I'm with several people here. That is a very heavily armed transport. I wonder how much the different weapon options reduce the transport capacity by? I'd imagine it's different for the las cannon and the demolished Cannon, but that may just be wishful thinking.
One of the great things about Warhammer Fest was that the team from the Forge World Studio got a chance to meet all of you there and chat about the hobby. The designers, writers and artists spent the whole weekend talking about what they’re working on and how they do it.
The Forge World Studio team were at Warhammer Fest en masse.
Neil Cook from the Forge World Studio couldn’t wait to meet a real Space Marine!
Another great thing at Warhammer Fest, and one so many of you who were there have told us you loved, was the demonstration pods, where throughout the weekend, the Forge World Studio guys provided hundreds of hobbyists with advice on painting and gaming.
Mark Bedford gave advice on painting Forge World armies…
…and Andy Hoare discussed how to collect and play games using Horus Heresy armies.
You may have seen something of the new army Forge World has just launched – the Solar Auxilia. The Lasrifle Section, Dracosan Armoured Transport and Tank Crew are all up for pre-order now, and there’s loads more to come! I managed to get hold of a few of the fantastic models from the upcoming Solar Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section – volkite charger-toting veterans clad in reinforced armour. Take a look…
Sergeant and troops from the Solar Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Couple of bits of forgeworld news gained from MCM yesterday.
1) warhammer forge is not dead, just sleeping, there are 2 sculptors that they employ for warhammer forge, these guys have been temporarily for another project (see 2), while this other project is ongoing the warhammer forge push has been scaled back considerably, some of the gone kits might be back after the big thing and they will start pushing the warhammer forge marque again sometime in the future.
2) the Big thing, forgeworld have something HUGE planned for heresy, after book 4, which is what they have all the sculptors and rules guys working on, once this has come and gone we should see a resurgence in warhammer forge and IA books (they were considering one of each a year, for IA and HH with WF slightly less often).
3) No timescale on blood angels or dark angels, which suggests that neither are part of the big thing, but I was told that when they both get done it will be done in a BIG way with a lot of material and books in very short order.
4) Heresy weekender will be earlier this year, some time in feb.
Sirius42 wrote: 2) the Big thing, forgeworld have something HUGE planned for heresy, after book 4, which is what they have all the sculptors and rules guys working on, once this has come and gone we should see a resurgence in warhammer forge and IA books (they were considering one of each a year, for IA and HH with WF slightly less often).
At Warhammer fest someone asked about daemons during the heresy, and Alan said something like that they would do 'different' daemons because there were so many Kinds/Types?
So maybe this is what's happening? The warhammer gribblie sculptures being pulled into the new project??
reading between the lines I wouldn't read this as new Gods! I think it means a wider range of units for the ones that exist.
Someone else might remember exactly what he said??
I honestly do not know, all they told me was that it was big enough to require their entire workforce (oh and it'll be some time in the next year or so)
Dimrill wrote: I'll hazard a guess that the big thing is daemon Primarchs.
For Angron, maybe. It sure looked like Calth/Shadow Crusade is up next, from all the UM and WB artwork. It said that rules guys were involved, so maybe it's some new scenarios or ways to play related to the Shadow Crusade, along the lines of how Book 3 had the Tactical Strike and Blood in the Void rules.
Issue being that as "big thing" could very well be daemons, bur wouldnt that involve the blood angels on signus prime which they have stated arent involved in the big thing. Other than that maybe some HH aliens to represent minor skirmishes throughout the heresy?
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Sergeant and troops from the Solar Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section.
Give them shotguns and you have perfect 40k-era naval armsmen in voidsuits. Bound to be pricey though....
Melcavuk wrote: Other than that maybe some HH aliens to represent minor skirmishes throughout the heresy?
Minor alien races would be interesting, but it seems unlikely given that at the moment there are enough minor xenos factions lurking in the 40K background to give them their own codex, and neither GW for FW have ever shown any inclination in that direction.
Melcavuk wrote: Issue being that as "big thing" could very well be daemons, bur wouldnt that involve the blood angels on signus prime which they have stated arent involved in the big thing. Other than that maybe some HH aliens to represent minor skirmishes throughout the heresy?
FW have stated many times that they see hh as man vs. Man while 40k is man vs. Alien so I'd put that as unlikely.
They've said that the destruction of prospero is a massive undertaking so that would get my vote.
Sirius42 wrote: I honestly do not know, all they told me was that it was big enough to require their entire workforce (oh and it'll be some time in the next year or so)
Huge plus requiring a lot of people? I'm going to guess Warlord Titan plus Mechanicum/Dark Mechanicum as their own army list (like Legio Astartes got a minimal fluff codex for their army list)
I'm not a fan of the whole 1930's pulp Buck Rogers thing FW is going for with certain HH products but I do have to admit the retractable helmet on the auxilla looks cool.
I am liking the auxilia, but I must say I'm more inclined to see the more tradtional crusade-era Army troops with the shakos, breastplates and the like, ala
If the big project is Prospero Burns, and they need to do Russ, you'd think that they'll include Freki and Geri? Theres a job for someone who does monsters (Trish Carden?).
It wouldn't make financial sense for the 'big' project to be a large model. You can't dedicate your whole team to a project that is going to produce a high grade model that whilst will generate a lot of profit per unit, at the end of the day will not sell many units. If Forgeworld ever do do a Warlord Titan, it will be a one man job mostly from start to finish.
Now that's out the way... Prospero is the only considerably huge project on the horizon, considering the amount of factions and flavour those factions have. In which case the rather 'huge' part of the project could be the massive red cyclops that will arrive with it.
So, along with speculation on the HH event, what happened to that Rumor about IA 14 and the Tau? That's kinda dropped off the radar and I'm curious about what happened to it, did it die?
Q0rbin wrote: Anyone who has the new IA13 and dare to share the new rules for hellblade and helltalon?
Have ordered the book but i hasn't arrived yet.
Don't have the book on me at the moment, but basically (and without giving away all the stats)..
- Hell Blade is the same in terms of stats/HP, but 15pts less
- Loses Agility, keeps Supersonic
- Gains preferred enemy against a single enemy Flyer or FMC nominated at the start of the game
- Can phase-shift D6" in any direction before it moves, but must end facing the same way.
- Can pay 15pts to upgrade it's two TL Reaper Autocannons to two TL Heavy 3 Rending Autocannons
Q0rbin wrote: Anyone who has the new IA13 and dare to share the new rules for hellblade and helltalon?
Have ordered the book but i hasn't arrived yet.
Don't have the book on me at the moment, but basically (and without giving away all the stats)..
- Hell Blade is the same in terms of stats/HP, but 15pts less
- Loses Agility, keeps Supersonic
- Gains preferred enemy against a single enemy Flyer or FMC nominated at the start of the game
- Can phase-shift D6" in any direction before it moves, but must end facing the same way.
- Can pay 15pts to upgrade it's two TL Reaper Autocannons to two TL Heavy 3 Rending Autocannons
its not going to happen but the amount of space battles in the horus heresy and their popularity? might warrant BFG:the horus heresy? other than that its daemons/daemonic primarchs and or proper dark mechanicus
Sirius42 wrote:I honestly do not know, all they told me was that it was big enough to require their entire workforce (oh and it'll be some time in the next year or so)
There was talk about a large flyer ^ back a ways
gorgon wrote:
Dimrill wrote: I'll hazard a guess that the big thing is daemon Primarchs.
For Angron, maybe. It sure looked like Calth/Shadow Crusade is up next, from all the UM and WB artwork. It said that rules guys were involved, so maybe it's some new scenarios or ways to play related to the Shadow Crusade, along the lines of how Book 3 had the Tactical Strike and Blood in the Void rules.
Still too early for them to go full Deamon it don't happen till they start going to or are on the way to Terra
MajorWesJanson wrote:
Sirius42 wrote: I honestly do not know, all they told me was that it was big enough to require their entire workforce (oh and it'll be some time in the next year or so)
Huge plus requiring a lot of people? I'm going to guess Warlord Titan plus Mechanicum/Dark Mechanicum as their own army list (like Legio Astartes got a minimal fluff codex for their army list)
Someone is working on a Warlord I doubt we will see it till ether a Mechanicus V Dark Mechanicus fight or the Siege of Terra
Madocyw wrote:If the big project is Prospero Burns, and they need to do Russ, you'd think that they'll include Freki and Geri? Theres a job for someone who does monsters (Trish Carden?).
I hope she stays away from them
kronk wrote:I want the "big #2" thingy to be this diorama or something:
Or just the Emperor. You know, hanging out and stuff.
The scale of each is off Magnus is supposed to be larger than Horus in Terminator Armor and Russ and Mortorian are supposed to be taller as well.
