Grarg wrote: They are selling 2 dreadnoughts, a sonic and a regular. You get 2 dreadnought models, but can only field one of them without buying another arm or 2. You can either use the sonic variant or the regular one, the sonic weapons can't be used by a regular dreadnought.
As far as i can tell, all their bundles come with enough stuff to field all the models without buying extra (i could be wrong here).
EDIT: Actually, you can't field a regular dreadnought, the chainfist and missile launcher are on the same arm.....
You could field two sonic dreadnoughts with the kit though. The only difference between the chassis of the one thats labeled 'sonic' and the one thats not labeled 'sonic' is the doom siren on the top but you could easily say its represented by the speaker on the front.
The kits definitely aren't sold with enough to field all the models in general. Look at the renegade bundle. You need about another $400 worth of cadian boxes to field what they show in the picture, most of that bundel is just upgrade/conversion kits.
Commander Cain wrote: I'm actually a fan of the new stormhammer design. The double turreted version just looked too busy and messy. This version I can actually picture being a real tank and looks very compact and deadly.
This is how I feel about it- the only thing I don't like is the single barrelled main weapon on the turret, IMO is would look better if that was also a double weapon like the original model. Other than that, it looks very bulky and suitably like a mobile fortress bristling with firepower. I particularly like how they have made the Baneblade chassis look suitably reinforced and armoured to justify the additional hull point. It really looks like it can take a beating and deal it out in return. I would say it is suited to urban warfare, from the way the sponsons cover all-round on the flanks.
No, really, it did. The Stormblade was pretty much a Shadowsword with a different gun, plus a middile on top of its gun, and then a rack of missiles on the side. Take those missiles away and it looks pretty much the same. This... thing... on the other hand looks nothing like a Stormhammer. It only has one turret, that turret only has a single barrel, and it sits on top of a limited-movement double-barrelled gun. The idea that it's as different to an actual Stormhammer as the FW Stormblade was to the original Epic Stormblade is just absurd.
Honestly, why does anyone care about the old epic models? Many of them were just plain ugly designs, and the limits of epic-scale metal casting became painfully obvious when Armorcast scaled them up to 28mm size. FW is doing exactly what they should: keep some elements of the original models as inspiration, but throw out the rest.
Well, it's still easy to make the twin turret version. As already pictured earlier, the conversion bits can be purchased from the Blood and Skulls Industry Ebay store. And probably cheaper to buy them and a plastic Baneblade than it would be to buy the FW version.
There's still room for an alternate pattern in the future. There seem to be quite a few fans of the old Stormhammer (I had never heard of it until someone, I think Alpharius, voiced their hopes for a Stormhammer), and it wouldn't be unusual for Forge World to take this criticism and make one more similar to that excellent conversion. What's the point in making a such an old and little-known vehicle if not to cater to its fans?
I don't think there's any real chance of a new version. Let's take a look at the old model:
Notice how the front turret has a really narrow arc of fire anyway, no better than the casemate mounted battlecannons on the FW model. So the turret makes no sense, it just has weaker armor and a more complicated design with no advantages to make up for it. So that leaves the change to the main gun, which was also inevitable. A Baneblade-size tank with nothing better than STR 8 AP 3 (precedent from the Macharius and Minotaur is that double guns = bigger blast but no extra strength) would suck, so that means making a bigger gun. And a double Baneblade cannon turret would just look stupid. Conclusion: double battlecannons in a hull mount, single large main gun. These changes were made for good reasons, and I can't see FW going back to the old epic model after putting that much work into the current one.
I agree with everything you're saying, but it just seems that the demand for it is there, plus the fact that the twin turrets seem to be the major defining feature of the Stormhammer. This tank, while cool, doesn't have that singular trait that "makes" the Stormhammer for some people, and I understand that. I just wouldn't be surprised if they put out a variant with two dual battle cannons (twin-linked is useless), although I wouldn't hope for it either.
It always amuses me to see a guy with a pintle-mounted storm bolter on things like this. It's almost like it's only there to make the rest of the weapons look better.
I like those but I can't help feel that the guys inside would have to be rather squat not to have to crouch due to the low ceiling. I prefer the Armageddon pattern.
Got my copy of Conquest yesterday and its a big improvement over the other books in terms of layout, the armory section is actually alphabetical for once and lists all of the weapons so no more hunting around for weapons profiles. The limited edition (did you know only 500 left ) card's are also very useful with all the weapons profiles on them. The poster is useless for me as was the one in IA13 as it was folded, FW need to offer an upgrade option again for rolled posters.
The relics cover ALL of the legions not just the ones covered in books 1-3, as does the amazing looking campaign rules, which also include city fighting. The campaign rules give you the perfect base for campaigns of any size or length. Some of the deployment types are a little strange, constraining one side to deploying in effectively a 7" blast template and so on, so I'm not sure they are best suited to competitive play without further work but fun for friendly games.
The allies table makes mention of Agents of both the Emperor and the Warmaster, hopefully these will come in book 5 as promised as they read like they work the same as Assassins from the Assassins codex but a much wider types of Agent. Would be nice to see some proto Grey Knights (Garro!) to help counter the coming Daemons.
The Solar list and Knight list have been covered elsewhere but are both great. Solar they can be taken for either side, which is a nice touch. The Knight list is what GW should have released in the first place. I get the impression that they are done with Imperial Knights for a while now as the list makes no mention of new units (FW are happy releasing rules without models still seemingly) and this list feels self contained. I would hope we would see Chaos Knights in book 6 with the first models launching ahead of that.
If you only play SM or Mechanicum then I'm not sure this book is a must have, the relics are a nice touch but only a few per Legion, I guess it depends on how much you want the Campaign rules.
Looky Likey wrote: I like those but I can't help feel that the guys inside would have to be rather squat not to have to crouch due to the low ceiling. I prefer the Armageddon pattern.
It's actually not too bad. I've got a LRBT and Armageddon-pattern Medusa on my desk here and it looks like the 30k artillery tanks have a crew compartment that's about the same height as the Armageddon-pattern versions. And the Armageddon-pattern interior actually has a lot of extra height inside, assuming you're using true-28mm infantry like the DKoK models and not "heroic" scale stuff like the GW Cadians.
I'll still probably stick to the older tanks though, unless by some miracle the new ones have a full interior that just isn't shown in any of the pictures. They're not a bad design and I'm kind of tempted by them, but I really love the interior detail on the Armageddon-pattern tanks.
10 Questoris Knight Magaera
9 Cerastus Knight-Castigator
8 Archmagos Draykavac / Archmagos
7 Imperial Armour Volume Five: The Siege of Vraks - Part One
6 Legion Sicaran Battle Tank
5 The Horus Heresy Book Three: Extermination
4 Vulkan Primarch of the Salamanders
3 Imperial Armour Volume 4 - The Anphelion Project, Second Edition
2 Tau XV107 Y'vahra Battlesuit
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Not surprising that the latest IA is #1. Nice to see that it also clearly boosted sales of the Sicaran to move it into the #6 spot. I'm betting Vraks is up there because of it's the nice sale price they were selling it at to unload it.
I do hope all those Y'vahra buyers won't be too unhappy when Forgeworld finalizes the rules for it, because I doubt the final version will be the same as the experimental.
Finally got to look at Conquest, and my advice is simple: BUY THIS BOOK. The campaign and mission systems make a cruel joke of everything "main GW" has published in the past few years, and are worth the cost of the book even if you don't care at all about the 30k setting.
And reading their explanation of the FOC is just hilarious. In slightly less polite terms: "you know all that idiocy about unbound armies, everything being scoring, and unrestricted LoW? Don't use any of it."
Peregrine wrote: The campaign and mission systems make a cruel joke of everything "main GW" has published in the past few years, and are worth the cost of the book even if you don't care at all about the 30k setting.
