£34 is the same price as the contemptor's chassis but I bet that the weapons are more expensive. Looks like it has the contemptor's legs.

The 34 GBP price point referred to another model, contemptor I think.

Similar, but no, the proportions are different. It has it's own kind of legs. Looks good, I feared chickenlegs for a while.

On a sidenote: holy feth, missiles, cannons and flamethrowers Oh My! Bring the Dakka.

I guess the feet are showing an evolution towards the current design of dreadnought.

I kind of wish they'd made the torso the current sarcophagus with these legs and a variety of arms.

... and then I noticed the melta-guns for close-in work. Dang! It's like a Devastator combined with a Dreadnought.

It's probably also where the Tau got the inspiration for their entire aesthetic.

Yuck in a big way.

Heres a pic without the autocannon cut off




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Should also note I freakin love it after being concerned initially.

Is Deredeo "Timberwolf" in High Gothic? haha

It reminds me more of a Zaku from Gundam for some reason... I think its the legs and feet

Deredeo is a throwback to one of the original dreadnought chassis from RT.

I appreciate the nostalgia, but not the model!

I like this model, I want one. Looks like it could be a good AA platform, too.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I like this model, I want one. Looks like it could be a good AA platform, too.

Yeah that missile rack says AA and then some to me lol. I wonder if the Autocannons are AA as well? Looks like it has a similar function to the Stalker in that it secures itself for firing weapons with the feet.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Yuck in a big way.

Eh, aye, this. I think this might be the first time FW have put out a model I actually actively dislike, rather than immediately fall in love with or am only indifferent to.

That is.... ridiculous.

I think the only problem with it is the size of the autocannons in proportion to the rest of the model.

wow. not liking that at all

looks like it'll fall over. kinda 'breaks the fourth wall' for me if you see what i mean.

FINALY Here's the option I was looking for building Angry Marines, I just never could find suitable feet for Power Boots.

Pass on the rest of it though.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I appreciate the nostalgia, but not the model!

Each to his own I guess. I think it looks awesome.

yup dig it..makes my old battletech senses tingle..put a little canopy over the helmet area..and its my rifleman with lrm packs..lol
I will get a couple for my marines Malevolent.

Plus those ammo feed belts are awesome.

It'd be a cool looking model in Battletech, but that's just a lot of yuck for 40k. The RT design of Dreadnoughs needs to stay dead, although hopefully it's exclusively an HH model.

I really wanna stick a little Squat pilot where the head is! Would look awesome, I think

"Mad Cat" Battlemec.... uhhh.... Dreadno...ummm... Dreadmech looks amazing!!!

Looks like it'll be fun to paint.

My god... I want three!

definitely an improvement to the contemptor, my guess is whirlwind missile launcher that can upgrade to a hyperious missile launcher and two twin linked accellorator autocannons

 Padre wrote:
Dreadmech

Perfect!

That's what we should call it.

And we can play games of DreadWarrior.

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
two twin linked accellorator autocannons

Please dear god no. The Sicaran is bad enough as it is, we don't need a unit with twice as much firepower.

The joke is that it'll still have less firepower than a IA Riptide.

The aesthatics of it is just soo wrong...

 Peregrine wrote:

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
two twin linked accellorator autocannons

Please dear god no. The Sicaran is bad enough as it is, we don't need a unit with twice as much firepower.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if it was just normal twin-linked autocannons with the "rapid tracking" rule (ignore jink saves) if it is an AA platform (much like the old Hydra).

I just finished painting a bunch of those Mechanicus mechs for a commission.

I was pretty impressed with the resin castings, it didn't take too much to clean them up, except for a few small bubbles.

The new Dred, is that an updated redesign of the old Rogue Trader dred or is it just using the old name?

It doesn't really look like the old RT one much.

No it does not. "Eddie" and .... can't remember the other one.

It's an update of this:



... the old Chaos Dread from Space Crusade.

In reference to the name: the original RT era dreadnought was available in three different versions Furibundus, Deredeo, and Contemptor, but they were also sold as Fury, Eddie, and a third name that escapes me.

Chuck?

Yeah that's it. Classic dreadnought name.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Looks very gundam. Will have to see the dread painted before passing judgement.

Yeah i would rather just use a Gundam model. That thing is terrible.

I don't think you can judge the size and depth of the torso too well, but those guns are too long for it. I bet it's going to have rules that change people's minds.

I think the new Dreadnought looks really cool! Great throwback to the old RT Dreadnoughts. I don't get all the hate.

I LOVE how over the top the Dread is.

 Darth Bob wrote:
I think the new Dreadnought looks really cool! Great throwback to the old RT Dreadnoughts. I don't get all the hate.

I, personally, can't see the throwback to the old "peanut" Deredeo, in its' figure or weapons loadout.

The FW Contemptor - yep, sure, could see the "roots" of that model in the peanuts. Not this one...

That being said, I like the Dreadmech on it's own merits as a model.

Edit - sorry, forgot to add - name aside, I think HBMC is right, it's closer to an update of the Space Crusade MK X Abomination than anything else...

I'd love to see an updated version of those old peanuts!

Awful, totally unnecassary model ... and the name is awful too.

Will this one then also make a comeback?

I hope so. An updated version of that could be very interesting to see.

I like that this model is polarising.

 Malika2 wrote:
Will this one then also make a comeback?

I thought it had, in a way, with the plastic Hellbrute... seems to be some similar design aesthetics.

Hmm, on an aesthetic level sort of. But I mean more of the old stuff coming back. I mean, the Gal Vorbak already look like the RT era Chaos Space Marines, so I'm curious to see FW expand on that (if they ever decide to do some post-Heresy stuff again).

 Malika2 wrote:
Will this one then also make a comeback?

A dreadnought with a penis.
Makes sense.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's an update of this:



... the old Chaos Dread from Space Crusade.

See when I look at it, it appears to be a mix of that and this:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Will this one then also make a comeback?

A dreadnought with a penis.
Makes sense.

It's a Slaanesh dreadnought of course.

 Denilsta wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Will this one then also make a comeback?

A dreadnought with a penis.
Makes sense.

It's a Slaanesh dreadnought of course.

Actually, that red and black dread has been assembled "incorrectly"... Here's the original catalogue page, showing the correct groin...uhhh... "orientation".

So more of a Scorpion's Sting then?

Whew!

I really dislike the new Dreadnought, but the gun arms look good. I love cool ammunition belt feeds. At the very least, the arm options will be good for conversions and things.

 Alpharius wrote:
So more of a Scorpion's Sting then?

Whew!

...or a rear facing penis.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
So more of a Scorpion's Sting then?

Whew!

...or a rear facing penis.

I've seen mine dancing like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs.... Once you've seen that the design makes more sense.

 Padre wrote:
[I think HBMC is right, it's closer to an update of the Space Crusade MK X Abomination than anything else...

Ooh, I had forgotten they had names, I just remember them having numbers. Though if this is supposed to be an updated SC dread, I think it's way off the mark aesthetically. They'd need to reverse-joint the legs, fare-over the marine-style head and hang the autocannon mounts on pylons for it just to have the same approximate shape.

Turaxa wrote:

 Padre wrote:
[I think HBMC is right, it's closer to an update of the Space Crusade MK X Abomination than anything else...

Ooh, I had forgotten they had names, I just remember them having numbers. Though if this is supposed to be an updated SC dread, I think it's way off the mark aesthetically. They'd need to reverse-joint the legs, fare-over the marine-style head and hang the autocannon mounts on pylons for it just to have the same approximate shape.

Well if the legs are as posseable as the Contemptor it shouldn't be hard to build it to look something like that.

 Padre wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:
I think the new Dreadnought looks really cool! Great throwback to the old RT Dreadnoughts. I don't get all the hate.

I, personally, can't see the throwback to the old "peanut" Deredeo, in its' figure or weapons loadout.

The FW Contemptor - yep, sure, could see the "roots" of that model in the peanuts. Not this one...

That being said, I like the Dreadmech on it's own merits as a model.

Edit - sorry, forgot to add - name aside, I think HBMC is right, it's closer to an update of the Space Crusade MK X Abomination than anything else...

I thought the FW Contemptor was a "new" version of the Epic SM Dreadnought from the Epic Stompers box, not the old RT Dreds.

The FW Contemptor (and others) have the names of the old RT Dreds, but they certainly don't look anything like them. They don't even look like modern remakes of the old RT dreds.

A solid 'meh', maybe even a 'yuck'. The autocannons are about 25% too long, and the legs are way too chunky for the size of the body. Standard Contemptor legs would be better. It resembles modern GW design aesthetics of 'bigger, badder, more guns!', rather than Forgeworld design.

Also, Contemptors are totally the dreads from the Epic stompers box. Which always made them even cooler in my eyes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Each to his own I guess. I think it looks awesome.

Agreed. Far better than endless Contemptor rehashes.

I like its boob armour.

Gentlemen, I believe the Deredeo can be salvaged. Forgive the awful photoshop; I just wanted to illustrate the theory.



I resized a picture of the MKIV FW dread. The resize is based on the size of the recessed helmet and its "crown". I've made the hopeful assumption that the Deredeo's head is the same size as the MKIV's.

