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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 Alpharius wrote:The turret 'everywhere' look just fine!
My RSO Pattern Stormhammer looks ace!
Thanks to the LC sponsons, that front turret has about the same amount of mobility as the FW design.
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Post by: Alpharius
...but the Coolness Factor!
You CANNOT discount the Coolness Factor! 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The coolness factor Alpha comes from the fact that you've managed to do what no GW studio made double-sponsoned Baneblade chassis has yet: You put the second set of sponsons on the right way around, facing the rear, as they should be.
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Post by: BrookM
Actually, I think Andy Hoare did that with his Hellhammer IIRC.
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Post by: Alpharius
I made sure it happened first!
Glory to the Twentieth!
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Post by: SirDonlad
phase plasma fusil and irad cleanser thallax preorders got shipped already...
Subject: Your order has now been despatched
Date: Thursday, 22 Jan 2015 08:30
From: fworderenquiries@games-workshop.co.uk
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 BrookM wrote:Actually, I think Andy Hoare did that with his Hellhammer IIRC.
Well he did that because Andy is an outstanding gentlement who never at all sometimes reads my posts and then makes fun of them over Facebook...
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Post by: zedmeister
DEREDEO!
£35 for the frame.
£12 for the Carapace Launcher
£18 for the Arm Weapons
The Deredeo pattern Dreadnought is a dedicated heavy support frame, though it shares many core components and systems with the more general assault-based Contemptor class. Initially deployed in limited numbers to each of the Legions due to difficulties in its manufacture, its durability and firepower saw demand for the Deredeo pattern dramatically increase after the outbreak of the Horus Heresy.
Mounted onto the carapace of the Deredeo pattern Dreadnought, the Aiolos missile launcher which, with its sophisticated targeting system, can track targets independently of the primary weapons system and regardless of intervening terrain.
One of the primary weapon systems the Deredeo can mount is the twin-linked Anvilus autocannon battery, a fearsome development of the autocannon that can engage and destroy armoured targets with a punishing salvo of fire.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Oooooh... pretty.
And it's an Ultramarine!
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Post by: zedmeister
It's appeared within the Heavy Support option for Crusade Armies. It also appears in the 40k section, so looks like it'll be a 40k usable unit as well.
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Post by: Azeroth133
Some experimental rules would have been nice as well.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah. I want to know what those Autocannons do.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Looks like the missile launcher has independent fire and some variant of indirect fire, rather tasty.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Looks a little better with more angles and a decent paint job, but, nope, still doesn't work for me.
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Post by: Kirasu
Im looking forward to 19 variations of this dreadedo
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Post by: beast_gts
Yeah, and what other weapon options it has.
Plus - '80mm plastic base'? What else is on an 80mm?
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Post by: Johnson101
I like it, looks far far better in these photos than in the leaks.
Really want to know the rules
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Post by: sonofruss
Did everyone miss the Heavy Flamers under the body 
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Post by: Crazyterran
Eh, 185 pts for 4 shots with the main gun and a heavy bolter. BS5 is nice, but.. Eh.
35 pts for s6 ap3 3 shot carapace launcher that hits side armor and ignores line of sight. Decent for hunting thunderfire cannons, I suppose, and it'd make side armor 10 sad...
Unless you want another 6 contemptor army, the Sicarian is a better heavy support choice, imo. Same amount of points (220) gets you ceramite, a pair of lascannons, the sicarians main gun, schism of Mars and better rear armor. More mobility aswell.
I suppose the dodo has better bs and its hull heavy bolter is twin linked. Helical array is nice, but if you want a bird hunter, the stalker is cheaper.
Though. S8 means a lucky shot can id a marine commander... And I guess the 5+ invuln is good, too.
Eh, it might be passable. Maybe I'll get one to try out.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Twin-Linked at BS5? Yikes...
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Re-roll for AP? Sounds naughty..
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Post by: zedmeister
H.B.M.C. wrote:Twin-Linked at BS5? Yikes...
angelofvengeance wrote:Re-roll for AP? Sounds naughty..
Hell of an AA platform too. That'll shred any plane it looks at with Skyfire and Interceptor if it doesn't move.
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Post by: ceorron
Like it + I just went to the forgeworld website the alpha legion contemptor dread looks cool too. Forgeworld is on form. Also looking forward to the variants of this.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I'm more interested in why GW makes 80mm round bases.
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Post by: Looky Likey
The missile launcher seems better suited to meq sniping.
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Post by: Snrub
Not too crash hot on the stomach mounted flamers, but on the whole, I like it.
Big, fat and squat. just like a mobile AA platform should be.
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Post by: Soo'Vah'Cha
Now that is a gun platform dread!
ordering as we speak..er type. lol
Rules are very cool too!
Brother Gepard and Brother Zsu Zsu ...online soon 
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Post by: Thanatos73
I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Because no one else does? Gotta git dem copyrights somehow!!!
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Post by: angelofvengeance
 Thanatos73 wrote:I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.
I think they're more of a defensive thing rather than offensive. Wall of death people when they try to deep strike and assault?
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Post by: Looky Likey
Thanatos73 wrote:I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.
it's rules suggest you get a free choice between heavy flamers and heavy bolters. I'm hoping that the next set of arms are enhanced assault cannons then the flamers make more sense.
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Post by: Kosake
Hm... I allways felt like the Dreads should work better as ranged support than as CC weapons.
The cannons look way too massive for that frame though. The recoil should tip that thing over... Maybe I'll get a madcat or two for my alphas though.
But where are the weapon options? Where's the Lascans, the hurricane bolters or somesuch, multi-meltas?
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Post by: Theophony
Because the Chinese recasters don't have 80mm bases laying around  , it's a good way for them to go to ebay and say "that's not original, doesn't have the base"
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Post by: Kosake
 Theophony wrote:
Because the Chinese recasters don't have 80mm bases laying around , it's a good way for them to go to ebay and say "that's not original, doesn't have the base"
Because recasting that base is so difficult...
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Post by: reds8n
Improved version :
1
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Post by: Theophony
 Kosake wrote: Theophony wrote:
Because the Chinese recasters don't have 80mm bases laying around , it's a good way for them to go to ebay and say "that's not original, doesn't have the base"
Because recasting that base is so difficult...
In black plastic? For people who deal in just resin? Yes. remember GW "thinks" this will stop competitors, and why they went from 25-32mm
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Post by: MajorStoffer
I'll take two!
Wave Serpents, I'm coming for you!
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Post by: Theophony
Needs more flamers
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Post by: Kosake
Theophony wrote: Kosake wrote: Theophony wrote:
Because the Chinese recasters don't have 80mm bases laying around , it's a good way for them to go to ebay and say "that's not original, doesn't have the base"
Because recasting that base is so difficult...
In black plastic? For people who deal in just resin? Yes. remember GW "thinks" this will stop competitors, and why they went from 25-32mm
Uhm... im pretty sure I've seen black pigment for casting materials from virtually every single store that has this type of goods... never mind just black spray cans.
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Post by: Fireball
I think it looks even worse now. Worst model from FW in recent years tbh
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
It annoys me that independent tracking is closer to what seeker missiles should be.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
I like it, and the rules are good. I do think the final version may go up a few points. I'm at work and can't check, but how many points does a Contemptor Mortis with autocannons cost?
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Post by: zedmeister
Looks like the experimental rules have been updated to allow this in Blood Angel, Dark Angel and Horus Heresy lists
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Can it even see over its own boobs?
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Post by: Lord Blackscale
The best part are the words "may choose" before "skyfire and intercepter".
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Post by: Tamwulf
I'd buy that one! I might get a chance at winning against all those Riptides and Wave Serpents out there...
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Honestly I think I liked it in the leaked pictures rather than the blue scheme. Hopefully it'll paint up better in something else.
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Post by: Thairne
So... Am I wrong here or is this thing efficient like hell?
2 Mortis Pattern Dread /w AC vs AV12 flyer - 2,37 hp stripped
1 Deredeo Pattern Dread vs AV12 flyer - 2,92 hp stripped.
And that still saves you some 65 points you can shove into the missile launcher and a Legacy (like War of Murder for Monster Hunter)
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Post by: Vermis
Hmm. I've seen something like that before.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah. I want to know what those Autocannons do.
Shoot shells, I imagine.
reds8n wrote: Improved version :
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Post by: Da Butcha
Bzzt! Not quite:
Originally appearing in White Dwarf, then compiled into the Warhammer 40,000 Compendium in 1989, the Deredo Class Attack Support Dreadnought...also known as Eddy.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Theophony wrote: remember GW "thinks" this will stop competitors, and why they went from 25-32mm
[CITATION NEEDED]
Seriously how'd you get that from "we're changing bases on some models so they look better"?
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Post by: the_Armyman
OT: What are those Knight Crusaders armed with?
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Post by: beast_gts
Quake Cannon & Twin Battle Cannons if I remember rightly.
(although this says they're twin Lascannon -
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Post by: Grarg
The rules for it not that bad. Not crazy broken.
Anyone know what the Furibundus (Fury) class of dreadnought would be, a crazy assault dreadnought i'd assume? I'm assuming that FW is working on this one as well seeing how the Deredeo was brought out of nowhere.
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Post by: Kosake
Hey guys, quick question.
