
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Yeah I get that sentiment, but not for £30 when I don't habe £30 to spend Automatically Appended Next Post: Yeah I get that sentiment, but not for £30 when I don't habe £30 to spend
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Post by: -Loki-
Just got the tracking number for my Wabbit, after spending the weekend trying to assemble my Whiskey Golem (nearly there - so much to do!).
This week I'm considering picking up Ophelias crew, then Brewmaster when its out, to go with them.
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
Ophelia is a hell of a beat stick. Stick her next to Lenny for maximum tears!
Can't wait for Brewie either!
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Post by: ImAGeek
Brewmaster does look awesome, what's not to love about a gremlin ninja alcohol connoiseur? But is it just me or does his crew box look a bit sparse? There's only 6 gremlin size models in it.
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
There's no real large model that suits the crew bar the Whiskey Golem, and that's too big for a crew box.
Mancha Roja was mentioned, but he doesn't really 'fit'.
I'll be picking up the Golem anyways as I'm weak willed!
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Post by: ImAGeek
The Division Of Joy wrote:There's no real large model that suits the crew bar the Whiskey Golem, and that's too big for a crew box.
Mancha Roja was mentioned, but he doesn't really 'fit'.
I'll be picking up the Golem anyways as I'm weak willed!
Mancha Roja has been mentioned for Wong, I assume that's where he'll be. It wasn't so much that there isn't a big model, but usually crews without a big model have more smaller models.
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
Brewie is more of a specialist, in the fact he doesn't fit with a lot of the stuff in his wave.
The box may end up a little cheaper, but I would put a small amount of cash on there being a bonus mini in that box...
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Post by: ImAGeek
The Division Of Joy wrote:Brewie is more of a specialist, in the fact he doesn't fit with a lot of the stuff in his wave.
The box may end up a little cheaper, but I would put a small amount of cash on there being a bonus mini in that box...
Yeah it's not really an issue, I'm assuming they won't charge as much for it as like Dreamer or something, just seems quite small compared to recent ones (it feels like the first plastic crews which generally have less models in, and were the Ten Thunders ones which Brewmaster also is, maybe it's something to do with that?)
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Post by: -Loki-
Brewmaster is $45us according to the release schedule, which IIRC is the mid range price bracket? Seems a bit high for 6 Gremlin sized models, but I can deal with it. They could have definitely put the Whiskey Golem in there. it's smaller than the Nightmare Whiskey Golem which was a single frame model and is smaller than Lord Chompy Bits. I'm guessing they left it out so Brewmaster players had something else to buy, since there's not a whole lot that goes with his crews theme. They could put Bad Juju in with Zoraida because you've still got Waldgeists and other Swampfiends that fit her theme.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
-Loki- wrote:Brewmaster is $45us according to the release schedule, which IIRC is the mid range price bracket? Seems a bit high for 6 Gremlin sized models, but I can deal with it.
They could have definitely put the Whiskey Golem in there. it's smaller than the Nightmare Whiskey Golem which was a single frame model and is smaller than Lord Chompy Bits. I'm guessing they left it out so Brewmaster players had something else to buy, since there's not a whole lot that goes with his crews theme. They could put Bad Juju in with Zoraida because you've still got Waldgeists and other Swampfiends that fit her theme.
$45 for six figures seems okay for me.
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Post by: ClockworkChaos
This has not been updated in quite a while- Does anyone want to post the rather large update in the Chronicles they just released? Has some cool gen-con stuff and an amazing Nightmare Collette crew set- Dark Carnival. I would do it but my computer kind of sucks at pdf stuff. Also some hints at what else is being released at Gencon- Jack's crew, Wongs crew, ect
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Do not forget the Dark Carnival for Gencon, it is a proxy for Colette:
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Post by: Boss Salvage
How could I skip such a sweet crew
- Salvage
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
It does look stunning, Wyrd continue to produce plastic miniatures at the very highest level.
