I know a lot of people have differing opinions regarding the Stormhammer... but $£%& the emperor I think it is glorious!!!
And yes BrookM the Krieg Civil War was definitely in the M40.... raises a cool question as to what the troops would have been like previously though...
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Yes, weren't the Death Korps created following the irradiation of Krieg in a nuclear Civil War? Prior to the nuclear war (i.e. Horus Heresy), regiments from Krieg would have lacked the distinctive hazardous environment themes, they would resemble Cadian regiments more than the Death Korps.
Whilst they wouldn't have the distinctive gas masks, and maybe the long greatcoats, I don't see anything to suggest they would look like Cadians? Based on the design cues of their aesthetic, an early WWI or late 19th theme seems more likely to me. The weaponry is probably identical, as they are still likely to be using the Lucius pattern equipment with Lucius being the closest major FW.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Yes, weren't the Death Korps created following the irradiation of Krieg in a nuclear Civil War? Prior to the nuclear war (i.e. Horus Heresy), regiments from Krieg would have lacked the distinctive hazardous environment themes, they would resemble Cadian regiments more than the Death Korps.
Yeah they were post Heresy by a mile, I worded that very poorly. I'm hoping some form of Imperial Army unit will have the rules/equipment to allow me to use Engineers with shotguns, demo charges etc in a 30k army. Imperial Army units were incredibly diverse so they wouldn't look out of place in my opinion, I just really want to find a use for the models so I have an excuse to buy them.
Hey, has anyone else had an order recently that's taken ages to be dispatched? I don't know if FW are snowed under or not but I made an order two weeks ago and its only been acknowledged.
sierra 1247 wrote: Hey, has anyone else had an order recently that's taken ages to be dispatched? I don't know if FW are snowed under or not but I made an order two weeks ago and its only been acknowledged.
It does take a little while sometimes, I think they prettyyyy much cast to order, and they had to cast up loads of stuff for the weekender so there's probably a little bit of backlog they're clearing through. Give them a ring if in doubt.
sierra 1247 wrote: Hey, has anyone else had an order recently that's taken ages to be dispatched? I don't know if FW are snowed under or not but I made an order two weeks ago and its only been acknowledged.
Ether that or if pollux was in it since preorder.
I just got a conformation that he left the building this morning.
sierra 1247 wrote: Hey, has anyone else had an order recently that's taken ages to be dispatched? I don't know if FW are snowed under or not but I made an order two weeks ago and its only been acknowledged.
Ether that or if pollux was in it since preorder.
I just got a conformation that he left the building this morning.
No, I ordered the Cadian hostile environment melta/plasma conversion kits and the solar auxilia Flamer squad.
Actually that's probably it then.
sierra 1247 wrote: Hey, has anyone else had an order recently that's taken ages to be dispatched? I don't know if FW are snowed under or not but I made an order two weeks ago and its only been acknowledged.
Nope you're not the only one. I made a £200 order on the 9th of January that didn't turn up. After a while I called them and asked them what was going on. I got told that they were waiting for something to arrive and then they'd pack it up and send it off. I waited another week and still nothing.
I rang again on the 13th of Feb and was told a completely different story. I was told that my package was actually sent on the 9th of January when I ordered it and that they'd actually sent my order to some lucky fellow in the states. So on the 13th of Feb after a few words over the phone they offered me free express shipping on my next order and said that they'd send the order out again to the correct address along with an email with the order number. It's now the 23rd of Feb and I still haven't had the order I placed around 45 days ago. I did speak to them this morning and they told me that if it isn't here by Friday, I should ring back and get them to send another lot out.
I never had a problem with their customer service before but this is getting a bit silly.
I live just under 2 hours away from Warhammer World...
It can be a clusterfeth from time to time. I had a missing piece once that I called about, they'd promise I'd get it express shipped as soon as possible. It did turn up, several months later after I've given up on it.
BrookM wrote: It can be a clusterfeth from time to time. I had a missing piece once that I called about, they'd promise I'd get it express shipped as soon as possible. It did turn up, several months later after I've given up on it.
It can be yea. Several months? Not surprised you gave up.
I want to make another order but I won't be doing until I get the one from January.
sierra 1247 wrote: Hey, has anyone else had an order recently that's taken ages to be dispatched? I don't know if FW are snowed under or not but I made an order two weeks ago and its only been acknowledged.
Nope you're not the only one. I made a £200 order on the 9th of January that didn't turn up. After a while I called them and asked them what was going on. I got told that they were waiting for something to arrive and then they'd pack it up and send it off. I waited another week and still nothing.
I rang again on the 13th of Feb and was told a completely different story. I was told that my package was actually sent on the 9th of January when I ordered it and that they'd actually sent my order to some lucky fellow in the states. So on the 13th of Feb after a few words over the phone they offered me free express shipping on my next order and said that they'd send the order out again to the correct address along with an email with the order number. It's now the 23rd of Feb and I still haven't had the order I placed around 45 days ago. I did speak to them this morning and they told me that if it isn't here by Friday, I should ring back and get them to send another lot out.
I never had a problem with their customer service before but this is getting a bit silly.
I live just under 2 hours away from Warhammer World...
It's not just you.
In the past, I'd order something over the weekend, I would get a "Shipped" notification on Tuesday, and receive the item the following Tuesday. Almost like clockwork, for over a dozen orders. My last two orders took a month to receive, nothing was back-ordered, and one item was pre-order (but I only ordered it 3 days before the release date).
I'm thinking of picking up a vanilla CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA in a few months or so and I'm curious if anybody else around here also has one, if so, could you tell me how pose-able the model is (both arms and legs), aside from the inflexible ammo feed running from shoulder-mounted weapon to lower back?
BrookM wrote: I'm thinking of picking up a vanilla CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA in a few months or so and I'm curious if anybody else around here also has one, if so, could you tell me how pose-able the model is (both arms and legs), aside from the inflexible ammo feed running from shoulder-mounted weapon to lower back?
The legs and arms are solid pieces with hands and feet separate pieces and a little room for articulation. The arms and legs connect to the torso and crotch with a sorta ball and socket giving a degree of possibility. With the main gun being shoulder mounted it doesn't need much articulation. I found you can bend under hot water or shave down the ammo belt as needed.
BrookM wrote: I'm thinking of picking up a vanilla CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA in a few months or so and I'm curious if anybody else around here also has one, if so, could you tell me how pose-able the model is (both arms and legs), aside from the inflexible ammo feed running from shoulder-mounted weapon to lower back?
The legs and arms are solid pieces with hands and feet separate pieces and a little room for articulation. The arms and legs connect to the torso and crotch with a sorta ball and socket giving a degree of possibility. With the main gun being shoulder mounted it doesn't need much articulation. I found you can bend under hot water or shave down the ammo belt as needed.
Thanks! On the one hand, sad that the arms and legs can't be posed as much as I had hoped, but on the other hand, less parts for FW to fudge up when casting it.
Don't forget to put a CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA in your CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA so you can CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA while you CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA.
Ashiraya wrote: Don't forget to put a CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA in your CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA so you can CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA while you CASTELLAX BATTLE-AUTOMATA.
-100 points for trying too hard to be funny with something that just doesn't work. Now if it was a transport like the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT...
I really want some of those Scyllax guys, but I have a horrible feeling with regards to how many of those little syringe pieces will be broken in transport.
Darth Bob wrote: I really want some of those Scyllax guys, but I have a horrible feeling with regards to how many of those little syringe pieces will be broken in transport.
I have the same fear, but being able to bring weaponised dubstep to the field of battle makes it a risk I'm willing to take.
More notes courtesy of Mr Shaggy from The Bolthole , more notes from the HH Weekender
Tempest.