Well that sounds good, and considering how often you gak on everything 40K Perry, that's some damned high praise.
Peregrine wrote: Finally got to look at Conquest, and my advice is simple: BUY THIS BOOK. The campaign and mission systems make a cruel joke of everything "main GW" has published in the past few years, and are worth the cost of the book even if you don't care at all about the 30k setting.
And reading their explanation of the FOC is just hilarious. In slightly less polite terms: "you know all that idiocy about unbound armies, everything being scoring, and unrestricted LoW? Don't use any of it."
That does sound interesting or at least retro/improved. Do they include rules for improving units like back in 3rd edition if they win/survive?
warboss wrote: Do they include rules for improving units like back in 3rd edition if they win/survive?
Yep, and with pretty nice detail. Multiple upgrade tables to roll on, rules for what happens when an upgraded unit is removed as a casualty, special "one per campaign faction" artifacts that a single character can carry, even a mission for rescuing your character if the result of the casualty table is "captured". The only real problem IMO is that it's limited to non-vehicle units, so if you want to have tank commanders/dreads/etc you'll need to come up with your own additions.
FW is pretty much the only reason I'm still in 40k.. They refuse to replace their beautiful books with the new terrible digital layout that is making GW books worthless to buy (imo).. and by rejecting most of the 6th and 7th ed garbage they're my heroes.
I think we have a name for the large flyer FW hinted at during Warhammer Fest from Conquest: Warhawk, smaller and more agile than the Condor class Stormbird. Relics as they were of the earliest wars of the Great Crusade.
Looky Likey wrote: I think we have a name for the large flyer FW hinted at during Warhammer Fest from Conquest: Warhawk, smaller and more agile than the Condor class Stormbird. Relics as they were of the earliest wars of the Great Crusade.
Smaller? Whatever happened to the whole "go big or go home" thing the legions have going on?
Johnson101 wrote: Well to my understanding a Stormbird is huge, like almost Tau Manta huge, so this new flyer is still going to be massive despite being smaller
Exactly, the Stormbird would be too big to sell very many as it would take up most of a deployment zone on an average table. Titans are more practical as they have a smaller footprint.
Is there any source materiel for storm birds as at warhammerfest they said they would be releasing a large flyer. In my head I picture it as a star wars lamba shuttle look with two turrets on the wings like the fire raptors and a big ramp at the back. Am I wrong?
I have to echo the sentiments above - Book 4 is no filler book by any standards (Like Imperial Armour 6 was). It has tons of information including a whole subsector's principle planets described (Including Port Maw - no Blackstone Fortresses mentioned though). Loads of different battle scenarios, force orgs and variations, relic weapons for all legions. A full campaign system with examples given. The raid battles are a great entry for new Horus Heresy players being designed for smaller forces of around 1,500pts. A Knight list that shows up the GW codex effort as being amateur at best. The tantalising 'Black Shield' Legionary. Being able to field 1-3 10 man Solar Auxilia Veterans with Volkite Chargers as a compulsory Troop choice.
Smaller forces of 1500pts? Are HH battles generally apoc sized? I know they have a 25% restriction on LOW. The black shield sounds intriguing...is that the same as the Deathwatch black shield where they disown their previous allegiance?
It's intended to be played in the 1750-2500 point range, maybe up to 2500-3000. Besides the LOW there are a lot of expensive elite units, and in smaller games you just don't have as much space for all the cool toys once you've got your basic core units covered. You can play it at lower point levels, but most people who buy all that expensive stuff are probably going to want to use it.
It's intended to be played in the 1750-2500 point range, maybe up to 2500-3000. Besides the LOW there are a lot of expensive elite units, and in smaller games you just don't have as much space for all the cool toys once you've got your basic core units covered. You can play it at lower point levels, but most people who buy all that expensive stuff are probably going to want to use it.
I disagree peri, ive played at least 100+ games of HH and its fairly clear to me its best at 2400-3000pts, this allows primarchs and super heavies and still have enough for an actual army, now strip the heavies and the primarchs and I would kind of agree, but not below 2k, legion lists start to suck real hard below 2k
and yes you are 1000000000000%% correct that we who buy this expensive stuff want to use it all haha
I agree, I don't bother playing 30k under 2.5k, just doesn't seem to work. One thing I do prefer is less vehicle lead army lists, too many people load out their lists vehicle heavy when the HH was more about 10,000s of Marines killing each other on the battlefield.
I'm expecting new rules from FW for smaller point games at some point, they've show with the campaign rules in Conquest that they are prepared to make a good rule set so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Formosa wrote: I disagree peri, ive played at least 100+ games of HH and its fairly clear to me its best at 2400-3000pts, this allows primarchs and super heavies and still have enough for an actual army, now strip the heavies and the primarchs and I would kind of agree, but not below 2k, legion lists start to suck real hard below 2k
You're partly right, it actually says that the game is designed for 1750-3500, not 2500. But if you're willing to leave out the LoW units (and you can't take them at all below 2000 points) there's nothing stopping you from playing a smaller game. You can cover the mandatory troops + HQ in ~500 points, so even a 1000 point game leaves room for an interesting unit or two. The main reason behind bigger games is simply that a lot of people invest in a big 30k army with all the expensive toys and want to use them every game.
Yodhrin wrote: Personally I much prefer it to the original design, and while I understand a lot of folk wanted "THAT Stormhammer", the new weapon layout makes far more sense - the old secondary turret could only traverse through the front arc anyway without shooting its own tracks off, so a Malcador-style mount works fine, and the old "yo I herd you liek turrets so I stuck turrets on yo turrets..." setup for the sponsons was odd IMO.
I dunno, the Imperial Fists 40k scale conversion posted earlier looks like a pretty convincing design to me (insofar as the imperiums extraordinarily impractical and unrealistic designs go).
On an earlier note I must parrot the others now that I have my copy of book 4 and have had the time to read through it.
It is frakking awsome!
This might just be the best book yet in the series.
The Knight and Auxilia lists are well constructed with make-sense rules and a truckload of awsome.
The backgroundsections of the sector, it's planets, forces and history is rich, diverse and above all, nods and winks a lot at the old Battlefleet Gothic (and other publications featuring the gothic sector) material.
The campaignsystem and added styles of play (and there was a Cityfiiiiight!) is nothing short of star-sparkling, unicorn-bacon-flavoured, could-have-been-written-by-Dan-Abnett, Brilliant!
I think I am shelving my precious FW-Emperor's Day-Present to myself in the form of a small mechanicum army for a Cerastus Castrigator and some Solar Auxilia.
One thing though, I can't find the definition of that the Occular augmentics for the Questoris knights is but am coming up empty after an hour and a half of looking. What page should I be looking on?
I'll echo what others have said already: Conquest is a phenomenal book. I've only skimmed through each of the sections, but it's impressive so far. The extra cards with the tables and weapon stats are really handy too.
Zuul wrote: I just got my Conquest today. It's amazing.
One thing though, I can't find the definition of that the Occular augmentics for the Questoris knights is but am coming up empty after an hour and a half of looking. What page should I be looking on?
Page 301, in the special rules box for the Knight Paladin.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'll echo what others have said already: Conquest is a phenomenal book. I've only skimmed through each of the sections, but it's impressive so far. The extra cards with the tables and weapon stats are really handy too.
Great book. 100% not filler.
I was happy until I put it on the shelf next to Isstvan special edition and noticed it is a bit shorter so they don't line up nicely. Which is the only reason I picked up special edition rather than regular.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'll echo what others have said already: Conquest is a phenomenal book. I've only skimmed through each of the sections, but it's impressive so far. The extra cards with the tables and weapon stats are really handy too.
Great book. 100% not filler.
I was happy until I put it on the shelf next to Isstvan special edition and noticed it is a bit shorter so they don't line up nicely. Which is the only reason I picked up special edition rather than regular.
