Like i said in an earlier post, cut those stupid struts off and the plane looks a million times better.

Ok, that Farsight model has raised my spirits.

And if he makes Crisis suits troops (doubt it...)

This would be the song to play when Deep Striking him and assaulting

http://youtu.be/a2MqEZKZQ3k

I'm starting to see a minor resemblance to the District 9 suit in the Torso area of the riptide.

Also nice to see that years old test-sculpt version of farsight finally as a model, unlike the fate of this famous duo

I wonder if Farsight still offers the WS boost for firewarriors?

I wonder if he still has the same crippling limitations that he did previously.

IE 0-1 Broadsides, Hammerheads, etc.

Good point...

Still i'd be funny to see a hammernator squad get overwatched to death and then get charged and wiped out by WS3 fire warriors.

 Rented Tritium wrote:

Well, there's your answer if you want new suits, buy up 15 farsights and swap the weapons to whatever you want.

Yes, and then your cadre can join hands and skip through a field of daisies for the Greater Good.

 JOHIRA wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

Well, there's your answer if you want new suits, buy up 15 farsights and swap the weapons to whatever you want.

Yes, and then your cadre can join hands and skip through a field of daisies for the Greater Good.

Now I want to see that XD

I think the Farsight model looks FANTASTIC! As a Tau player, I am so pumped for this release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I love the new Drones. They're awesome.

Yes, isn't that amazing? The most successful aspect of the new release is the one where GW's designers took some aspect of the previous army that was under-developed and developed it in a way that provides more excitement, more dynamism, and fits with the previously established Tau identity. As opposed to kits that were shoe-horned in because someone at corporate decided that every army needs these kinds of models now.

 Snrub wrote:
Like i said in an earlier post, cut those stupid struts off and the plane looks a million times better.

And once again, GW sells a product that players have to convert just to make look passable.

I like the flyer as it is.....

I really hope that when I field it, people don't give me crap for it. It's a little low to voice opinions on others modeling and preferences.

Is it just me or is there a smaller flier above and between the two large ones? Is it perspective, or a new smaller skimmer?

I'm pretty sure it's perspective, but it must look really close to the ground... Any news on if the skimmers have hover and come with a small skimmer stand?

 JOHIRA wrote:

And once again, GW sells a product that players have to convert just to make look passable.

It is unfortunate it has come to that. I (as im sure many do) wish they would have stuck with the forgeworld look. But at the end of the day what do you do? Either accept it and work around it or don't buy the kit.

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:

Is it just me or is there a smaller flier above and between the two large ones? Is it perspective, or a new smaller skimmer?

I'm pretty sure it's perspective, but it must look really close to the ground... Any news on if the skimmers have hover and come with a small skimmer stand?

Perspective, it looks the same bar a different paintjob and if there were another we'd know by now.

Im just gonna say it:

I love the models
I hate the price

I missed the farsight picture. What page is it on?

Marshall Ragnar wrote:
I missed the farsight picture. What page is it on?

The last one, in the spoiler.

AARGH GW.
This is frustrating. There is no possible way I could start a new Tau army... but the amount needed to bring my Tau up to 6th edition standards is low enough that it's worth considering (if I can still order from the US, of course).

 jonolikespie wrote:

A few pages back now I think someone pointed out the new leaked pics are the same terrible quality every month. I'd like to put my tinfoil hat on for a second and add that these look like a fan leak, the others are really terrible quality and only ever seem to lower expectations.

These pictures are actually resized. Good folks at ATT tracked down full-sized pics. Now you can read texts:
http://advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=19399&p=244827

edit.

Nice they at least make a pretend they actually thought up a role for Riptide. I was just wondering same thing, how the mega-suit is justified fluff-wise? After all, why just not use a tank if you need fire support? It's not like it's meant for Close combat, like Dreadknight.

Farsight is listed as finecast in the above ATT links. He's also the only fig I'll likely get from the released pics so far as the Riptide just seems way too busy. The base torso (minis the Borderlands beserker mini-head) actually looks good but it suffers from too many little things bolted onto every surface.

"Crisis Enforcer Armor for the Tau Commander".... I'm assuming this is the armor of the Crisis Suit commander that was in the fold of the 2-page spread from before.

The Riptide also has 2 Shielded Missile Drones. Wasn't it said earlier that all Drones give their unit LOS rolls? So these would basically be 2 extra wounds for the Riptide?

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487813_10151473726088898_1808352789_n.jpg

Seems to me that number 4 here reads that the riptide has 3 different heads to choose from. May settle some nay-sayers.

Cool new Farsight ... will be interested to see his rules.

I dont even play tau but im considering getting a broadside or a flyer or two. Hell maybe even a Riptide. I had my doubts at first but it looks quite good now theres better pics up.

I know there is a snowballs chance in hell of this but I do hope Farsight gets a close combat oriented bodyguard team. I'm got 3-4 of the old sword bits (and possibly shield.. can't remember if I have both) that I'd love to use with my Tau.

I hope the Riptide model comes with a bigger head, because that one looks more like Thrud The Barbarian.

(I know the head is a sensor pod, but still...)

So the "Uber'-suit is their Monstrous Creature? The stats seem so close to the Dreadknight's.

So am I getting this right from the riptide text that Ward wrote the tau codex?

Also I still hate the riptide... so much ugly in one modell.
"look at me putting weapons on my weapons and adding some support systhems as well, just because"
"oh and add a fusion blaster over there.. it will be awesome" -.-

As for the new drones it looks like the one with the ball on it is the Grav-Inhibitor drone and the one with the rods sticking out of it is the Pulse Accelerator drone.

Matt Ward didn't write the Tau dex, Vetock did. The "Matt" in the article is the designer. Not all Matts are Wards...

I like that there are so many head variants now. I will probably use the extras to make regular crisis suits more unique.


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 IPS wrote:
So am I getting this right from the riptide text that Ward wrote the tau codex?

It's unclear. It says "matt", but the picture doesn't look like ward to me and it says he collected tau before working on the codex. It's unclear if this "matt" is the lead designer or not.

Edit: At the top of the page in tiny letters it says "matt holland answers questions about..."


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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=4400034a

Here's a GW article about some tau that Matt Holland converted in the past.

See the broadsides? It's basically the new one. You can see the ideas he used in the new models.

 Rented Tritium wrote:
I like that there are so many head variants now. I will probably use the extras to make regular crisis suits more unique.


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 IPS wrote:
So am I getting this right from the riptide text that Ward wrote the tau codex?

It's unclear. It says "matt", but the picture doesn't look like ward to me and it says he collected tau before working on the codex. It's unclear if this "matt" is the lead designer or not.

Edit: At the top of the page in tiny letters it says "matt holland answers questions about..."


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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=4400034a

Here's a GW article about some tau that Matt Holland converted in the past.

See the broadsides? It's basically the new one. You can see the ideas he used in the new models.

M ok, couldn't make that out.^^

edit: and misread some other parts ><

I really like the look of the new models. Riptide is what the Dreadknight should have been (except the head, which does look too small, hopefully the other variants are better), a monstrous creature suit that actually looks like it belongs in its army.

I like the look of the fliers. They look like a cross between a Devilfish and a Tetra, so I think it fits with the theme of the army.

No new Crisis suits is sad but at least Farsight has a great looking model. The Pathfinders look nice enough, better than the old metal ones that were all bent too close to the ground. And the Broadside... I still have yet to see a good pic of it but from what I did it looks more dynamic than the blocky, old static pose that we're used to. I wish there was some word on new Kroot stuff but oh well.

I have my old Tau army sitting in a bucket of Simple Green right now just waiting for a repaint (they were my first army and badly painted). I won't need to buy too much as I already have a good 2,000 points but I hope the Codex breathes new life into this army. They were always fun to play. Also, I'm just shocked GW is putting out Codex's this fast! I haven't seen a trend like this since 3rd edition.

Now with better pics, I think I rather like Riptide. It's not the greatest model ever, but at least it's much better looking than Dreadknight, I was afraid that mega-suit would look something like that. Someone complained about the ankles, but if it had sturdier ankles it would have made the model look too heavy. It needs to look like it's agile and fast, not cumbersome big brute. And it looks like it's easy to pose (other one was kneeling), there seems to be many options, there are tons of conversion possibilities, you can cut off the stuff you don't like blah blah blah.

Broadsides, pics still aren't perfect, but I'm not big fan of what I'm looking so far. I mean, it's better than the old model, but...

Pathfinders look like...Pathfinders. Old models were excellent, they were pretty much impossible to screw up. Maybe not big fan of some of the poses. Big drone looks bit weird. Devilfish has some sort of Drone thingie on top of it too.

Farsight looks good I guess. Again, previous model was so bad this can't be more than improvement. I wonder about his fluff. Nice that they painted up his famed bodyguards.

By the way, flyer still sucks.

I like the new farsight.
He looked kinda odd for a special commander.
Still nothing on Shadowsun.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, If the WD comes out n march. We are looking at an april 5.
Bloody hell GW, What have you been smoking to come out with releases withing months of eachother. Take a break.

Final proof that GW can never ever please the fanbase.

I really like the new Farsight, although personally, I liked the old rabbit ears, but it looks like an easy conversion to slap em on Farsight 2.0.

It seems they corrected the timeline issues surrounding him. What I can read of the fluff blurb seems to indicate that he's now just a skilled commander with questionable loyalty, and a habit of customizing his suit, instead of a semi-mythical historical figure who probably died long ago. Maybe now he can ditch his terrible limitations and just keep the benefits, since he seems to no longer lead a splinter faction.

Does anyone know if we'll be seeing a plastic character?

I was disappointed with the direction the new Daemons codex went (not disappointed with the power level). I was thinking of going back to Eldar and adding some Tau allies, this news makes that more attractive.

 warboss wrote:
I know there is a snowballs chance in hell of this but I do hope Farsight gets a close combat oriented bodyguard team. I'm got 3-4 of the old sword bits (and possibly shield.. can't remember if I have both) that I'd love to use with my Tau.

That would be great. Old Farsight models could be an excellent use for his bodyguard, considering the crisis suits haven't been redesigned.

I personally and the other 2 local tau players I'm friends with are loving the look of this new stuff! And I can't wait to get my hands on the new codex and find all the lovely combinations!

TheHarleqwin wrote:Gah. I wish we could tell if the Broadsides will be on 60mm bases, or if I can go ahead and order a squad from Forgeworld.

All Forge World Tau Suits are on 60mm bases.

scarletsquig wrote:Thanks for being patronizing, but all those pics are broken for me. Can someone just upload them to dakka?

Not sure if I am on your ignore list, but I reposted the pics 5 posts after yours.

caminacambob wrote:Seems to me that number 4 here reads that the riptide has 3 different heads to choose from. May settle some nay-sayers.

Could well be the nurgle fly syndrome: 'eavy Metal team chosing the ugliest option to showcase.

So here a repost of the new pics in original size, spoilered because of the size:
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487813_10151473726088898_1808352789_n.jpg
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295651_10151473726388898_1911844999_n.jpg
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487850_10151473724943898_1287048633_n.jpg
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/599203_10151473725738898_1057661584_n.jpg
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/63915_10151473725948898_1292857059_n.jpg

More by Kriby on 3++ http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/03/more-tau-picturez/ . Summary:

On Pathfinders: They compete with fliers so I'm guessing no option to move them and they stay in Fast Attack.