Alan Bligh, Andy Hoare, Tony Cottrell
The other totally packed-out seminar… previewing Book 5 of the FW hardbacks.
Release date – Spring 2015, hopefully in time for the Grand ReOpening of Warhammer World in May.
Book 5 is about the Word Bearers’ assault on Calth – covers about 30 hours of battle. Does NOT cover the underworld war, that comes later.
Factions covered – Ultramarines, Word Bearers, Mechanicum, Imperial Militia, Warp Cults, Knights Titan Legions.
AB: Background on the XIII Legion – the biggest legion of them all, approx ¼ million legionaries. More background on the Word Bearers and how they are changing. More background on Knights and Titans, including one loyalist Titan Legion that dies on Calth. Army lists – militia and cults, Some new Legion units.
Calth – is representative of the Imperium as a whole, a work in progress, growing – and smashed by the Horus Heresy.
AH: A new Knight house (didn’t hear it very well – something like Vornher?) – the largest in the Segmentum. We created them specifically to destroy them… although there may be a handful (not on Calth) that may survive.
TC: Book 6 will probably cover the Shadow Crusade – hopefully will be released before the end of the year/ Will hopefully cover the World Eaters, the underworld war, etc.
Also planning an FW ‘Modelling Masterclass’ book, to be brought out between Books 5 & 6.
Then Book 7 – Prospero?
The next Primarch model in the Character series will be Guilliman – also hopefully ready for May.
Q: Are you going to produce rules for the Shattered Legions?
AB: We couldn’t fit it into Book 4. The Shettered Legions will require a different approach, all based around small-unit rules for Marines. We’re not sure what book it will go in – unlikely to be the next one… maybe a separate smaller book? Not sure yet.
Q: Can you tell us more about the Imperial Militia and Warp Cults?
AB: This won’t be a huge army list – you will have numbers on your side, but not much in the way of elite forces. Lots of diverse options, from poorly-equipped troops with outdated weapons to something closer to that of the Imperial Army.
Q: Will Daemon Angron be in the next book?
AB: Wait and see…
Q: When you come to do Prospero, which models will you bring out first – the 1000 Sons or the Space Wolves?
TC: We’ll do them both at the same time.
Q: How did you choose the weapons for Guilliman, seeing as he’s known to have a huge armoury of them.
TC: There was a lot of debate over that one, we finally went with power first and sword.
AB: There was a vast selection available, but all of the primarchs have such.
TC: And they are all followed by a little caddy? <laughter>
AB: Fist and sword seemed particularly symbolic for Guilliman.
AH: He’s armed as he was at the end of “Betrayer”.
Q: Will the two Calth books be done as a boxed set?
TC: We may do a slip case for the two.
Q: Will we see a weapons upgrade pack of gladii for the Ultramarines?
TC: Possibly.
Q: Will there be much on daemons in the Calth books?
AB: More in the second than in the first.
AH: They’ll only be mentioned relatively briefly, there’s not enough warp presence initially for them to manifest much.
Q: When will we get the character model of Corax?
TC: <hints at him being released before Russ & Magnus> Some of the preparation work has already been done, but there’s not a fixed schedule.
Q: Which characters of the XIII Legion will get rules?
AB: Guilliman, a certain dreadnought, a very important captain. Some will be saved for the second Calth book. There will be 2-3 speciality units.
TC: And there will be at least one new Word Bearers character, plus revised rules for some of the existing EB characters.
Q: Prospero – what will be in it? And what do you see as being the main challenge?
AB: It will be hard to do the Custodes and Sisters Of Silence properly. Plus various agents of either side. Doing the Thousand Sons will be tricky – got to get the psychic rules just right.
Q: Will there be rules for Oll Persson and other non-Astartes?
AB: Probably not… but we may eventually do an “Agents Of…” book.
Q: <sorry, didn’t hear the question>
AB: One thing that is covered in Book 5 is what the Ultramarines were like and what they did before Guilliman was found. What Ultramar is, why the XIII Legion is so large, and why the Emperor lets them have what is basically their own mini empire – the reason for them ruling 500+ worlds.
Q: What will you be doing on the Mechanicum in Book 5?
AB: A few new units, some updates. There is an eventual plan to have a Mechanicum red book.
TC: The Ordinatus is NOT in Book 5.
Q: Will there be a book on the Death Of Innocence? < civil war on Mars>
AB: We’ve always planned on it, might include the blockade of Mars, the Solar War, etc.
Q: Will Argel Tal appear in Book 5?
AB+TC: Not in that book – maybe Book 6.
Q: Can you give us details on the new Legion units?
AB: A new fighter, a Stormbird – mainly vehicles this time.
Q: Can you give us any details on the campaign system in Book 5?
AH: It will be in a similar format to the other books. We want to avoid making it the wargame of “Know No Fear”. It will be broken down into 3 phases, and you will need to win all 3. If you win, you won’t save Calth – the objective is to survive and preserve as much as possible. Plus there will be some generic missions.
Q: Covering the changes in the various Traitor Legions, will you provide optional upgrade to existing army lists or bring out new lists?
AB: A bit of both. There will be more Rites Of War. There will be some extra units, some existing units will just be changed.
Q: How do you temper the rules when creating Primarchs?
AB: Right from the start we worked out the various power levels etc for all of the Primarchs and Legions – collaborated with John French.
Q: The XIII Legion have always been very ‘vanilla’ in 40K – how do you get past that on the tabletop in 30K?
AB: Ignore 40K. Examine what they are in 30K and it develops from there.
Q: Will there be any more legion relics in the campaign system?
AB: Probably… but no ‘book of relics’.
Q: Is there any reason that you have bypassed some of the Primarchs when bringing out character models?
TC: It’s not that easy to do them all in order – we will come back to do Corax, Perturabo etc… just prioritising.
AB: It’s a little hard to do rules for the Imperial Fists at Phall, so it was kind of hard to Dorn at that time.
Q: The new Guilliman model – will you be making it a set with Lorgar? (a la Fulgrim & Ferrus)
TC: No.
Q: Will you do the mission of the story in “Macragge’s Honour”?
AH: There will be some mission/campaign stuff related to it.
Thanks! I've been trying to get them to update the corsairs since the eldar book came out, I'm wondering if they were waiting until all the other eldar factions got an update...
I want them too ... also excited for Custodes. But they think it will be hard to incorporate them ... hopefully they figure it out because these models have the potential to be awesome.
I do wish that the whole Ultramar thing would have just been one book though but I also thought Istvaan should have been two total (one for the cleansing of the traitor legions and the other for the dropsite massacre). If a book centeres largely on two legions like Calth, it shouldn't drag on for two books. I realize that Angron and his angry men are there two but they've already been covered... twice! That of course doesn't jive with stretching out the HH for 20 years though. It'll take several times longer for FW to cover the HH than it took in the fluff for it to actually happen. :( And it'll still be more succinct than BL's coverage which has officially turned every individual french fry in your order that you want to eat into a 4 course meal.
warboss wrote: I do wish that the whole Ultramar thing would have just been one book though but I also thought Istvaan should have been two total (one for the cleansing of the traitor legions and the other for the dropsite massacre). If a book centeres largely on two legions like Calth, it shouldn't drag on for two books. I realize that Angron and his angry men are there two but they've already been covered... twice!
I do sort of agree - I wish they had covered everyone in the first 4-5 books and THEN gone back to revisit and progress stories. I'm a little hesitant to start a 30k army until I've seen what SW or TS or the other legions look like. And because the books are produced at such an amazing quality, it'll be probably 2 years before WS or BA see any rules
Still, I'm excited for book 7 I think it'll come down to which Primarch looks more badass when I decide how I approach Prospero!