When was the last time that Forgeworld made any non-30k-related unit? I mean basically anything for Xenos, as the Knights, Tank patterns etc. might still fit a 40k IoM army but are targetted primarily at 30k games.
So yeah, when was the last time any non-imperial army got something? All I can think of is the Dimachaeron for nids a couple of months ago, but before that..? contemptorcontemptormarinecontemptor...
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Post by: Melcavuk
The giant Jetpack Riptide was probably the last xenos thing prior to the Nid bug
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Post by: stormboy
Kosake wrote:Hey guys, quick question.
When was the last time that Forgeworld made any non-30k-related unit? I mean basically anything for Xenos, as the Knights, Tank patterns etc. might still fit a 40k IoM army but are targetted primarily at 30k games.
So yeah, when was the last time any non-imperial army got something? All I can think of is the Dimachaeron for nids a couple of months ago, but before that..? contemptorcontemptormarinecontemptor...
They are producing what sells. I think many folks would love to see some stuff for other armies - but FW will continue to make 30k stuff until it no longer sells. I am torn, I love the 30k stuff and I love reading about the Heresy and the FW books are great - but I am sad that the consolidation of FW products seems to have eliminated the awesome terrain (trenchlines) and cool fringe models (Tallarn are gone - Ork Battlefortress is gone - etc)
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Post by: WrentheFaceless
Wish I could take one in my GK army
But at least we're screwed along with the Space Wolves this time
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Post by: Vaktathi
Ok, so, methinks this is another FW unit that's probably going to get toned down before it sees final release.
As is, this thing is a massively overpowered vehicle killer, and particularly next to something like a Forgefiend with a similar main weapon array, it's putting out significantly more hurt with significantly more damage resistance, for basically the same cost.
It's effectively killing an AV12 tank every turn, with the missile array it's doing so even through a 5+ cover/invul save.
As to the model itself, the core dreadnought body itself looks kinda cool, the problem is that the guns all look twice as big as they should be. In another game that'd look fine but doesn't quite fit the normal 40k aesthetic, looking more than a bit over the top and Gundam-ey.
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Post by: Ifurita
Thanatos73 wrote:I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.
At least it doesn't have blades on the end of the barrels.
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Post by: Thanatos73
 Ifurita wrote: Thanatos73 wrote:I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.
At least it doesn't have blades on the end of the barrels.
Until they release the Legion specific or Chaos version...
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Post by: the_Armyman
beast_gts wrote:
Quake Cannon & Twin Battle Cannons if I remember rightly.
(although this says they're twin Lascannon -
Thanks!
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Post by: warboss
Ifurita wrote: Thanatos73 wrote:I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.
At least it doesn't have blades on the end of the barrels.
Just wait for the World Eaters specific Relic Deredeo version. Given FW's "dreadnought of the month club" pattern of the last two years, they'll eventually run out of normal relic contemptors and have to move onto something else.
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Post by: zedmeister
Acutally, it is armed with Twin Lascannons and the Quake Cannon. Used to hate fighting them as they'd constantly blow buildings away with their quake cannons.
Grarg wrote:The rules for it not that bad. Not crazy broken.
Anyone know what the Furibundus (Fury) class of dreadnought would be, a crazy assault dreadnought i'd assume? I'm assuming that FW is working on this one as well seeing how the Deredeo was brought out of nowhere.
I reckon the Furibundus will be the Siege (Ironclad) variant. Pretty much the only version they haven't contemptor'd!
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Post by: aka_mythos
I'd guess Furibundus is supposed to be a distant relation to the Furioso. The word was FW planned to do three HH era Dreadnought patterns, one larger and one smaller than the Contemptor. So I'm guessing something similar in size to the 40k Dreadnoughts but with the Contemptor aesthetic.
 zedmeister wrote:
Acutally, it is armed with Twin Lascannons and the Quake Cannon. Used to hate fighting them as they'd constantly blow buildings away with their quake cannons.
If FW does a Knight crusader I bet they'll change the Lascannons to something bigger for no other reason than the scaling. The Knight Castellan has a rotary autocannon (though it looks more like a mega gatling bolter) and given that both have Quake cannons I'd imagine they'd want the big Lascannons to be more comparable to that.
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Post by: SirDonlad
They might go hunting around the 'age of the emperor' pdf for pimped lascannons.
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Post by: Darth Bob
I'm digging it, for sure. Thought it looked decent in the leaks, but now I think it looks great. It's definitely how I imagine a dedicated gun platform Dreadnought to look.
I'm also interested in how poseable it is. I can't really tell if the legs have the same level of posability as the standard Contemptor, but I can think of some dynamic poses that would look much better than the static "legs apart, guns up" pose of the Ultramarine one.
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Post by: Nilok
Looking at the Deredeo, it straight up looks like Forge World mashed a Destroid Defender and Destroid Phalanx from Macross together and stuck a Space Marine head on it.
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Post by: Knockagh
Love the new dread, they did a good job on the legs which could have been a disaster given the bulk o the upper body. Can't wait to see what some of the skilled modelers on dakka can do with the pose. Dreads can look awesome in battle mode.
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Post by: Ashiraya
I thought the Deredeo's niche was already filled by the Contemptor Mortis?
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Post by: Kosake
 Ashiraya wrote:I thought the Deredeo's niche was already filled by the Contemptor Mortis?
Nah. The Contemptor is just like a regular old Dread, but with improved stats. You can tool him into a ranged support platform, but the design is rather a jack of all trades than a dedicated ranged support. With those missiles and massive autocannon + possibly two heavy bolters the Dorito should be kept at range and snipe thin-skinned transports, flyers and nastier uglies such as terminators.
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Post by: Olgerth Istaarn
Strangely enough, not as hideous as previously thought, though as already pointed out, somewhat redundant. Heavy Flamers are there in case someone does get close I guess, so that it doesn't have to awkwardly kick itself out of a pile of Snotlings.
Wonder how they'll represent its extra durability.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Kosake wrote: Ashiraya wrote:I thought the Deredeo's niche was already filled by the Contemptor Mortis?
Nah. The Contemptor is just like a regular old Dread, but with improved stats. You can tool him into a ranged support platform, but the design is rather a jack of all trades than a dedicated ranged support. With those missiles and massive autocannon + possibly two heavy bolters the Dorito should be kept at range and snipe thin-skinned transports, flyers and nastier uglies such as terminators.
The Contemptor Mortis though, is an anti aircraft one. It shares the same rule with the Deredo where if it doesn't move, it can shoot fliers.
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Post by: Accolade
Although I think the Deredeo is a little inferior in aesthetic compared to the Contemptor, I think both are leagues ahead of the angry washing machines of old. Certainly look *way* more intimidating!
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Post by: Lockark
Feels like FW is doing that thing we're the experimental rules are under costed so everyone rushes out and buy one. I except it to go up in points once it's properly published in a book.
The current rules for it are just to under costed compared to a Mortis. Their is just no reason to take a mortis over this guy.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
well it's better for experimental rules to be under costed so people do actually play them and so try them out
if they over costed them nobody would really use them, so they'd never see how the rules actually worked out in practice
(and as you say it helps sell the model even to those who don't really like the look)
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Yes, but anyone who actually buys a model based solely on an advantage granted by experimental rules deserves exactly what they get when those rules change.
Simply put, we should be praising FW for doing public playtesting and making changes based on feedback.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Tannhauser42 wrote:Yes, but anyone who actually buys a model based solely on an advantage granted by experimental rules deserves exactly what they get when those rules change.
Simply put, we should be praising FW for doing public playtesting and making changes based on feedback.
Agreed. That's entirely their fault. I don't think FW do it on purpose, if they wanted to sell loads of models their rules would still be overpowered after the experimental phase.
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Post by: Hoyt
I am very tempted to buy a Deredeo. I just love the model, more so than the Contemptor. Can someone persuade me not to blow £65 on this thing?
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Post by: Lockark
I never realized forge-world actually took feed back on the experimental rules. Since GW dosen't let them run social media and stuff. How dose Forgeworld actually get feed back on the experimental rules? just google tacticas and stuff the community writes about their experimental units?
(Dose forgeworld read 1D4chan tacticas also....? O___o )
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Post by: prowla
 Lockark wrote:I never realized forge-world actually took feed back on the experimental rules. Since GW dosen't let them run social media and stuff. How dose Forgeworld actually get feed back on the experimental rules? just google tacticas and stuff the community writes about their experimental units?
I doubt it, except maybe some minor testing in their own gamer groups. The experimental rules are probably just "for now" and they do the official rules in some book later.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Lockark wrote:I never realized forge-world actually took feed back on the experimental rules. Since GW dosen't let them run social media and stuff. How dose Forgeworld actually get feed back on the experimental rules? just google tacticas and stuff the community writes about their experimental units?
(Dose forgeworld read 1D4chan tacticas also....? O___o )
You could just email them. I mean that's still a thing.
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Post by: Looky Likey
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Agreed. That's entirely their fault. I don't think FW do it on purpose, if they wanted to sell loads of models their rules would still be overpowered after the experimental phase. I'm certainly not saying that FW do this, their release schedule simply isn't fast enough, but they could:
1) Release new model for X role with OP rules
2) Once sales plateau nerf rules
3) Repeat
With a smaller dread planned this is possible, but not going to happen for this direct reason.