On Riptide: Elite.

On Kroot/Vespides: No new info.
There were some solid thoughts on Kroot before with rules, etc. but since they might not have new models soon, they might not want to showcase them. But yes, quite possibly they have been cut until this silly ally supplement book which would be frustrating but that would be very strange as GW generally never removes units from books. Squats being the exception.

On XV88: 85 pts gets S8 AP1 Skyfire for Broadsides; same statline; railguns are now S8 Ap1 base – rail cannons are S10 AP1. They don't lose Overwatch and they can still shoot at the ground at full BS. Not sure if they have S&P.
The way the ruling works is at the beginning of the shooting phase they can choose to have skyfire or not.
Yes the railgun has been nerfed though.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, If the WD comes out n march. We are looking at an april 5.
Bloody hell GW, What have you been smoking to come out with releases withing months of eachother. Take a break.

Final proof that GW can never ever please the fanbase.

Its more like. Slow down. Dont get burnt out and make it worse on us GW.

If that Riptide was a boss in an arcade game, those ankles would be the parts flashing red.

Did anyone else pick up on that the nova reactor on the Riptide may kill it's pilot? Maybe it has Gets Hot or something similar?

one the second page of pathfinders. There is a Pathfinder which looks like it has a rocket launcher.


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Also, are the drones detachable on the flyer?

Thats probably the new portable ion weapon as seen in one of the boxes on the right.

Pretty nice. That might make pathfinders better then tetras.
Depending on how cheap they are.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
one the second page of pathfinders. There is a Pathfinder which looks like it has a rocket launcher.

So I actually just went and read the tiny tiny text.
The first one is unreadable. What I have read actually seems to suggest that the "weapon" is a Markerlight.
The Drones are, from left to right:
Grav Drone
Recon Drone
Pulse Accelerator Drone

Uggggh why couldn't they just give the Riptide a decent head. GW had to screw it up somehow.

Finally given the Tau some love.

Everything they said sounds really awesome. Hope for the best for the Tau players out there.

If your really really lucky you will b eable to over watch at BS rather then BS1 with markerlights.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
one the second page of pathfinders. There is a Pathfinder which looks like it has a rocket launcher.

Spoiler:

So I actually just went and read the tiny tiny text.
The first one is unreadable. What I have read actually seems to suggest that the "weapon" is a Markerlight.
The Drones are, from left to right:
Grav Drone
Recon Drone
Pulse Accelerator Drone

Yeah, to me the first word on the second line of the box 1 description is "markerlight", followed by "carried by the pathfinders". So this might mean that not all pathfinders will have markerlights?

 Harriticus wrote:
Uggggh why couldn't they just give the Riptide a decent head. GW had to screw it up somehow.

I don't exactly know why, but I think the disk top of the recon drone might just make a good Riptide head. its sleek enough not to destroy the height profile, yet looks like it has enough size, lights, cameras, etc. to do the job.

Unless they've completely changed what-is-what on the models, the markerlight was the part on top of their carbines. The long gun that the one pathfinder is holding looks like some kind of Ion weapon. It has the parallel rods and arched-rectangle of the Ion cannon.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Yeah, to me the first word on the second line of the box 1 description is "markerlight", followed by "carried by the pathfinders". So this might mean that not all pathfinders will have markerlights?

They still have them on their carbines tough, so imho a pathfinder just carrying only a Markerlight would be redundant. Probably they can get the HI-Markerlight from the Tetra?

 Oaka wrote:
If that Riptide was a boss in an arcade game, those ankles would be the parts flashing red.

Funny you should say this...

About a week ago I posted the rumour that the Riptide looked a lot like Saturn out of Borderlands 2.

borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Saturn

Well I wasn't wrong, but the funny thing is that Saturn had crit spots in its ankles.

We also have reason to believe that Aun Shi is in the new codex as on the GW site the miniature that was Aun Shi was changed to just being a regular Ethereal model. If you look at the website now you will see the model is called Aun Shi Tau Ethereal. Giving us more evidence that he is returning.

So, Do the drones detach on the flyers? That would be pretty cool.

If you turn the flyers backwards, you could have passable hammerhead silhouttes from space above and beyond?

Much better pics too /firstworld problem moaning does work

Stoked I like the riptide, I completely hated the idea of the them at first but after seeing the model im going to get one, I just wonder what the fluff explanation will be since they clearly cant fit into a manta, possibly bundles into an orca? :s

Also not sure if anyone noticed but the pathfinder "mystery weapon" looks like a miniature ion cannon, experimental kit for pathfinders maybe?

The overwatch option is going to be literal murder to get through. Esp linked with nearby units.

I would like to see the complete rules, and will do when I buy the codex.

But, on a quick tally vs one unit, move assault unit up to charge range, which would likely be Tau RF range. 24 shots (assuming 12 pr) Charge, take 24 overwatch shots*, tau consolidate out of range, take 24 shots again then charge into a further 24 shots before engagement.

So thats 48 shots at BS3 and 48 shots at BS1 for app 32 hits. Could you use a deathstar against that? I would say that if you want to assault Tau, you will have to hit the entire line all at once, there's no half hearted measures against that.

Cheers

Andrew

* I never realised that overwatch allowed full RoF. Or at least according to P20 it does, has it changed anywhere?

Wait, Overwatch At ballistic Skill? With marker lights
Ohh i cant wait.

 AndrewC wrote:
The overwatch option is going to be literal murder to get through. Esp linked with nearby units.

I would like to see the complete rules, and will do when I buy the codex.

But, on a quick tally vs one unit, move assault unit up to charge range, which would likely be Tau RF range. 24 shots (assuming 12 pr) Charge, take 24 overwatch shots*, tau consolidate out of range, take 24 shots again then charge into a further 24 shots before engagement.

So thats 48 shots at BS3 and 48 shots at BS1 for app 32 hits. Could you use a deathstar against that? I would say that if you want to assault Tau, you will have to hit the entire line all at once, there's no half hearted measures against that.

Cheers

Andrew

* I never realised that overwatch allowed full RoF. Or at least according to P20 it does, has it changed anywhere?

One quick way to get around that that jumps to mind right away is dirge casters for CSM vehicles. It won't allow Tau to get their overwatch and in theory, no consolidation either.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
One quick way to get around that that jumps to mind right away is dirge casters for CSM vehicles. It won't allow Tau to get their overwatch and in theory, no consolidation either.

I don't know that rule, what is it? And until we see the codex, we don't know what the Tau special rule is, I am merely (wildly) speculating.

Cheers

Andrew

Ok..my converters mind is all aglow with possiblities for the flyer and the riptide, well mainly the flyer.

First off, I will reverse the angle of the tailfins, going up in a V instead of down in a V, will have to see what the purose of the struts from the front serve, but will likely remove them or at very least shorten them.

Riptide..hmmm may bulk out the Head/sensor array (since thats all it is anyway), liked what another poster suggested about using the C3 pathfinder drone as a head susitute.
Ankles will be a easy fix, since I have been doing that on all Tau battlesuits anyway, a small section of circular plastic and place it around any ball joint the model may have..but will need to actually check out the model.

Now I know most people want everything perfect out the door, and I can appreciate that, I have just gotten into the habit of convering just about everything tau, so this is SOP for me.

Will be happy to post a step by step of any conversions I do.

Cant wait to get started

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
One quick way to get around that that jumps to mind right away is dirge casters for CSM vehicles. It won't allow Tau to get their overwatch and in theory, no consolidation either.

Ha! as if a rhino with a dirge caster would ever made it that far across the field against my Tau army.

Dirge casters are a 5 pt vehicle upgrade that denies overwatch for any enemy unit within 6" of the vehicle.

6in you say. LEts see. The Marines come out, can assualt because they just got a vehicle. My tau comeout and shoot the lot of them, then the vehicle gets shot to death .

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
6in you say. LEts see. The Marines come out, can assualt because they just got a vehicle. My tau comeout and shoot the lot of them, then the vehicle gets shot to death .

Against Tau, this would only really stand a chance of success if you used a Land Raider. Drive the Raider up, guys jump out. Then, move the raider flat out in the shooting pahse to get it within 6" of the Tau line. Any other vehicle with less AV stands a good chance of becoming scrap against our mighty fish guns!

 Jayden63 wrote:
I don't exactly know why, but I think the disk top of the recon drone might just make a good Riptide head. its sleek enough not to destroy the height profile, yet looks like it has enough size, lights, cameras, etc. to do the job.

Sounds like a good solution, similar to these conversions:




Oh, and here another cheaper alternative to the Broadside:

I didnt know Alpha Joined the greater good.

Yeah... I don't think my Deathwing will have trouble against Tau. Drop Belial blob T1 and Raider rush the rest in.

If the Tau don't take out the blob, they will be in trouble.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
6in you say. LEts see. The Marines come out, can assualt because they just got a vehicle. My tau comeout and shoot the lot of them, then the vehicle gets shot to death .

Against Tau, this would only really stand a chance of success if you used a Land Raider. Drive the Raider up, guys jump out. Then, move the raider flat out in the shooting phase to get it within 6" of the Tau line. Any other vehicle with less AV stands a good chance of becoming scrap against our mighty fish guns!

Not even this really works. pg79 says that is you move the tank then disembark, the tank is not allowed to move again the rest of the turn.

I hope the Forgeworld Barracuda will make for a good counts-as on the new flyers, because I don't like them.

I also think the Forgeworld crisis suits are better since the GW ones haven't been re-designed, and i don't like them.

In fact, I think Forgeworld should fire up their burners in anticipation.

LOOK AT DEM!!!!!
http://warhammer-tau-army.blogspot.co.uk/

theninjabadger wrote:
LOOK AT DEM!!!!!
http://warhammer-tau-army.blogspot.co.uk/

You mean the same pictures that were already posted? Yep, we've seen them.

Way to drum up traffic for your site though.

 pretre wrote:

theninjabadger wrote:
LOOK AT DEM!!!!!
http://warhammer-tau-army.blogspot.co.uk/

You mean the same pictures that were already posted? Yep, we've seen them.

Way to drum up traffic for your site though.

Not my site but they were so awesome they had to be reposted so im gonna restart my tau now XD

The Riptide is looking like a very cool and customisable kit from these pictures.

Huh weapons seem to be interchangable.
Im going to have to get ALOT of magnets though.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
6in you say. LEts see. The Marines come out, can assualt because they just got a vehicle. My tau comeout and shoot the lot of them, then the vehicle gets shot to death .

Against Tau, this would only really stand a chance of success if you used a Land Raider. Drive the Raider up, guys jump out. Then, move the raider flat out in the shooting pahse to get it within 6" of the Tau line. Any other vehicle with less AV stands a good chance of becoming scrap against our mighty fish guns!

Yep, rhinos would generally get popped before someone could assault. Land raiders and other vehicles (including Defilers) can also purchase this. Using vehicles as mobile cover to block LOS or rushing a vehicle to cover a different unit from overwatch are likely better choices. Rushing rhinos on an open field against tau sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 Harriticus wrote:
Uggggh why couldn't they just give the Riptide a decent head. GW had to screw it up somehow.

