Possible, but not powerful.

it's very disappointing to see that they didn't update the crisis look.
I mean, c'mon, they are the (imho) worst model out there and what you do? you repack them in a 3 box with the usual price rise...

the big guy is great but try to imagine an army with a lot of "cube" crisis and that model in the middle... feel totally out of place. It's obvious that they want to
push people to forgeworld but i am very, very disappointed.
no buy for me.

They went down in price in the uk for the three.

A whole £1.50.

Battleforce is curious. Only one troop unit, but it does make playable army if minimum squad for FW's remains 6. It offers similar/slightly better value for money than the old one but I'm not sure it's better starting point for the army. I mean, three suits is better, but OTOH there is no Devilfish, and Piranha probably sucks again.

So the new flier looks awful. The new suits look clunky and over detailed. Looks like the crisis suits haven't changed. New pathfinders look good and at an ok price. Another swing and a miss for me if I'm honest, looks like GW had sacrificed quality when it comes to speed of release. Still saves me money as I won't be buying any thing from this release.

OTT detail seems to be the thing now. Or large flat areas.

I like the look of the new stuff. I think the flyer is cool, and I'm glad that there is a saving to be had by getting the battle force.

No new Crisis Suits is a deal breaker for me, so GW can gtfo.

The flyer doesn't look good at all and it's price even less considering that it's probably Razorwing/Scythe size , and 40,- (euros) for a Broadside..... I don't think so.

Riptide looks cool. It doesn't look 65,- cool though.

Add some failcast characters that I don't want anyway.

In short, this is the typical disappointing release full of deranged prices we've gotten used to from GW lately.

The only weird but positive exception being the Pathfinders: 10 Pathfinders + 3 Drones for 25,-.

Whenn you say 'typical release', you mean:

Step 1 - rumours. My army is broken. Waaaah
Step 2 - leaked pics. They look awful. Waaaah
Step 3 - proper pics. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh
Step 4 - release. These are pretty good after all. Yay

Yes, I've noticed this 'typical' trend

Waiting for better pics, looks good now, but once again seems to be a mailed in codex. Lets add a flyer...check. Lets add something big on mc base....check. Move stuff around....check. See if they nerf rules to kill the army and previous fluff....we'll see.

Just to the front of the new big fella and behind the glare on the right is a suit I haven't seen before.

has a new HQ been hiding in plain sight?

He has a rather large gun and a shoulder buckler link the fire warriors

Edit: nevermind. Its just a better picture of the broadsides

UltraPrime wrote:
Whenn you say 'typical release', you mean:

Step 1 - rumours. My army is broken. Waaaah
Step 2 - leaked pics. They look awful. Waaaah
Step 3 - proper pics. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh
Step 4 - release. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh

Yes, I've noticed this 'typical' trend

Fixed it for you.

 Ledabot wrote:



Just to the front of the new big fella and behind the glare on the right is a suit I haven't seen before.

has a new HQ been hiding in plain sight?

He has a rather large gun and a shoulder buckler link the fire warriors

That is the new Broadside model, it is considerably larger and on a suitably larger base. This is an excuse for it to be an absurd $50 for a single one.

 Ledabot wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bfKJzNRhCCA/UUUpO9p4fTI/AAAAAAAAVEg/WP4o1GDLROY/s1600/tau1.jpg


Just to the front of the new big fella and behind the glare on the right is a suit I haven't seen before.

has a new HQ been hiding in plain sight?

He has a rather large gun and a shoulder buckler link the fire warriors

No, it is the new Broadside.


My opinion on the new Tau: the Riptide is awesome (and I'm in love with its name), the fliers are horrible in the worst way possible, the Broadside is kinda' WTF but the Pathfinders are cool. I hope the Riptide will have some super-duper OP rules too, I want to field 3 of those and melt face with them!

Just bare in mind GWs new design policy, the uglier the model the more OP the rules. How else where they going to sell skull cannon?

 AtoMaki wrote:
My opinion on the new Tau: the Riptide is awesome (and I'm in love with its name), the fliers are horrible in the worst way possible, the Broadside is kinda' WTF but the Pathfinders are cool. I hope the Riptide will have some super-duper OP rules too, I want to field 3 of those and melt face with them!

Get your $255 USD (before tax) ready for your three models then. Sound a bit extreme? Don't worry, you'll come away with six whole drones as well!

Huh, I hoped for new crisis suits, do you guys think the kroot are an ally detachment then, seeing how they arent in the battle force or the battle pic?

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Just bare in mind GWs new design policy, the uglier the model the more OP the rules. How else where they going to sell skull cannon?

I swear I would make a good model designer for GW. I like everything they put out. I even like the dam Chibitelon. Maybe I could play test some stuff on the side.

My point is, I simply can understand why people don't like the new models. I think they all look great but half the posts seem to be complaints. Their finally releasing a new book! Rejoice! don't go and sulk in the corner after one glance.

The broadsides look quite a bit bigger then the crisis suits. It will be good to see some decent photos of everything. Liking the giant suit. Hopefully will make many things go splat!

 Ledabot wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Just bare in mind GWs new design policy, the uglier the model the more OP the rules. How else where they going to sell skull cannon?

I swear I would make a good model designer for GW. I like everything they put out. I even like the dam Chibitelon. Maybe I could play test some stuff on the side.

My point is, I simply can understand why people don't like the new models. I think they all look great but half the posts seem to be complaints. Their finally releasing a new book! Rejoice! don't go and sulk in the corner after one glance.

The longer you make people wait for something then the better it needs to be. Necrons and Dark Eldar are perfect examples of what this release should have been. Very little effort is evident in these new designs and they poorly fit the design aesthetic.

UltraPrime wrote:
Whenn you say 'typical release', you mean:

Step 1 - rumours. My army is broken. Waaaah
Step 2 - leaked pics. They look awful. Waaaah
Step 3 - proper pics. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh
Step 4 - release. These are pretty good after all. Yay

Yes, I've noticed this 'typical' trend

No, I know perfectly well what I mean and that is not it.

GW's typical release for quite a while:

Step 1: don't resculpt any old fugly miniatures that people really really want resculpted.
Step 2: push the latest flavour of flashy looking big/monstrous mini upon us.
Step 3: push the latest flavour of flyer upon us.
Step 4: make stuff look even more ott blinged out/cartoony/action figure than last release.
Step 5: all of the above at pulled-out-of-corporate-butt increased pricing that no way is worth the product in the box.

 Ledabot wrote:
My point is, I simply can understand why people don't like the new models. I think they all look great but half the posts seem to be complaints. Their finally releasing a new book! Rejoice! don't go and sulk in the corner after one glance.

Those of us who aren't rejoicing are "sulking in the corner" because every "glance" so far has been gak. The extended wait makes it hurt even more. This isn't being ungrateful, entitled, or anything so deep-seeded; it is simply disappointment made worse by seven years since the joke of an "update" that was 4th edition Tau and twelve years since the last proper Tau release back with the 3rd edition book.

Whats especially bad this time around is that not only are some of the rumored rules disappointing as well as the models but that the listed prices (except with the curiously well priced Pathfinders) show that GW is continuing to walk down the road to its own demise as it slowly prices people out of its products. Seeing people rave about the stuff and not give a single thought to the great implications makes it all the more disappointing. Every GW release shows that the company is dragging itself down and is being helped along the way by excited fans.

By all means, be excited if you want, I'm just a grump. It is just sad to see people enabling the slow death of GW and 40K by rewarding them with business.

 SonicPara wrote:
By all means, be excited if you want, I'm just a grump. It is just sad to see people enabling the slow death of GW and 40K by rewarding them with business.

Wait... buying 40k products causes 40k to die? Not sure you thought that one through...

 Kingsley wrote:
Wait... buying 40k products causes 40k to die? Not sure you thought that one through...

Supporting self-destructive behavior encourages self-destruction. Supporting GW's products despite price hikes supports GW's practice of raising prices. Eventually, people will be unable to purchase GW products and the company and its games will crumble.

Sometimes opposing something is the best thing you can do to help it.

 SonicPara wrote:
Supporting self-destructive behavior encourages self-destruction. Supporting GW's products despite price hikes supports GW's practice of raising prices. Eventually, people will be unable to purchase GW products and the company and its games will crumble.

Or GW will continue raising prices until they price to what the market can bear, at which point they stop raising prices. GW may be profit-oriented, but they're not stupid. For instance, I bet the reason the Tau flyer is 65 while the DA flyer was 75 is that the DA flyer wasn't very popular at that price point-- though weak rules might play a role too.

Similarly, GW has kept prices of infantry low-- most Troops units have gone down in price once you adjust for inflation from 2004-present, and Pathfinders just went from 20 USD for 3 to 35 USD for 10 + 3 Drones-- while increasing prices on big "centerpiece" models like the new Riptide suit. This strategy seems logical to me because most armies are primarily composed of relatively cheap infantry, and players are willing to spring for more expensive characters, monsters, or tanks as long as those aren't the core of the army.

 Ledabot wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Just bare in mind GWs new design policy, the uglier the model the more OP the rules. How else where they going to sell skull cannon?

I swear I would make a good model designer for GW. I like everything they put out. I even like the dam Chibitelon. Maybe I could play test some stuff on the side.

My point is, I simply can understand why people don't like the new models. I think they all look great but half the posts seem to be complaints. Their finally releasing a new book! Rejoice! don't go and sulk in the corner after one glance.

What's annoyed me so far is that the concept of a Giant Crisis suit is stupid and doesn't fit in with the Tau at all and the new Broadside has the exact same designation as the old one - it's bigger and heavier than the XV9, it should not be in the XV8 class. FireWarriors also aren't getting anything new despite being very bland models with very few accessories or customization options at all (Nearly all the poses are the same). I quite like the look of the new flyers but they are very lazy designs, and they don't fit in much with other Tau flyers.

Is it me or do those fliers look rather Orky to anyone else? Guess FW will still be selling their fliers then. The new suit designs don't look so bad but they really should have redesigned the existing ones.

 Kingsley wrote:
Or GW will continue raising prices until they price to what the market can bear, at which point they stop raising prices.

The problem is that consumers, in general, are fickle creatures; once you lose them they are almost always gone for good. Once GW crosses that final line (can't believe I'm speaking hypothetically here when we have $85 monstrous creature kits) they will immediately start losing customers. Of course they would price drop back down to a previously acceptable level but not only do they seem to lack the agility to do such a move in time to avert disaster but they also have shown tremendous hubris and I'm not convinced they would recognize the issue until it was too late and the damage was done.

TL,DR: GW is marching towards more absurd prices and supporting them is sounding the drum to march onward.

Back to Tau.

 Kingsley wrote:

Or GW will continue raising prices until they price to what the market can bear, at which point they stop raising prices.

They've already proven they will continue raising prices beyond what the market can take. Take a gander at the AU pricing and half yearly sales reports.

Hey, pricing thread, how original.

Am I the only one that thinks the flyer can look really good with some minor conversions
and doesn't like the riptide at all because it has way to many tiny details for a tau unit?^^

But I'm offcially excited about the codex now. ; )
Finally my army will be fun to play with again! XD

I will make my final decision after I can flip through the WD, but as it looks now I will be selling my Tau.

The Riptide looks awful, way too busy.

The flyers look like badly converted pirhanas.

Suits got no makeover.

No new Kroot spotted.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Someone REALLY needs to update the first post with all the pics and rumors...

Updated.
Many thanks to both Kroot and pretre for rumors, keep up the good work

The front page pics are broken for me...be worth changing title to mention WD pics too


Still no Kroot?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

So here are my made up Tau rumors...

1-In keeping with the proud tradition of the Storm Talon and Chibi Hawk well-known and beloved Tau models from Forge World will NOT be remade in plastic nor included in the codex. Instead the codex will include some ill-concieved poorly shoe-horned new models that were churned out over the weekend by an intern (oops, that one might be true).

Damn, Kid Kyoto was right!

Another GW release with not a single bit of inspiration, just bad copy-pasts from old designs.

Crisis Suits? Same outdated ugly design, just without the option to buy them as singles. Good thing I have FW models.


Pathfinders? Same design just plastic. At least not worse and cheaper.

Broadsides? Slightly varied outdated blocky design. For exactly the same price you get the superior FW model:


Riptide? Slightly varied outdated blocky design with odd legs. At least now I have rules for my 13cm Gundam models:


Flyer? Are you serious? Just filling the open Piranha cockpit with greenstuff and adding plasticard to the wings is not a new design! And not worth more than double the Piranha price! It is really like an intern getting 5 minutes for the design AND the prototype model: "Where do I put the rocket launcher?" "Anywhere, doesn't matter."
BTW here the model the intern copied without understanding the design:


Guess it's time to get a second Remora set for Fast Attack (£33.00 for two instead of £40.00 for one) and Barracuda for Heavy Weapon.

TR;DR: Another release botched by lack of inspiration and lazyness.

http://blog.bitzbox.co.uk/sneak-peek-first-leaked-images-of-new-tau/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=sneak-peek-first-leaked-images-of-new-tau


I actually get what they were going for with the flyers, a predator drone aesthetic.

Giant suit was expected, I think it was a tad lazy and just played safe.

We should not have expected new crisis suits, GW is not redoing any old kits atm. I think perhaps they are recounting the beans from the expenditures from the Dark Eldar and Necron redesigns.

As someone who was considering Tau or Imperial Guard for my Ork allies, seems Imperial Guard win atm.