Magnus looks like the Kool Aid man, you can't even see short Mortarion properly, Horus looks like a Dilbert character, Khan is not proportioned correctly and Angron looks like and angry elf bending down to take a dump (out of frame of course)
FW is doing an infinitely better job with making these guys threatening (especially Angron who up until recently has had pretty bad HH designs.)
Just hurry up and release it! We know it's coming in a slipcase for the first few thousand copies but do we know if it is coming in a big slipcase like book 3 or an individual slipcase?
Battles of the Cyclops Cluster, Siege of Mezoa, Conquest of Manachea, and Defense of Agathon.
Some of these events are referenced in victory honours on a Black Legion Spartan in Imperial Armour 13, so I'm looking forward to what shenanigans my Sons of Horus get up to in the book!
Has there been any word on the general IA13 release?
I'm making the first pilgramage to Warhammer World in a couple of weeks. Desperate to pick it up. Any chance you think?
I'd imagine it would be out by then, the limited edition has sold out so would be surprising if the generic book wasn't up for release very soon
Looky Likey wrote: Just hurry up and release it! We know it's coming in a slipcase for the first few thousand copies but do we know if it is coming in a big slipcase like book 3 or an individual slipcase?
At the HH Weekender people mentioned that it was possibly a 'stand alone' 'one off' book compared to the Isstvan Trilogy. My guess is that it will be in a slip case just for Book IV: Conquest
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It seems like the peeps over at Forgeworld live in the Dark Age of Technology. I wouldn't mind if you had to place an order with the voucher via carrier pigeon service though
Living on the west side of North America, I was never able to redeem the shipping since you have to call in a order to use it. Time zones just made that to hard.
Sirius42 wrote:I honestly do not know, all they told me was that it was big enough to require their entire workforce (oh and it'll be some time in the next year or so)
There was talk about a large flyer ^ back a ways
gorgon wrote:
Dimrill wrote: I'll hazard a guess that the big thing is daemon Primarchs.
For Angron, maybe. It sure looked like Calth/Shadow Crusade is up next, from all the UM and WB artwork. It said that rules guys were involved, so maybe it's some new scenarios or ways to play related to the Shadow Crusade, along the lines of how Book 3 had the Tactical Strike and Blood in the Void rules.
Still too early for them to go full Deamon it don't happen till they start going to or are on the way to Terra
I'm just going to buy a £11 upgrade kit for my HH Death Guard & then, hopefully, splash out on some mechanicum stuff.
Also looking to get a 40KBA army started so I'm going to have to figure out how to split my cash!
Well, I could buy something relatively small, then order a larger model and use the voucher, but I'm not convinced it would save me the cash I'd have to spend on the international phone call. The one time I resolved a miscast piece over the phone, I could have just bought the bit again!
Seriously. How about free shipping with every order delivered by telegram? Can we get audio dramas on wax cylinders?
I protest too much, as free shipping is free shipping, but it does seem deliberately obtuse.
It seems like the peeps over at Forgeworld live in the Dark Age of Technology. I wouldn't mind if you had to place an order with the voucher via carrier pigeon service though
So my buddy and I (posts here as "The Shrike") were in England around April of this year. We of course made a stop off at Warhammer world. What we didn't think about because neither of us has a religious bone in our body was that it was Good Friday when we went there. Anyway, while the store was closing early I still attempted to buy some FW items. GW informed me that they couldn't sell me FW on a bank holiday because it was a "same day delivery" and they can't do that on a Bank Holiday. This is despite the fact the items I wanted were literally in a bucket/basket right behind the clerk. They ultimately offered me free shipping to the US when I explained a dozen times that I was in Nottingham for one day. In order to place my order, they literally went onto the FW website, ordered as if ordering from the web, and then copy-pasta'd the order before hitting confirm and sent it through g-mail to their own inbox.
Needless to say, I'm not left with much faith that they could build an online order code system.
I've never heard of the limit on selling stuff over the counter on bank holiday, many shops are open on holidays in the UK and trade as normal albeit with reduced hours, and whilst I've never been to warhammer world I assumed their "shop" there was effectively a shop and not an instore mail order service.
Vorax class Battle-automata are hunter-killer units, their design based on an ancient template pattern said to date back to the Dark Age of Technology. Created on pre-Imperial Mars to fulfil the roles both of search and destroy weapon and exterminator of rogue machines and mutant vermin, their Cybernetica cortex engrams are known to be particularly predatory and vicious examples of their kind.
Armed with a pair of rotor cannon and a lightning gun, the Vorax are prepared to meet most threats. At close quarters their Battle-automata power blades make short work of even heavily armoured infantry units.
The Vorax Battle-automata is a complete multi-part resin kit, designed by Will Hayes. The kit consists of three Vorax class Battle-automata armed with lightning guns, with an optional Irad-cleanser. This set is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Monday 10th November. The Vorax class Battle-automata are a fast attack option for the Mechanicum Taghmata Omnissiah army list found in The Horus Heresy Book Three - Extermination.
"The beast of metal endures longer than the flesh of men. Those that tend the beast of metal must labour long to learn its ways, for a single beast must suffer the mastership of many men until ready to shed its last vorpal coils."
I'm not really into this 30k Mechanicus stuff but I like the Vorax automata. Mostly because the design is so far removed from standard GW that they wouldn't look out of place in a non-40k game. They can be 15mm mechs, or Infinity bots, or whatever.
I understand the Vorax are an old-school homage, but I just don't like the look: an army of mostly humanoid-shaped machines with a unit of techno-bugs. Maybe if they were a bit more upright, I could ignore the mantis heads. Meh.
the_Armyman wrote:I understand the Vorax are an old-school homage, but I just don't like the look: an army of mostly humanoid-shaped machines with a unit of techno-bugs. Maybe if they were a bit more upright, I could ignore the mantis heads. Meh.
easy enough to swap the detachable heads.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Looky Likey wrote: I'm surprised by the standard edition only being a bit cheaper.
I'm glad I waited. Just ordered it... and IA2... and IA4... and IA9... 10... 11... and 12...
pricey! I tend to buy them when they come out otherwise it gets expensive to catch up. Looks like balab is next up to be updated if the cheap bundle is any indicator.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm not really into this 30k Mechanicus stuff but I like the Vorax automata. Mostly because the design is so far removed from standard GW that they wouldn't look out of place in a non-40k game. They can be 15mm mechs, or Infinity bots, or whatever.
Looky Likey wrote: pricey! I tend to buy them when they come out otherwise it gets expensive to catch up. Looks like balab is next up to be updated if the cheap bundle is any indicator.
I know, but I'm in a weird place where I can afford it (new job + just got paid + still have half my severance package from my last job), and they're the ones I don't have (except the last Vraks book, which they don't sell, and the Ork one, which I don't want).
The Badab War 1&2 + IA2 bundle is actually a really good deal. You save heaps on that.
Looky Likey wrote: pricey! I tend to buy them when they come out otherwise it gets expensive to catch up. Looks like balab is next up to be updated if the cheap bundle is any indicator.
I know, but I'm in a weird place where I can afford it (new job + just got paid + still have half my severance package from my last job), and they're the ones I don't have (except the last Vraks book, which they don't sell, and the Ork one, which I don't want).
The Badab War 1&2 + IA2 bundle is actually a really good deal. You save heaps on that.
Yeah, I got the Badad duo, very cheap compared to what you paid for a single book before.
The vraks books seem to have disappeared (except no. 1). I guess their previous bundle got rid of the old stock.
Hey, I just looked through my buddy's HH3 and we couldn't find out what the Rotor Cannon does. Can any one tell me, or at least point me to the right page? Thank you.
I like the Vorax a lot, they are not the Styrix that I was hoping for, but at least they're a cool model and not another damn contemptor. I am really considering getting a mech army when I finish the ones I have. The rest of the 30K are just marines with some new toys and different looking armor. But these are actually different and unique enough to warrant purchase. Just want to get all of the rules for them fleshed out first, maybe they will release a comprehensive book like they did with the SM.
Because of the rumor about Knights being in HH4 and HH4 comming out soon I think that they will probably wait until the book comes out to release the Styrix. Hopefully another variant will come out at that time too.
Looky Likey wrote: pricey! I tend to buy them when they come out otherwise it gets expensive to catch up. Looks like balab is next up to be updated if the cheap bundle is any indicator.
I know, but I'm in a weird place where I can afford it (new job + just got paid + still have half my severance package from my last job), and they're the ones I don't have (except the last Vraks book, which they don't sell, and the Ork one, which I don't want).
The Badab War 1&2 + IA2 bundle is actually a really good deal. You save heaps on that.