I dunno. Looks perfect to me.

Looks like a guy in a giant robot suit.

If you try to project an anthropomorphic image onto it (i.e it IS a giant robot) then yes, the head is way too small.

I am sure aftermarket vendors (paulson, chapterhouse, etc.) will make new heads....just as they do now.

NOTE: I am not disagreeing that it is small for the body - it is. I am merely saying that it depends upon a person's perspective and expectation on what they feel about it.

 Medium of Death wrote:
The Riptide is looking like a very cool and customisable kit from these pictures.

Spoiler:

That one in the big picture is taking a knee.

Let that sink in...

Big model, taking a knee.

If that's possible I may just have to have my one standing one foot on a wrecked Dreadnought or other vehicle. Might be a bit more stable that way.

Couldn't see any rumours about Stealth Suits being moved to troops. Was there any indication that this is to be the case?

It's a shame it's looking like there won't be an option to make crisis suits troops.

Well part of it is the fact that the SS are now in the Battleforce, but only one otherr known troop is.

That flier looks excellent. Can't wait to see how my buddy paints his up.

Expect it to be delayed a bit, the new Dark Angels was meant to be released in Dec just before Xmas, but delayed to Jan.

LALALALALA *Sticks fingers in ears*
I cant hear you LALALALA

 TechmarineNic wrote:
Expect it to be delayed a bit, the new Dark Angels was meant to be released in Dec just before Xmas, but delayed to Jan.

Nope. These pictures are from the WD that will come out in the next 10 days. This means Tau pre-order on March 30th and general release on April 6th. This has been the patter for the last 6 months.

The more pictures that come out the more that the Riptide looks like what Rob Liefeld would draw if given the task to draw some Tau suits. Huge chest and arms with everything else hilariously out of proportion.

New Pathfinders look great and more and more seem like the only worthwhile new plastic kit.

New Farsight is great too but prepare for a high price due to finecast.

So, new drones:

Pulse Accelerator Drone (probably buffs pulse rifles)
Grav-enhancer(?) Drone (probably decreases charge ranges)
Recon Drone (slots into Devilfish)
Shielded Missile Drone (appears to be a Shield Drone with a Missile Pod, potentially unique to Riptide)
Two new indeterminate types of large drone mounted on the Flyers

I have only one complaint I hate the name Riptide. When did anyone ever think that sounds like a Tau sort of a name. really anything else could have been better.

From this point on I think I'll be calling it Supasuit, sounds better than Riptide!

How about the 'Goodinator suit'

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Does anyone know if we'll be seeing a plastic character?

The interview with Matt Holland specifically mentions "The Tau Commander's Enforcer Armor". so I would assume there's going to be a new plastic suit for the Commanders.

Enforcer armor sounds very good. very good indeed.

I hope the commander enforcer armor has the Matt Holland high collar armor like his crisis conversions.

The bodyguards legs and torso's look slightly different from the standard suits so maybe the new crisis is a recut sprue. The arms and weapons look exactly the same though so I could be crazy.

Overall I'm excited for anything that gets another xenos on the table. It's not a great time to be a loyalist MEQ player anyway and this is only going to make it worse

Dont know if these have been posted but oh well:

I for one am ridiculously excited for the Tau update. They've always been my favorite and every time i saw my cousin get a new codex for his armies i was always so jealous! Now its our turn. Honestly im hoping its so evenly balanced that only tau players really start picking em up. i dont wanna see a bunch of bandwagon donkey-caves picking up the codex because its broken. we'll see right?

as far as the new models? i dont like the flyer but i dont really like ANY tau vehicles or any vehicles for any army for that matter actually. hopefully its not a must have.

riptide is cool. needs a better name but its not too terrible. i was always surprised tau didnt have a big walker type thing in the army.

i hope the Aun'shi rumors are true because his fluff has always been my fav. i hope hes actually useable.

the broadsides stats are kinda lame decreasing in strength. i just kind of hope it has an upgrade to either make it S9 or 10. either would make me very happy.

overall though im looking forward to this release more than ive looked forward to just about any release in anything. i hope GW doesnt destroy the best freakin army out there lol

WOW!

A new Farsight model?! Seems like the Tau flyers have drones. The Riptide's is absolutely amazing, but I wish the head was bigger.

Thanks for the update!

Thoughts:

Flyer: I like it for a bomber, not so much for a fighter. Mine will probably end up being a mildly converted Barracuda. The primary thing that kills it for me is not the rails but the profile, FIGHTER WINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. The sheer forces put on a modern air superiority fighter, let alone one from the 41st millenium, would snap those wings like so many pretzels. But for a bomber the stability they give is perfect.

Riptide: I fething love it. My only complaint is with the head, and even then It kinda works. The apparent ability to customize sounds awesome. Hopefully either Farsight makes Battlesuits troops, or the Riptide can be taken as an additional part of the FOC choice.

Broadside Resculpt: After having gotten a better look at it with some of the more recent pictures, I like it. My only complaint with the forge world XV-8x suits has been that they use the crisis suit torso, which looks like crap and this looks like an alternative torso for them. I would have liked to see them remain S10 AP1 and gain skyfire but we can't have everything we want.

Pathfinders: Not too much to say, apart from the new drones sound interesting.

Farsight: This is what the crisis suit re sculpts should have been if they had happened. I like his apparent posability, I like his torso and I like his arms. Most likely what I will end up doing is getting his torso and the XV-89 and doing a lil' bit of kitbashing.

Overall I definitely want a Riptide, everything else, I'm waiting to see the Codex.

I just realized something. Farsight's suit is now right-handed!

 ceorron wrote:
I have only one complaint I hate the name Riptide. When did anyone ever think that sounds like a Tau sort of a name. really anything else could have been better.

From this point on I think I'll be calling it Supasuit, sounds better than Riptide!

I have said something like this in the thread before, but since how it looks like a mix of Gundam and Evangelion mostly to me, I was just gonna convert the heads and bodies of it maybe and just call it Tauvangelion,

 ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
I just realized something. Farsight's suit is now right-handed!

Might or might not - they often mirror image shots for better compostion or other reasons.

I have seen some of the riptide shots mirrored already...

Regardless, I think that it will be cool to see how usable he is. I have been playing tau a long time (and did not retire mine, thank you very much) and have to say that I never had a lot of desire to run him - this might be a fun new build...

Sigh.. do we really need to repost the same pics EVERY page as if it were the first time and then quoting ALL the pics just to say one line of commentary? We're all obviously web savvy enough to post on the internet.. turning back one or two pages shouldn't be that difficult nor should pruning posts.

 TheMind wrote:

Flyer: I like it for a bomber, not so much for a fighter. Mine will probably end up being a mildly converted Barracuda. The primary thing that kills it for me is not the rails but the profile, FIGHTER WINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. The sheer forces put on a modern air superiority fighter, let alone one from the 41st millenium, would snap those wings like so many pretzels. But for a bomber the stability they give is perfect.

You're awfully confident about the aerodynamics and structural strength of a fictional airplane designed to fly on other planets with unknown atmospheres using technology that doesn't exist currently made out of entirely fictional materials.


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 TheMind wrote:

Broadside Resculpt: After having gotten a better look at it with some of the more recent pictures, I like it. My only complaint with the forge world XV-8x suits has been that they use the crisis suit torso, which looks like crap

Forgeworld broadsides do not use the standard torso, only the forgeworld crisis suits do that.

Bobug wrote:
Stoked I like the riptide, I completely hated the idea of the them at first but after seeing the model im going to get one, I just wonder what the fluff explanation will be since they clearly cant fit into a manta, possibly bundles into an orca? :s

Also not sure if anyone noticed but the pathfinder "mystery weapon" looks like a miniature ion cannon, experimental kit for pathfinders maybe?

The Riptide is made when five Crisis suits lock together in the right configuration.

Hell my next wage packet is going straight towards a broadside, some pathfinders and a riptide

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Riptide is made when five Crisis suits lock together in the right configuration.

Which is funny, because I had been planning to do that for years now... and now I actually have an excuse

They must be five different colours: pink, yellow, red, blue and green.

Everytime i visit this thread, tim slows down.

@Killkrazy

You disappoint me. Here I was thinking you went with a Voltron joke only for it to turn into a Power Ranger joke. tsk tsk....

Anyone notice the twin fusion blasters on the shield?

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Killkrazy

You disappoint me. Here I was thinking you went with a Voltron joke only for it to turn into a Power Ranger joke. tsk tsk....

Power Rangers? Oh. I thought he was talking about Captain Planet.


(NSFW)

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Everytime i visit this thread, tim slows down.

Poor Tim.

So, why does the Riptide have giant speakers mounted on its nipples?

Also, am I the only one who wants to take off Farsight's sword and replace it with a picnic basket?

To broadcast propaganda.

 kronk wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Killkrazy

You disappoint me. Here I was thinking you went with a Voltron joke only for it to turn into a Power Ranger joke. tsk tsk....

Power Rangers? Oh. I thought he was talking about Captain Planet.

Spoiler:

(NSFW)

I didn't think there was a pink ring for captain planet....Could be wrong, it's been a decade and a half and my brain wasn't swift even at that age

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Everytime i visit this thread, tim slows down.

Who is Tim?

I've been follwing this thread for a while, lurking in wait. My buddy plays Tau (and the gf has picked up my Eldar as her first army). Man, I'm going to have to buy the Riptide just for the model. Fething sweet. But seriously, I'm a little excited for the updated codex and I don't even PLAY Tau.

Lol,, I mean "Time"
the 5th cant come soon enough.

With that pose, Farsight is going to get a beam scythe conversion

I gotta be honest, those Riptides look amazing...


just...wow....

 TheGreyJedi wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Everytime i visit this thread, tim slows down.

Who is Tim?

Don't speak of him, he was baned.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 TheGreyJedi wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Everytime i visit this thread, tim slows down.

Who is Tim?

Don't speak of him, he was baned.

What, like Batman?

It sounds like they changed Farsight's fluff quite a bit. I'm not even sure he still has the Dawn Blade anymore based on his description, it's been downgraded to a mere "power glaive" as opposed to some mysterious artifact, and even looks like it was manufactured by the Tau themselves because of the extra bits glued on.

Not sure I like all the retconning going on.

Lul, With all the prices, I went to the Calculater and made a shopping list of all the things i want and when im going to buy them.

 Magc8Ball wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 TheGreyJedi wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Everytime i visit this thread, tim slows down.

Who is Tim?

Don't speak of him, he was baned.

What, like Batman?

Who's that? Some sort of baseball-themed superhero?

 Sidstyler wrote:
It sounds like they changed Farsight's fluff quite a bit. I'm not even sure he still has the Dawn Blade anymore based on his description, it's been downgraded to a mere "power glaive" as opposed to some mysterious artifact, and even looks like it was manufactured by the Tau themselves because of the extra bits glued on.

Not sure I like all the retconning going on.

Maybe because it was a low level purple item looted of the ground and the entire Imperium laughed as his stats. So he vendor'd the 'Dawn blade' and got a yellow off the AH with similar stats.