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Post by: Guildsman
Oh wow. That's one of the creepiest crews they've put out in a while. Shame that it's so hard to get.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
They usually have the Nighmare editions on sale in the webstore over Gencon, and then usually again in the Black Friday Sales.
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Post by: Gertjan
Ah crap, I might actually have to swallow the shipping and taxes to get that one, it looks so damn awesome.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I think I might order that, and Jack Daw, during GenCon. Shipping's gonna be a killer.
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Post by: -Loki-
I'll be grabbing Dark Carnival and Colette. I know they're actually the same, but I love the Colette renders, but that Dark Carnival set...
Though I assume plenty of other stuff will be available. Maybe this time I'll log in to the sale in time to grab Miss Terious and Alt Perdita.
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Post by: Paradigm
That Dark Carnival Carnival set is awesome! Do these alt sets ever get general release? I like it, but postage/no discount is probably going to be a bit expensive for me.
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Post by: -Loki-
Paradigm wrote:That Dark Carnival Carnival set is awesome! Do these alt sets ever get general release? I like it, but postage/no discount is probably going to be a bit expensive for me. No, Nightmare sets are only available during sales or at, IIRC, Gencon. And after the first sale they're part of, their availability is strictly limited to what Wyrd produce for that particular sale usually at low quantities, so after the first sale they're kinda hard to get a hold of. They never go on general sale. The general rule with Nightmare kits is grab them when you can. Personally, I've been after alternate Perdita and Miss Terious for a while, but they're always sold out when I get online.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Looking at the trend and assuming a reasonably high volume required to make up for the work going in to a plastic crew, I'm expecting you'll see them as exclusives for a couple years at least, during events and sales.
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Post by: guardpiper
The only thing I want is the alt Wastrel. So then I can have a list with 4 of them and just swagger up and down the board while my opponent looks in disbelief at my cunning plan!
Pity they are not going to sell her, at least for now at any rate. I image she will become available later on.
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Post by: -Loki-
I'm hoping the Nightmare Hanging Trees will be available again. I always mean to grab them but never do. Hanging Trees, Dark Carnival and Colette should push me over $200 for whatever the $200 reward is, if any.
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Post by: houshin
Well this is going to get expensive. With collette, dark carnival and (hopefully) Wongs crew plus anything else to get the usual extra's. It's going to be expensive + 20% when the tax man wants his cut..
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Post by: ImAGeek
houshin wrote:Well this is going to get expensive. With collette, dark carnival and (hopefully) Wongs crew plus anything else to get the usual extra's. It's going to be expensive + 20% when the tax man wants his cut..
Would we have to pay VAT on top of the price and shipping then?
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Post by: Gertjan
ImAGeek wrote:houshin wrote:Well this is going to get expensive. With collette, dark carnival and (hopefully) Wongs crew plus anything else to get the usual extra's. It's going to be expensive + 20% when the tax man wants his cut..
Would we have to pay VAT on top of the price and shipping then?
It's from outside of the EU, so unless the Uk has different rules form the Netherlands, then yes, you have chance to be hit with vat and customs duties sadly enough. That's the reason I up till now haven't ordered from the wyrd store itself for the nightmare/limited models. This one look sso good though (and I'm sitting on a wad of cash after selliong my Eldar) that I might actually just go ahead and give it a go.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Gertjan wrote: ImAGeek wrote:houshin wrote:Well this is going to get expensive. With collette, dark carnival and (hopefully) Wongs crew plus anything else to get the usual extra's. It's going to be expensive + 20% when the tax man wants his cut..
Would we have to pay VAT on top of the price and shipping then?
It's from outside of the EU, so unless the Uk has different rules form the Netherlands, then yes, you have chance to be hit with vat and customs duties sadly enough. That's the reason I up till now haven't ordered from the wyrd store itself for the nightmare/limited models. This one look sso good though (and I'm sitting on a wad of cash after selliong my Eldar) that I might actually just go ahead and give it a go.
