Reminds me a bit more of the Angel of Death from Hellboy 2. Either way, "Nope, honest guv. Nobody at GW has ever seen the films of Guillermo del Toro..."
Barzam wrote: What exactly would a Tzeench mortal army look like? A bunch of tengu guys? Dudes with bird themed armor? Hmm. That could actually be kind of cool.
The Warhammer Online game's Chaos faction was devoted to Tzeentch so there's loads of fantastic art out there of how they could look;
Of course GW being GW they'll probably let all that go to waste by picking one single aspect of the motif and hammering it into your eyeballs until they beg for death.
Plumbumbarum wrote: Sigmarines so much ruin it. They are just lame also don't fit imo.
Thank you for your opinion. However, could you now refrain from stating that opinion in this thread, given that it is (at this point) neither news, a rumour, or discussion of either? We really do understand that you don't like the Stormcast Eternals, and you're not the only person. However, unlike Yodhrin, for example, who eloquently explains every opinion he expresses, and actually makes people think (even though I rarely agree with what he says... ), you have simply told us that you dislike "sigmarines" many times, and seem unwilling to notice that GW is not currently releasing any more of said models.
Plumbumbarum wrote: Sigmarines so much ruin it. They are just lame also don't fit imo.
So your only issue with AoS Stormcast Eternals is that they wear heavy plate armour... Right.
If the armor wasn't spacemariney and the weren't lined up like space marines and just weren't fantasy space marines but castrated of all character and menace then I guess you'd have a point. It's also nice to see creative spark in the fluff and art and not just lame jump at opportunity to repeat sm sales craze in fantasy.
Plumbumbarum wrote: Sigmarines so much ruin it. They are just lame also don't fit imo.
Thank you for your opinion. However, could you now refrain from stating that opinion in this thread, given that it is (at this point) neither news, a rumour, or discussion of either? We really do understand that you don't like the Stormcast Eternals, and you're not the only person. However, unlike Yodhrin, for example, who eloquently explains every opinion he expresses, and actually makes people think (even though I rarely agree with what he says... ), you have simply told us that you dislike "sigmarines" many times, and seem unwilling to notice that GW is not currently releasing any more of said models.
How is that different from "I love the art" "cool model" "I want them" and countless comments like that lacking elaborate explanation for the sudden flush of enthusiasm? Be positive or gtfo? I look at the pic and post my first impression.
Plumbumbarum wrote: Sigmarines so much ruin it. They are just lame also don't fit imo.
Thank you for your opinion. However, could you now refrain from stating that opinion in this thread, given that it is (at this point) neither news, a rumour, or discussion of either? We really do understand that you don't like the Stormcast Eternals, and you're not the only person. However, unlike Yodhrin, for example, who eloquently explains every opinion he expresses, and actually makes people think (even though I rarely agree with what he says... ), you have simply told us that you dislike "sigmarines" many times, and seem unwilling to notice that GW is not currently releasing any more of said models.
How is that different from "I love the art" "cool model" "I want them" and countless comments like that lacking elaborate explanation for the sudden flush of enthusiasm? Be positive or gtfo? I look at the pic and post my first impression.
The difference is most people say it once and then stop.
They don't keep going every few pages about them liking the same thing.
Plumbumbarum wrote: Sigmarines so much ruin it. They are just lame also don't fit imo.
Thank you for your opinion. However, could you now refrain from stating that opinion in this thread, given that it is (at this point) neither news, a rumour, or discussion of either? We really do understand that you don't like the Stormcast Eternals, and you're not the only person. However, unlike Yodhrin, for example, who eloquently explains every opinion he expresses, and actually makes people think (even though I rarely agree with what he says... ), you have simply told us that you dislike "sigmarines" many times, and seem unwilling to notice that GW is not currently releasing any more of said models.
How is that different from "I love the art" "cool model" "I want them" and countless comments like that lacking elaborate explanation for the sudden flush of enthusiasm?
It's not. However, most people don't post "Sigmarines are so amazing!" continuously throughout the thread, even when they stop getting new models.
Be positive or gtfo?
No, you can have any opinion you like. Just don't expect anyone to engage with you once you start spamming the thread with your opinion, especially if the manner in which it is presented is more provocative each time.
Plumbumbarum wrote: Sigmarines so much ruin it. They are just lame also don't fit imo.
Thank you for your opinion. However, could you now refrain from stating that opinion in this thread, given that it is (at this point) neither news, a rumour, or discussion of either? We really do understand that you don't like the Stormcast Eternals, and you're not the only person. However, unlike Yodhrin, for example, who eloquently explains every opinion he expresses, and actually makes people think (even though I rarely agree with what he says... ), you have simply told us that you dislike "sigmarines" many times, and seem unwilling to notice that GW is not currently releasing any more of said models.
How is that different from "I love the art" "cool model" "I want them" and countless comments like that lacking elaborate explanation for the sudden flush of enthusiasm? Be positive or gtfo? I look at the pic and post my first impression.
The difference is most people say it once and then stop.
They don't keep going every few pages about them liking the same thing.
That's bs if only you count every "nice" type comment that was posted following some art or model pic depicting sigmarines.
And majority of my comments are connected to a new model, or art or sth. Not all though heh.
WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 83 (ENGLISH) 4
KHORNE BLOODBOUND EXALTED DEATHBRINGER 28
NURGLE ROTBRINGERS GUTROT SPUME 26
NURGLE ROTBRINGERS LORD OF PLAGUES 14.75
NURGLE ROTBRINGERS MAGGOTH LORD 76
NURGLE ROTBRINGERS THE GLOTTKIN 109
NURGLE ROTBRINGERS PUTRID BLIGHTKINGS 55
SMB: THE WAR FOR RYNNS WORLD (FRA) 28
PATH OF THE ARCHON (FRA) Novel 20
DANTES CANYON (A5 HARDBACK NOVELLA) Other Book 20
MASTER OF THE HUNT (AUDIOBOOK) 20
NURGLE ROTBRINGERS SORCERER Finecast Clam 15
NURGLE ROTBRINGERS FESTUS THE LEECHLORD Finecast Clam 19.25
NURGLE ROTBRINGER LORD ON DAEMONIC MOUNT Finecast Clam 40
highlord tamburlaine wrote: So we're still going to get subjected to Finecast, huh? Thought it was on its way out.
They're only repackaging, so the exact same models but with round bases, like the Skaven stuff that's up for preorder now and the Bbranchwraith the week before.
While certain things are coming back in finecast thankfully now that gw sorted it out the models themselves are very crisp and have much better quality than what was first released at least from ones I've bought recently anyway. So hopefully these will come out well.
The mini is pretty good, if you have been liking the recent Fantasy Khorne stuff (which I have, but I understand how others might not).
At the very least this guy has some nice potential for conversions. Unfortunate that he's $30, but that was expected. That price might be bearable given the super bargain one is getting on the Khorne dudes in the starter set.
Out of curiosity, was such a clampack character foreseen by anyone? And if so, who, and what else might we presume to be accurate rumors from them?
What a wonderful surprise for Chaos folks though I'm quite tempted to buy the model. I should resist, however -- I have like, 20 painted Chaos models out of 200+ that I own, including the new Bloodthirster, and I'm unlikely to chip away at that at any reasonable speed.
Bit disappointed, thought it would have looked better with a bigger axe. I think the pose looks awkward to be honest. Could be well converted into an icon or standard bearer with the way the model is holding the axe.
Talys wrote: @C6 - I don't think anyone foresaw that one.
What a wonderful surprise for Chaos folks though I'm quite tempted to buy the model. I should resist, however -- I have like, 20 painted Chaos models out of 200+ that I own, including the new Bloodthirster, and I'm unlikely to chip away at that at any reasonable speed.
Anyone that bought the first big book knew it was coming. Infact there is a reason this guy is called exalted death bringer cos next to him are death bringer acoyltes.
There is also another character in that book called a slaughter priest and there's also something called a skull grinder
Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote: Bit disappointed, thought it would have looked better with a bigger axe. I think the pose looks awkward to be honest. Could be well converted into an icon or standard bearer with the way the model is holding the axe.
