Personally I think the only one you might have right is the broadside. I don't see a resemblance to the Jager other than the fact that they're both bipedal, humanoid robots, and if that's the case then you might as well compare them to every mecha design ever...although the head does look similar, even has the bunny ears. I also don't see how those are fire warriors, the only similarity is the mono-lens helmet, they look pretty generic otherwise.
Anyway, as for stocking up on old suits, I have to admit it did tempt me to wade through eBay trying to find cheap suits, but I'm kinda curious to see if the new ones won't be re-cut with more bits. I want to see the sprues first, it might almost be worth it to buy the new box if that's the case. But maybe I'm being too optimistic.
I know I came back after I said I wouldn't but I'm being on-topic this time.
Sidstyler wrote: Personally I think the only one you might have right is the broadside. I don't see a resemblance to the Jager other than the fact that they're both bipedal, humanoid robots, and if that's the case then you might as well compare them to every mecha design ever...although the head does look similar, even has the bunny ears. I also don't see how those are fire warriors, the only similarity is the mono-lens helmet, they look pretty generic otherwise.
Anyway, as for stocking up on old suits, I have to admit it did tempt me to wade through eBay trying to find cheap suits, but I'm kinda curious to see if the new ones won't be re-cut with more bits. I want to see the sprues first, it might almost be worth it to buy the new box if that's the case. But maybe I'm being too optimistic.
I know I came back after I said I wouldn't but I'm being on-topic this time.
I'm curious to see what bits fly off the shelves after the 'dex comes out. There's gonna be a ton of rebuilding/painting going on, just not sure what that will be yet
Most of us know that gw makes new units uber and older units worse, but now, I can't see this with Tau.
The lines are too blurred as we have such an old codex.
I can't see the fire warriors getting better, but they will get cheaper. Crisis teams are an integral part of the army, I can see them getting cheaper and better as there are rumours stating that they will be able to have two of the same weapon on one suit, effectively doubling up on weapons.
Broadsides - a bone of contention with most players have been repurposed into a dangerous anti air unit.
But again, there is so much new stuff here that it is impossible to give an accurate assumption of what is going in. One week on Saturday and we'll all know.
So with it being implied that the Tau have another sphere of expansion, "Where do you guys think FW will leave it?"
Will it just stop at the Fourth Sphere of expansion that was started in the current 'dex or do you think GW will jump it up several spheres of expansion?
Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.
Sidstyler wrote: Personally I think the only one you might have right is the broadside. I don't see a resemblance to the Jager other than the fact that they're both bipedal, humanoid robots, and if that's the case then you might as well compare them to every mecha design ever...although the head does look similar, even has the bunny ears. I also don't see how those are fire warriors, the only similarity is the mono-lens helmet, they look pretty generic otherwise.
Anyway, as for stocking up on old suits, I have to admit it did tempt me to wade through eBay trying to find cheap suits, but I'm kinda curious to see if the new ones won't be re-cut with more bits. I want to see the sprues first, it might almost be worth it to buy the new box if that's the case. But maybe I'm being too optimistic.
I know I came back after I said I wouldn't but I'm being on-topic this time.
It's a lot more noticeable if you see the other pictures of the Jaeger in the sourcebook. There are weapon mounts on the shoulders that are identical to the ones on the crisis suits.
Of course, the weirdest bit of similarity is that the front end of the Hammerhead tank looks identical to the torso of the robot on the front of the book.
I can just imagine huge Tau colony ships, each representing a new sphere of expansion, using uncharted warp skips to leap to distant regions of the Galaxy and set up new colonies. The Tyranid threat having driven the Tau to look further afield to buy time to develop weaponry to combat the bugs. Each ship being a self-contained military, social and economic entity with an attached fleet.
Puscifer wrote: I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.
Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.
I think that's more just a problem with how their old codices were written, there's some cool new fluff for the Tau since then, like their interactions with the Dark Eldar and Necrons.
They tend to be painted as naive victims in the books of other races, but still, they are well and truly galactic members at this point, having had contact with basically everyone out there (except for maybe Grey Knights/ The Inquisition)
And realistically I don't think you can expect too much expansion, the Third Sphere was done during the 13th Black Crusade, when everyone was pretty busy, they can't keep doing that every time they want to expand.
Puscifer wrote: Most of us know that gw makes new units uber and older units worse, but now, I can't see this with Tau.
The lines are too blurred as we have such an old codex.
I can't see the fire warriors getting better, but they will get cheaper. Crisis teams are an integral part of the army, I can see them getting cheaper and better as there are rumours stating that they will be able to have two of the same weapon on one suit, effectively doubling up on weapons.
Broadsides - a bone of contention with most players have been repurposed into a dangerous anti air unit.
But again, there is so much new stuff here that it is impossible to give an accurate assumption of what is going in. One week on Saturday and we'll all know.
just a question for the bolded part? my warp talons and mutilators want to meet your designer..... its been said a million times, new units are not uber... look at the FF and MF are they uber? the only one that comes close to uber is the helldrake..... ( feel free to add examples from the other 6th ed codices for units that just ba-bow fail)
Puscifer wrote: I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.
Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.
I think that's more just a problem with how their old codices were written, there's some cool new fluff for the Tau since then, like their interactions with the Dark Eldar and Necrons.
They tend to be painted as naive victims in the books of other races, but still, they are well and truly galactic members at this point, having had contact with basically everyone out there (except for maybe Grey Knights/ The Inquisition)
And realistically I don't think you can expect too much expansion, the Third Sphere was done during the 13th Black Crusade, when everyone was pretty busy, they can't keep doing that every time they want to expand.
and just a little bolded humour, no one remembers meeting the grey knights.... and lives
Sounds like a few people need to realise 'influenced by' means 'may take some styling cues from', rather than 'OMG IT'S A TOTAL COPY OF EVERYTHING'.
Tau ARE influenced by anime. Absolutely. To say otherwise is daft. YES, they have other influences. Absolutely.
Let's all stop agreeing violently!!!
In other news, the new models look great. May be tempted to pick up some Tau at this rate. The only thing likely to stop me is my hatred of edge highlighting... doesn't look like they're drybush-abble!!!
ausYenLoWang wrote: just a question for the bolded part? my warp talons and mutilators want to meet your designer..... its been said a million times, new units are not uber... look at the FF and MF are they uber? the only one that comes close to uber is the helldrake..... ( feel free to add examples from the other 6th ed codices for units that just ba-bow fail)
It's a perception which I think comes from the new stuff always sounding crazy before it gets points costs and other drawbacks attached to it, or the rules aren't understood properly.
The new stuff in every codex always seems ridiculous, but then we settle into the groove and often it's the old models which end up turning up the most in armies with the exception of flyers because of their built in advantages (and even the Dark Angels proved they aren't a sure fire ace up the sleeve).
We always seem to fear the new things and even when they don't turn out to be the horror we think, somewhere in the back of our minds that thought sits there, growing with each new codex, until we feel like it's all a sinister plot.
Puscifer wrote: I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.
Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.
I think that's more just a problem with how their old codices were written, there's some cool new fluff for the Tau since then, like their interactions with the Dark Eldar and Necrons.
They tend to be painted as naive victims in the books of other races, but still, they are well and truly galactic members at this point, having had contact with basically everyone out there (except for maybe Grey Knights/ The Inquisition)
And realistically I don't think you can expect too much expansion, the Third Sphere was done during the 13th Black Crusade, when everyone was pretty busy, they can't keep doing that every time they want to expand.
Why not to much expansion? The Astronomican psychic beacon navigators use does not cover the far Eastern Fringe. Surly that means Tau have a large area of space to expand into that is outside the Astronomican psychic beacon so the Imperium of Man cannot easily invade. Some lore says the Astronomican psychic beacon is shrinking every year and the psychic beacon pulls further and further back Tau have more and more planets to annex with little risk of counter attack from the Imperium of Man.
Yeah, the Tau are not very anime. Don't know why this keeps getting mindlessly parroted. Other than maybe that Tau are different from the predominantly European-culture-inspired Imperium and so players just kind of reflexively try to shoe-horn them into whatever they can think of that is different from that.
The Infinite wrote: I can just imagine huge Tau colony ships, each representing a new sphere of expansion, using uncharted warp skips to leap to distant regions of the Galaxy and set up new colonies. The Tyranid threat having driven the Tau to look further afield to buy time to develop weaponry to combat the bugs. Each ship being a self-contained military, social and economic entity with an attached fleet.
I put even odds on the Jericho reach from FFG showing up.
Puscifer wrote: I'd like to see several spheres of expansion.
Currently, the Tau are stuck in one part of the Galaxy which technically doesn't make for great lore to be written. Have them expand further into the Galaxy and see what new fluff they come up with instead of Tau vs Tyranids, Orks, IoM, which seems to be all they are facing.
I think that's more just a problem with how their old codices were written, there's some cool new fluff for the Tau since then, like their interactions with the Dark Eldar and Necrons.
They tend to be painted as naive victims in the books of other races, but still, they are well and truly galactic members at this point, having had contact with basically everyone out there (except for maybe Grey Knights/ The Inquisition)
And realistically I don't think you can expect too much expansion, the Third Sphere was done during the 13th Black Crusade, when everyone was pretty busy, they can't keep doing that every time they want to expand.
Why not to much expansion? The Astronomican psychic beacon navigators use does not cover the far Eastern Fringe. Surly that means Tau have a large area of space to expand into that is outside the Astronomican psychic beacon so the Imperium of Man cannot easily invade. Some lore says the Astronomican psychic beacon is shrinking every year and the psychic beacon pulls further and further back Tau have more and more planets to annex with little risk of counter attack from the Imperium of Man.
This is my understanding as well. The 40k galaxy is a lot larger than people seem to realize. There's a LOT of narratively convenient space that can change hands without really changing much.