Shipping's gonna be bad enough anyway, depending on the price I dunno if I'll be able to afford it really.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
I REALLY want that Dark Carnival
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
A few more Gencon models, (The pictures are massive, if people would prefer them spoilered just ask)
The Miss model is an alternate Wastrel (McCabe Crew)
4 Riders: (these will get a standard release some time post Gencon)
And the Effegies (again a later standard release)
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Post by: houshin
ImAGeek wrote: Gertjan wrote: ImAGeek wrote:houshin wrote:Well this is going to get expensive. With collette, dark carnival and (hopefully) Wongs crew plus anything else to get the usual extra's. It's going to be expensive + 20% when the tax man wants his cut..
Would we have to pay VAT on top of the price and shipping then?
It's from outside of the EU, so unless the Uk has different rules form the Netherlands, then yes, you have chance to be hit with vat and customs duties sadly enough. That's the reason I up till now haven't ordered from the wyrd store itself for the nightmare/limited models. This one look sso good though (and I'm sitting on a wad of cash after selliong my Eldar) that I might actually just go ahead and give it a go.
Shipping's gonna be bad enough anyway, depending on the price I dunno if I'll be able to afford it really.
Unfortunately if you get hit by customs it's 20% of the value of the order plus an £8 handling charge. I've been hit a couple of times on Kingdom Death but all my Malifaux stuff has escaped so far.
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Post by: ImAGeek
How do they actually charge you for that? Do you have to pay when you collect the parcel, or? I've never really ordered from abroad (mainly to avoid things like this haha).
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ImAGeek wrote:How do they actually charge you for that? Do you have to pay when you collect the parcel, or? I've never really ordered from abroad (mainly to avoid things like this haha).
I'mt hinking it depends on the mood of the person dealing with your package . I've had letters sent to me requesting information and a bill appearing before the package, I've had to pay the delivery person the money, I've gotten bills after I've received the package some weeks before. Ofcourse I've also had packages slip under the radar without having to pay anything. So I guess your mileage may vary
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What a weird system. I'll see how much the order is and how much the tax might be if I get charged it and see if I can afford it I guess.
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\Well, you can always see if you can piggyback with someone else ordering from them during gencon, would at the least cut down on shipping costs.
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Yeah, but then there's the hassle of 'who gets whichever exclusive models there are for the order size' haha.
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ImAGeek wrote:How do they actually charge you for that? Do you have to pay when you collect the parcel, or? I've never really ordered from abroad (mainly to avoid things like this haha).
In the UK they send you something similar to those "I was five minutes from the end of my shift so I knocked once as quietly as I could then sprinted away from your door...erm, I mean you were out sorry we missed you..." cards except these ones demand you pay them money before they'll deliver.
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ImAGeek wrote:Yeah, but then there's the hassle of 'who gets whichever exclusive models there are for the order size' haha.
It's a while since I paid one, but I think you log in online (or phone) and pay the £8 then they'll try and deliver.
@Yodhrin: my wife was sitting at home on Wednesday when the status on an Amazon Prime delivery changed to "delivered to resident".......yeah. 2 days later it actually got delivered.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Already pre-ordered the Pale Rider and will order the Brutal Effigy once the GenCon stuff goes live. I really, really like that Wastrel Miss model. I have absolutely no use for 4 Wastrels, but I can't pass her up.
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Post by: -Loki-
I'm going on a hobby hiatus until gencon, because I have a feeling it's going to be expensive. Nightmare Hanging Trees (if they're available), Colette, Dark Carnival, Miss Terious (if I manage to grab one), Alt Perdita (if I manage to grab one), three effigies, Hooded Rider... Yeah, this is gonna cost me.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Almost positive miss T, and kinda sure perdita are gone.
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Annoying, but it will make my shopping list a bit lighter.