Blood warriors multi part kit, slaughter priest and skull grinder are all set. The khorgoroth multi part kit has had no mention what so ever or book pics or mentioned in the book. So I would say that is in the same place as the stormcast guys with wings and the command guys who have not been released yet either
Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote: Bit disappointed, thought it would have looked better with a bigger axe. I think the pose looks awkward to be honest. Could be well converted into an icon or standard bearer with the way the model is holding the axe.
That is a big axe. I'm thinking it might look a bit better if the axe was smaller...still it is nice to see some leaked photos of something other than sigmarines. I'm hoping for some new non-Khorne chaos stuff soon. Also, I'm super disappointed that they didn't take the opportunity to sculpt some new plague monks...those plastics are getting a bit long in the tooth and need to be put down.
Doubt it was intentional. As for the new model - meh. It's basic standard modern GW, nothing special. And thats speaking as someone who once had a 9000 point pure Khorne fantasy army with a mix of 80s-00s models in it. Used to be right mad for the blood god, me. This models pretty dry but the style is what GW does now.
What was it? Don't know what you're getting at here. If it's not a reference and it only happens to be similarly posed, there's not much reason to compare. It's obviously much, much better sculpted.
Plumbumbarum wrote: Sigmarines so much ruin it. They are just lame also don't fit imo.
Thank you for your opinion. However, could you now refrain from stating that opinion in this thread, given that it is (at this point) neither news, a rumour, or discussion of either? We really do understand that you don't like the Stormcast Eternals, and you're not the only person. However, unlike Yodhrin, for example, who eloquently explains every opinion he expresses, and actually makes people think (even though I rarely agree with what he says... ), you have simply told us that you dislike "sigmarines" many times, and seem unwilling to notice that GW is not currently releasing any more of said models.
I know I already answered your post but think reading faeit for laughs, I've just accidentaly found out why the sigmarines armour itself is off putting for me (and no not because I still cry because of whfb). It looks too much like a body of obese, big boned man - legs, chest plate, proportions it all reminds me of that. Obviously obese big boned people are not a problem for me in real life, have friends like that and don't give a crap but it doesn't seem to go well visualy with the idea of that ultra golem angel avenging ghost riding the lighting.
Otc there are more reasons that make me dislike sigmarines both visual and conceptual but no point in typing them here. There was something I couldn't quite put my finger on though and I think that's it. Guess you haven't heard that one yet heh.
What was it? Don't know what you're getting at here. If it's not a reference and it only happens to be similarly posed, there's not much reason to compare. It's obviously much, much better sculpted.
Copy. There's a bunch of sigmarine sculpts that are identical in pose to recent space marine sculpts, because they simply copied over the cad files and redid the details. Admittedly that old mini is far too old to have a cad file.
I would actually be way more impressed if they had 3D scanned Krell, fitted him to a skeleton in a sculpting program and sculpted this new Khorne guy on top of him
What was it? Don't know what you're getting at here. If it's not a reference and it only happens to be similarly posed, there's not much reason to compare. It's obviously much, much better sculpted.
Copy. There's a bunch of sigmarine sculpts that are identical in pose to recent space marine sculpts, because they simply copied over the cad files and redid the details. Admittedly that old mini is far too old to have a cad file.
If you don't have any actual source or evidence for that first statement, then I'm going to tell you that it's a load of crap. Given the program Games Workshop used to use to sculpt plastic models, there is no way they would ever waste time copying and (heavily) editing a CAD file which has subtly different proportions (length), different scale, and a completely different sculpt once the wireframe model (i.e. Humanoid figure) is established. It's just bs.
As for the second point, are you actually claiming that they dug up that mini (what is it, by the way, it's really annoying me! ) and decided that that icon/large weapon bearer pose would be perfect to copy for their new sculpt? Seriously? Or is it more likely that they just sculpted a model which had to have a (very) large axe and a smaller hand-held blade, and decided that this pose seemed like a good idea?
Obviously it's just a coincidence that the deathbringer looks like that old model. Neat coincidence, but still a coincidence. Apart from the pose and horns they dont look that much alike.
-Shrike- wrote: (what is it, by the way, it's really annoying me! )
The original Krell. Comparing it to the new Khorne dude shows us how spoiled we are these days with miniatures. That said the new Khorne guy does have stuff that instantly stand out as coolness breaking. The two handed weapon whilst holding two weapons has already been mentioned, but I also don't like the recycling of Abbaddon's top knot.
AncientSkarbrand wrote: Obviously it's just a coincidence that the deathbringer looks like that old model. Neat coincidence, but still a coincidence. Apart from the pose and horns they dont look that much alike.
Really doubt it's a coincidence. The original Krell is a classic 90s sculpt and sculptors are as much hobby nerds as anyone that works in the industry.
Lots of models/ancient warriors that respected martial prowess had topknots... Also what if that weapon is a ranged weapon and has a place for the axe handle to fit into, allowing him to use it as a weighted grip on the end of his blade in close quarters? Perhaps it can shoot while he's holding it, making it useful in both ranged and close combat? The fluff could make it not stupid.
Also the abbadon model is pretty brutal. Haha i for one am glad to see a cool model with a topknot rather than a derpy one.
I'm not buying any fluff explanation to try and excuse the two hander and extra weapon thing. It looks daft, fluff can hang.
As to the top knot, it's not so much that the guy has one as many models have them. It's how closely it resembles Abaddon's. I appreciate there can only be so many designs on the same fashion statement, bu still...
Plus I grew up with that old mini. I'm always gonna have a soft spot for it, regardless of its comical failings.
I like the model personally, for me its at the very edge of suspension of disbelief. Just a tad more would put it into "that looks dumb" territory for me, so I can easily see how others have that exact opinion. I do share a dislike for having a weapon held by the other hand. It could easily have been sculpted to just strap to his left arm, allowing him to conceivably grab what is obviously a two-handed weapon. As for the topknot, it doesn't look like there would be any trouble cutting it off for people who don't like it, so that's pretty minor IMO.
i understand, haha When i started the hobby I thought the old bloodthirster model was sweet. Now it looks terribly dated, but i still look at it with warm feelings.
Also it does look pretty unusable the way it's modeled. I was really grasping at straws for ways it could be functional. Haha that was the best i could come up with.
I guess i just like the overall aesthetic of the model enough to overlook the weapon fiasco. What if it had a holster or something for the weapon on it's hip that isn't being shown, kinda like a terminator having a ranged weapon and a thunder hammer? Would that redeem it at all for the folks who don't like the second weapon?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Nvm, scratch that... Rechecked the model, no weapon holder on it's hip. First time i looked it was hidden by glare. It also doesnt look like a ranged weapon, and has a grip bar exactly where you would need to grip the axe... Kinda looks silly to me now too.
If you don't have any actual source or evidence for that first statement, then I'm going to tell you that it's a load of crap.
I can't be arsed digging up the photos from 40 pages back in a thread on another forum, but the chaos thing and the Helbrute, and a bunch of sigmarines and the recently CAD sculpted BA and DA characters are identically posed, not even possible to contend they're an homage like the two I already linked. Anyone who works in CAD will tell you how easy it is to do lazy things like that, even between the 28mm scale of 40k and the 32mm scale of sigmor. There are a bunch of other lazy sculpting tells on them too, like how they only look good from the front aspect, and have weird proportions and angles from other view points, like the square chaos buttocks, and the sigmarine longbow archers who can't actually see past their own shoulders to aim.
@Plumbumbarum: you know who looks obese???
Festus, or Gutrot, or the generic Nurgle Lord, just like they are supposed to...
Stormcast Eternals look like buff knights, just like they are supposed to...
i get that you don't like them, but you are really going a long way off track with your criticisms now...
@NTRabbit: i think it is a bit of a stretch to say that they just copied a Space Marine file, and then redid the details...
aside from the torso and head having a passing resemblance to the Sanguinary Guard, there is nothing that looks like Space Marine armor in the Stormcast Eternal design...
the legs and arms are completely different...
the helmets look different from the SG, in that they don't have sculpted hair on the back, but instead have a rounded back, with a strap, and a different halo style...
the chests are broader, with a completely different look to the SG...
the shoulder pads have a slightly different shape, different rims, and are inverted...
the legs are pure medieval armor styling, rather than the flared SM armor shape...
they are not even close to just being a tweaked file...
if you are going to compare them, i would say that Stormcast Eternals share a few of the Sanguinary Guard influences (Greek inspired death-mask/breastplate, and halo), but they look nothing like a stock Space Marine, to my eye...
even the three things that the SE share with the SG are styled completely differently...
the Khorne beast being in a similar pose to the Hellbrute from DV is pretty much the only thing i agree with...
all of the details, as well as the placement of the head are completely different...
then, of course, stylistically one is clearly a Sci-Fi model, and the other is clearly a Fantasy model...