Wow, even the well known Kroothawk has given up on Tau. The End is Neigh indeed.

I for one have no problems with the new models, I think with a slight adjustment the flyers will look awesome. The new Riptide Suit should work out well. (Come and tell me you didn't expect it either, every single army released comes with some new monster or craziness, Tau of course get a suit.)

I'm glad with the direction thy went, I for one don't want my large Tau collection to be unusable because a bunch of people don't like the current look to crisis suits.

All in all, happy so far. Now the important part (Yes the model changes are at the very bottom of my list) What are the rules for these new units and all the old ones. I hope there are some great changes. #1 Want, Fusion Cannon (aka Multi-melta), not even Eldar have those.

Those WD pictures of Tau... IT BUUUUURNS.

Givn the Riptide is going into Elites and the Crisis Suits just got multi-boxed, I think that's the hint that the days of the lone elite Crisis suit are over and units of Crisis Troops may be coming.

Of course we may see a Crisis Suit nerf as a part of the process.

I think the flyers have conversion possibilities and I like the larger Xv88's.

Personally I am a die hard fan of 80s era mecha so I am very pleased the Crisis suits remain largely untouched.

I have no way of knowing if I am correct but from the looks of things, it appears to me at least, that the suits have retained their design aesthetic but may be new sculpts themselves. Something about the ankles on those Xv8s looks different to me and the posing seems different as well.

Granted, it may just be a result of the poor resolution of the images in question.


The riptide suit I have mixed feelings on. I will need to see better photos of this model in particular before I form an opinion. That being said, it does appear a tad "busy".

The flyer in particular does evoke the piranna design aesthetic, which I am not generally a fan of.
Assuming the rules make it worth picking up however I can see all manner of alteration and conversion possibilities .

Ultimately I must echo the sentiment of many other posters in this thread.
Judging from these photos alone it does seem like the only clear cut winner of this batch consists of cheaper pathfinders.

Kinda sad really.

Come on, it's a waaay better release than what WoC and CSM got.

The way people on rumour sites are reacting, you'd think the old Tau book was entitled "Codex: Broadsides." Just because their railguns were nerfed doesn't mean we should act as if that's the whole army ruined. I don't think Broadsides are useless now anyway, but I won't deny that their role is changed. It sounds like they're better against flyers and light vehicles now rather than just being tank killers. All I'm saying is, wait to see the book.

I only really have two problems with this new stuff: the eye-watering prices on the Riptide and Broadside and the fact I don't like the design of the flyer (if Tau vehicles are named after fish, that one's definitely a flounder ).

It seems like to me that GW no longer understand or cares about how things were before they update armies.

Flyers that don't fit in at all with the previous Tau flyers.

The XV88 is now bigger and heavier than the XV9, when it is meant to be the other way around.

A giant crisis suit that doesn't fit in at all with the Tau, in terms of both fluff and design

The fact that neither of those flyers has 3 tl railguns and av 13/13/10 breaks it for me.

IG will still beat tau at everything, including ally selection.



P.S.: I'm joking, the hyperbole and feeling of entitlement of some people is amazing! Personally I'll wait until I have seen the codex and models in person - although I do wonder how that Riptide suit is supposed to fit into a manta? :(

Neko over at Waseer wrote:I'm glad someone's posted those - I feel I can speak a little more freely now

Looking at the double spread:
- The flyer on the left is a gunship. The chin-mounted burst cannon you can see, but the main weapon is actually mounted on the underside of the tail, and is some sort of turreted array of ion weapons. My first thought is that this should make the flyer easier to use, as you don't need to be pointing at the target. It also has 2 pop-up seeker missiles.
- The flyer on the right is the bomber. It doesn't actually carry any bombs, but instead has a generator for forming bombs out of plasma as they're needed. It also has a detachable drone fighter in each wing for defense.
- Below the bomber, you should be able to make out a lot of white missile tips. These all belong to a Broadside model. The uppermost bundle of missiles is a shoulder-mounted pod, whilst a bit lower you can see 2 more bundles of missiles in arm mounted pods. Also, to the right of the shoulder pod you may be able to make out a seeker missile pointing straight up - this is the suit mounted seeker I mentioned.
- To the right of that you have the XV104 Riptide. You should be able to make out an ion cannon of some sort on its right arm, and a shield on its left.

2nd Attachment:
- Here we can see the box art for the XV104, this time armed with some sort of uber-burst cannon. On this shot you might be able to make out the twin support weapons mounted under the main gun. It also comes with 2 shielded missile drones.
- And another picture of the bomber.

3rd Attachment:
- Pathfinders. You can't really make out the new experimental weapons I'm afraid, but you can certainly see that one of the drones is beefier than the rest. If I understand right, this drone can sit in place of the cupola on the devilfish, and grant some sort of C3 bonuses.
- Broadside suit. In this shot you can see it built with the twin heavy rail rifle (the rifle you can see is actually 2 heavy rail rifles side by side).
- Crisis team. It's just the current suits repacked into boxes of 3.

Another tidbit not shown:
- The XV8 varient is a finecast commander's varient. It looks similar to the XV8 (maybe with longer limbs?), and may well have the same rules, but is posed with the hand units deployed.

Also, isn't the resin commander Neko was talking about is in the page fold of the first pic? This XV8 suit seems weird.

It is! Good eyesight there

What's a "C3 bonus"?

C3 bonuses?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

A giant crisis suit that doesn't fit in at all with the Tau, in terms of both fluff and design

I am confused by this comment. How does a giant crisis suite not fit in with the Tau design when it's A) a crisis suit (only bigger) and B) largely matches the same aesthetics as the other suits? I mean, crisis suits are basically mini gundam suits to begin with, so a bigger version is a natural evolution.

And since we don't know the fluff behind this unit, how do you know it doesn't fit the Tau fluff?

Maybe he meant D3 bonus somehow?

The way some of you are reacting to the models is great though. You must be really hard to please ;-) Or maybe I am just easy to please? No new XV8 suits? Thank christ that I don't have to buy another 12 again!!

As long as we get a good solid rule set that is varied and balanced I for one cannot wait to get my hands on some of the new units.

Riptide looks great - Some folks question why is it just a blown up suit - well guess what, the Tau must enjoy their suit design so much why would they NOT make a "big" version. A four-legged crawler version would be stupid and very un-Tau IMO. Far too slow and clumsy.

Flyers - I'm 50/50 on these. I am sure they will look good in the flesh and c'mon let's face it - better than the box-talon.

I for one am quite looking forward to this.......

On my morning dogwalk Local gw in Canterbury seem on the ball with plenty of tau now in the display cabinet.......

I can see me buying a couple of rip tides........I really like the look of this lot......

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
C3 bonuses?

Seriously?

Command, Control & Communication

faeit 212 wrote:
via an anonymous source from the Faeit 212 inbox
To answer some questions for your readers:
*The suit starts with rail cannons and can upgrade them to the Ion Weapon.

*The profiles you have listed are wrong, but it does indeed have blast and shot options. (from yesterday)

*It does divert power from it's reactor to different systems at the start of each Tau turn, lasting until the next turn and starts with one system active.

*One includes the gun, which is how you change it from shots to a blast.

*For those of you wondering; yes the blast is better than the multi-shots.

*It isn't like submunitions, or dispersed firing. Think of it more like megaman's buster. It gets powers up and fires a big shot instead of rapidly firing smaller shots (granted it's from a big gun).

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
C3 bonuses?

Command, Control, and Communications, aka C3. Probably will provide effects similar to the markerlights, or something like that. C3 usually involves things like data links and radio communications to coordinate a fighting force, so it seems to me that the Tau are being heavily influenced by the current cutting-edge technology used by modern militaries; expect to see net-centric warfare type stuff and heavy reliance on drones.

The "Sun Shark" looks awful. It seriously looks like they melded the hull of a Devilfish with an Imperial Navy "Avenger", added the support struts from a Valkyrie and called it a day.

The "Riptide" is just bad.
The lack of new Crisis Suits is bad and should feel bad.

But hey, the plastic Pathfinders and Broadsides look nice!

 TBD wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:
Whenn you say 'typical release', you mean:

Step 1 - rumours. My army is broken. Waaaah
Step 2 - leaked pics. They look awful. Waaaah
Step 3 - proper pics. Not as bad as I first thought. Meh
Step 4 - release. These are pretty good after all. Yay

Yes, I've noticed this 'typical' trend

No, I know perfectly well what I mean and that is not it.

GW's typical release for quite a while:

Step 1: don't resculpt any old fugly miniatures that people really really want resculpted.
Step 2: push the latest flavour of flashy looking big/monstrous mini upon us.
Step 3: push the latest flavour of flyer upon us.
Step 4: make stuff look even more ott blinged out/cartoony/action figure than last release.
Step 5: all of the above at pulled-out-of-corporate-butt increased pricing that no way is worth the product in the box.

But the scary part is its working for the most part. How many people went out and bought that ugly looking throe of khorne? Just my point. Maybe we stop buy the ugly models even though they might be the best rules wise for GW to take a hint and learn.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

A giant crisis suit that doesn't fit in at all with the Tau, in terms of both fluff and design

I am confused by this comment. How does a giant crisis suite not fit in with the Tau design when it's A) a crisis suit (only bigger) and B) largely matches the same aesthetics as the other suits? I mean, crisis suits are basically mini gundam suits to begin with, so a bigger version is a natural evolution.

And since we don't know the fluff behind this unit, how do you know it doesn't fit the Tau fluff?

Tau are all about rapid response/redeployment. They are a mobile force that relies heavily on air support, more akin to modern military tactics than the WWII ones used by Imperial Guard. When they were first introduced not making use of titans was part of their design, instead of big robots they only made use of man sized ones, not because they couldn't make them but because they didn't want to. Unless that big thing is a form of jump infantry just as fast as a crisis suit then they would seem to have completely ignored their original concept for the army simply because every release needs something big these days. If it can keep up then it still doesn't fit since they have never had bigger mechs but at least it doesn't entirely crap all over the fluff.

From 22nd November last year:

75hastings69 wrote:Anybody who might be interested in what tau models (or at least one of them) you can really expect next year might want to type "Fil Dunn tau" into a google image search

E.g. this one:


BTW Warseer already deleted the new pics.

And if the riptide had looked like fil Dunns version I would have bought it in a heartbeat, sadly it was not to be.

It looks exactly as I pictured it; nothing radical nor game changing.

Unlike the updates to Dark Eldar which desperately needed new resculpts, Tau really don't need it. Their niche model design and concept remain the same so unless we're talking allies, there is nothing that they really needed to change.

 Kroothawk wrote:

BTW Warseer already deleted the new pics.

Good old Warseer.

During one of the rumor posted the Riptide is Jump Infantry. Which pretty much gives it Crisis suit level of movement minus 1". (since 2d6 averages 7" for the most part)

Crisis Suit - 6" + shooting phase + 2D6 assault move.
Riptide. 12" movement + Shooting phase + no assault move.

Unless you want to get into assault in which case the Riptide can actually assault further. I don't think that there is any reason to think of it as the slow and pondering robot.

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Broadsides, Path Finders and the Uber suit (bigger better pictures than the ones I've seen). Bit annoyed at the crisis suits not getting re-done. At least there is still FW. I'm thinking the new Broadside will offer some nice variation for making all plastic crisis suits that are a bit more dynamic.

I think this release is looking more promising that the Daemons one, at least. /damningwithfaintpraise.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
And if the riptide had looked like fil Dunns version I would have bought it in a heartbeat, sadly it was not to be.

I thought you didn't like Tau Mike?


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 Jayden63 wrote:
During one of the rumor posted the Riptide is Jump Infantry. Which pretty much gives it Crisis suit level of movement minus 1". (since 2d6 averages 7" for the most part)

Crisis Suit - 6" + shooting phase + 2D6 assault move.
Riptide. 12" movement + Shooting phase + no assault move.

Unless you want to get into assault in which case the Riptide can actually assault further. I don't think that there is any reason to think of it as the slow and pondering robot.

Well, the good thing about Suits was that you can jump out of cover, shoot and then jump back behind the cover, this means that Suits are actually more maneuverable than the Riptide and whilst the Riptide may be too big to hide it behind cover, Tau are all about being able to move swiftly to stop the enemy from Assaulting by keeping them at Arm's length, it doesn't seem like this would be as effective at doing it.

 Tuska wrote:


Well, the good thing about Suits was that you can jump out of cover, shoot and then jump back behind the cover, this means that Suits are actually more maneuverable than the Riptide and whilst the Riptide may be too big to hide it behind cover, Tau are all about being able to move swiftly to stop the enemy from Assaulting by keeping them at Arm's length, it doesn't seem like this would be as effective at doing it.

No but the riptide allows for mobile cover for those other suits, and supposedly is resilient enough to do it.

Think of the anime big bad robot surrounded by his minion robots in the final battles of their respective shows.

 Tuska wrote:

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 Jayden63 wrote:
During one of the rumor posted the Riptide is Jump Infantry. Which pretty much gives it Crisis suit level of movement minus 1". (since 2d6 averages 7" for the most part)

Crisis Suit - 6" + shooting phase + 2D6 assault move.
Riptide. 12" movement + Shooting phase + no assault move.

Unless you want to get into assault in which case the Riptide can actually assault further. I don't think that there is any reason to think of it as the slow and pondering robot.