That bugged me more than it should as well, why its so hard to get books printed to set dimensions I'll never know.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'll echo what others have said already: Conquest is a phenomenal book. I've only skimmed through each of the sections, but it's impressive so far. The extra cards with the tables and weapon stats are really handy too.
Great book. 100% not filler.
I was happy until I put it on the shelf next to Isstvan special edition and noticed it is a bit shorter so they don't line up nicely. Which is the only reason I picked up special edition rather than regular.
That bugged me more than it should as well, why its so hard to get books printed to set dimensions I'll never know.
Same thing with DVDs and the printing on the spine. Now I am really thinking about picking up the Special Edition and not wait for the regular one ...
Got mine the other day. Why has nobody mentioned how awesome the Dark age of technology relics are?
That nano-thingy is bonkers! personal void shields, a thingy that lets you count as having rolled a six, personal teleporters, they are all pretty cool and characterful.
This product has limited stock remaining. Imperial Armour Volume Five – the Siege of Vraks Part One will be removed from sale on Monday 1st December or sooner.
I wish they sold IA7. I still don't have that one.
Regular edition of the fourth HH book is also up for pre-order, it won't ship until the 17th though, well past the cut-off date on regular outside of the UK.
But £78!! It makes the special edition tempting to those who want to by HH4.
I'm going to wait for the little books myself as my book shelves (& wallet) are now under considerable strain!
Well, caved in and decided to get the special edition of Conquest, after hearing all the stuff about the Knight list, I'm mighty tempted to see what that's all about. Wow, my first FW Horus Heresy purchase.
Until they run out of Legions. Then they'll start on the Venerable Contemptors.
Don't forget the late-Heresy "obviously ebil now" Traitor Legion variants.
Dat Leman Russ though, it's a lovely tank. Vehicles like that are pretty much the only thing that makes me regret preferring to play 40K at smaller points levels, because a squadron of those in Mechanicus red livery would look amazing.
Until they run out of Legions. Then they'll start on the Venerable Contemptors.
Haven't they already stated a new dreadnought variant is in the works, and people are guessing it's the space crusade version? Wait till all the legion versions of that start coming out as well
Not only are the adornments located smartly, but there's a great diversity of them and the whole thing doesn't look overly busy despite there actually being a hell of a lot of various decorations. I rather like the the crossed swords on the leg myself.
I like the IF dreadnought a lot too, and I have a small IF HH force, so that may be in the pipeline in the future
As for more Contemptors, there are 10 Legion specific ones out atm, we can expect 2 more in the short term (Alpha Legion and Word Bearers) to round out the 12 currently released Legions, and then we can expect 6 more in the future when more HH books are released. So that will leave us with 20 in total I will be honest, whilst I like the Contemptor, and have no problems with it having all it's Legion specific variants, I'm not sure if another 20 dreadnoughts of a new type will work. There may just be too many dreadnought varieties for any one dreadnought model to make a profit at that point surely?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Btw, does anyone have the stats for the twin-linked volkite demi-culverin that Leman Russ is packing? How does it compare to a normal volkite culverin, because a twin culverin is a bit worse than an Exterminator autocannon tbh, so I'm expecting the demi-culverin to be up-gunned.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Btw, does anyone have the stats for the twin-linked volkite demi-culverin that Leman Russ is packing? How does it compare to a normal volkite culverin, because a twin culverin is a bit worse than an Exterminator autocannon tbh, so I'm expecting the demi-culverin to be up-gunned.
Same as the Culverin for range and AP, but 5 shots at S7.
Nice, that is certainly decent. I would take one over an Exterminator for those stats. Not sure what it's ideal targets are though, because deflagrate is wasted on light vehicles, and most higher toughness infantry units in the HH lists have good saves that negate the effectiveness somewhat. Maybe against daemon allies for a Word Bearers list it would be really good.
Note that there are some big disadvantages for the volkite LRBT:
1) It's expensive. You're paying almost 200 points, compared to 150ish for the exterminator.
2) It is not a heavy vehicle. If you move you can only snap fire your other guns, so unless you want to use your LRBT as a stationary gun emplacement the exerminator's HBs make up for the lost shot.
3) No sponson options. Again, HB sponsons (and the option to move and shoot them at full BS) makes up for the lower number of shots from the main gun.
Until they run out of Legions. Then they'll start on the Venerable Contemptors.
And then ironclad contemptors. And then venerable ironclad contemptors...
I wonder whether they'll reintroduce the two lost legions only to make more contemptors.
And then Possessed Ironclad Venerable Contemptors. And then Possessed Ironclad Venerable Relic Contemptors. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they re-introduced Eldar Dreadnoughts just so they could make Contemptor Wraithlords.
Word of note to any gamers from my part of the UK, Northern Ireland. Just had an email from forge world telling me we have been reclassified as part of Western Europe and no longer part of the UK for Christmas shipping dates...... Nice. GW, accepting the UK's intellectual property tax brakes, but not the stamp service..... big applause. Oh and I didn't get my free shipping coupon with my last order that arrived on Thursday. Lovely
Knockagh wrote: Word of note to any gamers from my part of the UK, Northern Ireland. Just had an email from forge world telling me we have been reclassified as part of Western Europe and no longer part of the UK for Christmas shipping dates...... Nice. GW, accepting the UK's intellectual property tax brakes, but not the stamp service..... big applause. Oh and I didn't get my free shipping coupon with my last order that arrived on Thursday. Lovely
I'm not saying it's fair, because it's bollocks for everyone else too, but it is at least consistent; all the other parts of the UK not on the British mainland are already treated that way, and some companies(not sure about GW) even do the same for the Highlands.
Knockagh wrote: Word of note to any gamers from my part of the UK, Northern Ireland. Just had an email from forge world telling me we have been reclassified as part of Western Europe and no longer part of the UK for Christmas shipping dates...... Nice. GW, accepting the UK's intellectual property tax brakes, but not the stamp service..... big applause. Oh and I didn't get my free shipping coupon with my last order that arrived on Thursday. Lovely
How exactly is this FW's fault? The shipping dates are nothing more than a statement of "based on the average time for your post office to deliver a package this is the latest you can order and expect it to arrive in time for christmas". Nobody at FW is saying "if you order later than this we'll maliciously hold your package until we can be sure that it won't arrive before christmas", and the order dates tend to get adjusted as it gets closer to the end and FW gets a clearer idea of how long the packing and shipping process is taking. If you want to blame someone then blame your local post office for being so slow at delivering packages that FW has to say "sorry, but your average shipping times are closer to western europe than the rest of the UK".
When I got my volunteer last year I was pissed to find out it was only for orders made over the phone. I live in the north american mountain timezone, so I have to call between 4:30AM-2PM to get ahold of them. I ended up never using it because it was bs to try and redeem for me. =/
This year thow I see now they added a 2nd option for redeeming the vouchers. You can fax it to them.
If I'm making a order using a website, don't you think they could give me a coupon i can use on that very same website?!?!?!?! I can't imagen how livid any Australians might of been last year after realizing the catch for redeeming the free shipping.
Bronzefists42 wrote: Well honestly at least the FW website is actually possible to navigate.
Also they responded immediately to most of my issues through email.
GW website is newer, but it feels designed for smartphones, with PC users an afterthought.
FW website is old, but more intuitive on a PC, and I like it.
Based on their clarification of Implacable Advanced it looks like we'll be having an Age of Darkness rule set released online along with this document.
Until they run out of Legions. Then they'll start on the Venerable Contemptors.
Haven't they already stated a new dreadnought variant is in the works, and people are guessing it's the space crusade version? Wait till all the legion versions of that start coming out as well
I hope this is not true. There've been enough of these silly contemptors already and they are only like half way through...
The rep informed me that they no longer fit the current Shrike models and have been withdrawn with no stock in the warehouses etc.