If I'm correct in that assumption, a standard dreadnought body can be fitted to the Deredeo's legs. It looks to me like the arms can be glued onto a standard dread torso as well. Time will tell...

I actually like the torso on the new dread....... It's the legs I don't like. I WANTED the chicken walker legs.

=/

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:
Gentlemen, I believe the Deredeo can be salvaged. Forgive the awful photoshop; I just wanted to illustrate the theory.



I resized a picture of the MKIV FW dread. The resize is based on the size of the recessed helmet and its "crown". I've made the hopeful assumption that the Deredeo's head is the same size as the MKIV's.

If I'm correct in that assumption, a standard dreadnought body can be fitted to the Deredeo's legs. It looks to me like the arms can be glued onto a standard dread torso as well. Time will tell...

Now it looks like its walking on chunky stilts.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Each to his own I guess. I think it looks awesome.

Agreed. Far better than endless Contemptor rehashes.

It is truly the end times with these two agreeing on something

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:
Gentlemen, I believe the Deredeo can be salvaged. Forgive the awful photoshop; I just wanted to illustrate the theory.



I resized a picture of the MKIV FW dread. The resize is based on the size of the recessed helmet and its "crown". I've made the hopeful assumption that the Deredeo's head is the same size as the MKIV's.

If I'm correct in that assumption, a standard dreadnought body can be fitted to the Deredeo's legs. It looks to me like the arms can be glued onto a standard dread torso as well. Time will tell...

Now it looks like its walking on chunky stilts.

But I like it much more! The horrible part of this new Dread is the torso, even more than the big fat legs. The square torso eliminates some of the scaling issues. With the square torso it's something I would actually buy.

PhotoShop the standard contemptor torso if you would please

Personally, I like the look of it.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

 prplehippo wrote:
I thought the FW Contemptor was a "new" version of the Epic SM Dreadnought from the Epic Stompers box, not the old RT Dreds.

That's always the way I've seen it. And the Chaos Dreads from that box are basically tiny versions of the Space Crusader Dread.

I still have that Epic Stompers box somewhere.

Here's a Contemptor-Deredeo hybrid. This one was tougher to match up. I'm not sure the Contemptor torso will match up to the Deredeo weapons but then, I've never assembled a Contemptor before.

Nice work. Looks a little too egg-like for my liking. I liked the cross Deredo/Venerable Angry Washing Machine version though.

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:
Here's a Contemptor-Deredeo hybrid. This one was tougher to match up. I'm not sure the Contemptor torso will match up to the Deredeo weapons but then, I've never assembled a Contemptor before.

The contemptors come with their shoulder pads modelled onto the torsos but I guess you can saw them off to add those arms and make it look that way. In any case, it make it look like a weaponized yellow peanut M&M to me.

Which is cool as it calls back to the old M&M Terminator design...

...I'll take 3 of those please!

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:
Gentlemen, I believe the Deredeo can be salvaged. Forgive the awful photoshop; I just wanted to illustrate the theory.



I resized a picture of the MKIV FW dread. The resize is based on the size of the recessed helmet and its "crown". I've made the hopeful assumption that the Deredeo's head is the same size as the MKIV's.

If I'm correct in that assumption, a standard dreadnought body can be fitted to the Deredeo's legs. It looks to me like the arms can be glued onto a standard dread torso as well. Time will tell...

Very cool, Ruse...thank you!

BTW, Warboss, I LOL'd at the "weaponised yellow peanut M&M" comment....

 warboss wrote:

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:
Here's a Contemptor-Deredeo hybrid. This one was tougher to match up. I'm not sure the Contemptor torso will match up to the Deredeo weapons but then, I've never assembled a Contemptor before.

The contemptors come with their shoulder pads modelled onto the torsos but I guess you can saw them off to add those arms and make it look that way. In any case, it make it look like a weaponized yellow peanut M&M to me.

I'm pretty sure the Contemptor shoulders are seperate pieces that fit into a ball and socket joint.

Something else for fans of the Fists. Pollux or Dorn himself?

 LutherMax wrote:
Something else for fans of the Fists. Pollux or Dorn himself?

This picture was revealed from FWs christmas puzzle ... we all agreed its Pollux!

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:
Gentlemen, I believe the Deredeo can be salvaged. Forgive the awful photoshop; I just wanted to illustrate the theory.



I resized a picture of the MKIV FW dread. The resize is based on the size of the recessed helmet and its "crown". I've made the hopeful assumption that the Deredeo's head is the same size as the MKIV's.

If I'm correct in that assumption, a standard dreadnought body can be fitted to the Deredeo's legs. It looks to me like the arms can be glued onto a standard dread torso as well. Time will tell...

Wow, That makes it look allot better.

thanks for the contemptor version but yep the angry washing machine version is gonna happen for me, it just looks boss

By the way, what's this?

A Stormhammer, apparently.

A Stormhammer

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's an update of this:



... the old Chaos Dread from Space Crusade.

I don't see any connection between those two models, really, except maybe the chin guns. If there's an SC dread remake, I'm pretty sure this isn't it.

Same - they don't look anything alike to me.

I sort of like the old one, I think the new one is terrible. I'm predisposed to liking chicken leg mechs, they're on all my favorite battlemechs.

I like it a lot! I just hope it won't be another of the 30k only producs by FW!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A Stormhammer, apparently.

Hmm, I wonder when it'll be out...

It is one of the last Solar Auxilia models previewed in Conquest that hasn't been released yet.

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:

nicely done!
i still think that the missile pods are too big and heavy

here's mine..
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/675096-mk5%20dreadnought%20conversion.html?m=2
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/675095-mk5%20dreadnought%20conversion.html?m=2
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/675097-mk5%20dreadnought%20conversion.html?m=2

 aka_mythos wrote:

I'm pretty sure the Contemptor shoulders are seperate pieces that fit into a ball and socket joint.

You are correct. It's been a few years and I didn't remember the pieces correctly.


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 Padre wrote:


BTW, Warboss, I LOL'd at the "weaponised yellow peanut M&M" comment....

Thanks. I laughed a bit when I saw the posted photoshop pic as it was the first thing that came to mind.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Which is cool as it calls back to the old M&M Terminator design...

...I'll take 3 of those please!

Trading in the Alpha legion for Imperial Fists then?

Hell no!

I just want updated M&M Terminators!

 warboss wrote:

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:
Here's a Contemptor-Deredeo hybrid. This one was tougher to match up. I'm not sure the Contemptor torso will match up to the Deredeo weapons but then, I've never assembled a Contemptor before.

The contemptors come with their shoulder pads modelled onto the torsos but I guess you can saw them off to add those arms and make it look that way. In any case, it make it look like a weaponized yellow peanut M&M to me.

I can't unsee it
It totally does look like an armed M&M. I guess Yellow had enough of Red's gak.

 Cleverest Ruse wrote:
Here's a Contemptor-Deredeo hybrid. This one was tougher to match up. I'm not sure the Contemptor torso will match up to the Deredeo weapons but then, I've never assembled a Contemptor before.

It's been nagging at me what else this reminds me of... apart from the weaponised M&M!

It looks like a seriously upgunned UrbanMech!!!

What the hell is THAT:

New bulletin 43 sneak:



Word bearers, something. Love the bio-mechanical look. Very old skool chaos. See GW - you don't need skulls and spikes to make it menacing. THIS is how you do Chaos!

Full bulletin 43:

FORGE WORLD BULLETIN 43


Despite it only being the start of January, the Forge World Studio is starting to get into gear for February’s Horus Heresy Weekender. It seems like a long time away, but it takes a lot of work behind the scenes to put on such an awesome event. Taking a ramble through the Forge World Studio last week, I came across something pretty cool being worked on. I don’t know much about this twisted monstrosity yet, but I’m sure we’ll find out more soon, maybe in time for the Weekender…

Something ferocious spotted stalking through the Forge World Studio.

Over the years, the designers in the Forge World Studio have worked on a whole range of armies of their own. Mark Bedford’s Chaos Space Marines force uses plenty of Forge World units and upgrade kits. His World Eaters Terminators and World Eaters Space Marines are led by Zhufor, the Khornate Lord in Terminator armour. They’re supported by a hulking Decimator and a Contemptor Dreadnought that Mark converted using Etched Brass symbols, and he even replaced the fingers of its fist with the chainblades from a set of bolters! Mark has also added a unit of Renegade Ogryn Berserkers as part of a Renegades and Heretics allied detachment from Imperial Armour Volume Thirteen.




Mark’s Chaos force advances into battle.

That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Chris.

It's yet another contemptor by the looks of it, the legs look like dreadnought legs and the body has the same shape. Might even be a kind of Gal Vorbak contemptor?

Looks like a mutated contemptor chassis. I suppose we should be moving into the greater influence of chaos phase of the storyline.

Looks sexy though.

Sweet mother of Khorne, that is an amazing sculpt!

Now that's sweet. How about a Gal Vorbak Deredeo?

Just when I thought they couldn't do another contemptor.....