Well, the good thing about Suits was that you can jump out of cover, shoot and then jump back behind the cover, this means that Suits are actually more maneuverable than the Riptide and whilst the Riptide may be too big to hide it behind cover, Tau are all about being able to move swiftly to stop the enemy from Assaulting by keeping them at Arm's length, it doesn't seem like this would be as effective at doing it.

Yeah, but once you go that big, you know your getting shot. So hopefully the Riptides stats show to that. T6/7 with 4-5 wounds with 2+ save. Something designed to take hits and keep going. It may not need JSJ because this suit is meant to be seen. Unlike this guy...

I finally realized why that flyer looks so familiar. It reminds me of 60s puppet show sci-fi designs, like Stingray.

So, after seeing the other pictures with the prices..



Scratchbuilding it is!
But the rules and weapons seem to be fun from what we've heard so far.

Lincoln, SAVE Us
'You can please some of the people some of the time all of the people some of the time some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”

 jonolikespie wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

A giant crisis suit that doesn't fit in at all with the Tau, in terms of both fluff and design

I am confused by this comment. How does a giant crisis suite not fit in with the Tau design when it's A) a crisis suit (only bigger) and B) largely matches the same aesthetics as the other suits? I mean, crisis suits are basically mini gundam suits to begin with, so a bigger version is a natural evolution.

And since we don't know the fluff behind this unit, how do you know it doesn't fit the Tau fluff?

Tau are all about rapid response/redeployment. They are a mobile force that relies heavily on air support, more akin to modern military tactics than the WWII ones used by Imperial Guard. When they were first introduced not making use of titans was part of their design, instead of big robots they only made use of man sized ones, not because they couldn't make them but because they didn't want to. Unless that big thing is a form of jump infantry just as fast as a crisis suit then they would seem to have completely ignored their original concept for the army simply because every release needs something big these days. If it can keep up then it still doesn't fit since they have never had bigger mechs but at least it doesn't entirely crap all over the fluff.

Supposedly it will be jump infantry, but that's kinda stupid. Tau aren't Eldar, they're technologically advanced but they can't make giant robots that are just as fast and agile as robots much less than half their size. And I'm fine with that, I like the idea of Eldar being the only ones with titans that can run circles and dance around the other race's war machines.

I can see the riptide moving more like a heavy battlemech. It might have jump jets, but it's only going to be capable of ascending in a straight line very slowly, it's not going to be doing the same kind of acrobatic crap that the smaller crisis suits will be with JSJ. Imagining this thing moving with the same speed and agility as a crisis suit...it just sounds stupid.

GW saves money by making cheap lazy copy-paste designs, customers save money by not buying crap.
Win-Win situation ... sort of.
If "glad I don't have to buy 15 new Crisis Suits" is the best positive feedback, someone at GW should start thinking.

Also:

an anonymous source from Faeit 212 wrote:To answer some questions for your readers:
*The suit starts with rail cannons and can upgrade them to the Ion Weapon.

*The profiles you have listed are wrong, but it does indeed have blast and shot options. (from yesterday)

*It does divert power from it's reactor to different systems at the start of each Tau turn, lasting until the next turn and starts with one system active.

*One includes the gun, which is how you change it from shots to a blast.

*For those of you wondering; yes the blast is better than the multi-shots.

*It isn't like submunitions, or dispersed firing. Think of it more like megaman's buster. It gets powers up and fires a big shot instead of rapidly firing smaller shots (granted it's from a big gun).

No plastic Orca?

How about this.
I like the current Crisis suits and i glad they are staying around.
They arent bad IMO.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How about this.
I like the current Crisis suits and i glad they are staying around.
They arent bad IMO.

I'm glad, because you'll need the money for the two riptides and either six of the new broadsides or flyers, whichever one ends up being the new staple.

Dude, Why do you have to kill everyones Buzz? We like the models, you dont. Just let it go. If you dont want them dont get it.

 Sidstyler wrote:


I can see the riptide moving more like a heavy battlemech. It might have jump jets, but it's only going to be capable of ascending in a straight line very slowly, it's not going to be doing the same kind of acrobatic crap that the smaller crisis suits will be with JSJ. Imagining this thing moving with the same speed and agility as a crisis suit...it just sounds stupid.

I acutally see it as quite the opposite. Rather than stomping around, or the jerky up/down of impact thrusters I see the jets as having enough push to lift the thing a meter or so off the ground and then it glides rather gracefully over the terrain in short bursts and hops. Thus keeping with the hopping ascetics of the crisis suits and not the plodding of imperial titans or the staggering full motion agility or Eldar stuff.

Can we infer from the Tau release that the new plastic Avatar will be the size of a Trygon, unnecessarily busy but can be assembled into the Flying Dark Avatar of Darkness for Dark Eldar?

I'm only half joking....

Dont, We do not want the Avatar to pull A Karl Franz.

Like the Riptide, and the Broadsides look very nice from what I can tell.

Disappointed that there are no new Crisis suits, partially because of the clunky design, but mostly because of their flimsy ankles. I can't even count how many suits I have with snapped ankles.

Actually, we don't even need new Crisis suits, they could just add FW Hazard suits to the Codex...

My only disappointment is that presumably the crisis suits will still have the annoyingly caved-in head, annoying two-piece jet pack and odd scar along the missile pod faults they've always had.

I like the crisis suit models, just not the kit.

Riptide looks fun, flyers look nice, can't really see the broadside, but I'm sure it beats the old railguns at 45 degrees bodge job of a kit

What's stopping new suits from being a wave two release?

Well, how fortunate. GW successfully prevented me from getting into their hhhobby yet again. They're quickly turning into the company I can count on to snatch failure from the jaws of victory every time.

Riptide- Doesn't appear to be a terrible execution, but the initial design doesn't excite. At least it doesn't excite enough to get past the fact that it conceptually defies everything the Tau have been about for the last two iterations and is a thoroughly unnecessary addition to the game.

Sunshark/Razorshark - Competent execution, but there's not much to execute. Instead of borrowing inspiration from the existing Tau fliers which follow a well-designed aesthetic, we get this rubbish. I think the thing that bothers me most are the wings. Nothing else in the Tau army has wings like that. No thanks.

Pathfinders- Picture is too small, I'll reserve judgement until I see something better. But Pathfinders alone will not be enough to save this embarrassing release.

Broadside- And here we see an utter, complete failure. A breaking of the cardinal rule of visual design. Look back at all of the iconic visual designs from science fiction- x-wings, Imperial stormtroopers, gundams, the starship Enterprise, hell, even the original GW space marine, etc; all of them are instantly recognizable. You can see what they're about at a glance. You can recognize them just by their silhouette. Now look at that Broadside suit. Yes, it's a small picture. But for a competently designed model I should be able to tell what it's about even at that size. But I can't. I can tell it has two legs. I can see a giant lump on top of those legs. On one pic there's a gun sticking out of the lump. On another there are a bunch of missiles. Who knows what they're attached to. Fail.

Crisis Suits - The only failure worse than a bad design is failing to rectify a prior bad design when given the chance.

Sorry, GW, you are 0/5 this round.

I love the new models tbh, but I think people miss the point when it comes to buying "the new shineys"...

The new direction since the hardback cover books are to make everything balanced and every units Viable, something I find that works quite well when coming to 6th Edition, however it does slightly annoy me when people start saying "Buy the new shiny/Flyers to win" or the good 'ol "Spam Unit X" because you don't really need to. the Units you have get a slight boost or a slight Nerf, now when these get a slight Nerf we shouldn't be complaining too much because The boost to that unit you already have will most likely outway the Nerf in terms of when it comes to actually play the game. I play CSM and while most people complain about the codex I welcome it with open arms because while some units lost some things such as CSM lost Bolt pistols and CCW we did get Veterans of the Long war, and that suits me fine we also got Cultists and quite a few units got cheaper for us as well which also suits me just fine.

I think the competitive environment needs to adjust from "Spam unit X" to "find the list that works for you" because your list should be personal not a C+P job from the Internet, and I feel that is a good move from GW at least, because it means that you always gonna fight a list that's different in every game, instead of seeing the same list 3 times over in a tourney and the only thing that is different is the player but it plays out the same every game.

Note: I'm not a GW "White knight" as I can imagine people having a go at my Opinion, I do not agree with the Price hikes and how they treat the gamers that play their game, I just think some people are too stuck in the mindset of "Spam everything", that worked in 5th, this is 6th now, adjusting to the edition is required (unless of course you playing one of the ward Dex's which are the only downside to this edition and can't really be helped but on a positive note they will be getting the same treatment eventually).

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
What's stopping new suits from being a wave two release?

Post-codex waves don't seem to be a thing anymore. I think the Necron flyer was the last.

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
What's stopping new suits from being a wave two release?

A basic system of ethics that says you don't sell players an inferior product and then turn around and sell them a superior product a few months down the line?

Wait, sorry, forgot which company I was talking about.

I am honestly wondering if the Broadsides have become vehicles, almost like dreads if you will. If that is the case always move and shoot with railgun and missles. With it being on Dread base, seems to me the way they might have gone with it.

Of course time will tell.

 JOHIRA wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
What's stopping new suits from being a wave two release?

A basic system of ethics that says you don't sell players an inferior product and then turn around and sell them a superior product a few months down the line?

Wait, sorry, forgot which company I was talking about.

You sir, are full of win!

People on here must have some bionic eyes to be able to make these kind of judgements over a bunch of overly glossy, small pics....

Another new release, another overreaction.

Hmm, all this panicing about crap pictures. We need to wait until we see the proper white dwarf pics. Only then we will see what they look like. i mean everyone is panicing like with the burning chariot and the plague flies, and they are fantastic models, and if I remember correctly, when the pics were first shown, everyone hated them, not me though, I like anything that GW releases, I just don't buy it.

For convenience, I updoaded and enlarged the pics:

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
everyone is panicing like with the burning chariot and the plague flies, and they are fantastic models, and if I remember correctly, when the pics were first shown, everyone hated them,

Guilty as charged, I hated those based on the leaks, but when the 3D rotations went up, I pre-ordered both immediately.


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 Kroothawk wrote:
For convenience, I updoaded and enlarged the pics:

But can you enhance them?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
What's stopping new suits from being a wave two release?

Post-codex waves don't seem to be a thing anymore. I think the Necron flyer was the last.

I'm not sure if it was the current GW vs CH case or if it was part of an earlier thing but at some point someone ruled that GW can't copyright models they intend to make. Since then there haven't been release missing models for fear of CH (and others like them) beating them to it and then GW being the ones accused of ripping off the other companies.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


But can you enhance them?

Sure. Here's an enhanced pic of the Tau flyer:



It's true, it looks so much better now!

Interesting, that looks like a barracuda.
But it also is good they they release models in the codex now.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Interesting, that looks like a barracuda. .

Because it is Barracuda. Best way to enhance new flyer is to replace it with some other flyer.

Are kroot confirmed as still being a troop option by any chance? Haven't seen any kroot love yet

Lovepug13 wrote:
Haven't seen any kroot love yet

This is a family friendly forum, so you won't see it here.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Lovepug13 wrote:
Haven't seen any kroot love yet

This is a family friendly forum, so you won't see it here.

Lol

Holy crap, a release I'm actually excited for!

I will be re-starting my Tau army. I have a ton of bits and unbuilt models, so all I gotta do is grab some of the new stuff and I'm set.

Anyone know the deal with the Broadside yet? is it going to stay with the s10 ap1 railgun or is it going the route of the s8 ap1 skyfire? just wondering because of the first pic with the Riptide cause there is a Broadside behind it (you can see the SMS) and it has a seeker missle on its shoulder instead of the rail gun.

... I am deeply disturbed by that image, yet oddly intrigued....

And im totally digging these new minis. Not the prices mind you, but the minis...

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Hmm, all this panicing about crap pictures. We need to wait until we see the proper white dwarf pics. Only then we will see what they look like. i mean everyone is panicing like with the burning chariot and the plague flies, and they are fantastic models, and if I remember correctly, when the pics were first shown, everyone hated them, not me though, I like anything that GW releases, I just don't buy it.

I love this. Because you like the models you can't possibly fathom that people are complaining because they don't like them. It's as if you're stating it as a fact, "The models are amazing, period.", and everyone who disgrees is just ignorant or making premature judgments based on bad pics.

We had pretty good pics for the plague drones and the other Daemons models, and I thought they were ugly. When the pics hit the website and I had HD pics and 360* rotations, I still thought they were ugly. So, what, am I just wrong, then, if I'm not "overreacting" to blurry pics and still hate them post-release?

 JOHIRA wrote:


Sunshark/Razorshark - Competent execution, but there's not much to execute. Instead of borrowing inspiration from the existing Tau fliers which follow a well-designed aesthetic, we get this rubbish. I think the thing that bothers me most are the wings. Nothing else in the Tau army has wings like that. No thanks.

Sorry mate, but the manta disagrees. Actually if you flip the wings around they look very much like the mantas wings


Edit: Oh, suffice to say I'll try and use my beloved Barracuda as a stand in. It does indeed look nicer.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

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 Kroothawk wrote:
For convenience, I updoaded and enlarged the pics:

But can you enhance them?

Tau Flyer:

Oh look, another over reaction based on crappy leaked pics. Oh wait, I forgot which forum we are talking about.

I think everything looks fine.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Oh look, another over reaction based on crappy leaked pics. Oh wait, I forgot which forum we are talking about.