In the medieval Europe that is the Galaxy of WH40k, the Tau have always struck me as the stand in for the rise of the Muslim Caliphate. Historically, they appeared on the south eastern fringe of the remenants of the old Roman Empire, started as a small regional power and then suddenly took all of Northern Africa and struck so far in Western Europe as to effectively rule Spain. They were only stopped by Charlemagne ant the battle of Tours. A feat which helped establish him not only as the King of France but also the first Holy Roman Emperor.
A similar sudden expansion in 40k would be very interesting and change the game map considerably. If they follow the same 'map' as the real world model, we'd see the Tau strike along the southern edge of the Galaxy then turn north through the Macharian Crusade's area and find themselves blunted just before reaching Terra. We'd also see an emperor like figure arise out of that.
Of course that would be too radical a change for GW and the Fans to bear. So if there is expansion of the Tau, it will likely be kept to the Eastern Fringe, with the Ultramarines standing in for Charlemange and the Francs.
I like the angle if the Tau have been evolving and growing in a decade faster than the other races have in 10k years, they are now a force to be reckoned with.
It does seem everyone else is very stagnant, and the Tau going from 'let's all hug it out' to 'ok, this is how it is gonna be' sounds great.
I am looking forward to seeing what kind of allies I can get for my orks.
The Pathfider and Fire Warrior (HQ?) models look very nice. Although I must admit I don't really like the new broadside. From the pictures it looks far to fat and rounded for me at least.
The quad gun on the flyer is tempting, although I wonder if it is a fighter if it is appropriately placed on the hull. If it is meant for straffing runs, then fine, I guess.
The Tau tank commander seems to be wearing XV-22 armour? That seems... like a waste of resources.
Capes. Everyone with capes. I was hoping to keep Tau as allies, but capes? I assume (maybe incorrectly) that this would be the fireblade cadre? Or one of them?
That commander looks pretty cool, the flyer looks just as ridiculous with the tail weapon mounted on the bottom as on the top. Who thought that.. gun or the missile pods were a good idea there?
it, there is so much that I want to pre-order. But with out seeing the rules I don't know exactly how much to get of what. The big thing that I want to know about is the Cadre Fireblade, to me that just seems like the Necro Royal Court. Which I like that idea, I just don't know how many to get right off the bat. Oh well.....
good to see better pics of stuff and the two new commander guys.
and the pics from that link:
Haha. Wow. This guy looks kind of bad. It's like a Tau pretending to be a Space Marine!
Is that a rail rifle or a pulse rifle?
I think I've realized what my biggest beef with the Tau has always been.
That hideous, hideous ochre color scheme.
I like this one. Tank commander, visually looks distinct from the normal "tank commander" included with the Devilfish.
I really like this guy. Darkstrider is fantastic.
Oh my. Tailguns.
Interesting placement.
I really do like the new Broadsides. They keep a bit of the visual aesthetic that the Forge World XV-89 suits had, where there was no "hand" but rather the guns attached directly to the arm.
Shame they did not update the standard Crisis Suits accordingly.
Cadre Fireblade (Upgrade for Fire Warrior units, Plastic)
Commander Long Knife (tank commander, Finecast) Edit: Name is Longstrike.
Dark Strider (Pathfinder character,, Finecast)
Also, there will be a limited edition Codex Tau.
And Hammerhead/Skyray get an official combined box, 6€ more expensive of course: 45 €
The new Battleforce will be released 4th May.
The with the side angle pics, the new flyer looks much better than I imagine. The side rails connecting the rear wings to the front wings still looks goofy. I'll snap it off and make it look like a true flyer.
The special character with the cape has weird looking chest armor. The other two however are well sculpted.
The tank commander's armor reminds me of Garrus from Mass Effect! I'll probably purchase and convert as such.
The side view pic of the Broadside looks like the feet have a rear claw that may give some extra support to the weak-as-crap ankle joints (let's hope anyway).
I don't know much about tau... Just that ion cannon = short stubby thing no one uses and rail gun/cannon = big gun of death. You could have told me it was a banana launcher and I would have believed you.
Puscifer wrote: Also the age old question has been answered...
Tau go barefoot in battle.
Like blue Hobbits!
I think I just pee'd a little.
I must admit that I was wrong about the flyer as I was about some of the Daemon stuff. The pics in WD are horrendous. These pics make the flyers look amazing,
I like the Fireblade a lot and I might just get one to paint up regardless of how good they are.
Not too impressed with the Pathfinder character though.
The Broadside is exactly how I thought it would look - awesome.
The Tank Commander is (as was said early) Garrus Vakarian. He will also be painted as such.
Roll on the 6th for the release, but roll on the 30th for WD. I've not wanted an issue of WD as badly as the next issue.
Compel wrote: I don't know much about tau... Just that ion cannon = short stubby thing no one uses and rail gun/cannon = big gun of death. You could have told me it was a banana launcher and I would have believed you.
Yeah, looks like a banana launcher me too.
The broadside still doesn't inspire me. The infantry look silly but I am turning around on the flyer; the bomber at least looks fairly nice with that tail mounted bottom turret, though the fighter is sill way too goofy for me. Neither look like they'll be all that good at AA, and I think people are missing the point that s8 broadsides are going to be awful unless they cost as much as a TH/SS terminator, even with skyfire.
That quad gun on the bomber/gunship thing look more like rail rifles. Might keep with the rumor that the flyers were going to be closer to the DA flyers in terms of str.6-7 firepower being the norm.
That quad gun on the bomber/gunship thing look more like rail rifles. Might keep with the rumor that the flyers were going to be closer to the DA flyers in terms of str.6-7 firepower being the norm.
I sure as heck hope that gun provides more firepower than several railrifles. Its kind of a slap in the face to the new codices to have to face against things like Vendettas/Scythes/Heldrakes/Stormravens/Voidravens, etc. without having flyers of their own, only when it is finally their turn to get their flyer, GW turns around and says: "oops, we made those old flyers to powerful, so rather than toning down said flyers that are the problem, we are just going to make your flyers suck." I really hope the DA flyer is the exception. There is a middle ground to between the DA flyer and a Vendetta. The Dark Eldar ones for instance have potent weapons, but are balanced because they have lower armor and a higher point cost, this is the power level I feel Tau flyers belong. Keeping my fingers crossed we don't get stuck with another Nephilim.
So, I have difficulty going around and viewing things like youtube at work because of filters. Can anyone explain to me why the thread title just changed from April 6th to March 30th?
I think the gun array on the one tail is an Ion weapon too. I looked at the barrels, upside down "U" shape. Could be an entirely new weapon though. Turret placement and angles have me thinking like C-130 Gunship role I'm dying to know what the drone/gun racks are holding. We can see a kind of pair fins or antenna coming out their backs and one which reminds us of the sniper drones. And it looks like there are joints on the wing-to-wing spars, you may not have to even cut them off, just don't put them on? It will look pretty bland though imo. The whole craft has this WWII P-32 Lightning thing that I like. I'm also seeing what look like two 'hatches' on the wings between the cockpit and the black air vents. Possible future weapon slot?
YotsubaSnake wrote: So, I have difficulty going around and viewing things like youtube at work because of filters. Can anyone explain to me why the thread title just changed from April 6th to March 30th?
Because the OP thinks the preorder date in the video is the release date
I have to agree with KnuckleWolf, the under slung cannons give the flyer a real AC-130 gunship feel, I'm starting to warm to it as a ground attack platform. Still looks ridiculous for an air-to-air role though. I know they like to have multi-purpose kits, but I don't see why they couldn't have had a super sleek fighter, which also has a ground attack option (a la Tigershark).
Also, I guess that new Firewarrior character is trying to fit in with his new SM battle brothers...
The flyer looks much better now that we have some decent pics of it which means that there is nothing in this release that I don't like! I think it would look even better if the cockpit part was removed to make it look like a drone rather than a manned aircraft. The broadside is also excellent looking, really wished they would carry that aesthetic onto the other suits, especially the more chunky legs.
KnuckleWolf wrote: Also the video is a total ripoff of Armored Core 4's intro cinematic to the main screen. Almost down to the sound effect of the eye coming on.
It's apparently genre standard for piloted robot related stuff. The Heavy Gear teaser video has the a similar effect. I suspect it's the robot version of the short haircut/bald steroid screamin' scifi soldier.
I'm warming to the new broadsides, but my optimal look is about halfway between that and the old suits. I may mix and match if the parts are compatible.
redkeyboard wrote: Well the trailer sucked but its a GW trailer so it was expected. but still. I am very excited for the codex.
Better then the last trailers..this actually shows a little bit of the model ..not only goofy sounds and flames
Yeah, this one looks like it had a modicum of effort put into it.
New broadside is acceptable, I guess. I want to see the rest of the model still but personally I do like the more bulked-up suit, although in a lot of ways it almost has too much going on. The FW suits look a little too clean and simple and this one is almost the opposite.
Flyer still looks bad. And I imagine there will be some people telling me "No, you still can't judge it until you see it from EVERY POSSIBLE ANGLE." I've seen enough of it by now to know it's fething awful.
The characters are okay, I especially like the tank commander but I hate that he's Finecast.
KnuckleWolf wrote: Also the video is a total ripoff of Armored Core 4's intro cinematic to the main screen. Almost down to the sound effect of the eye coming on.
Figures, lol...GW does something kinda right and it's stolen. Or maybe when GW copies other people it's a "homage", it's only stolen if you copy them.
The problem with the new broadsides is that it doesn't have a nice outline from a distance. It's all hunched over and looks like a ball from a distance.
The older broadsides, both FW and GW, had a more open posture that played well in the light and looked great across a table. I don't see that here, but obviously we need to see it from more angles to know for sure.
I think he just missed his "w" to the word "now" and his sentence makes sense.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If the fireblade is 1-3 as some have speculated... does GW expect us to just buy three kits and field *gasp* the same mini three times? I'd have prefered multi-pose plastic to multi-part plastic, GW...
