His Master's Voice wrote: GW might have kept the lore bit about Sorcerers turning to stone with age.
I thought it wasn't age, but rather their use of magic...
Eh, a bit of a wonky mental shortcut on my part - the older the Sorcerer, the more magic he would have used over the course of his life and the more stone like he'd become as a result.
But yeah, the root cause of petrification was magic use.
I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.
Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.
Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.
Man it sucks but it makes sense. IMOFEC and Soulblight really shouldn't be separate factions. But GW really needed a 4th army for Death, and they couldn't split off Wights/Skeletons since they already had Bonereapers...
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.
Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.
Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.
Man it sucks but it makes sense. IMOFEC and Soulblight really shouldn't be separate factions. But GW really needed a 4th army for Death, and they couldn't split off Wights/Skeletons since they already had Bonereapers...
Hard disagree. FEC is one of the genuinely good and original ideas GW ever had. No need to tie them down to another faction like that.
I’ll add my voice to “having competing nations of undead is cool”.
With Nagash, the father of all Necromancy, become a, and very nearly the God of Death? Having distinct forces under him does make sense. And each brings something different to his table.
Keeping them distinct, with at the very least their leaders, as is suited to Undead, having their own agenda and ego really works for me.
FEC are a particularly interesting culture, due to the curse.
Of the other three? Ossiarch are pretty much entirely bound to Nagash’s will, but in return as a whole have sentience. Vampires have sentience and a certain amount of freedom, but those they control and lead have neither. Nighthaunt are kind of the wildcard. Not summoned or necessarily desired by Nagash, but a tool he’s bent to his will all the same.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: FEC is one of the genuinely good and original ideas GW ever had. No need to tie them down to another faction like that.
Why would that matter? FEC lore is for the most part a carbon copy of Strigoi lore from WFB, where they were quite comfortably a part of VC.
In fact, Strigoi courts in WFB were decisively more interesting than the current AoS offering of a ghoul with stick, ghoul with bigger stick, ghoul on a ghoul with a stick and bigger ghoul with stick.
It really, really isn't. The Strigoi never had the madness wrapped up as honour as a part of their fluff. They were the generic outcast monsters that the other vampires just bullied.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: FEC is one of the genuinely good and original ideas GW ever had. No need to tie them down to another faction like that.
Why would that matter? FEC lore is for the most part a carbon copy of Strigoi lore from WFB, where they were quite comfortably a part of VC.
In fact, Strigoi courts in WFB were decisively more interesting than the current AoS offering of a ghoul with stick, ghoul with bigger stick, ghoul on a ghoul with a stick and bigger ghoul with stick.
Did the Strigoi have a collective delusion of being noble knights?
So a couple had madness? Not really the same thing as a species wide contagion that convinces them they're noble, holy warriors and protectors of the weak.
So on one side its a shame that the Vampires from Old World don't retain the vampires, ghosts and feral vampires of old.
At the same time splintering them into 3 forces means that there's space in the roster now for Vampires to have more were-vampires and wolves and things
Room for the Ghost army to have a massive number of various kinds of ghost
Room for the Flesh Eater Courts to go utterly nuts.
Whilst the design language for all 3 was once unified (as the Coven Throne still shows and the current BlackRider/Hex Rider kit) the split has allowed them to diverge quite a lot.
Much like the split of demons into 4 factions, it really feels like Death have done well splintering up into 3 factions and then adding the Ossiarchs for another layer of flavour to the roster.
FEC were the weakest for a long while, having cool lore but models that didn't really reflect it. The recent update really brought home their madness and I think more models like those being added to the roster will really help them stand apart
And yeah Terrorghiest and Zombie Dragon being separate kits makes 100% sense - it allows GW to be much more dynamic and detailed with the posing and detailing on the models.
I've worked in and around the industry for almost two decades now, and once in a rare while get some of that friends and family preview magic. Sometimes it is awesome (I got to see an early sculpt of Fulgrim ages ago), and sometimes its worthless (at one point internally GW was legitmately flirting with a weird vampire pirate faction with crab monsters and odd stuff... then went a wholly different direction).
Anyway, I am super excited for literally every SBGL release, though as a Spearhead superfan, I am worried that one box at a glance doesn't seem terribly unique.