The prospero one might be the first I buy. I'm primarily a Blood Angel player but the both the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons interest me from a visual and modelling perspective and would be the only ones I'd consider making a tiny truescale force for.
warboss wrote: I do wish that the whole Ultramar thing would have just been one book though but I also thought Istvaan should have been two total (one for the cleansing of the traitor legions and the other for the dropsite massacre). If a book centeres largely on two legions like Calth, it shouldn't drag on for two books. I realize that Angron and his angry men are there two but they've already been covered... twice! That of course doesn't jive with stretching out the HH for 20 years though. It'll take several times longer for FW to cover the HH than it took in the fluff for it to actually happen. :( And it'll still be more succinct than BL's coverage which has officially turned every individual french fry in your order that you want to eat into a 4 course meal.
Look on the bright side - Calth will be two books. If Black Library were in charge of this series we'd get separate books (limited edition event-only books!) for what Guilliman had for lunch each day of the campaign.
warboss wrote: I do wish that the whole Ultramar thing would have just been one book though but I also thought Istvaan should have been two total (one for the cleansing of the traitor legions and the other for the dropsite massacre). If a book centeres largely on two legions like Calth, it shouldn't drag on for two books. I realize that Angron and his angry men are there two but they've already been covered... twice! That of course doesn't jive with stretching out the HH for 20 years though. It'll take several times longer for FW to cover the HH than it took in the fluff for it to actually happen. :( And it'll still be more succinct than BL's coverage which has officially turned every individual french fry in your order that you want to eat into a 4 course meal.
Look on the bright side - Calth will be two books. If Black Library were in charge of this series we'd get separate books (limited edition even-only books!) for what Guilliman had for lunch each day of the campaign.
And it's not Calth is two books, it's Calth, the whole Underground War, and the whole of the Shadow Crusade.
warboss wrote: I do wish that the whole Ultramar thing would have just been one book though but I also thought Istvaan should have been two total (one for the cleansing of the traitor legions and the other for the dropsite massacre). If a book centeres largely on two legions like Calth, it shouldn't drag on for two books. I realize that Angron and his angry men are there two but they've already been covered... twice! That of course doesn't jive with stretching out the HH for 20 years though. It'll take several times longer for FW to cover the HH than it took in the fluff for it to actually happen. :( And it'll still be more succinct than BL's coverage which has officially turned every individual french fry in your order that you want to eat into a 4 course meal.
Look on the bright side - Calth will be two books. If Black Library were in charge of this series we'd get separate books (limited edition even-only books!) for what Guilliman had for lunch each day of the campaign.
And it's not Calth is two books, it's Calth, the whole Underground War, and the whole of the Shadow Crusade.
So three books? Because they said the Underground War isn't in Tempest.
Yeah 2 books, book 6 for both the Shadow Crusade and Underground War. My point was its not like it's 2 books for just one event, its a monumental battle, the following years of fighting under the surface, and the whole of the crusades against the 500 worlds. It's quite a lot, too much for 1 book if they want to go into detail.
ImAGeek wrote: Yeah 2 books, book 6 for both the Shadow Crusade and Underground War. My point was its not like it's 2 books for just one event, its a monumental battle, the following years of fighting under the surface, and the whole of the crusades against the 500 worlds. It's quite a lot, too much for 1 book if they want to go into detail.
Yes, I agree that it would be alot for one book but they don't have to cover all 3 events in a single book. My point is rather that they can come back to it later and that they're limiting their potential playerbase because they're not covering a new legion with the second book and instead retreading apparently ones that they'll already have covered once (for UM) and twice (for World Eaters and Bearers). In the meantime, the space wolves, dark angels, blood angels, white scars, thousand sons, etc haven't been covered even once. It'd be fine if just one new legion was introduced in the new book (like if they did a Dark Angels vs Night Lords one) but zero new legions in the new book that'll likely be the last for 2015? Nah, not a fan of that idea. There is nothing stopping them from returning to the Realm of Ultramar to continue the previous story after others have all gotten a smidgen of spotlight.
honestly, since i don't play, i am fine waiting for Space Wolves and Blood Angels...
i love the content of the books, so far, and prefer that they keep up the in-depth quality of the background...
i can see how the release schedule can be frustrating for players, but i am enjoying it...
i am savoring each french fry, Warboss...
I see FW e-mails are still taking the pee. Earlier this week they were advertising for Black Library, now they're "reminding" us about the Character Series......
Baragash wrote: I see FW e-mails are still taking the pee. Earlier this week they were advertising for Black Library, now they're "reminding" us about the Character Series......
It's funny, of the 4 characters with rules for my legion, the 2 I have are the ones that do not have models.
tedurur wrote: So much for the rumors suggesting DA would be done soon
Which rumours were they? We don't really get rumours for FW stuff, they pretty much tell us their plans. Plans often change though. But I don't remember DA ever being said to be that soon...
Dinamarth wrote: Dear Forgeworld, please bring out Dorn and Sigismund soon.
I second that! But I doubt its gonna happen. They messed up Sigismund (which turned out to be the IF Legion Command model) and pushed back Dorn because of his huge chainsword. We may not see them before the war reaches Terra ...
tedurur wrote: So much for the rumors suggesting DA would be done soon
Which rumours were they? We don't really get rumours for FW stuff, they pretty much tell us their plans. Plans often change though. But I don't remember DA ever being said to be that soon...
Read some time agaon on B&C that DA would be in the 6th book. Guess that was simply not true
Doubt we'd see Sigismund for quite some time. Looking at the release pattern for FW, it's generally 1 primarch and 1 character series model or duo set. The Fists have had Pollux with Dorn probably some time later this year/early next year and that's probably it for a while.
tedurur wrote: So much for the rumors suggesting DA would be done soon
Which rumours were they? We don't really get rumours for FW stuff, they pretty much tell us their plans. Plans often change though. But I don't remember DA ever being said to be that soon...
Read some time agaon on B&C that DA would be in the 6th book. Guess that was simply not true
Well it would've been true at the time, but like I said, plans change. I think Prospero was meant to be book 4/5 originally, and it's book 7 now.
tedurur wrote: So much for the rumors suggesting DA would be done soon
Which rumours were they? We don't really get rumours for FW stuff, they pretty much tell us their plans. Plans often change though. But I don't remember DA ever being said to be that soon...
Read some time agaon on B&C that DA would be in the 6th book. Guess that was simply not true
Well it would've been true at the time, but like I said, plans change. I think Prospero was meant to be book 4/5 originally, and it's book 7 now.
With Pollux finished and released and Dynat already finished and ready to go to production, I'm betting Dorn or Alpharius will be next after Guilliman. Though, that comment on Dorn may mean Corax is more likely.
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Those rules are interesting. The Praevian in particular could make some nasty robot units with the ability to make them preferred enemy, as well as giving them Legionnes Astartes.
Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.
Yodhrin wrote: Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.
What's stopping someone from just converting them?
Yodhrin wrote: Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.
What's stopping someone from just converting them?
That's not an argument against anything, because it applies to everything. It's technically possible to sculpt every model you'll use yourself from the armature up, that doesn't make this kind of thing any more sensible. Some people like using the actual special character model for that special character. Some people might not have the skill or time to make a conversion they'd be comfortable putting down on the table in front of other people. Some people might just like the way the actual model looks and want one.
What's stopping FW from just selling the models? It just makes no sense to me to go to all the hassle of putting together specific rules for special character models and then make it completely impractical for most people to actually acquire said models. I've always thought "event-only" stuff is daft, but at least they're usually either models for which alternatives already exist or which represent stuff that's not in the games at all - doing it with legit special characters and putting out rules for them is practically taunting the folk who want one but can't get it for whatever reason.