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If the fireblade is 1-3 as some have speculated... does GW expect us to just buy three kits and field *gasp* the same mini three times? I'd have prefered multi-pose plastic to multi-part plastic, GW...
Or convert them from firewarriors. Or it may be a multi-pose plastic character kit. Who knows.
If the fireblade is 1-3 as some have speculated... does GW expect us to just buy three kits and field *gasp* the same mini three times? I'd have prefered multi-pose plastic to multi-part plastic, GW...
Speaking as someone who is fielding multiples of the plastic Cairn Wraiths...
You can easily do some minor converting to differentiate these mono-pose plastics. Looking at the Fireblade, I'm thinking swapping out the knife arm with a stock Fire Warrior grenade arm on one would be a good way to go. The Cairn Wraiths were a bit easier as a simple trim on the scythe arms and altering the pose/face is enough to make things look different but I think the Fire Blade could see some too.
buddha wrote: Well the teaser trailer might have ripped off armored core it has inspired me to get a riptide and paint it up as Hustler One
I 'love' how news and rumors threads turn into a race for everyone to come up with some new thing that GW ripped off or some catchy thing you can say the new models look like.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If the fireblade is 1-3 as some have speculated... does GW expect us to just buy three kits and field *gasp* the same mini three times? I'd have prefered multi-pose plastic to multi-part plastic, GW...
Or convert them from firewarriors. Or it may be a multi-pose plastic character kit. Who knows.
Well, given Necrons got 1 Cryptek and it was in fail-cast, a multi-part plastic kit sounds like Xmas.
If the fireblade is 1-3 as some have speculated... does GW expect us to just buy three kits and field *gasp* the same mini three times? I'd have prefered multi-pose plastic to multi-part plastic, GW...
It well could be a plastic kit like the Aspiring Champion for Chaos.
If the fireblade is 1-3 as some have speculated... does GW expect us to just buy three kits and field *gasp* the same mini three times? I'd have prefered multi-pose plastic to multi-part plastic, GW...
Speaking as someone who is fielding multiples of the plastic Cairn Wraiths...
You can easily do some minor converting to differentiate these mono-pose plastics. Looking at the Fireblade, I'm thinking swapping out the knife arm with a stock Fire Warrior grenade arm on one would be a good way to go. The Cairn Wraiths were a bit easier as a simple trim on the scythe arms and altering the pose/face is enough to make things look different but I think the Fire Blade could see some too.
A head reposition and grenade swap would look quite cool, as would various simple "right arm pointing" conversions.
Puscifer wrote: I still can't get over the whole "Our Conquest Is Inevitable" bit.
That is much darker than the earlier Tau stuff from previous editions where it was all about peace and integration into the Greater Good.
This is more like The Reapers from Mass Effect or The Borg from ST:TNG and their mantras.
I like this very much.
Could the Tau have finally joined the Grim Dark?
This isn't really that new, though. I wonder how many people actually read Tau fluff because I personally always interpreted it this way. Maybe I'm wrong because it's been so long since I read my Tau codices but I remember there always being a "this is our destiny, join us or die" kinda thing going on. They weren't immediately hostile to races they encountered and would try to get you to join their Empire, but it was always with a "resistance is futile" take on it.
It would explain why so many people still think Tau don't "belong" in 40k.
Puscifer wrote: I still can't get over the whole "Our Conquest Is Inevitable" bit.
That is much darker than the earlier Tau stuff from previous editions where it was all about peace and integration into the Greater Good.
This is more like The Reapers from Mass Effect or The Borg from ST:TNG and their mantras.
I like this very much.
Could the Tau have finally joined the Grim Dark?
This isn't really that new, though. I wonder how many people actually read Tau fluff because I personally always interpreted it this way. Maybe I'm wrong because it's been so long since I read my Tau codices but I remember there always being a "this is our destiny, join us or die" kinda thing going on. They weren't immediately hostile to races they encountered and would try to get you to join their Empire, but it was always with a "resistance is futile" take on it.
It would explain why so many people still think Tau don't "belong" in 40k.
Maybe they've had enough of a Peaceful approach and will just annihilate anyone who doesn't comply first time to the Greater Good.
Double post and then no double post - This has been happening too often MODs - is there a reason why?
paulson games wrote: There are some elements to the broadside that I like but overall it looks like it's way overloaded and is struggling to keep upright.
Reminds me of the little brother in Christmas Story that's bundled up so thickly that he can't move.
That sounds about right, and fits with most military developments
It's typical for manufacturers/designers to be asked to develop a new vehical,
then the requirements are changed and modified, so they keep adding armour, weapons etc until it's too overloaded to increase it's 'usefulness'.
The faster it's out the door, the less chance there is for this to happen
(my guess as to why it's in the field with a dangerous reactor, if they'd deleyed long enough to make it safe it would have ended up with so many new guns & extra armour it would be effectivly immobile)
If the fireblade is 1-3 as some have speculated... does GW expect us to just buy three kits and field *gasp* the same mini three times? I'd have prefered multi-pose plastic to multi-part plastic, GW...
Speaking as someone who is fielding multiples of the plastic Cairn Wraiths...
You can easily do some minor converting to differentiate these mono-pose plastics. Looking at the Fireblade, I'm thinking swapping out the knife arm with a stock Fire Warrior grenade arm on one would be a good way to go. The Cairn Wraiths were a bit easier as a simple trim on the scythe arms and altering the pose/face is enough to make things look different but I think the Fire Blade could see some too.
A head reposition and grenade swap would look quite cool, as would various simple "right arm pointing" conversions.
Something else would be a spare helmeted head used in lieu of the bare head.
Ooh, or the binoculars from the stock Devilfish/Hammerhead/Skyray tank commander kit! Or the scanner hand from a Fire Warrior box!
If the fireblade is 1-3 as some have speculated... does GW expect us to just buy three kits and field *gasp* the same mini three times? I'd have prefered multi-pose plastic to multi-part plastic, GW...
Speaking as someone who is fielding multiples of the plastic Cairn Wraiths...
You can easily do some minor converting to differentiate these mono-pose plastics. Looking at the Fireblade, I'm thinking swapping out the knife arm with a stock Fire Warrior grenade arm on one would be a good way to go. The Cairn Wraiths were a bit easier as a simple trim on the scythe arms and altering the pose/face is enough to make things look different but I think the Fire Blade could see some too.
A head reposition and grenade swap would look quite cool, as would various simple "right arm pointing" conversions.
Something else would be a spare helmeted head used in lieu of the bare head.
Ooh, or the binoculars from the stock Devilfish/Hammerhead/Skyray tank commander kit! Or the scanner hand from a Fire Warrior box!
At least of the options you guys have given do not require the purchase of multiple kits that one wouldn't need. No bitz sales soon, after all... At least with what you guys just came up with, you're done with a single Fire Warriors box.
Building off of our earlier conversation about how the Tau aren't actually anime but get billed as such because they're different, I went into that trailer expecting some cringe-worthy bamboo flute/gong music while some second-rate actor voice-overs with an "Asian" accent. Pleasantly surprised that a modicum of taste was displayed instead.
New pics of the disappointing kits do nothing to increase my interest. Still unimpressed with the Broadside, still unimpressed with the flyers. That Pathfinder character was pretty cool though.
Something about the Cadre fireblade looks off, either his torso is to large or he has little dwarf legs...hmm will likely have to just convert some firewarriors for that one..unless it turns out a bit better in other pics, the porportions just seem a bit off.
Tank commander is cool, I may have to get a couple of those.
The quad Ion gun thingy on the flyer looks kinda promising, wonder how many shots that thing will put out .
Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: Something about the Cadre fireblade looks off, either his torso is to large or he has little dwarf legs...hmm will likely have to just convert some firewarriors for that one..unless it turns out a bit better in other pics, the porportions just seem a bit off.
I actually was kind of confused by his proportions as well.
What it looks like, to me at least, is that he has a bit of heavier armor on top of the standard Fire Caste armor. If you look at his legs, you can see there is a bit heavier armor plating there. If you look at his chest armor in the larger shots you can see that the armor almost looks like what a Stealth Suit or Shadowsun are wearing.
I don't think that he's so much a "character" but rather an 'officer" upgrade or something to that effect for the Fire Warrior squads.
So they're just veteran sergeants? Tau did had those before, I thought these guys were something different...
I imagine they'll be a bit more like Commissars or the like, where you can buy multiples of them and then allocate them to units in addition to the Shas'ui sergeants.
The more I look at this, the less I am convinced that it is a good model. I understand what they were going for regarding the aesthetics but I don't think they pulled it off. The front end still looks like the FW Ork Bomba before it was orkified and that ruins the overall look. Also, Tau seem to have been swept wing or delta wing design where this is obvious modern earth tech design.
I'd love to see what FW can do to "fix" this like they did the chibihawk but then I remember that the Storm Eagle is one of the most aggravating kits to assemble in a long time.
Lovepug13 wrote: I actually like it......and I have hated pretty much everything that GW have done lately lol
I can understand where you're coming from but for me not being as bad as Chaos isn't enough. I was hoping to be inspired to finish my Tau but I think I'll be selling them on eBay instead. Thankfully I got rid of my Crisis Suits & Broadsides a while back so it's only infantry and a couple of Hammerheads I have to deal with. I suppose I should look at 1000 points of allies in case I need to give one of my other armies a boost.
I'm okay with the Cadre Fireblade except that I remember reading that the Tau aren't big on unnecessary decoration of their military leaders. In the book Firewarrior, Kais remarks on how utterly ridiculous high ranking humans look with all their gaudy, useless decorations.
The Fireblade looks like he's wearing a bit too much nonsense. Like he's a SM wannabe.
I might get one, but mostly I will be converting my own Fireblades, since I do plan to use them. I even have a plan for fitting markerlights onto their pulse rifles if need be.