Actually that could be quite a cool thing for FW to do. If it was about the size/quality/price of the Primarchs models, that would be a pretty cool figure.
jah-joshua wrote: @Plumbumbarum: you know who looks obese???
Festus, or Gutrot, or the generic Nurgle Lord, just like they are supposed to...
Stormcast Eternals look like buff knights, just like they are supposed to...
i get that you don't like them, but you are really going a long way off track with your criticisms now...
I play Nids and Nugle in 40k and cool bloated fatties is how I roll. But it's different with sigmarines, their armor is knightish but also bodylike and a detail or two there makes it look like a big boned man with fat packed up under the surface. It's ofc not that they are literaly obese with bellies but sth is there that made me think that.
Also I guess you assume that I hate sigmarines because I hate AoS because whfb etc It's not like that, I hate Tau but love broadsides and fire warriors also have a riptide stashed somewhere ready to nurglify for my anime robots from hell crew. I hate Eldar but love wraith constructs etc. I'm not looking for things to hate in sigmarines, I tried a few times to get into the mood of it even borrowed the book but it just doesn't do anything for me and the models/ art are off putting every time.
monders wrote: So I don't have to paint my bases, just glue on sand, drybrush, and add tufts?!
Well that's saved me about 300 hours of boredom. Nice.
It says, "Apply PVA glue to the base and cover with Citadel Sand. Drybrush the sand Screaming Skull. Once dry add Middenland Tufts with PVA glue. Paint rim Steel Legion Drab." -- that's always been the quickest way to get "GW-looking bases".
The even faster way is to buy Woodland Scenics sand ("Ballast") which is available in a premixed colored blends of brown or grey (two tones of each), or single color in different coarsnesses that you mix yourself. Just glue it on, stick on a couple of tufts, and boom. It actually looks really nice, too.
For my bases, I use the Woodland Scenics black ballast, 50/50 mix of fine and coarse. Paint 50/50 mix white glue & water on the base, dunk it in a my bucket 'o ballast, wait an hour, paint my watered down glue on top, wait overnight. Next day all I have to do is a light brown drybrush over top since it's already black, and stick some grassy bits here and there.
Saw the minis in person today through a store window. Blown away by the quality, even if I'm not in love with the Eternal look in general. Such imposing figures, especially the general on mount and the Chaos guy with his dog. Really wish I had the cash for the starter set.
There are a handful of new warscrolls in there, discounting the stuff already shown the WDs. 2 new Stormcast battalions, 1 new Khorne battalion, 2 Nurgle and 2 Skaven ones.
Exalted Deathbringer has been leaked already, Bloodwarriors are the same, except dual axes trade in the Gorefist rule for rerolling ones to hit and every tenthBloodwarrior gets to replace all weapons with a Goreglaive, which is 1" A2 3+/3+ R-1 D2.
Lore is neat so far, but only managed to skim it. Sigmar get's back Ghal Maraz at the end, realizes that weapons are made to take into battle and then goes to open the Chamber Extremis to awaken the 'Holy Beast' within (which probably isn't Drakothion, who got hurt hurt badly earlier in the book fighting the corrupted wyrm Argentine). So, chances are Stormcast get either Sigmar mounted on whatever the 'holy beast' is or a independent monster.
Looking like it sucks hard if you're a khorne player. Only one battalion to everyone else's two and if its not order its not getting much
Why does it seem like the resolution to every rule in this game is just roll more dice? Blooded Lieutenant? Roll some dice. Runemarked Shield? Roll some more dice, dude! Skullgouger? You know what to do, brother!! Brutal Command? Aw yeah! Roll me some bones, my man!!! I've watched about half a dozen batreps online, and the amount of dicerolling when compared to actual model movement and/or decision-making is mind-numbing.
the_Armyman wrote: Why does it seem like the resolution to every rule in this game is just roll more dice? Blooded Lieutenant? Roll some dice. Runemarked Shield? Roll some more dice, dude! Skullgouger? You know what to do, brother!! Brutal Command? Aw yeah! Roll me some bones, my man!!! I've watched about half a dozen batreps online, and the amount of dicerolling when compared to actual model movement and/or decision-making is mind-numbing.
Because that assumes your opponent will always be open to compromise when opinions on x or y differ situations arise.Which they won't. If it's a dice roll, then there's less room for TFG behaviour.
the_Armyman wrote: Why does it seem like the resolution to every rule in this game is just roll more dice? Blooded Lieutenant? Roll some dice. Runemarked Shield? Roll some more dice, dude! Skullgouger? You know what to do, brother!! Brutal Command? Aw yeah! Roll me some bones, my man!!! I've watched about half a dozen batreps online, and the amount of dicerolling when compared to actual model movement and/or decision-making is mind-numbing.
Putting it rather bluntly, if you compared the Stormcast units to the Khorne Bloodbound you would see that "throw some more dice at it" isn't necessarily true.
The Exalted Deathbringer is meant to be a hero version of the Bloodreavers with an option for the same "shield" as the Blood Warriors.
the_Armyman wrote: Why does it seem like the resolution to every rule in this game is just roll more dice? Blooded Lieutenant? Roll some dice. Runemarked Shield? Roll some more dice, dude! Skullgouger? You know what to do, brother!! Brutal Command? Aw yeah! Roll me some bones, my man!!! I've watched about half a dozen batreps online, and the amount of dicerolling when compared to actual model movement and/or decision-making is mind-numbing.
Putting it rather bluntly, if you compared the Stormcast units to the Khorne Bloodbound you would see that "throw some more dice at it" isn't necessarily true.
The Exalted Deathbringer is meant to be a hero version of the Bloodreavers with an option for the same "shield" as the Blood Warriors.
the_Armyman wrote: Why does it seem like the resolution to every rule in this game is just roll more dice? Blooded Lieutenant? Roll some dice. Runemarked Shield? Roll some more dice, dude! Skullgouger? You know what to do, brother!! Brutal Command? Aw yeah! Roll me some bones, my man!!! I've watched about half a dozen batreps online, and the amount of dicerolling when compared to actual model movement and/or decision-making is mind-numbing.
As opposed to every other edition of Fantasy or 40k, that solved most things by...rolling dice?
the_Armyman wrote: Why does it seem like the resolution to every rule in this game is just roll more dice? Blooded Lieutenant? Roll some dice. Runemarked Shield? Roll some more dice, dude! Skullgouger? You know what to do, brother!! Brutal Command? Aw yeah! Roll me some bones, my man!!! I've watched about half a dozen batreps online, and the amount of dicerolling when compared to actual model movement and/or decision-making is mind-numbing.
As opposed to every other edition of Fantasy or 40k, that solved most things by...rolling dice?
Um, you're intentionally missing the point. I made a specific example with the newest warscroll since nearly every one of his Special Rules added more dice to the basic to-hit, to-wound, to-save sequence. AoS seems to rely upon dice-rolling begetting more dice rolling. You don't just roll to hit, certain hits generate more hits, requiring more dice-rolling. Then some wounds generate more wounds. The solution is to roll more dice. This isn't unique to AoS, but it seems to be taken to new heights.
I'm not referring to dice rolling as a core mechanic. But I think you already knew that.
nudibranch wrote: Seeing the Deathbringer's warscroll, I'm guessing the kit will have an axe/shield variant we haven't seen yet.
Most likely as GW will only release models and their full weapon options now. So its safe to assume that the kit will have at least the shield in it. The axe could probably count as both
[quote=Lore is neat so far, but only managed to skim it. Sigmar get's back Ghal Maraz at the end, realizes that weapons are made to take into battle and then goes to open the Chamber Extremis to awaken the 'Holy Beast' within (which probably isn't Drakothion, who got hurt hurt badly earlier in the book fighting the corrupted wyrm Argentine). So, chances are Stormcast get either Sigmar mounted on whatever the 'holy beast' is or a independent monster.