He said they would need a complete reworking of the master mould and most likely wouldnt be back in stock until the summer.
I guess one could infer that GW wont be releasing official Shrike models then?
Quite a refreshing conversation tbh, he was straight down the middle and seemed quite well informed.
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Can Mechanicum Thallax be transported in vehicles, as they are Jet Pack Infantry? Both the Triaros Armoured Conveyor and the Mechanicum Land Raider can transport both Jump Pack infantry and Jet Pack infantry (meaning Thallax and Ursarax models), with the usual provisos of being Bulky, etc, and filling up the transport’s capacity.
Hang on, that means I have to buy a Triaros Armoured Conveyor now.
Where should I be looking for the free shipping voucher? I can see the picture of the sample one above the terms and conditions in my order confirmation, but I see no voucher number in the email...
Attacking from darkness with inhuman ferocity, Konrad Curze, the Night Haunter, inspires terror in the hearts of his prey and subjects alike. A vicious combatant, Konrad wrested control of his world, Nostramo, from criminals and corrupt overlords, and began a reign of terror that ensured order through fear. After taking command as their Primarch, his Legion, the Night Lords, gained a reputation for brutality and looked to bring judgment rather than deliverance to worlds reclaimed for the Emperor during the Great Crusade.
Armed with murderous, artificer-lightning claws and micro-serrated throwing blades, Konrad Curze tears through his enemies, making short work of whole units. Despite his great size he is a master of stealth and concealment, moving in darkness and stalking his target. Few men can stand to face him, and none can look on the Night Haunter and not feel the ice of fear in their hearts.
This imposing, highly detailed model depicts Konrad Curze mid-battle. His armour is decorated with trophies of an impressive number of kills, including skulls and flayed skin. His scenic display base includes the corpses of Konrad’s latest victims, a pair of Solar Auxilia warriors, one of them literally torn limb from limb.
Konrad Curze, Primarch of the Night Lords can be fielded in Night Lords Legion armies in Horus Heresy games. His rules can be found in The Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre and The Horus Heresy – Isstvan Campaign Legions.
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“It is better by far to be an object of fear than of respect, for one is a truth of the soul and the other an illusion of the mind.”
Amazing Pose, Amazing character in the model nearly all of it is outstanding and in my opinion the best one yet except just one thing....
Now, I know the Primarchs' were big dudes but, he just seems a little bit too big for what he has always been in my head. I don't really have a problem with big height, it is more how broad he is.
Still, a great model, and I imagine paint scheme may play a part.
The more of the Primarchs that get released the more I'm convinced that they'll all fit on some sort of unified display stand together that FW have planned. Very tempted to start getting them painted for me.
Great model, and looking at one picture with a Raptor besides him Kurze does not look as huge as Horus, Vulkan or Mortarion ... so everything is fine!!!
My only gripe with the Horus Heresy range is that they don't offer helmets with the Primarchs. Some of the Primarchs have really badass looking ones. I hope they give the Lion his as an option.
I like the layered plates on the thighs and wrists but the painting on that is terrible for something that is supposed to be.. well.. better than that.
The cloak I think looks terrible but I can't tell if it's just the paint job or not. Same with the bones on his left shoulderpad. I also have no idea what the dangly thing is on that same shoulder and the claws on one hand look sharp while the other does not.
I love the Night Lords so maybe I am just judging them harshly because I want them perfect but that does not look like the standard a primarch should be at to me. As well the raptor next to him seems to have lost his helmet somewhere and replaced it with one he made out of play doh so his primarch wouldn't notice.
Sorry to be negative, Kurze is absolutely NOT my mini.
Too much 40K Chaos look for me. Most uninteresting Primarch sculpt IMO so far.
Do not get me wrong, it is well executed and fits the Background, but as said it smells to much like 40K Chaos...
Skulls, Skin???
love it!!!
very much how i imagine The Night Haunter to look, though i would go darker with the scheme...
more importantly, who are the Guard minis on the base???
they look heavily armoured, with augments and mechanical bits, almost like Iron Hands PDF...
very interesting...
i can't wait for the day that someone hires me to paint this set...
i can feel it coming...
AAN wrote: Sorry to be negative, Kurze is absolutely NOT my mini.
Too much 40K Chaos look for me. Most uninteresting Primarch sculpt IMO so far.
Do not get me wrong, it is well executed and fits the Background, but as said it smells to much like 40K Chaos...
Skulls, Skin???
AAN wrote: Sorry to be negative, Kurze is absolutely NOT my mini.
Too much 40K Chaos look for me. Most uninteresting Primarch sculpt IMO so far.
Do not get me wrong, it is well executed and fits the Background, but as said it smells to much like 40K Chaos...
Skulls, Skin???
Bit underwhelmed myself. Its good sure but Curze has always been so incredibly iconic I feel it falls short. The cloak is poor, the blades are underwhelming and his hair isnt like any of the classic pics, dark, wet, stringy over his face.
Sleek and smooth but at the same time he looks utterly brutal. FW have yet to mess up with the Primarchs, and this guy is easily in the top 3, alongside Horus and Ferrus!
Where is his jump pack? And those lightning claws look naff too, the paint job on this isn't up to scratch either. That's 2 bad primarchs they have done now.
Formosa wrote: Where is his jump pack? And those lightning claws look naff too, the paint job on this isn't up to scratch either. That's 2 bad primarchs they have done now.
AAN wrote: Sorry to be negative, Kurze is absolutely NOT my mini.
Too much 40K Chaos look for me. Most uninteresting Primarch sculpt IMO so far.
Do not get me wrong, it is well executed and fits the Background, but as said it smells to much like 40K Chaos...
Skulls, Skin???
Have you... have you read anything about Kurze?
Curze and Angron were the two biggest dumpster fires among the Primarchs, and their respective miniatures communicate that pretty well IMO.
I like a lot of things going on with the Curze model.
Very nice! I think he fits his Heresy era description quite well. I'd put that model up there with Horus and Ferrus as one of the top three primarchs so far.
The amount of Horus Heresy related stuff leaves no question what these guys are up to these days and I'm loving it - sorry . Yet I doubt that the K'Dai will ever see its release and I excluded that Astral Claws Char we could see the W.I.P. of on purpose (doubt his release even more). And it's a bit weird that the Alpha Legion stuff (MK II / IV shoulder pads were release but MK III got hold back?) or the two still missing weapons for the Thallaxi are taking so long.
And the big question is: Which Primarch will come next? Maybe Corax?
Big NL player, but not a fan of Kurze. Yeah it fits the part but I am just not blow away by him. Maybe seeing the other primarchs spoiled me but I don't think he is on the same level of detail. The painting is horrible. Pose isn't bad, but that's the only think I like about it. Think I will stick with my Kabuki Kurze which was less than half the cost.
Hopefully Perturabo will be a bit better of a mini.
I feel that out of all the Primarchs (bar maybe Alpharius), Kurze deserved a helmet option the most as it really exemplified his 'Night Haunter' persona when he put the helmet on.
Anyway, I love the base and it has grown on me in the hours since I first looked at it but I can't help but feel a bit 'meh' about the whole thing. The armour bears the hallmarks of Simon Egan (reminds me of Vulkan & Horus) which is nice though
Sorry, couldn't resist. He's excellent. Looks very dynamic, pointy and stabby. And the chest plate ornament is fantastic. Konrad and Fulgrim are my favorite sculpts thus far, I think.
Might of missed it but which legion are the two dead guys on the base, the chest plate on one looks like nothing I've seen from FW and the dull grey colour scheme doesnt seem to match up with any of the legions.
Regnak wrote: I like Him, but at the same time I don't like Him.
I always pictured him more like Ryūku from Death Note..
In the novels they describe him as skinny and corpse like but model make him look to built and healthy lol
That was late heresy curze this is early heresy kurze.