So, we're gonna see some more FW content in Only War or was the 'loss of job' that you were just talking about meaning you've moved on from that?
BaronIveagh wrote: So, we're gonna see some more FW content in Only War or was the 'loss of job' that you were just talking about meaning you've moved on from that?
I don't work forFFG. Never have. I work with them as a freelance writer.
And I was talking about my day job, not what I do with FFG.
Davespil wrote: Hey, I just looked through my buddy's HH3 and we couldn't find out what the Rotor Cannon does. Can any one tell me, or at least point me to the right page? Thank you.
Is it the same 'rotor cannon' mentioned in Book 1 (p233)? If so, it's 30" range, S3 AP6 Salvo 3/4. That one's called both a 'rotor cannon' and a 'rotor gun' though, which isn't too clear.
The Vorax don't seem to fit in with the general aesthetic of Mankind's machinery. It is nice to see a Crusader robot homage, but the bug eyes are off putting somewhat.
Olgerth Istaarn wrote: The Vorax don't seem to fit in with the general aesthetic of Mankind's machinery. It is nice to see a Crusader robot homage, but the bug eyes are off putting somewhat.
Well, it does fit into the more techno-organic look of the Mechanicum.
Davespil wrote: Hey, I just looked through my buddy's HH3 and we couldn't find out what the Rotor Cannon does. Can any one tell me, or at least point me to the right page? Thank you.
it's not in hh3, but the other books, which sucks and I'd wish FW would stop doing that.
I'm really liking the Vorax, they look excellent. Not so sure about their rules, their firepower and armor looks really light, and the programmed behavior rules are painful, especially for what they cost (particularly in comparsion to something like Canoptek Spyders), but I'm definitely going to pick a unit up, if for no other reason than just to paint them.
Well, the thing is that what FW is producing is Mechanicum units from the 30th millenium.
What JB depicts in his artwork is the Adeptus Mechanicus from the 41st millennium, they are what rose from the ashes of the Heresy and the Martian civil war, similar yet still very different, than what they once where.
Then add 10.000 years of technological regression and philosophical stagnation - There you find John Blanches Adeptus Mechanicus.
The Mechanicum embraced innovation and progression, to build upon the works of those that came before end in that way restore mankind to what it had been before the fall of Old Night, to the Adeptus Mechanicus, this philosophical viewpoint is Heresy on a grand scale.
Vaktathi wrote: I'm really liking the Vorax, they look excellent. Not so sure about their rules, their firepower and armor looks really light, and the programmed behavior rules are painful, especially for what they cost (particularly in comparsion to something like Canoptek Spyders), but I'm definitely going to pick a unit up, if for no other reason than just to paint them.
IIRC, they are actually not bad, they are monstrous creatures, and are around T6 with 4 wounds I think. Can't remember what save they have. They are really rapid though, and I think they have 2 rotor cannons, not one twin-linked rotor cannon, so are kicking out 8 shots and a lighting gun shot. Also have battle-automata power blades, and have fleet. I think they are I4 or something too, so they are pretty rapid. Programmed behaviour is not much of an issue for them I don't think, because they are intended to go out on their own and charge into whatever is in the way. With AP2 close combat attacks, and rending from the power blades, they can shred pretty much anything in combat.
LutherMax wrote: Know what the Ad Mech stuff is missing? John Blanche.
And with any luck, at least IMHO, it will stay that way...
Not a fan of Mr. Blanche's work.
Fair enough, it's just that he's so influential to the aesthetic of 40K.
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STC_LogisEngine wrote: Well, the thing is that what FW is producing is Mechanicum units from the 30th millenium.
What JB depicts in his artwork is the Adeptus Mechanicus from the 41st millennium, they are what rose from the ashes of the Heresy and the Martian civil war, similar yet still very different, than what they once where.
Then add 10.000 years of technological regression and philosophical stagnation - There you find John Blanches Adeptus Mechanicus.
The Mechanicum embraced innovation and progression, to build upon the works of those that came before end in that way restore mankind to what it had been before the fall of Old Night, to the Adeptus Mechanicus, this philosophical viewpoint is Heresy on a grand scale.
That's true - good point. I guess they had to create their own look for the 30K Ad Mech stuff, the direction they took just doesn't appeal to me, personally. It looks 'generic' in a way, like it could have come from any one of these recent mini war gaming Kickstarters.
I know that this is far ahead, but I had heard whispers of Tau being reworked, or re-released again for the Kroot that are MIA on the FW site. Do we know or have any more info on IA 14 possibly being Tau, more specifically possibly Kroot based? I would be so happy if it was the Kroot book we have all been waiting for that is more current.
Ashiraya wrote: Are they MCs? If so, they are very small for being MCs.
Well, they appear pretty short because of their hunched posture, but they are actually on 60mm bases and yes, they are monstrous creatures in their rules. If you look at the images on the FW website, one of them is shown in a scale shot next a Marine, and it doesn't look so small then. It is not that dissimilar in size to an Imperial Guard Sentinel, although it is a bit shorter and wider. Is still on the bottom end of monstrous creature-ness though to be fair.
It’s been a while since I’ve taken a look at what’s happening in the Forge World Studio. So, hot on the heels of the Alpha Legion and Word Bearers Contemptor Dreadnoughts I showed you a few weeks ago, I thought I’d bring you a sneak peek of a new Imperial Fists Contemptor Dreadnought on Israel Gonzalez’ workbench.
The Imperial Fists Contemptor Dreadnought is close to being ready.
Duncan Rhodes, who you’ll know as the presenter of the How to Paint Citadel Miniatures videos, has been working on some very cool models of his own. Duncan’s been building his own Imperial Knights army and has painted them in the heraldry and colours of House Griffith from Codex: Imperial Knights. His army is being led by a Cerastus Knight-Lancer, which Duncan has converted to carry a battle cannon.
Duncan’s formidable converted Cerastus Knight leads his Household.
The full might of Duncan's House Griffith.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
For a second there my disappointment at them releasing yet another contemptor took a back seat to the joy at seeing what I thought was a new variant of Knight. But then I saw it was only a conversion and all I am left with is yet another variant of contemptor being released. Yawn...
Anyone else get the (hopeful) feeling that the Space Wolf Contemptor will be particularly epic looking? Now if only I could reach 2 or 3 years into the future to get one.
Hm... didn't someone recently criticize that FW release schme is something like Contemptor-Contemptor-Knight-Contemptor-SomethingElse-Knight-Contemptor?
Well, the bulletins certainly match that pattern...
Kosake wrote: Hm... didn't someone recently criticize that FW release schme is something like Contemptor-Contemptor-Knight-Contemptor-SomethingElse-Knight-Contemptor?
Well, the bulletins certainly match that pattern...
That was I. Still waiting on the Styrix. Don't get me wrong, I like the Vorax and though I think the solar IG troops look silly at least they are releasing new stuff.
Davespil wrote: For a second there my disappointment at them releasing yet another contemptor took a back seat to the joy at seeing what I thought was a new variant of Knight. But then I saw it was only a conversion and all I am left with is yet another variant of contemptor being released. Yawn...
Looky Likey wrote: Looking at that custom lancer I wonder if we'll be able to build custom knights in the next hh book?
That would piss me off. Having already perminately attached the weapons on my Lancer and Castigator. Anyone want to take a guess as to when the 40K version of the 30K IK list will show up?
i wish they'd hurry up and release phase-plasma fusil thallax squads, i've been waiting for those since HH betrayal!
in relation to the knights on the latest bulletin:
something in my mind is saying that despite how awesome it would be to have customizable knights, i dont think thats going to happen.
i think the 'warlord' knight will have options to basically set him up as any of the knights they plan on releasing so you could have any knight from your collection as the warlord in a game.
further, i think that the guy with the knight army is just using the lancer chassis as his warlord representing a knight paladin. the shield generator cant be removed or upgraded despite the background picture on page 231 of HH extermination showing one without it on the same page as its rules.
SirDonlad wrote: i wish they'd hurry up and release phase-plasma fusil thallax squads, i've been waiting for those since HH betrayal!
in relation to the knights on the latest bulletin:
something in my mind is saying that despite how awesome it would be to have customizable knights, i dont think thats going to happen.
i think the 'warlord' knight will have options to basically set him up as any of the knights they plan on releasing so you could have any knight from your collection as the warlord in a game.
further, i think that the guy with the knight army is just using the lancer chassis as his warlord representing a knight paladin. the shield generator cant be removed or upgraded despite the background picture on page 231 of HH extermination showing one without it on the same page as its rules.
