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Post by: Wyrmalla
The aquila was something reserved only as the highest honour in the Crusade or some such. Come the 40k days everyone's covered in a million of 'em. Just something I remember reading in a novel where a Horus Heresy era Dark Angel sees a regular marine with his bling and facepalms a little.
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Post by: BrookM
Only the Emperor's Children were allowed to wear the Aquila on their armour at the outset of the Crusade.
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Post by: Bronzefists42
It depends. Many Mk 2 armor marks have the aquila worked in somewhere.
The Emperor's Children earned the right to display it on their chests prominently.
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Post by: Formosa
Mk7 armour was used during the heresy so a few marines rocking it wouldn't be out of place, as far as I know this has never been retconned
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
Mk7 "aquila" pattern powerarmour was NOT in production during the Heresy. it was put into production after the Scouring.
The latest mark of power armour at the time if the Isstvan Drop Site Massacre was the Mk6 "Corvus" Pattern that had only been issued in limited numbers for field-testing with the XIXth Legion.
Ofc, the XXth Legion did field large numbers of their own "In House" production variant of the Mk6, in all accounts a superior piece of wargear compared to the Mars-produced pattern, but extant this one instance the Legions do not field any later marks of warplate during the heresy than the Mk4 "Maximus" plate.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
Lexicanum, Power Armour wrote:
While the final battle for Mars was underway, the Imperium realised the planet would eventually be lost. Armour development teams were transferred to Earth to continue, incorporating their latest work into the armour type that would become Mark 7. As Mars fell to Horus, the new armour began reaching the Space Marines on Terra and Luna.
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Post by: Bronzefists42
If Mark 7 armor was being produced on Mars than it can be assumed that the traitor Legions gained access to it when they captured the planet.
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Post by: Nicky J
also, first part of the jigsaw:
any ideas?
scenic base by the look of it - another primarch?
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Post by: zedmeister
Doubt it's a primarch. Probably a Character Series bod though. Looks like Cataphractii armour...
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
The SA Flamer Section look very cool, but isn't having ten Flamers in a squad a bit overkill?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Pfft. No such thing as overkill in 40K lol. Cleanse and burn the traitors!
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Post by: Nicky J
 zedmeister wrote:Doubt it's a primarch. Probably a Character Series bod though. Looks like Cataphractii armour...
Can't see the cataphracii myself, looks more like standard marine size shoulder pads to me...?
Werent there preview pics of argel tel shown off somewhere a while back...?
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
As an ork player, I can assure you that is not the case, at least not all in an open topped transport.
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Post by: Goatmoerser
 Nicky J wrote:Werent there preview pics of argel tel shown off somewhere a while back...?
No, that was (most likely) Sevatar:
But I don't think that's him?
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Post by: Nicky J
 Goatmoerser wrote: Nicky J wrote:Werent there preview pics of argel tel shown off somewhere a while back...?
No, that was (most likely) Sevatar:
But I don't think that's him?
Oh yeah, that was the guy I was thinking of, my bad.
But no, that doesn't look like it's him in the jigsaw. Hmm
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Post by: Kosake
There are some edgy somethings, to left corner. Maybe stylized scales. Maybe Alpharius..?
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Post by: Kanluwen
The hard edges and the eagle wing are making me think Custodes.
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Post by: e.earnshaw
is this from the fw news letter which I cant subscribe to because it wants to email it to my google+ account whose password I cant remember.
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Post by: BrookM
That squad of Veletaris.. Ohohohohoho.
Not even playing 30k, but I needs.
Only downside I'm seeing is the pain in the arse that those hoses are going to be when assembling them.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Could be lightning claws on the left there? Possibly wings?
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Post by: warboss
The upper left looks like mechanical wings and possibly an exhaust. Corax?
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Post by: Nyoom
I'm thinking corax, top left looks like a jump pack to me..
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Post by: Kirasu
I hope it's another Contemptor variant..but on a scenic base for a twist.
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Post by: Desubot
Not Dorn? Meh.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Looks like Forgeworld got smart this year and didn't just name the picture in a way where we could type in the next number and see the next pic.
Another Primarch would be nifty.
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Is that a lightning claw in the top left? Could it be... Corax? 
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Post by: Alpharius
Not saying it isn't Corax, but where the heck are you seeing a Lightning Claw?
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Post by: sierra 1247
I'm guessing it'll be one of the characters, but I don't think it's a Primarch sadly. And I'm doubting it's Argel Tal, no matter how much I want it.
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Post by: Marshal Loss
My bet is Alexis Pollux
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Post by: SpyderG6
I'm seeing what looks like the edge of a wing in the upper left hand corner (could be scales too as previously mentioned) . Im thinking Raven Guard or an aquila themed storm shield that would fit with the Pollux idea.
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Post by: Madocyw
My money's on Corax. The size of the base, the stylized wing... We'll see.
(Looks like I was wrong)
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
 Alpharius wrote:Not saying it isn't Corax, but where the heck are you seeing a Lightning Claw?
I told you, the top left, below the "shoulder pad", it looks like a little like blades.
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Post by: Alpharius
Maybe?
You could have a case of the Wishful Thinkings here too though! 
I'd love for it to be Corax too - he's my second third favorite Primarch...
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Alpharius wrote:Maybe?
You could have a case of the Wishful Thinkings here too though!
I'd love for it to be Corax too - he's my second third favorite Primarch...
Shush. I'm in my happy place, where Corax is next to be released. Don't ruin it.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm dying for Alpharius (though it looks as if Omegon is a ways away), Corax and Perturabo and his Iron Circle.
FW needs to get going on these things!
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Post by: BrookM
While they're at it, Solar Auxilia medics, command squads and lord marshals as well please! 
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
John Grammaticus? The Kabal?
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Post by: Knockagh
John grammaticus would be amazing! Doubt we would be that lucky! I'm with the masses on corax.
Looks like there has been a ceasefire on the emails, maybe just a Christmas truce??
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Post by: BrookM
But do John and the Kabal have rules already?
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Post by: Bronzefists42
I could see grammaticus being event only.
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Post by: Snrub
Unf....
I just ripped the front out of my pants.
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Post by: warboss
Really? To me he just looks like a bit goofy steampunk version of that old GI Joe firefighter action figure. To each his own, I guess... There are likely folks who think something similar about the Gal Vorbak and Curze figs that I like so much.
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
I like these flamer section models much more than the lasrifle ones. But then, I still haven't seen any of the lasrifle troops with a paint job that I felt really did them justice.
While I like the idea of a John Grammaticus model, I can't see it being particularly exciting. I agree you could do it for an event only, model, though.
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Post by: Looky Likey
I would be surprised if it was a model without rules when we have rules without models still. My money is on Sevatar.
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Post by: Kirasu
Knockagh wrote:John grammaticus would be amazing! Doubt we would be that lucky! I'm with the masses on corax.
Looks like there has been a ceasefire on the emails, maybe just a Christmas truce??
I think a John Grammaticus model is pretty pointless for 40k.. maybe if FW was a company like Reaper that simply made models that serve no real purpose. I mean what would he do? Run around off the board doing stuff while in reserve? He's not exactly a battle field character.. and 40k is about battles. However! They did make rules for a Navigator which also serves absolutely no purpose in 40k, the only time I've ever seen a Navigator take to the battle field is in the Damnation of Pythos book.. and that was only because there was no other option to survive.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Kirasu wrote:I think a John Grammaticus model is pretty pointless for 40k.
Yeah I mean isn't he just a regular dude who lives for a really long time? Special Rule - Long Lige: If Grammaticus survives until the end of the game, he carries on living. Gain 1VP.
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Post by: Apologist
I think a John Grammaticus model would be a fantastic addition, though I think he'd work best as an event model. Perhaps not that great for 40k, but Forge World do (or have done) lots of models that are more for painters than gamers.