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Post by: ClockworkChaos
I think I will be in for the Dark Carnival and an Effigy, that should put me over the $100 price that they usually add in the Miss of the year right? One day though, I dream that they will add the THB Hannah. I really want that model and I don't want to ever use the other Hannah. I can hope/dream right?
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Post by: -Loki-
TTB Hannah, IIRC, is not going to be sold. So you're going to have to trawl ebay and pay through the nose for it. I just relaised that the lack of Miss Terious and Alt Perdita will give me the money for the Hooded Rider. Awesome.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Also remember that Wyrd is doing a buy-from-FLGs $60 promotional this month that'll get you a free Johanna if you have a receipt.
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Post by: -Loki-
Already bought Brewmaster and a pack of Slop Haulers. Going to send the receipt in this week,
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And lo, the 2 player starter set appears.
This is a pretty amazing set. The fact they went the extra mile and made them unique models, with their own cards, that are also mercenaries usable by other factions rather than just their own, is so good for a starter. You can start, split the box with a friend, grab the Neverborn or Guild, and decide you much prefer Arcanists. And those Neverborn or Guild can still be used. That's how you do starter forces.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
If it's not too much I can see myself finally succumbing to Malifaux.
The poses on those starter figures are kinda blah compared to some of the other plastics they've released, but that is most certainly the type of set I've been wanting to get.
Plus a plastic Hooded Rider. Been waiting for that model.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
That Scion of Black Blood is incredibly bad - like sub Zombicide season 1 bad. The rest look ok to pretty good. I'm not sure about the "over a $100 value" bit. The crews arent full crews, the two decks are $14.50 total, and a full rules manual is $15, and this one is just a quick start stapled booklet This would be a good value at $60-70 or so though. What's the retail supposed to be?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
The "everything's mercs" thing is a good choice, and the models are pretty solid minus some static nonsense... but what's with the $100 tag? I mean 2x 6-man crews + a mini-rulebook is about the same... but is a printed book and has 4 more minis.
EDIT: didn't see the decks. Yeah, that's around $100, except newbs can get by with playing cards and vets already have decks.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Bossk_Hogg wrote:That Scion of Black Blood is incredibly bad - like sub Zombicide season 1 bad. The rest look ok to pretty good. I'm not sure about the "over a $100 value" bit. The crews arent full crews, the two decks are $14.50 total, and a full rules manual is $15, and this one is just a quick start stapled booklet This would be a good value at $60-70 or so though. What's the retail supposed to be?
If you go with their price of $12 a fate deck, that's $24 there. I'm getting the value to be around $120, using some estimates.
Fate decks - $24
Rule book - $15
Orderlies - $16 (Neverborn 2 pack of Beckoners is $16)
Nurse Heartsbane - $11 (Neverborn single models are $11)
Dr. Grimwell - $11 (Same as nurse)
Bloodwretches - $18 (Cheapest Guild 2 pack I found was $18)
Scion of Black Blood - $11 (Same as nurse)
Angel Eyes - $11 (Same as nurse)
Measuring Tapes - $5 (Estimating, no idea their size or design)
Cards - Free (Part of purchase with all 2E models)
That's a $122 value. Granted, the digital rules may be valued cheaper, but it's definitely over $100 like they say. I too am curious about the price point. I'm thinking $60-75, probably on the higher end.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
That's rather generous, since what you really should be comparing it to is crew sets minus or perhaps the transmortis set but smaller.
Was there a price for this, though?
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Good point. I found the 2 packs to be a more consistent price per model than the box sets. For Guild the ppm varies between $6.43 and $8.33. For Neverborn the ppm varies between $5.56 and $8.00.
I was thinking also the size of the models being roughly the same as Beckoners or Guild Guard that they'd be priced about the same, for the Orderlies and Bloodwretches. Something like the Dreamer box which has a lot of small models and a large model had the lowest ppm count, due to having 9 models, but it's priced the same as Zoraida's box which only has 6 models which are larger.