Im calling it now ...its gona be hammerhead sharks in a giant tornado !
eflix29 wrote: Also i'm curious about the new lore, in a few hundred years human technology hasn't made a single progress ?
Actually AoS takes place a few (5, 10?) *thousand* years after the end times.
One might think people would have gotten tired of fighting - or even extinct - but no...
Gotta say after purchasing the starter set and what I am seeing coming. There are some nice sculpts. It's nice to see a fresh breath of Air into Warhammer Fantasy.
eflix29 wrote: Also i'm curious about the new lore, in a few hundred years human technology hasn't made a single progress ?
Actually AoS takes place a few (5, 10?) *thousand* years after the end times.
One might think people would have gotten tired of fighting - or even extinct - but no...
None of these people are from the Old World though right? Other than those who ascended to godhood through the whole Incarnate thing. I was hoping when I read the first book it would talk about the origins of these realms and their inhabitants but it just seemed like they said "these realms have always been here and humans dwarfs and Skaven have always been there"
Exactly. The more likely answer is the frame this guy is on has all his options.
Welcome to the new reality of GW - where not even characters get wargear options because OMG 3rd parties will steal everything weinventedthearrowandskull!!!
One might think people would have gotten tired of fighting - or even extinct - but no...
How long have we been fighting wars on this planet? 3, 4 or 5000 years maybe - that we know off and most likely before then too. As long as there have been organised groups of humans and their ancestors I should think.
re technology - if magic is accessible, decent, reliable, and/or very powerful - tech may not be that much of a contender without magical enhancements - Dwarf Runes, Skaven Warp tech etc.
Lack of tech progress is a standard fantasy trope.....
I did notice a reference to techno-nomads or similar in the big book
I'm really keen to see some solid photos of the Khorne Skull Fortress of Skullblood. That could be a really fun addition to my terrain collection, even for 40k.
They havent got round to dwarfs yet. The stormcast have been mostly done bar a few bits, This 8th month is Khorne related in new release terms but also skaven and nurgle repacks. The 9th month sees Tzeentch releases. Numbers are still important it would seem
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
Have we heard if there will be any new Nurgle models in the near future (not repackages of older ones)?
The putrid blightkings, and Glottkin are some amazing models, i can only hope they'll keep up that style with the rest of the nurgle stuff.
The new Khorne stuff is really nice, but I can't say I"m all that much a fan of the Blood god. Nurgle and Slaanesh were my favs, but it sounds like the latter is no longer part of the fluff anymore (in AoS at least).
I think the last GW model I purchased was the Glottkin when they came out last year. Hard for me to believe that I haven't bought ANYTHING of theirs in almost a year! I guess AoS, and the decline of good rules for Warhammer 40(planes on the table at once), has finally had an effect on my gaming purchases.
Still, if AoS provides models I enjoy at some point, I'll get them to use in other games, or Warhammer Fantasy Battle 8th ed.
skullking wrote: Have we heard if there will be any new Nurgle models in the near future (not repackages of older ones)?
The putrid blightkings, and Glottkin are some amazing models, i can only hope they'll keep up that style with the rest of the nurgle stuff.
The new Khorne stuff is really nice, but I can't say I"m all that much a fan of the Blood god. Nurgle and Slaanesh were my favs, but it sounds like the latter is no longer part of the fluff anymore (in AoS at least).
I think the last GW model I purchased was the Glottkin when they came out last year. Hard for me to believe that I haven't bought ANYTHING of theirs in almost a year! I guess AoS, and the decline of good rules for Warhammer 40(planes on the table at once), has finally had an effect on my gaming purchases.
Still, if AoS provides models I enjoy at some point, I'll get them to use in other games, or Warhammer Fantasy Battle 8th ed.
No new nurgle models as of yet. Maybe next year.
I imagine they will
Do people not read? Slaanesh has NOT been removed from the fluff. Nor has it been demoted in place of the horned rat. Slaanesh is still on the pantheon. All GW have done is say slaanesh was kidnapped by elves. This gives GW a massive angle for future new elf and slaanesh releases with a series of books depicting the return of slaanesh and the eventual release of a plastic keeper of secrets
Glotkin were 7 or so months ago. Lol40k hasnt had good rules for years nor has fantasy. AoS thankfully has made fantasy relevant and for GW is a massive step forward. Its one of the better games out now a days and has finally seen GW do something to shake things up and make even them relevant
@Motograter -- yeah, even from the very beginning, the lore said, "Slaanesh is mysteriously missing". I always interpreted that as a future plot point not, "Slaanesh is squatted".
If anything, it's GREAT for Slaanesh players that the Chaos God has been abducted. It means that he will be relevant to the story and there will probably be future models that launch as his followers become anti-heroes.
Who knows, maybe even a Nagash type model for him!
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
If sad panda says it's not gonna happen... You can probably bet that it's not gonna happen.
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
If sad panda says it's not gonna happen... You can probably bet that it's not gonna happen.
I don't know... I believe him on everything else, but IIRC, there have been some pretty reliable people mentioning that the greater daemon kits have been done for a while.
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
If sad panda says it's not gonna happen... You can probably bet that it's not gonna happen.
I don't know... I believe him on everything else, but IIRC, there have been some pretty reliable people mentioning that the greater daemon kits have been done for a while.
True, but there was the Bloodthirster already, and the 2 giant Nurgle beasties. Add to that GW's disinterest in producing anything Tzeentch or Slaanesh, and that right there probably accounts for the rumored Greater Daemons. I severely doubt that we'll see the other two get treatment in plastic anytime soon.
Wow, that one new demon is pricey. I can get an army for 30 bucks more. Is it bigger than that GutRot creature standing next to it? I can't see why there is a huge price difference between the 2.
When was the last time Tzeentchlaanesh got some love? What better time than now? People have been waiting for it for years, it could only help AOS kickoff.
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
This is pure speculation on your behalf. And to keep throwing around those unfounded tzeench rumors as facts, is more or less trolling. If you have new info that verify a tzeench release I would like to see some reference or source. If you contradict one of the most reliable rumor mongers, you need to back it up proprly.
Off topic, I always chuckle at the expression "no brainer", because you can usually read it as either "you dont need a brain" or "you dont have a brain", no offence to you prsonally intended, though
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
This is pure speculation on your behalf. And to keep throwing around those unfounded tzeench rumors as facts, is more or less trolling. If you have new info that verify a tzeench release I would like to see some reference or source. If you contradict one of the most reliable rumor mongers, you need to back it up proprly.
Off topic, I always chuckle at the expression "no brainer", because you can usually read it as either "you dont need a brain" or "you dont have a brain", no offence to you prsonally intended, though
Harry and Hastings have both talked about Tzeentch coming soon, so I'd say there's enough evidence to put Tzeentch in the "plausible" category. Obviously, though, things can change.
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
This is pure speculation on your behalf. And to keep throwing around those unfounded tzeench rumors as facts, is more or less trolling. If you have new info that verify a tzeench release I would like to see some reference or source. If you contradict one of the most reliable rumor mongers, you need to back it up proprly.
Off topic, I always chuckle at the expression "no brainer", because you can usually read it as either "you dont need a brain" or "you dont have a brain", no offence to you prsonally intended, though
In your opinion its speculation. I'll throw whatever I like around. If i was trolling believe me it wouldn't be about tzeentch. The rest of my post was eaten.
Not giving sources away to appease a minority on here. Reliable rumour monger sad panda lol. All 25 posts I had seen on other forums already. He might be reliable to you but means nothing to me. Like any rumour it'll be right or wrong. Changes are made all the time. Its pot luck. So no I don't need to back it up as I owe you nothing of the sort.
ACTUAL spoilers -- don't click unless if you want to read what happens to Sigmar's hammer (Ghal Maraz) yourself ...
Spoiler:
8). New Rules for a Khorne unit called the Blood Warriors (future release?)
7). Origins of some old friends of Nurgle: Torglug the Despised, Gutrot Spume, and Morbidex the Twiceborn.
6). New Wizard spells for each of the realm scenarios (like the transmutation of lead).
5). Vanus Hammerhead retrieves the Ghal Maraz, and then a twin tailed comet descends from the heavens and all is light….