The aforementioned navigator's an obvious one, but everything from the Tau air caste to Arbites cyberhounds have been done. Perfect for smaller scale skirmish.
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Post by: BrookM
I love the Navigator model, it's completely useless, but ideal for the Rogue Trader force I'm planning to build with the Solar Auxilia army list, because you know, fluff.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Of course if you play the 40K RPG's with minis, then things like the Navigator are amazing.
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Post by: Durfast
I think that he's high on my list of probables too. I'd be very surprised if it's a Primarch though.
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Post by: Apologist
What a load of Pollux.
(By which I mean it's beginning to look a lot like Alexis)
Gorgeous sculpt – I'll be picking this up!
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Post by: Desubot
Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy
Suddenly my imperial fist is excited.
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Post by: SpyderG6
 Apologist wrote:What a load of Pollux.
(By which I mean it's beginning to look a lot like Alexis)
Gorgeous sculpt – I'll be picking this up!
That looks like him for sure. Storm shield with what looks like a power fist. Fits his profile in the rules.
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Post by: Fireball
Wow ... that looks really cool. Now give me the IF upgrade kits and a new FW order is necessary at the beginning of the new year ...
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Alpharius wrote:I'm dying for Alpharius (though it looks as if Omegon is a ways away), Corax and Perturabo and his Iron Circle.
FW needs to get going on these things!
So much this! I really want to see the Iron Circle.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Excellent
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Post by: ImAGeek
Definitely Pollux. He looks cool, I really like the Templar cross thing on his gorget.
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Post by: Haighus
Agree that it's looking like Polux Brilliant! Loving the style of his armour too. Hopefully he does also come with a helmet option, seeing as he is meant to be a void war expert and comes equipped with void hardened armour.
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Post by: Koppo
Is it just me that thinks he's got chubby little cheeks?
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Post by: ImAGeek
He has defined cheekbones I think as opposed to chubby cheeks.
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Post by: Snrub
It's the angle of the shot. It's just high cheek bones.
Geek beat me too it by like an hour. 
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Post by: Alpharius
So much for all those people jumping at shadows, seeing Ravens everywhere!
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Corax sucks anyways.. 
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Damn it.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Alpharius wrote:So much for all those people jumping at shadows, seeing Ravens everywhere!
Just the way the Raven Guard like it 
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
My happy place is not so happy now...
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Post by: the shrouded lord
pffft... I burnt my happy place to the ground long ago.
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Post by: Desubot
Oh my.....
Definitely hoping for a yellow Christmas.
How long does these usually take to release after the reveal?
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Post by: SpyderG6
I can imagine him being surrounded by a squad of the phalanx breachers in Crimson fists colors now.
On a side note if he comes with a helmet this will be the best model they have done in the whole heresy imo
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Post by: scrunty
Its a lovely model, beautiful sculpt.
what im wondering is what/who's is the banner draped on the floor?
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Post by: Snrub
It looks to me like it's a slagged section of space ship hull or something.
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Post by: Fireball
Yes, but a banner is draped on the floor/steps as well. And behind his power fist there also is a boltgun or bolt pistol attached ... very nice
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Post by: BrookM
Attached to the power fist is his combi-melta.
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Post by: Olgerth Istaarn
Best one so far, I think. Heavy, armored, and all business. No silly crap like bare arms or stilted pose (I'm looking at you Vulkan and Ferris).
Also, rivets for the rivet god.
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Post by: the_Armyman
That's a beautiful sculpt with a real sense of weight. Everything just looks heavy: shoulders canted in the direction of the power fist and the shield held at low-ready. The detail on the armor is just right, too. I wonder if he's physically larger than a plastic marine?
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Post by: BrookM
He could be a smidge bigger than normal models, he is after all wearing void hardened power armour.
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Post by: Formosa
he in fluff is as big as some of the primarchs, guillman notes this when he meets him, (paraphrased) "Your a big chap!"
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Well, who is he exactly? Rogal Dorn? An Imperial Fist captain?
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Post by: Desubot
Its not Dorn but he will do  oh man oh man a FW order looks like its going to happen. though with that and skaven....fethmewallet. its alexis polux... he has a bromance with a iron warrior.....
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Post by: Theophony
 Desubot wrote:
its alexis polux... he has a bromance with a iron warrior.....
while exploring the inner workings of an alien portal
But it's all cool because Robute told them too 
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Post by: teban
Yeah. He's cool and all. But i want sigismund. Where is our champion of champions!?
I hope, since not every character will get a model, that polux wasnt made instead of him. Polux is not even close to sigismunds might
Im still ordering this sucker though.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Huh. Just noticed that! Nice! Thought it was a little silly to have a giant shield and power fist on their own lol. Automatically Appended Next Post: Imperial Fist Legion, 405th Company and 1st Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists post-Heresy.
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Post by: Desubot
 angelofvengeance wrote:
Huh. Just noticed that! Nice! Thought it was a little silly to have a giant shield and power fist on their own lol.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Imperial Fist Legion, 405th Company and 1st Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists post-Heresy.
With all the Shield Eternals and Thunderhammers going around, it think it would of been fine without the combi
but yeah this be my new beat em up CM and an awesome painting project.
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Post by: BrookM
It's a regular storm shield with a fancy name actually, back before it was a common thing I suppose. Funny enough he also has an Iron Halo.
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Post by: Haighus
 BrookM wrote:It's a regular storm shield with a fancy name actually, back before it was a common thing I suppose. Funny enough he also has an Iron Halo.
"Vigilus pattern storm shield" IIRC. To differentiate it from the Salamanders Dragonscale thingies I think. Usually only available to Imperial Fists in Terminator armour, but Polux is an exception.
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Post by: teban
Salamanders only give +1 to invul. U see them on 4++ cataphractii termis though.
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Post by: insaniak
The full pic:
That's a thing of beauty, right there.
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Post by: BrookM
Did you put me on ignore? 
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Post by: Blacksails
Insaniak's just farming for post exalts. Gotta step up from 5th place.
I'm a little late, but that flamer section is really nice. The Solar release has been quite excellent so far. Looking forward to more.
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Post by: Formosa
My crimson fists captain just got a replacement, captain coteaz step aside
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Post by: BrookM
That's sadly the last set of Solar Auxiliary models that was shown in the fourth book. I'm still holding out for the medics, command squad and Ogryn though.
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Post by: insaniak
There are a whole bunch of posts prior to mine that weren't showing in the thread when I posted. I checked three times that nobody had posted the full image yet, as it seemed a bit odd
SO... good job, that man.
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Post by: Blacksails
I can't imagine there not being some sort of command squad at some point in the future.
I'd also bet on some sort of heavy weapon/light artillery squad thing.
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Post by: BrookM
I'm also holding out for a model that represents a Legate Commander.
As for the artillery, they got some damn cool Rapier variants, can't wait for one with the laser destroyer array.
edit.
Also, Veletaris with power axes.. 
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Post by: Blacksails
Oh, a commander would be awesome. That and a big ole bitchin' standard bearer.
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
I can also get behind 10 angry dudes with axes.
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Post by: Azreal13
Better than being in front of them...
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Post by: BrookM
Take a Lord Marshal, make them elites and all of the sudden those guys with the power axes are WS5.
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Post by: Blacksails
Azreal13 wrote:Better than being in front of them...
Oh you!
Already gunning to replace HBMC at the top?
BrookM wrote:Take a Lord Marshal, make them elites and all of the sudden those guys with the power axes are WS5.
That sound delightful.
I loved power blob Guard in 5th. This would be the next best thing.
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Post by: BrookM
Sadly, these guys can't be taken in blobs. On the bright side though, 30K Guard is even cheaper than their 40K equivalent pointwise in some cases.