I find it odd the number of people speculating "Oooh! 'Our Conquest is Inevitable', does this mean the Tau are becoming darker???"
This is always the way that I pictured Tau. I never saw them as naive.
They've been pounded by the Imperium, including SMs and fought to a standstill.
They've been pounded by Tyranids, and managed to do what the Ultramarines could not.
They have Chaos attacking them from the Perdus Rift Anomaly, which is like their very own Eye of Terror.
They learned the hard way to shoot first when dealing with Necrons and DE.
Their military caste is naturally aggressive and they begin training at an early age.
I'm going to quote my own P&M blog: (Which needs to be reorganized a bit.)
This is the Caste of "diplomacy has failed and you are of no further use to us."
The Caste of the "Give-Us-All-Your-Weapons-Or-We'll-Blow-Your-Freakin'-Heads-Off" peace treaty.
This is why I'm trying to make my Tau look more aggressive and a little badass.
Fireblade looks horrible. One of the main reasons I play Tau is to avoid the insane kibble overload most other armies inflict on their characters. Also get the feeling he'll be single-pose like the Herald of Nurgle when doing a multipose with simpler armor would have been much more in keeping with the army.
Pathfinder guy looks nice but is finecast.
Quad-gun looks kind of goofy, like the Tau should be better than that.
I don't see why they're bothering with a finecast release of the tank commander when everyone will just proxy with the one on the Devilfish sprue anyways.
Broadside looks nice, but I'm not buying one until I see some rules.
I guess I have to order a skyray before they jump up in price.
I actually have been thinking more and more about why the Fireblade looks like he does.
I've come to the conclusion that there's two options:
1) He's part of an Ethereal's bodyguard and gets detached to the rest of the army. The decorative bits are a visual tie to the Ethereal Caste.
2) The Fireblades are jealous of how pimp the Imperial and Traitor command echelon look with their fancy stuff.
The Tau was my fifth largest army. 4000 points. I could care less about the new models. I'm just hoping for a decent codex that merges neatly with the rule system.
Kanluwen wrote: I actually have been thinking more and more about why the Fireblade looks like he does.
I've come to the conclusion that there's two options:
1) He's part of an Ethereal's bodyguard and gets detached to the rest of the army. The decorative bits are a visual tie to the Ethereal Caste.
2) The Fireblades are jealous of how pimp the Imperial and Traitor command echelon look with their fancy stuff.
I bet its number 2
also the flyer without the struts look much better imo i will probably be modeling it that way.
Larger pic of Dark Strider (all by zhongzzw over at ATT):
Larger pic of Pathfinders:
I hope this suit is just the reboxes one, not the new Commander:
I also hope they don't draigo the tau background, as these are the original designer notes:
In contrast to other races, we wanted the Tau to be altruistic and idealistic, believing heartily in unification as the way forward. This meant that they would happily incorporate other races into their empire without subjugating them, instead enticing them in with the benefits of mutual protection, trade and technology.
Concerning the anatomy of Fireblade, Tau usually are more stocky with shorter legs than average humans, but fitting the stocky look of samurai, esp. copying the blocky shoulder and hip armour.
I am more concerned that every sculptor has different ideas of how Tau feet look. And that all tau faces show extreme emotions (unfluffy).
Alternative Fireblades are easily done with the Kroot sprue for veteran gubbins.
Standard procedure to improve the flyer:
Remove the rods between the wings, add a rudder (or change the back to an upward V-tail), remove the tail guns/missiles and put them under the main wings left and right, possibly remove all the junk below the tail (can't see it well, but it probably destroys the sleek and rational tau design).
Just for the record: I just read "For the Greater Good". If you are searching for a book on Tau, look elsewhere: It's only about Cain fighting Tyranids, with no Tau involvement except a few pages at the beginning. Quite a disappointment.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: I was wondering if there was any sort of plastic samurais that could be meshed with Tau bitz out there? That drawing really drives that vibe, imho.
That "drawing" is a piece of fan art, not anything from GW proper.
There's nothing in the Tau's background (at least that is leaping out to me in memory and a cursory scan of everything from Xenology and IA3 to Codex: Tau and Codex: Tau Empire) that suggests they are "stocky" or have "shorter legs than the average human".
Considering though that the Tau regularly outfit their Gue'la human auxiliaries with armor and webbing gear made for the Fire Caste, I think that their physiology is fairly close to ours. There are notable differences, but the basic builds are similar when it comes to the Fire Caste and humanity.
I would of justified the struts if the engines where bigger like it actually needed the structural rigidity. then again we haven't seen an underside pic yet so we will have to wait.
I always imagined the fireblades to be decorated like the sergeant from hunter prey with a short claok kind of thing hanging straight down the back over one sholder, not quite as much as this guy.
It seems that I liked it with the struts better too. Well, that's how I'm running mine then. I will be interested in how the new commander? fits in with the rest of the book. I guess Commanders don't need suits anymore?
Breotan wrote: The more I look at this, the less I am convinced that it is a good model. I understand what they were going for regarding the aesthetics but I don't think they pulled it off. The front end still looks like the FW Ork Bomba before it was orkified and that ruins the overall look. Also, Tau seem to have been swept wing or delta wing design where this is obvious modern earth tech design.
I'd love to see what FW can do to "fix" this like they did the chibihawk but then I remember that the Storm Eagle is one of the most aggravating kits to assemble in a long time.
Personnaly if i did play a Tau army, i would try to convert it to look like the Aliens Dropship.
Atheos wrote: I wonder if the rails on the flyers are there to hold Crisis suits to drop them into battle.
That would be pretty awesome. Makes me want to add a few tau slaves to my dark eldar. Well, I wanted to before, but it makes it sound like an even better idea! If it were true, that is.
"Alright, which one of you took the rest of my leggings!"
Hold still Imperial scum! The Greater Good demands that I throw my ceremonial blade at you!
Nah... Not really impressed with the pix of this release yet. The Broadside looks good, but that flyer is horrid, no redone Crisis suits (and after the great stuff FW's been doing. Really?), and really bad looking characters.
Another seeming swing and a miss. GW just keeps making it easier and easier to keep my wallet shut...
People keep complaining about the Crisis suits not redone to look more like the FW suits. Yes, I'd have liked that too, but from business perspective it makes sense to not do it. It would kill the sales of FW suits. It is the same reason why they got new flyers instead of plastic Barracuda.
1. What's up with the retcon of the fire warrior feet between the pathfinder character and the fireblade. Those hoof-toes look nothing like the current FW, a little silly that.
2. Random idea about those provocative struts on the flyer (especially after the Aliens dropship pic), perhaps they are landing struts, unless of course the underside has some sort of landing gear similar to the hammerheads/d-fish. Still an odd design, but perhaps that is the reason for their presence.
So the broadside has skyfire and a double barrelled rifle. Why do I see someone painting it wearing Harris tweed, a kroot hound at its' feet and a Holland & Holland mark on the Railguns?
They've been pounded by Tyranids, and managed to do what the Ultramarines could not.
I'll just not comment on the other stuff, but what? Did you miss the part where Hive Fleet Leviathan isn't around as a Hive Fleet anymore?
Leviathan is on the other side of the galaxy.
Hive fleet Gorgon started as the remnants of Behemoth. The Ultramarines and Imperial Navy were too busy desperately trying not to get wiped out to bother eliminating the entire hive fleet.
So the remnants, with all they had learned from fighting humans, went off to consume world after world until it was back to the size of a Hive Fleet, (renamed Gorgon) which is when it entered Tau space... And was annihilated.
On Topic:
Something about the Fireblade's face looks off... He looks old, but not in a tough, Clint Eastwood way. More like a grumpy, Walter Matthau way... Looks like he's saying "You damn kids left your knife in my rose bushes again!"
Crimson wrote: People keep complaining about the Crisis suits not redone to look more like the FW suits. Yes, I'd have liked that too, but from business perspective it makes sense to not do it. It would kill the sales of FW suits. It is the same reason why they got new flyers instead of plastic Barracuda.
Or, it'd encourage every Tau player -old and new- to "upgrade" their 'Suit force with nice shiny, new, plastics. Especially since the "new" ones would look so much better...
AndrewC wrote: So the broadside has skyfire and a double barrelled rifle. Why do I see someone painting it wearing Harris tweed, a kroot hound at its' feet and a Holland & Holland mark on the Railguns?
Cheers
Andrew
I could totally see it, with a box of drones at its feet, yelling, "Pull!"
I think the thing that most annoys me about the Fireblade is that all those symbols are Tau sept molded right into the plastic. I'd much rather have the option to decal them with Sa'cea.
Iirc the fluff states that the T'au sept symbol is also the universal Sept symbol for the empire and is equally interchangeable with the actual sept symbol.
In regards to the unusual nature of the tail of the new flier, it seems to be inspired by the rear end of the RQ7 series of drones.
The inverted V of the elerudders, the tail booms extending out, it bears quite a bit of resemblance to drone aircraft. It could also be inspired by the MQ9 series.
As a side note, 2187 was my favorite AV, and she'll be missed.
If you think I am going to pay lots of money for a set of models that the codex rule set is mediocre, I will give my 300 dollars to a better cause. To the developmentally disabled clients that I deal with. That is where my 300 dollars went to this month. To lease gardening plots for a year for them to learn on how to work with their hands.
Ya want to buy models blindly and play a game? Go right ahead.
If you think I am going to pay lots of money for a set of models that the codex rule set is mediocre, I will give my 300 dollars to a better cause. To the developmentally disabled clients that I deal with. That is where my 300 dollars went to this month. To lease gardening plots for a year for them to learn on how to work with their hands.
Ya want to buy models blindly and play a game? Go right ahead.
They were responding to your misuse of that saying.
The actual saying is 'Couldn't care less', because it implies you don't care at all - you can't possibly care less.
'Could care less' implies you do care, because you can care less.