I do hope they release the Knight Warden, kind of a HS Knight with big guns but slow and lacking in melee. Honestly, I'm all about them releasing as many knights as possible because I really like the models and they are very impressive on the table. Also, fun and easy to paint. I'm about to order the Archenon and I will order the Styrix as soon as it's released. But, I think that the Styrix won't be released until the new HH book is. Anyone want to take a guess on when that will be? I heard it was before Xmas, but are we talking late November or mid December?
Is it only me who finds it odd that the sicaran battle tank have different armourvalue between loyalist sicaran battle tank and infernus sicaran battle tank.
Q0rbin wrote: Is it only me who finds it odd that the sicaran battle tank have different armourvalue between loyalist sicaran battle tank and infernus sicaran battle tank.
Look at it this way, while gibbering faces of the damned provide a useful tool against the enemy's morale, said faces don't provide quite the same protection against high velocity anti-tank weapons.
Q0rbin wrote: Is it only me who finds it odd that the sicaran battle tank have different armourvalue between loyalist sicaran battle tank and infernus sicaran battle tank.
Look at it this way, while gibbering faces of the damned provide a useful tool against the enemy's morale, said faces don't provide quite the same protection against high velocity anti-tank weapons.
I lol'd
Incidentally, what is the difference in armour values?
Housing machine spirits which some say became too accustomed to wholesale slaughter during the Age of Strife and the Great Crusade that followed it, many of the more conservative Households consider the Styrix to be a dark and malevolent pattern of armour, the wanton slaughter it unleashes being beneath a true Knight. Other Households hold no such reservations, loosing entire formations of Styrix mark Knights to mercilessly annihilate their foes.
Armed with a devastating Volkite chieorovile and backed up with a graviton gun and twin-linked rad cleanser, the Questoris Knight Styrix is easily able to eliminate large numbers of infantry at range. Whilst in close combat, its immensely powerful hekaton siege claw can smash vehicles and tear buildings asunder, making it a powerful addition to any army.
The Questoris Knight Styrix can be fielded in Horus Heresy games using the Battles in the Age of Darkness expansion as part of the forthcoming Questoris Knight Crusade Army list or as a Lords of War choice for any Horus Heresy army. Its rules will be published in the next Horus Heresy rulebook, details of which will be revealed very soon!
This is a complete multi-part resin and plastic kit, designed by Rob MacFarlane. It is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Monday November 17th.
"Simple slaughter is not the apex of war. The enemy must be burned out of his every bolt hole, his stockpiles destroyed and every last hope he has trampled into the dust of his cities." - Chieftain Sidrik Nathmel of the Sons of Horus
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Volkite chieorovile is the main gun, so I'm expecting lots of high AP shots. Interesting to see where this fits in with the Castigator's bolt cannon.
I'm not holding my breath that the rules will be that good anyway, I won't buy one till I see the rules, and I have brought all the other Knights.
The Magaera was very meh and offers too little over a Thanatar for me, the D weapon in CC is about all I'd want. In fact a Magaera with the claw is only 20 points cheaper than a pair of Thanatars, which have twice the shots, T8 MC, etc.
Crazyterran wrote: volkite weapon? Might not be usable in 40k at all, if we go off previous Volkite using tanks/vehicles.
The Magaera is allowed in 40K, I don't see why the Styrix won't be. I don't think that Volkite is all that powerful that they'd keep it out of 40K. I hope the Volkite chieorovile is a large blast.
Pretty sure the Styx isn't allowed in 40k. The other knights specifically mentioned they may be used in a Knights army (which is a 40k army) as well as a Lord of War choice for other Imperial 40k armies.
This one doesn't. They even went out of their way to say "Lord of War choice for any HORUS HERESY army".
If this was really allowed for 40k, why would they say it's a LoW choice for any HH army, then not mention it's also a LoW choice for any "Imperial" army or whatever else, unlike the other knights?
Given that the quote for it comes from a Sons of Horus guy, I wouldn't be too surprised if the Mechanicum banned them after the HH or something due to being chaos corrupted (all that wanton slaughter and all).
Crazyterran wrote: volkite weapon? Might not be usable in 40k at all, if we go off previous Volkite using tanks/vehicles.
The Magaera is allowed in 40K, I don't see why the Styrix won't be. I don't think that Volkite is all that powerful that they'd keep it out of 40K. I hope the Volkite chieorovile is a large blast.
It is just a precedent thing- so far every released Volkite option has not got 40k rules. The Fellglaive was released several months prior to Imperial Armour 2nd Edition, and yet it doesn't feature where it's sister vehicle, the Fellblade does. For whatever reason, FW does not want volkite weaponry in 40k. Maybe they think it would be too powerful against certain xenos? It is certainly pretty effective against infantry hordes.
I wondered that, since GW/FW often use actual archaic words for types of gun to name their weapons. However a brief search of the internet for the word only turned up links relating to this product so I would say no, it isn't.
It appears to be FW's standard latin-ish... "chiero" or "chiro" is the latin-ized Greek for " kheir" and pronounce "kaih-ro" and means of the hands and is used in medicine and in some synonyms for palm reading. Vile is simply bad, repulsive, or objectionable. This is a "Foul-handed" volkite weapon.
Alpharius wrote: Especially once FW smartens up and does some Great Crusade Era stuff - including Xenos!
That would be pretty incredible.
I 100% agree, but FW won't till black library starts writing books for that era. but hey if they do let's HOPE to Khorne they release Mark I Thunder Armor
Dat face. No, really. Combined with the angle of the head, the appropriate caption to that knight's pictures would be: "whoa, the acid just kicked in. I can TASTE colors, bro."
Other than that and the fugly carapace... the big gun is nice.
If they ever release Mk. VIII I'll have to actually expand my Minotaurs into a full battle company. The hobbiest in me will be quite excited, the penny-pinching Dutchman, less so.
Hm... Knights, Solar Auxillia, Mechanicum... what, no Spess Muhreens this time? I thought they'd introduce some more of the Legions. Wasn't there talk that they'd bring back the two lost ones as well?
Kosake wrote: Hm... Knights, Solar Auxillia, Mechanicum... what, no Spess Muhreens this time? I thought they'd introduce some more of the Legions. Wasn't there talk that they'd bring back the two lost ones as well?
Looks like they get 63 pages of a Campaign:
Ordered mine as I really want the Knight army list. I may or may not start a small Solar Aux. force if the list looks good, although I'm planning on getting Anvil's Exo warriors instead as I'm not a massive fan of the FW figures.
Yeah, 60 pages of campaign rules including a new city fighting variant and whatever the "strategic raid" variant is. AND a 30k IG army list. This almost makes me want to spend money on GW again...
This is awsome, I had hoped FW would release a Campaign-system for HH but I had not expected it this soon.
Lore-wise I find it highly interesting that they appearantly set the narrative within the Gothic Sector, as an old enthusiast of Battlefleet: Gothic that starchart in the beginning fired a few synapses.
Sasori wrote: Ugh, I thought Dark Mechcanium was supposed to be in book 4.
Nah, hey a ready said on the recent Warhamer Fest interviews that Dark Mechaicum won't really be a hung until either the very end or after the heresy is completed. They're still to early in the timeline for the Mechanicum to have suddenly turned into an army of gribbly Daemon Engines. Like the Astartes, the good/evil versions are still mostly the same.
Sasori wrote: Ugh, I thought Dark Mechcanium was supposed to be in book 4.
Nah, hey a ready said on the recent Warhamer Fest interviews that Dark Mechaicum won't really be a hung until either the very end or after the heresy is completed. They're still to early in the timeline for the Mechanicum to have suddenly turned into an army of gribbly Daemon Engines. Like the Astartes, the good/evil versions are still mostly the same.
I swear they keep changing that. I have read that DM was supposed to be coming soon. I'm sure I've read it...
The special chr listed in the knights section is DRAYKAVAC.
Draykavac revealed his dark allegiance to Warmaster Horus, his loyalty bought with the promise of access to technologies long forbidden by the Emperor.
ie. Dark Mechaicum chr, I recall FW saying that there would be little difference between the two as not enough time has passed to heavily differentiate them. My guess would be some upgrade unlocks or such.
STC_LogisEngine wrote: This is awsome, I had hoped FW would release a Campaign-system for HH but I had not expected it this soon.
Haven't there been campaigns to run in every HH book thusfar?
Or maybe they've just been 1-off campaigns?
They've all been pretty heavily-themed around Istvaan, although the Strike Force(Kill Team but better) rules can be used for pretty much everything, even 40K forces if you don't deliberately try and build the most broken list possible. Looks like these new campaign rules are going to be more generic "fight a series of Heresy battles" rules.
Damn, I was hoping that the there would be a few more knights in the book, like the warden. Might have to pick this book up. So what is this DRAYKAVAC? Is he an Knight or just one of the mechanicus guys?