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Post by: Blacksails
BrookM wrote:Sadly, these guys can't be taken in blobs. On the bright side though, 30K Guard is even cheaper than their 40K equivalent pointwise in some cases.
I don't have the book yet (convincing Mrs. Sails to buy it for me for my birthday), but aren't they all in carapace?
I know the 20-man squads are pretty cool, but they lack any sort of special/heavy weapons, correct? Which I guess is made up for by 10-man squads consisting of nothing but specials.
Its pseudo blob I guess. Frankly, 20 guys backed by 10 guys with solid weapons all in carapace sounds like a solid core to any Guard-esque army.
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Post by: BrookM
The regular rifle squads are twenty guardsmen in carapace armour with lasguns, a free vox, standard and the option to super-charge those suckers for an extra 25 pts per squad. The best part though, 100 pts for a squad of 20. 
The two other options are the Veletaris (come with volkite chargers, though these can be exchanged for either rotor cannons or power axes) and the flamer section where every model comes with a flamer.
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Post by: Azreal13
 Blacksails wrote:Azreal13 wrote:Better than being in front of them...
Oh you!
Already gunning to replace HBMC at the top?
It was honour just to be nominated, yadda, yadda, yadda....
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Wow, I may need to do a solar force- there's not a miss in the whole set...
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Post by: Blacksails
BrookM wrote:The regular rifle squads are twenty guardsmen in carapace armour with lasguns, a free vox, standard and the option to super-charge those suckers for an extra 25 pts per squad. The best part though, 100 pts for a squad of 20.
The two other options are the Veletaris (come with volkite chargers, though these can be exchanged for either rotor cannons or power axes) and the flamer section where every model comes with a flamer.
Ah, cool.
Sounds like a great alternative way to play with my Guard models...or to buy a second army. Because who needs to eat anyways?
Well, I'll patiently wait to see how the army list gets filled and rounded out.
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Post by: BrookM
Well, on top of that almost all of these guys get +1 to WS when they are in base to base contact with at least one other model with the same rule when in melee plus they overwatch on BS2.
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Post by: BrookM
It’s been a while but, after the hectic pace of the Forge World office over Christmas, I’m finally able to bring you another bulletin to keep you up to date with what’s going on behind the Forge World Studio doors. I spied something pretty awesome the other day and managed to get a quick picture. Looks to me like a new class of Dreadnought. What do you think? Take a look...
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Post by: zedmeister
Intriguing. Not sure how I feel about the model yet.
What do we reckon it is? Lucifer? Deredo? Furibundus?
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Post by: torgoch
That looks... hideous so far...
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Post by: Baragash
I'm so glad FW finally got round to adding some Dreadnought variants to their range.
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Post by: Vain
Looks hideous?
Heck no, looks GLORIOUS!
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Post by: Scrub
Yet another Dreadnought variant from Forgeworld!? I thought this was the news and rumours section?
Looks nice enough, I'm dog tired of 'em by now I have to admit. (Someone's obviously buying 'em though!)
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Post by: angelofvengeance
That looks pretty awesome
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
So I guess we'll get this new Dread, a Venerable version of this new Dread, and then a version for every Legion plus a Chaos-i-fied version for all the Traitor Legion as well. I raise the motion to rebrand Forge World to "Dread World". Show of hands folks? In all seriousness though, this is the Space Crusade Dread, which was armed to the mother fething teeth! Interesting to see their take on it.
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Post by: Vermis
A bit overblown.
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Post by: Azeroth133
I am hoping for some reverse joint chicken walker style legs for it and a more wedge shaped sloping head.
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Post by: Snrub
Welp... Don't care what that is. Or how crap it is. I do care how expensive it is, but gawdam I want that model.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Looks like a female space marine dreadnought to me. Good to see forgeworld modelling the controversy and being typically understated when it comes to adding boobs to space marines
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Post by: Mr Morden
I like the look - looks a bit Mad Cat stylee
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Post by: Crimson
At least based on that picture, it looks kinda silly.
Weren't there rumours about a new, small, dreadnought type earlier? This doesn't look small. I was hoping for a tiny dread (possibly based on the RT dread) that could be used as a centurion.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Not a far of it so far, looks kinda stupid from the picture.
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Post by: Padre
I'm going to reserve judgement until I see the entire thing - at the moment, I'm getting a "Space Crusade Dread x Mad Cat mech" vibe from it.
I think the lower torso and legs will make or break the model - I must confess, I'm not really a huge fan of the current "hull"-style torso, but a good lower half might save the model for me.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
Looks cool and all, but I do sincerely hope they don't go do legion variants.
I'd like to see something more than dreadnoughts, and that's from someone who loves the Contemptor.
EDIT: Except for a Chaos version, the one thing they really needed to do they haven't. Sure, there's the legion-specific ones, but most of them don't fit the 40k Chaos look, aside from maybe the Sons of Horus one.
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Post by: Wilson
Looks like a frog
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Post by: Kirasu
I was just thinking FW didn't currently sell enough dreadnoughts.. Glad they're fixing this gap in their product line up.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
It's a Contemptor hull with the front part pulled out forward. Which is better than anything else they could have done with the old Crusade dred.
Here's hoping they don't go with the chicken legs, or at least made them double joint.
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Post by: Formosa
parts of that really remind me of the chaos deamon dread
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Post by: Knockagh
 His Master's Voice wrote:It's a Contemptor hull with the front part pulled out forward. Which is better than anything else they could have done with the old Crusade dred.
Here's hoping they don't go with the chicken legs, or at least made them double joint.
What we have seen so far I think looks pretty damn good. But the chicken legs were my first thought too...will be interesting to see them avoid it on a fairly top heavy model.
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Post by: jonolikespie
It's.... a boat with legs and guns?
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Post by: Olgerth Istaarn
Is it Santa Grimnar's boat, now with 25 percent more legs?
Seriously, I hope it's a bad angle or something, because right now that thing looks awful. Oh well, even FW misses a step once in a while.
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Post by: ArbitorIan
Apparently the reboot of the old Space Crusade dreads. I was chatting with one of the FW sculptors at WH Fest (possibly Will Hayes) and we were talking about the Vorax and their passing similarity to the SC dreads. He mentioned that the design might be getting an update soon - I guess this is what he was talking about...
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Post by: Yodhrin
Yeah, not a fan myself. Some old things are classics, some...aren't. Id rather have seen FW do that Jes Goodwin concept that looked like a mixture of the new Contemptor, the old RT dread, and the modern sarcophagus dread, much cooler.
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Post by: Marshal Loss
Don't like it at all but I've misjudged at first glance before, will wait to see the whole thing before crying 'it looks like a boat' too often
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Post by: Gitzbitah
Second. That's a Mad Cat.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Hard to judge based on what little we have, but that is certainly too big to be a cyclone missile launcher. Maybe a whirlwind? Or something new?
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Post by: Theophony
 Tannhauser42 wrote:Hard to judge based on what little we have, but that is certainly too big to be a cyclone missile launcher. Maybe a whirlwind? Or something new?
Looks like the hyperios missile defense battery, could be an anti-aircraft dread...on a boat
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Post by: Desubot
Eh big belly and crotch bolters? i think il pass.
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Post by: warboss
I realize we don't have a pic of the full model but I'm really not liking it from the view that we have. Also, I'll echo the sentiment that there really are alot of other things I'd prefer FW to come out with rather than yet another dread.
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Post by: kronk
 BrookM wrote:It’s been a while but, after the hectic pace of the Forge World office over Christmas, I’m finally able to bring you another bulletin to keep you up to date with what’s going on behind the Forge World Studio doors. I spied something pretty awesome the other day and managed to get a quick picture. Looks to me like a new class of Dreadnought. What do you think? Take a look...