I'm just thinking about how they could have come up with the "Over $100 value" is all. Only been playing for a bit, so I had never heard of the Transmortis box.
I've not seen a price anywhere, this photo seems to be the only thing that I've seen.
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Post by: -Loki-
Id assume the poses are static to avoid the problem some sets have of ridiculous bit counts. Like the 8 peice gremlins and Alps. Putting that in something intended to draw new players in - especially those new to the hobby - would be a disaster.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Whumbachumba wrote:Bossk_Hogg wrote:That Scion of Black Blood is incredibly bad - like sub Zombicide season 1 bad. The rest look ok to pretty good. I'm not sure about the "over a $100 value" bit. The crews arent full crews, the two decks are $14.50 total, and a full rules manual is $15, and this one is just a quick start stapled booklet This would be a good value at $60-70 or so though. What's the retail supposed to be?
If you go with their price of $12 a fate deck, that's $24 there. I'm getting the value to be around $120, using some estimates.
Fate decks - $24
Rule book - $15
Orderlies - $16 (Neverborn 2 pack of Beckoners is $16)
Nurse Heartsbane - $11 (Neverborn single models are $11)
Dr. Grimwell - $11 (Same as nurse)
Bloodwretches - $18 (Cheapest Guild 2 pack I found was $18)
Scion of Black Blood - $11 (Same as nurse)
Angel Eyes - $11 (Same as nurse)
Measuring Tapes - $5 (Estimating, no idea their size or design)
Cards - Free (Part of purchase with all 2E models)
That's a $122 value. Granted, the digital rules may be valued cheaper, but it's definitely over $100 like they say. I too am curious about the price point. I'm thinking $60-75, probably on the higher end.
I still feel its a stretch to arrive there. Singles are priced because they still have to outlay a flat base cost for each mold, packaging, etc. They price boxes of figures differently, and generally by sprue complexity. Each mini crew is likely a single sprue, and contains significantly less than any of their faction boxes. The through the breach multipart boxes have 10 figures for $35 with a higher complexity. The standard fate deck was $7.50, the fancy ones are $12, and I'd wager these are not the fancy ones. Also the the quick start booklet is more a stapled pamphlet, assuming its the one already shown. So not the $15 mini book.
Agreed they probably want to keep part numbers down for new players, but that still doesnt excuse the scion. Look at the shotgun stock, and the way the scion's hand is formed around it. He looks like a WIP. Oh well, can't knock it out of the park every time.
I do quite like Grimwell though. I think lots of their plastics tend towards faces that lack expression or character, but he looks great. Must have been swiping from McMourning's private stash!
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Post by: Whumbachumba
All good points, Bossk_Hogg. I do believe them with the "Over $100 value", but no way to know how much it's actually worth. I'm still relatively new to Wyrd, so I'm just going with what makes sense in my head.
Didn't know about the old fate decks, have only seen the $12 ones. I could see them doing something similar to the Arcane decks and have each one a different color. I do agree with you that they're going to be basic decks though.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
-Loki- wrote:Id assume the poses are static to avoid the problem some sets have of ridiculous bit counts. Like the 8 peice gremlins and Alps. Putting that in something intended to draw new players in - especially those new to the hobby - would be a disaster.
Good point.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Angel Eyes is an Arcanist? With the Blood Wretches, I'd think it was Neverborn. Dr Grimwell also reminds me of Resurrectionists if only because of McMourning and how all of Grimwell's friends have killy names.
I'm secretly hoping that Angel Eyes is the Lucius-equivalent for the Arcanists and the group is a bunch of Neverborn. Neverborn with guns sounds like an exciting new thing.
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Post by: Dr. What
It's Neverborn (humans infected with Black Blood and becoming Neverborn) vs. Guild (The Insane Asylum a few Chronicles back).