I really like the models, not so hot on the color scheme though. So much yellow. I would have thougth they would have gone with a contrasting color on some of the smaller bits to make the model pop a bit more. That gold just kinda blends in and makes it a big yellow blob, speaking mainly on the pick of the broadside.
So far I'm liking all the models. Looking really solid. Even the flyers, though hung up on struts or no struts. Though I have a thought on the actual use of the struts. Based on my knowledge
of Tau tactics, smaller units such as XV8s or Hammerheads don't stray far from their Manta or Orca dropships. Hence HH not being high speed skimmers such as Eldars, I wouldn't
expect this to change with in atmosphere flyers. Barracudas are space faring craft and can operate more independently. For the Sunshark, it would would need to be launched from a
dropship like the HH does.
The rails to me seem like they are for docking. Similar to how TIE fighters dock. By hanging on the rails.
Fafnir wrote: Kind of like how GW never made a plastic Trygon, because it would have killed FW Trygon sales.
Exactly.
The reason why there are no 'new' Crisis suits is because making plastic models is expensive. A re-cut sprue with all the weapons and commander/drone parts will do for the next couple of editions.
Fafnir wrote: Another 12 or so years of fridges on stilts! Lovely.
You think you've got it bad? The poor Space Marines and their poor Dreadnoughts don't even have stilts! When I was your age, we just had washing machines with claws mounted on the sides and we were thankful!
It is somewhat disappointing that there is no new crisis suit. If they hadn't done anything with them, it would point to a possible 2nd wave of recut older models, but since they've repackaged them, advertising it as a "new" product, it is likely they'll remain unchanged until the molds wear out.
Seeing as we're still using the late 90s tactical marine kit (oh dear god the mold lines), who knows how long the fridges'll stick around.
Is it me or do the Cadre Fireblade & Broaside models look like they were influenced by AT-43 Karmans. I guess GW wasn't happy with the current level of confusion about the Tau being goat-fish. Now they seem to be going for goat-fish in ape armour.
Behold, The Fire Caste commander pictured in the new ape armour
& The Broadside in the mighty gorilla armour
I guess the design studio must have confused Guerrilla Warfare with Gorilla Warfare.
Yes, I know the Broadside is kneeling which gives it an apish feel, but the small head on the tiny body and the supermassive arms also contribute to the look.
The Fireblade model is striding low which amplifies the chimp effect but, imo, even standing the armour would create a long torso short leg appearance.
With all this talk of why GW can't remake the XV-8s, keep in mind this is the same GW that produced a metal (or was it Finecast?) Bloodcrusher of Khorne model what, a year before producing a plastic kit?
What GW assigns its resources to is a calculated risk based on what the penny-pinchers in corporate think will sell. They have clearly decided that we players will continue to buy GW products if they give us a bunch of silly new shineys rather than fixing a plastic kit that was frankly on the edge of acceptable design way back when they first made it, and has only gone down-hill since. The only way to change their mind is to not buy the new shineys.
And what if they did re-do the XV-8, the fire warriors, devilfish/hammerhead, gundrones, and since that would likely take a large chunk out of the alloted resources that have been allocated for the Tau project, we may get 1 or 2 new models or units.
If the new codex does not remake the wheel with the XV-8 and such, just have new rules/statlines, with maybe a few options (that may or may not even need to be modeled), I am perfectly happy to continue to use the old models..as frankly I have learned to make them much more in keeping with my vision of the Tau.
Bring on the new stuff, and maybe down the line release a new XV-8A model or somesuch, right out of the gate they need to lead strong, and not just rehash old models with new designs across the board.
But regardless people will always grouse about what is not being done, if it was a bunch of remakes people would be complaining that there is nothing new in this codex.
Besides...the XV-8 is a beauty queen compared to the Leman russ, the IG have been saddled with that forever
JOHIRA wrote: With all this talk of why GW can't remake the XV-8s, keep in mind this is the same GW that produced a metal (or was it Finecast?) Bloodcrusher of Khorne model what, a year before producing a plastic kit?
What GW assigns its resources to is a calculated risk based on what the penny-pinchers in corporate think will sell. They have clearly decided that we players will continue to buy GW products if they give us a bunch of silly new shineys rather than fixing a plastic kit that was frankly on the edge of acceptable design way back when they first made it, and has only gone down-hill since. The only way to change their mind is to not buy the new shineys.
Which is what I'll be not doing.
This is actually one of the smarter things GW does.
While they feel they might have a good idea, internally, what people will buy, they've obviously completely missed the mark a few times. So anything that is at a risk of not selling what is expected, they don't move it to plastic until they see resin/metal sales to justify it.
In regards to the XV-8, bear in mind that the same slot has the Riptide in it, a brand new large kit which probably took two whole molds. That's risk enough. By not redesigning them, they've given themselves one less plastic mold to recoup costs on. Let the risk on the Riptide ride out. Not to mention new XV-8's wouldn't have as wide of an appeal as something like the Riptide.
After all, existing Tau players would have plenty of XV-8's, and there's plenty more going around second hand. To be fair, I realize existing Tau players would have plenty of XV-88's as well, but the XV-88 underwent more than a simple resculpt. It had an entire role redesign, with a model giving a larger footprint, and is not competing with another new kit in the same slot, as far as we know.
Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: And what if they did re-do the XV-8, the fire warriors, devilfish/hammerhead, gundrones, and since that would likely take a large chunk out of the alloted resources that have been allocated for the Tau project, we may get 1 or 2 new models or units.
If the new codex does not remake the wheel with the XV-8 and such, just have new rules/statlines, with maybe a few options (that may or may not even need to be modeled), I am perfectly happy to continue to use the old models..as frankly I have learned to make them much more in keeping with my vision of the Tau.
Bring on the new stuff, and maybe down the line release a new XV-8A model or somesuch, right out of the gate they need to lead strong, and not just rehash old models with new designs across the board.
But regardless people will always grouse about what is not being done, if it was a bunch of remakes people would be complaining that there is nothing new in this codex.
Besides...the XV-8 is a beauty queen compared to the Leman russ, the IG have been saddled with that forever
I'm not saying they have to redo every model, but they could have redesigned the XV8 chasis, and then turned it into a dual kit with the Broadside. Two models made all shiny and new (as opposed to the one that they currently have), and they only need to change a single mold (just as they are already going to have to do for the broadsides now anyway).
Considering that the XV8 is essentially the poster-boy of the Tau forces, that doesn't sound so bad.
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy..........stupidly excited for the new dex!!! Seriously just happy for the update! Even if it might suck lol
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh! perhaps his cape gives him special powers?! lol
Automatically Appended Next Post: Im also curious....how much truth is there to the fact that the new battleforce and w/e else wont be released until may even though the dex is coming out sooner?
I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Fafnir wrote:I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Whatever, man. I'm just happy that my friend's gonna be able to use his Tau against my Necrons again. Even using 'soft' Necron lists, his army still seemed borderline unplayable.
As far as I'm concerned, the Tau could be given terrible sculpts across the board; it's their rules that needed an update. This is one situation where I feel GW can [almost] do no wrong.
Fafnir wrote: I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Fafnir wrote: I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Yes because that gun in his arms looks so much bigger than an average boltgun
Fafnir wrote: I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Yes because that gun in his arms looks so much bigger than an average boltgun
Fafnir wrote: I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Yes because that gun in his arms looks so much bigger than an average boltgun
I find it odd the number of people speculating "Oooh! 'Our Conquest is Inevitable', does this mean the Tau are becoming darker???"
This is always the way that I pictured Tau. I never saw them as naive.
They've been pounded by the Imperium, including SMs and fought to a standstill.
They've been pounded by Tyranids, and managed to do what the Ultramarines could not.
They have Chaos attacking them from the Perdus Rift Anomaly, which is like their very own Eye of Terror.
They learned the hard way to shoot first when dealing with Necrons and DE.
Their military caste is naturally aggressive and they begin training at an early age.
I'm going to quote my own P&M blog: (Which needs to be reorganized a bit.)
This is the Caste of "diplomacy has failed and you are of no further use to us."
The Caste of the "Give-Us-All-Your-Weapons-Or-We'll-Blow-Your-Freakin'-Heads-Off" peace treaty.
This is why I'm trying to make my Tau look more aggressive and a little badass.
I'm only surprised as I never saw them as Grim Dark. I always thought of them as kind of like the Dominion from Star Trek but with a little less violence and war like tendencies and a bit diplomacy. Now they have gone full on Dominion which to me is awesome.
As for painting, I'm going for a little bit of a tribute to Hyperion from Borderlands 2. Their lore in game is incredibly dark and that's how I want to follow it, with a yellow, black and white army with a leader hellbent on Conquest who will do anything to achieve it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and back on the subject of the flyers...
Fafnir wrote: I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Yes because that gun in his arms looks so much bigger than an average boltgun
Quite a bit, actually.
No, not really dude.
Well, no, of course not, so long as you ignore that comically oversized square chunk that I can only assume is the gun's barrel. GW guns may be ridiculously oversized, but this is taking it even further.
Captain Avatar wrote: Is it me or do the Cadre Fireblade & Broaside models look like they were influenced by AT-43 Karmans. I guess GW wasn't happy with the current level of confusion about the Tau being goat-fish. Now they seem to be going for goat-fish in ape armour.
Behold, The Fire Caste commander pictured in the new ape armour
& The Broadside in the mighty gorilla armour
I guess the design studio must have confused Guerrilla Warfare with Gorilla Warfare.
Yes, I know the Broadside is kneeling which gives it an apish feel, but the small head on the tiny body and the supermassive arms also contribute to the look.
The Fireblade model is striding low which amplifies the chimp effect but, imo, even standing the armour would create a long torso short leg appearance.
I think I might actually pick a broadside up and convert him into my Shas'o. Especially if I can equip him for some decent combat potential in this new codex. The mighty Shas'hulk will be created.
Fafnir wrote: I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Yes because that gun in his arms looks so much bigger than an average boltgun
Quite a bit, actually.