Chesty Laroo, with her missile launchers too...
Waiting to see the full thing, so I'll reserve *SOME* judgement, but I'm already judging it a little bit.
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Post by: Desubot
 kronk wrote: BrookM wrote:It’s been a while but, after the hectic pace of the Forge World office over Christmas, I’m finally able to bring you another bulletin to keep you up to date with what’s going on behind the Forge World Studio doors. I spied something pretty awesome the other day and managed to get a quick picture. Looks to me like a new class of Dreadnought. What do you think? Take a look...
Chesty Laroo, with her missile launchers too...
Waiting to see the full thing, so I'll reserve *SOME* judgement, but I'm already judging it a little bit.
What lady has such BIG ammo...drums......
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Certainly an improvement on the SC dreadnought imo
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
... Are those.. a pair of twin-linked heracles pattern Accelerator Autocannons... to complement the missile battery and underslung heavy bolters?
Yikes that thing will be packing some serious firepower...
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Post by: Fireball
Absolutely not interested and agree with some that FW should invest their energies into other projects ...
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Post by: Looky Likey
Looks like the missiles in the launcher are swappable, so we could see anti air, anti tank and anti personal options if we are lucky.
They sell a lot of dreadnoughts, no brainer release, they will help pay for the low volume stuff.
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Post by: Madocyw
While I'm not entirely convinced that they needed to redo the SC dreadnought, it doesn't look any less stupid or mechanically unlikely as any of the other box with stumpy legs dreadnoughts. Reserving judgement. Looks like it'll be a firepower monster, though - given what I can see in the pic, it'll be shootier than a Predator. I'm also going to guess that it'll be similar in ruleset to the Mortis variants.
What'll be neat to see is if it will come with other weapon variants, and if it will be restricted to certain Legions.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Interesting.I can't decide how I feel about it yet. Certainly not love at first sight as the contemptor was but I need to see the legs to make a good judgment.
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Post by: Vash108
If I can user it for Chaos I probably will
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Pretty meh to me. I really like the contemptor (though not as much as FW, obviously), but this one looks a little too mech/titan-y for my tastes.
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Post by: Lockark
I think this guy is going to grow on people. I'm likeing it.
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Post by: Darth Bob
Looks like an updated version of the classic Space Crusade Dreadnoughts. Can't say I was ever a huge fan of that model, but I'm digging the look so far. I'm reserving judgement until I see a full pic.
Although, I kind of wish we got a new model that wasn't a Dreadnought.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Yo dawg we heard you like dakka so we put a Whirlwind on your Hydra and your Hydra on a Gyrocopter and the Gyrocopter on a Contemptor because every new release needs to completely outgun anything that came before it.
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Post by: Carlson793
 H.B.M.C. wrote:So I guess we'll get this new Dread, a Venerable version of this new Dread, and then a version for every Legion plus a Chaos-i-fied version for all the Traitor Legion as well.
Would be nice if they did a base model and then sold upgrade kits for various factions/chapters/legions. Add the bits you want, leave off the rest (or split 'em up between models).
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Post by: Vash108
 Darth Bob wrote:Although, I kind of wish we got a new model that wasn't a Dreadnought.
Maybe some sort of MC Dreaknight-esq thing?
What would you want to see not related to Marines or the Militarium?
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Post by: SirDonlad
well, everybody else seems to want to reserve judgement - but i don't, it looks absolutely terrible. epic fail. I'm already a bit 'meh' about dreadnoughts in 40k/30k because they don't look like they would actually work and this 'new' dread is no different.
Steeeeerike one!
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Post by: Lord Blackscale
BrookM wrote:It’s been a while but, after the hectic pace of the Forge World office over Christmas, I’m finally able to bring you another bulletin to keep you up to date with what’s going on behind the Forge World Studio doors. I spied something pretty awesome the other day and managed to get a quick picture. Looks to me like a new class of Dreadnought. What do you think? Take a look...
Hoy Crap! Is that ED-209?
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Post by: Crimson
 Crimson wrote:
Weren't there rumours about a new, small, dreadnought type earlier?
Quoting myself here. Was there actually such a rumour, or was I imagining it? I am certain that there were rumours of new dread type before this pic appeared, and somehow I have the impression that the small size was mentioned, but maybe I was confused...
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Post by: Alpharius
I think there was a rumor about a LARGER dreadnought, not a smaller one.
Maybe this one is it?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Can't really get much smaller than the standard Dreadnought. "Angry Washing Machine" is about as small as it gets.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Alpharius wrote:I think there was a rumor about a LARGER dreadnought, not a smaller one.
Maybe this one is it?
Probably. Look at that thing. Plus the legs probably give it some extra height if it's the chicken walker style.
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Post by: Turaxa
While I always wanted a redevelopment of the Space Crusade dreadnoughts, until I see more I'm hoping this isn't it, since from this picture it really isn't how I would have (re)imagined it.
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Post by: prowla
I think it looks more like a Mechanicum walker than a Marine dread. Maybe you can do a head swap for the glory of the machine god
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Post by: aka_mythos
I'm sure I'm not the first, but I'm betting the backward bent legs are meant to be be considered goat like and hence this is the previously mentioned "Lucifer" pattern dreadnought.
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Post by: SirDonlad
a while back i went a bit mad with mk5 dreadnoughts and ended up with something looking similarly armed but also could work. i'll get a photo of them and bang it up here to shame the guy that did the sculpt.
i represent loyalist Ordo Reductor and i call techno-heresy on this thing!
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Post by: Crazyterran
I'll wait to see how much I like it for when I see the rules.
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Post by: SickSix
RE: New Dread
That thing is hideous! I think FW has been watching the Dakka thread about anime mecha models for use in 40k and decided they needed something to fit in.
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Post by: fox-light713
BrookM wrote:It’s been a while but, after the hectic pace of the Forge World office over Christmas, I’m finally able to bring you another bulletin to keep you up to date with what’s going on behind the Forge World Studio doors. I spied something pretty awesome the other day and managed to get a quick picture. Looks to me like a new class of Dreadnought. What do you think? Take a look...
I might get one of those just to paint it up like a Mad Cat from Mechwarrior if it has reverse style legs.
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Post by: Padre
 aka_mythos wrote:I'm sure I'm not the first, but I'm betting the backward bent legs are meant to be be considered goat like and hence this is the previously mentioned "Lucifer" pattern dreadnought.
Hmmm, the "Lucifer" has been mentioned a few times recently in fluff, along with plaudits such as "the much-dreaded Lucifer", etc etc.
You might be onto something there.
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Post by: NTRabbit
H.B.M.C. wrote:Can't really get much smaller than the standard Dreadnought. "Angry Washing Machine" is about as small as it gets.
Smaller than an angry washing machine and it would be the same size as the already well represented in HH Terminator armour, ie Tactical Dreadnought
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Post by: plastictrees
Or the much loved Centurion.
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Post by: Soo'Vah'Cha
I like it... put a little canopy over the silly marine head and it would look pretty cool..a fire support dread.
fluff be damned I may pick up a couple for my Marines Malevolent.
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Post by: Snrub
 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:I like it... put a little canopy over the silly marine head and it would look pretty cool..a fire support dread.
I had that exact same thought.
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Post by: BrianDavion
Piloted by Venerable Brother Vald?
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Very much not a fan, although the missiles launcher looks magnificent and if it's available separately I would buy it in a heartbeat for use on a Whirlwind.
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Post by: Dryaktylus
 sockwithaticket wrote:Very much not a fan, although the missiles launcher looks magnificent and if it's available separately I would buy it in a heartbeat for use on a Whirlwind.
It kinda looks like they used the metal parts of the old Whirlwind and put them on the lower part of the Space Crusade dreadnought.