Admittedly, this is probably going to be an early kind of possessed/daemon vehicle which we'll see more of as the FW plotline advances, probably for the upcoming Calth book.

Death Guard Plague Contemptor no doubt.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Death Guard Plague Contemptor no doubt.

Nah it's a Word Bearers one, it has all the runes which their models have.

Yeah, I'm not so sure that's Death Guard. Doesn't look very "plague-y", more like it's just possessed with a bunch of daemonic runes on it.

I wonder what legion-specific kits they'll start making once they are definitely done with dreads.

 Kosake wrote:
I wonder what legion-specific kits they'll start making once they are definitely done with dreads.

They still haven't finished the tank doors and stuff, that's quite an easy way to make legion specific vehicles. Dunno what else there is really... Death Guard have their own Cataphractii shoulders, maybe more of them. I still think they should bring out shoulder pads and upgrade kits for the legions that haven't been featured yet.

Legion specific Cataphractii and Tartaros bits, vehicle parts, MkVI components, banners, commanders, etc. Heck, they might even finally bring out those Primarch helmets they once hinted at!

Of course it's word bearers, with all those markings and mutations and the seals on the fist.

You can even see a book on the shoulder being held open by little daemon arms.

Looks like they have finally made some form of chaos Contemptor Dreadnought and it looks awesome!

Looking at it again you might be right actually. Possessed Contemptor then.

It does basically look like an oversized Gal Vorbak, definitely Wotrd Bearers. That's before you remember that the Calth book is next up.

Am getting quite bored of Contemptors now, though, no matter how well executed they are.

Yay more contemptors! I was worried we wouldn't have enough

I do believe the newest Dreadnought seems awesome! Excellent throwback towards the aged RT Dreadnoughts. I do not get every one of the detest.

Hopefully we won't have to wait for all nine versions of the chaos contemptor to launch before we see the rest of the chaos engines they have planned. I also hope that they have some really different rules around it rather than the bog standard chaos versions of dreadnaughts.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Hopefully we won't have to wait for all nine versions of the chaos contemptor to launch before we see the rest of the chaos engines they have planned. I also hope that they have some really different rules around it rather than the bog standard chaos versions of dreadnaughts.

Forgeworld may give it some nice rules, if it was GW it would have a random chart where every option nerds the model more.

Roll a d6
1 model gains fear
2 model gains furious charge and slow and purposeful
3model must shoot at closet model within range, if no model is within range it punches itself
4 model is overcome by the deamon within it and changes into a chaos spawn, replace with suitable model, if none available, then remove from game (opponent gets victory points as if he destroyed it)
5 model changes base size, change base to 20mm square base, counts as infantry but cannot transported in any vehicle.
6 champion of the gods, model is swept up by the power of the chaos gods and is removed from play

 ImAGeek wrote:
You can even see a book on the shoulder being held open by little daemon arms.

The new Kindle 40k - Chaos edition comes with it's own demonic bookstand that is adaptable to any surfaces and can be installed in any dark temple, sinister altar or despoiled command bridge. It can also be used as a mobile adapter for any common STC cockpits and with it's warp power supply it has almost infinite runtime and will get free updates wherever a warp-rift can be found*

*rift size must support demonic incursion, in all areas not covered an aditional fe of 666 souls per hour is required for any demonic litanies, chaotic chants or sacrificial sermons.

 Kosake wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
You can even see a book on the shoulder being held open by little daemon arms.

The new Kindle 40k - Chaos edition comes with it's own demonic bookstand that is adaptable to any surfaces and can be installed in any dark temple, sinister altar or despoiled command bridge. It can also be used as a mobile adapter for any common STC cockpits and with it's warp power supply it has almost infinite runtime and will get free updates wherever a warp-rift can be found*

*rift size must support demonic incursion, in all areas not covered an aditional fe of 666 souls per hour is required for any demonic litanies, chaotic chants or sacrificial sermons.

Just had a funny thought, maybe the reason so many people fall to chaos is they just do really really good advertising campaigns.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
You can even see a book on the shoulder being held open by little daemon arms.

The new Kindle 40k - Chaos edition comes with it's own demonic bookstand that is adaptable to any surfaces and can be installed in any dark temple, sinister altar or despoiled command bridge. It can also be used as a mobile adapter for any common STC cockpits and with it's warp power supply it has almost infinite runtime and will get free updates wherever a warp-rift can be found*

*rift size must support demonic incursion, in all areas not covered an aditional fe of 666 souls per hour is required for any demonic litanies, chaotic chants or sacrificial sermons.

Just had a funny thought, maybe the reason so many people fall to chaos is they just do really really good advertising campaigns.

Well, the typical IoM citizen has two options: obey the rules of an opressive regime that can do whatever they want as long as they meet the levies imposed on them by an even crueler and more distant regime that does not even know in what segmentum your planet is. Live in toil and misery and/or die at the front lines of some campaign fought on a planet you don't even know in which segmentum it is, fighting against superhuman aliens and monsters.

OR: Do whatever you feel like doing, be it sorcery, copious amounts of fornication and drugs, fun times with toxins or just plain old manslaughter.
Doesn't need much of advertising, especially that last one with us humans...

 Kosake wrote:

Well, the typical IoM citizen has two options: obey the rules of an opressive regime that can do whatever they want as long as they meet the levies imposed on them by an even crueler and more distant regime that does not even know in what segmentum your planet is. Live in toil and misery and/or die at the front lines of some campaign fought on a planet you don't even know in which segmentum it is, fighting against superhuman aliens and monsters.

But they have the Emperor!

It could be that imperial armor book dread that ASPLODS into a daemon prince if you roll like a 6 IIRC.

 Desubot wrote:
It could be that imperial armor book dread that ASPLODS into a daemon prince if you roll like a 6 IIRC.

I guess but the runes almost definitely make it a Word Bearer dread.

Definitely says Word Bearers 'naught to me.

Just when I thought I couldn't hate the Word Bearers any more than I already do now...

 Alpharius wrote:
Just when I thought I couldn't hate the Word Bearers any more than I already do now...

Because they get cool looking stuff like gal vorbak? Don't worry, even the night lords can't compare to the fancy hats the alpha legion gets!

I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

Right even more motivation to do the first believers and do a small wb army to add to my dg.

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

I thought the Thousand Sons participated in the Battle of Terra?

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

I suspect that just like with the gal vorbak that the contemptor shown will be a special low (soul) price introductory offer act now! type of deal where they get more power as well as autonomy compared with later discount "possessed" in order to lure them over to the dark side.

I'd really like for all the basic Legion stuff to be out. The Gal Vorbak are great but I don't see why they'd have a Dreadnought version this early in the Heresy. Considering most of them die battling Custodes and then the rest die on Calth(?).

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

I thought the Thousand Sons participated in the Battle of Terra?

They did.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'd really like for all the basic Legion stuff to be out. The Gal Vorbak are great but I don't see why they'd have a Dreadnought version this early in the Heresy. Considering most of them die battling Custodes and then the rest die on Calth(?).

I don't think they all died on Calth, Argel Tal wasn't on Calth and from what I know he was the leader of the Gal Vorbak. Though I agree with what you're saying especially considering the Gal Vorbak had to ritualistic scar themselves to become one, how can a dreadnaught scar himself?

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

Where are you getting those numbers? the smallest legion was the raven guard pre istvaan and they were 80k plus.

 Formosa wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

Where are you getting those numbers? the smallest legion was the raven guard pre istvaan and they were 80k plus.

I think he's thinking of post rubric. After the Rubric of Ahriman the number of "living" Thousand Sons was said to reflect their name.

No doubt that that's a possessed Word Bearers Contemptor. The book on the shoulder and the runes all over the torso are a dead giveaway.

At least it's not just the basic Contemptor chassis with a new head/resin bits molded to the front like all the other Contemptors. It is more refreshing and new than the constant Contemptors we've been getting. I just hope they have more to show us at the HH Weekender than more Dreadnoughts.

I hope they've scrapped the Prospero book and are instead releasing Horus Heresy: Contemptors.

You could fuel a whole city on that nerd rage

 carabine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

Where are you getting those numbers? the smallest legion was the raven guard pre istvaan and they were 80k plus.

I think he's thinking of post rubric. After the Rubric of Ahriman the number of "living" Thousand Sons was said to reflect their name.

No I'm using the only quoted number for the thousand sons. After the battle of Prospero only 1200 marines survived and ahriman said that was just a tenth of the legion which puts the entire thousand sons at around 10k. They were already incredibly small due to being almost wiped out.

Sure they were at battle of terra but that doesn't mean they had any resources after Prospero.

 Kirasu wrote:

 carabine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

Where are you getting those numbers? the smallest legion was the raven guard pre istvaan and they were 80k plus.

I think he's thinking of post rubric. After the Rubric of Ahriman the number of "living" Thousand Sons was said to reflect their name.

No I'm using the only quoted number for the thousand sons. After the battle of Prospero only 1200 marines survived and ahriman said that was just a tenth of the legion which puts the entire thousand sons at around 10k. They were already incredibly small due to being almost wiped out.

Sure they were at battle of terra but that doesn't mean they had any resources after Prospero.