Yodhrin wrote: Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.
I know I was glad of Warlord Games making an agreement with (I think it was) Adepticon that the special Dick Winters model was available online during the convention. Its not as if I would have splashed to pop across and get it.
The same for Victoria Lamb. Last year it was the Arcadian standard bearer, this year the Tannenburg officer although those were in limited numbers.
FW would never do that, they seem determined to drive people to their own events and ones they support. I'm guessing they are highly profitable otherwise they would have been cut already along with the GW events to save money.
The gouging is very easy to fix, just limit the number of any one item you are allowed to buy if it is a limited release. Character models or books (this applies to BL as well) you only need one, some units should be two or three at most.
Does the current policy hurt people who can't or won't go to the shows? Of course. They could do a points system to 'earn' the right to buy a limited model outside of a show at the end of the year (when they'd be stopping production anyway), but they'd never be able to keep track of it, free shipping vouchers give them enough trouble as it is.
Yodhrin wrote: Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.
Exalted.
They could probably make a small fortune from charging for such livecasts and selling special models online during them.
Yodhrin wrote: Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.
Exalted.
They could probably make a small fortune from charging for such livecasts and selling special models online during them.
Even if you don't want to convert the characters, there's literally nothing stopping you from making your own Praevian or Delegatus. These are just an Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion version of a role fulfilled by others in other Legions. In fact, the rules specifically provide a template for you to create your own.
For that matter, I don't think there's really anything special about these guys' rules other than them being a Praevian/Delegatus.
The special character profiles might not see much use, but those datasheets allow you to use Consul-Praevians and Consul-Delegatus in any Legion, so you will see the rules used a lot. The event only models are just examples of that type of consul. That is probably why they bothered making rules for them, because they are also making an additional option for Legion lists to take with each one. Hence why I said the rules are interesting.
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Darth Bob wrote: Even if you don't want to convert the characters, there's literally nothing stopping you from making your own Praevian or Delegatus. These are just an Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion version of a role fulfilled by others in other Legions. In fact, the rules specifically provide a template for you to create your own.
For that matter, I don't think there's really anything special about these guys' rules other than them being a Praevian/Delegatus.
I think the only differences are the Iron Warrior gets W3, and I can't remember if Consuls usually have the option for master crafted weapons.
Looks like I might be waiting a while for any SW chars as expected, wondering if they will make Bjorn as a special char ?
Baragash wrote: I see FW e-mails are still taking the pee. Earlier this week they were advertising for Black Library, now they're "reminding" us about the Character Series......
Yep, how dare they email me twice in two days !
It was such a chore to hit delete.
First encountered during the Battle of Ithraca amidst the catastrophe on Calth, the twisted form of the Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought is terrifying in both its aspect and its unearthly power. The first Mhara Gal is believed to have been created from the barely living remains of a Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren and a battle-shattered Contemptor Dreadnought chassis, both recovered from the blood-soaked ground of Isstvan V. Fused together by unholy practices, they were then corrupted by a warp-borne power, giving birth to a new monstrosity – a living engine of war and hatred.
The Word Bearers Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought is a fearsome opponent in battle. Wielding a warpfire plasma cannon and tainted power claw, it is formidable both at range and in close combat, its blows slicing through armour and energy fields alike. Its warp-twisted reactor and the daemonic powers gifted to it by dark forces make it all the more deadly, even breaking the bonds of reality around the Mhara Gal to allow it to walk through obstacles as if they were not there at all.
This new addition to the Horus Heresy Character Series is a complete multi-part resin kit and is packaged in a black presentation box. Experimental rules for using the Word Bearers Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought in games set during the Horus Heresy can be found HERE.
See GW - this is how you do Chaos. No silly skulls and spikes. Instead you have a sinister biomechanical abomination. Would make an excellent 40k contemptor stand in as well.
I wasn't expecting it to be that much larger, but then I guess this is to Contemptors what a Gal Vorbak is to a normal Marine.
The bit that is confusing me is that it isn't a character (you can take as many as you can fit into Elites) yet it is in the HH Character Series? I guess that is just because it is a damn nice sculpt, and that is coming from someone who doesn't like daemonic stuff.
Haighus wrote: I wasn't expecting it to be that much larger, but then I guess this is to Contemptors what a Gal Vorbak is to a normal Marine.
The bit that is confusing me is that it isn't a character (you can take as many as you can fit into Elites) yet it is in the HH Character Series? I guess that is just because it is a damn nice sculpt, and that is coming from someone who doesn't like daemonic stuff.
Yeah that confused me a bit too. Possibly just because it has the level of detail of a character sculpt. I'd say maybe so they can charge more but the price is about right compared to a normal Contemptor.
Yeah, it is only £2 more than a standard Contemptor, but you get a fancy box, and a noticeably larger and more detailed sculpt. By FW standards, it is a bit of a bargain I agree that the level of detail is the most likely factor in making it a Character Series.
That thing looks amazing, its rules also seem very very good, for a dreadnought. Almost too good, I reckon it will see an increae to 250-260 to take them
First encountered during the Battle of Ithraca amidst the catastrophe on Calth, the twisted form of the Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought is terrifying in both its aspect and its unearthly power. The first Mhara Gal is believed to have been created from the barely living remains of a Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren and a battle-shattered Contemptor Dreadnought chassis, both recovered from the blood-soaked ground of Isstvan V. Fused together by unholy practices, they were then corrupted by a warp-borne power, giving birth to a new monstrosity – a living engine of war and hatred.
The Word Bearers Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought is a fearsome opponent in battle. Wielding a warpfire plasma cannon and tainted power claw, it is formidable both at range and in close combat, its blows slicing through armour and energy fields alike. Its warp-twisted reactor and the daemonic powers gifted to it by dark forces make it all the more deadly, even breaking the bonds of reality around the Mhara Gal to allow it to walk through obstacles as if they were not there at all.
This new addition to the Horus Heresy Character Series is a complete multi-part resin kit and is packaged in a black presentation box. Experimental rules for using the Word Bearers Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought in games set during the Horus Heresy can be found HERE.
See GW - this is how you do Chaos. No silly skulls and spikes. Instead you have a sinister biomechanical abomination. Would make an excellent 40k contemptor stand in as well.
The rules are pretty beastly too.
Does anyone get a vibe that the model was inspired by the movie "The Thing." It looks like the scene when the persons stomach opened up as a mouth and chopped off the persons hands.
Lord Blackscale wrote: I want to see that thing in Zone Mortalis! Doors? We don't need no stinking doors!
yeah man, im also thinking that will clean up in a 'cities of death' battle.
the only reason i'm not quietly s#|++|ng it, is cause i play ordo reductor and i have stuff that can damage it; i feel a bit sorry for loyalist marine players.
still, at least there is a reason to take thallax in a legion list now. deep striking tank hunting lightning guns ftw!
Holy crap, I thought it was rather pricy at first, but when I saw the rules I was pretty shocked.
- Reduces heat or plasma based weapons by -1S
- Most models assaulting it suffer -1 to hit.
- Instead of exploding normally you get a S6 Ap5 7" Blast!!
- All Daemons and Psykers witihn 6" take S5 Ap2 hits!
- S10 Ap2 DCCW that forces re-rolls of successful Invuln saves!
- S8 Ap2 Plasma Cannon by default.
The bit that is confusing me is that it isn't a character (you can take as many as you can fit into Elites) yet it is in the HH Character Series? I guess that is just because it is a damn nice sculpt, and that is coming from someone who doesn't like daemonic stuff.