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Post by: Theophony
Maybe it changes into a vehicle to disguise itself from enemy units until it changes back into marine mode to stomp on them. Truly there's more than meets the eye with this dreadnought. It's a brand new concept that Kirby was inspired to bring into the warhammer universe while dreaming.
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Post by: Vermis
What happens if it needs to look down?
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Post by: Turaxa
 Snrub wrote: Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:I like it... put a little canopy over the silly marine head and it would look pretty cool..a fire support dread.
I had that exact same thought.
As did I, a canopy over the marine helmet with some kind of cylon visor thing at the leading edge would go some way to restoring the aesthetic of the MkX dread, if that is indeed what this is supposed to be.
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Post by: Desubot
oooo thats quite cool.
Its that con exclusive model
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Post by: Voodoo_Chile
Nice, I'm still waiting for them to put together rules for the Davinite Lodge Priest model I picked up.
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Post by: reds8n
.. and this is why you shouldn't drink at conventions.
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Post by: Voodoo_Chile
 reds8n wrote:
.. and this is why you shouldn't drink at conventions.
Ha now you tell me. Honestly though with a Sons of Horus Legion I could hardly pass on it, though at this stage I might just have to steal some cues from IA13's Arch-Demagogue and brow beat my opponents into a house rule
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Post by: Tannhauser42
The rules for the Navigator came out some time ago. Still haven't tried him out in a game yet, though.
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Post by: BrookM
reds8n wrote:http://www.forgeworld.co. uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/N/Navigator.pdf
.... I don't recall these existing before ...?
Event exclusive model, lovely model for sure, mate of mine picked one up for me. He's not all that powerful, but a fun model to have nonetheless.
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Post by: timd
reds8n wrote:
.. and this is why you shouldn't drink at conventions.
LOL! Great Davinite Lodge Priest artwork in the Horus Hersey books and they produce that amazing bad model. ARRGGGG!
T
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Post by: midget_overlord
june 9th for the navigator rules, I had just bought one, the rules where only first available in the weekender pamphlet they handed out there, I think he might have had a piece of fiction too.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_20.html
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
BrookM wrote:It’s been a while but, after the hectic pace of the Forge World office over Christmas, I’m finally able to bring you another bulletin to keep you up to date with what’s going on behind the Forge World Studio doors. I spied something pretty awesome the other day and managed to get a quick picture. Looks to me like a new class of Dreadnought. What do you think? Take a look...
Bandai is not pleased!
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
I would be much happier if it looked more like Sazabi!
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Post by: Zuul
Honestly, I think a lot of the torsos coming out of the design studio remind me of the Hygogg. It's the way it peaks at the midpoint with a crisp line.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Because it has a slightly pointy chest that isn't even the same shape? 
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Post by: Ugly Green Trog
I don't like it at all, I get that it is based on SC source material but some of those designs were awful. It doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the space marines either, this one looks like a contemptor raped an eldar war walker!
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
 Ugly Green Trog wrote:I don't like it at all, I get that it is based on SC source material but some of those designs were awful. It doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the space marines either, this one looks like a contemptor raped an eldar war walker!
So it's an Emperor's Children dreadnought?
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Post by: Ugly Green Trog
 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Ugly Green Trog wrote:I don't like it at all, I get that it is based on SC source material but some of those designs were awful. It doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the space marines either, this one looks like a contemptor raped an eldar war walker!
So it's an Emperor's Children dreadnought?
Well those sick perverts are probably involved somewhere!
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Post by: bubber
I think that this must be the new 'Ridiculum' pattern armour.
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Post by: RedSarge
So this sucka might have two twin-linked Sicaran hyper autocannons, a hyperios launcher for AA AND a twin-linked heavy bolter in the torso mount?
This Dreadnought will out do the others, but that appears to be the name of the game in the Horus Heresy line.
*does anyone else agree with me here in that when you think you have a lot of Forgeworld stuff, you just realize you can;t possible run along side this behemoth?
If only was a millionaire...
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Post by: Tannhauser42
I highly doubt that, whatever guns this new dread has, that they are the same as the Sicaran's.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
A pair of big autocannons will do. Honestly, it looks like a dedicated AA Dread.
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Post by: Darth Bob
Ooooh, I had not seen that Astropath before. I absolutely must have that model. Unfortunate he's so expensive on eBay.
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Post by: Kosake
Oh well... someone give me a head's up when they make an Alpha Legion version of the MadCat there...
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Darth Bob wrote:Ooooh, I had not seen that Astropath before. I absolutely must have that model. Unfortunate he's so expensive on eBay.
Personally, I prefer this model:
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Post by: ephrael
 Tannhauser42 wrote: Darth Bob wrote:Ooooh, I had not seen that Astropath before. I absolutely must have that model. Unfortunate he's so expensive on eBay.
Personally, I prefer this model:
I've never seen that model before Tannhauser, but I prefer it as well. Could you tell me who makes that mini so that I can get one?
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Post by: Midnightdeathblade
Those Black-Fist-Tars look amazing
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Post by: ImAGeek
I love the Templar Brethren. I do think the Warder set they should have just made a full set, as it is now you need the legs, backpack and one arm from another set, leaving you with half a marine left over...
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Post by: Fireball
These Templar Brethren are just awesome ... WOW
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Hmm I'm a little disappointed by those Templar Brethren helmets, they look more plastic Grey Knights than Sevrin Loth's Honour Guard.
Of the two sets I probably prefer the Phalanx Warders, but then I love MK IV.
If these types of upgrade kits are the future should we start applying a little pressure to Forgeworld to start selling things like legs as a bits pack?
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Post by: zedmeister
Excellent stuff, though a bit of a cheek to sell them as upgrades when all you need are legs, arms and backpacks!
Also, don't forget the shoulder pads
10 pads for £9:50p
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Post by: MajorStoffer
So you need legs, backpacks and a single arm, as the one for the shield is included?
Yeah, no.
I do like Forgeworld, but an upgrade kit which requires only a tiny part of another marine, which aren't sold individually, is just not something I'm going to get. Like, ever. What am I supposed to do, spend near of $100 for 5 marines, and have 3/4 of a marine leftover, just missing his legs, backpack and one arm?
And I wanted to do an IF 30k army with these guys, oh well.
What'll be really funny is when certain less scrupulous businesses in the Far East decide to sell it as a whole kit; certainly wouldn't be the first time they consolidate/streamline otherwise questionable product releases.
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Post by: beast_gts
Most 30k players near me are already using third-party legs to add variety (running, kneeling & bionic) - there are plenty of really good ones out there.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Those would be the Kromlech ones presumably?
(got to give them a plug, great company).
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Post by: Tannhauser42
ephrael wrote: Tannhauser42 wrote: Darth Bob wrote:Ooooh, I had not seen that Astropath before. I absolutely must have that model. Unfortunate he's so expensive on eBay.
Personally, I prefer this model:
I've never seen that model before Tannhauser, but I prefer it as well. Could you tell me who makes that mini so that I can get one?
Www.trolls.cz makes that one and a few other nifty models.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Very nice, although I continue to be pretty underwhelmed by most of the bare heads FW have been putting out with Marine releases. First they had improbably narrow skulls, now they have fairly derpy features and vary pretty significantly in size from one kit to the next.
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Post by: Padre
Yep, very nice, now let's get some more photos of the upcoming Mad Cat Dreadnought!!!
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Post by: Vash108
 Yodhrin wrote:Very nice, although I continue to be pretty underwhelmed by most of the bare heads FW have been putting out with Marine releases. First they had improbably narrow skulls, now they have fairly derpy features and vary pretty significantly in size from one kit to the next.
I am not a fan either but I always try to use helmets instead of bare heads anyways. I don't know why but I just do not like the idea of going into battle without a helmet on.