But WHERE is that quote from? I've never seen that listed anywhere.

 Kirasu wrote:

 carabine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

Where are you getting those numbers? the smallest legion was the raven guard pre istvaan and they were 80k plus.

I think he's thinking of post rubric. After the Rubric of Ahriman the number of "living" Thousand Sons was said to reflect their name.

No I'm using the only quoted number for the thousand sons. After the battle of Prospero only 1200 marines survived and ahriman said that was just a tenth of the legion which puts the entire thousand sons at around 10k. They were already incredibly small due to being almost wiped out.

Sure they were at battle of terra but that doesn't mean they had any resources after Prospero.

That'll probably change in the FW book, as they stated in Extermination that after the Battle of Gate 42, the Raven Guard are the smallest legion with 80,000 marines.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope they've scrapped the Prospero book and are instead releasing Horus Heresy: Contemptors.

Codex: Contemptor Kingdoms

Just a whole book of 'em.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope they've scrapped the Prospero book and are instead releasing Horus Heresy: Contemptors.

Codex: Contemptor Kingdoms

Just a whole book of 'em.

I'd buy it. Considering how well FW did on the Imperial Knight list, an all Contemptor army could be cool.

Contemptors were the 2 legion

Any guesses on the 11th legion

Is that a Horus Heresy: The Fall of Calth book behind him? If so color me excited for that book!

 primalexile wrote:
Is that a Horus Heresy: The Fall of Calth book behind him? If so color me excited for that book!

Fall of Orpheus. You'll notice the HH books nearby. They have different graphics on their spines to regular IA books.

 Theophony wrote:
Contemptors were the 2 legion

Any guesses on the 11th legion

Isn't it obvious?

The 11th Legion were...Contemptors!

All kidding aside, I can't believe FW is already into Possessed Contemptors!

OK, actually, I can.

They still gotta do the Chaosified versions of the 40K contemptors, i mean, a Contemptor dedicated to Slaanesh has it have boobs or at least one, doesn't it??

Just a single boob, replacing its head.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just a single boob, replacing its head.

Boob mounted guns?

Skaven stole that concept.

 Formosa wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I doubt the horus heresy is going to have more corrupted dreadnoughts.. certainly not for each legion. It's not like many were chaos-corrupted until they were in the warp for awhile.

even so, you'd only have 8.. The thousand sons didn't take place in the heresy after Prospero (and only had 1200 marines left with nothing else)

Where are you getting those numbers? the smallest legion was the raven guard pre istvaan and they were 80k plus.

The Thousand Sons were the smallest legion. According to the novel Thousand Sons, the Sons had about 10,000 legionaries. Ahriman remarks at the end of the novel that only ~1000 of them survived the battle on Prospero.

Until GW contradict it. Again.

If they do, I hope it's by upping the numbers of everything. I've always hated the fact that the Legions, which are supposed to be completely autonomous and capable of conquering entire systems, are barely a fraction the size of modern day militaries.

I mean, the largest legion is the Ultramarines, who clock in at 250,000 men, whereas the US military alone has 3 million. "40K sucks at scale" doesn't even begin to express the problem with those figures. lol

 BlaxicanX wrote:
If they do, I hope it's by upping the numbers of everything. I've always hated the fact that the Legions, which are supposed to be completely autonomous and capable of conquering entire systems, are barely a fraction the size of modern day militaries.

I mean, the largest legion is the Ultramarines, who clock in at 250,000 men, whereas the US military alone has 3 million. "40K sucks at scale" doesn't even begin to express the problem with those figures. lol

They're super soldiers wearing armour that turns them into walking tanks. They don't need millions of members to conquer entire systems.

You want a direct 40K equivalent to modern day militaries? Try the Imperial Army/Guard.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
If they do, I hope it's by upping the numbers of everything. I've always hated the fact that the Legions, which are supposed to be completely autonomous and capable of conquering entire systems, are barely a fraction the size of modern day militaries.

I mean, the largest legion is the Ultramarines, who clock in at 250,000 men, whereas the US military alone has 3 million. "40K sucks at scale" doesn't even begin to express the problem with those figures. lol

They're super soldiers wearing armour that turns them into walking tanks. They don't need millions of members to conquer entire systems.

You want a direct 40K equivalent to modern day militaries? Try the Imperial Army/Guard.

Indeed and lets not forget the pants on head numbers of navy support and orbital bombardments

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
If they do, I hope it's by upping the numbers of everything. I've always hated the fact that the Legions, which are supposed to be completely autonomous and capable of conquering entire systems, are barely a fraction the size of modern day militaries.

I mean, the largest legion is the Ultramarines, who clock in at 250,000 men, whereas the US military alone has 3 million. "40K sucks at scale" doesn't even begin to express the problem with those figures. lol

They're super soldiers wearing armour that turns them into walking tanks. They don't need millions of members to conquer entire systems.

How does them being super soldiers wearing power armor make them suddenly able to overcome armies that outnumber them a thousand to one and are often armed with weaponry and equipment that rival the Imperium's?

You'd have a valid point if the fluff didn't show that the legions routinely suffered massive casualties throughout their compliances during the Crusade, but it does. Thus it'd be to their advantage to do something as simple as... bolster their numbers. They certainly have the capability.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
You want a direct 40K equivalent to modern day militaries? Try the Imperial Army/Guard.

A) The Imperial Guard are not a direct equivalent to modern day militaries- the tactics they employ have been outdated for decades. B) The legions numbering in the millions instead of thousands wouldn't suddenly make them Guardsmen.

And for the record, yes I'm aware that 40K runs on rule-of-cool.

 BlaxicanX wrote:


And for the record, yes I'm aware that 40K runs on rule-of-cool.

So, why are you worried about it all then, and "have always hated the fact" etc?

Just put it down to "rule of cool", like Jedi intercepting laser-beams with laser-swords, and enjoy!

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How does them being super soldiers wearing power armor make them suddenly able to overcome armies that outnumber them a thousand to one and are often armed with weaponry and equipment that rival the Imperium's?

Not even that. How does being super soldiers wearing power armour suddenly make them capable of covering the vast expanse of the known galaxy?

There need to be lots of Marines during the Crusade/Heresy otherwise the Crusade/Heresy would not have functioned!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How does them being super soldiers wearing power armor make them suddenly able to overcome armies that outnumber them a thousand to one and are often armed with weaponry and equipment that rival the Imperium's?

Not even that. How does being super soldiers wearing power armour suddenly make them capable of covering the vast expanse of the known galaxy?

There need to be lots of Marines during the Crusade/Heresy otherwise the Crusade/Heresy would not have functioned!

IIRC, the Crusade was split into a number of task forces, who proceeded one system/planet at a time. Marines were the spearhead and they were supported by a large number of Imperial Army. The enemies they faced weren't always that strong or technologically quite up to the challenge, either. And so on

I'm thinking the one thing that could have given the Crusade a significant advantage would be the naval abilities. It's probably not too far fetched to think that most systems didn't have a standing navy that could answer to the Crusade Fleet. After gaining orbital superiority, they could use that well to their advantage to strike against strategic locations, and that was where the Marines were at their best.

 prowla wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How does them being super soldiers wearing power armor make them suddenly able to overcome armies that outnumber them a thousand to one and are often armed with weaponry and equipment that rival the Imperium's?

Not even that. How does being super soldiers wearing power armour suddenly make them capable of covering the vast expanse of the known galaxy?

There need to be lots of Marines during the Crusade/Heresy otherwise the Crusade/Heresy would not have functioned!

IIRC, the Crusade was split into a number of task forces, who proceeded one system/planet at a time. Marines were the spearhead and they were supported by a large number of Imperial Army. The enemies they faced weren't always that strong or technologically quite up to the challenge, either. And so on

I'm thinking the one thing that could have given the Crusade a significant advantage would be the naval abilities. It's probably not too far fetched to think that most systems didn't have a standing navy that could answer to the Crusade Fleet. After gaining orbital superiority, they could use that well to their advantage to strike against strategic locations, and that was where the Marines were at their best.

That's what I recall as well. How marines should have always been really, instead of the perceived idea that marines can solo anything without support.

Astartes and the Solar Auxiliaries spearhead assaults and take the brunt of the enemy attacks, the Imperial Army follows in to mop up and garrison a world brought into compliance.

Consider that modern militaries are a fraction of what they were in the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's and yet with fewer than the 3 million soldiers of the US standing military it can assert control over similarly sized areas as it did with a 12 million man standing force. Technology has allowed that.

Space Marines have better technology and the way they conduct wars reflects that. A component of the US military might is its ability to rapidly move soldiers and support in minutes within the ~400 mile range of its helicopter transports, resuppling and reinforcing soldiers as needed. The height of this capability is to put a missile anywhere in the world, but a missile is one and done. Space Marines and 40k technology allow that height of capability to be conveyed to every element of a Space Marine army.

When Space Marines attack they have the advantage of choosing where to attack while a planets defenders don't really have a luxury of choice. Nazis Germany could put walls and fortifications along Europe's coast but you couldn't do that type of defensive hardening to a whole planet with only the resources of that planet.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Consider that modern militaries are a fraction of what they were in the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's and yet with fewer than the 3 million soldiers of the US standing military it can assert control over similarly sized areas as it did with a 12 million man standing force. Technology has allowed that.