I think everything looks fine.

I don't.

And I think you need to stop dismissing my opinion as merely an "overreaction" just because I fething disagree with you.

 taudau wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:


Sunshark/Razorshark - Competent execution, but there's not much to execute. Instead of borrowing inspiration from the existing Tau fliers which follow a well-designed aesthetic, we get this rubbish. I think the thing that bothers me most are the wings. Nothing else in the Tau army has wings like that. No thanks.

Sorry mate, but the manta disagrees. Actually if you flip the wings around they look very much like the mantas wings

Please read my post. I did not say "nothing has wings". I said, "nothing has wings like that."

Existing Tau aircraft almost have a flying wing design, or a modified delta wing configuration. The wings are swept toward the back of the vehicle, and this makes Tau aircraft resemble modern-day stealth bombers and other cutting-edge technologies.

The sunshark/razorshark has forward-positioned, essentially straight wings that look like nothing that currently exists in the Tau army. The effect is to call to mind less of a cutting edge stealth weapon designed to work with combined arms, but a middle-of-the-last-century fighter craft.

 JOHIRA wrote:

 taudau wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:


Sunshark/Razorshark - Competent execution, but there's not much to execute. Instead of borrowing inspiration from the existing Tau fliers which follow a well-designed aesthetic, we get this rubbish. I think the thing that bothers me most are the wings. Nothing else in the Tau army has wings like that. No thanks.

Sorry mate, but the manta disagrees. Actually if you flip the wings around they look very much like the mantas wings

Please read my post. I did not say "nothing has wings". I said, "nothing has wings like that."

Existing Tau aircraft almost have a flying wing design, or a modified delta wing configuration. The wings are swept toward the back of the vehicle, and this makes Tau aircraft resemble modern-day stealth bombers and other cutting-edge technologies.

The sunshark/razorshark has forward-positioned, essentially straight wings that look like nothing that currently exists in the Tau army. The effect is to call to mind less of a cutting edge stealth weapon designed to work with combined arms, but a middle-of-the-last-century fighter craft.

Not all modern aircraft have sweeping back wings. Some, like the above Reaper drone, have wings that are straight out. The drone aesthetic could have been what the designers were going for.

 Happygrunt wrote:

Not all modern aircraft have sweeping back wings. Some, like the above Reaper drone, have wings that are straight out. The drone aesthetic could have been what the designers were going for.

Even if that is exactly what they were going for it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't fit with the rest of the tau line at all, which seems to be a pretty big problem with releases these days, I'd have loved for basic chaos marines to get updated so they fit in with the raptors and DV chosen, instead we got dinobots for no reason.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Oh look, another over reaction based on crappy leaked pics. Oh wait, I forgot which forum we are talking about.

I think everything looks fine.

I don't.

And I think you need to stop dismissing my opinion as merely an "overreaction" just because I fething disagree with you.

I don't think I will, until clear pictures come out. Until then, people whining about fuzzy, low res pictures is over reaction. If you want to bash them once we get a real look at the models, more power to you. Until then any opinion, even ones throwing heaps of praise are uninformed.

Awesome the new battleforce looks great (pricey), might pick up one of those and a riptide just to covert/model-up. I just thought of a great way to make the riptide look better, just add thicker legs and back stabilizers for "Hunkering Down" into firing mode and you've got a winner, pretty simple conversion too.

Example pic of my idea, Z.O.E Earth Lev:


But I'm getting ahead of myself again, need to stay focused and finish my eldar harliquin army first, tau are next.

 Snrub wrote:

 Superscope wrote:
I'm expecting the XV104 to be Australian Land Raider prices (ie, 119+ dollars)

No don't say that. People say things like that then they come true.

Land raider price is crappy price

When the plague drones showed up last month I made a joke they were taking Crisis Suits down to rebundle them as a pack of 3 for $75.

And now that joke is true...

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

Not all modern aircraft have sweeping back wings. Some, like the above Reaper drone, have wings that are straight out. The drone aesthetic could have been what the designers were going for.

Even if that is exactly what they were going for it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't fit with the rest of the tau line at all, which seems to be a pretty big problem with releases these days, I'd have loved for basic chaos marines to get updated so they fit in with the raptors and DV chosen, instead we got dinobots for no reason.

It looks a lot like the Piranha and Devilfish to me...

I agree, it looks a lot like an up-scaled version of a Piranha with a Devilfish cockpit. The rails are the only thing that looks out of place to me.

 Kingsley wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

Not all modern aircraft have sweeping back wings. Some, like the above Reaper drone, have wings that are straight out. The drone aesthetic could have been what the designers were going for.

Even if that is exactly what they were going for it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't fit with the rest of the tau line at all, which seems to be a pretty big problem with releases these days, I'd have loved for basic chaos marines to get updated so they fit in with the raptors and DV chosen, instead we got dinobots for no reason.

It looks a lot like the Piranha and Devilfish to me...

That's the same impression I got as well.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Oh look, another over reaction based on crappy leaked pics. Oh wait, I forgot which forum we are talking about.

I think everything looks fine.

I don't.

And I think you need to stop dismissing my opinion as merely an "overreaction" just because I fething disagree with you.

I don't think I will, until clear pictures come out. Until then, people whining about fuzzy, low res pictures is over reaction. If you want to bash them once we get a real look at the models, more power to you. Until then any opinion, even ones throwing heaps of praise are uninformed.

So in other words we should just lock the topic until they go up for advanced order and not have any kind of discussion? Because I don't see what the feth else there is to talk about if we can't talk about the pics and rumors we have so far.

I'm hoping for some Kroot love somewhere, but the Tau stuff looks solid, none of it really looks out of place with the current models, which is the first release that's been that way for a while? A little uninspired in places, but pretty averagedly solid.

Waiting for sprue pics, maybe I'll finally get around to casting up some Heavy Gear style legs for suit conversions.

 Earthbeard wrote:
but the Tau stuff looks solid, none of it really looks out of place with the current models

Except all of it, but yeah, otherwise all solid.

Well, not literally all, the plastic pathfinders might be nice.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Earthbeard wrote:
but the Tau stuff looks solid, none of it really looks out of place with the current models

Except all of it, but yeah, otherwise all solid.

Well, not literally all, the plastic pathfinders might be nice.

While I dislike the looks of most of the stuff and find the lack of new Crisis Suits lacking in logic...saying that it "looks out of place" is a bit silly.

You do know that that drone is not built to survive a direct attack and was never even designed with direct enemy combat in mind, right?

The Tau aircraft in question are designed to go toe to toe with the enemy. Designing something like that drone, even just the wing structure, for air to air combat or maneuver would be a horrible idea.


Edit: When I get my Tau flyers, I will probably convert them to look less silly. Depending on their size, I might just get something from FW.

 Kwosge wrote:
You do know that that drone is not built to survive a direct attack and was never even designed with direct enemy combat in mind, right?

The Tau aircraft in question are designed to go toe to toe with the enemy. Designing something like that drone, even just the wing structure, would be a horrible idea.

"Gunships" and "Bombers" are not designed to go toe to toe with the enemy.

If they were "Fighters" or "Interceptors", you would have a point.

Gunships are actually designed to be exposed to enemy fire.

And I hope the Riptide turns out to be a flying monstrous creature just to screw with people.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
everyone is panicing like with the burning chariot and the plague flies, and they are fantastic models, and if I remember correctly, when the pics were first shown, everyone hated them,

Guilty as charged, I hated those based on the leaks, but when the 3D rotations went up, I pre-ordered both immediately.


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 Kroothawk wrote:
For convenience, I updoaded and enlarged the pics:

But can you enhance them?

If I recall, the hate directed at the Plague Flies was mostly since Heavy Metal had built the display set using an optional unit upgrade that gave them a Snuffleupagus trunk.

I would actually be all over the Sun Shark if there was a Crisis Suit transport option. The ability to build it so Crisis Suits and Broadsides could fit underneath would be amazing.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Earthbeard wrote:
but the Tau stuff looks solid, none of it really looks out of place with the current models

Except all of it, but yeah, otherwise all solid.

Well, not literally all, the plastic pathfinders might be nice.

Sure it's added on some new flairs But it's not as jarring as the CSM releases or the Dreadknight etc, I think the aesthetics are close enough to the current range, purely my opinion of course.

I'd like better shots of the pathfinders, as the prices for the new suits/flayers just leave me cold inside, so are likely never to get purchased short of maybe the broadside? dependent on better pics.

Actually, gun ships and bombers ARE designed to go up against enemy fighters. Are they designed to win? No, but they are designed to survive or live long enough for friendly support to arrive.

That drone is not designed with that in mind. It is designed to die in an enemy attack. And die within the first couple seconds.

Is there any news on Kroot or Vespid units?

^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^****

There was some talk of updates to the Auxiliaries, but that talk seemed to evaporate with this leak.

Seems like it will either be a section in the Tau Codex dedicated to Auxilliaries or they will appear in a new Lesser Factions/Allies Expansion.

 Earthbeard wrote:
But it's not as jarring as the CSM releases or the Dreadknight etc

I think the Riptide makes the Dreadknight look fantastic; same for the Tau flyer and the Stormraven.

Considering all the work I have put in to modify those kits because they look so bad I never thought I would hold their stock appearances in higher regards than another kit, let alone one from an army with such a well focused motif as Tau.

Whelp guess I will be converting that flyer to look more like a Predator Drone and custom build a flyer for the gunship.

It appears that the Riptide has those animal hind legs that everyone was hoping for... Unless the pictures deceive.
And on the double page picture you can see the tip of the Broadside double railgun sticking out of the flash. I guess that gun will be a big square block. I just wonder how posable the model will be.
Looks like it shouldn't be hard to convert a flyer out of a Piranha, so that could be pretty cheap. Personally, I don't think flyers are needed. (I, for one, will put more points into scoring units) You just need to be able to shoot them down, and it looks like Tau will be good at that.
Looks like XV9s remain the most attractive suits. I think I'll get some. My Sept has a SC in a Hazard Suit after all.

Personally, I believe that any crappy looking model can be made extraordinary with the right paint job. Even conversion doesn't need to exceed minimal.

I've already worked hard on converting my own Pathfinders. Looks like I'll have to make adjustments for new options. Could be a fun process.

I'm just glad I won't have to
1) Replace Crisis Suits. I did some minor pose conversions and bulked up the lower legs a bit and I'm proud of my work.
2) Replace Firewarriors. I love the current sculpts. They are some of the most posable and easily convertible infantry. Not to mention detailed.
3) Replace any vehicles. I've got a good thing going with my vehicles, which I'll soon reveal on my blog. (see my sig)

Now to finish painting my Hammerhead...

Given the remarks from a supposed playtester on 4chan, my guess is that the Sharks are supposed to fulfill the same role as an A-10 Warthog.

In that case the broad flat look is understandable.

(He also said that it goes to the other extreme from the Nephilim, and is ridiculously overpowered.)

I would live to see kroot as a mercenary/allied detachment army that could be used with multiple armies.

RogueRegault wrote:
Given the remarks from a supposed playtester on 4chan, my guess is that the Sharks are supposed to fulfill the same role as an A-10 Warthog.

In that case the broad flat look is understandable.

(He also said that it goes to the other extreme from the Nephilim, and is ridiculously overpowered.)

Hmmmmm 4chan...... I'll wait for my codex to believe anything rules wise.

 SonicPara wrote:

I think the Riptide makes the Dreadknight look fantastic;

That... that can't be a rational opinion. How can an upscaled Crisis look worse than that ridiculous baby carrier?

GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

And?

People have been pestering Forge World for something similar for ages. If anything, I'm surprised Games Workshop did it simply on that merit alone.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

Where the Hell have you been? Tau have always looked like anime/gundam dude

I think several posters are starting to don their troll hats. Lets not try to feed them shall we.

Its ok to dislike a model, it ok to even dislike the entire range of models, and its even ok to state as much. But to constantly harp on it every 10th post is entering troll territory.

I can easily see how the new flyers mold into the Tau design scheme. If you line it up with all the other flyers and take a kid who has never seen any GW stuff before and now show him a model of the Hammerhead and ask him to pick out the flyer that goes with the same faction as the Hammerhead, I serious doubt they will choose anything but the Sun Shark.

As such, it totally fits the Tau aesthetics. Just like the forgeworld Orca. People may say its little more than a flying shoe box. But no one can say it isn't a Tau flying shoe box.

It is a shame they didn't make the riptide as good as that kitbashed megasuit. Still, it's hardly a clusterfeth and certainly not as bogglingly ridiculous as the dreadknight.

Taking out the wonky bits between wings makes the flyer look better IMO.

 Archonate wrote:
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Personally, I believe that any crappy looking model can be made extraordinary with the right paint job. Even conversion doesn't need to exceed minimal.

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Exception that proves the rule?

Oh, and Nagash... I've got to say, as a non-Tau player all the models look pretty much fine to me.

You know when the Daemon leaked pics cropped up and nearly everyone hated them?

I was one of them and many of you were too.

It was piss poor photography that let the models down. A week to 2 weeks later, a lot more people liked them.

Same thing to a point is happening here, except the original pics are quite good.

I like the aesthetic of the Tau, always have done. I must admit that I want to see a better pic of the XV88, but other than that, I like the new releases.

The XV104 is exactly how I thought it should look. The new fighters compliment the Barracuda as aircraft with a possible new purpose.