4). The Taint of Tzeentch is sucked back into the realm of Chaos from the lands of metal.
3). Sigmar is reunited with his hammer, finally.
2). Sigmar wakes a powerful being in the Chamber Extremis, in anticipation for..
1). The next war to come will be the battle for the All Points, where Sigmars’ Grand Alliance fell apart previously as Nagash’s great betrayal was revealed.
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg folks. There is a TON of awesome reading in this book, more to come soon!
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
This is pure speculation on your behalf. And to keep throwing around those unfounded tzeench rumors as facts, is more or less trolling. If you have new info that verify a tzeench release I would like to see some reference or source. If you contradict one of the most reliable rumor mongers, you need to back it up proprly.
Off topic, I always chuckle at the expression "no brainer", because you can usually read it as either "you dont need a brain" or "you dont have a brain", no offence to you prsonally intended, though
In your opinion its speculation. I'll throw whatever I like around. If i was trolling believe me it wouldn't be about tzeentch. The rest of my post was eaten.
Not giving sources away to appease a minority on here. Reliable rumour monger sad panda lol. All 25 posts I had seen on other forums already. He might be reliable to you but means nothing to me. Like any rumour it'll be right or wrong. Changes are made all the time. Its pot luck. So no I don't need to back it up as I owe you nothing of the sort.
No offence taken, likewise
So we should just take your word for it? While I understand that some reliable sources (I believe Harry is one of them) are saying that Tzeentch is in the works, it's the principle. Providing sources is standard practice for Medical papers and Statistical analysis (hell, even Wikipedia strives for sources and citations) and you think rumour discussion is above that? "He might be reliable to you but he means nothing to me" In that same vein, a rumour monger whose been near perfect (or is Sad Panda still at 100%?) so far matters more to most people than some no-name who won't bother listing his source that's "super-reliable, trust me you guys, I swear"
If anyone got the new WD can you tell me what skin colour the painting guide for the Exalted Deathbringer is? I really liked the variety of skin tones the Blood Reavers had but I was disappointed with the WD painting guide which only had the same white skin as the youtube guide.
durecellrabbit wrote: If anyone got the new WD can you tell me what skin colour the painting guide for the Exalted Deathbringer is? I really liked the variety of skin tones the Blood Reavers had but I was disappointed with the WD painting guide which only had the same white skin as the youtube guide.
MacMuckles wrote: Providing sources is standard practice for Medical papers and Statistical analysis (hell, even Wikipedia strives for sources and citations) and you think rumour discussion is above that?
You have that backwards. Sources are important for medical papers and statistical analysis because they are, you know, kind of important. It's not quite as big a deal if a rumour about an upcoming release for a game of toy soldiers turns out to be false...
People quite often can't or won't post their source as it can result in that source getting in trouble. It's up to you whether you choose to believe any given rumour or not.
MacMuckles wrote: Providing sources is standard practice for Medical papers and Statistical analysis (hell, even Wikipedia strives for sources and citations) and you think rumour discussion is above that?
You have that backwards. Sources are important for medical papers and statistical analysis because they are, you know, kind of important. It's not quite as big a deal if a rumour about an upcoming release for a game of toy soldiers turns out to be false...
People quite often can't or won't post their source as it can result in that source getting in trouble. It's up to you whether you choose to believe any given rumour or not.
I see what you're saying, and looking back at that bit, I'm kind of shaking my head at it.
ACTUAL spoilers -- don't click unless if you want to read what happens to Sigmar's hammer (Ghal Maraz) yourself ...
Spoiler:
8). New Rules for a Khorne unit called the Blood Warriors (future release?)
7). Origins of some old friends of Nurgle: Torglug the Despised, Gutrot Spume, and Morbidex the Twiceborn.
6). New Wizard spells for each of the realm scenarios (like the transmutation of lead).
5). Vanus Hammerhead retrieves the Ghal Maraz, and then a twin tailed comet descends from the heavens and all is light….
4). The Taint of Tzeentch is sucked back into the realm of Chaos from the lands of metal.
3). Sigmar is reunited with his hammer, finally.
2). Sigmar wakes a powerful being in the Chamber Extremis, in anticipation for..
1). The next war to come will be the battle for the All Points, where Sigmars’ Grand Alliance fell apart previously as Nagash’s great betrayal was revealed.
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg folks. There is a TON of awesome reading in this book, more to come soon!
BoLS is doing their usual trash. The only things they got right are the things actually printed in the damn book and don't require even a remotely cursory search in the actual Age of Sigmar boxed set.
#8 isn't "new". Blood Warriors are part of the main boxed set. The only thing "new" in the book is that there are two new options for them:
1) 1 in 5 Blood Warriors can take a Gore Glaive
2) You have the option for a full unit to take either Goreaxes and Gorefists or two Goreaxes. Taking two Goreaxes gives you a bonus.
I love these new kits coming out. The quality and style is great. Sucks that they are not true multi-pose minis.
Regarding Tzeentch talks, I am not convinced that all the Tzeentch artwork will not be followed by Tzeentch releases. However, I no longer believe that Tzeentch Daemonkin is happening.. at least not in September like BoLS says.
and if you know me by now, you know I want to believe
ACTUAL spoilers -- don't click unless if you want to read what happens to Sigmar's hammer (Ghal Maraz) yourself ...
Spoiler:
8). New Rules for a Khorne unit called the Blood Warriors (future release?)
7). Origins of some old friends of Nurgle: Torglug the Despised, Gutrot Spume, and Morbidex the Twiceborn.
6). New Wizard spells for each of the realm scenarios (like the transmutation of lead).
5). Vanus Hammerhead retrieves the Ghal Maraz, and then a twin tailed comet descends from the heavens and all is light….
4). The Taint of Tzeentch is sucked back into the realm of Chaos from the lands of metal.
3). Sigmar is reunited with his hammer, finally.
2). Sigmar wakes a powerful being in the Chamber Extremis, in anticipation for..
1). The next war to come will be the battle for the All Points, where Sigmars’ Grand Alliance fell apart previously as Nagash’s great betrayal was revealed.
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg folks. There is a TON of awesome reading in this book, more to come soon!
BoLS is doing their usual trash. The only things they got right are the things actually printed in the damn book and don't require even a remotely cursory search in the actual Age of Sigmar boxed set.
#8 isn't "new". Blood Warriors are part of the main boxed set. The only thing "new" in the book is that there are two new options for them:
1) 1 in 5 Blood Warriors can take a Gore Glaive
2) You have the option for a full unit to take either Goreaxes and Gorefists or two Goreaxes. Taking two Goreaxes gives you a bonus.
In that case, I'm sorry for posting it! I actually have the book, but I have not read it as it is a present for my wife, and she hasn't unwrapped the shrink yet I think it would be bad form for me to open up her present... hahahaha
Talys wrote: In that case, I'm sorry for posting it! I actually have the book, but I have not read it as it is a present for my wife, and she hasn't unwrapped the shrink yet I think it would be bad form for me to open up her present... hahahaha
Note this pack doesn't have all the special rules for the various realms in it -- one assumes the themed tables at the event will have reminders of them.
Note
Army Size/Army Selection: Up to 100 models of any
kind.
ETERNAL VICTORIES
With the huge scope of the Realms, we in Warhammer
World will be taking the opportunity to do something
really special. Any results from the Campaign will be
recorded and used as future material in other Campaigns.
If the Crag of Eternal Torment is burned to ground, then
a later Campaign may revolve around armies trying to
take it back and rebuild it!
This makes our first Campaign extremely exciting, as
anyone taking part will have the first chance to shape
how Warhammer World runs it’s Campaigns for a long
time to come!
I think the 2nd part there is pretty cool.
although ones keeps having flashbacks to a chaotic storm or somesuch.
Still live and learn eh ?
A reminder of the various rules for people :
Spoiler:
Ghyran, the Realm of Life:
In all the battles, in all the infinite Realms, one thing is always true – life will find a way.
Once per turn you may restore a lost wound to a model if it has the colour green somewhere on it.
Shyish, the Realm of Death: The power of Nagash imbues every relic of death in this realm, driving them forward with relentless energy. Every model in your army with a skull or dead body on it may charge an extra 1”.