Don't know if anyone else caught it at the end of the page for SGL reveals, but they appear to have redone the standard Skeletons again to be easier to build. Not sure if that means recut versions of the Cursed City set or completely new sculpts, but shows they realised the very fragile nature of some of the parts in the current kit.
Yep, it was noticed. Iirc, thats the third iteration of that kit, iirc the version currently available is not the same as the one in cursed city, now the new one is yet another updare to them.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.
Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.
Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.
Man it sucks but it makes sense. IMOFEC and Soulblight really shouldn't be separate factions. But GW really needed a 4th army for Death, and they couldn't split off Wights/Skeletons since they already had Bonereapers...
Hard disagree. FEC is one of the genuinely good and original ideas GW ever had. No need to tie them down to another faction like that.
I just wish FEC had kept one other basic undead unit, I would have took Zombies.
I'll be brutally honest and say that zombies are perhaps my least favourite element of the soulblight army and "almost" feel like they don't fit in the modern organised, neat and tidy armies of modern soulblight.
I wouldn't shed a tear if they left and went to serve the ghouls
Overread wrote: I'll be brutally honest and say that zombies are perhaps my least favourite element of the soulblight army and "almost" feel like they don't fit in the modern organised, neat and tidy armies of modern soulblight.
I wouldn't shed a tear if they left and went to serve the ghouls
Would be cool to get a zombie kit with obvious bite marks and chunks taken out of them to fit the theme. “Sometimes the Courts find themselves at need of larger numbers of troops than the nobility can provide. On such occasions, rather than recruit from the general populace, their enlightened rulers instead conscript those who have transgressed the law in some way and require punishment. They are marked as such by the courtiers before being allowed to serve in order to complete their sentences.”
The fun thing is that if ghouls had zombies then they fit the "peasant army" theme of their "Noble warriors madness" really well.
You've got:
Zombies - peasant warriors
Ghouls - professional soldiers
Also as zombies are basically without will of their own and do the will of their master; with an insane master the zombies of ghouls would fit in perfectly with following their delusions. Imagine coming across a whole village where the peasants working the land are zombies trying to plough fields and so forth. Seeing them standing trading for fish in the market etc....
Heck even the zombie cart (without the rider) basically fits into FEC way better than Soulblight
BertBert wrote: Anyone have an educated guess as to when the new zombie dragon will be released?
Any time within the next 3 months.
That's basically GW's window for releases when they do a preview; roughly a 3 month window of previews.
My guess is after Eldar we'll get a smaller/specialist game release and then another big one. So it might go Eldar (already announced); Necromunda; Soulblight.
The new Mechanicum 30K model is on its own so unless its a teaser for a bigger update that they've held back on; that could come on its own alongside anything else, but possibly another good one to slot alongside Necromunda.
I totally forgot about that yeah! That being the case then yeah I'd 100% expect them to be the next AoS army.
That being the case we might even see EC come out before Soulblight then and we are certainly looking at probably around 2-3 month release window for the Soulblight then!
Overread wrote: The new Mechanicum 30K model is on its own so unless its a teaser for a bigger update that they've held back on; that could come on its own alongside anything else, but possibly another good one to slot alongside Necromunda.
Both Necromunda and HH have shown off a number of resin models that have not been released that would go well alongside the Thanatar or Ash Wastes guys for a single or seperate weeks.
I mean you say that but all the old world resins that just came out haven't seemed to move at all over the weekend. Just the one wizard, so somethings' slowed down. And this is coming from someone who was dumb enough to get Frydaal at that price for my Darkoath.
Overread wrote: True but I've mostly been watching the Brets/Mechanicum stuff jumping in and out of stock.
I do hope GW are turning a corner and that stocks can keep up
I don't know why, but i've noticed the battle wizard keeps dropping in and out of stock the last couple of days. Not sure if people are cancelling an order and then someone else gets it or something.
YAY! I have zero interest in Gitz but this means one more step toward Soulblight preorders! Just got to wait for AoS to get its next release window then!
Also that's one chunky release - a load of Necromunda AND AoS AND Made to order Empire AND NEW GOTREK BOOK
kodos wrote: Those boxes always have the same discount, so they cannot include more even if they wanted to
Makes me wonder how pricey the individual unit boxes are going to be then! There's only three in this goblin one - wolf riderz, chariots and boss grot.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: All cavalry and chariots vs all infantry. Not a huge surprise and the EC one i bet is going to cost a hell of a lot more.