 Sidstyler wrote:
It sounds like they changed Farsight's fluff quite a bit. I'm not even sure he still has the Dawn Blade anymore based on his description, it's been downgraded to a mere "power glaive" as opposed to some mysterious artifact, and even looks like it was manufactured by the Tau themselves because of the extra bits glued on.

Not sure I like all the retconning going on.

Yeah, it'd be lame if they took away Dawn Blade...

First time I've seen those pictures big enough to actually read the text.

Pathfinders come with a ton load of bits to get creative with, which is nice. Love the models and always loved their fluff.

Riptide is just...wow. It will be the biggest bullet magnet in the world but I don't care because it looks stupidly good AND it has a crap load of guns on it. 2 Plasma, 2 Missile Pods AND it's huge gun?!!? And drones - with more missiles. Notice in the description he mentions it helps out fellow T'au by shielding them with itself/energy fields. I wonder if it has buffs for other units nearby? I.E Cover etc. Seems interesting.

TAKE MY FETHING MONEY NOW GW. Evil corporate dividend paying barstools.

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 TheMind wrote:

Flyer: I like it for a bomber, not so much for a fighter. Mine will probably end up being a mildly converted Barracuda. The primary thing that kills it for me is not the rails but the profile, FIGHTER WINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. The sheer forces put on a modern air superiority fighter, let alone one from the 41st millenium, would snap those wings like so many pretzels. But for a bomber the stability they give is perfect.

You're awfully confident about the aerodynamics and structural strength of a fictional airplane designed to fly on other planets with unknown atmospheres using technology that doesn't exist currently made out of entirely fictional materials.


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 TheMind wrote:

Broadside Resculpt: After having gotten a better look at it with some of the more recent pictures, I like it. My only complaint with the forge world XV-8x suits has been that they use the crisis suit torso, which looks like crap

Forgeworld broadsides do not use the standard torso, only the forgeworld crisis suits do that.

First point: The point of the delta wing/variable wing/forward-swept wing designs is that they introduce inherent instability to the airframe of the fighter, which is good, because it makes the plane easier to throw into different maneuvers. Straight wing planes like the majority of the WWII aircraft are inherently stable airframes, excellent for things that require stability such as bombing and CAS but bad for actual maneuvering with any degree of haste or tightness. Thus, straight wings are great for something like the Sunshark bomber, but terrible for the Razorfish, which is why I will be converting a Barracuda instead.

Second Point: By XV-8x suits I meant the XV-83, XV-85 and XV-89. Either the broadside torso or the farsight torso would make fantastic torso swaps to actually make them look good.

Having had a look at the new Tau stuff, (Tau were my first army so im getting interested in collecting them again)
The Riptide is going to have the same problems as the crisis suit,

WEAK ANKLES!

Its a hugely over sized torso with massive legs on tiny spindly ankles in scale. The crisis suit had that problem and im sure the Riptide will follow.

I don't know, I think the Forge World kits make the Crisis suits look great. Even with the original torso.

They give such a range of motion and pose-ability that it's hard not to love them, imho.


I think the fighter/bomber point is fairly accurate, although I think you'll struggle to proxy a Barracuda for the fighter.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I don't know, I think the Forge World kits make the Crisis suits look great. Even with the original torso.

They give such a range of motion and pose-ability that it's hard not to love them, imho.

Spoiler:

I think the fighter/bomber point is fairly accurate, although I think you'll struggle to proxy a Barracuda for the fighter.

Would depend on the size difference, if any. But I would like to see what that Farsight torso looks like with the XV-89 legs/legs and arms. My modellers sense is tingling, and the last time this happened I ended up with my favorite model that I've done so far, so I'm going to listen to it.

Well, that settles it, I am making a Tau army. I love the new farsight model.

Only thing that will bother me is that none of my fire warriors have the little ear piece thing.

Has anyone spotted prices for the farsight model?

just because I'm not looking back through 30 pages and because I can I'm posting this here

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-98t4fMKH6AU/TuAi5FZJyRI/AAAAAAAAFU8/pWc-_4vYYeA/s1600/Hyman_copy.JPG

Tau can call down fortifications? why not call down a bigger suit tengen toppa gurren lagann style

cjharrisman wrote:
Having had a look at the new Tau stuff, (Tau were my first army so im getting interested in collecting them again)
The Riptide is going to have the same problems as the crisis suit,

WEAK ANKLES!

Its a hugely over sized torso with massive legs on tiny spindly ankles in scale. The crisis suit had that problem and im sure the Riptide will follow.

The legs appear to be ball and socket jointed at the hip, knee and ankle and it can be modelled as if it is kneeling down.

It might be a good idea to do this as it won't tower over everything else and actually get cover.

I am so going to get some Tau allies for my Necron army. I don't give a damn, I am playing with that riptide suit. I mean, wow, just WOW, I look at that beautiful and delicious thing, and I just want to build it, paint it and field it! What a beautiful mech

Barrywise wrote:
just because I'm not looking back through 30 pages and because I can I'm posting this here

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-98t4fMKH6AU/TuAi5FZJyRI/AAAAAAAAFU8/pWc-_4vYYeA/s1600/Hyman_copy.JPG

Tau can call down fortifications? why not call down a bigger suit tengen toppa gurren lagann style

Full size pic of whatever that is please?

I must see it.

Puscifer wrote:

Barrywise wrote:
just because I'm not looking back through 30 pages and because I can I'm posting this here

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-98t4fMKH6AU/TuAi5FZJyRI/AAAAAAAAFU8/pWc-_4vYYeA/s1600/Hyman_copy.JPG

Tau can call down fortifications? why not call down a bigger suit tengen toppa gurren lagann style

Full size pic of whatever that is please?

I must see it.

Yo, Dawg. I hear you like battlesuits...

Nah, just robots.

All you haters of Riptiny's little head should just be grateful that he even HAS a head, and doesn't have an angry baby strapped to his chest.

Puscifer wrote:

cjharrisman wrote:
Having had a look at the new Tau stuff, (Tau were my first army so im getting interested in collecting them again)
The Riptide is going to have the same problems as the crisis suit,

WEAK ANKLES!

Its a hugely over sized torso with massive legs on tiny spindly ankles in scale. The crisis suit had that problem and im sure the Riptide will follow.

The legs appear to be ball and socket jointed at the hip, knee and ankle and it can be modelled as if it is kneeling down.

It might be a good idea to do this as it won't tower over everything else and actually get cover.

Yeah, I would be far more worried about Farsight's 'Fine'cast ankle.

Looking at the pictures of the pathfinders it appears like they have some sort of new weapon(or atleast one that I can't identify) besides the carbine and rail rifle.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601386_576604289017487_421049212_n.jpg

On the page on the right, the pathfinder all the way on the left has some sort of weapon that almost looks like a bazooka?

Any ideas on what it is?

 insaniak wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

cjharrisman wrote:
Having had a look at the new Tau stuff, (Tau were my first army so im getting interested in collecting them again)
The Riptide is going to have the same problems as the crisis suit,

WEAK ANKLES!

Its a hugely over sized torso with massive legs on tiny spindly ankles in scale. The crisis suit had that problem and im sure the Riptide will follow.

The legs appear to be ball and socket jointed at the hip, knee and ankle and it can be modelled as if it is kneeling down.

It might be a good idea to do this as it won't tower over everything else and actually get cover.

Yeah, I would be far more worried about Farsight's 'Fine'cast ankle.

Totally agree.

It'a a small Ion weapon of some sort. It has the same little spokes that the large ion cannon has.

Sandinistato wrote:
Looking at the pictures of the pathfinders it appears like they have some sort of new weapon(or atleast one that I can't identify) besides the carbine and rail rifle.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601386_576604289017487_421049212_n.jpg

On the page on the right, the pathfinder all the way at the top has some sort of weapon that almost looks like a bazooka?

Any ideas on what it is?

Mentioned earlier that the Tau are experimenting more with Ion tech. This might be one of those experiments.

Sandinistato wrote:
Looking at the pictures of the pathfinders it appears like they have some sort of new weapon(or atleast one that I can't identify) besides the carbine and rail rifle.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601386_576604289017487_421049212_n.jpg

On the page on the right, the pathfinder all the way at the top has some sort of weapon that almost looks like a bazooka?

Any ideas on what it is?

That's the new experimental Ion Rifle the Pathfinders are getting. Hopefully it's either an AP3/4 weapon or EMP/Haywire.

EDIT Ninja'd

Some one pointed that out a few pages back. its probably an ion weapon they where speaking about.

Edit: damn triple ninjaed

 MechaBeast wrote:

Sandinistato wrote:
Looking at the pictures of the pathfinders it appears like they have some sort of new weapon(or atleast one that I can't identify) besides the carbine and rail rifle.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601386_576604289017487_421049212_n.jpg

On the page on the right, the pathfinder all the way at the top has some sort of weapon that almost looks like a bazooka?

Any ideas on what it is?

Mentioned earlier that the Tau are experimenting more with Ion tech. This might be one of those experiments.

Ah okay now that you mention it it does look like an ion weapon, I wonder if Fire warriors will have access to any special weapons now that Pathfinders are getting new ones, would be even nicer if they became troops!


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 Desubot wrote:
Some one pointed that out a few pages back. its probably an ion weapon they where speaking about.

Edit: damn triple ninjaed

Oh okay! Sorry I skimmed the last few pages and didn't notice anyone had mentioned it.

 Sidstyler wrote:
It sounds like they changed Farsight's fluff quite a bit. I'm not even sure he still has the Dawn Blade anymore based on his description, it's been downgraded to a mere "power glaive" as opposed to some mysterious artifact, and even looks like it was manufactured by the Tau themselves because of the extra bits glued on.

Not sure I like all the retconning going on.

Last I remember they removed AunShi as a character because he had been sent to bring Farsight 'back into the fold'.

Maybe he's succeeded? Hence Aun Shi is also back into the codex (fingers crossed) Hang-on that means it's not a retcon, GW actually moved a plot line forward for once!

Cheers

Andrew


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That C3 drone has me slightly worried. If it's designed to fit into the cupola hole on a D'fish, that means that the burst cannon is hinged to fold back. (It looks that way in the photo to me). If that unfolds while it's in the D'fish, it's going to be a bugger to get out.

Cheers

Andrew

 Medium of Death wrote:
I don't know, I think the Forge World kits make the Crisis suits look great. Even with the original torso.

They give such a range of motion and pose-ability that it's hard not to love them, imho.

Spoiler:

I suspect that the chief difference is that the Forgeworld conversion kits appear to visually extend the arms by the way they make the weapon mounts look more like part of the arms, while beefing up the legs. The end result is a crisis suit whose limbs aren't ridiculously out of proportion to its body, unlike the stock kit.

This is what I never got about all the people saying XV-8s look just like Gundams. Gundams tend to be very long-legged, have tiny torsos, and giant arms, creating the appearance of a lithe, athletic robot samurai. A stock XV-8 wouldn't even be able to touch it's own chest, it's arms are so tiny. And it's legs are so tiny. They literally have the opposite proportions. So how are they like Gundams, apart from that they are both robots?