Space Marines have better technology and the way they conduct wars reflects that. A component of the US military might is its ability to rapidly move soldiers and support in minutes within the ~400 mile range of its helicopter transports, resuppling and reinforcing soldiers as needed. The height of this capability is to put a missile anywhere in the world, but a missile is one and done. Space Marines and 40k technology allow that height of capability to be conveyed to every element of a Space Marine army.

When Space Marines attack they have the advantage of choosing where to attack while a planets defenders don't really have a luxury of choice. Nazis Germany could put walls and fortifications along Europe's coast but you couldn't do that type of defensive hardening to a whole planet with only the resources of that planet.

Not to quibble but I think you're wrong about our military still being able to control similar sized areas. We can still defeat large enemy forces of a similar size to previous global conflicts but you can't occupy the same amount of territory with fewer troops. That was one of the key problems in the ME, we could defeat opposing forces but you can't occupy and pacify large nations without a whole lot of boots on the ground. In a similar fashion in 40K space marines can knock out hard targets and defeat numerically superior forces but there is no way that a few hundred or a few thousand marines could adequately garrison an entire planet and keep it in compliance. That requires millions of troops from the Imperial Army and hundreds of thousands if not millions of bureaucrats from the Administratum.

Prestor Jon wrote:
In a similar fashion in 40K space marines can knock out hard targets and defeat numerically superior forces but there is no way that a few hundred or a few thousand marines could adequately garrison an entire planet and keep it in compliance.

True. And that's why they don't do that.

That requires millions of troops from the Imperial Army and hundreds of thousands if not millions of bureaucrats from the Administratum.

Exactly. Luckily Imperium has those.

IMO the imperium's strategies aren't actually supposed to work.

They are supposed to ve confusing and mind bogglingly irrational because they're not tactics, it's dogma.

And dogma often times doesn't make all that much sense.

While this all somewhat fascinating speculation on Imperial Warfare, Logistics and Administration in the Baroque Far Distant Future, it is a bit off topic in terms of what we're really looking to discuss in here!

Maybe a separate thread, down in 40K General?

Sorry.

 Alpharius wrote:
While this all somewhat fascinating speculation on Imperial Warfare, Logistics and Administration in the Baroque Far Distant Future, it is a bit off topic in terms of what we're really looking to discuss in here!

Maybe a separate thread, down in 40K General?

Er...


...seriously.

I'm curious to see what's next for the Solar Auxilia.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm curious to see what's next for the Solar Auxilia.

I think i've glimpsed something about superheavy tanks in HH4, Shadowsword or something. So maybe a pre-heresy variation of the Baneblade? Or maybe a walker? I mean, seriously, when did Forgeworld make a walker unit last time? Or, to put it more bluntly, the Solar Auxillia Contemptor ahoy!

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
If they do, I hope it's by upping the numbers of everything. I've always hated the fact that the Legions, which are supposed to be completely autonomous and capable of conquering entire systems, are barely a fraction the size of modern day militaries.

I mean, the largest legion is the Ultramarines, who clock in at 250,000 men, whereas the US military alone has 3 million. "40K sucks at scale" doesn't even begin to express the problem with those figures. lol

They're super soldiers wearing armour that turns them into walking tanks. They don't need millions of members to conquer entire systems.

You want a direct 40K equivalent to modern day militaries? Try the Imperial Army/Guard.

The Battle of Kursk, the single largest battle in human history, involved over two million soldiers (something like 2.8 million). The Imperial Guard rarely deploys even a million men for a planetary campaign.

Where's my Corax damnit? Its long past time he was released. He's already been in the Dropsite massacre book, and at least 3 of the Horus Heresy novels.

I know there's been alot of hate on the sheer number of contemptor coming out but that Gal' Vorbak Contemptor is just beautiful, its making not starting a Crimson Slaughter allies list for my renegades very difficult. Comparing the Gal Vorbak and their contemptor to GW's hellbrutes and possessed just makes the FW ones look that much better.

 Kosake wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'm curious to see what's next for the Solar Auxilia.

I think i've glimpsed something about superheavy tanks in HH4, Shadowsword or something. So maybe a pre-heresy variation of the Baneblade? Or maybe a walker? I mean, seriously, when did Forgeworld make a walker unit last time? Or, to put it more bluntly, the Solar Auxillia Contemptor ahoy!

There was that sneak peak at the Stormhammer model within HH4, so we know that is on the way.

I wonder, though, if there actually will be anything else for the Solar Auxilia not already in HH4. Of course, we still have the Imperial Army itself, as well as some more possibilities for the Mechanicum. And there are still the Custodes and the Sisters of Silence, but I suspect those two will be designed more as allied lists rather than full armies. The Custodes may even just be an "Agents of the Imperium" unit.

I hope the Custodes get their flying rhino.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope the Custodes get their flying rhino.

Flying rhino?

Not familiar with that one...

 Padre wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope the Custodes get their flying rhino.

Flying rhino?

Not familiar with that one...

I've only seen it in the old 40k card game. I'm not sure if it appeared elsewhere. In any case, I'd expect for FW custodes figures to be made well before they get a rhino variant.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grav-Rhino

 Kosake wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'm curious to see what's next for the Solar Auxilia.

I think i've glimpsed something about superheavy tanks in HH4, Shadowsword or something. So maybe a pre-heresy variation of the Baneblade? Or maybe a walker? I mean, seriously, when did Forgeworld make a walker unit last time? Or, to put it more bluntly, the Solar Auxillia Contemptor ahoy!

Sadly, it is the long awaited FW Stormhammer, that doesn't look much like what a Stormhammer 'should' look like.

 Alpharius wrote:
Sadly, it is the long awaited FW Stormhammer, that doesn't look much like what a Stormhammer 'should' look like.

Ain't that the truth. A weird fixed "turret" with a smaller turret on top. The banks of guns on the side are a nice reimagining of the double sponsons, but it should have a two-tiered turret set up!

So when is the white scars contemptor coming out

6 months to a year after you see rules for the legion seems to be par for the course.

 warboss wrote:

 Padre wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope the Custodes get their flying rhino.

Flying rhino?

Not familiar with that one...

I've only seen it in the old 40k card game. I'm not sure if it appeared elsewhere. In any case, I'd expect for FW custodes figures to be made well before they get a rhino variant.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grav-Rhino

Thanks Warboss, I wasn't aware of that!

RE the comments about the Stormhammer, I thought that there were actually two equally legitimate variants of that tank - the twin-turrets, and the double battle-cannons / double demolisher cannon set up?

fidel wrote:
So when is the white scars contemptor coming out

If GW's consistent with their fluff (BWAHAHAHAHAHA...sorry, let me go on), then never. Apparently, they don't possess any dreads because the concept of confining a warrior's spirit to a sarcophagus is abhorrent to them.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/White_Scar

 Death By Monkeys wrote:

fidel wrote:
So when is the white scars contemptor coming out

If GW's consistent with their fluff (BWAHAHAHAHAHA...sorry, let me go on), then never. Apparently, they don't possess any dreads because the concept of confining a warrior's spirit to a sarcophagus is abhorrent to them.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/White_Scar

Which is funny, because in the WD that came along with the Stormtalon/Dakkajet/Night Scythe release, there was an Ork/White Scar battle report.

And you guessed it, the WS had a Dreadnought. They even had a bunch of fluff coming with the battle report.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
If they do, I hope it's by upping the numbers of everything. I've always hated the fact that the Legions, which are supposed to be completely autonomous and capable of conquering entire systems, are barely a fraction the size of modern day militaries.

I mean, the largest legion is the Ultramarines, who clock in at 250,000 men, whereas the US military alone has 3 million. "40K sucks at scale" doesn't even begin to express the problem with those figures. lol

They're super soldiers wearing armour that turns them into walking tanks. They don't need millions of members to conquer entire systems.

You want a direct 40K equivalent to modern day militaries? Try the Imperial Army/Guard.

The Battle of Kursk, the single largest battle in human history, involved over two million soldiers (something like 2.8 million). The Imperial Guard rarely deploys even a million men for a planetary campaign.

Hmm, I'd imagine this is also because 40k warfare at the end of the day is rather different from our historical warfare, despite appearances. Just check out Philip Sibberings' interpretation of the Imperial Guard!

 Ashiraya wrote:
Which is funny, because in the WD that came along with the Stormtalon/Dakkajet/Night Scythe release, there was an Ork/White Scar battle report.

And you guessed it, the WS had a Dreadnought. They even had a bunch of fluff coming with the battle report.

I can't say that I'm surprised. I think the folks at Lexicanum are more obsessive about fluff consistency than GW is. Or frankly, Lexicanum could be flat wrong, too.

Forge World so far have been pretty good at digging up old bits of fluff, so maybe the WS will have a rule that prevents them from taking Dreadnoughts. Would stop people whining about 'yet another Contemptor' just once too.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World so far have been pretty good at digging up old bits of fluff, so maybe the WS will have a rule that prevents them from taking Dreadnoughts. Would stop people whining about 'yet another Contemptor' just once too.