I'm not sure how FW are picking up on feedback, possibly via email and phone, they did eventually nerf the Moritat via FAQ, why would they have done that if they weren't getting feedback from somewhere?
They are considerably more responsive than GW to issuing FAQs to address balance and for that I'm grateful.
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Post by: Knockagh
 Hoyt wrote:I am very tempted to buy a Deredeo. I just love the model, more so than the Contemptor. Can someone persuade me not to blow £65 on this thing?
Plus shipping... I'm going to get one but I hate hate hate the shipping thing so I will await a bulk order, or a free shipping offer??!! If they made everythng more expensive and did away with shipping it wouldn't annoy me as much.
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Post by: Padre
Knockagh wrote:If they made everythng more expensive and did away with shipping it wouldn't annoy me as much.
Ummm...but wouldn't the damage to your wallet be the same? It'd just be a question of perception... 
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Post by: Hoyt
Knockagh wrote: Hoyt wrote:I am very tempted to buy a Deredeo. I just love the model, more so than the Contemptor. Can someone persuade me not to blow £65 on this thing?
Plus shipping... I'm going to get one but I hate hate hate the shipping thing so I will await a bulk order, or a free shipping offer??!! If they made everythng more expensive and did away with shipping it wouldn't annoy me as much.
I think shipping works out to be around £10, so £75 in total. Not too bad tbh. I think I'm gonna take the plunge and get one.
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Post by: Kosake
 Accolade wrote:Although I think the Deredeo is a little inferior in aesthetic compared to the Contemptor, I think both are leagues ahead of the angry washing machines of old. Certainly look *way* more intimidating!
They may be better models (finer details, whatever), and they may have a sounder design from an engineering point of view, but I liked the old boxy dreads more. They were more grimdark and fitting for the Imperium, while these sleeky-curvy models look like something the tau might come up with.
Well, in a regular 40k setting they'd be considered sacred, rare relics afaik while in 30k the technology was still pumping, so there's that, but I actually liked the old cubefoots better.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Kosake wrote: Accolade wrote:Although I think the Deredeo is a little inferior in aesthetic compared to the Contemptor, I think both are leagues ahead of the angry washing machines of old. Certainly look *way* more intimidating!
They may be better models (finer details, whatever), and they may have a sounder design from an engineering point of view, but I liked the old boxy dreads more. They were more grimdark and fitting for the Imperium, while these sleeky-curvy models look like something the tau might come up with.
Well, in a regular 40k setting they'd be considered sacred, rare relics afaik while in 30k the technology was still pumping, so there's that, but I actually liked the old cubefoots better.
Im the complete opposite haha. I can't stand the boxy dreadnought, and I really like the Contemptor. I don't see Tau in it but I guess with the sleeker lines I get what you mean
Still not decided on the Deredo, but it's growing on me. Awful name though!
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Post by: Knockagh
 Padre wrote:Knockagh wrote:If they made everythng more expensive and did away with shipping it wouldn't annoy me as much.
Ummm...but wouldn't the damage to your wallet be the same? It'd just be a question of perception...
Absolutely it's perception! Its my simple mind, It likes simple things.
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Post by: Accolade
 ImAGeek wrote: Kosake wrote: Accolade wrote:Although I think the Deredeo is a little inferior in aesthetic compared to the Contemptor, I think both are leagues ahead of the angry washing machines of old. Certainly look *way* more intimidating!
They may be better models (finer details, whatever), and they may have a sounder design from an engineering point of view, but I liked the old boxy dreads more. They were more grimdark and fitting for the Imperium, while these sleeky-curvy models look like something the tau might come up with. Well, in a regular 40k setting they'd be considered sacred, rare relics afaik while in 30k the technology was still pumping, so there's that, but I actually liked the old cubefoots better.
Im the complete opposite haha. I can't stand the boxy dreadnought, and I really like the Contemptor. I don't see Tau in it but I guess with the sleeker lines I get what you mean Still not decided on the Deredo, but it's growing on me. Awful name though!
Yeah, Deredeo sounds like a lunch special at a Mexican restaurant. Mmm, Deredeo con queso...
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Post by: ImAGeek
Accolade wrote: ImAGeek wrote: Kosake wrote: Accolade wrote:Although I think the Deredeo is a little inferior in aesthetic compared to the Contemptor, I think both are leagues ahead of the angry washing machines of old. Certainly look *way* more intimidating!
They may be better models (finer details, whatever), and they may have a sounder design from an engineering point of view, but I liked the old boxy dreads more. They were more grimdark and fitting for the Imperium, while these sleeky-curvy models look like something the tau might come up with.
Well, in a regular 40k setting they'd be considered sacred, rare relics afaik while in 30k the technology was still pumping, so there's that, but I actually liked the old cubefoots better.
Im the complete opposite haha. I can't stand the boxy dreadnought, and I really like the Contemptor. I don't see Tau in it but I guess with the sleeker lines I get what you mean
Still not decided on the Deredo, but it's growing on me. Awful name though!
Yeah, Deredeo sounds like a lunch special at a Mexican restaurant.
Mmm, Deredeo con queso...
Yep. When I first saw it I didn't realise it was named after the old Dread and assumed it was a translation haha.
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Post by: Crablezworth
I still can't stop saying it as dorito. I just had to
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Post by: foto69man
 ClockworkZion wrote: Lockark wrote:I never realized forge-world actually took feed back on the experimental rules. Since GW dosen't let them run social media and stuff. How dose Forgeworld actually get feed back on the experimental rules? just google tacticas and stuff the community writes about their experimental units?
(Dose forgeworld read 1D4chan tacticas also....? O___o )
You could just email them. I mean that's still a thing.
They respond to emails. They nerfed the XV107 when everyone complained it kills marines too easily
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Post by: Fireball
FW Bulletin #45 - Horus Heresy Weekender Exclusive Models
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_45.html
I doubt our Alpha Legion guys here are digging this helmet?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Yeah wtf is that helmet? lol
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Post by: ImAGeek
What are they..? Past IW and AL I mean. The IW is cool, the AL is weird... What's in his hand pointing at us?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Maybe a sceptre of some sort?
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Post by: Fireball
ImAGeek wrote:The IW is cool, the AL is weird... What's in his hand pointing at us?
It looks like an eye on a stick
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Post by: ImAGeek
He looks kind of chubby too.
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Aw, you guys are just mad he doesn't have a baby stapled to his forehead and a mustache to twirl.
I think it looks pretty awesome - both of them actually.
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Post by: BrookM
Alpha Legion model most likely has an Archeotech Pistol.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Ironically I think he's one of the least silly Space Marine models I've ever seen. I don't know why but something about it just makes it look like it has better proportions than the plastic models typically do.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
BrookM wrote:Alpha Legion model most likely has an Archeotech Pistol.
It looks like completely straight object, so, unless it's a literal boom-stick, I don't think so.
Love the axe and chestplate on the Alpha. The Iron Warrior looks good, but nothing particularly special.
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Post by: ImAGeek
The AL looks based off of this, which I'm 99% is a SoH marine. I think it would suit the Sons of Horus much better.
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Post by: BrookM
Space Marines need swagger sticks?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well Alpha's gonna just love that...
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Post by: Commander Cain
For a second I thought the Alpha Legion model was holding a croissant in his hand...
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Post by: Kosake
 Commander Cain wrote:For a second I thought the Alpha Legion model was holding a croissant in his hand...
Or a turd... the armor is nice I guess, you could make a good company commander out of that, but that dog mask? Who had that bright idea?
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Post by: Fireball
Thankfully a helmet is easy to replace ... I really like the armor and the axe. So I guess I will be looking on ebay for that one.
But even more I am looking forward to the newsflash on Wednesday ... I guess they will announce some new stuff which can be bought at the Weekender for the first time.
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Post by: Snrub
For someone who's part of a legion who prides itself on being just that, he's sure doing a bang up job of standing out.
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Post by: Alpharius
If by love you mean hate, then yes, of course I do!
On the plus side, I don't have to waste time or money trying to track one down...
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Post by: warboss
Is this guy an Iron Warrior?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah, he is. Painted as one there, at least.
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Post by: Lord Blackscale
That Iron Warrior is awesome! I may have to get one for one of my 40K armies. The Alpha Legion..... I'll pass.
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Post by: warboss
I guess the theme for the event minis is the traitor vs traitor (albeit unknowningly vs moustache twirling) legion campaign in the recent HH book.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I want that Iron Warrior figure. He's pretty!
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Post by: warboss
What mark armor is the IW wearing?
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Post by: Lockark
Almost looks like a suit of mark 3 upgraded with mark 4 tech.
I really like this guy. Hopefully he won't be to hard to get off ebay.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I like both of them personally.
Not enough to hunt them down on eBay...but they're nice.
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Post by: Yodhrin
It may just be the pose, but the IW looks almost truescale in proportions. Damn fine model though, I might get one to use as an Inquisitor.
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Post by: Apologist
I think they're nice miniatures.
By the looks of things, they just happened to have been painted up as Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion – I don't see any Legion-specific marks on the sculpts. The XX on the kneepad of the lion-masked looks like a transfer, for example.
If they are generic, I think that's great.
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Post by: Melcavuk
 Apologist wrote:I think they're nice miniatures.