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Post by: beast_gts
 Padre wrote:Yep, very nice, now let's get some more photos of the upcoming Mad Cat Dreadnought!!!
It is a Timber Wolf, you Inner Sphere scum. :-)
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Post by: BrookM
Just now picked up my Dracosan and I'm amazed with the quality, looks like we're back at paying for good quality kits again.
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Post by: bubber
 MajorStoffer wrote:So you need legs, backpacks and a single arm, as the one for the shield is included?
Yeah, no.
I do like Forgeworld, but an upgrade kit which requires only a tiny part of another marine, which aren't sold individually, is just not something I'm going to get. Like, ever. What am I supposed to do, spend near of $100 for 5 marines, and have 3/4 of a marine leftover, just missing his legs, backpack and one arm?
And I wanted to do an IF 30k army with these guys, oh well.
What'll be really funny is when certain less scrupulous businesses in the Far East decide to sell it as a whole kit; certainly wouldn't be the first time they consolidate/streamline otherwise questionable product releases.
I bought a bunch of Death Guard from a Dakkarite & some of the models were part FW resin & part GW 40K plastic - I haven't got a problem with this, in fact they look pretty cool.
But then again I'm mixing up the armour to show how DG use what they have at the time. I will also be using some 'Chaos' backpacks as shown in the 1st or 2nd HH book + some Sons of Horus, World Eaters & Emperer's Children shoulder pads to simulate scavenged parts from the Istvaan 3 battle. I know it won't be 100% kosher but I like the idea. I will also do some with dark red right arms & pads to show them marking themselves as going back to being Dusk Raiders.
( BTW if anyone in the UK has some SoH, WE &/or EC pads or decals they want to sell, please PM me! Ta)
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Post by: Kosake
BrookM wrote:Just now picked up my Dracosan and I'm amazed with the quality, looks like we're back at paying for good quality kits again.
Or the moulds are still fresh and crisp and deliver good products. Everything is subject to entropy, you know?
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Post by: 1hadhq
A squad of Emperors Champions.
Some pre BT - BT , thanks FW. 
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Post by: Darth Bob
Tannhauser42 wrote: Darth Bob wrote:Ooooh, I had not seen that Astropath before. I absolutely must have that model. Unfortunate he's so expensive on eBay.
Personally, I prefer this model:
That one is cool, though I do prefer the FW model. Who makes this one? I know I've seen it before but I can't remember the company that makes it.
Damn, those are gorgeous. I really like the helmet design on the Phalanx Warders, too. Might have to see if I can find the head bits on eBay when they start popping up.
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Post by: beast_gts
Darth Bob wrote:Who makes this one? I know I've seen it before but I can't remember the company that makes it.
www.trolls.cz
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Post by: Madocyw
So, based on the helmet design of the Phalanx Warder MkIVs, are they the IF equivalent of Destroyers?
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Post by: Padre
beast_gts wrote: Padre wrote:Yep, very nice, now let's get some more photos of the upcoming Mad Cat Dreadnought!!!
It is a Timber Wolf, you Inner Sphere scum. :-)
I'll call it what I like, you Free-birth Clan invader!
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Post by: Hekal Xul
Kromlech female Navigator sneak peak
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Really like the new IF models, annoyed we're expected to pay an extra £20 for our PA special units.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
reds8n wrote:http://www.forgeworld.co. uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/N/Navigator.pdf
.... I don't recall these existing before ...?
I really like the Navigator model, is there a possibility someone here is attending and could pick one up for me?
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Post by: Darth Bob
Thanks!
That one is also cool. But is she on a 40mm base? She looks a bit tall for 40k's scale.
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Post by: Knockagh
That male navigator by trolls is a wonderful model. Must get one.
FW are being stupid over the upgrade kit instead if a full squad kit. It's just annoying people. FW customers are the happiest of anyone all within the GW family, no need to start annoying them. Even the money aside it's just plain annoying buying multiple kits and sorting through bits.
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Post by: BrookM
That one guy is more an Astropath than a navigator. The lass on the other hand, she's a proper navigator, with third eye and everything.
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Post by: Kosake
Knockagh wrote:That male navigator by trolls is a wonderful model. Must get one.
FW are being stupid over the upgrade kit instead if a full squad kit. It's just annoying people. FW customers are the happiest of anyone all within the GW family, no need to start annoying them. Even the money aside it's just plain annoying buying multiple kits and sorting through bits.
I think the problem is the economics of scale. They can expect to sell say 20.000 kits of regular marines but maybe only 500 kits of the Imp-Fist specific ones. That makes the moulds for the later much more costly by comparisson, so if they want to make the same amount of profit, they have to charge a higher price. This however is problematic, as asking 30€ for this set of small dudes but asking 50€ for this other set of equally small dudes might lead to some questions. So they split it into a seemingly "cheap" upgrade set, relying on you to just buy another regular kit.
That said, it's not like Forgeworld isn't charging you 200% extra on top of the 100% that GW is charging you extra for the models. They just don't want to have models that bring back less than a certain high amount of revenue.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
 Kosake wrote:Knockagh wrote:That male navigator by trolls is a wonderful model. Must get one.
FW are being stupid over the upgrade kit instead if a full squad kit. It's just annoying people. FW customers are the happiest of anyone all within the GW family, no need to start annoying them. Even the money aside it's just plain annoying buying multiple kits and sorting through bits.
I think the problem is the economics of scale. They can expect to sell say 20.000 kits of regular marines but maybe only 500 kits of the Imp-Fist specific ones. That makes the moulds for the later much more costly by comparisson, so if they want to make the same amount of profit, they have to charge a higher price. This however is problematic, as asking 30€ for this set of small dudes but asking 50€ for this other set of equally small dudes might lead to some questions. So they split it into a seemingly "cheap" upgrade set, relying on you to just buy another regular kit.
That said, it's not like Forgeworld isn't charging you 200% extra on top of the 100% that GW is charging you extra for the models. They just don't want to have models that bring back less than a certain high amount of revenue.
It's just kind of a piss off after all the Legion-specific units have been full casts and generally not dramatically more expensive than their closest equivalents, and the two IF units are now the most expensive 30k infantry out there.
As for FW's relative pricing, for non-US/ UK regions, it's usually more like 10-20% more than GW prime (and a discount for Australia!), but every GBP more a kit costs, especially for someone using Canadapesos for instance, it becomes proportionatly that much more expensive. At present, a FW marine squad costs about the same as buying the plastic Sternguard in similar numbers, but those IF kits are now just shy of $100 for 5 CAD. That's leagues beyond every other marine choice one can make. If the conversion set wasn't almost as expensive as the actual squad you need to buy to use them, maybe it'd be different, but as it is, it's a firm "No thank you" from myself.
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_42.html
FORGE WORLD BULLETIN 42
You may have noticed a whole host of new Imperial Fists upgrade kits we’ve released recently. It looks like we’re not done with the VIIth Legion just yet – I caught sight of this awesome Command set a few days ago being worked on in the Forge World Studio.
This fantastic looking Imperial Fists Command set could be in production soon.
I enjoy scouting out the Forge World Studio to see what everyone’s been working on. Neil Cook’s World Eaters Legion recently found a new home on display in the Studio and I borrowed it briefly to take a few pictures. Neil plays a very fast moving World Eaters army, with plenty of Scimitar Jetbikes and Assault Squads, supported by Contemptor Dreadnoughts and Spartan Assault Tanks loaded with Cataphractii Terminators. Even with his Legion reaching 4,500 points, Neil’s still planning on adding more units.
Neil’s World Eaters Legion on the attack!
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Chris.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Hot damn that command guy looks awesome!!
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Post by: Padre
Padre wrote:Yep, very nice, now let's get some more photos of the upcoming Mad Cat Dreadnought!!!