On the other hand I like demonic stuff and don't find this piece all that interesting or inspired. They made it taller by adding a chaosy section to the thighs and making the body egg shaped, but lost the basic shape of the Contemptor body. Its just a chaos egg on Contemptor legs. Take a plastic egg, add some teeth and some runes, some chaosy guts/worms and a horn to the helmet and done... Don't think that paint job does it any favors either.
Personally i thnk the sculpt looks fantastic - that bit in it's speel about how it was fused together from parts of destroyed contemptor chassis' is spot on; the legs in particular had me staring at them for about five minuites looking at 'how they had been damaged before'
a deserving entry into the character series!
doesn't the demon rule give it an invulnerable save? this thing gets better and better the more you think about it!!
The S5 AP2 hits on Daemons within 6" is actually going to be a disadvantage for the Dreadnought more often than not I think, in the context of 30k at least. Daemons are pretty uncommon, so the most likely Daemons for this thing to come into contact with will be other units in the same Word Bearers force. For example, if any Gal Vorbak come within 6", they are going to start taking casualties. It basically has to operate alone to some extent, within a more Daemonic Word Bearers force at least.
The effect on Psykers could be entertaining against Thousand Sons though...
i'm not a fan of this Dread, either, SlaveToDorkness...
not a surprise, as i didn't like the look of the Gal Vorbak...
this Dread just looks like a jumbled mess to me, and the Gal Vorbak look like they have been mutated by 'Nids, more than Chaos...
i like their size, but not their style...
As a mutated dread, it looks great, i.e. totally disgusting, just as it should.
The only obvious downside is if you want more than one - fielding two identical models would just look sad. Have to buy the loyalist version and mutate it with a hacksaw and loads of green stuff, I guess...
jah-joshua wrote: i'm not a fan of this Dread, either, SlaveToDorkness...
not a surprise, as i didn't like the look of the Gal Vorbak...
this Dread just looks like a jumbled mess to me, and the Gal Vorbak look like they have been mutated by 'Nids, more than Chaos...
i like their size, but not their style...
Johnson101 wrote: That thing looks amazing, its rules also seem very very good, for a dreadnought. Almost too good, I reckon it will see an increae to 250-260 to take them
I suspect not.
Edit: Oh, damn, posting a pic of a whole page is probably not a good idea.
Anyway, he is in the book and his stats are just like the experimental ones, all the way down to points cost.
The bit that is confusing me is that it isn't a character (you can take as many as you can fit into Elites) yet it is in the HH Character Series? I guess that is just because it is a damn nice sculpt, and that is coming from someone who doesn't like daemonic stuff.
On the other hand I like demonic stuff and don't find this piece all that interesting or inspired. They made it taller by adding a chaosy section to the thighs and making the body egg shaped, but lost the basic shape of the Contemptor body. Its just a chaos egg on Contemptor legs. Take a plastic egg, add some teeth and some runes, some chaosy guts/worms and a horn to the helmet and done... Don't think that paint job does it any favors either.
The bit that is confusing me is that it isn't a character (you can take as many as you can fit into Elites) yet it is in the HH Character Series? I guess that is just because it is a damn nice sculpt, and that is coming from someone who doesn't like daemonic stuff.
On the other hand I like demonic stuff and don't find this piece all that interesting or inspired. They made it taller by adding a chaosy section to the thighs and making the body egg shaped, but lost the basic shape of the Contemptor body. Its just a chaos egg on Contemptor legs. Take a plastic egg, add some teeth and some runes, some chaosy guts/worms and a horn to the helmet and done... Don't think that paint job does it any favors either.
The video of the new models is wonderful. It's great to see a high resolution closeup of the paint jobs they've done on their heresy line. I'd read that they used Tamiya clears on the models and it's very apparent in the closeup.
Koppo wrote: As promised, here is that video what I made of all of them knights.
They're knight TITANS! Get the nomenclature correct! Sorry, I just had to put that in there after years of PTSD due to being "corrected" by the knights aren't titans dakka mafia.
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So they send out a newsletter to say subscribe to their newsletter to win a Reaver? Guess I'm already entered as I got the newsletter but it seems like a weird way to get people to subscribe.
BrookM wrote: Huh, I wouldn't even know what to do with such a beast should I win one. I'd prolly be without an opponent pronto.
Sell it!
Nah, then people will haggle for ages, bitch about how they shouldn't have to pay for shipping and then, finally when the purchase is finalized, something is bound to break during transit demanding a full refund.
Maybe I'm wrong, but reading the rules i wonder if GW realizes that it's contest rules are legally null in about half of Europe.
These rules are governed by the laws of England and any dispute relating to the promotion will be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts. Entry indicates acceptance of the rules as final and legally binding.
The ;laws of England bit would be OK, but because you are automatically entered if you already have an account with them (A requirement ot order their products these days) that last part means that anyplace there's no 'implied consent' this goes right out the window.
So not only am I unable to unsubscribe from their stupid newsletter, the one time being subscribed has a benefit I can't participate in. feth you forge world, I hope you're replaced by the Chinese.
Ok sent an Email to FW about why Australia can't enter.
Hi XXXXX
Thanks for your email. Regrettably we are unable to include customers who live in Australia in our Forge World Newsletter competition as we are prohibited by Australian competition law as per the Competition and Consumer Act 2010.
If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Thanatos73 wrote: So they send out a newsletter to say subscribe to their newsletter to win a Reaver? Guess I'm already entered as I got the newsletter but it seems like a weird way to get people to subscribe.
I think they are counting on people who are already subscribed posting it to Facebook, Twitter and forums because FW aren't allowed to use them any more. But why would you do that as it means more competition? I wonder if they will let you have the Chaos Reaver instead as its the same price.
Thanatos73 wrote: So they send out a newsletter to say subscribe to their newsletter to win a Reaver? Guess I'm already entered as I got the newsletter but it seems like a weird way to get people to subscribe.
The competition is on the frontpage of FW right now.
Once again, GW and their kin fail to use the internet properly.
The only way to sign up for the FW newsletter is to send them an email. There's no field on the site to paste an address into. An email contains far more than just the sender's (supposed) address, like the email provider the sender uses. This isn't always implied by the email address itself.
I know, I'm being overly paranoid, but years dealing with internet security makes me twitchy when the basics get done badly. Why can't I just paste in an address?
xera32 wrote:Ok sent an Email to FW about why Australia can't enter.
Hi XXXXX
Thanks for your email. Regrettably we are unable to include customers who live in Australia in our Forge World Newsletter competition as we are prohibited by Australian competition law as per the Competition and Consumer Act 2010.
If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Regards, Forge World
Um, does it really matter?
It's an email competition and you're entered via your email address. As long as you don't have an obviously Australian email address, enter anyway. If you get the 'winner' email, just tell them a UK address of someone who can forward it on to you.
In fact, tell them my address. I'll happily forward to any Aussie Dakkanauts out there...
TalonZahn wrote: I can't seem to sign up for the newsletter, lol....
I have an account and if I click on that link, it kicks back an Email as undeliverable.
The only Aussie I would ship to is HBMC, because he makes me laugh.
Same here. I'm on my work computer, so didn't want to subscribe using my work email address.
You'd think copying and pasting the email address to a new email would work - but I got an undeliverable message too. Could their email servers be down?
I'll jump on the bandwagon and say I'll ship it to an Aussie as well. Of course you only have to trust a complete stranger on the internet to not screw you over, but hey.
Countries: Worldwide excluding the States and Territories of Australia.
feth YOU FORGE WORLD.
feth YOU TO HELL AND BACK!
I really, really, REALLY, hope a Kiwi wins the bloody thing.