I kinda like what I am seeing, certainly better than the latest releases. I am not a fan of the flyers one bit but everything else is decent. Pathfinders are bound to be good, Farsight looks great and the Riptide just needs some chunkier ankles and a more even distribution of weapons to be a really impressive centerpiece.

That being said it has also brought the FW Tau back to my attention and I would probably buy some of that stuff before the GW kits, especially this beauty.



Shame they didn't take more inspiration from FW actually, especially in the flyer area.

Here's my personal opinion on the new stuff:

Sunshark Bomber/Fighter - Looks pretty awesome. I can see where they're going for with the whole "drone-fighter" look, bit like the Reaper/Predator drones of today, although the top mounted missiles look a bit daft.

Riptide - Again, the only fault I can see with this one is the ridiculously tiny head, although it shouldn't be too hard to convert a larger one.

Farsight - Much better, although personally I didn't think an upgrade was necessary.

Broadsides - Haven't seen enough to pass judgement yet.

Pathfinders - Nothing spectacular, but it's nice to see them in plastic finally.

Overall, I think GW have actually pulled it off this time, given some of the abyssmal stuff they've done recently, I think they've actually done well this time, might convince me to build up a small allied detachment.

I am not a fan of the riptide, but i will say this, remove the tiny head, it requires non, on a mecha than large, the optics would be integrated in the suit all over. If this is all that is new, i am dissapoint, i wanted a expansion on the kroot and the auxillaries, instead of added more illogical tau units.

 insaniak wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

cjharrisman wrote:
Having had a look at the new Tau stuff, (Tau were my first army so im getting interested in collecting them again)
The Riptide is going to have the same problems as the crisis suit,

WEAK ANKLES!

Its a hugely over sized torso with massive legs on tiny spindly ankles in scale. The crisis suit had that problem and im sure the Riptide will follow.

The legs appear to be ball and socket jointed at the hip, knee and ankle and it can be modelled as if it is kneeling down.

It might be a good idea to do this as it won't tower over everything else and actually get cover.

Yeah, I would be far more worried about Farsight's 'Fine'cast ankle.

Finecankle?

Actually imho a big problem with the riptides head is, that it's painted white unlike the other parts of the suit, so it really catches the eye and you instantly see that it's rather small compared to the whole suit. If you would paint it the same it would not stand out so much.

See I don't have a problem with the small head. I don't even see why it needs to be large. Why would the tau create a large head anyways? It is not like the camera inside of the head that feeds to video to the pilot needs to be large because the machine is large. That would just make it an easy target.

 Lord Scythican wrote:
See I don't have a problem with the small head. I don't even see why it needs to be large. Why would the tau create a large head anyways? It is not like the camera inside of the head that feeds to video to the pilot needs to be large because the machine is large. That would just make it an easy target.

This. All the people that want the thing to have a bigger head are just asking for somebody to blow it off and then they'll be unable to pilot the stupid thing.

 agnosto wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:
See I don't have a problem with the small head. I don't even see why it needs to be large. Why would the tau create a large head anyways? It is not like the camera inside of the head that feeds to video to the pilot needs to be large because the machine is large. That would just make it an easy target.

This. All the people that want the thing to have a bigger head are just asking for somebody to blow it off and then they'll be unable to pilot the stupid thing.

And yet people are complaining about the flyer being unrealistic using the same argument. I think it's safer to say that people are just trying to find whats wrong with the models and aren't looking at the good points much.

agnosto wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:
See I don't have a problem with the small head. I don't even see why it needs to be large. Why would the tau create a large head anyways? It is not like the camera inside of the head that feeds to video to the pilot needs to be large because the machine is large. That would just make it an easy target.

This. All the people that want the thing to have a bigger head are just asking for somebody to blow it off and then they'll be unable to pilot the stupid thing.

I agree. The head is really just the same size, the rest of the suit is just massive. As long as that head can see a large field of vision, it is perfectly fine.

I just feel it's proportionately awkward to look at. I'll be not enlarging the head, but giving it a design more fitting for the size of the mecha

Head looks funny and cool at the same time, and it doesn't even need one. And this is the Tau, so the earth caste engineer that said Hey, lets add a head! is brushing the community rooms with a toothbrush.

I'm kind of happy the heads are so small, because I'm missing a crisis suit head and the Riptide comes with two extra.

 Ledabot wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:
See I don't have a problem with the small head. I don't even see why it needs to be large. Why would the tau create a large head anyways? It is not like the camera inside of the head that feeds to video to the pilot needs to be large because the machine is large. That would just make it an easy target.

This. All the people that want the thing to have a bigger head are just asking for somebody to blow it off and then they'll be unable to pilot the stupid thing.

And yet people are complaining about the flyer being unrealistic using the same argument. I think it's safer to say that people are just trying to find whats wrong with the models and aren't looking at the good points much.

I agree. People complain to complain. Personally from what I have seen of the tau's design methods, they are not too keen on large windows and easily destroyable viewpoints. Kind of like the prefer murder holes. I would imagine they have small sensors all over their craft that display internal holographic projects of everything around them. Pretty smart tactic if you ask me.

 YotsubaSnake wrote:
I just feel it's proportionately awkward to look at. I'll be not enlarging the head, but giving it a design more fitting for the size of the mecha

I think that's because you expect it to be a helmet for someone's head when in fact it's just a sensor suite. Robotech and Gundam all have proportional heads for no reason than pure aesthetics; I like functional better.

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
Head looks funny and cool at the same time, and it doesn't even need one. And this is the Tau, so the earth caste engineer that said Hey, lets add a head! is brushing the community rooms with a toothbrush.

Actually from what I understand, Tau Battlesuits need a head. The Tau are jacked into the suit, and it becomes an extension of their body. Thus when a Tau would look around, they move the suit's head instead of their own. It would both be disconcerting and counter productive for you to try and look around and instead find that your head has become fused to your body.

On the note of the new Riptide, I really hope it has some good survivability since it looks to be about 7-8 inches tall and a major gun magnet.

 agnosto wrote:

 YotsubaSnake wrote:
I just feel it's proportionately awkward to look at. I'll be not enlarging the head, but giving it a design more fitting for the size of the mecha

I think that's because you expect it to be a helmet for someone's head when in fact it's just a sensor suite. Robotech and Gundam all have proportional heads for no reason than pure aesthetics; I like functional better.

It's not even that, I feel that the head could be about that size but needs to be something more balanced for the size of the mech instead of an unusually tiny sensor head stuck on top.

you wonder why tau have bs3 some times.

 Desubot wrote:
you wonder why tau have bs3 some times.

Stormtrooper effect.

 Commander Cain wrote:
I kinda like what I am seeing, certainly better than the latest releases. I am not a fan of the flyers one bit but everything else is decent. Pathfinders are bound to be good, Farsight looks great and the Riptide just needs some chunkier ankles and a more even distribution of weapons to be a really impressive centerpiece.

That being said it has also brought the FW Tau back to my attention and I would probably buy some of that stuff before the GW kits, especially this beauty.



Shame they didn't take more inspiration from FW actually, especially in the flyer area.

I'm probably one of the few... but I can't stand those XV9 Suits. The legs look awful.

I think the worst part of the XV9s are the legs. No matter who makes them, tau just don't got leg.

The sheer size of the Riptide gives me hope for the next Tyranid book. That thing dwarfs even the Tervigon, which is already the biggest non tank outside of Apocalypse.

Anybody here anything about kroot?

Info on the Kroot and Vespid seems to be lacking at the moment. If anyone finds out anything it'll get posted. So stay tuned.

I'm willing to lay odds that Kroot and Vespid are gone for now. That in order for Tau players to field their army we are going to have to buy 2 books. Also bet that the Tau Codex will be $50 until June and then go up to $52 +. The Allies codex will probably be $35 +. Not a rumour, just my opinion.

Two books will be a deal breaker for me.....(Unless I buy the codex and then get a "shared" copy with my mates).


The Rip-tide(Hate the name, would have preferred a name like "Suppression" or "Firestorm") looks to have more weapon options than have been mentioned.
I see the base plasma set up in the pic with the large burst cannon, see the Ion upgrade and another weapon that looks like a giant plasma weapon or some type of rail weapon.???? The mystery option looks a bit like one of the xv9 weapons.

Agree with those that say the head is too small, am planning on using a spare hammerhead targeter(Chin turret optics/sensors) with a cut off pirahna nose to convert a new head.


Yay, Crisis suits stay the same. The 15+ suits that I never assembled after 5th ed dropped will now be built.(still don't plan on playing 6th ed, will use in house ruled 5th ed & 5th ed apoc games).


I already have 30+ pathfinders but may get some of the new ones for the drones and ion weapons. Will have to see if the rules warrant a purchase.


Broadsides??? Will use Forge World XV88's or the XV 9 that looks like it carries a rail type weapon. Will be cheaper and better looking, imo.


Hammerheads look to be a non-use unit unless Sky Rays become a transport or are moved out of heavy slot.


Sky Rays sound like the unit of choice in Heavy Support right now but this depends on the accuracy of the rumours and what the Sky Rays rules/missiles end up being.


The fliers? As others have said, they dont fit with the Tau look. From the front they look like a mix of Predator Drones and WWII Stukas ...only with a sad face. Got a feeling that the real reason to buy the kit will be for the interceptor drones. These drones modded to fit onto my barracudas might just work. (Again, will have to wait for the rules to better understand why I would want to buy this kit. )


All in all, I see some possibilities in these rumours but only if Burst Cannons, Fusion Blasters and Pulse Carbines have been improved.
If the Kroot and Vespid get left out for now then the Tau units will have to be really good for the army to be playable after the Railgun "repurposing/nerf". Though, this begs the question, If Tau are competitive/playable without the Kroot and Vespid, then why would we need them later?

Faeit 212 rumors says that release date is April 6'th, it is written in WD from where those pictures comes from.

Glad I'm not the only one who's fine with the head. I might actually be upset if it were much larger.

I'm grateful to be in the crowd that's happy about these new models, (except the flyer, but I never really planned to use one anyway... It looks like the Tau looted an Ork Fighta Bomba for F sakes...) as well as SUPER excited about new rules. It sounds like Tau are finally getting some long overdue versatility. For fluff sakes, they SHOULD be the most technologically versatile race in the game...

Sorry guys, reposted by my mistake.

The Riptide is designed to plug gaps in the Tau lines. He can give covering fire, or shield his allies with covering fire. The Riptide has some sort of generator or experimental reactor that can reroute its power to different systems at the start of each turn, either going faster or higher strength shooting or an invul save.

I can confirm Farsight does indeed have a new model. The feet are bigger like Sahdowsun

It's more dynamic than the old model. It has him flying/dropping in, one foot held up by a rock, like the new Chaos Warp Talons. He's using the shield to block, and the arm is held out straight. Very cool looking. He has like a "banzai" ribbon tied around his left leg.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:
The Riptide is designed to plug gaps in the Tau lines. He can give covering fire, or shield his allies with covering fire. The Riptide has some sort of generator or experimental reactor that can reroute its power to different systems at the start of each turn, either going faster or higher strength shooting or an invul save.