Davespil wrote: Damn, I was hoping that the there would be a few more knights in the book, like the warden. Might have to pick this book up. So what is this DRAYKAVAC? Is he an Knight or just one of the mechanicus guys?
Look up a few posts for the Draykavac info apparently (can't verify it personally but azeroth posted some tidbits). As for the number of knights, half a dozen isn't enough? You went from ZERO knights a year ago to now 8+ (don't know if the ones in conquest include or are in addition to the already published FW variants). You've got one heck of a knight household appetite! I love me some space marines (especially HH stuff) but I'm glad they're putting the focus (at least temporarily) on something other than astartes for a book. IMO, both FW and BL are unnecessarily dragging out the stuff to pad their releases for a decade or more. For instance, I would have preferred if Istvaan was just two books and then they moved onto some other theatre (and legions).
Davespil wrote: Damn, I was hoping that the there would be a few more knights in the book, like the warden. Might have to pick this book up. So what is this DRAYKAVAC? Is he an Knight or just one of the mechanicus guys?
Honestly, it smacks of stuff they've made up to keep the HH gravy train rolling on.
At least with FW we know it will be pretty and well executed.
The admittedly pretty models do help to divert attention away from the relatively slow progression of the series. BL doesn't have that luxury; they only (occasionally) have nice covers!
Davespil wrote: Damn, I was hoping that the there would be a few more knights in the book, like the warden. Might have to pick this book up. So what is this DRAYKAVAC? Is he an Knight or just one of the mechanicus guys?
I'm currently converting some space wolf stuff and that animal skull head would be a great bit to have (multiples of!). Out of curiosity, how does that abeyant move? It doesn't have any overly large pack animals to pull it like the holy sled of Santa Grimnar. That must be one of the dark secrets mentioned in the description.
Honestly, it smacks of stuff they've made up to keep the HH gravy train rolling on.
Eh...it seems like it would all fit pretty well within the confines of Vengeful Spirit. I mean, the battle of Molech had pretty much all of this kind of stuff.
I'm getting the impression that the HH books (and I'm at MMPB speed, so no spoilers) is now beginning, at least slightly, to act like those Hasbro cartoon series of the 80s, if you read about some big flier or tank in a HH book, one can bet that one will be able to buy it soon.
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I'm not being hugely critical of this, just making an observation, it is much less of an issue with all the optional stuff that FW makes, compared to GW proper reaching into a codex, eviscerating it and then selling the entrails back to us in order to have a range of playable options.
I'm mostly interested in seeing the Solar Auxilia list to see what kind of models they're going to get.
I may or may not have an interest in Grav Tanks.
Not enough in this book of particular interest, at a glance, to me to go for a shiny special edition. Will wait patiently to see what it contains in detail. New mission types are of particular interest; Zone Mortalis is cool, but requires three souls value worth of unique terrain to play, but urban warfare? I'm down for a newer version of Cities of Death.
Hmm, not sure I agree. The popularity of HH has allowed them to turn it into a setting of its own now, rather than just a condensed version of the BL fluff with rules to fight out the well known battles, so I have no issue with them "padding" things providing the "new" content they produce is of equivalent quality to the "main" content; BL's current turn with the HH isn't gak because they're expanding beyond the basic Istvaan > Wee Bit of Random Stuff > Mars > Terra progression, it's gak because the stuff they're adding is either pedestrian repurposed Space Marine Battles rubbish or ridiculous ultra-super-mega-special-limited-collector-edition micro-novellas etc.
Considering that at the moment Warhammer/40K is to GW as Theon Greyjoy is to Ramsay Bolton, the more (good)HH stuff FW put out the better.
I dunno. Didn't they say Prospero needed three books? Seems excessive. And this book has an air of Vraks 2 to it. What I mean by that is that Siege of Vraks 2 might as well have been re-titled "Reaver Titan: We Sell a Reaver Titan", as the book was basically a massive hardbacked advert for their new Reaver kit.
This book is all about them Knights, and I'm worried that FW has once again gotten so enamoured with a kit that they've forgotten that the kits support the book, not the other way around.
Is this a standalone book, or part 1 of a new trilogy?
Davespil wrote: Damn, I was hoping that the there would be a few more knights in the book, like the warden. Might have to pick this book up. So what is this DRAYKAVAC? Is he an Knight or just one of the mechanicus guys?
Look up a few posts for the Draykavac info apparently (can't verify it personally but azeroth posted some tidbits). As for the number of knights, half a dozen isn't enough? You went from ZERO knights a year ago to now 8+ (don't know if the ones in conquest include or are in addition to the already published FW variants). You've got one heck of a knight household appetite! I love me some space marines (especially HH stuff) but I'm glad they're putting the focus (at least temporarily) on something other than astartes for a book. IMO, both FW and BL are unnecessarily dragging out the stuff to pad their releases for a decade or more. For instance, I would have preferred if Istvaan was just two books and then they moved onto some other theatre (and legions).
I was hoping for the Warden that people were talking about. Maybe a new variant of Knight. At least they stopped making Marines for a bit so we get some cool stuff.
Davespil wrote: Damn, I was hoping that the there would be a few more knights in the book, like the warden. Might have to pick this book up. So what is this DRAYKAVAC? Is he an Knight or just one of the mechanicus guys?
Look up a few posts for the Draykavac info apparently (can't verify it personally but azeroth posted some tidbits). As for the number of knights, half a dozen isn't enough? You went from ZERO knights a year ago to now 8+ (don't know if the ones in conquest include or are in addition to the already published FW variants). You've got one heck of a knight household appetite! I love me some space marines (especially HH stuff) but I'm glad they're putting the focus (at least temporarily) on something other than astartes for a book. IMO, both FW and BL are unnecessarily dragging out the stuff to pad their releases for a decade or more. For instance, I would have preferred if Istvaan was just two books and then they moved onto some other theatre (and legions).
I was hoping for the Warden that people were talking about. Maybe a new variant of Knight. At least they stopped making Marines for a bit so we get some cool stuff.
No kidding. I have mine all designed out and ready to build as soon as they release the rules. I also would have accepted a build-a-knight template.
STC_LogisEngine wrote: It's a stand-alone covering the battles of the Cyclops cluster around Port Maw in what will be the Gothic Sector.
HH5 is Confirmed as Calth.
Ok, that makes life easier. I might pick up the collector's edition then.
STC_LogisEngine wrote: It's a stand-alone covering the battles of the Cyclops cluster around Port Maw in what will be the Gothic Sector.
HH5 is Confirmed as Calth.
Ok, that makes life easier. I might pick up the collector's edition then.
Unlike GW, the LE is only a small premium over the usual price anyway. I got caught because IA13 was £50 LE, and £45 regular, assuming it would be as much of a premium as the GW regualr gak, I waited.
Also, didn't FW say that this book is basically there to give players some more stuff to play around with, lists, force-orgs, missions, campaigns, etc, while introducing relatively few models to let them play catch up?
I mean, the Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Night Lords and Raven Guard have a grand total of a few basic marine conversion parts and Contemptors, and they're waaaaay behind on characters across the board (though they also said that not all characters will get a model). Before they move onto the Ultras and Space Wolves/Thousand Sons, it'd probably be wise to flesh out some more of the range.
The only genuinely new models in this book would be the Auxilia and a Knight or two, while still providing some good gaming fodder and variant playstyles, which is kind of FW's big thing when it comes to rules writing.
Hey! I like the Word Bearers. But yes, we can't go overboard with existing Legions because we need the ones we're missing (at least Calth gives us the Ultramarines Legion).
So if this one is "Horus Heresy: The Wars of Padding" and the next one is "Calth", that makes number six... what? The war on Mars? The start of Prospero? Padding Wars 2: The Revenge of the Filler?
Thramas Crusade and Signus Prime I think is the current thinking for Book 6. So Dark Angels and Blood Angels (and Night Lords and Daemons). They may try and squeeze White Scars (and Alpha Legion) into that in some way too, because waiting until the Siege of Terra is a bit harsh.
Is this a standalone book, or part 1 of a new trilogy?
It's a stand-alone covering the battles of the Cyclops cluster around Port Maw in what will be the Gothic Sector.
HH5 is Confirmed as Calth.
Well, this is good news to me. I am definitely keen to see the story "continue" in terms of available models, especially since I play BA and DA, and they have nothing as of yet. Calth won't help me, but at least it will get us a new Legion to read about.
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Haighus wrote: Thramas Crusade and Signus Prime I think is the current thinking for Book 6. So Dark Angels and Blood Angels (and Night Lords and Daemons).
They may try and squeeze White Scars (and Alpha Legion) into that in some way too, because waiting until the Siege of Terra is a bit harsh.