But he doesn't change his appearance like Fulgrim. He stays that way until he meets his end. I don't mean I pictured him to look as demonic as the picture I included, I ment more his build, thin and palid looking..
Regnak wrote: I don't mean I pictured him to look as demonic as the picture I included, I ment more his build, thin and palid looking..
No Primarch is ever going to be THAT thin, not when wearing PA.
Ok..point taken, not THAT thin.. that was ment to be an overall impression of him.. I basically ment tall and slim. A better example would be the Fulgrim model. He's pretty slim, more so than Curze and looks more mobile. The Curze model looks too heavily armoured and the "Predator" blades are not what I expected for "Power Claws". Don't get me wrong, I still like the model and will be picking it up as I have been doing Heresy Night Lords for a while now, just wish listing I guess. I just have a feeling that the Corax model will look more like Curze than this and if that happens I will be converting away!
I'm liking the Curze model, though I think the paintjob should have been darker (to reflect the direction modern Night Lords have shown recently). That, and I was hoping for bigger claws like many others. The nice thing about going small though, is that it is much easier to convert up (giving him big claws) than it would have been to convert down (giving him smaller claws), so all-in-all I'd say it's a win.
AAN wrote: Sorry to be negative, Kurze is absolutely NOT my mini.
Too much 40K Chaos look for me. Most uninteresting Primarch sculpt IMO so far.
Do not get me wrong, it is well executed and fits the Background, but as said it smells to much like 40K Chaos...
Skulls, Skin???
Have you... have you read anything about Kurze?
All HH novel available, I still think that it is overdone...
angelofvengeance wrote: My only gripe with the Horus Heresy range is that they don't offer helmets with the Primarchs. Some of the Primarchs have really badass looking ones. I hope they give the Lion his as an option.
Helmeted versions of all primarchs will be the second wave to help shore up GW financials. Each primarch will have a slightly altered pose but have a custom helmet that exemplifies their character....except Ferrus Manus(for obvious reasons ). After these are released (circa2023) then they will begin with the fallen/demonic primarchs. Not to be outdone the goody goody two shoes primarchs will get a release as well. Then will come the "you asked for it" alternative primarchs where the good guys went bad and the bad guys stayed true to the Emperor, of course this will add another decade or two into the production lines as each chapter will need all new contemptors, relic contemptors, high definition contemptors, and sparkly princess contemptors which are the prelude to the alternate alternate universe where the Emperoress created all female primarchs, and only females can become space marines. Lawsuits will occur at this point as others in roach on GWs IP and create alternative male marines to sell to those goofy players who want to write against the narrative and try and come up with a plausible male marine chapter even though it's Anatomically impossible. True scale marines will come out after the IP wars are settled at a loss to the bottom line, but instead of changing the height of the models to make them "true scale" Mat Ward (the new CEO of GW in 2045) will have directed the design team to true scale the breasts of the female marines. The tactical squads will have 200 plus parts on the sprue, of which 170 are different sized breasts that can be glued on using only Citadel Fineglue, thus allowing "true scaled to your preference". If you are still reading at this point then my morning really wasn't wasted, but yours was. Every army needs a great enemy to fight and after the defeat of Chaos, the Eldar and their Dark cousins, womankind faces its worst nightmare, the return of the squats, signaling the end of days.
Theophony wrote: Helmeted versions of all primarchs will be the second wave to help shore up GW financials. Each primarch will have a slightly altered pose but have a custom helmet that exemplifies their character....except Ferrus Manus(for obvious reasons ). After these are released (circa2023) then they will begin with the fallen/demonic primarchs. Not to be outdone the goody goody two shoes primarchs will get a release as well. Then will come the "you asked for it" alternative primarchs where the good guys went bad and the bad guys stayed true to the Emperor, of course this will add another decade or two into the production lines as each chapter will need all new contemptors, relic contemptors, high definition contemptors, and sparkly princess contemptors which are the prelude to the alternate alternate universe where the Emperoress created all female primarchs, and only females can become space marines. Lawsuits will occur at this point as others in roach on GWs IP and create alternative male marines to sell to those goofy players who want to write against the narrative and try and come up with a plausible male marine chapter even though it's Anatomically impossible. True scale marines will come out after the IP wars are settled at a loss to the bottom line, but instead of changing the height of the models to make them "true scale" Mat Ward (the new CEO of GW in 2045) will have directed the design team to true scale the breasts of the female marines. The tactical squads will have 200 plus parts on the sprue, of which 170 are different sized breasts that can be glued on using only Citadel Fineglue, thus allowing "true scaled to your preference". If you are still reading at this point then my morning really wasn't wasted, but yours was. Every army needs a great enemy to fight and after the defeat of Chaos, the Eldar and their Dark cousins, womankind faces its worst nightmare, the return of the squats, signaling the end of days.
You had me at sparkly princess contemptors. I suspect/hope the Emperor's Children one will get a headdress like She-Ra but those sneaky Alpha Legioness Marines have a thing for fancy hats so who knows. Will the super ultra limited edition Angron come with a $50 chest add on tagged with Draigo's initials? As for true scale breast modelling, I suspect most of the current fanbase prefers heroic scale visually but obviously YMMV.
While I'm at it, here's a list of stuff that we have seen on the last couple of open days and the likes which still remains unreleased by FW:
- Book V Tempest (HH)
- Sevatar (HH)
- Thallax I-Rad Cleanser (HH)
- Thallax Plasma Fusil (HH)
- Castellax with Photon Thruster (HH)
i've been waiting for phased plasma fusil thallax for sooo long!! i almost cant take it any more - i play Ordo Reductor (MOAR THALLAX!!) and i can usually see the hate in my opponents eyes when i proxy the 'sarges' as the plasma-weilders.
at least someone else has noticed.
Okay...I'm a bit of a negative Nancy myself, but really? Horrible? I can see an argument being made for him needing to be painted a darker blue (even though he looks sufficiently dark in the video), but I see nothing wrong with that paint job otherwise.
This is why people don't paint their models, because they see the scathing, unwarranted criticism that models with perfectly decent paint jobs receive, because the painter dared to do anything less than the highest possible competition-level standard in the industry, and they ask themselves "Why bother?" Not only do your models look better unpainted but they'll be worth more on the secondary market when you inevitably have to sell them later, whenever GW finally prices you out of the HHHobby.
Of course I'm sure some will argue that, as a product showcase, anything less than the highest possible standard in painting isn't good enough to properly showcase the product and entice people to buy...even though the product comes unpainted and your decision to buy or not buy should be made entirely on the quality of the sculpt and the price being set for it, but you know...
Theophony wrote: True scale marines will come out after the IP wars are settled at a loss to the bottom line, but instead of changing the height of the models to make them "true scale" Mat Ward (the new CEO of GW in 2045) will have directed the design team to true scale the breasts of the female marines.
Yes, I knew it! I knew Mat Ward would someday return, in our darkest hour, and lay rightful claim to the crown, just as the prophecy foretold!
Theophony wrote: Helmeted versions of all primarchs will be the second wave to help shore up GW financials. Each primarch will have a slightly altered pose but have a custom helmet that exemplifies their character....except Ferrus Manus(for obvious reasons ). After these are released (circa2023) then they will begin with the fallen/demonic primarchs. Not to be outdone the goody goody two shoes primarchs will get a release as well. Then will come the "you asked for it" alternative primarchs where the good guys went bad and the bad guys stayed true to the Emperor, of course this will add another decade or two into the production lines as each chapter will need all new contemptors, relic contemptors, high definition contemptors, and sparkly princess contemptors which are the prelude to the alternate alternate universe where the Emperoress created all female primarchs, and only females can become space marines. Lawsuits will occur at this point as others in roach on GWs IP and create alternative male marines to sell to those goofy players who want to write against the narrative and try and come up with a plausible male marine chapter even though it's Anatomically impossible. True scale marines will come out after the IP wars are settled at a loss to the bottom line, but instead of changing the height of the models to make them "true scale" Mat Ward (the new CEO of GW in 2045) will have directed the design team to true scale the breasts of the female marines. The tactical squads will have 200 plus parts on the sprue, of which 170 are different sized breasts that can be glued on using only Citadel Fineglue, thus allowing "true scaled to your preference". If you are still reading at this point then my morning really wasn't wasted, but yours was. Every army needs a great enemy to fight and after the defeat of Chaos, the Eldar and their Dark cousins, womankind faces its worst nightmare, the return of the squats, signaling the end of days.