I can confirm Farsight does indeed have a new model. The feet are bigger like Sahdowsun

It's more dynamic than the old model. It has him flying/dropping in, one foot held up by a rock, like the new Chaos Warp Talons. He's using the shield to block, and the arm is held out straight. Very cool looking. He has like a "banzai" ribbon tied around his left leg.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

The farsight pics have been posted multiple times in the thread.. just an FYI. Look two pages back for the most recent.

Sigh. Yet another MC that gaks all over the Carnifex ability and cost wise.

 -Loki- wrote:
Sigh. Yet another MC that gaks all over the Carnifex ability and cost wise.

Yeah, cause its not like that's been going since 2010 or anything

Still no confirmation of what the second troops choice is in the battleforce?

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Sigh. Yet another MC that gaks all over the Carnifex ability and cost wise.

Yeah, cause its not like that's been going since 2010 or anything

:( Indeed.


Actually come to think about it, I'd hazard a guess that the fluff for the Riptide fluff is that it is the Tau's reaction to the pressing Tyranid problem, as a way of handling themselves against the huge bioforms of the Tyranid army. Especially as the pictures in the WD have them fighting Nids

That's a pretty good explanation.

 Snrub wrote:
That's a pretty good explanation.

It was the first thing that came to my mind when people were saying it goes against everything Tau. They are a very adaptive and devolping race.

So what's the idea then? They had to build giant suits to wrestle with trygons a la Pacific Rim, because blowing holes in them with their other war machines didn't cut it?

Well they out adapted a hive fleet. So yeah...


Hmm ill put good odds on that being why riptide was developed. To combat Gorgon.

I like the way Snrub thinks.

 Sidstyler wrote:
So what's the idea then? They had to build giant suits to wrestle with trygons a la Pacific Rim, because blowing holes in them with their other war machines didn't cut it?

Nids are very hard to keep at range, like the Tau want to do with their enemies, with the spore pods, and burrowing big scary things, so maybe they needed a suit that could engage these big things, and allow the rest of the force to make a tactical retreat. I'll even hazard a guess that it gets hit and run.

 Sidstyler wrote:
So what's the idea then? They had to build giant suits to wrestle with trygons a la Pacific Rim, because blowing holes in them with their other war machines didn't cut it?

Not wrestle, but pretty much. The fluff for the new suit is that The Tau like the style of mobile warfare that XV-8s provide, but they kept running into things the crisis suits couldn't handle. So the XV104 was built with heavier weapons and better armor/shields so it could serve to plug gaps in the line and draw the attention of big nasties away from the smaller crisis suits. It also has an experimental reactor which boosts its power, but isn't perfected yet, so potentially doses the pilot with radiation, though the pilots accept that risk to protect their comrades and buy time for the Tau to perfect the reactor design and new weapons systems.

Seems like the overcharge reactor will be the thing to allow for the supercharged plasma large blast or 3++ shielding, but has to make a gets hot roll when you use it.

Puscifer wrote:
Still no confirmation of what the second troops choice is in the battleforce?

There's a pic of the new battleforce somewhere in this thread. It has Firewarriors, Pathfinders, three Crisis Suits, and a Piranha.

 Breotan wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Still no confirmation of what the second troops choice is in the battleforce?

There's a pic of the new battleforce somewhere in this thread. It has Firewarriors, Pathfinders, three Crisis Suits, and a Piranha.

I'm aware of what is in there, but since all Battleforces have at least two Troops Choices (except the Ravenwing one), that means that one of the other units in the box is a Troops Choice.

It would be very odd for there to be only one.

Just split the 12 man squad into 2 6 man squads. Easy ;p

Puscifer wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Still no confirmation of what the second troops choice is in the battleforce?

There's a pic of the new battleforce somewhere in this thread. It has Firewarriors, Pathfinders, three Crisis Suits, and a Piranha.

I'm aware of what is in there, but since all Battleforces have at least two Troops Choices (except the Ravenwing one), that means that one of the other units in the box is a Troops Choice.

It would be very odd for there to be only one.

All of the old Battleforces do/did.The 6th Ed Chaos and the Dark Angels haven't, not sure about the Daemons one though.

Puscifer wrote:

I'm aware of what is in there, but since all Battleforces have at least two Troops Choices (except the Ravenwing one), that means that one of the other units in the box is a Troops Choice.

It would be very odd for there to be only one.

Odd because all of the battle forces include two... Except for the one that doesn't...?

So, I like that idea for the riptide fluff. kinda makes sense. Also makes sense that it could get HnR as well.

On a side note.

Why does tau not have melee drones?? im not saying super melee unit but something that doesnt auto lose in CC. Makes sense they wouldnt waste a Tau life in melee. Why not a Samurai dedicated melee drone? Something that could could charge or take a charge from a lot of things and maybe even win?

Eldercaveman wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Still no confirmation of what the second troops choice is in the battleforce?

There's a pic of the new battleforce somewhere in this thread. It has Firewarriors, Pathfinders, three Crisis Suits, and a Piranha.

I'm aware of what is in there, but since all Battleforces have at least two Troops Choices (except the Ravenwing one), that means that one of the other units in the box is a Troops Choice.

It would be very odd for there to be only one.

All of the old Battleforces do/did.The 6th Ed Chaos and the Dark Angels haven't, not sure about the Daemons one though.

Wow, you're right. Looks like a new trend then with 6th ed ones.

Wolfnid420 wrote:
So, I like that idea for the riptide fluff. kinda makes sense. Also makes sense that it could get HnR as well.

On a side note.

Why does tau not have melee drones?? im not saying super melee unit but something that doesnt auto lose in CC. Makes sense they wouldnt waste a Tau life in melee. Why not a Samurai dedicated melee drone? Something that could could charge or take a charge from a lot of things and maybe even win?

You could argue that for eveything Tau though, why not just have drones and robots fight all their battles controlled from safe distances?

Eldercaveman wrote:


You could argue that for eveything Tau though, why not just have drones and robots fight all their battles controlled from safe distances?

Well, because (at least by the old Codex) they are a fairly war-like Race which was on the verge of annihilating itself through their own wars before the Ethereal showed up.

For that reason alone, they should probably be more on the front-lines than more docile races - say Dark Eldar or Orks - who don't generally wipe themselves out completely, no matter how much infighting is going on

 Zweischneid wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:


You could argue that for eveything Tau though, why not just have drones and robots fight all their battles controlled from safe distances?

Well, because (at least by the old Codex) they are a fairly war-like Race which was on the verge of annihilating itself through their own wars before the Ethereal showed up.

For that reason alone, they should probably be more on the front-lines than more docile races - say Dark Eldar or Orks - who don't generally wipe themselves out completely, no matter how much infighting is going on

True but their fighting doctrines do try to minimise casualties.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:


You could argue that for eveything Tau though, why not just have drones and robots fight all their battles controlled from safe distances?

Well, because (at least by the old Codex) they are a fairly war-like Race which was on the verge of annihilating itself through their own wars before the Ethereal showed up.

For that reason alone, they should probably be more on the front-lines than more docile races - say Dark Eldar or Orks - who don't generally wipe themselves out completely, no matter how much infighting is going on

True but their fighting doctrines do try to minimize casualties.

Also consider that they don't have the resources to expend drones like candy.

Drones are repairable, lives aren't replaceable, but I guess if it was for the greater good, it was all worth it. I suppose this is where there caste system comes in useful. Ensuring the only lives expended in battle are the soldiers.

 Sidstyler wrote:
So what's the idea then? They had to build giant suits to wrestle with trygons a la Pacific Rim, because blowing holes in them with their other war machines didn't cut it?

Except it wouldn't provide the excuse for a new kit.

Eldercaveman wrote:
Drones are repairable, lives aren't replaceable, but I guess if it was for the greater good, it was all worth it. I suppose this is where there caste system comes in useful. Ensuring the only lives expended in battle are the soldiers.

For the Greater Good. For the Emperor. For the Blood God. For God. For the Nation. For God and Country. For the King. For Freedom. For the Clan. For my Family. Etc..


Getting yourself killed never makes sense unless you believe in some sort of communitarian idea that makes it dying (or killing) worth it for you.

leaked riptide development pics


on a serious note, I like the tau stuff. I am really happy about the rate of the releases. I am just glad i am away from home so the temptation to buy stuff is smaller. through i just added $300 worth of prepainted dark angels (7 dudes) to a friends deathwing army so I can play in a tourney over here in Japan.
once i catch up on my paint(so never). I will start a tau army but with demons and CSM needing love it might be a while.

 Zweischneid wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Drones are repairable, lives aren't replaceable, but I guess if it was for the greater good, it was all worth it. I suppose this is where there caste system comes in useful. Ensuring the only lives expended in battle are the soldiers.

For the Greater Good. For the Emperor. For the Blood God. For God. For the Nation. For God and Country. For the King. For Freedom. For the Clan. For my Family. Etc..


Getting yourself killed never makes sense unless you believe in some sort of communitarian idea that makes it dying (or killing) worth it for you.

You forgot for Sparta.

For people who don't like the name Riptide: One German translation is "Brandungsrückströmung"

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:Faeit 212 rumors says that release date is April 6'th, it is written in WD from where those pictures comes from.

That's what everybody said before you posted "Release in June" (still in the title BTW)

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:Via Kirby over on 3++

Again, joining this thread once a day and reposting rumours of this thread without checking, is not a good idea.
If the rumour is older than 12 hours, it is most likely posted here.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Again, joining this thread once a day and reposting rumours of this thread without checking, is not a good idea.

I did check, this rumor was not previously posted. No need to 'overwatch' my posts.

Rented Tritium wrote:http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/03/more-tau-picturez/

From the comments. User: Kirby

Skyray can shoot and ground and air targets (one assumes at full BS).

Stealthsuits are better at overwatching shooting at BS2 (yay...).

Special character is "like" Chronus for tanks.

Tank Hunters. Potential cover boost. Tank can overwatch.

Hammerhead roughly 160-170 WITH character.

Special Pathfinder - Nightstrider.

Shadowsun has split fire. Maybe.

Riptide roughly is T6/W4/2 Sv/5 invul with the special option working on a 3 or higher (i.e. 3plusplus , better blast, etc.). Around 175 pts with Ion Cannon (S8 Ap2 blast; super charge takes to S9?).

Maybe more than 4 wounds - 5 wounds!? And more gun options outside of Ion cannon - supporting missile pods?

Fast Attack is where new fliers are going and we still have Pathfinders and Piranhas (which are cheaper I think).

All Ion weapons have a 'supercharge' option but at a risk (gets hot?). Drones can have Ion weapons.

Interceptor drones are in!

Repulsor field. D6 s4 ap- hits to attacking units at I10

Supporting fire allows other Tau units within 6" to overwatch a charging unit as well. Not sure if this is all Tau units or just specific types.

Markerlights are for all intents and purposes, the same. Buff BS, remove cover. BS can be buffed for Overwatch but not sure if this counts for Skyfire, too.

There is somethign called.... puretide engram neurochip.

6 different types of drones.

Grav inhibitor
pulse accelerator
recon drone (which can fit in the turret cupola of a devikfish and provide communication relays and fire support)

Cadre Fireblade -

IC with split fire, markerlight, supporting fire, volley fire (+1 shot for Pulse Rifles/Carbines if unit and IC do not move).