Ghur, the Realm of Beasts: Primal fury courses through those who can tap into the merciless energy of the magic of Beasts. If you own a pet and have a photograph of it (or any animal), once per game choose one unit; it may add +1 to it’s to Wound rolls this turn as they are overcome with feral anger.
Aqshy, the Realm of Fire: The burning wrath of this realm empowers your troops with a bloodthirst that can only be quenched in the blood of your enemies. If you are wearing the colours red, orange or yellow, once per game during the Hero Phase choose a unit. That unit may re-roll failed rolls to hit this combat phase.
Hysh, the Realm of Light: If you command the power of light, warriors gain lightning speed and can leave even trained and veteran warriors surprised and wrong footed at a moment’s notice. Once per game the Realm of Light allows you to choose which models fight first in a chosen combat phase if you can shine a light on the unit in question.
Chamon, the Realm of Metal:m160005a_99120202016_EmpWizards1_873x627
Strong eldritch forces inflict themselves on warriors fighting in Realm of Chamon. For those with the will to master it, Metal is a stalwart yet mutable ally.
If your models are made of metal, they may re-roll 1’s on their saves. If they are not, they may move an extra 1”.
Ulgu, the Realm of Shadows: Stare not into the Abyss, lest the Abyss summon forth a legion of warriors laden with dark and malevolent weaponry to wipe your forces from the face of reality. If your models are fighting in the shadow of other, larger models, then they gain +1 to their Wound rolls.
Is GW aware of not all models being equally strong? I'm not that sure.
They are aware but they do not care. The game does not have to be balanced. The model limit is likely there only to make the games end in reasonable time.
The model limit basically means that as a Goblin or Skaven player, you get the finger.
/e: Wouldn't it be amazing to equip a local player with the most unfun army list you can gather and let him go there?We alone could come up with 20ish Bloodthirsters. I'd be in for it
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
This is pure speculation on your behalf. And to keep throwing around those unfounded tzeench rumors as facts, is more or less trolling. If you have new info that verify a tzeench release I would like to see some reference or source. If you contradict one of the most reliable rumor mongers, you need to back it up proprly.
Off topic, I always chuckle at the expression "no brainer", because you can usually read it as either "you dont need a brain" or "you dont have a brain", no offence to you prsonally intended, though
In your opinion its speculation. I'll throw whatever I like around. If i was trolling believe me it wouldn't be about tzeentch.
Throwing whatever around, and presenting it as facts, is actually trolling in my eyes.
Reliable rumour monger sad panda lol. All 25 posts I had seen on other forums already. He might be reliable to you but means nothing to me.
Yes, those 25 rumor post, 100% correct, is 25 rumors more than you have to show for, thats why I ask for a reference. Saying tzeench is incoming next month is pretty hot stuf if you had any reference to back it up.
Like any rumour it'll be right or wrong. Changes are made all the time. Its pot luck.
I see, every time you contradict a rumormonger or state whats coming next, its just pot luck, and we should not pay attention to it. Got it Actually I kind of agree with the above, if only you could aply it to your own speculations and dont act like you know whats about to be released when its actually just a try to get a lucky shot.
But like you say, you dont owe me anything, and I dont need to take your word for it. The internet is big enough for both of us Happy wargaming!
I know there are a lot of jokes about the rules, but i do wonder how they would handle it if someone turned up with 25 Glotkin or something similar as an army.
It wouldnt be fun for anybody, but is well within the rules and highlights the genuine flaws in the shiny new ruleset. I'm guessing they would have to turn that player away.
If the player is up to pay 2500+ $ to win, it's his god dam buisness. GW is not the only game that use the "pay to win" marketing. I don't really see why people flame about it.
It's interesting to note that the wee blurb there puts a pretty big hole in the hull of that whole "The players will write the story! Constant evolution! Down with settings!" idea, since all those great, storyline-evolving results only "count" in terms of future Warhammer World-run campaigns, and so functionally is no different from when you and a bunch of mates run a story campaign at your local club that nobody else who plays elsewhere - and certainly not GW - gives a gak about.
I give it two years before GW have exhausted their "Realmgate Wars" products/rerelases and gone back to timeline advances so fractional and minor that the folk celebrating the destruction of 30 years of fiction because it had become "stagnant" will want GW to blow it all up again. Once again demonstrating why settings are superior to ongoing narratives when dealing with interactive products.
NoggintheNog wrote: I know there are a lot of jokes about the rules, but i do wonder how they would handle it if someone turned up with 25 Glotkin or something similar as an army.
It wouldnt be fun for anybody, but is well within the rules and highlights the genuine flaws in the shiny new ruleset. I'm guessing they would have to turn that player away.
Its not an every man for himself tournament, where one guy can come and wipe the floor with everyone, its about a battle of two factions and the only awards I am aware of are for the best army and the most sporting player.
Read the tourney pack and you will see what I mean, its supposed to be more fun based than competitive, its attracting a much different crowd, seems popular so far, not sure if it will last though.
Sad Panda wrote: Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best
Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
Tzeentch is no longer a troll rumour. The lord of change kit has been ready to go for a while. The novel with tzeentch character on the front gives a clue as well as everyone knows GW wont put out art without everything that goes with it remember their over protectiveness of their IP? and the next 40k daemonkin book is tzeentch. So safe to say tzeentch will be seeing a release oh and you know with tzeentch being rather prominent in the end of the first source book and now in the book that comes out this saturday its a no brainer tzeentch will be coming soon
This is pure speculation on your behalf. And to keep throwing around those unfounded tzeench rumors as facts, is more or less trolling. If you have new info that verify a tzeench release I would like to see some reference or source. If you contradict one of the most reliable rumor mongers, you need to back it up proprly.
Off topic, I always chuckle at the expression "no brainer", because you can usually read it as either "you dont need a brain" or "you dont have a brain", no offence to you prsonally intended, though
In your opinion its speculation. I'll throw whatever I like around. If i was trolling believe me it wouldn't be about tzeentch.
Throwing whatever around, and presenting it as facts, is actually trolling in my eyes.
Reliable rumour monger sad panda lol. All 25 posts I had seen on other forums already. He might be reliable to you but means nothing to me.
Yes, those 25 rumor post, 100% correct, is 25 rumors more than you have to show for, thats why I ask for a reference. Saying tzeench is incoming next month is pretty hot stuf if you had any reference to back it up.
Like any rumour it'll be right or wrong. Changes are made all the time. Its pot luck.
I see, every time you contradict a rumormonger or state whats coming next, its just pot luck, and we should not pay attention to it. Got it Actually I kind of agree with the above, if only you could aply it to your own speculations and dont act like you know whats about to be released when its actually just a try to get a lucky shot.
But like you say, you dont owe me anything, and I dont need to take your word for it. The internet is big enough for both of us Happy wargaming!
I don't care if you believe me or not. I tend not look at what other rumours say. I just occasionally say what I've heard. Never once said it was a fact. If you see it as fact that's not my issue. That's you looking for it. I haven't contradicted anyone else. I rarely pass rumours on here so not particularly interested in more whining. I'll just not pass anymore info on. Doesn't bother me. That's me done with you
TheWaspinator wrote: In any event with the sudden death rules intact, I kind of want to show up with a single Carrion just to troll people.
And if anyone sees you with a Carrion, they could just opt for a different Sudden Death rule--unless you're going to be a douche and not show them the rules for the Carrion when asked to see them.
The player with the least amount of models gets to pick what Sudden Death rule gets used.
What's more? Sudden Death rules only make it so that a Major Victory can be accomplished immediately instead of the Battleplan objectives--and many of the Battleplans actually remove Sudden Death rules from play.
Does anyone know of someone who actually has a 10 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin. These examples come up regularly and whilst it's possible, it seems highly improbable.
Battles and war in real life are very rarely even or have balanced forces. While no one wants to get pummeled regularly, sometimes it's just fun to play the game
fleegle23 wrote: Does anyone know of someone who actually has a 10 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin. These examples come up regularly and whilst it's possible, it seems highly improbable.
Battles and war in real life are very rarely even or have balanced forces. While no one wants to get pummeled regularly, sometimes it's just fun to play the game
I don't have 20 glotkin, but i do have 11 bloodthirsters.