Nope, I'll not be looking further than Tau for the near future.

Puscifer wrote:
You know when the Daemon leaked pics cropped up and nearly everyone hated them?

I was one of them and many of you were too.

It was piss poor photography that let the models down. A week to 2 weeks later, a lot more people liked them.

Same thing to a point is happening here, except the original pics are quite good.

I like the aesthetic of the Tau, always have done. I must admit that I want to see a better pic of the XV88, but other than that, I like the new releases.

The XV104 is exactly how I thought it should look. The new fighters compliment the Barracuda as aircraft with a possible new purpose.

Nope, I'll not be looking further than Tau for the near future.

From my experience, EVERY SINGLE TIME new model pics get leaked here people bash them like they are the ugliest thing GW has produced.

Every. Single. Time. No exceptions.

And then once the models are the bashers are some of the first people to buy them

Well, I just verified that the XV8s did not drop in price. Haven't most new multi-model boxes dropped in price?

Of course this is a plastic to plastic thing unlike ****cast to plastic boxes before.

The pictures are just too bad to judge the smaller models, but the flyer and the big suit are not exciting me one bit.

Seriously, we go from the Barracuda, to that?! WTF???

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

Oh how I wish your Gundam comparison was even more accurate.



I would take even an exercise in OTT design like the admittedly awesome Seravee over the Riptide any day.

What is the releas date of the WD, Friday?

For what its worth I have been waiting so long for this that anything is better than nothing. My 14 year old said wow so there goes a chunk of my bank balance. I like the crisis suits and having 15 of them am glad no "remodeled/replacement" suits appeared. Now I just want the new dex with its rules to appear so all the speculation can stop.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
You know when the Daemon leaked pics cropped up and nearly everyone hated them?

I was one of them and many of you were too.

It was piss poor photography that let the models down. A week to 2 weeks later, a lot more people liked them.

Same thing to a point is happening here, except the original pics are quite good.

I like the aesthetic of the Tau, always have done. I must admit that I want to see a better pic of the XV88, but other than that, I like the new releases.

The XV104 is exactly how I thought it should look. The new fighters compliment the Barracuda as aircraft with a possible new purpose.

Nope, I'll not be looking further than Tau for the near future.

From my experience, EVERY SINGLE TIME new model pics get leaked here people bash them like they are the ugliest thing GW has produced.

Every. Single. Time. No exceptions.

And then once the models are the bashers are some of the first people to buy them

It's possible that the entirety of Dakka just has me on "Ignore", but I said before I'm not one of those people. I still don't like them, even after hi-res pics and 360* rotations. Even with the alternate heads the plague drones are a silly idea with the riders. Yeah, you can assemble them without the riders, but I don't think "This model would look better if you customized it/converted it/etc." changes the fact that the stock model isn't very good. Same with the Tau flyer, I'd like to see what some of the more creative types can do with it, but being able to cobble together a cool-looking model out of a bad kit doesn't suddenly make the kit any good, it's still bad.

As always all I've said about the models so far isn't necessarily my final judgment, like others have said I'll wait until I can see hi-res pics or the models in person, but judging purely based on what we have (otherwise there would be no discussion), I'm not a fan, in case my rather strong initial reaction to them didn't make that clear enough (lol). I'm not going to throw my Tau on eBay just yet (or burn them like some apparently are?), but I'm still disappointed. Even if the broadside turns out not to be crap and I actually like it, it's still $50 for one model, which came in units of three. I'd have to spend a bare minimum of $300 just on new broadsides, and that's assuming the riptide isn't an auto-include as well...and since it would be a waste for GW to put out such a large kit and charge $85 for it, it probably will be.

And of course, new crisis suits would have made this all more bearable, but you know...

 Kwosge wrote:
Actually, gun ships and bombers ARE designed to go up against enemy fighters. Are they designed to win? No, but they are designed to survive or live long enough for friendly support to arrive.

That drone is not designed with that in mind. It is designed to die in an enemy attack. And die within the first couple seconds.

Yeah...not exactly. In terms of gunships like the AC-130, they are designed to provide fire support for troops in airspace already cleared of air to air and surface to air threats. They operate under the cover of darkness, and will scram from the airspace at the first sign of any threat. Sure, they have last ditch defensive mechanisms for missiles, but they are hardly survivable in contested airspace.

Bombers are only somewhat survivable, and typically require aircraft in the SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) role and fighters to sweep the airspace prior to an attack. Bombers mostly are slow, ungainly, and typically have zero defensive weapons. They are easy targets in contested airspace unless escorted.

There are only a couple bombers in the world that will go into contested airspace, but as soon as they are bounced by enemy fighters, they are just as screwed as a commercial airliner would be in that situation. Same goes for gunships. They are not designed to survive against enemy fighters, they are designed to either avoid them, or operate with escort or in uncontested airspace. A single missle can bring down everything from the smallest fighters to the largest, most advanced bombers, which is why drones were designed for high risk missions in contested airspace. Know what you're talking about before you spout off nonsense.

On topic...still no sign of the Kroot, eh? Really do wonder if the bird men will make an appearance in this new Codex...same goes with the Vespid. Guess we won't know until more picture leaks or the actual WD release.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
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Snippy snip

It's possible that the entirety of Dakka just has me on "Ignore", but I said before I'm not one of those people. I still don't like them, even after hi-res pics and 360* rotations. Even with the alternate heads the plague drones are a silly idea with the riders. Yeah, you can assemble them without the riders, but I don't think "This model would look better if you customized it/converted it/etc." changes the fact that the stock model isn't very good. Same with the Tau flyer, I'd like to see what some of the more creative types can do with it, but being able to cobble together a cool-looking model out of a bad kit doesn't suddenly make the kit any good, it's still bad.

As always all I've said about the models so far isn't necessarily my final judgment, like others have said I'll wait until I can see hi-res pics or the models in person, but judging purely based on what we have (otherwise there would be no discussion), I'm not a fan, in case my rather strong initial reaction to them didn't make that clear enough (lol). I'm not going to throw my Tau on eBay just yet (or burn them like some apparently are?), but I'm still disappointed. Even if the broadside turns out not to be crap and I actually like it, it's still $50 for one model, which came in units of three. I'd have to spend a bare minimum of $300 just on new broadsides, and that's assuming the riptide isn't an auto-include as well...and since it would be a waste for GW to put out such a large kit and charge $85 for it, it probably will be.

And of course, new crisis suits would have made this all more bearable, but you know...

It's not that Dakka has you on ignore, but at NO POINT in that quote thread did anyone say that all people were of those opinions. They went out of their way to use words like "nearly everyone", "many" and "some". So, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to defend yourself from attacks that aren't happening?

 SonicPara wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

Oh how I wish your Gundam comparison was even more accurate.



I would take even an exercise in OTT design like the admittedly awesome Seravee over the Riptide any day.

You literally could use that instead of a riptide if you wanted. There's nothing stopping you anymore, what with GW getting rid of gaming space in their own stores, not running official tournaments anymore, and pulling prize support from events, there's really no one to enforce GW's "GW-only" rule.

I for one have very little intention to buy the new Tau models simply on grounds of cost.

I shall reserve final judgement until I can see them "in the flesh".

I would have been all over an Orca gunship, but the flyer presented is ho-hum -- could perhaps be converted but I could just use some other model as I shall for the big mecha and the Broadsides.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 SonicPara wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
GW finally did it. They took the Tau and totally failed to make it look like anything but an anime inspired force by sticking a huge Gundam style robot in the middle of it. Nothing creative about that at all.

Oh how I wish your Gundam comparison was even more accurate.



I would take even an exercise in OTT design like the admittedly awesome Seravee over the Riptide any day.

You literally could use that instead of a riptide if you wanted. There's nothing stopping you anymore, what with GW getting rid of gaming space in their own stores, not running official tournaments anymore, and pulling prize support from events, there's really no one to enforce GW's "GW-only" rule.

I'm personally going to run Mode-Lock Armslaves as counts-as Broadsides until I can decide whether I like the new rules enough to bite the bullet on the models. (My Tau army currently uses dual Railheads.)

Mode Lock Gernsback for me. I got 12 of them super cheap on sale from Hobby Link Japan.

I have a 1/72 scale Valkyrie Veritech I can use for a Riptide mecha.

Hmm the new flyer is unique.. I'm thinking Flip the Tail upside down move the wings back to the middle and put the engines on the upper back part of the fuselage and now we have a Bastard child of these to

I'm liking most of it, will be good conversion fodder at the least... really, really disappointed they didn't update the crisis suits though, shame.

I certainly hope there are still wave 2's in the cards for some... no Greater Daemons and nothing for kroot would be sad :(

 Kilkrazy wrote:

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That is one of the best looking models I've seen!

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 Jayden63 wrote:
During one of the rumor posted the Riptide is Jump Infantry. Which pretty much gives it Crisis suit level of movement minus 1". (since 2d6 averages 7" for the most part)

Crisis Suit - 6" + shooting phase + 2D6 assault move.
Riptide. 12" movement + Shooting phase + no assault move.

Unless you want to get into assault in which case the Riptide can actually assault further. I don't think that there is any reason to think of it as the slow and pondering robot.

Well, the good thing about Suits was that you can jump out of cover, shoot and then jump back behind the cover, this means that Suits are actually more maneuverable than the Riptide and whilst the Riptide may be too big to hide it behind cover, Tau are all about being able to move swiftly to stop the enemy from Assaulting by keeping them at Arm's length, it doesn't seem like this would be as effective at doing it.

Yeah, but once you go that big, you know your getting shot. So hopefully the Riptides stats show to that. T6/7 with 4-5 wounds with 2+ save. Something designed to take hits and keep going. It may not need JSJ because this suit is meant to be seen. Unlike this guy...

Wonder if the Riptide will get a special Crying Baby upgrade for Apocalypse and Battlefleet Gothic.

^^^^^shudders^^^^^

If anyone is interested in speculating on the pics themselves rather than what some stranger thinks if the pics, this post is for you!

The Riptide might have hit and run--the fins on its key packs look nearly identical to the vectored jets included with one of the forgeolworld battle suit commanders. That's assuming vectored jets are still in the codex, of course.

TAU Pics

You're a little late to the party, man.

I'd like the flyer a lot more if it didn't have those long bars connecting the wings to the tail (the ones parallel to the main hull) and the missile turret wasn't plonked on top spoiling the shape of the hull. I don't think it'd be too hard to alter those parts with a little work. I'd probably leave the bars off (hopefully any sign of their being left off, if they're separate pieces, or cut away otherwise, could be covered with plasticard) and put missiles under the wings. As for the hole where the launcher would normally go, I would try (depending on its size, obviously) to cover that with something like the top of a drone or maybe even the hatch off a Rhino (a mate gave me a huge bag of several years' worth of Space Marine bits so I am now the owner of loads of Rhino hatches).

I have to say, I'm quite liking the look of these models. DA and Daemons were disappointing, but the new Tau flyers defiantly seem interesting.

Let's hope their codex doesn't fall victim to the random chart disaster. Oh wait, it's cinematic!

Well, GW can't please all of the people all of the time.

It's a bit of a shame that the best use for a £40 model is to be chopped up and converted.

Why oh why is there no Orca model? It's an effing awesome vehicle that fits the aesthetic and the background and could be upgraded into various different versions.

Missed opportunity, GW!!

Puscifer wrote:
Something just clicked...

Most, if not all, battleforces have at least two troops choices.

So...

Which of those Tau Battleforces is the other Troops choice?

Probably expect you to split the FWs into two squads of 6.

Although moving Stealth suits to Troops would make them see more use and explain their rumored stealth nerf.

Remember they were your starting squads in Dawn of War Dark Crusade.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
From my experience, EVERY SINGLE TIME new model pics get leaked here people bash them like they are the ugliest thing GW has produced.
Every. Single. Time. No exceptions.
And then once the models are the bashers are some of the first people to buy them

Where have you been during the Dark Eldar release?
BTW I disliked Storm Raven, Storm talon, WoC, Daemon and most DA models when first shown and still dislike them. Seems some people can form a consistent opinion from low res pics. Was a cheap half year for me.

I will get the Pathfinders and even try to convert a flyer, but will most certainly use a barracuda instead.

The Riptide looks amazing, I'll be buying that and the codex day one. Would like to see the new Broadside up close too.

Any pics of the Codex cover yet?

 erewego86 wrote:
If anyone is interested in speculating on the pics themselves rather than what some stranger thinks if the pics, this post is for you!

The Riptide might have hit and run--the fins on its key packs look nearly identical to the vectored jets included with one of the forgeolworld battle suit commanders. That's assuming vectored jets are still in the codex, of course.

Those big bits on the shoulder pads look like some of the shoulder mounted weapons from Super Robot Wars OG. I wonder if they're missle pods or some kind of ion gun.

 Bewareofthephil wrote:
The Riptide looks amazing, I'll be buying that and the codex day one. Would like to see the new Broadside up close too.

Any pics of the Codex cover yet?

If you look at the flash glare on the rightside of the centerfold covers up most of him. he is Slightly larger than crisis suits. Sort of looks like this but with 2 shorter railguns side by side and bulker body

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Why oh why is there no Orca model? It's an effing awesome vehicle that fits the aesthetic and the background and could be upgraded into various different versions.

Because it's a superheavy vehicle and the model is way too big for normal 40k.

RogueRegault wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Something just clicked...