Upgrade for Fire Warrior units - not sure if an actual IC or just has LoS! properties, etc.

Kroothawk wrote:More by Kriby on 3++ http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/03/more-tau-picturez/ . Summary:

On Pathfinders: They compete with fliers so I'm guessing no option to move them and they stay in Fast Attack.

On Riptide: Elite.

On Kroot/Vespides: No new info.
There were some solid thoughts on Kroot before with rules, etc. but since they might not have new models soon, they might not want to showcase them. But yes, quite possibly they have been cut until this silly ally supplement book which would be frustrating but that would be very strange as GW generally never removes units from books. Squats being the exception.

On XV88: 85 pts gets S8 AP1 Skyfire for Broadsides; same statline; railguns are now S8 Ap1 base – rail cannons are S10 AP1. They don't lose Overwatch and they can still shoot at the ground at full BS. Not sure if they have S&P.
The way the ruling works is at the beginning of the shooting phase they can choose to have skyfire or not.
Yes the railgun has been nerfed though.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Again, joining this thread once a day and reposting rumours of this thread without checking, is not a good idea.

I did check, this rumor was not previously posted. No need to 'overwatch' my posts.

No, you didn't check ... twice.

What page?
And those clearly are not two same posts. Word by word same.

edit: I found it on page 34 and you were right, had to much beer last night you got excuse me for that
I haven't found your post dough... can you point me to it so that I can update 1'st page?

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Differences in quotes because we quoted the original source, you the summary by Natfka.

On topic:

Neko wrote:The new cover is of a Crisis suit. The suit is posed with one leg on a boulder, whilst shooting a target to the suit's right with a fusion blaster.

And all Tau leak pics uploaded to Dakka have been deleted as well. Only those taken from other websites persist.

 Kroothawk wrote:
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Differences in quotes because we quoted the original source, you the summary by Natfka.

Thanks

Thinking about the D fish and pathfinders,specifically the new drone that is supposed to sit in the cupola might stop me giving the fish to another unit as they may make it dedicated to the path squad. Not sure if i like that.

Bro Cap, don't argue this one, I saw the same thing kroothawk say. You re-posted rumors that were already there. Make the thread unnecessarily long.

My one an only hope is that when I buy riptide/more suits, and other models that come with more drones......is that they actually have bits for the new drones so I am not stuck with 19,000 sprues of gun drones i do not need.

i liek the look of the new stuff. i was considering starting a Tau army btu i will be holding out for the new codex (got burned by the Chaos Codex).



Plus IA12 is out soon with some long overdue FW Necron love.

 JOHIRA wrote:


This is what I never got about all the people saying XV-8s look just like Gundams. Gundams tend to be very long-legged, have tiny torsos, and giant arms, creating the appearance of a lithe, athletic robot samurai. A stock XV-8 wouldn't even be able to touch it's own chest, it's arms are so tiny. And it's legs are so tiny. They literally have the opposite proportions. So how are they like Gundams, apart from that they are both robots?

It's a question of relatives.

If you start with Space Marines and Dreadnoughts, Tau Crisis suits do look enormously long-limbed

Speaking of gundams, for those who don't like the riptide, you really can proxy in a gundam now. A master grade Gundam Heavyarms can be found online for less than half the price of a riptide, and it has essentially the same weapon loadout. Just replace it's head with a crisis suit head and paint it tausept ochre.

Anyone noticed the modified Devilfish in this picture
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601386_576604289017487_421049212_n.jpg
Seems they have modified where the top hatch used to be. Any ideas?

Also, heres to hoping the Nipple Speakers on the Riptide are actually Mega Smashers!

I think the idea is that the devilfish and the path finders use a special drone to communicate and confer bonuses. If you look close, that top "hatch" is the same as the top of their special drone.

Coyote81 wrote:
I think the idea is that the devilfish and the path finders use a special drone to communicate and confer bonuses. If you look close, that top "hatch" is the same as the top of their special drone.

I was hoping pathfinders wouldn't be constrained by still taking a devilfish, if what you say is correct that is probably not the case

 Messy0 wrote:

Coyote81 wrote:
I think the idea is that the devilfish and the path finders use a special drone to communicate and confer bonuses. If you look close, that top "hatch" is the same as the top of their special drone.

I was hoping pathfinders wouldn't be constrained by still taking a devilfish, if what you say is correct that is probably not the case

I has been said that they are not required to take a devilfish anymore, if that eases your pain. Use markerlights turn out to be bad, I'll keep using my tetras. Love the models.

The drone will probably encourage you to use them with a devil fish, but doesn't force you to.

Note that in all likelihood the Tau vehicles finally got the 5th edition points discount. The rumored cost of the Hammerhead with SC is the same as the current price for a Railhead with Burst Cannons.

Should make the Pathfinder Devilfish much easier to swallow.

 Rainyday wrote:
Speaking of gundams, for those who don't like the riptide, you really can proxy in a gundam now. A master grade Gundam Heavyarms can be found online for less than half the price of a riptide, and it has essentially the same weapon loadout. Just replace it's head with a crisis suit head and paint it tausept ochre.

Heck, you could go less than Master grade for far, far less.

 McNinja wrote:

 Rainyday wrote:
Speaking of gundams, for those who don't like the riptide, you really can proxy in a gundam now. A master grade Gundam Heavyarms can be found online for less than half the price of a riptide, and it has essentially the same weapon loadout. Just replace it's head with a crisis suit head and paint it tausept ochre.

Heck, you could go less than Master grade for far, far less.

I'm thinking 1/100 scale Launcher Strike Gundam.

 TheMind wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 TheMind wrote:

Flyer: I like it for a bomber, not so much for a fighter. Mine will probably end up being a mildly converted Barracuda. The primary thing that kills it for me is not the rails but the profile, FIGHTER WINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. The sheer forces put on a modern air superiority fighter, let alone one from the 41st millenium, would snap those wings like so many pretzels. But for a bomber the stability they give is perfect.

You're awfully confident about the aerodynamics and structural strength of a fictional airplane designed to fly on other planets with unknown atmospheres using technology that doesn't exist currently made out of entirely fictional materials.


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 TheMind wrote:

Broadside Resculpt: After having gotten a better look at it with some of the more recent pictures, I like it. My only complaint with the forge world XV-8x suits has been that they use the crisis suit torso, which looks like crap

Forgeworld broadsides do not use the standard torso, only the forgeworld crisis suits do that.

First point: The point of the delta wing/variable wing/forward-swept wing designs is that they introduce inherent instability to the airframe of the fighter, which is good, because it makes the plane easier to throw into different maneuvers. Straight wing planes like the majority of the WWII aircraft are inherently stable airframes, excellent for things that require stability such as bombing and CAS but bad for actual maneuvering with any degree of haste or tightness. Thus, straight wings are great for something like the Sunshark bomber, but terrible for the Razorfish, which is why I will be converting a Barracuda instead.

Err no, not really. A straight wing can be just as unstable as a delta/swept/variable wing. The point of a swept/delta wing is that they are safer/more stable in a supersonic flight envelope, whereas using a straight wing at those speeds could very well result in the loss of the aircraft and/or its crew. Variable wing geometries exist to maximize performance at any point along the aircrafts flight envelope (theoretically, the F-111, F-14, and MiG-23 have all proven that even though performance is maximized it isn't really superior relative to fixed wing aircraft), because at lower speeds a straight wing provides greater maneuverability to the aircraft.

Also, canards can actually increase stability.

Sources: Me, I studied Aeronautical Engineering (even though I graduated with a degree in Industrial Engineering instead)

Anyway,

I'm kinda annoyed about the new Pathfinder devilfish drone thing... It looks awesome, now I'm gonna have to mod my existing devlifishes >.<

 McNinja wrote:

 Rainyday wrote:
Speaking of gundams, for those who don't like the riptide, you really can proxy in a gundam now. A master grade Gundam Heavyarms can be found online for less than half the price of a riptide, and it has essentially the same weapon loadout. Just replace it's head with a crisis suit head and paint it tausept ochre.

Heck, you could go less than Master grade for far, far less.

Yeah, but the MG kit might be pretty close in scale judging from the pictures formerly posted here, plus the lower-grade gundam wing kits are terrible.

As said, I will start with this Z'Gok model:

 Rainyday wrote:

 McNinja wrote:

 Rainyday wrote:
Speaking of gundams, for those who don't like the riptide, you really can proxy in a gundam now. A master grade Gundam Heavyarms can be found online for less than half the price of a riptide, and it has essentially the same weapon loadout. Just replace it's head with a crisis suit head and paint it tausept ochre.

Heck, you could go less than Master grade for far, far less.

Yeah, but the MG kit might be pretty close in scale judging from the pictures formerly posted here, plus the lower-grade gundam wing kits are terrible.

Wouldn't 1:100 be too big still, even for the riptide? I thought 1:144 was not only the smallest but at least on pics be the closest in scale.

 Kroothawk wrote:
As said, I will start with this Z'Gok model:

Spoiler:

And that's the idea I've been toying wiht on how I may try to update the head on the Riptide. It feels more suited to a large mecha than the current setup.

That model looks great! I'd be tempted to play that as a Chaos Contemptor personally....mgiht be too big though.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 TheMind wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 TheMind wrote:

Flyer: I like it for a bomber, not so much for a fighter. Mine will probably end up being a mildly converted Barracuda. The primary thing that kills it for me is not the rails but the profile, FIGHTER WINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. The sheer forces put on a modern air superiority fighter, let alone one from the 41st millenium, would snap those wings like so many pretzels. But for a bomber the stability they give is perfect.

You're awfully confident about the aerodynamics and structural strength of a fictional airplane designed to fly on other planets with unknown atmospheres using technology that doesn't exist currently made out of entirely fictional materials.


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 TheMind wrote:

Broadside Resculpt: After having gotten a better look at it with some of the more recent pictures, I like it. My only complaint with the forge world XV-8x suits has been that they use the crisis suit torso, which looks like crap

Forgeworld broadsides do not use the standard torso, only the forgeworld crisis suits do that.

First point: The point of the delta wing/variable wing/forward-swept wing designs is that they introduce inherent instability to the airframe of the fighter, which is good, because it makes the plane easier to throw into different maneuvers. Straight wing planes like the majority of the WWII aircraft are inherently stable airframes, excellent for things that require stability such as bombing and CAS but bad for actual maneuvering with any degree of haste or tightness. Thus, straight wings are great for something like the Sunshark bomber, but terrible for the Razorfish, which is why I will be converting a Barracuda instead.

Err no, not really. A straight wing can be just as unstable as a delta/swept/variable wing. The point of a swept/delta wing is that they are safer/more stable in a supersonic flight envelope, whereas using a straight wing at those speeds could very well result in the loss of the aircraft and/or its crew. Variable wing geometries exist to maximize performance at any point along the aircrafts flight envelope (theoretically, the F-111, F-14, and MiG-23 have all proven that even though performance is maximized it isn't really superior relative to fixed wing aircraft), because at lower speeds a straight wing provides greater maneuverability to the aircraft.

Also, canards can actually increase stability.