By the looks of things, they just happened to have been painted up as Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion – I don't see any Legion-specific marks on the sculpts. The XX on the kneepad of the lion-masked looks like a transfer, for example.
If they are generic, I think that's great.
The crotch skull looks Iron Warrior tho, and I think thats a Cortex controller on his chest
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Post by: Alpharius
 Yodhrin wrote:It may just be the pose, but the IW looks almost truescale in proportions. Damn fine model though, I might get one to use as an Inquisitor.
It is the pose - at least quite a bit of it is.
They're standing more 'straight up' vs. the squatting/hunched pose that GW 'proper' seems to favor for Marines.
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Post by: warboss
Lockark wrote:
Almost looks like a suit of mark 3 upgraded with mark 4 tech.
I really like this guy. Hopefully he won't be to hard to get off ebay.
Hard? Probably not. He'll likely be a one click buy it now from some sellers. Now if you instead meant expensive that might be another story... Automatically Appended Next Post:  Melcavuk wrote:
The crotch skull looks Iron Warrior tho, and I think thats a Cortex controller on his chest
The chest part is what was throwing me off earlier and was why I asked what mark armor. It does make sense though that an IW gets a cortex controller as I think I remember reading in a thread that they get HQ access to it (as well as on their primarch).
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
Well, I sure as hell is buying this one, hell, I'll buy two! it is a very neat sculpt and will make for a very nice Preator/Consul for my XXth Legion force. *highly satisfied*
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
I like his Troll-face helmet.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Alpharius wrote: Yodhrin wrote:It may just be the pose, but the IW looks almost truescale in proportions. Damn fine model though, I might get one to use as an Inquisitor.
It is the pose - at least quite a bit of it is.
They're standing more 'straight up' vs. the squatting/hunched pose that GW 'proper' seems to favor for Marines.
Oh I know that, I meant it seems to have more "presence" even compared to FW's normally more upright posing. Ugh, I'm really going to resent having to pay loadsamoney for one of these chaps on ebay, I hate the practice of event-exclusive models that aren't also available online during the event.
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Post by: Melcavuk
Hoping to grab atleast the IW dude at some event this year, even if it means waiting for Warhammerfest again.
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Post by: Darth Bob
Not a huge fan of the helmet, but I love the rest of the Legion model. I definitely want one.
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Post by: Desubot
I wish i could see it from a different angle.
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Post by: Zuul
I wish I could have both of them on my desk yesterday.
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Post by: Fireball
ImAGeek wrote:The AL looks based off of this, which I'm 99% is a SoH marine. I think it would suit the Sons of Horus much better.
Thought about it a little bit ... FW painted it as an Alpha, but it really works better as a SoH. The axe looks much like the ones used by their Reavers. The serpents can be explained too - and its not a Hydra so why should it be an Alpha anyway?
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Post by: Darkjim
Where others have seen either a dog, lion or troll in that mask, the first thing I thought of was the baddies from the Wing Commander film ... googles ... Kilrathi, that's it
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Post by: Fireball
I really hoped FW would preview some new stuff which is available at the Weekender for the first time. 
So what is HH Book V: Tempest about? Only IW vs. IF?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Tempest is WB vs. UM, the attack on Calth.
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Post by: Fireball
Ok, that sounds better! Thanks
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Post by: ImAGeek
No worries. I'm very excited for it. I love the Ultramarines and Word Bearers pre heresy.
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Post by: Fireball
 ImAGeek wrote:No worries. I'm very excited for it. I love the Ultramarines and Word Bearers pre heresy.
Yep, judging from the images of the last event the Ultramarines will get some cool models.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Fireball wrote: ImAGeek wrote:No worries. I'm very excited for it. I love the Ultramarines and Word Bearers pre heresy.
Yep, judging from the images of the last event the Ultramarines will get some cool models.
And I'm hoping for more Chaosy WB (judging from the possessed Contemptor, im fairly confident we'll get them).
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Post by: Fireball
ImAGeek wrote: Fireball wrote: ImAGeek wrote:No worries. I'm very excited for it. I love the Ultramarines and Word Bearers pre heresy.
Yep, judging from the images of the last event the Ultramarines will get some cool models.
And I'm hoping for more Chaosy WB (judging from the possessed Contemptor, im fairly confident we'll get them).
Well, I am more into the "unpossessed" stuff (although the Gal Vorbak are really nice), but I guess you will get what you wish for judging from the Contemptor preview ...
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Post by: ImAGeek
Fireball wrote: ImAGeek wrote: Fireball wrote: ImAGeek wrote:No worries. I'm very excited for it. I love the Ultramarines and Word Bearers pre heresy.
Yep, judging from the images of the last event the Ultramarines will get some cool models.
And I'm hoping for more Chaosy WB (judging from the possessed Contemptor, im fairly confident we'll get them).
Well, I am more into the "unpossessed" stuff (although the Gal Vorbak are really nice), but I guess you will get what you wish for judging from the Contemptor preview ...
I like both, but the Unpossessed stuff is already there, and by Calth there were more possessed than just the Gal Vorbak, and even Daemons.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hopefully it's the only book on the topic though. We don't want FW getting bogged down with Black Library syndrome, where every event gets its own book or multiple books, and in 4 years time they haven't even gotten to Prospero because they're still on Book 3 of the "What the Sallies did Last Tuesday" quadrilogy.
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Post by: SpyderG6
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Hopefully it's the only book on the topic though. We don't want FW getting bogged down with Black Library syndrome, where every event gets its own book or multiple books, and in 4 years time they haven't even gotten to Prospero because they're still on Book 3 of the "What the Sallies did Last Tuesday" quadrilogy.
Couldn't agree more. They can always go back and come out with an additional Calth book after they have finished the Heresy or when they have caught up to the BL books.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Other than me, who else is going?
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Post by: ImAGeek
H.B.M.C. wrote:Hopefully it's the only book on the topic though. We don't want FW getting bogged down with Black Library syndrome, where every event gets its own book or multiple books, and in 4 years time they haven't even gotten to Prospero because they're still on Book 3 of the "What the Sallies did Last Tuesday" quadrilogy.
I'm pretty sure it's the only one. They might do another with the Shadow Crusade maybe? Or that could be in a book with something the White Scars are doing, or the Thramus Crusade, or something.
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Post by: Koppo
To the Weekender? I'm there...
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Post by: Zywus
ImAGeek wrote:What are they..? Past IW and AL I mean. The IW is cool, the AL is weird... What's in his hand pointing at us?
BrookM wrote:Space Marines need swagger sticks?
Close. I think it's supposed to be a Marshal's baton. They are thicker than swagger sticks and are (were) carried by high ranking generals as a symbol of their position.
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Post by: farmersboy
Every time I see a swagger stick I think of the last episode of Blackadder goes Forth
" Captain Blackadder: Don't forget your stick Lieutenant
Lieutenant George: Rather, sir. Wouldn't want to face a machine gun without this. "
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Post by: EmperorsChampion
Those Fists are amazing....
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Post by: Snrub
Sevatars chainglaive is fething atrocious looking. They really screwed the pooch on that. Also why has he got a white scar on the base? I thought the Night Lords were up against the Dark Angels during the heresy?
The Imperial Fists on the other hand... They are gorgeous looking. More marines need maces that look like that.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I love Sevatar. Especially the chainglaive, funnily.
I guess that stops all the 'is it/isn't it Sigismund' - still no mention of him in the Command Set! I absolutely love the standard bearers maul.
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Post by: Fireball
ImAGeek wrote:I love Sevatar. Especially the chainglaive, funnily.
I guess that stops all the 'is it/isn't it Sigismund' - still no mention of him in the Command Set! I absolutely love the standard bearers maul.
Well, Sevetar gives you a good idea that Sigismund will look much more impressive than the Command Set guy (although he looks good) ...
Looking at Sevetar ...this is the first time I might chose to go with the bare head instead of the helmet ...
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Post by: ImAGeek
The only reason I thought it might have been Sig is because that model is basically identical to the cover of the Templar audio drama. I don't really know what Siggy will look like because that model basically is Sigismund from the art we have, they've not left themselves much room unless they go ott with decoration, which doesn't really fit the IF I don't think.
And yeah, I think Sevs bare head is the first I've really liked. I'd still go with the helm though (I think all my 30k marines are gonna have helmets).
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Post by: uk_crow
Sevatar looks good apart from the chainglaive (which looks far too overcomplicated), looks like he has part of a Dark Angel helm decoration as a trophy on his belt???
Imperial fists look sweet, will definitely be starting a HH contingent for my IF force, once I get better with the airbrush. Although the commander pose looks slightly recycled from the GW emperors champion model.
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Post by: Moopy
Looks like it was the Imperial Fists legion command and not a named character after all....
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Post by: ImAGeek
 uk_crow wrote:Sevatar looks good apart from the chainglaive (which looks far too overcomplicated), looks like he has part of a Dark Angel helm decoration as a trophy on his belt???
Imperial fists look sweet, will definitely be starting a HH contingent for my IF force, once I get better with the airbrush. Although the commander pose looks slightly recycled from the GW emperors champion model.
Thay does kinda make sense as the Emperors Champion did originate with the Imperial Fists, and it's a cool pose.
And the DA helm trophy is a nice touch.
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Post by: Baragash
I don't understand why they put a blade over the chain bit instead of having a chain as the blade like....all other chain weapons.