Ordered me a Veletaris Storm Section, they'll make for a fun once in a blue moon unit I'll throw into games as either storm troopers, or thanks to the Solar Auxiliary army list, the personal guard of a Rogue Trader.
Theophony wrote: Helmeted versions of all primarchs will be the second wave to help shore up GW financials. Each primarch will have a slightly altered pose but have a custom helmet that exemplifies their character....except Ferrus Manus(for obvious reasons ). After these are released (circa2023) then they will begin with the fallen/demonic primarchs. Not to be outdone the goody goody two shoes primarchs will get a release as well. Then will come the "you asked for it" alternative primarchs where the good guys went bad and the bad guys stayed true to the Emperor, of course this will add another decade or two into the production lines as each chapter will need all new contemptors, relic contemptors, high definition contemptors, and sparkly princess contemptors which are the prelude to the alternate alternate universe where the Emperoress created all female primarchs, and only females can become space marines. Lawsuits will occur at this point as others in roach on GWs IP and create alternative male marines to sell to those goofy players who want to write against the narrative and try and come up with a plausible male marine chapter even though it's Anatomically impossible. True scale marines will come out after the IP wars are settled at a loss to the bottom line, but instead of changing the height of the models to make them "true scale" Mat Ward (the new CEO of GW in 2045) will have directed the design team to true scale the breasts of the female marines. The tactical squads will have 200 plus parts on the sprue, of which 170 are different sized breasts that can be glued on using only Citadel Fineglue, thus allowing "true scaled to your preference". If you are still reading at this point then my morning really wasn't wasted, but yours was. Every army needs a great enemy to fight and after the defeat of Chaos, the Eldar and their Dark cousins, womankind faces its worst nightmare, the return of the squats, signaling the end of days.
Theo, I don't know what worries me more...
The fact that you went to all this trouble -
OR the fact that some of this is actually plausible...
If anyone gets the Curze model, can you post a pic of the parts here on dakka? I'm curious about the parts breakdown and the conversion potential for the model. It looks like the back cape will probably be a separate piece but I'm not sure about the front cloth/flayed skin.
Ashiraya wrote: The paintjob does not do the face justice IMO. It's far better than it first seemed.
Yeah, the paintjob also botched the details on his leg. The painted version doesn't even look like it has fine detail on the legs, just a flat hand painted item.
I really like the model--he's perched high up, as though he's just withdrawn from combat and is ready to pounce back on top of someone. I think the "Predator" claws are very cool--definitely evocative of evisceration or maiming, which has clearly just happened to that Solar Auxilia trooper. I also like the size difference between him and Vulkan or Horus, and he does not look that much bigger than the other Night Lord.
I don't love the paint job either; I think it should be darker like some others. I also don't like the gold part of the ruined structure where it looks like it should be rock; I would want the base to be darker, too, with him shadowy and blending into it a bit if possible. The only think I am missing is more emphasis on the throwing knives. It looks like there is one attached to his shoulder pad (maybe?) but I would like a little string of them on his waist or something, since he's got no ranged weapon.
I don't own any of the Primarch models (waiting for Sanguinius and the Lion) but this one to me is the coolest since the original Angron. Maybe it's just the appeal of such a damaged and torn character, but I think the model is threatening, fits the backstory and tactics, and it definitely appeals to me. If I didn't abhor the "bad guys" in 40k, I'd be very tempted by these Night Lords.
I think he has a great head sculpt. I'm actually glad they didn't put on a helmet for several reasons. Primarchs are for alot of people not just game models but display pieces and visual centerpoints of their armies and a bare head helps in that regard. The second one that comes to mind is those god awful bat wing helmets the nightlords got back in 3rd edition. The potential for screwing up the model with a ridiculous hat that would make an Alpha Legionairre cringe and look like it came straight out of the 1960's Adam West Batman tv show is quite high even for forgeworld.
With modern design, I doubt they'd just go with the silly batwings. That's like saying they should never have made Daemon Angron because his model in Epic was ludicrous.
Being a display piece has nothing to do with whether or not they include a helmet (especially when it's an option), because it's entirely aesthetic preference. I very much like people in armour to wear helmets, and helmets absolutely can be cool and just as distinct, if not more distinct, than a face.
It was to my understanding that Kurze never wore a helmet. He preferred his own snarling visage. He often wore an adamantium crown which would've been awesome to see.
farmersboy wrote: It's a nice figure, but my first thought on seeing the painted one was the same as many others I think - "he's not exactly midnight clad is he?"
I'm sure someone's going to do a better paint job on him soon.
TBH I'm not really looking forward to Corax. He looks ridiculous with that jump pack (at least from the artwork I've seen) and he has an awful hairstyle lol. Looks like some sort of 70s reject.
farmersboy wrote: It's a nice figure, but my first thought on seeing the painted one was the same as many others I think - "he's not exactly midnight clad is he?"
I'm sure someone's going to do a better paint job on him soon.
TBH I'm not really looking forward to Corax. He looks ridiculous with that jump pack (at least from the artwork I've seen) and he has an awful hairstyle lol. Looks like some sort of 70s reject.
The Raven Guard have a Native American influence, like Space Wolves and their Nordic influences, Ultramaines and greco roman.
I quite like coraxs depictions. For my 40k captain. I used an anvil industry head very similar to coraxs long hair.
farmersboy wrote: It's a nice figure, but my first thought on seeing the painted one was the same as many others I think - "he's not exactly midnight clad is he?"
I'm sure someone's going to do a better paint job on him soon.
TBH I'm not really looking forward to Corax. He looks ridiculous with that jump pack (at least from the artwork I've seen) and he has an awful hairstyle lol. Looks like some sort of 70s reject.
The Raven Guard have a Native American influence, like Space Wolves and their Nordic influences, Ultramaines and greco roman.
I quite like coraxs depictions. For my 40k captain. I used an anvil industry head very similar to coraxs long hair.
I thought they changed that to be more Pacific Islander influences in the fluff. Hence the space sharks and ritual/tribal tattoos.
Corax literally gutted Lorgar and severed his spine, then went toe to toe with Konrad Kurze and lived.
So, yeah. badass/
That was runt Logar though, the one that everybody stole the lunch money from! I'm hopeful we'll see one more then Guilliman, i think all the UM stuff will be out quickly after the launch of HH 5.
You all do realise that the XIXth -NEVER- had a native american cultural tint in any official fluff right? It's completely derrived from the fanbase.
Also, concider the fluff. Prison-moon colony, children born prisoners.. The Raven Guard has always been Aussies!
The Deathwing (40k) did however have a distinct native american flavour for much of 3d/4th/5th ed. that (thankfully) have been supressed heavily and as good as extinguished in todays miniatures and publications, it was always an ill-fit with the 1st legion.
Also, the Aboriginal / Maori / South Pacific mish-mash that forms the expanded cultural basis for the Ravens is awsome and lends distinction and great painting-opportunities.
You all do realise that the XIXth -NEVER- had a native american cultural tint in any official fluff right? It's completely derrived from the fanbase.
[...]
Also, the Aboriginal / Maori / South Pacific mish-mash that forms the expanded cultural basis for the Ravens is awsome and lends distinction and great painting-opportunities.
Pfft. Native American... Aboriginal/Maori... Same difference.