They are really stretching the definition of 'army box' in my opinion. It's nine fething models. And they're goblins.
You're misspelling the word wolves there
It's 2 chariots, 1 cavalry and 1 mounted leader. Like the Krieg box, once you start putting higher priced models into the set, the number of total models comes down. The EC box looks "better" because its basically a boxed set of just infantry (tactical marines) and an infantry leader. There's no cavalry or monster in there to eat up a chunk of cash.
kodos wrote: Those boxes always have the same discount, so they cannot include more even if they wanted to
I mean, nobody is forcing GW to make the boxes always have the same discount...
If they wanted to, they could totally make it a better/different deal.
They don't want to though, because they'll sell out either way.
I think it'll be four individual boxes in total, the wolf cavalry seems to be three models per box ("two units of Snarlpack Cavalry")? Not that this changes much :p
MobileSuitRandom wrote: I think it'll be four individual boxes in total, the wolf cavalry seems to be three models per box ("two units of Snarlpack Cavalry")? Not that this changes much :p
What a world, where wolf riderz only come with one more model per box than chariots!
MobileSuitRandom wrote: I think it'll be four individual boxes in total, the wolf cavalry seems to be three models per box ("two units of Snarlpack Cavalry")? Not that this changes much :p
What a world, where wolf riderz only come with one more model per box than chariots!
These aren't the base version Wolf Riders(which have been out for a while and come 5 to a box), these are the elite version on bigger wolves.
I'm not sure he's meaningfully distinct from any other clawlord mini, but certainly a very nice sculpt in a vaccum
Anniversery and promo models shouldn't be meaninglyfully distinct from generally available versions, but cosmetic variations, otherwise it becomes problematic.
So if its the same price as the other Spearheads (and we have no reason to believe it won't be) thats 65€ more to swap the Underworlds warband for Droggz da Sunchompa and getting the codex and cards.
So only a tiny discount on the army set and as long as you have a use for the Warband the army set is probably not worth it.
The only reason this makes sense that I can see is if we have another price increase coming soon so the Spearhead will already have an increased price when it launches
The only reason this makes sense that I can see is if we have another price increase coming soon so the Spearhead will already have an increased price when it launches
Last year GW did it's price increase on June 10th 2024.
The year before it was on March 6th 2023.
Maybe this year we are back to a March price increase.
So we should keep our eyes open for a GW official announcement in February then about a price increase.
Adepticon this year is March 26th to March 30th, 2025. Interesting if the price increase happens before the next wave of previews hits. Oh well it had to happen sometime but damn was hoping some new releases would beat the annual price shift.
So if its the same price as the other Spearheads (and we have no reason to believe it won't be) thats 65€ more to swap the Underworlds warband for Droggz da Sunchompa and getting the codex and cards.
The presence of the Battletome and cards is, GW price-wise, a big thing. Also, you get the Battletome early and it is a collector's edition (YMMV on both of those, obviously).
What I would be more worried about is that those Underworlds doggos may _only_ be available in the Spearhead set, much like the Savagers of the Darkoath Spearhead. That is... actually a big problem for those of us who already have everything else and were not really excited about buying more of the same to get one unit. I mean, yes, you can always use more Marauders and Fellriders, but I really do not want them right now and just want to give the Spearhead a whirl...
At least nothing was locked behind the Ironjawz Spearhead...
I wonder if its going to be the fate of the warbands who don't get put into Underworld Grand Alliance Warband bundles like the ones that were released a few weeks ago.
Honestly I hope we don't lose the Underworld Sculpts - some are really awesome models and its a shame that they end up being character models that kind of end up either being too weak to take or broken.
Having them as regular units or as optional addon models for regular units is a great idea and hopefully we see more of it happen.
Overread wrote: Honestly I hope we don't lose the Underworld Sculpts - some are really awesome models and its a shame that they end up being character models that kind of end up either being too weak to take or broken.
Having them as regular units or as optional addon models for regular units is a great idea and hopefully we see more of it happen.
Definitely. I am just baffled why they aren't maintaining them in general.
AegisGrimm wrote: 100%. There are several warbands from Underworlds I kick myself for not getting then they became available without the Underworld materials.
I feel like some didn’t even get a general, non-WHU release which is frustrating.
AegisGrimm wrote: 100%. There are several warbands from Underworlds I kick myself for not getting then they became available without the Underworld materials.