X2
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Post by: Fireball
Just a few days ago I had made up my mind to use the MKIII Command set for the IF and now FW is putting out a special command set for them ... still looks great IMO
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Now we're talking.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
reds8n wrote:http://www.forgeworld.co. uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_42.html
FORGE WORLD BULLETIN 42
You may have noticed a whole host of new Imperial Fists upgrade kits we’ve released recently. It looks like we’re not done with the VIIth Legion just yet – I caught sight of this awesome Command set a few days ago being worked on in the Forge World Studio.
Haters gonna Hate
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm glad they posted that closeup - I had no idea there was fine scroll work on the armor. It looks great, and I can't wait to see what they do next for Legions I'm actually interested in buying miniatures for!
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Post by: Theophony
 Alpharius wrote:I'm glad they posted that closeup - I had no idea there was fine scroll work on the armor. It looks great, and I can't wait to see what they do next for Legions I'm actually interested in buying miniatures for!
They were practicing doing fine Curlrys on the armor to make sure they can give all the Alpha Legion guys appropriate mustaches , still working on babies stapled to foreheads though.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'd be in for a squad - if all my Alpha Legion weren't True Scale!
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Post by: sockwithaticket
I really hope that helmet's a separate bit so I can get hold of it on its own.
Still find it interesting that the Fists are currently the only Legion whose models bear the Raptor iconography.
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Post by: Fireball
sockwithaticket wrote:I really hope that helmet's a separate bit so I can get hold of it on its own.
Still find it interesting that the Fists are currently the only Legion whose models bear the Raptor iconography.
The helmet will be separate for sure ... and the eagle head plus the lightning symbolizes participation in the unification wars, but I am not 100% sure.
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Post by: Azreal13
The Palatine Blades and Kakophoni kits both have the heads cast as part of the body, so it isn't guaranteed. That said, it looks like the head is separate in this case.
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Post by: Fireball
 Azreal13 wrote:The Palatine Blades and Kakophoni kits both have the heads cast as part of the body, so it isn't guaranteed. That said, it looks like the head is separate in this case.
I have the Palatine Blades and I think the helmets are separate as well ... perhaps not for all five bodies?
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
sockwithaticket wrote:I really hope that helmet's a separate bit so I can get hold of it on its own.
Still find it interesting that the Fists are currently the only Legion whose models bear the Raptor iconography.
Think it's due to them having a higher than normal tie to Terra than the other legions also has something to do with them being quite a 'plain' legion compared to the other loyalist legions covered so it helps to add a bit more detail to the models.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Over on Bolter and Chainsword we seem to be reaching a consensus that it might be Sigismund, he looks a lot like Siggy on the cover of the Templar audio drama, his sword is chained to him, something Sigismund picked up from the World Eaters. I don't get why they wouldn't shout about it more if it is Sigismund, maybe it's a dual purpose kit, Sigismund and command squad type thing. I was very dubious at first but who knows.
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Post by: Azreal13
 Fireball wrote: Azreal13 wrote:The Palatine Blades and Kakophoni kits both have the heads cast as part of the body, so it isn't guaranteed. That said, it looks like the head is separate in this case.
I have the Palatine Blades and I think the helmets are separate as well ... perhaps not for all five bodies?
Ah no, my bad, the Kakophoni have their heads attached, it's the torso/legs which are one piece with the Blades.
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Post by: Fireball
 ImAGeek wrote:Over on Bolter and Chainsword we seem to be reaching a consensus that it might be Sigismund, he looks a lot like Siggy on the cover of the Templar audio drama, his sword is chained to him, something Sigismund picked up from the World Eaters. I don't get why they wouldn't shout about it more if it is Sigismund, maybe it's a dual purpose kit, Sigismund and command squad type thing. I was very dubious at first but who knows.
At first I thought so too, but that would be a little underwhelming (at least IMO and in comparison to the Pollux model). Also I do not think that the writer of the Bulletin would make such a mistake - he talks about a command unit, so I guess a banner guy will be there too.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Fireball wrote: ImAGeek wrote:Over on Bolter and Chainsword we seem to be reaching a consensus that it might be Sigismund, he looks a lot like Siggy on the cover of the Templar audio drama, his sword is chained to him, something Sigismund picked up from the World Eaters. I don't get why they wouldn't shout about it more if it is Sigismund, maybe it's a dual purpose kit, Sigismund and command squad type thing. I was very dubious at first but who knows.
At first I thought so too, but that would be a little underwhelming (at least IMO and in comparison to the Pollux model). Also I do not think that the writer of the Bulletin would make such a mistake - he talks about a command unit, so I guess a banner guy will be there too.
That's exactly what I thought too, but he really does look a lot like the Templar cover. I really don't know. I just don't feel like they've left themselves much room for Sigismund if he's going to look like the art for him.
I was underwhelmed at first too but he's grown on me. I don't mind either way, I don't do Imperial Fists and he's a cool model, whoever he is.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Could be Sigismund I guess, though I'm sure he wasn't the only one to chain weapons to himself in the Imperial Fist legion.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Yeah, seems to be a bit under whelming to be Sigismund.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Come on,
We know that major characters never wear a helmet (coz plot armour is far safer)
so while this might do as a 'counts as' Sigismund (or even have been inspired by the cover) it's not going to be released an official one
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Post by: Fireball
ImAGeek wrote: Fireball wrote: ImAGeek wrote:Over on Bolter and Chainsword we seem to be reaching a consensus that it might be Sigismund, he looks a lot like Siggy on the cover of the Templar audio drama, his sword is chained to him, something Sigismund picked up from the World Eaters. I don't get why they wouldn't shout about it more if it is Sigismund, maybe it's a dual purpose kit, Sigismund and command squad type thing. I was very dubious at first but who knows.
At first I thought so too, but that would be a little underwhelming (at least IMO and in comparison to the Pollux model). Also I do not think that the writer of the Bulletin would make such a mistake - he talks about a command unit, so I guess a banner guy will be there too.
That's exactly what I thought too, but he really does look a lot like the Templar cover. I really don't know. I just don't feel like they've left themselves much room for Sigismund if he's going to look like the art for him.
I was underwhelmed at first too but he's grown on me. I don't mind either way, I don't do Imperial Fists and he's a cool model, whoever he is.
I will try my first IF in the next few weeks, although I am afraid of painting with yellow. About the model - the armor looks very sophisticated, but looking at the Templar Brethren Upgrade set I guess Sigismund will have much more Templar icons on him than just a chain around the neck. I am also pretty sure Sigi will get a cloak ...
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Post by: ImAGeek
angelofvengeance wrote:Could be Sigismund I guess, though I'm sure he wasn't the only one to chain weapons to himself in the Imperial Fist legion.
He was, or at least the first. He picked it up from fighting in the arenas on the World Eaters ship, it's a World Eaters tradition he picked up. I wonder if all those Black Templars are aware they're using WE traditions...
I'm not saying it is him, just that it's close enough to the art that it could be. And in terms of helmets, Kharn and Typhon both come with helmets from FW.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Fireball wrote: sockwithaticket wrote:I really hope that helmet's a separate bit so I can get hold of it on its own.
Still find it interesting that the Fists are currently the only Legion whose models bear the Raptor iconography.
The helmet will be separate for sure ... and the eagle head plus the lightning symbolizes participation in the unification wars, but I am not 100% sure.
Yep, that's what the icon represents, but so far the only Legion models that have it sculpted on are IF ones. It's on the Contemptor, one of the upgrade torsos, one of the Phalanx Warder torsos and one of the Teplar Brethren Torsos.
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: sockwithaticket wrote:I really hope that helmet's a separate bit so I can get hold of it on its own.