No offence meant, Geek, but surely you can see why people are just a little bit "over-Contemptored"?

As you note, FW are great at digging up old fluff and 40K historical references (Gyrinx and Death Ferret, next, please!)

Yes, okay, they're easy to customise to Legions / Chapters (take "template", add surface detail, voila, make money...)

But they've got 16-plus variants now, with more coming, so the huge focus on Contemptors has maybe gotten a bit much...

Now, where did I put that Ambull?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'm curious to see what's next for the Solar Auxilia.

I think i've glimpsed something about superheavy tanks in HH4, Shadowsword or something. So maybe a pre-heresy variation of the Baneblade? Or maybe a walker? I mean, seriously, when did Forgeworld make a walker unit last time? Or, to put it more bluntly, the Solar Auxillia Contemptor ahoy!

There was that sneak peak at the Stormhammer model within HH4, so we know that is on the way.

I wonder, though, if there actually will be anything else for the Solar Auxilia not already in HH4. Of course, we still have the Imperial Army itself, as well as some more possibilities for the Mechanicum. And there are still the Custodes and the Sisters of Silence, but I suspect those two will be designed more as allied lists rather than full armies. The Custodes may even just be an "Agents of the Imperium" unit.

I think a command set is due as well; the Lord Marshal and whatnot have options well beyond a normal Solar Auxilia; I just don't see a sergeant conversion really working for that. Something to represent the Command Squad with a model suitable for a Lord Marshal, if we're lucky, it might even have like an alternate weapon option; wouldn't that be crazy!

I'd love to see them do Charonites. A command squad would be great as well.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I think a command set is due as well; the Lord Marshal and whatnot have options well beyond a normal Solar Auxilia; I just don't see a sergeant conversion really working for that. Something to represent the Command Squad with a model suitable for a Lord Marshal, if we're lucky, it might even have like an alternate weapon option; wouldn't that be crazy!

Yeah, like that awesome model for Elysian Company Commander with all the options and cool bits that made him really stand out from the rest of the range....

Since when does the Elysian company commander come with extra options? All you get is a different head, a power fist, las pistol and an optional spotting scope.

 Padre wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Forge World so far have been pretty good at digging up old bits of fluff, so maybe the WS will have a rule that prevents them from taking Dreadnoughts. Would stop people whining about 'yet another Contemptor' just once too.

No offence meant, Geek, but surely you can see why people are just a little bit "over-Contemptored"?

As you note, FW are great at digging up old fluff and 40K historical references (Gyrinx and Death Ferret, next, please!)

Yes, okay, they're easy to customise to Legions / Chapters (take "template", add surface detail, voila, make money...)

But they've got 16-plus variants now, with more coming, so the huge focus on Contemptors has maybe gotten a bit much...

Now, where did I put that Ambull?

No, I agree, and I can see that. It's just, it's obvious they're doing one for each legion, here's no point complaining every time a new one is released.

I do hope they don't do a legion specific one for every legion with the new Deredo dread though.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I do hope they don't do a legion specific one for every legion with the new Deredo dread though.

We're all hoping that. We don't need 19+ Deredo variants on top of the Contemptors. It's too much.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I think a command set is due as well; the Lord Marshal and whatnot have options well beyond a normal Solar Auxilia; I just don't see a sergeant conversion really working for that. Something to represent the Command Squad with a model suitable for a Lord Marshal, if we're lucky, it might even have like an alternate weapon option; wouldn't that be crazy!

Yeah, like that awesome model for Elysian Company Commander with all the options and cool bits that made him really stand out from the rest of the range....

Yeah, I know, Forgeworld doesn't like giving out bits for any of their Guard ranges, but at the very least, something to represent a normal human in "Artificer Armour" would be nice, even if it isn't a customizable option, something akin to the Death Korps Commander which is profoundly unique, unlike the Elysian, who is posed in such a way that you have leeway in wargear; sheathed sword, holstered pistol, arrogant-as-all-hell pose, etc.

It's just that Elysians have been treated as Forgeworld's red-headed step child.

Well, aside from all of Warhamer Forge.

Collecting Elysians is even more a pain in the ass now because sergeants MUST have a laspistol and ccw, but all the squad sets come with lasguns. GG FW, GG.

I'll agree with you there, I've just finished making a D-99 Army and the sergeants killed me, the lack of variation the Elysian range comes with is also frustrating and make building an army quite challenging. The Elysian range really does need some filling out,
They look awesome though, I plan to use mine to represent a Solor Axuilia army.

 ImAGeek wrote:


No, I agree, and I can see that. It's just, it's obvious they're doing one for each legion, here's no point complaining every time a new one is released.

I do hope they don't do a legion specific one for every legion with the new Deredo dread though.

I don't think anyone's got a problem with them doing a Contemptor for each legion, just that it feels like they dominate the marine release schedule a little bit. If you go to the new stuff tab on the FW site the last 4 marine releases before the Fists stuff the other week are 3 Contemptors and a Primarch. The rest of it's Solar Auxilia or Mechanicum. Any marine players hoping for new generic stuff they can use are being routinely disappointed and people saying 'ugh more Contemptors' are probably just letting out some impatience.


(I do realise that marine players after generic kits are pretty well catered for, but that doesn't stop us wanting more dammit!)

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:


No, I agree, and I can see that. It's just, it's obvious they're doing one for each legion, here's no point complaining every time a new one is released.

I do hope they don't do a legion specific one for every legion with the new Deredo dread though.

I don't think anyone's got a problem with them doing a Contemptor for each legion, just that it feels like they dominate the marine release schedule a little bit. If you go to the new stuff tab on the FW site the last 4 marine releases before the Fists stuff the other week are 3 Contemptors and a Primarch. The rest of it's Solar Auxilia or Mechanicum. Any marine players hoping for new generic stuff they can use are being routinely disappointed and people saying 'ugh more Contemptors' are probably just letting out some impatience.


(I do realise that marine players after generic kits are pretty well catered for, but that doesn't stop us wanting more dammit!)

Yeah, fair enough. Look at it this way though, the sooner they're done, the sooner they can do other stuff?

 sockwithaticket wrote:
I do realise that marine players after generic kits are pretty well catered for, but that doesn't stop us wanting more dammit!)

I know what you mean. I am just interested in Marine models - no tanks, Dreadnoughts, Solar Auxilia or Mechanium stuff needed. But the IF stuff is pretty good, so I will not complain. Definitely looking forward to the HH Weekender in less than a month to see what is coming next.

 ImAGeek wrote:


Yeah, fair enough. Look at it this way though, the sooner they're done, the sooner they can do other stuff?

Pffft, don't you start using calm rationalisations, that's not how to play this game

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:


Yeah, fair enough. Look at it this way though, the sooner they're done, the sooner they can do other stuff?

Pffft, don't you start using calm rationalisations, that's not how to play this game

Haha my bad, I forgot this was the Internet

Plenty of new stuff ...

What's the weapon in the second robot squad?

 BrookM wrote:
What's the weapon in the second robot squad?

its called Irad Cleanser ... whatever that means

It shoots radiation and has a chance of lowering toughness, nice.

Hydras on those pads look much better than the designs from previously released ones.

Dammit Forgeworld are tempting me hard with the Mechanicum stuff. Thallax with a cool looking plasma weapon may just tip me over the edge.

'Bout time those hit. Shame that you have to get 2 regular dudes to get one special weapon.

One day I will take the plunge and do a full 30k army. When I eventually decide on a Legion.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
'Bout time those hit. Shame that you have to get 2 regular dudes to get one special weapon.

You can only take 1 special per 3 dudes so it kind of makes sense, unless you brought a ton of the normal guys when they first came out like I did. I had to do my own version of the guns as I'd brought 27 of the normal dudes.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
One day I will take the plunge and do a full 30k army. When I eventually decide on a Legion.

I'm with you there... but what legion to take?

1. DA - Green ultramarines. boring.
2. - ?
3. EC - purple's ugly
4. IW - maybe that one?
5. Scars - dunno. white doesn't strike me as exceptionally interesting.
6. SW - neither does grey
7. IF - yellow's difficult to paint
8. Lords - yeah, maybe those?
9. BA - red ultramarines
10. Hands - black's boring
11. -
12. Eaters - nice scheme, except I allready have two melee-oriented armies...
13. Ultras - ultrasmuuuurf, ultrasmuuuurf, does whatever the codex tells him
14. Death Guard - hrm... maybe?
15. 1k Sons - very maybe, but the pure red scheme doesn't seem very fancy either
16. SoH - look nice, for a change.
17. Bearers - are they grey or red in fluff, i don't really get it.
18. Salamanders - The only loyalists that are somewhat interesting
19. Raven guard - black is still boring, even with better jump packs
20. Alpha Legion - doing a 40k army of them allready. Nice fluff but somehow I miss some distinct units.

 Kosake wrote:


1. DA - Green ultramarines. boring.

Unless I'm missing a massive retcon here, they're supposed to be black.