Most, if not all, battleforces have at least two troops choices.

So...

Which of those Tau Battleforces is the other Troops choice?

Probably expect you to split the FWs into two squads of 6.

Although moving Stealth suits to Troops would make them see more use and explain their rumored stealth nerf.

Remember they were your starting squads in Dawn of War Dark Crusade.

Honestly I hope so. They aren't updating the kits and I doubt they're getting more weapon options. I'd love to to take a couple cheap stealth suit squads to try and score down field objectives.


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What's so great about the Orca anyways? I see a few people say how great it is, but I've never seen it's purpose.

 chris13f wrote:
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Did you even attempt to read thread? Seriously, the last 10 or so pages have been about these...

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Why oh why is there no Orca model? It's an effing awesome vehicle that fits the aesthetic and the background and could be upgraded into various different versions.

Because it's a superheavy vehicle and the model is way too big for normal 40k.

They could have done a smaller version.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I might like that.
Also, I like the flyer. I just want railguns on it :(

Well, here's a Riptide with a Railgun...

If Stealth suits become troops that'll be awesome. Fully suited army, yay!

I'm hoping the new Pathfinders go together similarly to the Fire Warriors, so that kitbashing is easy to do.

 taudau wrote:


Sunshark/Razorshark - Competent execution, but there's not much to execute. Instead of borrowing inspiration from the existing Tau fliers which follow a well-designed aesthetic, we get this rubbish. I think the thing that bothers me most are the wings. Nothing else in the Tau army has wings like that. No thanks.

Actually, the new flyers look VERY MUCH like tau flying vehicles....check out all of the TAU BFG ships...it matches very well.

Note: personally, I prefer the barracuda, and am very pissed that GW did not include FW models in the dex. But that is another thread...

I think the new models will be fine, as a person who actually plays tau (as opposed to having shelved them years ago) I am very excited for the new dex.

Am I happy about there not being rumors of FW models? No, I do not like that.
Am I happy about the new models we did get to see? Sure, new stuff. Not amazing, but not bad either.
Am I happy about the new rules? Dunno, have not read the actual codex and played any games yet.

davethepak wrote:

 taudau wrote:


Sunshark/Razorshark - Competent execution, but there's not much to execute. Instead of borrowing inspiration from the existing Tau fliers which follow a well-designed aesthetic, we get this rubbish. I think the thing that bothers me most are the wings. Nothing else in the Tau army has wings like that. No thanks.

Actually, the new flyers look VERY MUCH like tau flying vehicles....check out all of the TAU BFG ships...it matches very well.

They look to me like someone decided to copy the DZC Neptune Dropship. They have eerily similar silhouettes to me.

i love this, riptide suit yes please, new sunshark bomber oh yeah!! as for the pathfinders and new broadside i need hd pics so i can see how cool they are now and the battlesiuts xv8's i'm happy they kept the old ones but i would have liked to see several boxes of the different types of suits. anyway now i need the rules but those models i'm loving, sorry wifey i have to spend des moneys

That DZC dropship looks more like the Hunter Killer from the Terminator series of films. The new Tau flyer looks like it is designed to carry battle suits underneath. Can it do this?

I would have love to have seen some ally inspired vehicles in this release. Perhaps a more primative species using tracked vehicles upgraded with Tau tech.

 chris13f wrote:
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Am I the only one that thought the Riptide is a mix of Gundam and Evangelion and would be willing to put this song on when I put it on the table? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXoIEDYCF-A

Looks a lot like the Combine drop ships from Half Life 2

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I'm liking most of it, will be good conversion fodder at the least... really, really disappointed they didn't update the crisis suits though, shame.

I certainly hope there are still wave 2's in the cards for some... no Greater Daemons and nothing for kroot would be sad :(

Hey, I remember you worked some magic on the stormraven, care to see what you could do with the Tau flyer or do you need to wait for better pics?

You know i don't think it would take much work to make the new flyers look better.

1. Cut off those feth awful stuts joining the front and back wings.
2. Remove the missle rack on the top and place it somewhere else (to be determined at a latter date!)
3. ???
4. Profit from a less hidious flyer.

In the end i think it would a bit like the flying machine in Terminator 3. Which is a good thing is it not?

I think it's interesting that there are strange drones in many of the kits. Also the descriptions say ..... and 3 drones... or the like. It doesn't say "gun drone" or "shield drone" Could this mean that there are more drone options, or perhaps even a sprue that allows us to pick what drones to build from each kit? Having options makes me excited.

What I find strange, is in all these 'leaked' pictures from whitedwarf, not one single person ever seems to have the ability to take a decent photograph of something? or a friend who possibly could. /tinfoilhat

I'm bloody terrible at photography, but even my decrepit skills could do better.

I have to say, I do like the look of the new stuff and if the kits that came with the new Dark Angels, Chaos, and Daemons stuff are any indications we should see some nicely detailed bits in these boxes. I sure hope so, because they would make for some cool conversions.

When I play against somebody and they decided that thy don't like the model that I'm using, I'm sure that they will be thinking about the rules, not the appearance.

I think it's interesting that there are strange drones in many of the kits. Also the descriptions say ..... and 3 drones... or the like. It doesn't say "gun drone" or "shield drone" Could this mean that there are more drone options, or perhaps even a sprue that allows us to pick what drones to build from each kit? Having options makes me excited.

Someone mentioned on the Warseer forums that the bomber has detachable drone fighters. Not sure if this is true of not, but it would be freaking awesome.

 Earthbeard wrote:
What I find strange, is in all these 'leaked' pictures from whitedwarf, not one single person ever seems to have the ability to take a decent photograph of something? or a friend who possibly could. /tinfoilhat

I'm bloody terrible at photography, but even my decrepit skills could do better.

That is actually bloody strange.

The abscence of Kroot/Vespids presumably leads to one of two possibilities

1. All the rumours about them were false, no new stuff at all

(otherwise GW would have the new ones out alongside the new Tau to prevent 3rd parties doing them first)

2. The Allies codex is real (either as a stand alone or WD upgrade), and when that hits the new Kroot/vespid stuff will drop

3. Any models for them are second wave.

 Kroothawk wrote:
3. Any models for them are second wave.

I guess that's possible, but it does go against the new GW tactic of putting out all the 'new' stuff in the first wave
(I'm kind of hoping you're right though)

Yikes. The releaes really are becoming paint-by-numbers.

I expected:

1 Big Oval Base unit
1 Flyer (double kit)
1 Plastic Infantry
1 40mm base units in a box.

And that's exactly what we got (plus an unecessary redesign of the Broadside). I was expecting a new Kroot Box (w/plastic Kroothounds and 1 Krootox included, ala Eldar Guards w/weapon platform) and not Pathfinders, and I really thought we'd get new Crisis.

The Riptide is just a big suit. The flyers look kinda dippy. Can't work out what the Broadside actually looks like from those first four pictures (if others have emeged since page 15, please let me know). I really want to see the Pathfinder box.

Don't know if anyone posted these: (via belloflostsouls)

Tau
There has been a lot of information coming in this week regarding Tau. Some of what we have seen this week is conflicting, and I am going to go over some of the highlights here, of course more detail can be found over on Faeit 212, and in the Bols Lounge

Lets start with the most controversial.....

Broadsides
*Broadsides are Slow and Purposeful, 2+ and T4 now.
*They come with twin linked Rail Guns str8 ap1 railguns and can take plasma or missiles as well.
*They have a suit upgrade that let's them at the start of a shooting phase have skyfire.
*They don't have interceptor, nor do they snap fire ground targets.
*Can Splitfire still
*85pts- that includes base cost + skyfire upgrade

Rail Weapons
Rail Rifle S6 AP3
Rail Gun S8 AP1
Rail Cannon S10 AP1

Fire Warriors
*Have the option for all Firewarrior units within 6" to fire Overwatch
*Have a new special HQ
*Apparently this can potentially be 4 if the Fire Warrior special character is also attached.
*A character that allows Firewarriors to consolidate after Overwatch

Uber Suit
*The Tau uber suit is called "Riptide"
*Is a Jump Monstrous Creature
*rumored to be around 165 base but only start with twin-linked Plasma.
*Conflicting Reports but looks like its found in the Elite Foc
*Can take an Ion Accelerator upgrade: three S7 AP3 shots or one S8 AP2 Large Blast.
*There's supposedly a special rule on the Riptide called Nova Accelerator which can do 4 things:
1.Buff weaponry (unsure how or which weapons)
2.Double the shots of support weapons (missile pods ect)
3.Increase invulnerable save to 3++
4.Boost a stat

Tau Codex Author
*Jeremy Vetock

Model Releases Alongside the codex ( Looks like April 6th)
*Riptide large suit
*Flyer dual kit (fighter and bomber)
*New Battlesuit and Broadside models (not sure if these dual kit or not)
*Plastic Pathfinders
*A new Fire Warrior HQ (not sure if the special character mentioned above or a generic one)

Again no Kroot stuff at all, maybe there've been dropped from the new codex and been added to that rumored allies book.

Enjoy

Still 10 Pathfinders + 3 drones for 25,- vs 10 fire Warriors + 2 drones for 31,- is somehow weird (even though in a good way this time).

FW box has 12 FW's.

Again the rumors say "new" battlesuit models...do you think maybe they aren't just repackaging the old suits and that they cut new sprues to make the three pack? Seems like a waste when you could have just made a kit based on one of Roberto Cirillo's awesome designs.

Im most excited about reading it. Im going to spend a couple of days just reading it and assembling te models.
The thing i dislike the most about old codexes is that the units only get a blip.

 Happygrunt wrote:

Not all modern aircraft have sweeping back wings. Some, like the above Reaper drone, have wings that are straight out. The drone aesthetic could have been what the designers were going for.

You're giving them way too much credit. Besides, Razorshark is meant to be an air superiority fighter, just like Barracuda, Nephilim or Thunderbolt. Just for sake of example, I give detailed explanation why this model doesn't work.
Many existing GW or FW fliers draw from real-world aircraft so they offer recognizable archetypes, which people can relate to. Ork Dakkajet draws from MiG-15. Valkyrie is based in Mi-24 Hind, Thunderbolt has WW2 fighter aesthetics, Barracuda, Manta and Tigershark look lot like Avro Vulcan, etc. People expect model visuals to fit to the role they play in-game. (of course it's not absolutely necessary, but it helps).

Razor/Sunshark is based on existing Piranha model. This as such may seem as logical, but it is a mistake. Piranha is a skimmer, land vehicle in game terms. If you look at Dark Eldar fliers, they do not even remotely resemble Deldar skimmers. Similarly, Space Marine fliers are not enlarged Land Speeders. They have their own, distinctive designs, even if they may borrow some individual visual elements to estabilish a common "feel" with rest of the range. Forgeworld Tau fliers are designed along these principles and most people agree they look good.

There are other problems. The model does not really give impression of speed, it's too front heavy with it's wings and heavily rounded nose. If the model was pure attack aircraft, it might be acceptable (A-10 comparison being adept here, also Il-2 etc) but it's meant to be a fighter too. Generally, when you have multi-role aircraft like fighter-bomber, they are designed as fighters first as that's more challenging, and attack characteristics are secondary. F-15 makes a good attack aircraft, but you can't make a fighter out of A-10. Model's design priority is bass-ackwards. Model also doesn't look very aggressive - same problem Storm Talon has, though for different reasons. Craft is too rounded, looking more like some sort of racer vehicle rather than tool of war. Inverted V tail gives the craft subdued feel. Engines look bit too small. Finally, tail booms look completely pointless. Since the craft already has a proper tail, the booms are just unnecessary visual element to confuse people. I guess they were added as an afterthought, to give model some new element so it wouldn't look so boring, but it didn't work.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Again the rumors say "new" battlesuit models...do you think maybe they aren't just repackaging the old suits and that they cut new sprues to make the three pack? Seems like a waste when you could have just made a kit based on one of Roberto Cirillo's awesome designs.

Here's a crazy question: Could it be possible that GW doesn't have the legal right to produce them? That somehow they only acquired the rights to everything they actually produced using his designs (like the stealth suits) and anything they didn't produce back then they don't have the right to produce now? Because frankly I'm having trouble comprehending how GW can choose to continue with the almost universally decried original XV-8 design and choose not to produce the almost universally-loved Cirillo designs unless there was some other factor involved.

Also interesting: On Cirillo's homepage we can see the new stealth suit and Commander Shadowsun, but none of his crisis suit designs are there.

Couldn't they just buy the rights though? Or are they too cheap for that?

Many on net forums don't like the suits, but what GW cares about is sales figures

If they old suits sell well (for a Tau unit) there's no real chance of a replacement, especially as FW does provide an alternative for those who would otherwise not buy a suit at-all

(you might also find the FW suit design is not suitable for tooling in styrene, dependant on what undercuts it requires and where they are, going from metal/resin to plastic is not nessesarily straight forward, especially if you want to have your mould line somewhere they are not noticible or easy to clean off, which recent GW have done very well)

Love the new minis, really hate the prices. Only thing I would change would be to clip off those long plastic pieces connecting the wings on the flyiers.

Its coming out in April. My local store already has pics of the new minis.

So, If the WD comes out n march. We are looking at an april 5.
Bloody hell GW, What have you been smoking to come out with releases withing months of eachother. Take a break.

Loved the suits when they came out, love them now.