I feel like some didn’t even get a general, non-WHU release which is frustrating.
AegisGrimm wrote: 100%. There are several warbands from Underworlds I kick myself for not getting then they became available without the Underworld materials.
I feel like some didn’t even get a general, non-WHU release which is frustrating.
And some haven't been released outside of their initial 2 band release box at all.
Had a quick look at Robs (Honest Wargamer) review and the Snarlboss and retinue have regular warscrolls as well as spearhead warscrolls.
That's good to know.
In hobby preparation, I got my first 10 Snarlfang riders assembled, with 10 more waiting on sprues. Fun little kit with a decent amount of options, aside from having only 1 banner and musician. Probably part out one of the icons on the poles from the new chariots for my second unit of Snarlfang.
I really liked the Gloomspite retrospective article too. Brought back a lot of memories as some of them were the "current kits" when I got into the hobby. And the most recent Skarnsik model still holds up very well in my opinion. Wish I had kept the one that I had in metal.
Had a quick look at Robs (Honest Wargamer) review and the Snarlboss and retinue have regular warscrolls as well as spearhead warscrolls.
That's good to know.
In hobby preparation, I got my first 10 Snarlfang riders assembled, with 10 more waiting on sprues. Fun little kit with a decent amount of options, aside from having only 1 banner and musician. Probably part out one of the icons on the poles from the new chariots for my second unit of Snarlfang.
I really liked the Gloomspite retrospective article too. Brought back a lot of memories as some of them were the "current kits" when I got into the hobby. And the most recent Skarnsik model still holds up very well in my opinion. Wish I had kept the one that I had in metal.
That Skarsnik is one of my favorite models ever. I love Skarsnik as a character, being a badass boss through cunning and intelligence. I remember the silhouette of the model being teased on the website and when i saw the model finally i was overjoyed with how good it was.
Great review as always but I think you have a small mistake in there as you say that the Snarlpack Cavalry is two models per kit for four models in the box but it should be 3 per kit for 6 in the box
Once again, preview git provides Thank you for your service!
You are referring to Snarlpack Cavalry as both 2 and 3 model kit, you may want to double-check that. Also, with the chariots being on 105x70mm oval bases, am I correct to assume that they should fit nicely on 50x100mm bases should one wish to use them in Old World instead?
The AoS Coach battletome review on youtube has me somewhat excited for the Gitz in terms of playability.
A few things nerfed, but it doesn't seem like an Orruk Warclans copy/paste type job where nothing really improved.
Because of Stormbringer, I have a decent chunk of Moonclan to supplement my almost painted Snarlfang and the Army set that I ordered this Saturday until the other gitmob stuff releases.
It will all be points dependent, but I feel like going full on Gitmob will be a wild ride.
I think some of it is dulled by going with armies that have fairly old sculpts so you kind of get a dulled overview.
That said I think its more that because Slaves exists in both games and the design language is basically identical it carries over really well for both games. Heck it wouldn't surprise me one bit if she was originally an AoS sculpt that got pilfered to move over.
I'm not outraged by anything at a quick glance, Snarlfang went down 10 points and everything else seems reasonable. Going to do some list building tonight. Hopefully the Doom Diver and the character chariots release soon.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: At the very least, i would expect a redone Epidemius. As i don't believe that rumour engine alluding to him has been solved yet.
Maybe Daemon Prince Festus, instead? He did get promoted during the End Times...
Having a blast with the Gitmob boxed set. Bought 2!
I got 4 Chariots built up in mostly unique ways (Driver and wolves are the only thing repeating), Sunchompa built and only the Snarlpack Cavalry to assemble tomorrow. Planning on bitzing out pieces of my second Sunchompa to make a converted Snarlboss in the future, though he’s huge.
Rather than bother with a swapshop thread: Anyone in the continental USA that wants my spare battletome+ cards, hit me up in private message. Pay shipping (paypal, UPS ground, amount to be determined) and its all yours. First come, first served.
Don't rub it in, mine hasn't arrived yet lol mostly looking forward to dicking around with placement of the gitz on the chariots. Seems like there's a lot of opportunity for amusing positioning.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Maleneth and her book next week:
Anyone know if these limited Black Library figures like Maleneth are they only from the GW website? Or from the Black Library website? Or are they even available from 3rd party online stores or Independent stores?
Never bought one before so I don't know and would rather know in advance before pre-order or release day if possible.