 BrookM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:


1. DA - Green ultramarines. boring.

Unless I'm missing a massive retcon here, they're supposed to be black.

The ones from earth (pre primarch reunion) were black, then once the lion starts recruiting and dividing the legion green becomes a thing. Post hersey it's all green except the ravenwing and the first company are black. The first company switches to bone later when they die to a man after clearing a genestealer infected world. Then the party starts and they hook up the sound system to the landspeeders

 Theophony wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:


1. DA - Green ultramarines. boring.

Unless I'm missing a massive retcon here, they're supposed to be black.

The ones from earth (pre primarch reunion) were black, then once the lion starts recruiting and dividing the legion green becomes a thing. Post hersey it's all green except the ravenwing and the first company are black. The first company switches to bone later when they die to a man after clearing a genestealer infected world. Then the party starts and they hook up the sound system to the landspeeders

Thanks for the correction. So, in other terms:

1. DA - either green or black ultramarines. Boring (either because of ultra, or because of black).

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff

already ordered. or should i say 'Ordoed'?
Ordo Reductor FTW!


you might have more room for character with a word bearers army - nice pre-heresy colours and also different livery/honour marks for different periods.
i saw one army (might be the battlebunnies blog) where they had different vehicles from different era's of the chapter - you spend ages looking at them as each felt like it had a history to it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's an update of this:



... the old Chaos Dread from Space Crusade.

And this design has been recycled. Is this how the T'au antigrav vehicles got its design?? meow~

 Theophony wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:


1. DA - Green ultramarines. boring.

Unless I'm missing a massive retcon here, they're supposed to be black.

The ones from earth (pre primarch reunion) were black, then once the lion starts recruiting and dividing the legion green becomes a thing. Post hersey it's all green except the ravenwing and the first company are black. The first company switches to bone later when they die to a man after clearing a genestealer infected world. Then the party starts and they hook up the sound system to the landspeeders

What book does this info show up in?

Thanks!

The made up new characters that aren't in the hh bl series will models ever come out for them because they made bundles for the dreads characters, so is that a hint ?

Quite like those robos. Particularly the Daft Punk heads.

And... the price doesn't seem that outrageous. But then I've had a head cold and lots of painkillers for a week.

seeing conversion possibilities with the heads of those 'bots. Warlock Wraithguard anyone?

Kosake wrote:13. Ultras - ultrasmuuuurf, ultrasmuuuurf, does whatever the codex tells him

I think you're confused.

Ultramarines wrote the Codex. Nothing is better than making your own rules.

Everyone else gets told what to do by the Codex. The Ultramarines are just doing what they always did because they're better at it than everyone else.

It's very magnanimous of them; helping out the lesser Legions like that.

Also, at that stage the Codex Astartes is still a work in progress.

The Iron Warrior doors are amazing! If I could somehow re purpose for my Silver Skulls that would be awesome!

Just a little modding and they would be perfect.

I wonder when we'll be seeing themed doors for the Deimos pattern Rhino.

timd wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:


1. DA - Green ultramarines. boring.

Unless I'm missing a massive retcon here, they're supposed to be black.

The ones from earth (pre primarch reunion) were black, then once the lion starts recruiting and dividing the legion green becomes a thing. Post hersey it's all green except the ravenwing and the first company are black. The first company switches to bone later when they die to a man after clearing a genestealer infected world. Then the party starts and they hook up the sound system to the landspeeders

What book does this info show up in?

Thanks!

I read it in the black library books mostly and from the old rule books. I sold all my old Horus Hersey books when I got tired of the series, so I can't give you specific on it but when they talk about the legion first arriving to Caliban they have black armor and they hint at the newer recruits (the ones from Caliban) getting green armor and some of the older guys are a little mystified as to why the change, but it's put off as a reminder of how beautiful and green Caliban was before the mechanicus started to raze the forests and bring technology to the planet. I think it will be part of the reason half the legion goes darkside and keeps the black armor, and the loyalists are green (except the 1st company as a reminder of their roots, then as a remembrance of their sacrifice for the bone colored armor, and the ravenwing....cause black helps them sneak up during their scouting missions).

 SickSix wrote:
The Iron Warrior doors are amazing! If I could somehow re purpose for my Silver Skulls that would be awesome!

Just a little modding and they would be perfect.

I'm surprised someone liked them. I thought they were objectively awful, and poorly done - something you'd see out of a second-tier garage caster. I know a lot of people don't like when there is excess bling on their models, but I feel like when you're getting FW Rhino doors, you sort of expect a little more in terms of detail.

The old ones look dated, but they also have so much more detail and work into them:



This - especially the rhino front plate - just feels like someone spent 20 minutes with some plasticard and some rivets:

The Alpha legion one seems kinda boring.

Yeah, it does.

I still am not a fan at all of the Omega "hiding" behind the Alpha either.

Super-Dumb.

 Ouze wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
The Iron Warrior doors are amazing! If I could somehow re purpose for my Silver Skulls that would be awesome!

Just a little modding and they would be perfect.

I'm surprised someone liked them. I thought they were objectively awful, and poorly done - something you'd see out of a second-tier garage caster. I know a lot of people don't like when there is excess bling on their models, but I feel like when you're getting FW Rhino doors, you sort of expect a little more in terms of detail.

The old ones look dated, but they also have so much more detail and work into them:

Spoiler:

This - especially the rhino front plate - just feels like someone spent 20 minutes with some plasticard and some rivets:

Spoiler:

I look at it as being very minimalistic, just like the iron warriors themselves. It's crisp detail and I'm glad they didn't toss on hazard stripes or anything like that. I like the power hatchets too, not something I would have thought of myself.

To each their own.

 Theophony wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Kosake wrote:


1. DA - Green ultramarines. boring.

Unless I'm missing a massive retcon here, they're supposed to be black.

The ones from earth (pre primarch reunion) were black, then once the lion starts recruiting and dividing the legion green becomes a thing. Post hersey it's all green except the ravenwing and the first company are black. The first company switches to bone later when they die to a man after clearing a genestealer infected world. Then the party starts and they hook up the sound system to the landspeeders

They don't all die 5 lived at the end and reformed their tribes the captain held on to the Terminator armor till the Dark Angels returned to find out what happened to them.

 Theophony wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Unless I'm missing a massive retcon here, they're supposed to be black.

The ones from earth (pre primarch reunion) were black, then once the lion starts recruiting and dividing the legion green becomes a thing. Post hersey it's all green except the ravenwing and the first company are black. The first company switches to bone later when they die to a man after clearing a genestealer infected world. Then the party starts and they hook up the sound system to the landspeeders

Now having only read the 1st two books, I'm far from up to date with the retconning shitstorm of gak stories that is Black Libraries Horus Heresy series. But I thought the green armour thing came about from the the Cyper dataslate. During the schism, with the Dark Angels stationed back on Caliban who were still loyal to the Lion painting it green to differentiate themselves from Luthers fallen. Then after the Heresy the Legion got split and the whole Chapter went green. This was shoehorned in to explain the Cypher model having green amour since 3rd edition.

The A's on the AL side doors for the LR aren't symmetrical. I dunno if that'll annoy me now. And I really like the Iron Warriors ones.

 Snrub wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Unless I'm missing a massive retcon here, they're supposed to be black.

The ones from earth (pre primarch reunion) were black, then once the lion starts recruiting and dividing the legion green becomes a thing. Post hersey it's all green except the ravenwing and the first company are black. The first company switches to bone later when they die to a man after clearing a genestealer infected world. Then the party starts and they hook up the sound system to the landspeeders

Now having only read the 1st two books, I'm far from up to date with the retconning shitstorm of gak stories that is Black Libraries Horus Heresy series. But I thought the green armour thing came about from the the Cyper dataslate. During the schism, with the Dark Angels stationed back on Caliban who were still loyal to the Lion painting it green to differentiate themselves from Luthers fallen. Then after the Heresy the Legion got split and the whole Chapter went green. This was shoehorned in to explain the Cypher model having green amour since 3rd edition.

It's consistent if cypher considers himself loyal to caliban and the dark angels legion, not the chapter.

I don't consider filling in gaps as retconning, we didn't have all the information and now we are getting it, that's not a retconned, that's better information

Please take the always interesting Dark Angels armor color discussion/debate down to the 40K Background forum - thanks!

 Alpharius wrote:
Please take the always interesting Dark Angels armor color discussion/debate down to the 40K Background forum - thanks!

No! No! It's an Alpha Legion trap, he's trying to separate us from the others so they can pick us off and replace us. Fight the system my broth..........

In other news, got my squad of Auxilia Flamers yesterday and they were not the assembly horror show I feared them to be. Someone actually put some proper thought into making them easy to assemble without requiring to bend your own hoses and whatnot.

I'm getting less and less impressed with the quality of add on parts that are being churned out.

The Power Axes on those Iron Warrior doors are stupid and the cracking and chipping on the doors just look like an excuse for bad casting.

It's not a crap cast! It's battle damaged!

They're turning out Chapter House quality marine stuff.

It's not all bad, but there's at least one sculptor in there that needs to go...

A sculptor has to go because you don't like some rhino doors?