My only issue is with o'shovah, he needs a new kit badly, the old one doesn't fit the bill for me

 Formosa wrote:
Loved the suits when they came out, love them now.

My only issue is with o'shovah, he needs a new kit badly, the old one doesn't fit the bill for me

Well, we still know next to nothing about the HQ and Special Character units. Still puzzles me as to why they would take the small handful of photos and neglect to get everything on the release pages...

Well if they get aught, they are in trouble. It might be they had to do it quick.

 Earthbeard wrote:
What I find strange, is in all these 'leaked' pictures from whitedwarf, not one single person ever seems to have the ability to take a decent photograph of something? or a friend who possibly could. /tinfoilhat

I'm bloody terrible at photography, but even my decrepit skills could do better.

With time, good light, and the ability to be casual about it sure.

But we dont know - these pics may have been taking on the sly, in poor lighting or in an effort to try and not get caught....why do you think they are called "leaked" pictures.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
3. Any models for them are second wave.

I guess that's possible, but it does go against the new GW tactic of putting out all the 'new' stuff in the first wave

Funny to hear about the new GW policy between the WoC and Daemon waves October/November last year and while waiting for new Tyranid and Dark Eldar flyers.

Imagine the people's reaction, if the new Tau flyer would have looked like this (upcoming Antenocitis Workshop model):

While the new flyer bears a resemblance to the bastard love-child of a Devilfish and a Piranha, I couldn't help but be reminded of something else....the Leopard CV Dropship from Battletech, just move the wings, hell even the tail turret is the same.

http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/Spaceships/3025%20Leopard%20CV.JPG

Edited for spelling/grammar.

I wonder the same thing. In this day of cameras built into just about everything, how does someone take a bad photo of a WD?

It's like this scoopers went to the "how to film UFO sightings" school of photography.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder the same thing. In this day of cameras built into just about everything, how does someone take a bad photo of a WD?

It's like this scoopers went to the "how to film UFO sightings" school of photography.

lol, perfect!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder the same thing. In this day of cameras built into just about everything, how does someone take a bad photo of a WD?

It's like this scoopers went to the "how to film UFO sightings" school of photography.

You'd be surprised. Being surreptitious when taking a photo with your boss over your shoulder can be difficult.

Or they just are terrible at taking pictures.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder the same thing. In this day of cameras built into just about everything, how does someone take a bad photo of a WD?

It's like this scoopers went to the "how to film UFO sightings" school of photography.

You'd be surprised. Being surreptitious when taking a photo with your boss over your shoulder can be difficult.

This. While it's possible to get a bit of alone time in the warehouse to snap the odd picture, it's hard to do it with no one else noticing you've disappeared with a bit of product that needs to be packed for shipping. Not to mention a lot of places like this don't actually allow phones on the premesis for this reason (my brother works at a warehouse where they only allow phones in the lobby, and even have various metal detectors set up at 'strategic' points). Warehouses that have any amount of security will spot most of what's going on. So sneaking away to snap a shot with a phone isn't going to result in 1920x1080 resolution, perfectly framed photos of the pages in question. The photos we get are very much what you'd expect from a guy who got 20 seconds alone with the magazine and his phone he managed to hide away in the usual place.

You have to remember people who snap these leaks generally want to keep their job.

1. If this is a store owner (or even employee), why does he need to take the picture quickly?
2. If this is a customer, why can’t they just buy the WD and take the photos at their own leisure? And if they can’t buy it, they’re obviously being shown it by a friendly manager, which doesn’t really gel with the idea of quickly trying to take a photo.
3. And if it’s in a warehouse... are we seriously saying that we think people are breaking into warehouses to take bad phone-camera pictures of WD?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. If this is a store owner (or even employee), why does he need to take the picture quickly?
2. If this is a customer, why can’t they just buy the WD and take the photos at their own leisure? And if they can’t buy it, they’re obviously being shown it by a friendly manager, which doesn’t really gel with the idea of quickly trying to take a photo.
3. And if it’s in a warehouse... are we seriously saying that we think people are breaking into warehouses to take bad phone-camera pictures of WD?

1 - no, or it would be better.
2 - No, they don't have them yet (and they would be better).
3 - No silly man, it would be a person who works in the warehouse/printshop/etc. place taking the picture.

Some times we get pictures that are better or worse.

I personally know of a guy who worked at a store who manged to sneak pictures of a new book before official release (they got their stock in a couple days early) - his boss did not let them touch them - he had to take the pics in a very rushed fashion while the boss was at lunch.

not everything that does not meet expectations or desire is a conspiracy.

But they are out to get you...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. If this is a store owner (or even employee), why does he need to take the picture quickly?
2. If this is a customer, why can’t they just buy the WD and take the photos at their own leisure? And if they can’t buy it, they’re obviously being shown it by a friendly manager, which doesn’t really gel with the idea of quickly trying to take a photo.
3. And if it’s in a warehouse... are we seriously saying that we think people are breaking into warehouses to take bad phone-camera pictures of WD?

It's likely not a store owner or a store employee. The previous leaks have been from the printing company that does White Dwarf and likely continue to be from there as well.
Given that Games Workshop seems to have been actually aware of the leaks coming from the printing company, the printing company has likely had to up punitive measures to keep their contract with GW.

I doubt it's from any kind of "break in", but rather it's just an employee taking advantage of access to send a "Screw you" to Games Workshop. Or it could be similar to what was happening with BioWare's multiplayer DLCs for Mass Effect 3 where someone who had close ties to an employee was leaking the material without the employee's knowledge.

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:
While the new flyer bears a resemblance to the bastard love-child of a Devilfish and a Piranha, I couldn't help but be reminded of something else....the Leopard CV Dropship from Battletech, just move the wings, hell even the tail turret is the same.

http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/Spaceships/3025%20Leopard%20CV.JPG

Edited for spelling/grammar.

Isn't the Leopard one of the designs borrowed from Crusher Joe?

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 Kroothawk wrote:
For convenience, I updoaded and enlarged the pics:

But can you enhance them?

What, no one picked up on a Supertroopers reference? :(

I am constantly flabbergasted by the way GW prices things. Current price of three Crisis suits is $89.25 Cdn, new price is $90. Are there any other industries that have a price increase for buying more of an item? The existence of Costco (and the like) would indicate a discount of some kind would in order. I guess they don't have anything like that in the UK? :(

The new Broadsides better be amazing, because I can order the FW ones for $12 less than these new ones.

davethepak wrote:
not everything that does not meet expectations or desire is a conspiracy.

Who said anything about a conspiracy?


Looks like you've got straw in your ears...

RogueRegault wrote:

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:
While the new flyer bears a resemblance to the bastard love-child of a Devilfish and a Piranha, I couldn't help but be reminded of something else....the Leopard CV Dropship from Battletech, just move the wings, hell even the tail turret is the same.

http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/Spaceships/3025%20Leopard%20CV.JPG

Edited for spelling/grammar.

Isn't the Leopard one of the designs borrowed from Crusher Joe?

Very well could be, I know FASA basically got destroyed via litigation over stolen Intellectual Property from the Anime genre and it's numerous studios and sub-types.

They got destroyed by financial mismanagement and theft. Their issues with Harmony Gold over stealing Macross artwork were bad, but not crippling.

I hope we get pics of the New Crisis suit commander.

Well I'll probably get two flyer kits and go magnet crazy. I've got a counts as Riptide already (see below)
(that's a TDA base it's on)

With my existing barracuda and x2 remoras I think the double FOC lists I can make will be mean enough to cause problems. I've also got a Gamesday shaper ready to be my Kroot HQ. I really hope my 60+ kroot aren't out of a job come April and that the Faeit rumors are correct and the Riptide gets a Railcannon or the equivalent. Otherwise that might just be a counts as hammerhead. :(

 Lobukia wrote:
I've also got a Gamesday shaper ready to be my Kroot HQ. I really hope my 60+ kroot aren't out of a job come April and that the Faeit rumors are correct and the Riptide gets a Railcannon or the equivalent. Otherwise that might just be a counts as hammerhead. :(

I wouldn't hold your breath...I really have a sneaking suspicion that the Kroot and Vespid will be curiously absent from this release. Their removal from the battleforce and absence from the photos gives me some pause on whether they made the cut. On the other hand, perhaps they are in other photos that will remain to be seen, who knows?

 spectreoneone wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I've also got a Gamesday shaper ready to be my Kroot HQ. I really hope my 60+ kroot aren't out of a job come April and that the Faeit rumors are correct and the Riptide gets a Railcannon or the equivalent. Otherwise that might just be a counts as hammerhead. :(

I wouldn't hold your breath...I really have a sneaking suspicion that the Kroot and Vespid will be curiously absent from this release. Their removal from the battleforce and absence from the photos gives me some pause on whether they made the cut. On the other hand, perhaps they are in other photos that will remain to be seen, who knows?

Plastic vespids will come out in the same wave as plastic GDs.

I kinda hope they get good. Vespids I mean.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
They got destroyed by financial mismanagement and theft. Their issues with Harmony Gold over stealing Macross artwork were bad, but not crippling.

FASA didn't get "destroyed" by anything. They simply got out of the business after a very orderly shutdown (I was a freelancer during this time). The issue of licensing Japanese anime is so hopelessly confused and ridiculous that FASA had been moving away from using that imagery since they introduced the Clans.

Ok, so I flipped through a few pages here, and there are no good pics, right? Just those blurry ass WD pics? Because I just came for the pics.

It shouldn't be much longer before we get high-quality pictures of everything that is being released.

 Tanakosyke22 wrote:

 chris13f wrote:
TAU Pics

Am I the only one that thought the Riptide is a mix of Gundam and Evangelion and would be willing to put this song on when I put it on the table? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXoIEDYCF-A

I very much agree that it has elements from both Gundam and Evangelion, but it better be playing at least this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqaMVPZwFvc

I wonder.
Will the Box of single crisis suits remain>

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. If this is a store owner (or even employee), why does he need to take the picture quickly?
2. If this is a customer, why can’t they just buy the WD and take the photos at their own leisure? And if they can’t buy it, they’re obviously being shown it by a friendly manager, which doesn’t really gel with the idea of quickly trying to take a photo.
3. And if it’s in a warehouse... are we seriously saying that we think people are breaking into warehouses to take bad phone-camera pictures of WD?

Why didn't you just make a sensible number 3? here, it's not hard.

3. Someone at the printing house or a distribution warehouse snuck a phone in, and not having time to frame and mount individual pages for clear photography in a light box, took some rushed photos while people weren't looking.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Again the rumors say "new" battlesuit models...do you think maybe they aren't just repackaging the old suits and that they cut new sprues to make the three pack? Seems like a waste when you could have just made a kit based on one of Roberto Cirillo's awesome designs.

I suppose it doesn't hurt to cling to hope while we can.
If all else fails there's always the option to convert Crisis Suits out of the new Broadsides... For those of us with who happen to have a magic ass that dispenses unlimited cash.

 Grey Therion wrote:

 Tanakosyke22 wrote:

 chris13f wrote:
TAU Pics

Am I the only one that thought the Riptide is a mix of Gundam and Evangelion and would be willing to put this song on when I put it on the table? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXoIEDYCF-A

I very much agree that it has elements from both Gundam and Evangelion, but it better be playing at least this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqaMVPZwFvc

I was thinking this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEEPosF-tNU

My personal fanon will be that all Riptides are crewed by dual female pilots.

The only thing i do not like about the riptide is the head.
I might try to make one out of a stealth suit.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I wonder.
Will the Box of single crisis suits remain>

Very very unlikely.

RogueRegault wrote:

 Grey Therion wrote:

 Tanakosyke22 wrote:

 chris13f wrote:
TAU Pics

Am I the only one that thought the Riptide is a mix of Gundam and Evangelion and would be willing to put this song on when I put it on the table? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXoIEDYCF-A

I very much agree that it has elements from both Gundam and Evangelion, but it better be playing at least this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqaMVPZwFvc

I was thinking this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEEPosF-tNU

My personal fanon will be that all Riptides are crewed by dual female pilots.

I still need to see GunBuster, but if that is the case for the Rebuilds, I think this works as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAIt-Jh88hg

 -Loki- wrote:
3. Someone at the printing house or a distribution warehouse snuck a phone in, and not having time to frame and mount individual pages for clear photography in a light box, took some rushed photos while people weren't looking.

Snuck a phone in? You make it sound as if something underhanded is happening here.

 Formosa wrote:
Loved the suits when they came out, love them now.

My only issue is with o'shovah, he needs a new kit badly, the old one doesn't fit the bill for me

I like the XV-8 suits as well. Any changes I would want to them are minor- stronger ankles, make the knee and elbow joints separate so they are posable (Ig sentinel got posable legs in the redesign), and fix the head divot. Maybe make the head antennae a little more durable as well.

whoadirty wrote:


The new Broadsides better be amazing, because I can order the FW ones for $12 less than these new ones.

Well, they are quite a bit larger, being on 60mm bases now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
3. Someone at the printing house or a distribution warehouse snuck a phone in, and not having time to frame and mount individual pages for clear photography in a light box, took some rushed photos while people weren't looking.

Snuck a phone in? You make it sound as if something underhanded is happening here.

It's not uncommon for security conscious places to have rules against employee phones in the working area.

Overall this Tau release is pretty womp womp to me. Crisis suits still look gakky, still cost 70% more than they did when first released, and now you can't even buy them one at a time. They had better get a new sprue or something in the deal.