Justin, the lead game designer, stated he wanted to mix things up with this. All the models are very straightforward, but Neverborn (known for their lack of good ranged options) are getting a straightforward shooting Henchman and the Guild are getting a speedy melee model (McMourning lite).
Additionally, all of them are Mercenaries.
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Post by: -Loki-
Angel Eyes and Scion of Black Blood are going to add so much to a Lilith crew. Tuco has been their only real shooter for so long. Having 2, maybe 3 with Scion, solid shooters will be great options. Interested to see what the Bloodwretches are. Liliths brood tend to be fast and fragile, so something slower and a bit tankier would be a great change.
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Post by: Dr. What
So for Gencon, so far we have:
The Dark Carnival (Nightmare Edition Colette crew with Alice Cooper at the lead)
Miss Anne Thrope (Female Wastrel, but would also make a great Ronin or Desperate Mercenary. Also, this is the first multi-pose Miss Model).
Jack Daw, Colette, and Wong have been confirmed.
It is incredibly likely that Shenlong, Hamelin, Mah Tucket, Ulix, and Kaeris (who has been shown off since Adepticon with her crew) will also make an appearance, barring production issues.
Additionally, there will be a TTB expansion (Into the Steam) and Northern Aggression (an individual campaign) as well as the new board game, Darkness Comes Rattling.
There will also be Transmortis-esque scenario books with kits. These are the Crossroads Seven (Wave 3 Tormented Mercenaries that each go to one of the factions, but the Neverborn one, Wrath, is basically a leader for any faction (so long as you have 4 of the 7 in your crew). Gluttony, Wrath, and Lust have been revealed in the art, but their fluff is meh. Lust is almost a straight Lindsey Sterling pose (+ asian features and crazy hair), which is awesome.
The other book is about Hamelin and Rats. Will likely include Rats/Rat Kings/Rat Catchers (4/2/2 respectively).
The Wave 3 book is called Shifting Loyalties and features Hayreddin (Neverborn turned Ressurectionist) on the cover. It will have campaign rules as well as the Wave 3 models.
2 new decks of upgrades will be out. 1 has all the campaign upgrades (items and Avatars), the other has every generic upgrade for every faction (great if you only bought crew boxes and never any models).
Insidious Madnesses, SnowStorm, Silent Ones (a 2 pack), Komainu, Drowned, Shikome (likely Gaki, Datsue Ba, and Jaakuna too) should all be making appearances as well.
Hopefully Lizzy Lovelace/Missingno will make an appearance as well, but I doubt it. :(
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Post by: wana10
Where have the pics of the tormented 7 been released?
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Post by: Dr. What
Gluttony was out on the Wryd Forums, Wrath (could be Greed) appears on the cover of one of the books shown, and Lust was given to stores. Henchmen also saw one, but are forbidden from talking about it.
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Post by: -Loki-
Oh man if Mah Tucket shows up...
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Post by: Dr. What
I'm much more afraid of Ulix hitting the shelves.
Let's give the Sow a chain of charges for 1 AP....
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
I was hoping for Trixie to show up, she's awesome! Finding it difficult to leave her out no matter what master I end up using
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Post by: -Loki-
The Division Of Joy wrote:I was hoping for Trixie to show up, she's awesome! Finding it difficult to leave her out no matter what master I end up using
She'll be in Mah Tuckets crew box. So if Mah turns up, you've got Trixie. Automatically Appended Next Post: Dr. What wrote:
I'm much more afraid of Ulix hitting the shelves.
Let's give the Sow a chain of charges for 1 AP....
I'm not overly interested in Ulix. But Mah will have Trixibelle and probably Bayou Bushwackers, which I do want.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
Crossroads Seven
Starter set Fate Decks
Monday Preview blog from Wyrd has the starter set listed for $65. That's a great deal for what you get, imo!
http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/109235-june-29th-lots-o-goodies/
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
OK, rather nice art on those decks! $65 is reasonable IMO.
Is the band going to be one box? If so, that will be expensive!
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