I happen to like the IW ones. More so than the AL one's and I'm an AL fanboy.

Are we voting off someone from Forgeworld Island (aka Great Britain)? Can I nominate the guy who sculpted Vulcan in an awkward judo chop pose?

 warboss wrote:
Are we voting off someone from Forgeworld Island (aka Great Britain)? Can I nominate the guy who sculpted Vulcan in an awkward judo chop pose?

Objection! Simon Eagan is the best sculptor from FW ...

 warboss wrote:
Are we voting off someone from Forgeworld Island (aka Great Britain)? Can I nominate the guy who sculpted Vulcan in an awkward judo chop pose?

Simon Egan? How about no.


Fairly disappointed with the Alpha Legion doors. I think the simplicity works for the Iron Warriors, but the AL stuff just looks unfinished. It's sad, because the details on the Contemptor were so great.

Simons a Damn good scuptor and an old friend so no from me too

Stormhammer!

Forge World Bulletin #44
Forge World has produced a huge number of tanks and armoured vehicles over the years, from the small, but perfectly formed, Cyclops Demolition Vehicle and Grot Tanks to the Super-heavy Shadowsword, Malcador and Praetor Armoured Assault Launcher. I got a glimpse of a new behemoth last week and it looks earth-shatteringly powerful! I’m reliably informed that we’ll be seeing it in all its glory at the Horus Heresy Weekender.



Something heavily armed and armoured will soon be rolling out of the Forge World Studio.

Speaking of armoured vehicles, Mark Bedford has started work on a new force that already contains a few. Mark is working on a joint Solar Auxilia and Questoris Knight army hailing from the Five Hundred Worlds of Ultramar. So far he’s completed a Solar Auxilia Dracosan Armoured Transport and a Questoris Knight Errant, and he’ll be adding more soon.





The beginning of Mark’s allied force.

That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.


Chris.

"Something heavily armed and armoured will soon be rolling out of the Forge World Studio."

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_44.html

edit.

NINJAAAAAAAAAA'D!


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Comparing it to what's been previewed in Conquest, it certainly looks different.

That's not a Stormhammer...

It is now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's not a Stormhammer...

Well, alright, but it's Forgeworld's interpretation of one. Here's that piccie from Conquest under the Stormhammer entry. You can see similarities, though there are some differences

Still a Stormlord- probably a different pattern though. What do we think? Legion or Solar Auxilia?

It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different. Could be a different gun I guess. The one in Conquest is probably an early mock up.

I'm guessing Solar Auxilia because the Legion super heavys have had the rounded turrets, this is very boxy.

It is only available to the Solar Auxilia as of right now.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different. Could be a different gun I guess. The one in Conquest is probably an early mock up.

I'm guessing Solar Auxilia because the Legion super heavys have had the rounded turrets, this is very boxy.

Can't be a Stormhammer- not enough guns on it.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different. Could be a different gun I guess. The one in Conquest is probably an early mock up.

I'm guessing Solar Auxilia because the Legion super heavys have had the rounded turrets, this is very boxy.

Can't be a Stormhammer- not enough guns on it.

Got the same amount as the Stormhammer picture in Conquest...

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different.

It only has one turret. That's why it's not a Stormhammer.

It is now though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different.

It only has one turret. That's why it's not a Stormhammer.

There's one turret on the top, and the two guns underneath, exactly like the Stormhammer in Conquest.

Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

People are upset because it looks nothing like the old Epic model.

That flap over the front guns looks really lazy. Not a fan of that at all.

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

All they had to do, kinda, was but two barrels on the top turret, and it would have been "OK"...

Oh well!

Its a stormhammer ...

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No, its not a stormhammer ...

And yet, now it is.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

I was talking specifically about the round thing in the middle of the plate on top.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different.

It only has one turret. That's why it's not a Stormhammer.

Rogue trader rhinos had two bolters and curved exhaust pipe tips. When they redesigned the plastic kit and included a single storm bolter and straight exhaust pipes, did it stop being a rhino? Just because you don't like the look of an updated model, it doesn't mean it becomes something else.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

I was talking specifically about the round thing in the middle of the plate on top.

Oh yeah that's just the swivel I think. The whole plate is a flap/hatch I think but I don't get the issue with it, it's probably just to get to the workings of the gun.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

The issue would be
a) that that giant flap has no covers from the side and is pretty massive, so any projectile that comes between it and the armor plates below the guns is bound to ricochet directly into their loading mechanism.
b) this design would be the whole reason why you would have to access the gun mechanism so frequently for full repairs in the first place
c) it loos really stupid and unnecessary

 ImAGeek wrote:


Oh yeah that's just the swivel I think. The whole plate is a flap/hatch I think but I don't get the issue with it, it's probably just to get to the workings of the gun.

It's a protective flap, under which the gun mount can slide against it to allow the gun to turn upward - although the round swivel indicates that the flap is joined with the gun turret and prevents it from sliding.. so basically it negates the mechanical design and shouldn't be there Of course the turret could pivot upward using the flap joint, but the hinges look way too weedy for that.

IS-3 has a similar small rear-hinged protective flap above the gun mantlet. It's pretty thin, so it's mostly against dirt etc. getting into the mantlet gaps.

To be fair, if you're close enough to that thing to take advantage of that design flaw, you're probably fethed anyway when the half dozen guns on that thing open up on you lol.

 Kosake wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

The issue would be
a) that that giant flap has no covers from the side and is pretty massive, so any projectile that comes between it and the armor plates below the guns is bound to ricochet directly into their loading mechanism.
b) this design would be the whole reason why you would have to access the gun mechanism so frequently for full repairs in the first place
c) it loos really stupid and unnecessary

I guess. It's as mechanically sound as every other Imperial vehicle though they probably just had a flat plate and thought 'let's put some hinges on it so it doesn't look bare'. I think it looks fine.

Again, FW is now calling this...thing a Stormhammer, but hopefully it is just a particular type/pattern of Stormhammer, and there are others in the works.

Once that look more like...a real Stormhammer:



And there then's my version too, the infamous "RSO" Pattern Stormhammer:



I'm not sure why FW chose to get rid of the iconic double double barreled turrets - but it was a Bad Move!

 Alpharius wrote:

I'm not sure why FW chose to get rid of the iconic double double barreled turrets - but it was a Bad Move!

Maybe it required far more resin conversion bits than FW wanted to do (or had time to do)? Anyway, for those still wanting to make the "classic" Stormhammer, look up Blood and Skulls Industry Ebay store for all the parts to convert a Baneblade kit into one.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
To be fair, if you're close enough to that thing to take advantage of that design flaw, you're probably fethed anyway when the half dozen guns on that thing open up on you lol.

Not at all. Especially shooting from range, any "conventional" projectile, say, a kinetic penetrator or, really, any other type of shell will have a higher tendency to bounce on impact. sloped armor supports that tendency in order to deflect incoming rounds rather than to rely on pure armor thickness. However, any protrusions, gaps and other irregularities create areas where the incoming projectile can not be deflected (or is deflected right into the crevice) and brings it's full remaining potential to bear. I think the T-34/85 were a prime example where the gap between the turret and the sloped, frontal armour acted as a funel for incoming fire.

I think, even by 40k standards, the classic Stormhammer design on a Baneblade looks ridiculous. They should give it a bigger chassis if they do a double main turret version.

 Alpharius wrote:
Again, FW is now calling this...thing a Stormhammer, but hopefully it is just a particular type/pattern of Stormhammer, and there are others in the works.

Once that look more like...a real Stormhammer

The FW one is no less "real" than their jump packs, rhinos, land raiders, or anything else that they've come up with that differs from the original concept drawings and older art or even the current models. In the end, it'll likely be a "forgeworld specific" variant like the ryza pattern or lucius somesuch. Even changing the actual function of the weapons isn't new either. The MKIIB land raiders have a much more restrictive fire arc than the current plastics and more than the original plastics. As stated above, conversion is likely the only option until if and when FW decides to make two patterns. Since they're on a decade long HH kick, I don't think we'll see multiple patterns though like in the old days. There just isn't room inbetween all the contemptors! In any case, I do prefer the older version but also like the new one as well. It looks like it would visually go quite well with a Macharius whereas the older version goes better with baneblades.


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 prowla wrote:


IS-3 has a similar small rear-hinged protective flap above the gun mantlet. It's pretty thin, so it's mostly against dirt etc. getting into the mantlet gaps.

Now that is a sexy looking tank (that I'm working towards in WOT) and is one of my favorite visually from WW2 (along with the pzIV). The smooth turret and pike nose just resonate as cold war futuristic for me.

I like the new Stormhammer, although I would have prefered for it to have a twin barrelled main turret. As for the bullet-trap flap, it would be good for protecting against artillery fire, and probably useful in city-fighting where the enemy often attacks from above in buildings, and the ranges are so close as to allow shots to be aimed at weak points easily anyway for shots coming from ground level. Seeing as this tank is coated with multilasers in addition to the big guns, it would appear to be designed for city-fighting.

All I hear is "waaah! waaah! waaah!", It's a stormhammer, the Stormblade don't have missile-racks anymore either. Don't hear you crying about that.