New broadside looks okay. It's kinda whatever to me. Price? LOL. $50? Is it even on a 60mm base?

Flyers. Very simple. Almost too simple, the design seems a leeeetle bit lazy. Pretty cool though. Price again? LOL. Looks just about as one piece as the DE flyer, I sure hope it is bigger.

Mega battlesuit? Looks like gak to me. No coherent aesthetic. No clean silhouette. The conversion from way back looks way better, this looks like the other old "we took a crisis suit and made it HUGE AND COVERED IN GRIBBLES!!!!" conversions which were terrible. Price is a complete joke, it looks to be only slightly larger than a DK.

Pathfinders seem nice. Good price point.




Rules I'm sure will be broken to all hell, as Tau players are the whiniest of all players and GW makes money by making whiney people happy again.

First, glad that xv8's & fire warriors stay the same. Really never was likely when FW has so many good updates to the XV8's and that the fire warriors are considered to be one of the better looking troop units that GW makes. IMO, any that really thought that GW would spend the money on new sculpts for the xv8's or the fire warriors were deluding themselves(or abusing their medical marijuana).

Second, Dont care much for the Fliers but agree with those that suggest removing the struts that connect the front wings to the rear stabilizers and changing the missile mounts. Was thinking the same thing when I read that others felt the same.(Think that a modified tx42 pirahna might be better looking and possibly cheaper flier. Really, depends on the rules and whether or not I even want to use fliers. Really don't like their implementation in 6th ed.)

Third, Rip-tide. Very mixed feelings.
-Really hate the name yet like the model's overall look.
-Really don't like it being super heavy (near Titan) sized (such a large unit seems contrary to the Tau design philosophy of economy of resources), but am happy that it has a wound characteristic. (An oversized walker/dreadnought does not fit the Tau theme)
-Forsee the classic Tau Battlesuit weak ankle / easy to knock over problem continuing with this model, but that just makes it more at home in the elites section with the crisis suits
(Will probably get one for a display piece but won't likely use it in game because its size will exascerbate the scale problem inherent in 40K.)

Fourth, Pathfinders. Already have pleanty of the old pewter pieces. might get a box if there are new weapon options or to get the drones to use as a template for building my own from scratch.

Fifth, About the Kroot & Vespid.
I'm inclined to believe that the rumour about them being in a mini-allies section at the beginning of the book. I think the rumour about a seperate allies book was met with such vehemence by the 40k community that GW realized that such a seperation would cause this release to fail.
IF , the Kroot and Vespid are now treated as in codex allies, this would allow the Tau to have a unique way of exceeding the FOC restrictions.(I reaaly hope that this is what is happening.

Sixth, IMO, Depending on which way GW goes with the Stealthsuits and the Alien auxilla, This codex will either be almost Necron good or 5th ed Tyranid bad. I don't think that it will fall in the middle, GW's history suggests that it will either be a big hit or a horrible miss.
(If it is a mediocre book that does fall just short of the middle, then it will be business as usual for the Tau and the Tau player base will retain our fiddly army that is a challenge to use)

Seventh Broadsides. Think that I'll be investing in the Forge World pieces

and
Finally, I blame focusedfire for a lot of this.

I remember some of his old "Fix Tau for 5th ed" discussions and Tau fan-dex ideas. Seem to remember that he said:

1)The Tau would get an xv88 replacement that was larger and had a railgun that was weaker than the Hammerheads Rail Cannon.(If the rumours are true, he definitely called that one.)

2) He kept talking about the xv15's being stripped of their stealth generators and being repurposed as troop units.(Got a feeling that the xv15's & xv25's may go this route).

3) Described a much expanded drone presence in the Tau forces. (Looks at pics and sees a lot of new drones)

4) Tau special rule that would allow for falling back before an assault. (Consolidation after Overwatch?)

5) Streamlined marker system that similar in mechanic to the DE pain token system. (1 hit= +1bs, 2 hit= -1 to cover, ect, ect....)

6) and many others that seem to fit with these rumours. There was a lot where he was off, but his ideas are from 5th ed and over 3-4 years ago.


To bad he has dropped this edition, wonder if any of this will pull him back in?

 Captain Avatar wrote:
I think the rumour about a seperate allies book was met with such vehemence by the 40k community that GW realized that such a seperation would cause this release to fail.

Because GW have been putting so much effort lately into recognising and responding to community feedback...

 insaniak wrote:

 Captain Avatar wrote:
I think the rumour about a seperate allies book was met with such vehemence by the 40k community that GW realized that such a seperation would cause this release to fail.

Because GW have been putting so much effort lately into recognising and responding to community feedback...

True, it doesn't take a lot of effort to hire a few interns to go onto the forums and white knight for their products.

Seriously, there has been a fair amount of annecdotal evidence to suggest that they have been trying to respond to requests from the fan/player base. Its how they implement their responses that makes it seem like they are ignoring the warhammer community. It's almost like GW is trying to teach us "to be careful what you wish for".

 Captain Avatar wrote:

Seriously, there has been a fair amount of annecdotal evidence to suggest that they have been trying to respond to requests from the fan/player base.

Yeah. Really apparent in the move with 6th edition to a tighter, more tournament-friendly rule set with fewer random elements, the huge increase in hobby articles in white dwarf, the spread of digital downloads beyond apple products and the reversal of the trend towards more of the range being direct only...

Well. Those flyers. Ugh.

"Oh crap, I got this thing fully sculpted, but I forgot to model the missiles!" ... ... /SLAP ON TOP

Going to have to wait to see how people convert them to make them less ridiculous before I invest.

I can see the crisis suits maybe getting a sprue cleanup and maybe 1 added sprue of special weapons added in the box to justify bundling.

Hopefully the hammerhead gets buffed/doesn't get nerfed into the dirt because I will kill myself before hammering out that much for more broadsides at supposedly 85 points/pop. Hopefully my existing 2 are enough (and can stand up like a boss in small ruins).

No day 1 "OMG THAT IS SO COOL I'LL BUY BEFORE I SEE THE RULES" purchases for me on this one. Sign me up for a codex and we're good for a while I think.

 insaniak wrote:

 Captain Avatar wrote:

Seriously, there has been a fair amount of annecdotal evidence to suggest that they have been trying to respond to requests from the fan/player base.

Yeah. Really apparent in the move with 6th edition to a tighter, more tournament-friendly rule set with fewer random elements, the huge increase in hobby articles in white dwarf, the spread of digital downloads beyond apple products and the reversal of the trend towards more of the range being direct only...

Well I know my gaming community prefers the less stringent rules, more relaxed and random gaming style, as well as the hobby articles.

What's that saying again... oh yes: Only fight the battles you can win.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's that saying again... oh yes: Only fight the battles you can win.

Unless you're a dumbass and fight battles you can go down swinging.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
3. Someone at the printing house or a distribution warehouse snuck a phone in, and not having time to frame and mount individual pages for clear photography in a light box, took some rushed photos while people weren't looking.

Snuck a phone in? You make it sound as if something underhanded is happening here.

It's. not uncommon for warehouses to prohibit phones - even just from a productivity standpoint. From a security standpoint - any printing house or warehouse dealing with media that has a street date will prohibit anything potentially housing a visual recording device. You might find it stupid, but people running companies don't

 Captain Avatar wrote:
First, glad that xv8's & fire warriors stay the same.

I like the Fire Warriors but would have preferred to see new sculpts for the Crisis Suits. As for expectations, well, both the Necron and DE lines were extensively redone so hoping that the Crisis Suits would follow didn't seem to be that wild an idea.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Second, Dont care much for the Fliers but agree with those that suggest removing the struts that connect the front wings to the rear stabilizers and changing the missile mounts.

Possibly, but I still think GW pretty much screwed the pooch here. The thing that irritates me most about the new flier is that the front section looks too much like the Ork Bomma, except streamlined instead of junky. I think FW models substituted in is the best approach here. Ya know? The more I look at them, the more my mind is boggled. :/

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Third, Rip-tide. Really don't like it being super heavy (near Titan) sized (such a large unit seems contrary to the Tau design philosophy of economy of resources), but am happy that it has a wound characteristic. (An oversized walker/dreadnought does not fit the Tau theme).

I disagree here. An upsized Crisis Suit is perfectly in keeping with their design theme even though Titan level walkers are not. I think as long as this is the upper limit, everything will be fine. I also like it better than the Crisis Suits, at least visually.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Fourth, Pathfinders. Already have pleanty of the old pewter pieces. might get a box if there are new weapon options or to get the drones to use as a template for building my own from scratch.

Well, if you already have plenty then you don't need the new stuff, I guess. I'm glad to see them move to plastic as it allows more poseability and conversion opportunities.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Fifth, About the Kroot & Vespid. IF, the Kroot and Vespid are now treated as in codex allies, this would allow the Tau to have a unique way of exceeding the FOC restrictions.(I reaaly hope that this is what is happening.

I don't see them being treated as allies in the rulebook sense of the term. I do seem them being "unlocked" by purchasing special characters. Still, I dislike the asthetic of the Vespid so I won't be getting any even if they are good. I like the Kroot and hope the rumors of the new beastie are true. Being that the Crisis Suits weren't updated, I don't expect the sculpts to change for the existing Kroot. Plastic Kroothounds/Krootox would be nice, though.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Sixth, IMO, Depending on which way GW goes with the Stealthsuits and the Alien auxilla, This codex will either be almost Necron good or 5th ed Tyranid bad. I don't think that it will fall in the middle, GW's history suggests that it will either be a big hit or a horrible miss.

I... don't see the Tau becoming a powerful army. For a long time I've felt that GW preferred them to be merely adequate. I'd be suprised if this changes in April.

Seventh Broadsides. Think that I'll be investing in the Forge World pieces.

Is there any rumours about pulse weapons? Are they going to do anything to make carbines useful?

 Rolt wrote:
Don't know if anyone posted these: (via belloflostsouls)

Spoiler:

Tau
There has been a lot of information coming in this week regarding Tau. Some of what we have seen this week is conflicting, and I am going to go over some of the highlights here, of course more detail can be found over on Faeit 212, and in the Bols Lounge

Lets start with the most controversial.....

Broadsides
*Broadsides are Slow and Purposeful, 2+ and T4 now.
*They come with twin linked Rail Guns str8 ap1 railguns and can take plasma or missiles as well.
*They have a suit upgrade that let's them at the start of a shooting phase have skyfire.
*They don't have interceptor, nor do they snap fire ground targets.
*Can Splitfire still
*85pts- that includes base cost + skyfire upgrade

Rail Weapons
Rail Rifle S6 AP3
Rail Gun S8 AP1
Rail Cannon S10 AP1

Fire Warriors
*Have the option for all Firewarrior units within 6" to fire Overwatch
*Have a new special HQ
*Apparently this can potentially be 4 if the Fire Warrior special character is also attached.
*A character that allows Firewarriors to consolidate after Overwatch

Uber Suit
*The Tau uber suit is called "Riptide"
*Is a Jump Monstrous Creature
*rumored to be around 165 base but only start with twin-linked Plasma.
*Conflicting Reports but looks like its found in the Elite Foc
*Can take an Ion Accelerator upgrade: three S7 AP3 shots or one S8 AP2 Large Blast.
*There's supposedly a special rule on the Riptide called Nova Accelerator which can do 4 things:
1.Buff weaponry (unsure how or which weapons)
2.Double the shots of support weapons (missile pods ect)
3.Increase invulnerable save to 3++
4.Boost a stat

Tau Codex Author
*Jeremy Vetock

Model Releases Alongside the codex ( Looks like April 6th)
*Riptide large suit
*Flyer dual kit (fighter and bomber)
*New Battlesuit and Broadside models (not sure if these dual kit or not)
*Plastic Pathfinders
*A new Fire Warrior HQ (not sure if the special character mentioned above or a generic one)

Again no Kroot stuff at all, maybe there've been dropped from the new codex and been added to that rumored allies book.

Enjoy

This is basically all the rumors we had in the last week.

I am loving all the new tau minis in these pics!

Sure they are a bit pricey, but we all know GW is an expensive hobby and that is partly made up for by the decently priced (by GW standards) pathfinder box.

Compared to recent releases (I am looking at you Necron Immortals/Deathmarks and Lychguard/Praetorians at £20.50 for 5 models) £20.50 for 10 Pathfinders and 3 Drones is a bargain!

I will be definately getting my hands on some of these guys as I played Tau in 3rd edition and had an absolute blast with them.

I will most likely get the codex on release day as my birthday present to myself (the codex should be out 2 weeks after my birthday) and then the battleforce and a second fire warrior squad later on depending on funds.

Next would be broadsides, pathfinders, more battle suits and hammerheads. Plus sky rays and fliers and more piranhas if they are decent. Plus a riptide as that thing looks sick!!

I was considering a necron army, but these pics are what I have been waiting for to get me back into the fold of the Greater Good. Plus, unlike the necrons, I can ally the Tau with my main army (Eldar).

EDIT: I am not worried about the lack of Kroot/Vespid so far. I am sure they will be in the codex in some form plus I am more of a fan of the Tau asthetic than theirs anyway.

The riptide looks better than I would expect it to look, and anyone notice how easy it would be to turn the new flyer into a flying wing! awesome! (hurriely runs off to store to buy plasticard) I will probably mount the missiles on the bottom. I wish they did minor adjustments on the XV8 though.