Sources: Me, I studied Aeronautical Engineering (even though I graduated with a degree in Industrial Engineering instead)

Anyway,

I'm kinda annoyed about the new Pathfinder devilfish drone thing... It looks awesome, now I'm gonna have to mod my existing devlifishes >.<

Huh, shows what I know. This is why I'm in school XD

"Farsight Remains on of the taus Greatest champions"
Looks like he is no longer a sepratist.

Rumor about Tau Codex cover art:

via neko over on Warseer
The new cover is of a Crisis suit. The suit is posed with one leg on a boulder, whilst shooting a target to the suit's right with a fusion blaster.

Sounds like most codexs as of late, with a big focus on one character on the front.
To bad im going to have to get a cover for it.

Kroothawk wrote:Page 30 (18/Mar/2013 14:06:34 ) and page 32 (18/Mar/2013 17:14:44 )
Differences in quotes because we quoted the original source, you the summary by Natfka.

On topic:

Neko wrote:The new cover is of a Crisis suit. The suit is posed with one leg on a boulder, whilst shooting a target to the suit's right with a fusion blaster.

And all Tau leak pics uploaded to Dakka have been deleted as well. Only those taken from other websites persist.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:Rumor about Tau Codex cover art:

via neko over on Warseer
The new cover is of a Crisis suit. The suit is posed with one leg on a boulder, whilst shooting a target to the suit's right with a fusion blaster.

Seriously, at least read the current page!

I've noticed that the Kroot are nowhere to be found in these pics. I hope GW aren't de-emphasizing them....

The theory is that there will be an ally codex that incorporates them.

Or there are just no new Kroot models. I don't recall any panic when no Tactical box was shown in the Dark Angels release.

UltraPrime wrote:
Or there are just no new Kroot models. I don't recall any panic when no Tactical box was shown in the Dark Angels release.

It's in the WD pictures, rather than the new releases, that I think most people are referring to/concerned about.

We also havn't seen or heard mention of the sky ray or sniper teams yet, so hopefully kroot and vespid are still there... (even though unless they're changed in some way noone is going to use them except for if they really like the models)

 pretre wrote:
The theory is that there will be an ally codex that incorporates them.

The SPECULATION is that there will be an ally supplement.
Or Kroot just stay the same, so no need to talk about them.
Or Kroot get new stuff in a second wave.

 pretre wrote:
The theory is that there will be an ally codex that incorporates them.

I'm cool and all with Kroot being in the ally dex (if true), I just hope GW don't do something stupid like make said dex limited edition.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
The theory is that there will be an ally codex that incorporates them.

The SPECULATION is that there will be an ally supplement.
Or Kroot just stay the same, so no need to talk about them.
Or Kroot get new stuff in a second wave.

Potato/Potahtoe.

Is it me, or does the text sound sub-par? Mind you I haven't read a WD in a few...years now. But sentences like: "Much enjoyment can be had finding different ways to combine all the pieces." sounds more Engrish than English.

I know the words are all ok, but it just sounds very stilted... a bit unnatural.

 Rolt wrote:

 pretre wrote:
The theory is that there will be an ally codex that incorporates them.

I'm cool and all with Kroot being in the ally dex (if true), I just hope GW don't do something stupid like make said dex limited edition.

If Kroot are in the ally dex (if true), I just hope GW don't do something stupid like not saying anything about the absence of Kroot in the Tau release (as part of their 'marketing'/secrecy policy).

I think I see GWs plan now, rob people blind with their ing over costed books.

Im hoping rumors about trackers are true.
Also, It s decided, it is going to be the riptide I buy first(mostly because i can get it cheap on the order)

Bobug wrote:
We also havn't seen or heard mention of the sky ray or sniper teams yet, so hopefully kroot and vespid are still there... (even though unless they're changed in some way noone is going to use them except for if they really like the models)

Neko, who had posted rules leaks over on Warseer and ATT, claims that Kroot and Vespid are still there.

 Ravenous D wrote:
I think I see GWs plan now, rob people blind with their ing over costed books.

Wow, a critisism on GW book prices! Again! So edgy..so...off topic.

 Just Dave wrote:

 Rolt wrote:

 pretre wrote:
The theory is that there will be an ally codex that incorporates them.

I'm cool and all with Kroot being in the ally dex (if true), I just hope GW don't do something stupid like make said dex limited edition.

If Kroot are in the ally dex (if true), I just hope GW don't do something stupid like not saying anything about the absence of Kroot in the Tau release (as part of their 'marketing'/secrecy policy).

Even GW would'nt go out of their to ruin/obsolete peoples armies and force them to buy the "hot-new", thats just silly... no wait.

I would at least like to have some blind faith the kroot will get expanded/boosted, even if its part of an ally dex instead of the tau dex. I would assume even GW must of noticed the lack of kroot in tau armies lately.

I never had a whole lot of luck with Kroot. I wouldnt be too upset if they are gone, however, i do like the models and would like to see them get some armor and see them exclusively Tau(besides taking allies of course). They are our damn mercs. Not to mention the other armies are going to have to dip into our territory to get a hold of em. An ally dex doesnt make enough sense to me.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Is it me, or does the text sound sub-par? Mind you I haven't read a WD in a few...years now. But sentences like: "Much enjoyment can be had finding different ways to combine all the pieces." sounds more Engrish than English.

Sounds like the preface of every GW assembly guide

I actually like a lot of the new models, as to how it plays will be a different story.

And Im happy with the frequency of the books, just not the constant price tag, happy Sam-duh?

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Is it me, or does the text sound sub-par? Mind you I haven't read a WD in a few...years now. But sentences like: "Much enjoyment can be had finding different ways to combine all the pieces." sounds more Engrish than English.

Sounds like the preface of every GW assembly guide

Wait... there's text on them too now? I know it's been a long time I bought one, but I remember only shapes and arrows. Occasionally the little "no glue" icon.

No crappy teaser video yet?

You mean "Shaky Cam of Concept Art" teaser? We will probably see it friday.

 Medium of Death wrote:
No crappy teaser video yet?

Stuff maybe is coming out so fast that the guy hasn't been able to devote the 15 minutes required.

Ah, I thought pre-orders would have been up on Saturday... maybe, next Saturday?

Thinking in Kroot:

Back in tha day, while the Tau had their Kroot Carnivoires in troops, there was a seperate Kroot Mercenaries Codex with WD and Chapter Approved. The Kroot Mercs mostly couldn't be taken as part of a Tau army (the Kroot were trying not to let their ally know just how much biodiversity they were sampling) but there was an option of adding a limited detachment of mercenary Kroot to several other armies, much like the way the ally system works.

I expect we will see more of the same now, a basic Kroot unit in the Tau Codex, plus a full fledged list of units in the Ally codex. I am thinking well see things like Gretchin, Harliquins and Renegade Imperial Guard/Gue'vesa in the Ally book as well. I've seen speculation that Sisters of Battle, the Assassins, the Legion of the Damned and others might be there too.

No, that would be two weeks, GW only does a week.

 Ravenous D wrote:
I actually like a lot of the new models, as to how it plays will be a different story.

And Im happy with the frequency of the books, just not the constant price tag, happy Sam-duh?

Elated, truly.

I also would not be sad to see the Kroot leave the Tau codex. GW made a big deal in past fluff about the Tau taking many different kinds of allies, yet they gave us only two sub-par ally units in the codex. It's like they said in WD when the first Tau book came out, they had a few great ideas for new races but couldn't decide which one to introduce into the game. So they just combined them together into one army book. Im glad to see that maybe this book will be solely about the Tau and that they may flesh the Kroot/Vespid out more in another supplement.

Combining the allies into one big bucket worked great for warmahordes.

I really like kroot and want them to stay in the tau book, however, in the general sense I like the idea of an allies codex.

Fact is, the galaxy is big and it has a TON of aliens that don't have enough population to count as empires on their own, but still exist and still could be allies or mercenaries.

Even if a race only has 1000 living individuals in fluff, you can still justify them on the table by saying they just all showed up for this one fight.

 Rented Tritium wrote:
Combining the allies into one big bucket worked great for warmahordes.

I really like kroot and want them to stay in the tau book, however, in the general sense I like the idea of an allies codex.

Fact is, the galaxy is big and it has a TON of aliens that don't have enough population to count as empires on their own, but still exist and still could be allies or mercenaries.

Even if a race only has 1000 living individuals in fluff, you can still justify them on the table by saying they just all showed up for this one fight.

Allies book with alien races, including Squats.

Allies, including Squats.

Squats.


Ultimate win and victory.

I'd actually play squats, if they updated the miniatures. Or just the rules... and use Mantic.

Random one off allies are the sort of thing that actually belonged in white dwarf, but they stopped doing things like that.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Ah, I thought pre-orders would have been up on Saturday... maybe, next Saturday?

If the release is April 6, then the pre-order will go up March 29. The crappy video should then be up by March 26, I think.

I love that "crappy video" is just part of the accepted timeline at this point.

These pictures leaked pretty damn early, compared to the last few times. Usually only a couple of days before the teaser, IIRC.

Yep. I was also surprised to see them this soon. The WD must have gotten through the printing process early this month.

 kronk wrote:
Yep. I was also surprised to see them this soon. The WD must have gotten through the printing process early this month.

Might be something to do with it being a 5-Saturday month.

Sigh, Why did these have to come out after spring break?

Some people think the leak was intentional. These pics came out just as GW's new policy undergoes changes about 3rd party retailers. Many people aren't happy about it so this 'leak' was supposed to take peoples attention away from the policy changes and towards new shiny stuff. So if no one knows/ is not paying attention to the policy change then there is nobody to complain about the policy.

Far fetched? Possibly but it is GW.

As a long time active tau player (have played them throughout 5th and 6th) I am very excited about the new dex and models.
While I would have loved more FW stuff in there…oh well, that is a rage for another time.
I am considering converting my XV9s into broadsides, and had a couple of questions;
Any better pics of the new broadside models out there?
The only ones I have seen are the big group shots, and in both of those you don’t get a very unobstructed view.
Secondly, any ideas on all their load outs? Or more specifically, is the railgun thing their only primary weapon? (I know they can still get missiles and plasma as secondary).
I thought there was the possibility of an uber-missile version.
Thanks!

Is it tin foil hat time? lol

that seems like giving Gee dubs way to much credit to come up with something like that.

 redkeyboard wrote:
Some people think the leak was intentional. These pics came out just as GW's new policy undergoes changes about 3rd party retailers. Many people aren't happy about it so this 'leak' was supposed to take peoples attention away from the policy changes and towards new shiny stuff. So if no one knows/ is not paying attention to the policy change then there is nobody to complain about the policy.

Far fetched? Possibly but it is GW.

You DO know that putting 'but it is GW' at the end does not make your crackpot theory any more valid? No? But it is Dakka...

 Desubot wrote:
Is it tin foil hat time? lol

that seems like giving Gee dubs way to much credit to come up with something like that.

That's the issue for me when we get into these conversations. A games company that can think ahead and use purposeful leaks as positive PR is less likely to make dumb miscalculations like the policy change in the first place.

I can't find it, but I'm sure I read something about a commander upgrade sprue...

I take it this is just the Commander kit's metal pieces recast in finecast?