Something like d) below but with a chain running round it...
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Post by: ImAGeek
It looks to me like the blade guides things into the chain, while also cutting itself. I like it, I think it looks cool, and it plays well with their fear tactics - it's very imposing!
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Post by: BrookM
Only thing that looks off to me with regards to Sev is that his gauntlets aren't crimson.
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Post by: Snrub
That's more of a painting issue rather then a sculpting issue though.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
I like how the painter decided to tease us by painting the dead marine as one of the White Scars.
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Post by: warboss
 Snrub wrote:Sevatars chainglaive is fething atrocious looking. They really screwed the pooch on that. Also why has he got a white scar on the base? I thought the Night Lords were up against the Dark Angels during the heresy?
The night lords were at Terra during the final assault (at least according to the NL novels) and so were the scars. If the scenic base is painted up to match that battle, it's fine.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 warboss wrote: Snrub wrote:Sevatars chainglaive is fething atrocious looking. They really screwed the pooch on that. Also why has he got a white scar on the base? I thought the Night Lords were up against the Dark Angels during the heresy?
The night lords were at Terra during the final assault (at least according to the NL novels) and so were the scars. If the scenic base is painted up to match that battle, it's fine.
I was thinking it might be the Siege of Terra. Seems a bit early but it's just a base.
I can't wait to see what they actually do with the White Scars though.
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Post by: Looky Likey
I've said this a few times but I'm convinced that all the character series will interlock or fit on a big scenic base tile(s) together. Siege of Terra while some of them would be missing, mostly by way of being dead, would be a great fit.
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Post by: StraightSilver
Does anybody else think the banner on the Fists command squad looks printed (in terms of the iconography - the banner itself is definitely resin)?
It doesn't look hand painted, unless I am being unfair on the painter, but it looks way too detailed to be have been painted on.
I'm guessing maybe it was printed off and stuck on but it may also be a decal.
If it's a decal that would be awesome as hand painting SM banners is a right pain and decals for all the major Legions / Chapters for both 40K and 30K would be awesome.
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Post by: Azreal13
The Emperor's Children decal sheet has a couple of banner designs on it, so it isn't impossible.
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Post by: StraightSilver
Ah cool, didn't realise that, will have to have a proper look at that decal sheet.
Edit: I am obviously a bit behind, never spotted the full colour banner decals on the HH Emperor's Children sheet, so yes that could very well be a Imp Fists banner decal too - that's very cool. Glad I haven't painted my Ultramarines HH command set now.
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Post by: Bronzefists42
I agree the bare head looks good.
Typhon's was good too but Kharn's bare head looked bad.
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Post by: Jpogfreak886
I going to throw my support behind Sevatar and his Chainglaive - I dunno about functionality but it looks pretty slick. After I was a little disappointed by Curze (which is it's own bag of fish, I know), I'm glad to see Nightlord sculpts I like
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Post by: beast_gts
Hadn't they already released the Solar Auxilia Medusa / Basilisk (as separate kits)?
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Post by: BrookM
Yeah, but they made it into one kit now, seeing as the main difference between the two was just the gun barrel.
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Post by: beast_gts
BrookM wrote:Yeah, but they made it into one kit now, seeing as the main difference between the two was just the gun barrel.
Thanks - thought I was losing it for a minute
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Post by: BrookM
Not a bad move IMHO, the bean counters may not like it, but with a few magnets you can easily swap between the two patterns without needing to buy two variant kits. 
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Post by: Theophony
 Looky Likey wrote:I've said this a few times but I'm convinced that all the character series will interlock or fit on a big scenic base tile(s) together. Siege of Terra while some of them would be missing, mostly by way of being dead, would be a great fit.
But how do Ferrus and Vulkan play into that? Also robot girlyman and lion el don't show up till the party is all done.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Theophony wrote: Looky Likey wrote:I've said this a few times but I'm convinced that all the character series will interlock or fit on a big scenic base tile(s) together. Siege of Terra while some of them would be missing, mostly by way of being dead, would be a great fit.
But how do Ferrus and Vulkan play into that? Also robot girlyman and lion el don't show up till the party is all done.
It could also just end up being a display thing- not necessarily the Siege of Terra, but a nice way to display them all together. Automatically Appended Next Post: Evil-doers on one side, Good-guys on the other.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Seems way to overdesigned, and with that many bases together, it seems like things would be really cluttered/lose the effect of each display plinth.
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Post by: deadairis
Want to love that chainglaive but it seems to make no sense.
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Post by: Jadenim
 spiralingcadaver wrote:Seems way to overdesigned, and with that many bases together, it seems like things would be really cluttered/lose the effect of each display plinth.
I dunno, there's quite a few of them on stairs, so a ruined grand staircase could give the height and depth to give each model its space. With Horus and the Emperor at the top?
I certainly think it's possible, gawd knows what the bundle cost for that will be if they do it though!
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Post by: Eldercaveman
 Jadenim wrote: spiralingcadaver wrote:Seems way to overdesigned, and with that many bases together, it seems like things would be really cluttered/lose the effect of each display plinth.
I dunno, there's quite a few of them on stairs, so a ruined grand staircase could give the height and depth to give each model its space. With Horus and the Emperor at the top?
I certainly think it's possible, gawd knows what the bundle cost for that will be if they do it though!
But they've already said some characters will get mutiple sculpts, so how will that work in the big display?
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Post by: Wyzilla
Hot damn the Prince of Crows looks utterly gorgeous, even better then Curze.
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Post by: BrookM
All we need now is a kit for the Atramentar.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Talos Valcoran and friends too ...
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Post by: ImAGeek
And the Kyroptera
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Post by: Ashiraya
Sevatar looks... Underwhelming. Too cluttered. I had hoped he would have a more dynamic and charismatic presence without so much bling.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Err...Sevatar IS one of the Kyroptera lol. (As well as Atramentar)
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah, I want the rest of them. And the traitor RG guy
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Post by: Johnson101
Just used my free shipping order for Forge World and the guy on phone orders said they have some very big stuff coming out soon that is very cool and he sounded very excited. I am now also very excited.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Johnson101 wrote:Just used my free shipping order for Forge World and the guy on phone orders said they have some very big stuff coming out soon that is very cool and he sounded very excited. I am now also very excited.
Er...so...business as usual from FW then?
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Post by: Baragash
Johnson101 wrote:Just used my free shipping order for Forge World and the guy on phone orders said they have some very big stuff coming out soon that is very cool and he sounded very excited. I am now also very excited.
Was it a website that can handle free shipping vouchers?
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Post by: ImAGeek
I've lost my bloody free shipping voucher -.- not that id decided what to buy...
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Post by: Johnson101
I he asked what I play and I said Elysian's and Solar Auxilia and he said I should look out for some new releases soon for my armies. From what he implied it sounded like a rather large model or something similar maybe next HH book, the new marine flyer or I'd say the Stormhammer,
As a side note dam I love forge world, finally getting some HH books!
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Post by: Theophony
US tax refund season is here, so just maybe that warlord titan that's floated rumors around for a while.
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Post by: SirDonlad
Theophony wrote:US tax refund season is here, so just maybe that warlord titan that's floated rumors around for a while.
I'd love it but i doubt it. its like the plastic thunderhawk/warhound re-ocurring rumour.
it's most likely the stormhammer- it got rules in book 4 and even a picture; just like the knight cerastus lancer before it.
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Post by: BrookM
A million times this. Why they decide to use such a backwards system of granting free shipping when their checkout section has a voucher box is beyond me.
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Post by: Radu Lykan
so the guy on the phone can add more stuff to your basket for you? mine was adamant that i needed more stuff than i originally rang up to order....
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Post by: ImAGeek
SirDonlad wrote: Theophony wrote:US tax refund season is here, so just maybe that warlord titan that's floated rumors around for a while.
I'd love it but i doubt it. its like the plastic thunderhawk/warhound re-ocurring rumour.
it's most likely the stormhammer- it got rules in book 4 and even a picture; just like the knight cerastus lancer before it.
To be fair I think they've said they're planning to do a Warlord Titan. I doubt it's any time soon though.
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Post by: Computron
Awesome Sevatar model and base. Dead marine is a let down for an otherwise good job. It just looks like a regular marine was repositioned to be on the stairs. I don't see it likely that the helmet would end up like that and where is the backpack?
That chain glaive thing looks the business too.
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Post by: Darth Bob
I love the Sevatar model. That bare head is really, really awesome. So much expression and character!
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
Johnson101 wrote:Just used my free shipping order for Forge World and the guy on phone orders said they have some very big stuff coming out soon that is very cool and he sounded very excited. I am now also very excited.
Oh, joy! I can't wait for them to email everyone five million times a day about it!
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Frozen Ocean wrote:Johnson101 wrote:Just used my free shipping order for Forge World and the guy on phone orders said they have some very big stuff coming out soon that is very cool and he sounded very excited. I am now also very excited.
Oh, joy! I can't wait for them to email everyone five million times a day about it!
Why don't you just unsubscribe... They email like 3/4 times a week, you don't have to receive them if that's too much.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
I'm not subscribed, but there was a time when this thread was overflowing with people complaining exclusively about getting a barrage of spam from Forge World. I'm pretty sure it was in the range of several times a day.