No, not really dude.
Well, no, of course not, so long as you ignore that comically oversized square chunk that I can only assume is the gun's barrel. GW guns may be ridiculously oversized, but this is taking it even further.
That's either the photon grenade launcher or the markerlight. The barrels of tau pulse weapons are the tiny cylinders sticking out near the top.
Tau tend to build their weapons with heavy shrouding for whatever reason.
Crimson wrote: People keep complaining about the Crisis suits not redone to look more like the FW suits. Yes, I'd have liked that too, but from business perspective it makes sense to not do it. It would kill the sales of FW suits. It is the same reason why they got new flyers instead of plastic Barracuda.
Or, it'd encourage every Tau player -old and new- to "upgrade" their 'Suit force with nice shiny, new, plastics. Especially since the "new" ones would look so much better...
That's what happened with me when they released the new Necrons and Dark Eldar. All my old stuff went away and I spent much money on the new stuff.
The question i ask myself now, Is it the time to recollect tau.
the last 3 times didn't end so well might have to wait to see new models (tau titan-uber suit looks nice)
and Kroothawk/collegues in rumour mill: i take your rumours with a grain of salt
that has been oxidised in the sun too long ..in other words i don't think the majority of the rumours that come this way from Faeit are rumour,
i am starting to believe they might be something more, as alot since 2011 they have been too chillingly accurate to be rumour- then again my thoughts only.......
for all i know you work @ warhammer world or on the dev/sculpting side....one thing i am glad to have them instead of the lets hide everything that GW has fostered recently
Imho the Fireblade would look ok with a headswap and a grenade arm instead of the honour blade. I will probably get one if the head is not that hard to replace.
Fafnir wrote: I can't tell which part I love more. The completely rigid and static pose that has an entirely wrong sense of direction, the completely ridiculous looking scowl on his face, or the stupidly large gun that is stupidly oversized even for GW standards.
Yes because that gun in his arms looks so much bigger than an average boltgun
Quite a bit, actually.
No, not really dude.
Well, no, of course not, so long as you ignore that comically oversized square chunk that I can only assume is the gun's barrel. GW guns may be ridiculously oversized, but this is taking it even further.
That's either the photon grenade launcher or the markerlight. The barrels of tau pulse weapons are the tiny cylinders sticking out near the top.
Tau tend to build their weapons with heavy shrouding for whatever reason.
I have been playing force on force, infinity and flames of war so I am used to different sizes of guns. Let me tell you that there is no problem with the size of this gun, it is not meant to be a realistic universe like force on force. If you have a problem with gun sizes go play infinity, the guns are somewhat reasonably sized and if you have a problem with static posing go play some war machine [cause the models are not homogenous at all... ]
Crimson wrote: People keep complaining about the Crisis suits not redone to look more like the FW suits. Yes, I'd have liked that too, but from business perspective it makes sense to not do it. It would kill the sales of FW suits.
Read again the first comments when the first pics leaked: Half the comments were like this:
"Thank God I don't have to buy 15 new Crisis Suits".
A classic botch from the business perspective.
I can only hope than the Finecast generic commander suit can also be build as a generic crisis suit. But then again I am happy with all my FW Crisis Suits and Broadsides.
paulson games wrote: If you want to put a bit of work into converting you can make due with robed dark angel legs and a lot of cutting to get hakama style pants.
Or if you have some Infinty Yu Jing troops or Musashi, a jewerly saw and dremmel tool you can pieces together other Hakama style pants.
Personally I think the Tau have enough of a hi tech samurai look to them already, but I do really like these conversions, especially the first fire warrior and ethereal!
Good use of the drone top as a samurai hat as well.
I cant wait,.. bought 4 battlesuits and 2 squads of fire warriors a while back,.. But tau seemed unplayable at the time... But these new models look well ,.. daaaaaayumn!
Hope the codex will be awesome,.. though im dreading the prices already since GW seems to up their prices like crazy since 6th ... Dark Angels are near unpayable for what you get for your money...
Well without me being a tau player and probably never will I can say that IMHOGW missed a chance to make a lot of money... (yes I said that). People that are overexcited about Tau are people that are fond of the mecha style army. The core of this army would certainly be the crysis suit, so if what we see holds true then not releasing a new model is denying yourself a whole lot of money players would spend to buy the new ones. Well other than that flyer looks mehhh and the giant suit could use a bigger head.
I'm just happy they don't seem to have pulled a Nids and introduced a new model and made the old one so over costed that everyone had to get Trygons to replace their Carnifexs.
Also just be grateful they had mercy and didn't make the Remora Drone our flier
If there's one thing that I hope the XV8 Box has, is plenty of extra weapons on the sprue now. There should be enough to put a twin linked weapon on each battlesuit (6 of each gun)
I'm fine with the old battlesuits even if some people find them fiddly, but lack of weapons always bothered me.
Given that the XV8 Body is on the same sprue as the weapons, it seems unlikely, however.
Perhaps, if we're very lucky, we have new sprues with the same models? That would be super nice.
Rustgob wrote: If there's one thing that I hope the XV8 Box has, is plenty of extra weapons on the sprue now. There should be enough to put a twin linked weapon on each battlesuit (6 of each gun)
I'm fine with the old battlesuits even if some people find them fiddly, but lack of weapons always bothered me.
Given that the XV8 Body is on the same sprue as the weapons, it seems unlikely, however.
Perhaps, if we're very lucky, we have new sprues with the same models? That would be super nice.
Now that it comes in a 3 box, they could cut a single sprue with 3 copies of each of any new weapons. 1 new sprue shared by 3 models is a lot cheaper than adding another sprue to single battlesuit boxes. I could see that decision being the optimal one.
The oddest thing i thought about the Fireblade was this. HE was holding a knife. The only thing i can think he would be doing was rallying firewarriors.
Rustgob wrote: A new sprue with three extra copies of each weapon, right; that you can have enough weapons to fit three battlesuits with twin weaponry?
Because there's nothing I could want more; it would be perfect lol.
Haha haha oh my sides.
No, GW will never actually give us enough weapons for everything. That is not happening lol.
No, if they make another sprue, it will be an insufficient number of weapons, just enough to cover the bases for anything new they add.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Do people actually expect recut sprues for the XV-8? It sounds like they are just making them into a three pack with the old sprues, no more.
We're talking about the possibility of a single 7th sprue to be shared by all 3 suits.
hotsauceman1 wrote: The oddest thing i thought about the Fireblade was this. HE was holding a knife. The only thing i can think he would be doing was rallying firewarriors.
I like the model, but it looks like he's giving a speech rather than doing anything during a battle. As I'm going to try to make my whole Tau army look like they're advancing stealthily through a swamp, I therefore think I'll end up converting my own version. Otherwise that particular model is going to look like someone who's never heard of snipers.
OK, the same could be said for many 40K models, but I want my Tau to have more of a "present day" and less fantastical feel.
Rustgob wrote: A new sprue with three extra copies of each weapon, right; that you can have enough weapons to fit three battlesuits with twin weaponry?
Because there's nothing I could want more; it would be perfect lol.
Haha haha oh my sides.
No, GW will never actually give us enough weapons for everything. That is not happening lol.
No, if they make another sprue, it will be an insufficient number of weapons, just enough to cover the bases for anything new they add.
Boo, booo!
I want to dream! xD
I know it's atypical of GW to screw people over in the manner of 'not enough weapons for battlesuits', but it would be nice for a box like the three battlesuits to be an exception. Their flexibility is a defining feature after all.
As far as Fireblade or say Darkstrider goes will these guys be HQ's or will they be just special characters? I like the look of the sword on Fireblade, but cutting the arm off and repositioning it downward will be a must or using a FW arm bit might do. And with regards to xv8 weapons, any ideas if the cib or afp may become a normal weapon and not special issue. There was some talk a week ago about having XV8's having an option to have 2+ armor which I'm assuming iridium armor can be taken by all. Thoughts? Also there was a rumor floating around that the multi-tracker was being taken away which means we can only fire 1 weapon from a XV8 per turn. Any idea if this is true? Hope not that would be a huge nerf.
JOHIRA wrote: With all this talk of why GW can't remake the XV-8s, keep in mind this is the same GW that produced a metal (or was it Finecast?) Bloodcrusher of Khorne model what, a year before producing a plastic kit?
What GW assigns its resources to is a calculated risk based on what the penny-pinchers in corporate think will sell. They have clearly decided that we players will continue to buy GW products if they give us a bunch of silly new shineys rather than fixing a plastic kit that was frankly on the edge of acceptable design way back when they first made it, and has only gone down-hill since. The only way to change their mind is to not buy the new shineys.
Which is what I'll be not doing.
This is actually one of the smarter things GW does.
While they feel they might have a good idea, internally, what people will buy, they've obviously completely missed the mark a few times. So anything that is at a risk of not selling what is expected, they don't move it to plastic until they see resin/metal sales to justify it.
In regards to the XV-8, bear in mind that the same slot has the Riptide in it, a brand new large kit which probably took two whole molds. That's risk enough. By not redesigning them, they've given themselves one less plastic mold to recoup costs on. Let the risk on the Riptide ride out. Not to mention new XV-8's wouldn't have as wide of an appeal as something like the Riptide.
Another way to say this is: If GW didn't insist on shoehorning in a giant kit where none was needed (and a good deal of people like myself didn't want one because it contradicts the background as written), GW would have had the resources to give us two more plastic kits, one of which could have been XV8s that were done properly this time around.
After all, existing Tau players would have plenty of XV-8's, and there's plenty more going around second hand.
And they would happily replace those kits with new purchases in a second if those new kits looked dynamic and exciting, as opposed to the current refrigerators on chicken legs.