Still find it interesting that the Fists are currently the only Legion whose models bear the Raptor iconography.
Think it's due to them having a higher than normal tie to Terra than the other legions also has something to do with them being quite a 'plain' legion compared to the other loyalist legions covered so it helps to add a bit more detail to the models.
Fully aware that I'm ignorant of Forgeworld's HH books and the BL series I'd have thought it's the latter rather than the former. What gives them a stronger tie to Terra than others? It's supposed to be a Unification Wars vet. symbol, but didn't most of the legions take part in those?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Most of the legions were in the Unification wars (well, all), but I think the Imperial Fists just were more... Badass? During it? I definitely know there's a lot of talk about them being very prolific during the Unification, but I haven't read it properly yet. I think it's a mix of the 2, that they were prolific during the unification, and it's just an easy way to make IF look more decorated.
Also I think different legions used different representation for Unification veterans, the Raven Guard in Extermination have a little raven skull sigil for their unification veterans.
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Post by: Prestor Jon
ImAGeek wrote:Most of the legions were in the Unification wars (well, all), but I think the Imperial Fists just were more... Badass? During it? I definitely know there's a lot of talk about them being very prolific during the Unification, but I haven't read it properly yet. I think it's a mix of the 2, that they were prolific during the unification, and it's just an easy way to make IF look more decorated.
Also I think different legions used different representation for Unification veterans, the Raven Guard in Extermination have a little raven skull sigil for their unification veterans.
Another factor might be that the Imperial Fists recruited from all across Terra in the inception and have always had the ability to recruit from Terra so the Unification Wars hold more significance to them compared to other chapters wherein Terran born Marines were a minority that died out.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Wasn't Sigismund the first (and only Imperial Fists) Emperor's Champion? If so, wouldn't this HAVE to be him?
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Post by: ImAGeek
 casvalremdeikun wrote:Wasn't Sigismund the first (and only Imperial Fists) Emperor's Champion? If so, wouldn't this HAVE to be him?
He was, but why would it HAVE to be him?
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
ImAGeek wrote: casvalremdeikun wrote:Wasn't Sigismund the first (and only Imperial Fists) Emperor's Champion? If so, wouldn't this HAVE to be him?
He was, but why would it HAVE to be him?
because there were no other Imperial Fists Emperor's Champions.
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Post by: ImAGeek
But nothing says this is an Emperors Champion, apart from the fact he looks a bit like one. But that doesn't really mean anything considering he just looks Templar like.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
ImAGeek wrote:But nothing says this is an Emperors Champion, apart from the fact he looks a bit like one. But that doesn't really mean anything considering he just looks Templar like.
How about, "Predicated on the assumption that this is an Imperial Fists Emperor's Champion, this would have to be Sigismund"? Either way, I think I just found Pedro Kantor's Chapter Champion for my Crimson Fists.
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Post by: ImAGeek
So basically you're saying 'if it's Sigismund, it has to be Sigismund'? If it is an Emperors Champion, yeah it's him. But we don't know if it is an Emperors Champion, so it only might be him.
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Post by: Desubot
He isnt saying its Sigismund but
its Sigismund
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
This. And I shall own him and Polux and paint them as Crimson Fists.
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Post by: Moopy
I think the FW blurb said this figure was part of a command squad. So, not Sigismund.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
 Moopy wrote:I think the FW blurb said this figure was part of a command squad. So, not Sigismund.
It says they caught sight of a Command SET at the studio. We have already seen Polux(who was a Captain), now we are seeing could be Sigismund(also a Captain).
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Post by: Fireball
casvalremdeikun wrote: Moopy wrote:I think the FW blurb said this figure was part of a command squad. So, not Sigismund.
It says they caught sight of a Command SET at the studio. We have already seen Polux(who was a Captain), now we are seeing could be Sigismund(also a Captain).
Sorry, if this is Sigismund the writer would have said it. It is a Captain who will likely have a banner guy with him (as it exists for MkII, III, IV and for the Sons of Horus). If they make a Sigismund model, it will be more impressive IMO (in line with Pollux or Sevetar judging from the sneak peak).
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
I think that a lot of the Sigismund mumblings are coming from the pose and the similarities it has to the BT EC.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: I think that a lot of the Sigismund mumblings are coming from the pose and the similarities it has to the BT EC.
Yeah, and the fact he looks identical to the Sigismund art on the cover of Templar:
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Loved that audiobook. Sigismund is a badass.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Seriously Geek: Occam's Razor. The post mentions the command squad and shows a picture of an ornate Marine. Most likely explanation is that that picture is a preview of the command squad.
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Post by: ImAGeek
H.B.M.C. wrote:Seriously Geek: Occam's Razor. The post mentions the command squad and shows a picture of an ornate Marine. Most likely explanation is that that picture is a preview of the command squad.
I know, like I said. It probably is. But I can see why people would think its Sigismund, and there are things that do point to if being him. But I agree, they said its a command squad, so it probably is a command squad.
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Post by: zedmeister
It'll be like these except, er, Fistier:
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Post by: beast_gts
Forgeworld have just released the monster rules from Monstrous Arcanum as PDF downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/fwDownloads
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Post by: ImAGeek
I'm very glad they did that. Good move, especially if the fantasy rumours turn out to be false.
I wish they'd done all of them though, not just the ones with models.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
It does suggest there never will be models for the unreleased ones.
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Post by: beast_gts
Yep, and the Squig Gobba rules are still the old ones (they released newer ones on their Facebook page).
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah, I think that was pretty much a given now, but it is a shame. I wish we'd seen a Khemric Titan.
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Post by: Goatmoerser
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Post by: zedmeister
Arrrgh Ninja'd!
One particular weapon that's been waited for, for sure. Paragon of metal + darkfire cannon = fun times
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Is Castellax the biggest automata? I forget.
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Post by: Banesword
Thanatar (=Dreadknight-size) , Castellax, Thallax, Tech-Thrall
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Post by: Looky Likey
I have to get a couple of those, been waiting a long time for that weapon option.
Looks like the power cable is too short - again - to allow free posing of the model, I'll have to order an alternative from Zinge again. Not really good enough.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Oooooh! Pretty!
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Post by: Commander Cain
I've just given up putting the power cables on any of the robots, really limit the poseability (is that a real word?) of the model.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Have you looked at the flexible cables from Zinge ( http://zinge.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=17)? I've used those for all my thanatar and castellax and they made it easy to sort. Need to get some more for my Vorax.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Of course, after I ordered the regular ones, these come out (mine were going to use Darkfire cannons, too).
Which means the plasma fusil Thallax are probably right around the corner, too.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
External power cables.fuel hoses feel a bit stupid to me anyway in most cases. Have they really not found a way to internalise or better protect them in the far flung future?
I chop off heavy flamer/meltagun fuel lines for dreadnought arms accordingly.
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Post by: Accolade
God, I've always loved the Mechanicus/Mechanicum. I find myself buying their models even though I don't have any particular plans/space for an army!
The Castellax is my personal favorite, and this one is no exception.
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Post by: SirDonlad
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Which means the plasma fusil Thallax are probably right around the corner, too.
don't jinx it please...
the best answer i got was 'soon' when i asked about the legendary phased-plasma fusil.
i am a follower of the cult of WYSIWYG and all my teeth are flat and smooth now thanks to the delay in this particular weapon option.
nice to see progress in the right direction rather than more dreadnoughts.
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Post by: Ifurita
Didn't see this appear anywhere else. Appeared today in one of the FB groups I am part of.
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Post by: Desubot
Oh god no thank you.
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Post by: Bronzefists42
Looks very gundam. Will have to see the dread painted before passing judgement.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Definitely better than what I thought it was going to look like I'll have to wait to see some more pics from different angles to make my mind up completely, price is pretty good though.
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