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Post by: Joyboozer
ImAGeek wrote: Frozen Ocean wrote:Johnson101 wrote:Just used my free shipping order for Forge World and the guy on phone orders said they have some very big stuff coming out soon that is very cool and he sounded very excited. I am now also very excited.
Oh, joy! I can't wait for them to email everyone five million times a day about it!
Why don't you just unsubscribe... They email like 3/4 times a week, you don't have to receive them if that's too much.
Have you tried to unsubscribe? They're method of unsubscribing doesn't work!
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Post by: stormboy
Frozen Ocean wrote:I'm not subscribed, but there was a time when this thread was overflowing with people complaining exclusively about getting a barrage of spam from Forge World. I'm pretty sure it was in the range of several times a day.
That people were complaining or that FW would send out an email?
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
People were complaining that Forge World were sending emails several times a day is what I meant, yes.
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Post by: Azreal13
Yep, it was what prompted me to unsubscribe, the mails were at least daily, and mostly with zero content ("you know that thing that our last message said there were only 50 left of? Well now there's only 47!" Type stuff)
It felt kind of desperate, and I signed up to be informed of new product releases, not relentlessly hounded to buy stuff I didnt want.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I can't say it's like that now... There's one on a Monday with the new blog post, one on a Friday with the new releases and maybe 1/2 in the week with event information or something.
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Post by: Azreal13
That's what it always was, they just went through a phase (probably festively related) where they turned into real spammers.
Bridges burned as far as I'm concerned, I know where they are if I want something, the stuff they're releasing often popped up on Dakka before my email arrived anyway, and as a result of their being irresponsible with my contact details, I've removed the chance they had to market to me directly.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Fair enough dunno if I missed that phase or just didn't pay attention. But yeah, the previews and stuff they send you are up on here within minutes anyway.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Well I dunno what volume constitutes spam but in general, going back for the last 2 years I have recieved 3 messages a week. Starting the two weeks before Christmas and continuing to today I've recieved an email every business day.
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Post by: SirDonlad
 aka_mythos wrote:Well I dunno what volume constitutes spam but in general, going back for the last 2 years I have recieved 3 messages a week. Starting the two weeks before Christmas and continuing to today I've recieved an email every business day.
I'd call that spam for sure.
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Post by: ImAGeek
aka_mythos wrote:Well I dunno what volume constitutes spam but in general, going back for the last 2 years I have recieved 3 messages a week. Starting the two weeks before Christmas and continuing to today I've recieved an email every business day.
About what? Because I'm subscribed too and I haven't had one today, or everyday since before Christmas...
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Post by: Azreal13
Today's not a business day.
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Post by: ImAGeek
He said continuing til today... And it is for them, because today was the last day you could use the free shipping voucher so they must've been open. And that doesn't change the fact that they haven't emailed every day since 2 weeks before Christmas. The only thing I can think is maybe he had something in his basket, because then you get the annoying 'you have items in your basket' automated email things.
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Post by: Azreal13
I think you're falling into the trap of missing the general by focusing on the specific there dude, but either way, if the perception from some consumers is that the emails have reached a point where they're perceived to be annoying rather than interesting, whether they've actually been sending them out everyday or no, then FW have probably been overdoing them.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Fair enough but people are making it out to be much worse than it actually is. Either way if it's annoying just unsubscribe.
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Post by: Azreal13
I'm not, I experienced it, and I did.
In fact, I've just checked my inbox. From roughly the middle of November to early Dec when I unsubscribed, I received at least one per working day, on two occasions I received two, and I've probably deleted several emails from that lot.
Most weren't newsletters, they were news "flashes" which were essentially "buy this! We sell this! Did you know we sell these!" in nature. Before that point, they were, as you say, a couple of times a week.
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Post by: Peregrine
ImAGeek wrote:Fair enough but people are making it out to be much worse than it actually is.
I don't see that at all. People are quite reasonably pointing out that FW is spamming us with low-content emails, and it's kind of annoying. Nobody is claiming that it's the end of the world or that FW is the worst ever because of this.
As for the why, I wonder if this is a "main GW" thing. It seems like the kind of clueless move they'd do, their old copy of How the Internet Works from 1998 probably has a bit about how email advertising is a great way to increase sales, so FW gets a monthly quota of "PLEASE BUY SOMETHING" emails to fill.
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Post by: Red Corsair
I'm honestly not a fan of any of the night lord HH stuff. I think they are trying way to hard to make them look gory and spooky, sometimes less is more.
Thats OK though I am just gona sit here and wait for my Iron Warriors to get some love! I want more then a contemptor dang it!
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Post by: Zuul
 Red Corsair wrote:I'm honestly not a fan of any of the night lord HH stuff. I think they are trying way to hard to make them look gory and spooky, sometimes less is more.
Thats OK though I am just gona sit here and wait for my Iron Warriors to get some love! I want more then a contemptor dang it!
Have you grabbed up the citadel warsmith? I love that model.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
Red Corsair wrote:I'm honestly not a fan of any of the night lord HH stuff. I think they are trying way to hard to make them look gory and spooky, sometimes less is more.
I don't think "less is more" has ever been applied to the Night Lords. Definitely not in models. I pity the person who has to attempt to make a decent design with the limitation of "they have to have bat wings on their heads".
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Post by: MajorStoffer
Frozen Ocean wrote: Red Corsair wrote:I'm honestly not a fan of any of the night lord HH stuff. I think they are trying way to hard to make them look gory and spooky, sometimes less is more.
I don't think "less is more" has ever been applied to the Night Lords. Definitely not in models. I pity the person who has to attempt to make a decent design with the limitation of "they have to have bat wings on their heads".
Yeah, that's not something I'd like to have to work with as an artist.
the aesthetic for Night Lords has always been, quite frankly, bad and overly cartoonish, beyond even Forgeworld's considerable talent in trying to make 40k look remotely plausible. The problem, I imagine, would be to differentiate them aesthetically from Alpha Legion and Raven Guard if they tried to ground them too much; they'd just be another dark colour palette Marine army with a few extra "deranged" add-ons.
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Post by: Red Corsair
Great points guys, but honestly the HH era guys didn't all have bat wings on their heads. I mean I find it strange that the last model posted in here of an alpha legionary would make way more sense as a night lord lol.
Just put flayed skin loin cloths and masks on some of the leaders (not every fething one) and some chains of finger and rib bones and let the painter differentiate them. Night lords are one of those factions where 95% of their identity is from their paint job so the sculpt has a rare opportunity to be subtle. I mean I can paint a bare bones tactical squad midnight blue with lightning and there is no question what faction I'm playing, don't even need icons. You can't do that with many other factions.
I hate the loony bat wings on heads, it makes the scale look even worse by putting more focus on their already big heads.
That glaive kills me as well, but I don't mind it much as I would just use the head off a chain axe in place of it, however the pose is moronic, why would you give a guy with a pole arm a duelists dagger? I loved Kharn who was incredibly basic, yet screaming with identity, he's a perfect example of less being more IMHO.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
Every Legion has a particular theme, and so far we've seen the characters be the utmost example of that theme. Just as the Imperial Fists characters are covered in fists and laurels and so on, the Night Lords characters will be covered in bat wings and other silly "scary" embellishments. There's no way around it - those have been the icons by which the Night Lords have been recognised for a very long time. Would you really be happy if a Character Series model from your favourite Legion was "left up to the painter" to give identity?
Also, lightning bolts are a very specific thing, so it's kind of like saying that you could paint a Tactical Marine red with black droplets and it would be immediately recognisable as a Blood Angel. Still, most of the Legions can easily be identified by their colour scheme alone, especially the Imperial Fists (same goes for many xenos factions). The only instance where a colour scheme might be confused between two primary factions would be Raven Guard and Black Templars because they're both black and white.
Also ugh, don't talk to me about that Alpha Legionnaire's face. It looks like an actual joke.
EDIT: That said, the Night Raptors look pretty okay.
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Post by: JWBS
They sent me one email every day in December. Unsubscribing was easy though, nothing since. I just read this thread now for news.
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Post by: Ignatius-Grulgor
I've avoided the bat wings on all my night lords models so far, the lightning and skull face helms are enough by themselves to differentiate them, throw in the occasional skin coated armour piece or corpse trophy and how much more do you really need to not be 'evil looking crimson fists'.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Frozen Ocean wrote:Every Legion has a particular theme, and so far we've seen the characters be the utmost example of that theme. Just as the Imperial Fists characters are covered in fists and laurels and so on, the Night Lords characters will be covered in bat wings and other silly "scary" embellishments. There's no way around it - those have been the icons by which the Night Lords have been recognised for a very long time. Would you really be happy if a Character Series model from your favourite Legion was "left up to the painter" to give identity?
Also, lightning bolts are a very specific thing, so it's kind of like saying that you could paint a Tactical Marine red with black droplets and it would be immediately recognisable as a Blood Angel. Still, most of the Legions can easily be identified by their colour scheme alone, especially the Imperial Fists (same goes for many xenos factions). The only instance where a colour scheme might be confused between two primary factions would be Raven Guard and Black Templars because they're both black and white.
Also ugh, don't talk to me about that Alpha Legionnaire's face. It looks like an actual joke.
EDIT: That said, the Night Raptors look pretty okay.