I think this is why GW is losing market share year after year to other companies. We're constantly seeing these huge, expensive plastic mold resources being invested in middling kits. Chibihawks, manticores, storm talons, dark shrouds, High Elf spearmen/archers... GW has this long history of investing tons of resources into kits without following through and making sure the final product is worth the investment. Then when an army sells badly (perhaps because a core unit from it's visual design looks like ass) it goes years without a redesign because the bean-counters don't want to invest in it. Sales go down further.
GW don't seem to have figured out that in this game, it's the company that has the best looking figures that wins- not the company that has the largest catalogue of middling-quality figures. Especially when they charge prices like their figures are of the highest quality.
Rented Tritium wrote: We're talking about the possibility of a single 7th sprue to be shared by all 3 suits.
Nonsense. If they were going to make a new sprue for Crisis teams, they would have just made a whole new Crisis sprue with the complete suit and all new options on it. There is absolutely no point in adding a second sprue, it just makes the box harder to pack.
JOHIRA wrote: With all this talk of why GW can't remake the XV-8s, keep in mind this is the same GW that produced a metal (or was it Finecast?) Bloodcrusher of Khorne model what, a year before producing a plastic kit?
What GW assigns its resources to is a calculated risk based on what the penny-pinchers in corporate think will sell. They have clearly decided that we players will continue to buy GW products if they give us a bunch of silly new shineys rather than fixing a plastic kit that was frankly on the edge of acceptable design way back when they first made it, and has only gone down-hill since. The only way to change their mind is to not buy the new shineys.
Which is what I'll be not doing.
This is actually one of the smarter things GW does.
While they feel they might have a good idea, internally, what people will buy, they've obviously completely missed the mark a few times. So anything that is at a risk of not selling what is expected, they don't move it to plastic until they see resin/metal sales to justify it.
In regards to the XV-8, bear in mind that the same slot has the Riptide in it, a brand new large kit which probably took two whole molds. That's risk enough. By not redesigning them, they've given themselves one less plastic mold to recoup costs on. Let the risk on the Riptide ride out. Not to mention new XV-8's wouldn't have as wide of an appeal as something like the Riptide.
Another way to say this is: If GW didn't insist on shoehorning in a giant kit where none was needed (and a good deal of people like myself didn't want one because it contradicts the background as written), GW would have had the resources to give us two more plastic kits, one of which could have been XV8s that were done properly this time around.
The Riptide does not contradict the background as much as you think. The primary argument that the background negates has always been the argument that "Tau need a Titan!"--but that thing is not quite Titan sized. It seems to be in a class more equivalent to a Knight.
Given that it is (supposedly) still in the experimental stages and still has the ability to be highly mobile, I'm not too fussed about the Riptide's addition.
If it were the size of a Warhound or Reaver or Warlord?
Yeah, then I'd have a problem.
I'll wait to see why the Riptide has made an appearance before condemning it. Might be a reaction to the Tyranids, where the standard smaller suits seemingly could not deliver the firepower necessary to deal with large monsters like Trygons but Broadsides could at the expense of mobility.
After all, existing Tau players would have plenty of XV-8's, and there's plenty more going around second hand.
And they would happily replace those kits with new purchases in a second if those new kits looked dynamic and exciting, as opposed to the current refrigerators on chicken legs.
You underestimate penny pinching.
I think this is why GW is losing market share year after year to other companies. We're constantly seeing these huge, expensive plastic mold resources being invested in middling kits. Chibihawks, manticores, storm talons, dark shrouds, High Elf spearmen/archers... GW has this long history of investing tons of resources into kits without following through and making sure the final product is worth the investment. Then when an army sells badly (perhaps because a core unit from it's visual design looks like ass) it goes years without a redesign because the bean-counters don't want to invest in it. Sales go down further.
I would just like to point out that in Fantasy's case, the "redesigns" of older kits seems to be on the backburner because of a push to move towards units being in all plastic rather than Finecast/pewter like they were previously.
If you look at the Fantasy rumor thread right now, High Elf Spearmen/Lothern Sea Guard and new Silver Helm plastics are listed as being pretty reliably confirmed. They're not coming out in May but rather a "later release wave"--but they are coming out. I did not see a mention of Archers, but they might be part of the initial release wave.
It's also mentioned in there that all the Elves are being done by a kind of "council" of designers rather than individual designers, and that all the Elves will have a single shared rule of some kind.
GW don't seem to have figured out that in this game, it's the company that has the best looking figures that wins- not the company that has the largest catalogue of middling-quality figures. Especially when they charge prices like their figures are of the highest quality.
Explain how Mantic's elves have sold well then?
Comparing Fantasy sales to 40k sales just does not work.
They've been pounded by Tyranids, and managed to do what the Ultramarines could not.
I'll just not comment on the other stuff, but what? Did you miss the part where Hive Fleet Leviathan isn't around as a Hive Fleet anymore?
Leviathan is on the other side of the galaxy.
Hive fleet Gorgon started as the remnants of Behemoth. The Ultramarines and Imperial Navy were too busy desperately trying not to get wiped out to bother eliminating the entire hive fleet.
So the remnants, with all they had learned from fighting humans, went off to consume world after world until it was back to the size of a Hive Fleet, (renamed Gorgon) which is when it entered Tau space... And was annihilated.
On Topic:
Something about the Fireblade's face looks off... He looks old, but not in a tough, Clint Eastwood way. More like a grumpy, Walter Matthau way... Looks like he's saying "You damn kids left your knife in my rose bushes again!"
Sorry, meant Behemoth, not Leviathan. I keep getting them mixed up.
That said, firstly, Gorgon was smaller than other Hive Fleets and, crucially, the Tau didn't defeat them alone. The Imperial Guard and Navy helped. You conveniently left that out though...
Glad to see I'm not the only one who saw the rock potential of the Broadside pose.
Rented Tritium wrote: We're talking about the possibility of a single 7th sprue to be shared by all 3 suits.
Nonsense. If they were going to make a new sprue for Crisis teams, they would have just made a whole new Crisis sprue with the complete suit and all new options on it. There is absolutely no point in adding a second sprue, it just makes the box harder to pack.
Rented Tritium wrote: We're talking about the possibility of a single 7th sprue to be shared by all 3 suits.
Nonsense. If they were going to make a new sprue for Crisis teams, they would have just made a whole new Crisis sprue with the complete suit and all new options on it. There is absolutely no point in adding a second sprue, it just makes the box harder to pack.
Just one Word: Drones
Exactly. If they can afford to stick a dumb little drone sprue in with everything, they can probably find a way to put 3 new guns or whatever on a little nub and toss them in the older boxes for a 10 dollar price hike.
hotsauceman1 wrote: The oddest thing i thought about the Fireblade was this. HE was holding a knife. The only thing i can think he would be doing was rallying firewarriors.
Which is what they do with knifes.
From the current, ancient Tau Codex
Bonding knife This is a ceremonial knife, not intended for combat, carried by the leader of Fire caste Warrior teams who have performed the Ta'lissera ritual and bonded as a group. So long as the bearer is alive, the bonded team may regroup even if below half strength.
I would presume he's either carrying a regular bonding knife sculpted larger than those so far, or the ancient-relic-uber-fire-blade-bonding-knife-of-super-leadership they've added to one-up the current bonding knife in the codex.
Rented Tritium wrote: We're talking about the possibility of a single 7th sprue to be shared by all 3 suits.
Nonsense. If they were going to make a new sprue for Crisis teams, they would have just made a whole new Crisis sprue with the complete suit and all new options on it. There is absolutely no point in adding a second sprue, it just makes the box harder to pack.
Just one Word: Drones
Exactly. If they can afford to stick a dumb little drone sprue in with everything, they can probably find a way to put 3 new guns or whatever on a little nub and toss them in the older boxes for a 10 dollar price hike.
There's no reason for GW to keep repeating that mistake. Yes, they have to pack drones with the older kits. You'll notice, however, that the slightly newer Piranha already comes with drones on the sprue, so clearly GW has decided quite a while ago that accessory sprues are bad, mmmkay? When was the last time GW made an accessory sprue? Let's see... not with Daemons, not with DA, not with CSM, not with SW, BA, GK, Necrons or Nids. The newest one I can think of are the vanilla Marines in 2008, and that only works because so many units share the same bodies.
Rented Tritium wrote: We're talking about the possibility of a single 7th sprue to be shared by all 3 suits.
Nonsense. If they were going to make a new sprue for Crisis teams, they would have just made a whole new Crisis sprue with the complete suit and all new options on it. There is absolutely no point in adding a second sprue, it just makes the box harder to pack.
Just one Word: Drones
Exactly. If they can afford to stick a dumb little drone sprue in with everything, they can probably find a way to put 3 new guns or whatever on a little nub and toss them in the older boxes for a 10 dollar price hike.
There's no reason for GW to keep repeating that mistake. Yes, they have to pack drones with the older kits. You'll notice, however, that the slightly newer Piranha already comes with drones on the sprue, so clearly GW has decided quite a while ago that accessory sprues are bad, mmmkay? When was the last time GW made an accessory sprue? Let's see... not with Daemons, not with DA, not with CSM, not with SW, BA, GK, Necrons or Nids. The newest one I can think of are the vanilla Marines in 2008, and that only works because so many units share the same bodies.
It depends if you consider it an accessory or an "upgrade"; they've got plenty of upgrade sprues.
Breotan wrote: The more I look at this, the less I am convinced that it is a good model. I understand what they were going for regarding the aesthetics but I don't think they pulled it off. The front end still looks like the FW Ork Bomba before it was orkified and that ruins the overall look. Also, Tau seem to have been swept wing or delta wing design where this is obvious modern earth tech design.
I'd love to see what FW can do to "fix" this like they did the chibihawk but then I remember that the Storm Eagle is one of the most aggravating kits to assemble in a long time.
Cool! All the parts for a gears of war raven conversion!
Please don't attach non wargaming pictures to Dakka. Thanks.
agnosto wrote: It depends if you consider it an accessory or an "upgrade"; they've got plenty of upgrade sprues.