They probably count NZ as a territory of Australia
Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I suspect they forgot to exclude us but it's too late now, we're not on the exclusion list. So does that mean that someone from Samoa can enter but not Australia? Still don't get the hate for Oz.
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The entire f' ing world! ..... except Australia. So the competition is open to ISIS but not aussies!
Malika2 wrote: Hmm, why am I now thinking that this might be an elaborate April Fools prank by FW?
Well they did say they would pick the winner on April 1st
Poor planning, unless the jest is picking April 1st to keep people uncertain. But there's no way this could be a joke, as it would be the worst PR thing possible, not to mention possibly illegal if they collect the email addresses.
Theophony wrote: I hope you or another Aussie wins it, then models it with twin power fists flipping the bird with both hands at forgeworld/GW.
I guess you missed the part where FW isn't including Australia because Australian law doesn't allow them to? If you want to blame someone then blame your own government.
Theophony wrote: I hope you or another Aussie wins it, then models it with twin power fists flipping the bird with both hands at forgeworld/GW.
I guess you missed the part where FW isn't including Australia because Australian law doesn't allow them to? If you want to blame someone then blame your own government.
Because Australia is the only country on the planet with such weird laws that online competitions can't be held there. Anyone really believe that?
Meanwhile in a secret warehouse in Sumwearstan the leaders of North Korea and Iran eye each other warily as they sign up for the fw newsletter in the hopes that they'll be the one to scare the great satan with their new super weapon.
Theophony wrote: I hope you or another Aussie wins it, then models it with twin power fists flipping the bird with both hands at forgeworld/GW.
I guess you missed the part where FW isn't including Australia because Australian law doesn't allow them to? If you want to blame someone then blame your own government.
NTRabbit wrote: Australian law doesn't prohibit competitions fyi
Apparently it does in this case, because someone emailed FW about why Australian residents aren't eligible and FW said that it's because Australian law does not allow it.
Peregrine wrote: FW said that it's because Australian law does not allow it.
So because FW says it means it's a fact does it? That might be FW's reasoning for excluding Australians but whether or not it's actually the case remains to be seen.
Peregrine wrote: FW said that it's because Australian law does not allow it.
So because FW says it means it's a fact does it? That might be FW's reasoning for excluding Australians but whether or not it's actually the case remains to be seen.
So we just go straight to assuming they're lying, right?
Snrub wrote: So because FW says it means it's a fact does it? That might be FW's reasoning for excluding Australians but whether or not it's actually the case remains to be seen.
Do you actually have a plausible alternative reason, or are you just assuming they're lying because you don't like the answer? It certainly isn't because of shipping, because they're willing to ship it to a winner in any other country with high shipping costs.
It's true some states require a permit for lottery or chance style competitions regardless of value. They could have got around this quite simply by asking entrants to answer a simple question though. Simple.
Do you actually have a plausible alternative reason, or are you just assuming they're lying because you don't like the answer? It certainly isn't because of shipping, because they're willing to ship it to a winner in any other country with high shipping costs.
I have a plausible reason - I'm an Australian and I enter legal competitions run at home and abroad all the time, their excuse is flat out bs.
It appears that each State has different rules and regs as regards whether or not permits are required dependent on type of comp and prize value.
There seems to be a small industry based around setting up competitions for clients to ensure they are legal across the whole country. So the choices appear to be:
1. Hire a firm to run the comp for you.
2. Use your own in-house non- Australian resident team to navigate the whys and wherefores.
3. Don't bother because, at least for NSW, it appears to be at least 20 working days before a permit would be issued.
Maybe there are other firms that don't run competitions in Australia because of the hassle but you're unaware of them.
It could be that GW have decided to try these competitions at short notice so don't want to wait for permits. If they become a regular routine and planned further in advance, Australian residents could end up being in with a chance....
....or Kirby really hates you because of previous Ashes victories.
Rippy wrote: I am so mad about this. Truely furious. No Australia?
Again, blame the people in your country that made the bad laws. For once this is something that isn'tGW's fault.
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Snrub wrote: No I'm not just assuming they're lying. I don't know what FW's reasoning is. Hence the "remains to be seen" part of my post.
Except we DO know their reasoning, because someone emailed FW and got them to explain it: the problem is Australian laws, not a decision by GW. If you express doubt about that explanation then you're accusing FW of lying to the person who asked.
Rippy wrote: I am so mad about this. Truely furious. No Australia?
Again, blame the people in your country that made the bad laws. For once this is something that isn'tGW's fault.
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Snrub wrote: No I'm not just assuming they're lying. I don't know what FW's reasoning is. Hence the "remains to be seen" part of my post.
Except we DO know their reasoning, because someone emailed FW and got them to explain it: the problem is Australian laws, not a decision by GW. If you express doubt about that explanation then you're accusing FW of lying to the person who asked.
This is totally a thing. They would need to register something with each state. Total pain to administer... we need to do this for my work as well
We just need weeble to roll in here and tell us that this is actually illegal in the US because of the 1894 Funkill Law from Gakville County Ohio and we should have a full house of GW fethed it up their own competition posts........
notprop wrote: We just need weeble to roll in here and tell us that this is actually illegal in the US because of the 1894 Funkill Law from Gakville County Ohio and we should have a full house of GW fethed it up their own competition posts........
No, they should be alright with this one. No purchase required.
GW still ostensibly has an office of some kind in Australia managing their dwindling stores, it would have been a complete non event to get them to set this up for them. They just chose to be lazy.
Theophony wrote: I hope you or another Aussie wins it, then models it with twin power fists flipping the bird with both hands at forgeworld/GW.
I guess you missed the part where FW isn't including Australia because Australian law doesn't allow them to? If you want to blame someone then blame your own government.
I didn't miss anything, I live in the USA too, and living here I know how much of a pain in the it can be to change a law. What we are all talking about is how FW/GW tries again and fails again. Not because of not knowing, but by not trying, or doing due diligence. FW didn't just roll out of bed one morning and say "we're raffling off a titan this month" there's plans to make and deadlines to set. They obviously even knew about the competition laws of Austrailia of nothing would have been printed. They made the dumb choice to blow off part of their ever shrinking fan base to save time and effort, just like they do with the GW copy and paste model designs. If they wanted to show the Australians some love and treat them respectfully then they could have gotten their ducks in a row before the competition started and made it possible.
Having spent this last month trying to get a Swap Shop sale of £70 of old Vampire Counts past Aussie customs, which they lost the invoices for, then chased me for more details beyond the lengthy and very specific details I has already supplied, then went quiet for a fortnight, then when chased finally said they thought the package was worth £6300, I frankly can see FW might just not want the hassle.
I want this one so it can keep my other one (still in the box it came in :( )company
Some free weapon options would be cool though, been eyeing up that power fist ever since I went for the melta instead
Radu Lykan wrote: I want this one so it can keep my other one (still in the box it came in :( )company
Some free weapon options would be cool though, been eyeing up that power fist ever since I went for the melta instead
It says you get the body, missile launcher and two weapon arms.
Rippy wrote: I am so mad about this. Truely furious. No Australia?
Again, blame the people in your country that made the bad laws. For once this is something that isn'tGW's fault.
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Snrub wrote: No I'm not just assuming they're lying. I don't know what FW's reasoning is. Hence the "remains to be seen" part of my post.
Except we DO know their reasoning, because someone emailed FW and got them to explain it: the problem is Australian laws, not a decision by GW. If you express doubt about that explanation then you're accusing FW of lying to the person who asked.
Don't pretend to understand the laws, their laziness in not aquiring a permit to run their competition here makes it annoying for Australians. We have a right to be annoyed at Forgeworld.