I've never liked "spoof" armies very much...but that AL model is giving me serious urges to make a squad of Meme Marines using the old Movie Marines rules, all in white with black accents and each with a different memeface helmet
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Post by: Goatmoerser
Did anyone notice that they put Sevatar on a new 32mm base?
I can't really figure out what bases the two new IF are standing on. Would be really interesting to know if FW joins GW and puts their Marines on the new bases now.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I hope they start coming with the 32mm. Luckily, I only have about 15 on bases if I want to rebase them.
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Post by: Peregrine
 Goatmoerser wrote:Would be really interesting to know if FW joins GW and puts their Marines on the new bases now.
I don't see why they wouldn't, the larger bases are the new standard for MEQs and for a good reason. The only argument against the new bases is an appeal to tradition and I can't imagine FW caring too much about that.
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
I dunno what you guys are smoking, but Sevatar looks fantastic.
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Post by: Desubot
I like how his head piece makes a cute little heart on his head. (the two bat wings)
Its adorable.
Cant wait till Alexis
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
Turning the wings into something more like horns was a good move. They actually look okay on Sevatar and the Night Raptors. If I were a Night Lords fan, I'd probably like him. The "I'm wearing a person" look has never appealed to me. That said, his chainglaive is fine, especially if the blades are powered.
Larger bases make sense. GW designers said it looked better, and Forge World are all about the looks. It also means they can incorporate more design into the base. That chunk of stair wouldn't look as good in 25mm.
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_46.html
FORGE WORLD BULLETIN #46
As a hobbyist, it’s always exciting to walk through the Forge World Studio and see the great new models being worked on and talk to the designers about their projects. With the Horus Heresy Weekender coming up, there are more models than ever being finished and put into production. The Weekender will be a great chance for those of you attending to see these new models first and speak to their designers. One beautiful brute of a model caught my eye this week, and I hear that he and his squad will be ready in time for the event. Take a look…
A hulking new model that’ll be smashing its way out of the Forge World Studio pretty soon!
For more of what’s coming up at the Horus Heresy Weekender, make sure you check out our Newsflash this Wednesday.
It’s great to see different painting styles and techniques in use. More than a few of the designers in the Forge World Studio keep an airbrush in their painting armoury. Keith Robertson has put his to great effect in getting his Mechanicum army started. The metallic, cherry-red paint scheme really makes Keith’s Castellax Battle-automata and Thallax stand out.
The start of Keith’s Mechanicum Taghmata Omnissiah army.
If you’re coming to the Horus Heresy Weekender and want to learn more about airbrushing techniques, join designer Phil Stutcinskas at his Airbrushing Demo Pod. Take a look at the full Weekender schedule HERE.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Chris.
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Post by: BrookM
Finally, Charonites are on the way! 
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Post by: ImAGeek
And looking freaking sweet! FW reallyyyy want me to do Solar Auxilia...
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Post by: Kosake
Charowhatnow? That thing looks like an ogryn with a very impractical chainsaw-paw.
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Post by: beast_gts
Kosake wrote:
Charowhatnow? That thing looks like an ogryn with a very impractical chainsaw-paw.
"Charonites are biochemically and cybernetically altered Ogryn abhumans, mutilated in mind and body and left entirely creatures of brute obedience and drug-induced frenzy by remote control" - from Conquest.
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Post by: BrookM
Kosake wrote:
Charowhatnow? That thing looks like an ogryn with a very impractical chainsaw-paw.
You bitch at everything in this thread don't you?
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Post by: Dryaktylus
Kosake wrote:
Charowhatnow? That thing looks like an ogryn with a very impractical chainsaw-paw.
Looks like a bunch of buzz saws. Seems far more practical than the usual chainsaws.
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Post by: Kosake
BrookM wrote: Kosake wrote:
Charowhatnow? That thing looks like an ogryn with a very impractical chainsaw-paw.
You bitch at everything in this thread don't you?
Nah, I actually like a lot of stuff FW does, but they rarely fail to include some marvel of engineering that is sure to attract my attention.
I think the new sculpt would go great with the chaosy ogryns for the lost and the damned. With the bigger models you want as much uniqueness as possible and I think they only have like 3 or 4 chaos-ogryn sculpts so far.
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Post by: warboss
BrookM wrote: Kosake wrote:
Charowhatnow? That thing looks like an ogryn with a very impractical chainsaw-paw.
You bitch at everything in this thread don't you?
Everyone knows that 38,000 years from now running at each other with single handed chainsaws instead of just shooting with your other weapon is the very definition of practical.
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Post by: Red Corsair
As much as I like that model, all I see are the inevitable defects and nightmare of cleaning up the casting between those saw blades There is no way the production copies pull that clean.
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Post by: Desubot
What a gnarly backscratcher.
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Post by: scottmmmm
That Ogryn looks a lot like a BioShock Big Daddy.
Not that I'm complaining - I really like it. Maybe it's just a side effect of the Solar Auxilia aesthetic...
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Post by: BrookM
Those Ogryn are wearing void suits after all.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Love it will definitely get one for my CSM army, should fit in well with there Khorne Ogres.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Red Corsair wrote:As much as I like that model, all I see are the inevitable defects and nightmare of cleaning up the casting between those saw blades There is no way the production copies pull that clean.
That's my fear as well. You'd end up with a jumbled mess of miscast resin... ick!
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Post by: ImAGeek
H.B.M.C. wrote: Red Corsair wrote:As much as I like that model, all I see are the inevitable defects and nightmare of cleaning up the casting between those saw blades There is no way the production copies pull that clean.
That's my fear as well. You'd end up with a jumbled mess of miscast resin... ick!
Maybe each blade is separate and you glue them in?
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Post by: BrookM
Who knows? I feared that the Solar Auxilia would be a miscast clusterfeth due to all those hoses and pipes they sport, but they turned out just fine.
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Post by: morganfreeman
Kosake wrote:
Charowhatnow? That thing looks like an Ork conversion waiting to happen.
Fixed that for you.
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Post by: Darth Bob
Oooooh.
I have so many unassembled/unpainted models. I'm trying to stick to my New Years resolution to finish assembling/painting them before buying new stuff but these Forge World releases and teases are making it really hard. I've gotta finish them before that Ogryn comes out!
*quickly runs to superglue and paint*
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Post by: Koppo
You'll have to be quick, I think they are out this weekend.
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Post by: BrookM
I think we'll be seeing the Stormhammer first before a squad of these guys.
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Post by: Koppo
BrookM wrote:I think we'll be seeing the Stormhammer first before a squad of these guys.
Depends on if the bulletin means they'll have previews this weekend of if the squad is available for (pre)-purchase.
FORGE WORLD BULLETIN #46 wrote:
As a hobbyist, it’s always exciting to walk through the Forge World Studio and see the great new models being worked on and talk to the designers about their projects. With the Horus Heresy Weekender coming up, there are more models than ever being finished and put into production. The Weekender will be a great chance for those of you attending to see these new models first and speak to their designers. One beautiful brute of a model caught my eye this week, and I hear that he and his squad will be ready in time for the event. Take a look
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Post by: e.earnshaw
Those ogryns look nasty (in a good way) shame if i go buy them at warhammer world the factory wont be open and it will be posted minus cost.
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Post by: Haighus
Kastorel-Novem is going out of stock, first I've heard of it. Are we looking at a 2nd Edition in the near future? http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/IMPERIAL-ARMOUR-VOLUME-EIGHT---RAID-ON-KASTOREL-NOVEM.html
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Post by: BrookM
Interesting, here's hoping that 2nd edition will have an updated Elysian army list.
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Post by: Fireball
Woohoo ... of course Pollux stand on top of an Iron Warriors banner. Really look forward getting his model as I am currently completing my first unit of Imperial Fists!
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Post by: ImAGeek
I love that Mhara Gal Dread. Actually I pretty much love it all, but boy do the WB seem appealing.
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Post by: Desubot
Fireball wrote:Woohoo ... of course Pollux stand on top of an Iron Warriors banner. Really look forward getting his model as I am currently completing my first unit of Imperial Fists!
Man cant wait.
to bad i cant go to these things :/
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Post by: Haighus
Wow, the Solar Auxillia REALLY can't get enough multilasers, I think CS Goto has found his dream army...
That is all looking awesome. I know the Stormhammer isn't the same as the original Epic model, but it still looks damn nice, and Polux is brilliant.
Those Scyllax are really cool, possibly Dark Mech?
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Post by: ImAGeek
I know it's not much to go on, but 'Guardian-Automata' doesn't sound very Dark Mech.
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Post by: BrookM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh gak, so happy right now!
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Post by: whitetornado
The image for the reprint of the Vraks campaign was left out.
In the image it simply shows the book title as "The Siege of Vraks" and shows artwork from the third volume. I guess all the volumes been combined. Thick book.
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Post by: Haighus
ImAGeek wrote:
I know it's not much to go on, but 'Guardian-Automata' doesn't sound very Dark Mech.
True, although Scyllax kinda does. It was the mechadendrites everywhere and the Ancient Greek monster name that was making me lean to DM, but then normal Ad Mech is pretty damn creepy too (and has names based on things like the Greek god of death). Automatically Appended Next Post:  whitetornado wrote:The image for the reprint of the Vraks campaign was left out.
In the image it simply shows the book title as "The Seige of Vraks" and shows artwork from the third volume. I guess all the volumes been combined. Thick book.