Is the Bell+Birdy thing still a...thing? Because that would be hilarious. Wait until everyone deployed their models, deploy yours, game starts, you win. Boom, drop the mic, back of backwards flailing your arms.
Back to N&R: I don't know if this has been posted, haven't seen it in the last 4 pages. It's not really THAT new, but.. pictures of the AoS Chaos Fortress leaked by Atia:
fleegle23 wrote: Battles and war in real life are very rarely even or have balanced forces. While no one wants to get pummeled regularly, sometimes it's just fun to play the game
Yes, game. Not real life. Games need to have some semblance of balance or fairness or they start getting old really quick.
War in real life isn't balanced, no, so you're right. It's also not fun, either.
Chaos terrain looks way OTT, but I guess it's kinda supposed to. Wondering how much it costs, haven't been too impressed with any of the other AoS pieces so far and the prices have all been outrageous for what they are.
fleegle23 wrote: Does anyone know of someone who actually has a 10 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin. These examples come up regularly and whilst it's possible, it seems highly improbable.
Battles and war in real life are very rarely even or have balanced forces. While no one wants to get pummeled regularly, sometimes it's just fun to play the game
I don't have 20 glotkin, but i do have 11 bloodthirsters.
I am not sure where people get this idea since most thigns I seen so far hosted where :
2 unit with the hero
No unit may contain more then 20 wounds
the player can not have more then 50 wounds total.
So 2 glotkin then the rest are void they even showed an example of a set up. And most of this aos stuff is predeployed battles ect so no reason to think in the future they will not stuck to their earlier plan.
fleegle23 wrote: Does anyone know of someone who actually has a 10 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin. These examples come up regularly and whilst it's possible, it seems highly improbable.
Battles and war in real life are very rarely even or have balanced forces. While no one wants to get pummeled regularly, sometimes it's just fun to play the game
I don't have 20 glotkin, but i do have 11 bloodthirsters.
And no one who would probably play against that army.
Sidstyler wrote: Chaos terrain looks way OTT, but I guess it's kinda supposed to. Wondering how much it costs, haven't been too impressed with any of the other AoS pieces so far and the prices have all been outrageous for what they are.
EverythingGW makes is OTT... That's part of their aesthetic.
We'll see in a day or two about the price, but I would suspect in the US$100 range for the tower (it looks pretty big).
I actually think the terrain is some of the nicest stuff that's come out Age of Sigmar so far. Everything's relative, I guess, but terrain is generally pretty pricey. Foam hills and dinky trees at the hobby shop are expensive >.<
fleegle23 wrote: Does anyone know of someone who actually has a 10 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin. These examples come up regularly and whilst it's possible, it seems highly improbable.
Battles and war in real life are very rarely even or have balanced forces. While no one wants to get pummeled regularly, sometimes it's just fun to play the game
I don't have 20 glotkin, but i do have 11 bloodthirsters.
And no one who would probably play against that army.
What I think people are forgetting about this ruleset is the relative unit parity which exists in the game now.
I still think the idea of 20 Glottkin or 11 Bloodthirsters are silly, but keep in mind now that many things just wound on a 4-5 now. Sure, armor saves are still very much in play, but models can do much more damage to monsters than they used to now that damage is static. Considering also that monsters lose effectiveness as wounds are lost and that without a points value you can take more infantry if you wish, I feel that the idea of 11 Bloodthirsters means less than it used to, using the old power metrics.
Then again, I don't play AoS and don't intend to, so maybe I'm wrong.
As for the new model, it certainly seems that GW has gone OTT on the muscles, which is a trend which has continued with Chaos for a while. I'll pass on this model, but I'm a bit excited for where it could go.
Cryonicleech wrote: What I think people are forgetting about this ruleset is the relative unit parity which exists in the game now.
I still think the idea of 20 Glottkin or 11 Bloodthirsters are silly, but keep in mind now that many things just wound on a 4-5 now. Sure, armor saves are still very much in play, but models can do much more damage to monsters than they used to now that damage is static. Considering also that monsters lose effectiveness as wounds are lost and that without a points value you can take more infantry if you wish, I feel that the idea of 11 Bloodthirsters means less than it used to, using the old power metrics.
Then again, I don't play AoS and don't intend to, so maybe I'm wrong.
My money's on the Bloodthisters.
I've been playing a little AoS, and Monster wounds are generally better than infantry wounds. Even though Infantry can wound, they tend not to wound as effectively, and Infantry suffer battleshock from slain models vs wounds. A flying beatstick like a Bloodthirster is fast and will get into HtH pretty quickly, and outraces most shooting / magic damage once he makes contact and gets "stuck in".
What AoS needs is big Magic that auto-removes d3 models from play as counterbalance to things like Monsters, completing the RPS circle. Take too many Monsters, and Magic deletes your army, just as too much Infantry is cancelled by Monsters, or how Infantry trumps that same Magic.
Sigvatr wrote: Is the Bell+Birdy thing still a...thing? Because that would be hilarious. Wait until everyone deployed their models, deploy yours, game starts, you win. Boom, drop the mic, back of backwards flailing your arms.
It never was a thing - people intentionally misreading rules - nothing more.
I am unimpressed with the new fortress tbh and the prices just keep going up.
Glad to see somr of the mdf sellers are starting to make versions of the gate ways etc...... had a glance through the new book and again its a lot of money for what it is so may not buy - i really enjoy fluff books but £45........... also still not split into rules and fluff books - one of the best things about End Times, 4ok Campaign books IMO.
fleegle23 wrote: Does anyone know of someone who actually has a 10 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin. These examples come up regularly and whilst it's possible, it seems highly improbable.
Battles and war in real life are very rarely even or have balanced forces. While no one wants to get pummeled regularly, sometimes it's just fun to play the game
I don't have 20 glotkin, but i do have 11 bloodthirsters.
And no one who would probably play against that army.
But that's a problem, because it's a legal army under the new rules. It's not a problem because we're actually likely to see loads of armies of 11 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin, but because it means GW have abdicated their responsibility to set the common frame of reference for the game, and so now essentially nobody has any idea where they stand. Consider the long-running irrational opposition to Forgeworld rules/units from many 40K players; some people only refused to play certain units that they personally saw as overpowered(but rarely the same units from one group to another), some refused to play against FW army lists, some just point-blank refused to allow FW, and all that confusion came about because of GW's "just decide amongst yourselves" attitude to FW by GW.
When you force players to essentially build their own version of the game from group to group, you force them to create insular, exclusionary communities that will have to be very lucky indeed to keep up a high enough rate of recruitment to offset the normal process of player loss, not only because you'll have to explain to truly new recruits why the army they bought at GW exactly according to the game rules is illegal by whatever bodge-job comp or points system you've cooked up amongst yourselves, but because some groups are going to be banning things for petty or irrational reasons and nobody wants to show up at a club and find they can't use their favourite unit that they spend tons of time & money converting because the local majority clique got beaten by an army featuring it before and are sore losers.
That common frame of reference that rules are supposed to provide puts everyone on roughly the same page and tones down most people's personal complaints and bugbears to a level where just about everyone can have a satisfactory game with everyone else. Take that away, get into the mindset of "that's legal, but I think it's unfair so BANNED" whether justified or not, and we're back to the FW situation but applied to an entire game system rather than just some supplementary products. It's mental, not just from a game design perspective, but from a commercial perspective as well because making it harder to find games or putting people off collecting as a result of a bad experience with a petty local group isn't going to help your bottom line.
I would imagine that it would more a problem for Bloodthirster guy as its not a tournament. So there will not be definite match-ups, it will be more of a 'find an opponent and a table and let us know what happened' type affair.
Bloodthirster guy might find himself sitting there for a while.
notprop wrote: I would imagine that it would more a problem for Bloodthirster guy as its not a tournament.
It's a problem for everyone because there's no well defined line in the sand that will stop other people from getting hit by the same boycotts. We've already seen people complaining about people who have too many Ogres in their Ogre Kingdom army (because 1 Ogre is better than 1 Halberdier, but the rules treat them as of equal value).
We played a 60 wounds points game yesterday. It was my Empire Militia/State troops and five dwarf slayers vs five Giants. At the end of the game I had 26 wounds left and the Giants player had 20. Other then my troops constantly getting stuffed in the Giants pants I felt the game was pretty even.