So, this is better news for me, but at this point, who knows how far away a Book 6 could be. Waiting until the Siege of Terra (which I don't think will even be WRITTEN about in HH for years to come) is definitely the worst possibility for me.
Yeah, if I remember correctly, the White Scars spent most of the Heresy running around in circles being thoroughly trolled by the Alpha Legion, who had been tasked with delaying them form joining any of the fronts, along with a couple of other Legions who escape me atm, and they just about made it to Terra for the big finale, but as Alpharius said, they made it in near full strength. Therefore I think they could be a relatively easy Legion to shoe-horn into another book, as they don't have much of a campaign or major battle until Terra, at least atm.
H.B.M.C. wrote: This book is all about them Knights, and I'm worried that FW has once again gotten so enamoured with a kit that they've forgotten that the kits support the book, not the other way around.
I don't think it's quite that bad. There's a lot of space given to "look, we sell knights", but we also get 30k IG and ~60 pages of new mission rules (including city fighting updated to 7th!). Yeah, the fluff is probably going to suffer from being drawn out into so many books, but I look at this as an equivalent to IA1/2/13. It's all about the army lists and individual unit fluff, any story that happens to be attached is just a nice bonus.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I dunno. Didn't they say Prospero needed three books? Seems excessive. And this book has an air of Vraks 2 to it. What I mean by that is that Siege of Vraks 2 might as well have been re-titled "Reaver Titan: We Sell a Reaver Titan", as the book was basically a massive hardbacked advert for their new Reaver kit.
This book is all about them Knights, and I'm worried that FW has once again gotten so enamoured with a kit that they've forgotten that the kits support the book, not the other way around.
Is this a standalone book, or part 1 of a new trilogy?
To be fair, not just Knights, it has the Imperial Army list as well, which from the content page looks to be just as extensive as the Massacre AdMech list or the basic Legions list. I do agree they're going OTT on the Knights though.
The Prospero thing was 2 books I think, due to the inclusion of Sisters of Silence and Custodes on top of Wolves & Sons, and given the blurb for that recent Super Special Limited Moist Novelette from BL there's room there for a wee Death Guard-related sideshow too.
This book is standalone, next up is either a Calth book/duology or a Signus book, Prospero having been pushed back. Thing is if they just go hammer & tongs at the main storyline, there's not actually a huge amount to cover - 1 or 2 Calth books, a Signus/other random stuff book, 1 or 2 Prospero books, then what else is there really apart from 1 or 2 Mars books and the final Terra trilogy? Assuming they keep firing out two books a year, that's 3.5 to 5 years, less if they made Mars the first book of the final trilogy. I don't think one or two books like this one are too much, as long as they don't start farting out filler books between every major plot book it should be fine.
Well considering they're making a clear effort not to outpace the BL novels, which aren't even remotely close to Terra at their current rate, because filler ahoy and all that, I'm sure we'll see some more genuine sideshow stuff along the way, or once the books have caught up they might focus on something else book-wise, who knows.
Lord knows we've got a good 15 years before BL reaches the Siege of Terra.
Forgive the possible pedantry, but my understanding was that the Solar Auxillia was categorically not the Imperial Army?
But they did serve as the template for the Imperial Army, so functionally it's an Imperial Army list, leaving aside the inevitable "special snowflake" unit or two.
Post Chapterhouse they are never going to be called Imperial Army, so that isn't FW's fault. I'd hope we'd see something usable for whatever Imperial Army ends up being called in the next book as the UM made use of a PDF type force even then.
Haighus wrote: Yeah, if I remember correctly, the White Scars spent most of the Heresy running around in circles being thoroughly trolled by the Alpha Legion, who had been tasked with delaying them form joining any of the fronts, along with a couple of other Legions who escape me atm, and they just about made it to Terra for the big finale, but as Alpharius said, they made it in near full strength. Therefore I think they could be a relatively easy Legion to shoe-horn into another book, as they don't have much of a campaign or major battle until Terra, at least atm.
Did you read the newish HH book "Scars?" It deals with this pretty well (including the Alpha Legion to some extent though not in the way you describe) but is the first real look at the Legion.
MajorStoffer wrote: Zone Mortalis is cool, but requires three souls value worth of unique terrain to play, but urban warfare? I'm down for a newer version of Cities of Death.
I agree I miss Cities of Death, an update would be awesome!
If you own Space Hulk then the board for that is pretty handy for playing Zone Mortalis games, thats how I make do
Haighus wrote: Yeah, if I remember correctly, the White Scars spent most of the Heresy running around in circles being thoroughly trolled by the Alpha Legion, who had been tasked with delaying them form joining any of the fronts, along with a couple of other Legions who escape me atm, and they just about made it to Terra for the big finale, but as Alpharius said, they made it in near full strength. Therefore I think they could be a relatively easy Legion to shoe-horn into another book, as they don't have much of a campaign or major battle until Terra, at least atm.
Did you read the newish HH book "Scars?" It deals with this pretty well (including the Alpha Legion to some extent though not in the way you describe) but is the first real look at the Legion.
Ah, so they have already begun fleshing out the background for them? I thought Scars was Great Crusade stuff?
Scars begins slightly before Isstvan, the bulk of the text handles the events around the time when the news of the Heresy reaches the legion and what happens then.
We all know it will be 2025 by the time the siege of Terra gets a BL book and it will be done in a quad-rilogy by C.S. Goto, with the first book in laser disc format.
The second book will be published as a handcrafted stone tablet inscribed with a GW made pictograph based language called "Fine-Speak."
Book 3 will be a GW brick and mortar store exclusive, with an employee reciting it from memory.
By the time they get to book 4 (approximately 2073) climate change will have taken its toll, making the demand for it non existent (due to humanity devolving into Lovecraft like fish monsters) with GW patting itself on the back for a job well done.
By that math FW should get to the Siege of Terra by 2134.
looking at the contents page, im incredibly disappointed to see no mechanicum additions apart from draycavak.
through my tears i noticed that the solar auxillia list has an 'optional heavy support' bit which is the same as the legion list red book which allows legion armies to field thallax and castellax.
after comparing contents lists of the other books it seems there are 3 pages of 'optional heavy support' open to the solar auxilia (290, 291, 292)
i think that will be; thallax, castellax and vorax.
the "forces of the..." section near the top of the contents page offers a ray of hope.
The Land Raider could be an optional Heavy Support Option, they were used by the Imperial Army during the Great Crusade and in the early Stages of the HH, until high loses and insufficient demand left them being solely reserved for use by Astarte forces.
Quick heads up, tickets for Februaries Horus Heresy Weekender @ Nottingham Belfry go on general sale on Monday next week. They are currently on pre sale if you went to this years event.
Not sure I'm going to be able to get a ticket as I need to wait till pay day for mine.
This is the first HH book which hasn't filled me with the urge to dash out and snap it up without delay. It just doesn't seem to drive the story in the way the previous 3 did. Hopefully it won't go the way of the BL series ...
That's my fear as well, but I think that the summary cards will be quite useful given the scattered nature of the rules across multiple books. I just hope FW don't lose their minds BL-style with endless pointless filler.
I would not sweat it, FW has been very open with that it is a book to:
1.) Broaden the scope of the conflict, not everything was pure legion-on-legion warfare.
2.) Give rules to models that have none and sort said rules into proper army lists.
3.) But above all, give sculptors time to finish the backlog of models from HH 1-3 and room to be on schedule with model production for HH:5.
So yes it is a "filler book" but one that is nessecary, I for one has high hopes for a good campaign-system and alternaive playmodes (Tactical Strike) in this book, also, you get an armylist for Knights and a part of the Imperial Army so why all the fuss? The alternative was to have a 12 month-period with no new books after HH:3 and have the content of this book it shoehorned into the following 3 books ( Calth, Prospero and [Only Alan Bligh Knows] FYI.), cutting down on their content, is that what you want? No, not me either.
Necroagogo wrote: This is the first HH book which hasn't filled me with the urge to dash out and snap it up without delay. It just doesn't seem to drive the story in the way the previous 3 did. Hopefully it won't go the way of the BL series ...
That's the joy of capitalism. If you don't feel a product meets your cost to benefit ratio you're totally free to get something you actually want.
I've been looking forward to it for a while now so I slotted in as one of my $100+ hobby purchases for the year.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Following three books? Are we sure Calth is one book? I'm really worried they will stretch them out.
I'd be surprised if it where. I suspect one book will be devoted to the planetside battle and another for the void war stuff. That IMO isn't padding as there is enough there to take up two books but if they tack on a third then it will be.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Following three books? Are we sure Calth is one book? I'm really worried they will stretch them out.