You all do realise that the XIXth -NEVER- had a native american cultural tint in any official fluff right? It's completely derrived from the fanbase.
[...]
Also, the Aboriginal / Maori / South Pacific mish-mash that forms the expanded cultural basis for the Ravens is awsome and lends distinction and great painting-opportunities.
Pfft. Native American... Aboriginal/Maori... Same difference.
The Deathwing (40k) did however have a distinct native american flavour for much of 3d/4th/5th ed. that (thankfully) have been supressed heavily and as good as extinguished in todays miniatures and publications, it was always an ill-fit with the 1st legion.
I actually liked the Native American influence in the Deathwing (which originates from the fluff in the 1st edition Space Hulk expansion 'Deathwing'). I'm not sure why it's an ill-fit. I plan to convert my Deathwing terminators to showcase that. I figure some of the space wolf heads and marauder horsemen heads would work with a bit of converting/minor sculpting.
They can retcon all they want, that doesn't change the fact that the fluff in that expansion explains why the Death Company have white armor, instead of the original First Legion color's (Black).
One of my favorite illustrations in that book was the three helmet-less terminators walking down that narrow hive city street.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On a more Forgeworld related note...with the massively insane prices on these primarch model kits, I won't be considering a purchase until we see Lion El Johnson, Russ or Sanguinius.
You all do realise that the XIXth -NEVER- had a native american cultural tint in any official fluff right? It's completely derrived from the fanbase.
[...]
Also, the Aboriginal / Maori / South Pacific mish-mash that forms the expanded cultural basis for the Ravens is awsome and lends distinction and great painting-opportunities.
Pfft. Native American... Aboriginal/Maori... Same difference.
Not really even close!
Some limeys just can't keep all those ex-colonials straight! New Jersey... New Zealand... what's the difference?
Frozen Ocean wrote: With modern design, I doubt they'd just go with the silly batwings. That's like saying they should never have made Daemon Angron because his model in Epic was ludicrous..
Everything back then was ludicrous.
It's why I chuckle when people try to rationalize the actions of a guy named Angron, daemon primarch of the Chaos god of being really angry, or Mortarion, daemon prince of the Chaos god of death decay and disease who wears a hooded robe and carries a scythe. These are cartoon characters. I don't care how good you think ADB is as a wwriter, Angron still doesn't make any sense because he's flatter than three day old soda water as a character.
The Deathwing (40k) did however have a distinct native american flavour for much of 3d/4th/5th ed. that (thankfully) have been supressed heavily and as good as extinguished in todays miniatures and publications, it was always an ill-fit with the 1st legion.
I actually liked the Native American influence in the Deathwing (which originates from the fluff in the 1st edition Space Hulk expansion 'Deathwing'). I'm not sure why it's an ill-fit. I plan to convert my Deathwing terminators to showcase that. I figure some of the space wolf heads and marauder horsemen heads would work with a bit of converting/minor sculpting.
They can retcon all they want, that doesn't change the fact that the fluff in that expansion explains why the Death Company have white armor, instead of the original First Legion color's (Black).
One of my favorite illustrations in that book was the three helmet-less terminators walking down that narrow hive city street.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On a more Forgeworld related note...with the massively insane prices on these primarch model kits, I won't be considering a purchase until we see Lion El Johnson, Russ or Sanguinius.
I'm not saying that they are cheap, but they aren't much more than a new land raider. They have more cool factor than one as well though.
Frozen Ocean wrote: With modern design, I doubt they'd just go with the silly batwings. That's like saying they should never have made Daemon Angron because his model in Epic was ludicrous..
Everything back then was ludicrous.
It's why I chuckle when people try to rationalize the actions of a guy named Angron, daemon primarch of the Chaos god of being really angry, or Mortarion, daemon prince of the Chaos god of death decay and disease who wears a hooded robe and carries a scythe. These are cartoon characters. I don't care how good you think ADB is as a wwriter, Angron still doesn't make any sense because he's flatter than three day old soda water as a character.
That was my point. Things being silly then doesn't mean that the re-imagining has to be silly. I've never read ADB, but I do know that all of the Primarchs have the personality of extremely petty 13 year olds. That doesn't mean the models aren't allowed to be cool, though.
Frozen Ocean wrote: With modern design, I doubt they'd just go with the silly batwings. That's like saying they should never have made Daemon Angron because his model in Epic was ludicrous..
Everything back then was ludicrous.
It's why I chuckle when people try to rationalize the actions of a guy named Angron, daemon primarch of the Chaos god of being really angry, or Mortarion, daemon prince of the Chaos god of death decay and disease who wears a hooded robe and carries a scythe. These are cartoon characters. I don't care how good you think ADB is as a wwriter, Angron still doesn't make any sense because he's flatter than three day old soda water as a character.
That was my point. Things being silly then doesn't mean that the re-imagining has to be silly. I've never read ADB, but I do know that all of the Primarchs have the personality of extremely petty 13 year olds. That doesn't mean the models aren't allowed to be cool, though.
You guys are aware the Primarch names existed long before the HH series right? I am eagerly waiting for Russ
Some of the legions had other names prior to meeting with their primarchs. The Death Guard were at first the Dusk Raiders, Word Bearers were the Imperial Heralds and the World Eaters were first the War Hounds.
Well, the primarchs (but the weren't primarchs quite yet) or at least their names pop up for the first time in WH40K Rogue Trader, released in 1987. The first mestion of the horus heresy is from the game Adeptus Titanicus released in 1988, the precursor of Epic 40k, that was set in the era of the Heresy and featured exclusive warlord-on-warlord titan action though subsequent releases in white dwarf and other publications added a range of units and other factions.
The paint on that thing is beautiful. Very subtle blue and green transitions. Looks deceptively simple, but I'm sure there's a fair few steps involved. Transparent glazes over a metallic basecoat? Tinted metallic medium? Not easy to pull off at this scale since metallic pigments can be "chunky". The rest of the paint is very stark with almost no extraneous colors. Takes a bit of courage and confidence to choose a scheme like this.
If I had to speculate, yes - something like the Minitaire Ghost Tints, or some other candy colours, airbrushed over a bright silver base.
It could, of course, have been achieved with conventional brush and ordinary paints, but I'm fairly confident that you'd get a reasonable approximation with the above for mere mortals.
Fango wrote: Why is there not a Dark Angels Contemptor yet? As far as I can recall, they were the First Legion....and were definitely around during the Heresy...
Well, Forgeworld produced 4 Horus Heresy Books and no one featured the Dark Angels. They now have made Contemptors for the 12 Legions which were featured in the books as well.
TyraelVladinhurst wrote: *shrugs* Still waiting on Imperial Army Bikes and Jetbikes and the Vanus Temple, Venenum Temple, and Assassin special Characters
TyraelVladinhurst wrote: *shrugs* Still waiting on Imperial Army Bikes and Jetbikes and the Vanus Temple, Venenum Temple, and Assassin special Characters
I'm sure you'll all be glad to know that there is still time to order FW stuff for Christmas delivery!
Just thought I'd let everyne know, because it isn't like FW are sending out multiple emails a day to tell everyone.
Oh, pfft! Forget that. I want the important information: How many Ltd. Ed. Conquests have they got left in stock???
TyraelVladinhurst wrote: *shrugs* Still waiting on Imperial Army Bikes and Jetbikes and the Vanus Temple, Venenum Temple, and Assassin special Characters
Wait, wait, wait. Vanus? I don't think Vanus assassins ever see the field of battle. They're information warriors.