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To run a contest in the Oz you need to make sure it's legal for each state as they have different requirements. This usually means hiring a firm to do it, said firms are very expensive.
Basically it just ends up being more of a hassle than it's worth to run an international contest that includes Australia thanks to Oz laws. I don't blame FW for this, I blame idiot law makers.
Was my post invisible? It is quite easy to get around these laws in Australia, I guess forge worlds comprehension skills are on par with the guys defending them.
Joyboozer wrote: Was my post invisible? It is quite easy to get around these laws in Australia, I guess forge worlds comprehension skills are on par with the guys defending them.
Easy being "shell out a lot of money to pay a company to make sure it's 100% legal in all states in Australia (as all the states have their own laws that differ) not to mention file for a special permit that also costs money.
It's a lot cheaper and less of a headache to just say "fek that" and leave Aussie out of the contest.
Like I said, blame the laws involved because they're designed to keep foreign companies from easily (and cheaply) doing things like this as a method of protecting local businesses. They're basically working as designed here.
No, all they had to do was make it a bloody "game of skill" rather than a "game of chance". You ask entrants to answer an easy question. That's it. Doing this makes it a game of skill, and as long as it's under a certain amount ( from memory about 7 grand) your golden.
It also avoids your winner being someone who dropped out of the hobby but never unsubbed. But no, as its forge world, it's time to get slowed and put your pants on your head.
Joyboozer wrote: Was my post invisible? It is quite easy to get around these laws in Australia, I guess forge worlds comprehension skills are on par with the guys defending them.
Easy being "shell out a lot of money to pay a company to make sure it's 100% legal in all states in Australia (as all the states have their own laws that differ) not to mention file for a special permit that also costs money.
It's a lot cheaper and less of a headache to just say "fek that" and leave Aussie out of the contest.
Like I said, blame the laws involved because they're designed to keep foreign companies from easily (and cheaply) doing things like this as a method of protecting local businesses. They're basically working as designed here.
You are getting yourself confused. This is a free giveaway, which is fine and easy to deal with. Payed to enter lotteries is where it gets hard (ie the win a space marine size of models competition if you BUY something)
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Joyboozer wrote: No, all they had to do was make it a bloody "game of skill" rather than a "game of chance". You ask entrants to answer an easy question. That's it. Doing this makes it a game of skill, and as long as it's under a certain amount ( from memory about 7 grand) your golden.
It also avoids your winner being someone who dropped out of the hobby but never unsubbed. But no, as its forge world, it's time to get slowed and put your pants on your head.
should have just read your post first, you said it better than me.
Joyboozer wrote: Was my post invisible? It is quite easy to get around these laws in Australia, I guess forge worlds comprehension skills are on par with the guys defending them.
Easy being "shell out a lot of money to pay a company to make sure it's 100% legal in all states in Australia (as all the states have their own laws that differ) not to mention file for a special permit that also costs money.
It's a lot cheaper and less of a headache to just say "fek that" and leave Aussie out of the contest.
Like I said, blame the laws involved because they're designed to keep foreign companies from easily (and cheaply) doing things like this as a method of protecting local businesses. They're basically working as designed here.
You are getting yourself confused. This is a free giveaway, which is fine and easy to deal with. Payed to enter lotteries is where it gets hard (ie the win a space marine size of models competition if you BUY something)
GW apparently doesn't think so. I assume their legal team is the one who made the call on that specifically though, so it's on them.
Still, being an American, I'd be pissed if it excluded people from Missouri because of some laws here. I'm sure there's at least one community that has laws against contests like this and we are not excluded. It's like a beer distributor here having a raffle but not allowing winners from xxxxxx because there's a "dry county" in the state.
They could have gotten around it, legally, but chose not to. They deserve all the that's coming at them.
Also my attempts to get on the mailing list have failed.....not sure if that's a bad thing or not .
Except we DO know their reasoning, because someone emailed FW and got them to explain it: the problem is Australian laws, not a decision by GW. If you express doubt about that explanation then you're accusing FW of lying to the person who asked.
Then yes, they're lying.
Because running this sort of competition in Australia isn't illegal. It just has to be properly registered and run according to specific rules, to make sure that it's actually fair to all entrants, and that people don't get ripped off by dodgy competitions.
Oh, and in reference to this:
xera32 wrote: Ok sent an Email to FW about why Australia can't enter.
Hi XXXXX
Thanks for your email. Regrettably we are unable to include customers who live in Australia in our Forge World Newsletter competition as we are prohibited by Australian competition law as per the Competition and Consumer Act 2010.
If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Regards,
Forge World
The Competition and Consumer Act 2010 covers trade practices. It has nothing to do with contests. So they're not even referring to the right legislation.
Because running this sort of competition in Australia isn't illegal. It just has to be properly registered and run according to specific rules, to make sure that it's actually fair to all entrants, and that people don't get ripped off by dodgy competitions.
Then would you mind suggesting a plausible explanation for why they're really refusing to allow Australians to enter, if it isn't because Australian law somehow prevents it (or at least makes it too difficult to be worth it for such a minor contest)?
The Competition and Consumer Act 2010 covers trade practices. It has nothing to do with contests. So they're not even referring to the right legislation.
And a "win a titan" contest used as a marketing tool is a trade practice. I'm not going to dig through the entire act looking for something that obviously prevents it (as if I'd be able to figure it out anyway, not being a lawyer or familiar at all with Australian law), but it could be one of those situations where GW doesn't meet the requirements to run a promotional contest. For example, various states/countries/etc have anti-monopoly laws that limit a manufacturer's own retail stores to compete with third-party retail stores selling their products, and something in those limits might exclude giving away prizes.
Screw it, I'm adopting a new explination: Australia can't enter because they lost the Emu War.
Seriously though, if you have a complaint about it I'd take it up with FW and GW. Enough complaints may lead to a change in policy, if not for this contest but future ones.
ClockworkZion wrote: Screw it, I'm adopting a new explination: Australia can't enter because they lost the Emu War.
Seriously though, if you have a complaint about it I'd take it up with FW and GW. Enough complaints may lead to a change in policy, if not for this contest but future ones.
I already wrote them a massive email displaying my frustration and disappointment in being the only country left out.
Then would you mind suggesting a plausible explanation for why they're really refusing to allow Australians to enter, if it isn't because Australian law somehow prevents it (or at least makes it too difficult to be worth it for such a minor contest)?
'It's more effort than we want to put in' and 'It's illegal' do not mean the same thing...
Their explanation was the latter, when the truth is far more likely the former.
And a "win a titan" contest used as a marketing tool is a trade practice. I'm not going to dig through the entire act looking for something that obviously prevents it.
Unless the prize is to merge your corporation with Forgeworld, you're unlikely to find anything...
Building on the already massive frame of an Ogryn, Solar Auxilia Charonite squads have been biochemically and cybernetically altered using ancient technologies, possibly of xenos origin, that have been deemed unholy by the Mechanicum. The result is a creature that will blindly follow orders, but which at the touch of a button will become a savage and near-unstoppable brute.
With the Ogryns' hands and forearms replaced by a brutal collection of mechanisms known as Charonite claws, which amplify their already fearsome strength, Ogryn Charonite squads can rip through armour plating with ease, devastating their foes in the cramped confines of boarding actions. It is little wonder then that as the wars of the Horus Heresy became ever more ferocious, Loyalist Solar Auxilia commanders increasingly turn to the creation of Charonites, particularly when facing Traitor Legiones Astartes and the forces of the Dark Mechanicum.
This is a complete resin kit which includes enough components to make three Ogryn Charonite models. The rules for using Ogryn Charonite Squads in Horus Heresy Solar Auxilia armies can be found in The Horus Heresy Book Four - Conquest.