I'd be surprised if it where. I suspect one book will be devoted to the planetside battle and another for the void war stuff. That IMO isn't padding as there is enough there to take up two books but if they tack on a third then it will be.
I have not heard any chatter about Calth getting three books, I think that is just standard paranoia from the fanbase, Calth is large enough of a battle to get it's own book but three? come on, be a bit rational.
Yes, the first arc got three books but it covers Isstvan III (purging the loyalists), Isstvan V (Drop Site Massacre), The 100 day hunt for Corax and the surviving XIX Legion on Isstvan V, The battle of Paramar and the battle of Phall.
Also, remember that the fall of Prospero was supposed to be book 4, but due to unforseen trouble with balance in playtesting with the Thousand Sons and Custodian Guard it was pushed to book 5, Calth, initially planned for book 5 took Prospero's place. Then they realised they needed more time to tackle the backlog and they -did- have enough new minis to cover a whole bookrelease, and they did need to get that campaign system out into print that they had been working on.
Thus book 4 became war in the gothic sector with knights and imperial army (+Legion sideshow), Calth got back to bookrelease 5 and Prospero slid back into bookrelease 6 (probably to the great relief of the playtesters).
Why do people angst so much over this? It's really quite hillarious to watch.
Who said three? I think most people I've seen said two, personally I think it'll be one as they showed off a lot of UM stuff at Warhammerfest, more than enough to match what the other legions had for the other books.
I'm not expecting Prospero at all next year, but I've no idea what the 6th book will be, wouldn't surprise me to be a full Dark Mechanicum list and two legions.
I thought the talk was 2 books. And that makes sense to me -- one that gets down-and-dirty on Calth, and another that covers the other actions during the Shadow Crusade.
Thus book 4 became war in the gothic sectorwith knights and imperial army (+Legion sideshow), Calth got back to bookrelease 5 and Prospero slid back into bookrelease 6 (probably to the great relief of the playtesters).
Gothic Sector? OMG!!! I do hope we'll get to see some sort of nod to BFG, but I doubt that would happen though. :(
Thus book 4 became war in the gothic sectorwith knights and imperial army (+Legion sideshow), Calth got back to bookrelease 5 and Prospero slid back into bookrelease 6 (probably to the great relief of the playtesters).
Gothic Sector? OMG!!! I do hope we'll get to see some sort of nod to BFG, but I doubt that would happen though. :(
I wouldn't be surprised if there are subtle links - this is the same Forge World that put references to Necromuda in Book 3!
Thus book 4 became war in the gothic sectorwith knights and imperial army (+Legion sideshow), Calth got back to bookrelease 5 and Prospero slid back into bookrelease 6 (probably to the great relief of the playtesters).
Gothic Sector? OMG!!! I do hope we'll get to see some sort of nod to BFG, but I doubt that would happen though. :(
I wouldn't be surprised if there are subtle links - this is the same Forge World that put references to Necromuda in Book 3!
Thus book 4 became war in the gothic sectorwith knights and imperial army (+Legion sideshow), Calth got back to bookrelease 5 and Prospero slid back into bookrelease 6 (probably to the great relief of the playtesters).
Gothic Sector? OMG!!! I do hope we'll get to see some sort of nod to BFG, but I doubt that would happen though. :(
I wouldn't be surprised if there are subtle links - this is the same Forge World that put references to Necromuda in Book 3!
Wait, how did I miss that??
Go through the Imperial Fist notable battles, the final conclusion of, I think, the 2nd story has what you seek.
Thus book 4 became war in the gothic sectorwith knights and imperial army (+Legion sideshow), Calth got back to bookrelease 5 and Prospero slid back into bookrelease 6 (probably to the great relief of the playtesters).
Gothic Sector? OMG!!! I do hope we'll get to see some sort of nod to BFG, but I doubt that would happen though. :(
I wouldn't be surprised if there are subtle links - this is the same Forge World that put references to Necromuda in Book 3!
Wait, how did I miss that??
Go through the Imperial Fist notable battles, the final conclusion of, I think, the 2nd story has what you seek.
Many thanks. There it is at the bottom of the page at the very end. Neat stuff.
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There are so many cool things happening in Forge World at the moment. First up is the soon to be released upgrade set for the Imperial Fists Legion,. I got a few quick shots of some of the parts from the kit before it was whisked away to Production, and also some models the Studio have built up with it using Legion MkIV Maximus Armour.
Parts from the new upgrade kit.
Imperial Fists made using the upgrade kit.
The tickets for the Horus Heresy Weekender 2015 have arrived and I’m told they’ll be on sale early next week. The Horus Heresy Weekender this year was fantastic, and there’ll be more information on next year’s event soon. All I can reveal for now is that it’s at the Belfry Hotel in Nottingham on Saturday 7th - Sunday 8th February, and if I wasn’t working at the event, I’d be ordering my ticket the moment they go on sale given how quickly they sold out last year. Hopefully I’ll see you there!
The first of the tickets for The Horus Heresy Weekender 2015.
Talking of all things Heresy-related, one of the first copies of The Horus Heresy Book Four – Conquest Special Edition somehow made its way to my desk this week, if only fleetingly. The special edition, presented in its own slipcase that also contains a massive poster and four double-sided quick reference cards, looks fantastic. Once my own copy arrives, the poster is going straight up on the wall and the quick reference cards will be coming to every game with me – they’re going to see plenty of use mid-game when I usually forget weapons stats and special rules! If you want to get your hands on one, make sure you get your order in very soon.
he Horus Heresy Book Four – Conquest Special Edition.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
There are so many cool things happening in Forge World at the moment. First up is the soon to be released upgrade set for the Imperial Fists Legion,. I got a few quick shots of some of the parts from the kit before it was whisked away to Production, and also some models the Studio have built up with it using Legion MkIV Maximus Armour.
The tickets for the Horus Heresy Weekender 2015 have arrived and I’m told they’ll be on sale early next week. The Horus Heresy Weekender this year was fantastic, and there’ll be more information on next year’s event soon. All I can reveal for now is that it’s at the Belfry Hotel in Nottingham on Saturday 7th - Sunday 8th February, and if I wasn’t working at the event, I’d be ordering my ticket the moment they go on sale given how quickly they sold out last year. Hopefully I’ll see you there!
Talking of all things Heresy-related, one of the first copies of The Horus Heresy Book Four – Conquest Special Edition somehow made its way to my desk this week, if only fleetingly. The special edition, presented in its own slipcase that also contains a massive poster and four double-sided quick reference cards, looks fantastic. Once my own copy arrives, the poster is going straight up on the wall and the quick reference cards will be coming to every game with me – they’re going to see plenty of use mid-game when I usually forget weapons stats and special rules! If you want to get your hands on one, make sure you get your order in very soon.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Chris.
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Rather looking forward to getting HH4 now, the limited looks rather nice.
I'm thinking Sternguard. I've had a unit of Legion Breachers in my shopping cart for a while as I waffled on whether to pick them up to use as Blood Angel Sternguard, and wait to see whether the unit is worth fielding in the new codex.
gorgon wrote: Is that a positive or negative comment?
Mostly negative. I like the models, but FW has an obsession with Mk.IV that started way back in IA4.
It is getting a bit weird now considering it's supposed to be pretty rare outside the Traitor Legions, you'd have thought a lot of the Loyalist "special" units would have fancified MK5/MK3.
gorgon wrote: Is that a positive or negative comment?
Mostly negative. I like the models, but FW has an obsession with Mk.IV that started way back in IA4.
It is getting a bit weird now considering it's supposed to be pretty rare outside the Traitor Legions, you'd have thought a lot of the Loyalist "special" units would have fancified MK5/MK3.
The thing is that rare in a legion is still larger than most peoples collection of minis, though I d wish they'd do more Mk. 3.
gorgon wrote: Is that a positive or negative comment?
Mostly negative. I like the models, but FW has an obsession with Mk.IV that started way back in IA4.
It is getting a bit weird now considering it's supposed to be pretty rare outside the Traitor Legions, you'd have thought a lot of the Loyalist "special" units would have fancified MK5/MK3.
But Imoerial Fist rescued hundreds of thousands of suits from Mars during the great crusade, at least according to the black library stories.
gorgon wrote: Is that a positive or negative comment?
Mostly negative. I like the models, but FW has an obsession with Mk.IV that started way back in IA4.
It is getting a bit weird now considering it's supposed to be pretty rare outside the Traitor Legions, you'd have thought a lot of the Loyalist "special" units would have fancified MK5/MK3.
Well it wouldn't be MK 5 since that isn't an actual set of armor. You go from MK 4 to Mk 6, 5 was a name given to the piece-meal armor that the shattered legions scavenged after the drop zone massacre. At this point I wish they'd just do Praetorian armor the the UM's have and call it MK8!