ALPHA LEGION
1.AIRBRUSH WITH THINNED LEAD BELCHER/ IRON BREAKER (50/50 MIX)
2.AIRBRUSH FROM TOP OF MODEL WITH THINNED RUNFANG STEEL
3.MIX A LITTLE TAMIYA CLEAR GREEN WITH TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE (25/75 MIX) AND AIRBRUSH OVER THE MODEL IN 2 COATS
4.AIRBRUSH ARMOUR PANELS WITH TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE. BLENDING FROM MIDDLE OF FIGURE DOWN, SO THE STRONGEST BLUE COLOUR IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PANNELS
5.AIRBRUSH FROM THE MIDDLE UPWARDS WITH TAMIYA CLEAR GREEN
6.USING AN AIRBRUSH BLEND A HIGHLIGHT ON THE HIGHEST PANNELS (HEAD, SHOULDER PADS, TOP OF BACKPACK) WITH RUNEFANG STEEL WITH A TINY AMOUNT OF LOTHERN BLUE, EXTREMELY THINNED DOWN.
7.APPLY THINNED COAT OF TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE OVER THE HIGHLIGHT AND BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
8.USING A BLUE GLAZE, DRAG DOWN THE WHOLE MODEL ALLOWING ITTO SETTLE IN THE DEEPEST AREAS.
SILVER – BASECOAT WITH LEADBELCHER
WASH WITH NULN OIL
HIGHLIGHT WITH LEADBELCHER IN STRIKING MOTIONS TO CREATED CHIPPED AND WEATHER APPEARANCE
HIGHLIGHT WITH IRONBREAKER
I find it a bit odd they posted painting guides for the legions in the first book, but none of the others, but will happily let you know how they painted them (though in ALL CAPS BECAUSE THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS) via email.
I suspect mother hen GW didn't like the idea of free painting schemes while they charge $5 for one model's painting guide.
I have no idea what your talking about, forge world only use gw paints and washes, you must have imagined it when your crops were failing and all the first born died, now move along before I release the frogs
SonofTerra wrote: ALPHA LEGION
1.AIRBRUSH WITH THINNED LEAD BELCHER/ IRON BREAKER (50/50 MIX)
2.AIRBRUSH FROM TOP OF MODEL WITH THINNED RUNFANG STEEL
3.MIX A LITTLE TAMIYA CLEAR GREEN WITH TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE (25/75 MIX) AND AIRBRUSH OVER THE MODEL IN 2 COATS
4.AIRBRUSH ARMOUR PANELS WITH TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE. BLENDING FROM MIDDLE OF FIGURE DOWN, SO THE STRONGEST BLUE COLOUR IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PANNELS
5.AIRBRUSH FROM THE MIDDLE UPWARDS WITH TAMIYA CLEAR GREEN
6.USING AN AIRBRUSH BLEND A HIGHLIGHT ON THE HIGHEST PANNELS (HEAD, SHOULDER PADS, TOP OF BACKPACK) WITH RUNEFANG STEEL WITH A TINY AMOUNT OF LOTHERN BLUE, EXTREMELY THINNED DOWN.
7.APPLY THINNED COAT OF TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE OVER THE HIGHLIGHT AND BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
8.USING A BLUE GLAZE, DRAG DOWN THE WHOLE MODEL ALLOWING ITTO SETTLE IN THE DEEPEST AREAS.
SILVER – BASECOAT WITH LEADBELCHER
WASH WITH NULN OIL
HIGHLIGHT WITH LEADBELCHER IN STRIKING MOTIONS TO CREATED CHIPPED AND WEATHER APPEARANCE
HIGHLIGHT WITH IRONBREAKER
Nice to see that CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT finally got that job in FW customer service.
Alpharius wrote: And feel free to then post the details here - thanks!
Yeah, I want to see that. Reading "Legion" left me thinking that I could do Alpha Legion as well as Salamanders in 30k, while I wait for the Thousand Sons.
Edit to add:
That was quick. It IS a lovely scheme, although I also want to do up some test schemes in the more purplish armor before I make a final decision.
Anyone else feeling rather harassed by the sheer volume of emails coming from FW the last few days??? I love my Forge World and enjoy the email updates butttttt it's a little bit much at the moment, my order went in some time ago!
Knockagh wrote: Anyone else feeling rather harassed by the sheer volume of emails coming from FW the last few days??? I love my Forge World and enjoy the email updates butttttt it's a little bit much at the moment, my order went in some time ago!
Yeah, I posted to similar effect a few days ago.
There's a fine line between keeping yourself in your customers thoughts, and coming off a little desperate.
I think we've more or less reached the end of the line for the spam, seeing as aside from the UK, ROW can now no longer reliably order in time for Christmas.
Forge world sent me fourteen emails this month, and it's 17th today (I'm sure I'll get #15 later). What a disgusting business practice, I used to quite like them, didn't buy much but nice pics. I certainly won't be buying anything in the future, and I hope to God my unsub goes through before the next dozen mails in the dozen days left of 2014.
He never said it was remarkable. He said it was melodramatic. And he's right. You sound like a child.
I don't really get how it's a disgusting business practice. They're just trying to keep their fanbase up to date with what's going on. Sure it might be a little inconvenient to have to keep sifting through or deleting emails (maybe even a little annoying after a while). But disgusting? That's a bit harsh.
I'm annoyed that they've sent me an email every day of this month trying to sell me stuff. I think equating my annoyance with childishness is 'a bit harsh', and I'd also define the most melodramatic reaction to anything, trivial or consequential, as remarkable, but you're free to disagree. Replace 'disgusting' with 'shoddy as feth' if you like, I'm still disgusted though.
I can see how it would be a bit annoying, but then my email conveniently sorts promotional emails into a different inbox. Maybe just using available tech is the solution, I haven't been bothered by the email spam at all, except initially being a little disappointed by the lack of actual content waaay back when they started. IMO, it is worth a couple of seconds to glance at my promotional inbox and see if anything is interesting to read, to get the occasional awesome emails with a Primarch or something in.
When I sign up to a Newsletter, I expect it to contain...well, News.
Not the same ads for the same products and events every day of the week. Theres, at best, just one email a week that actually contains some info or a new release that I haven't yet seen.
In other news non-related to email spamming, how long does it take for a package to get to America durning the Holiday seasons? I placed my order on November 28, which is way before the cut off to get my package before Christmas, and it shipped December 1. My package is still not here and I'm beginning to get worried.
Ruberu wrote: In other news non-related to email spamming, how long does it take for a package to get to America durning the Holiday seasons? I placed my order on November 28, which is way before the cut off to get my package before Christmas, and it shipped December 1. My package is still not here and I'm beginning to get worried.
Mine take about two weeks during "normal" shipping times, so 17 days during the holiday season doesn't sound too unreasonable. When I've had late/missing packages in the past they've said that after 30 days it's assumed to have been lost. But when one didn't arrive after 30 days they sent a new one out without question, so even if you don't get a FW box under your tree you'll get it eventually.
Yea can't remember who but someone had a late order called FW they send a replacement then like a month later the original arrived with a slightly damaged box. They said to keep both.
Both sets repackaged into units of ten for £35. I think FW realised that having weak units, that cost almost a £1 a point don't sell very well and it'd probably be a good idea to make them cheaper...
Also looks like they're clearing out Imperial Armour 8:
Long overdue, I went with Anvil's robots as the FW ones were too expensive. Wonder if they'll give a refund or voucher for anybody that brought them at the old price? I know when I've phoned in the past when a bundle came out for recent separate purchases of mine they wouldn't issue a refund of the difference.
Ooh that counts as necrons army just got a little more tempting, they really were silly levels of expensive before, still hardly what one could call cheap but at least they're not entirely change resistant.
Snrub wrote: I'm looking at all the HH marines and I'm a little confused.
What's the difference between the Legion and non-legion squads?
For example. What's the difference between this squad and this squad.
I'll be buggered if I can find the difference.
The legion ones have things like the early Imperial lightning bolts and distinctly lack Aquilas, whereas the non-Legion ones have more 40k suited little details, aquilas and such but not lightning bolts or other such things, as well as different posing. Basically just more options.
, white scars need them 