Some of the rules will be combined and streamlined though, so it won't be quite as thick as the 3 previous books put together.
Also, misspelling "siege" in such a prominent location...? Oh dear. :/
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Post by: thenoobbomb
That Iron Warrior is so pretty~
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Post by: Koppo
Is the Scyllax 'Guardian-Automata' in any of the existing books? As a Ad-mech man I want some by default but, what are they?
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Post by: BrookM
They're also selling Horus Heresy era pins. Oh my days. 
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
There isn't one f those models I don't love will definitely pick up one of each eventually.
Did Polux fight on Terra?
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Post by: zedmeister
More things to tempt me! About time the quad mortar rapier made an appearance. Those servo skull nasties look pretty nice too.
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Post by: Senortaco
Holy gak, almost everything this thread discussed in the last few pages was released in one update
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Post by: warboss
I really like the look of the new stormhammer compared with the previous ones once the side sponsons are added. I was firmly in the "meh..." camp and didn't see the fuss either way previously but with that view I'm stepping over the line to the "good job, FW!" side.
The fat men in scuba "I'm totally not inspired by bioshock" ogryn are another story though.
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Post by: BrookM
Ogryn in steampunk space suits, what's not to like?
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Post by: Ratius
Really liking those Scyllax!
Less convinced on the Ogres, their weapons look pretty cool but the big backpacks dont do it for me, neither does the un-helmeted one.
That tank is....too over the top. It has much to much going on.
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Post by: Nicky J
I hope there an alternate helmeted option for that middle ogryn, or you can model it with the visor down - bit derpy for my liking
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Post by: BrookM
The backpacks are the life support system, pretty much the same as found on the regular Solar Auxilia, just a wee bit bigger so they can keep a genetically modified monster alive in space. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Nicky J wrote:I hope there an alternate helmeted option for that middle ogryn, or you can model it with the visor down - bit derpy for my liking
Chances are this will be the case, as all previous sets of Solar Auxilia come with the option for leaders and vox operators to have opened and closed helmets.
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Post by: e.earnshaw
Oh i wish i hadnt just bought an extra 2000pts of death guard. Or that solar auxlia army would be reality.
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Post by: warboss
Steampunk. It's just not my thing outside of maybe fantasy dwarves if done well. YMMV.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Koppo wrote:Is the Scyllax 'Guardian-Automata' in any of the existing books? As a Ad-mech man I want some by default but, what are they?
They're not, no. I'm assuming they'll be in Tempest.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
That Alpha Legionnaire is an absolute abomination, and not in the good way. At least he's an event exclusive. What is that supposed to be? It looks like the sculptor forgot to finish the face, so they stuck a bit of white tack on it and hastily sculpted a rough approximation of a face. Or Mr Bean was involved.
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Post by: Yodhrin
warboss wrote:
Steampunk. It's just not my thing outside of maybe fantasy dwarves if done well. YMMV.
The SA are more Dieselpunk/retro-futurist really.
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Post by: whitetornado
Haighus wrote:
Also, misspelling "siege" in such a prominent location...? Oh dear. :/
I apologize. I got distracted trying to get the image in there. I've corrected it so that i won't offend further.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Frozen Ocean wrote:That Alpha Legionnaire is an absolute abomination, and not in the good way. At least he's an event exclusive. What is that supposed to be? It looks like the sculptor forgot to finish the face, so they stuck a bit of white tack on it and hastily sculpted a rough approximation of a face. Or Mr Bean was involved.
It's not specifically an AL. The concept art he's based off is a Sons of Horus marine, I posted it a couple of pages back. I think he's just a space marine in general but they painted him as AL. Not that that changes any of your criticism haha, which I do mostly agree with, although he has grown on me.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
The chest design appears to be lots of snakes and a skull, so I don't think it's a generic design. It's a pity, really, since the rest of the miniature is pretty good. At least heads are the easiest part to replace.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Frozen Ocean wrote:The chest design appears to be lots of snakes and a skull, so I don't think it's a generic design. It's a pity, really, since the rest of the miniature is pretty good. At least heads are the easiest part to replace.
Well the snakes/skull were on the original concept art, which was a Soms of Horus marine. And they obviously thought it was generic enough to not paint it as a sons of Horus. Snakes and Skulls aren't really tied to any legion. Snakes kind of SoH (the serpent eye etc).
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The Skrillex automata thingies are interesting, the Ogryn are nice. The quad-Multilaser is great!
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Post by: Alpharius
The full Stormhammer reveal is nice - I like it.
I would have loved it and bought it if the turret had the classic two battle-cannons on it too!
(OK, I still might get one!)
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Post by: Azreal13
Alpharius wrote:The full Stormhammer reveal is nice - I like it.
I would have loved it and bought it if the turret had the classic two battle-cannons on it too!
(OK, I still might get one!)
Agreed.
Ok, it's not a Skullhammer in quite the way it might have been, but it's still a nice tank.
Could maybe use a few more guns.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
ImAGeek wrote: Frozen Ocean wrote:The chest design appears to be lots of snakes and a skull, so I don't think it's a generic design. It's a pity, really, since the rest of the miniature is pretty good. At least heads are the easiest part to replace.
Well the snakes/skull were on the original concept art, which was a Soms of Horus marine. And they obviously thought it was generic enough to not paint it as a sons of Horus. Snakes and Skulls aren't really tied to any legion. Snakes kind of SoH (the serpent eye etc).
I've never seen any snake iconography relating to the Sons of Horus, only wolves. Their "Eye of Horus" having a slit pupil doesn't mean it's a snake eye, and even if it did, the Alpha Legion are still far more serpent themed than any other, having actual hydras all over everything.
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Post by: Apologist
Not sure if the background's changed, but the Eye of Horus used to be associated with the Serpent Lodge of Davin (old Adeptus Titanicus). Horus himself had serpent imagery associated with him, on the Eternity Gate (though that was obviously post-Heresy).
I'm any case, I agree with Frozen Ocean. I don't think the Lion-masked model is supposed to be associated with any particularly Legion. It's a nice generic one. There's an older Blanche sketch of a generic Legionary from Visions of Heresy that resembles it a lot, and the Sons of Horus sketch looks based on that.
Lovely models, lovely previews.
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Post by: Fireball
Frozen Ocean wrote: ImAGeek wrote: Frozen Ocean wrote:The chest design appears to be lots of snakes and a skull, so I don't think it's a generic design. It's a pity, really, since the rest of the miniature is pretty good. At least heads are the easiest part to replace.
Well the snakes/skull were on the original concept art, which was a Soms of Horus marine. And they obviously thought it was generic enough to not paint it as a sons of Horus. Snakes and Skulls aren't really tied to any legion. Snakes kind of SoH (the serpent eye etc).
I've never seen any snake iconography relating to the Sons of Horus, only wolves. Their "Eye of Horus" having a slit pupil doesn't mean it's a snake eye, and even if it did, the Alpha Legion are still far more serpent themed than any other, having actual hydras all over everything.
Page 83 of HH Book I shows a SoH symbol in combination with snakes ... so it is not that far fetched
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Post by: Azreal13
No, the Sons Of Horus use the Eye Of Horus, which is a real thing..
No connection with serpents or similar, that's very much AL territory. Automatically Appended Next Post: Fireball wrote: Frozen Ocean wrote: ImAGeek wrote: Frozen Ocean wrote:The chest design appears to be lots of snakes and a skull, so I don't think it's a generic design. It's a pity, really, since the rest of the miniature is pretty good. At least heads are the easiest part to replace.
Well the snakes/skull were on the original concept art, which was a Soms of Horus marine. And they obviously thought it was generic enough to not paint it as a sons of Horus. Snakes and Skulls aren't really tied to any legion. Snakes kind of SoH (the serpent eye etc).
I've never seen any snake iconography relating to the Sons of Horus, only wolves. Their "Eye of Horus" having a slit pupil doesn't mean it's a snake eye, and even if it did, the Alpha Legion are still far more serpent themed than any other, having actual hydras all over everything.
Page 83 of HH Book I shows a SoH symbol in combination with snakes ... so it is not that far fetched
I think the whole connection with serpents is more to do with a metaphor for traitorous behaviour, it isn't really part of Legion iconography.
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Post by: ImAGeek
The Sons of Horus eye is the symbol of the Serpent Lodge on Davin.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The Eye is the symbol of the Serpent Lodge on Davin. This is the original concept art for the model, a Sons of Horus marine from the art of the Istvaan trilogy book that came with the LE Extermination: 
Still has the snakes. And as said, the SoH page in the HH books has the serpents with the eye.
There's a difference between snakes and hydras. If it was hydras, sure, it would be AL. But I think it's just a generic marine that they painted as an AL (probably admittedly because of the snakes).
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
I just think it's fairly natural to assume that a Marine bearing snake iconography is an Alpha Legionnaire, based on the Alpha Legion's prominent featuring of snakes and snake themes rather than an obscure reference to a loose connection that another Legion has to snakes (the name of a place where their Primarch went once). Horus wore an eye symbol before going to the Lodge, if The Triumph at Ullanor artwork is accurate.
Why would a Son of Horus bear Serpent Lodge iconography, anyway?
You're confusing me with someone else!
That's supposed to be a lion? Wow. I don't know if that makes it better or worse.
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