It does make me wonder what armour the Loyalist special units will end up having. I would have pegged the Templar Brethren for Mk. III, but this may indicate more "MK IV for everyone!"
Now, I do like the Mk. IV, and were I to do a 30k army, I'd have Alpha Legion with Mk. IV here, there and everywhere, but I do long for some more diversity in the Marine ranks if they're going to focus on them as heavily as they are.
That being said, I think it's a fair point to remember that Forgeworld likes to focus on specific projects at a time; the Death Korps stuff came pretty consistently for a while, replete with groans of "More guards, bleargh" and now we're just dealing with Marine overload as they build up their own 40k spinoff. As more and more of the core stuff gets hammered out, we'll probably see more diversity again.
Maybe we'll even see carapace armoured Elysians and the Necron characters from IA12. Wouldn't that be shocking?
Some chapters still make MK IV Armour in m41, or maybe just the Red Scorpions.
But year a greater range of MK III Armour would be awesome, its got a real mean character too it that suits Boarding marines, heavy weapons and close combat squads
On that diversity idea, an Elysian Drop Commissar would be awesome.
1. Stormhammer!!! MEowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww~
2. 'Solar Auxilia Tercio' ... if 'SA Section has the size of modern IG 'Platoon'. Tercio will have a size of an entire Infantry Company... so did the Astra Auxilia (Imperial Army) use larger military formations like the old Spain?
The Horus Heresy Weekender 2015 will be held at the Nottingham Belfry Hotel on Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th February ̵ doors open at 9am on both days. Tickets for this event can be purchased from the Forge World webstore by clicking here, from the Black Library webstore by clicking here, by phoning the Forge World Customer Service team on 0115 9004995 or over the counter at Warhammer World, Nottingham. Tickets are priced at £70 and give you access to absolutely everything over the two-day event. Tickets are stricly limited to 350. If you want to join us for this fantastic experience, get your tickets today!
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The Horus Heresy Weekender 2015 will be packed full of things for you to enjoy, including:
Visiting the Forge World, Black Library and Art Gallery sales areas to get your hands on the latest resin models, books, event exclusive merchandise and exclusive art work.
Meeting the Forge World model design and book teams, and seeing their latest projects and creations.
Meeting the Black Library authors, editors and artists, giving you plenty of opportunities to get your Black Library novels signed.
A variety of Forge World and Black Library seminars.
Forge World demo pods, to help you hone your hobby skills.
Gaming demonstrations and the chance to bring your own Horus Heresy army and have a game with a friend.
Evening entertainment on Saturday – join in the now infamous Horus Heresy quiz and modelling challenge.
The hotel is offering a limited number of bedrooms at a reduced rate of £69 for single occupancy and £79 for double occupancy for any attendees who wish to stay at the venue. To book a room at this reduced rate, please call the hotel directly on 0845 0740064 and quote ʻGames Workshopʼ when making your room booking. For full details of the hotelʼs facilities, please click here.
Is that how much the previous HH events were priced at as well? You can go to a five day convention like gencon signed up for games in every slot for less than the HH weekender price.
warboss wrote: Is that how much the previous HH events were priced at as well? You can go to a five day convention like gencon signed up for games in every slot for less than the HH weekender price.
Yep £70 ($109.58 US)
Although the plane ticket to Gen Con may take it above the £70
Also the events are included (as you would expect), although I don't think lunch and dinner are, I might be wrong though my memory is a little hazy on that.
Dinner was a tenner I think? Not sure about lunch. Its an expensive hotel so budget plenty for food and drink. Managed to find the cash for my ticket, taking the wife, she can use the rather nice spa while I game so it's win win for me. I'll be at WHW on the Friday with my dark mechanicum...
warboss wrote: Is that how much the previous HH events were priced at as well? You can go to a five day convention like gencon signed up for games in every slot for less than the HH weekender price.
Yep £70 ($109.58 US)
Although the plane ticket to Gen Con may take it above the £70
Also the events are included (as you would expect), although I don't think lunch and dinner are, I might be wrong though my memory is a little hazy on that.
You could argue travel would take the Weekender above £70 as well though.
Got mine yesterday. Very nice book. Poster is beefy and mine is made of some sort of card. Solar Auxillia is an interesting list at first glance. No Chimera hulls, super heavies as Heavy Support options though no Minotaur's included for some reason. Stormhammer looks wicked. Loads o' gunz (10 of them!!). There's a picture of it in the book. Sponson-tastic
Alpharius wrote: Someone PLEASE post that stats for the Stormhammer - I've been waiting a LOOOOOOONG time for 'official' rules for this Superheavy!
A pic wouldn't hurt too, of course!
I haven't got me pic to hand, but:
14/13/12 at 10HP Little over 500pts
Turret mounted stormhammer cannon (60" S9, AP2 with 7" blast, shred and pinning) Co-axial multilaser 6 sponson mounted multilasers/3 per side (can be upgraded to Heavy Bolters, Heavy Flamers or Lascannons) One hull mounted dual battlecannon 1 Hull mounted lascannon
And can be upgraded to BS4!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Valdor tank hunter is nice. It lost the stupid feedback rule and is actually a decent tank hunter now. Similar to the Sicaran Venator. Leman Russ Incinerator with Volkite Demi-Culverin (Think Volkite Culverin except approaching Plasma Cannon stats. Still only AP5 though) in Squadrons of 3.
Edit: Actually really peeved about no Minotaur in the Solar Auxilla list. There are even pictures of it below the list entries. Damn Forgeworld teasing. - just spotted that you can take them, but will need to buy another book for the rules
Veletaris storm section - 10 BS4 guardsmen with Volkite chargers for a little over a ton and are a troop choice? Yes please!
Super heavies everywhere - Valdor, Malcador and Malcador Infernus are Heavy Support
Leman Russ Squadron is a Fast Attack Choice - can choose from standard tank, Annihilator, Vanquisher and Exterminator
Bombards can be upgraded with Seismic Shock Shells - Adds Concussive and Sunder
Infantry Tercio can take an Aegis Defence Line instead of Dedicated Transport without using up a Force Org slot
Its worse when you've brought all of them as they were released and had them commission painted. FW really drives me up the wall with its bundles, always releasing them just after I brought the bits separately.
Most of the bundles look to be at a good discount, quite fancy the Brass Scorpion bundle.
Everything else I've heard is bitching however. The Malcador is such a nice looking model, but may very well be the worst superheavy in the game. As a heavy support, well, it actually has a role.
Turret mounted stormhammer cannon (60" S9, AP2 with 7" blast, shred and pinning)
Co-axial multilaser
6 sponson mounted multilasers/3 per side (can be upgraded to Heavy Bolters, Heavy Flamers or Lascannons)
One hull mounted dual battlecannon
1 Hull mounted lascannon
Yeah, we need to see this picture in Book 4! I've tried doing a Google search for it, but came up with nothing. Would be much obliged if someone could post the image here.
Also, is the Stormhammer the first super-heavy to break the multiples-of-3 for numbers of HPs? It appears the structure points legacy is beginning to be left behind.
I suppose my scratch built version will still be OK to field, but why would they remove one of this Superheavy tank's defining features?
Yeah, I agree that the fully traversing double turret looks better. In any case, I don't see most gamers having an issue with you using a double turret model as long as you voluntarily limit the front turret to an arc consistent with the official model.
Lmao... you can only make one legal dreadought out of that bundle.... Good grief.
Looks legal to me, sonic dread comes with sonic blaster + chain fist. The former can be replaced with blastmaster and/or the chainfist replaced with missle launcher. Or are you referring to the fact that only one of the dreads has the doomsiren modeled on top? Kinda curious why they would sell it like that, the two dreads are otherwise identical
They are selling 2 dreadnoughts, a sonic and a regular. You get 2 dreadnought models, but can only field one of them without buying another arm or 2. You can either use the sonic variant or the regular one, the sonic weapons can't be used by a regular dreadnought.
As far as i can tell, all their bundles come with enough stuff to field all the models without buying extra (i could be wrong here).
EDIT: Actually, you can't field a regular dreadnought, the chainfist and missile launcher are on the same arm.....
Personally I much prefer it to the original design, and while I understand a lot of folk wanted "THAT Stormhammer", the new weapon layout makes far more sense - the old secondary turret could only traverse through the front arc anyway without shooting its own tracks off, so a Malcador-style mount works fine, and the old "yo I herd you liek turrets so I stuck turrets on yo turrets..." setup for the sponsons was odd IMO.
I'm actually a fan of the new stormhammer design. The double turreted version just looked too busy and messy. This version I can actually picture being a real tank and looks very compact and deadly.