These models are available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 13th March.
“I care not if my troops consider me a tyrant or a saint; I care only that they obey my orders”
Lord Marshal Konstin Shillesse,
Legate Commander of the 187th Cohort
(the Death's Heads)
bodazoka wrote: Forgeworld did not create a competition to garner subscribers to there news letter and deliberately leave Australia out just to be pricks.
No, they created a competition and left Australia out because they were lazy
Snrub wrote: I would buy those Ogryns for no other reason then that the braided hoses actually look like braided hose.
Not completely sold on the helmets or the big breathing pipes protruding from them. But they look relatively easy to cut away without to much hassle.
it's a small detail of the overall massive piece, but man, those braided hoses do look amazing!!!
i wonder if some madman sculpted that by hand, or if they did them in CAD...
either way, it's a brilliant touch...
No the laws are not that hard to get around, it is literally just submitting an application to the right government body which then gets approved after like 20 days in the worst day circumstances. Its not expensive or difficult. You also only need a permit for like 3-4 out of the 7 states too.
GW stuff here is already doubly expensive than what it is everywhere else so dam do we have the right to be included in their online competitions that a person in Antarctica or on the moon can win. GW has always treated Australia like dirt and its utterly decimated the community here and I'm tired and sick of it to be honest.
On the Charonite, not my favorite but I do like them, very brutal, can imagine one of those talons grabbing a marine while the meatgrinder tears them apart. These should really give Solar Auxilia some teeth for combat in HH.
This isn't anything new with the Solar Auxilia line, all models either come fully helmeted or in the case of some like unit leaders and nuncio vox operators, come with opened helmets or no helmet at all.
BrookM wrote: This isn't anything new with the Solar Auxilia line, all models either come fully helmeted or in the case of some like unit leaders and nuncio vox operators, come with opened helmets or no helmet at all.
It still doesn't make this any less cool or a revelation for me.
angelofvengeance wrote: I'm glad FW have started doing pics of the parts for the models so it gives you an idea of how stuff goes together.
Even better, parts are numbered more and more these days, plus the instructions are actually useful, instead of showing pictures without much description.
I agree the new instruction and numbering is a godsend for some kits.
Charonites are a beast in CC, they just need to get their and they cost a bomb, but in an Army that lacks any other form of CC they look like an amazing counter attacking unit.
jah-joshua wrote: it's a small detail of the overall massive piece, but man, those braided hoses do look amazing!!!
i wonder if some madman sculpted that by hand, or if they did them in CAD...
I would suspect it's most likely actual braided hose on the original sculpt.
BrookM wrote: Even better, parts are numbered more and more these days, plus the instructions are actually useful, instead of showing pictures without much description.
Not even that if you buy Contemptor Dreads- they just send you the bits in a bag lol.
BrookM wrote: Even better, parts are numbered more and more these days, plus the instructions are actually useful, instead of showing pictures without much description.
Not even that if you buy Contemptor Dreads- they just send you the bits in a bag lol.
Bishop F Gantry wrote: Not to keen on the gorilla suit but nice seing Ogryn gets some love, no ranged options?
Nope. their only weapon is a pair of Charonite Claws.
Strength +1 AP3, to-wound rolls of 6 are AP2 and instant death. A unit of three is putting down 15 strength 6 AP3 attacks on the charge, at WS4. Pretty beastly.
And yeah, those models are fething amazing. Another home-run for Forgeworld.
Vaktathi wrote: Not sure how I feel about the new Solar Auxilia Ogryns. Both expensive and ridiculous looking, yet still largely better than GW's plastic ones.
Hrm....
I'm with you on this one. I'm not impressed. They look like obese ghostbusters! More specifically, an obese version of Dan Akroyd's character!
Vaktathi wrote: Not sure how I feel about the new Solar Auxilia Ogryns. Both expensive and ridiculous looking, yet still largely better than GW's plastic ones.
Hrm....
I'm with you on this one. I'm not impressed. They look like obese ghostbusters! More specifically, an obese version of Dan Akroyd's character!
Yip I'm with you on this too. Ogryns are too foolish looking for a dark age of war.
Vaktathi wrote: Not sure how I feel about the new Solar Auxilia Ogryns. Both expensive and ridiculous looking, yet still largely better than GW's plastic ones.
Hrm....
I'm with you on this one. I'm not impressed. They look like obese ghostbusters! More specifically, an obese version of Dan Akroyd's character!
Yip I'm with you on this too. Ogryns are too foolish looking for a dark age of war.
It’s been a busy few weeks. The Horus Heresy Weekender 2015 is well and truly behind us now and we’re gearing up for the next events we’ll be attending. First there’s Adepticon in Chicago, then Salute in London and then, of course, the hotly anticipated Warhammer World Grand Opening weekend right here in Nottingham.
Something found its way on to my desk this week that got me pretty excited. As I’ve been working on my Alpha Legion, I really didn’t want to hand this one back, but I did manage to break away from admiring it long enough to snap a photo. Take a look...
Armillus Dynat of the Alpha Legion looks fantastic and could be pretty close to production.
I’m always on the lookout for awesome armies and recently I caught sight of this World Eaters Legion by James Karch. James has done a great job of making his World Eaters look like they’re fighting on the frontlines, with their chipped and weathered armour suitably splattered with blood.
James’ World Eaters Legion.
James has built the core of his force with Legion MkIV Maximus Armour and added Contemptor Dreadnoughts, complete with a Dreadnought Drop Pod (with more to be added soon), and a Storm Eagle. No World Eaters Legion would be complete without the murderous Red Butchers, and James has also added a pair of Praetor models to lead his army; one of which he’s converted to lead the Red Butchers into combat. His most recent addition has been the brand new Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought. The Deredeo is a superb unit for long range support and anti-aircraft fire, though in a World Eaters army I wouldn’t be surprised to see it charging to the front and firing at point blank range!
James’ World Eaters are daubed with the blood of their foes.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Still a great model. Can't wait to see it in the shiny blue studio scheme. I must admit I also enjoy seeing these studio members' armies. It just goes to show that the FW team is still made up of hobbyists.
Huh. I like the Pip-Boy thing (built in auspex perhaps?). I rather like it it on the Scions too. Much better than needing to let go of your weapon to reference it.
I liked Dynat when we saw him at the weekender, and I like him now! I love the pose they've given him, suitably imposing, and he's decorated but not over the top. And I really like his power sword design.
Still a great model. Can't wait to see it in the shiny blue studio scheme. I must admit I also enjoy seeing these studio members' armies. It just goes to show that the FW team is still made up of hobbyists.
Dynat is a great model. That being said I find it hilarious that without reading any text my first thoughts were, "Wow, now that's a much better job on the Salamanders FW!" then I read the text and had a chuckle. Awesome model and cool that it can easily be used for two chapters apparently
Red Corsair wrote: Dynat is a great model. That being said I find it hilarious that without reading any text my first thoughts were, "Wow, now that's a much better job on the Salamanders FW!" then I read the text and had a chuckle. Awesome model and cool that it can easily be used for two chapters apparently
I got a Dracosan not that long ago, it went together well enough, the bottom hull plate was only slightly warped. I wouldn't be too worried with the Mhara Gal.
Ashiraya wrote: Yeah, well, the larger they get, the less good they tend to fit together.
In my experience that depends on the nature of the model. Blocky things with hull assembly like the Fire Raptor or full resin Land Raider are PITA at the best of times, things like the Brass Scorpion where the main parts are cast as a string of pieces or whole pieces with joints tend to be fairly straightforward - I don't actually own any dreadnought variants but I would think they're in the second category.
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it can be to change a law. What we are all talking about is how 