I think the fortress seems to sway towards being Khornate, but there are no actual symbols moulded on it (from what we have thus far seen). Any God specific Chaos player worth their salt will probably have enough symbols in their bitz box to make it God-specific should they so wish.
I hope the terrain is made up of smaller pieces at £20-30 a box rather than a huge £100 odd mega set. But we shall see.
Bellygrub wrote: We played a 60 wounds points game yesterday. It was my Empire Militia/State troops and five dwarf slayers vs five Giants. At the end of the game I had 26 wounds left and the Giants player had 20. Other then my troops constantly getting stuffed in the Giants pants I felt the game was pretty even.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: I think the fortress seems to sway towards being Khornate, but there are no actual symbols moulded on it (from what we have thus far seen). Any God specific Chaos player worth their salt will probably have enough symbols in their bitz box to make it God-specific should they so wish.
I hope the terrain is made up of smaller pieces at £20-30 a box rather than a huge £100 odd mega set. But we shall see.
The other terrains are £30, £35, that kind of price level. The magic gates were a limited edition, though, and already OOP.
I think the terrain looks pretty nice and a good buy if you don't want to build your own, though I can't find a lot of use for it myself.
Ya, the initial run sold out, and the website listed them as No Longer Available, instead of Out of Stock which caused some confusion. There was even a thread here about it. A week after they sold out, they became available again and have remained available since.
WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 83 english 4
BATTLETOME: CHAOS DREADHOLD english 33 book (also french version)
KHORNE BLOODBOUND BLOOD WARRIORS 62 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: SKULL KEEP 75 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: MALEFIC GATE 100 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: OVERLORD BASTION 130 plastic
AGE OF SIGMAR: GHAL MARAZ 24 book
CHAOS DREADHOLD FORTRESS WALL 25 plastic DIRECT ONLY
It probably includes rules for how the whole thing operates and how players can destroy it, as right now aside from a single Battlescroll Formation in the book that came out this past week there isn't really a way to do that.
I also would not be surprised to see the basic rules of it online.
So, if I were to want this castle, I would buy one of each of the dread holds main pieces ($130 +$100 + $75), probably three walls to connect them ($25 * 3, direct only) and then the book ($33)? That makes a grand total of $413, which is $83 more than getting an entire realm of battle board through GW.
That is quite a price. My main hope with AoS was that GW was going to make the price point quite a bit cheaper to get into the game. And granted, I know that a newer person wouldn't buy all of these, but seeing as how they might only be able to afford a wall and maybe the gates (whenever they are available), makes it difficult to build up terrain specific to this game.
The quality looks good and all, that's just quite the price tag.
HobbyBox wrote: So, if I were to want this castle, I would buy one of each of the dread holds main pieces ($130 +$100 + $75), probably three walls to connect them ($25 * 3, direct only) and then the book ($33)? That makes a grand total of $413, which is $83 more than getting an entire realm of battle board through GW.
That is quite a price. My main hope with AoS was that GW was going to make the price point quite a bit cheaper to get into the game. And granted, I know that a newer person wouldn't buy all of these, but seeing as how they might only be able to afford a wall and maybe the gates (whenever they are available), makes it difficult to build up terrain specific to this game.
The quality looks good and all, that's just quite the price tag.
I have a hard time believing that this will have the walls only available Direct Only. For a time they sold individual Realm of Battle tiles via Direct Only--and I am thinking that the "Skull Keep" is the basic set and the others are different boxes with walls involved.
I don't know anyone who will buy the skull keep at that price, but my FLGS will buy a set (or even a couple) and plenty of people will enjoy it there. I'm sure GW thinks that their "GW Hobbyist" customers will be buying this but really I think it will sell mostly to stores or groups of people getting them collectively.
durecellrabbit wrote: Are Blood Warriors 5 models like the starter set? They seem quite expensive if that is the case.
I would be surprised if they're 5 models, since the new option(Goreglaive) is 1 in every 10.
The unit size listed is 5 and up--but that jibes with the fact that Retributors retain their 3 and up size from the starter box despite the other Paladin variants(Protectors and Decimators) are 5 and up models.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I don't know anyone who will buy the skull keep at that price, but my FLGS will buy a set (or even a couple) and plenty of people will enjoy it there. I'm sure GW thinks that their "GW Hobbyist" customers will be buying this but really I think it will sell mostly to stores or groups of people getting them collectively.
I have to see the pictures of the actual set to see if it's worthwhile. There are some really nice, large 40k sets that are expensive in absolute dollars, but cheap in terms of how much you get, like the Fortress of Redemption. I mean, it's huge, fills up tons of the tabletop, and is a centerpiece.
Not going to buy any of them, unless they have generic conversion usefulness, though, because I'm not really a Chaos guy. The only Chaos model I've bought alone in 20 years was the Bloodthirster; the rest of them were all part of another bundle like Dark Vengenace, Assassin box, etc.
WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 83 english 4
BATTLETOME: CHAOS DREADHOLD english 33 book (also french version)
KHORNE BLOODBOUND BLOOD WARRIORS 62 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: SKULL KEEP 75 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: MALEFIC GATE 100 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: OVERLORD BASTION 130 plastic
AGE OF SIGMAR: GHAL MARAZ 24 book
CHAOS DREADHOLD FORTRESS WALL 25 plastic DIRECT ONLY
1. Pounds, Euros, or Dollars(US)?
2. What the buggery is a "BATTLETOME"?
Part of me wants to get the blood keep, but I just obliterated my scenery budget at tabletop world. I had to do shameful things like sell old models on ebay, convice other retailers to sell GW and get a bounty for them from GW. Even begged the wife. But in the end i have one of every building they currently make. http://www.tabletop-world.com/
Mordheim Lives! ....or maybe Altdorf.
We play AOS with large amounts of houses, roads, walls, and forests.
I'm hoping the chaos buildings and walls can be used to make a good table that isn't necessarily just a fortress to besiege.
The updated blood warrior profile is in the ghal maraz book. They can have axe and gorefist or two axes. For every one in ten they can have that blood glaive thing. The only other new option is giving them a standard but that's it. No musician, no special weapon other than the glaive. Two axes gives you a reroll one ones as per standard. Just as well keeping them all with gorefists to be fair
mikhaila wrote: Part of me wants to get the blood keep, but I just obliterated my scenery budget at tabletop world. I had to do shameful things like sell old models on ebay, convice other retailers to sell GW and get a bounty for them from GW. Even begged the wife. But in the end i have one of every building they currently make. http://www.tabletop-world.com/
Mordheim Lives! ....or maybe Altdorf.
We play AOS with large amounts of houses, roads, walls, and forests.
I'm hoping the chaos buildings and walls can be used to make a good table that isn't necessarily just a fortress to besiege.
I think GW should give you one for free, just because.
Chaos Dreadhold : Skull Keep has skull keep, 2 doors, and a balcony. $75 USD $90 CAD
Chaos Dreadhold: Malefic Gate has 1 gate, 2 wall sections and a bridge. $100 USD, $120 CAD
Chaos Dreadhold: Overlord Bastion has 1 skull keep, 1 tower block, 1 stairway, and a wall end $130 USD, $160 CAD
Chaos Dreadhold Wall has 1 wall section and is $25 USD /$30 CAD and is Direct (which means that stores must buy it directly from the UK; and in some circumstances must pay shipping)
Battletome is $33/$40 BloodBound Blood Warriors are $62/$74
Would making the floating styro 1-2 ft crags scenery, with stuff on the table, be out of order in this type of terrain?
I could see a couple of basic chaos ruin towers on them floating around, Really not digging the game, but those chaos supplemental;s are really getting me thinking of getting them for the 40K army I'm working on for chaos.
add them in with my cultists, and give them some heavy weapons and turn them loose.
), you have simply told us that you dislike "sigmarines" many times, and seem unwilling to notice that 
I'm quite tempted to buy the model. I should resist, however -- I have like, 20 painted Chaos models out of 200+ that I own, including the new Bloodthirster, and I'm unlikely to chip away at that at any reasonable speed.
) and decided that that icon/large weapon bearer pose would be perfect to copy for their new sculpt? Seriously? Or is it more likely that they just sculpted a model which had to have a (very) large axe and a smaller hand-held blade, and decided that this pose seemed like a good idea?