I don't recall any since 2008. It's a really flimsy argument to base a false hope for new Crisis options around.
My, someone is in a dismissive mood today.
I'm just telling it like it is. Considering that the human brain is designed for pattern recognition, it always astounds me how people can ignore years of precedence.
Of course, I could be wrong. GW could do a 180 (again) and make an upgrade sprue for the first time in 4 years. And while they're redefining company policy, they might as well lower prices and start announcing new releases months in advance, too.
agnosto wrote: It depends if you consider it an accessory or an "upgrade"; they've got plenty of upgrade sprues.
I don't recall any since 2008. It's a really flimsy argument to base a false hope for new Crisis options around.
My, someone is in a dismissive mood today.
I'm just telling it like it is. Considering that the human brain is designed for pattern recognition, it always astounds me how people can ignore years of precedence.
Of course, I could be wrong. GW could do a 180 (again) and make an upgrade sprue for the first time in 4 years. And while they're redefining company policy, they might as well lower prices and start announcing new releases months in advance, too.
We 'ignore' these patterns because we like to hope for change and improvement.
I for one, am sick of plastic kits being missing options from a 'dex, even though they get released at the same time. No excuse for it, IMO.
tetrisphreak wrote: What recent plastic release hasn't had every option represented?
Well, the last plastic kit I can remember off the top of my head that didn't represent all options well enough was probably the Razorback. They really should have updated the razorback kit years ago.
tetrisphreak wrote: Agreed on the razorback. However in recent kit releases I think GW has really put afieldable options in their boxes.
I think the last kit that I've personally had my hands on which struck me as having 'plenty of options' was the Space Marine Commander; lots of options! Still missing a couple though, I think.
tetrisphreak wrote: What recent plastic release hasn't had every option represented?
Well, the last plastic kit I can remember off the top of my head that didn't represent all options well enough was probably the Razorback. They really should have updated the razorback kit years ago.
Don't know why this didn't occur to me earlier, but I wonder how convertible the new Broadside is going to be. I've been studying the pic and I have hopes that the railguns are seperate parts enough to mount on his shoulders for the new-meet-old aesthetic. IF I EVER get the flyer or lord stop me an XV-104, dear me the conversion possibilities.
FLYER: Wingtips angle/wingtip missiles, Engine location(?), Tail wings, Extra engines from a D-fish, wing spar mounted Rail CANNONS, Hammerhead dropship mod, twin piranha dropship mod again off the spars, so on and so on.
lord_blackfang wrote:There's no reason for GW to keep repeating that mistake. Yes, they have to pack drones with the older kits. You'll notice, however, that the slightly newer Piranha already comes with drones on the sprue, so clearly GW has decided quite a while ago that accessory sprues are bad, mmmkay? When was the last time GW made an accessory sprue?
1.) GW doesn't need a reason to repeat mistakes 2.) A lot of accessory sprues are still sold mon the website.
3.) We are discussing the potential on how to keep the old Crisis Suit sprues by just adding one new sprue, that contains some new weapon options and all drone options including shield drones not available in plastic currently but essential for Crisis Suit teams.
lord_blackfang wrote:I'm just telling it like it is. Considering that the human brain is designed for pattern recognition, it always astounds me how people can ignore years of precedence.
They've been pounded by Tyranids, and managed to do what the Ultramarines could not.
I'll just not comment on the other stuff, but what? Did you miss the part where Hive Fleet Leviathan isn't around as a Hive Fleet anymore?
Leviathan is on the other side of the galaxy.
Hive fleet Gorgon started as the remnants of Behemoth. The Ultramarines and Imperial Navy were too busy desperately trying not to get wiped out to bother eliminating the entire hive fleet.
So the remnants, with all they had learned from fighting humans, went off to consume world after world until it was back to the size of a Hive Fleet, (renamed Gorgon) which is when it entered Tau space... And was annihilated.
On Topic:
Something about the Fireblade's face looks off... He looks old, but not in a tough, Clint Eastwood way. More like a grumpy, Walter Matthau way... Looks like he's saying "You damn kids left your knife in my rose bushes again!"
Sorry, meant Behemoth, not Leviathan. I keep getting them mixed up.
That said, firstly, Gorgon was smaller than other Hive Fleets and, crucially, the Tau didn't defeat them alone. The Imperial Guard and Navy helped. You conveniently left that out though...
Hive Fleet Gorgon was large enough to be called a Hive Fleet. I think their adaptability made up for the size difference.
I did leave out that IG helped because I don't think it's relevant.
IG+Imperial Navy+Ultramarines versus Behemoth = failure to wipe it out. Whereas IG+Imperial Navy+Ke'lshan Sept = Success. And IG only helped in the very last phase of that war. Though their help was crucial vs. Gorgon, it was also Crucial vs. Behemoth.
My statement just excluded the common denominator.
I have to admit, this is one of many fluff pieces about which I'd love to read in greater detail. I enjoy these sorts of stories. The new fluff alone gets me excited for the Codex.
Personally, I have no hope of anything of the nature but they do have a history of doing such things. Admittedly though this was more of a move to finecast than anything else.
You're wrong, I can call it like I see it as well; and without the added snark of self-righteous pedantry.
They've been pounded by Tyranids, and managed to do what the Ultramarines could not.
I'll just not comment on the other stuff, but what? Did you miss the part where Hive Fleet Leviathan isn't around as a Hive Fleet anymore?
Leviathan is on the other side of the galaxy.
Hive fleet Gorgon started as the remnants of Behemoth. The Ultramarines and Imperial Navy were too busy desperately trying not to get wiped out to bother eliminating the entire hive fleet.
So the remnants, with all they had learned from fighting humans, went off to consume world after world until it was back to the size of a Hive Fleet, (renamed Gorgon) which is when it entered Tau space... And was annihilated.
On Topic:
Something about the Fireblade's face looks off... He looks old, but not in a tough, Clint Eastwood way. More like a grumpy, Walter Matthau way... Looks like he's saying "You damn kids left your knife in my rose bushes again!"
Sorry, meant Behemoth, not Leviathan. I keep getting them mixed up.
That said, firstly, Gorgon was smaller than other Hive Fleets and, crucially, the Tau didn't defeat them alone. The Imperial Guard and Navy helped. You conveniently left that out though...
Hive Fleet Gorgon was large enough to be called a Hive Fleet. I think their adaptability made up for the size difference.
I did leave out that IG helped because I don't think it's relevant.
IG+Imperial Navy+Ultramarines versus Behemoth = failure to wipe it out. Whereas IG+Imperial Navy+Ke'lshan Sept = Success. And IG only helped in the very last phase of that war. Though their help was crucial vs. Gorgon, it was also Crucial vs. Behemoth.
My statement just excluded the common denominator.
I have to admit, this is one of many fluff pieces about which I'd love to read in greater detail. I enjoy these sorts of stories. The new fluff alone gets me excited for the Codex.
The last part where the Hive Fleet had adapted to all known Tau weaponry but couldn't adapt to both Tau and Guard in time? That little detail? And sure, Gorgon had enough to be a "proper" Hive Fleet, but still nowhere near the size of Behemoth.
I just saw the video and went to their youtube page. They uploaded it as private to Youtube on the 14th........right around the time the photos started to be leaked...........Where's my tinfoil!!
paulson games wrote: If you want to put a bit of work into converting you can make due with robed dark angel legs and a lot of cutting to get hakama style pants.
Or if you have some Infinty Yu Jing troops or Musashi, a jewerly saw and dremmel tool you can pieces together other Hakama style pants.
Personally I think the Tau have enough of a hi tech samurai look to them already, but I do really like these conversions, especially the first fire warrior and ethereal!
Good use of the drone top as a samurai hat as well.
If those were the actual GW models, I might buy a bunch of Tau, for use in a better rule system of course.
"Samurai Tau" seem pretty awful. I mean, everyone is free to convert whatever they want into whatever they want, but to me Tau only have a loose anime/asian vibe (if any) and are primarily meant to have the look of a clean, efficient, "modern" sci-fi army (as opposed to the gothic/steampunk astetices/egyptian/alien ascetic to most of the other races)
LoL My Dreamforge Leviathon was cheaper than the Riptide and is posable and a beautiful model. I'm not saying I don't like the Riptide...I guess I'll just have to wait and see what it looks like. They can keep the special characters and commander, I'll just convert my own.
I thought the pathfinders were 10 to a box or am I mis-remembering something?
Savageconvoy wrote: Apparently the VX-8 commander is $42 and Farsight is $50.
I want to tell myself that those will never sell for that price. But people always have to prove me wrong.
I for one am willing to pay a high price for a centerpiece model. In fact, if the VX-8 model is cool enough to replace my existing Commander, I consider it a guaranteed purchase.
I love the new models, but good grief the prices are just about out of my reach, and I am not a poor man. I am on the verge of not being able to continue to financially support this game I love so much anymore.
I love that they've at least given us more special characters. I think it's unfortunate that they cost so much, though. Nothing costs less than $35 except the characters.
The riptide looks sweet, but it better come with a bunch of bits. Same with the pathfinders. I think most of us have converted or purchased the old pathfinders by now, so hopefully they come with more than a few new bits and drones. I also hope they allow the new drones to be purchased separately, but sort of doubt that will happen anytime soon if ever.
All told, I just really hope this new book is fun. I don't care if it's broken good or even just on par with the current book, but I want it to be fun to play - that's the point of it all, isn't it?
Thanks for all of the pictures and rumors, fellas. As an avid Tau player, I've been lurking a lot and just wanted to say thank you to everyone that made this thread happen.
it, there is so much that I want to pre-order. But with out seeing the rules I don't know exactly how much to get of what. The big thing that I want to know about is the Cadre Fireblade, to me that just seems like the Necro Royal Court. Which I like that idea, I just don't know how many to get right off the bat. Oh well.....