She'll be the only "must have" that I pick up. Wouldn't mind the limited edition of her book, but I know those tend to sell out fast and cost a fair bit on top.
gorgeous models. in particular i like the necromancer guy. a different necromancer makes it easier to do soulblight with a different flavor, especially with what's her name last year
I have mixed feelings. The models look cool, but like:
* Why does Solia have a knife? She's his advisor, she's never used in combat and I don't think she'd be able to do anything if she could. She's just an invisible ghost advisor. He has other ghosts that actually can fight.
* Aurelias doesn't look like a frail "harmless" old man. I can't recall if he even had any fancy headgear, but this model just feels like a variation of that snake vampire lady
* Was Kennistrix a snake in the book? I thought it had one head on either end, and also, it wasn't a massive creature. It hung out around his neck most of the novel.
* The Regiment of Renown rules being only for Death feel off. Like its soulblight, I get it, but Cado consistently helps Cities of Sigmar. I can't see him allying with FEC (or bonereapers...), so it just doesn't feel very fluffy.
That's likely just branding and marketing - much easier to keep the grand alliances as separate as possible rules wise.
Most named characters often help or aid other factions and if you start going down that rabbithole you end up everyone getting into every army.
So its easier to just game-wise argue that if Cado is helping the CoS he's doing so via bringing a soulblight army to a battle rather than by walking in and helping just on his own.
Naw likely just terrain - GW will throw things together with kit bashes or just 3D print something for terrain.
I also hope its not faction terrain because it looks big and stupidly big faction terrain is just unfun.
Skaven Gnawholes work great because they are small and fit on the table.
Ossiarch pledge temple thing is a nightmare because its freaking massive. You can't just "slip it onto the table"
I suspect its because the next half is still in development and GW wants to have something now rather than wait even more months with no fresh animation content.
flaherty wrote: Early candidate for models of the year. Each one is stunning, taken together they're one of the nicest looking units in the game.
Nah, whatever Primarch is/was released will be model(s) of the year. Its tradition, I believe.
But yeah, they are great sculpts in a great overall army range. I'd say that aside from the Vampire Lord on foot with the weird flowing bat-hair, all of the Soulblight stuff has been stellar.
flaherty wrote: Early candidate for models of the year. Each one is stunning, taken together they're one of the nicest looking units in the game.
Nah, whatever Primarch is/was released will be model(s) of the year. Its tradition, I believe.
But yeah, they are great sculpts in a great overall army range. I'd say that aside from the Vampire Lord on foot with the weird flowing bat-hair, all of the Soulblight stuff has been stellar.
If GW keeps the separation they introduced last year, Primarchs will have to be content with clogging the 40k and Other categories.
We can then vote the AoS model with the biggest hat to the top of the AoS category, as it was always meant to be. Sadly the average bigness of these guys' hats is severely lacking, what with them sharing a single hat between them. Good effort from the snake guy, but I don't think his team has his back.
Geifer wrote: I certainly look forward to seeing how modern GW envisions Chaos Dwarfs. Are we expecting them this year?
Well we got the teaser last preview. But the intial rumour said anytime during 4th. So, maybe? Have GW done two big army launches in the same year recently? What with EC being in the nearish future.
Pretty lame sculpts. Isabellas miniature had more character and details looked 3 times sharper, and that model came out ages ago. Bad examples of CAD design imho
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: You're the first one who's said anything negatively of any of those sculpts that i've seen.
Isabella? You mean the finecast panty flasher?
So what? If a lot of people like the sculpts - good for them. I find those vamps to be quite uninspiring.
No, I mean Isabella. If you remember her as panty flasher, and that detail is the thing that stood out for you the most - you do you, mate
I’ve got to say, even if you don’t like the Isabellas design choices, it’s hard to argue that the the vampire gang we are talking about here, has a serious detail sharpness downgrade. Like plastic primarch vs forgeworld. the comparison makes the new minis look a bit too toy like. In good CAD design, the lower fidelity in plastic compared to resin is nicely hidden away (the paint job helps as well). Ad Mech or Cursed city minis are way better quality, than what we see here.
Having finally read the article, I'm in agreement with Garorobe about the limitations that this RoR has in that only Death factions can use him. Unless something happens in his second novel(I haven't read it yet) or an upcoming novel that sours his view of helping humans*, I'm bewildered that Cities of Sigmar can't take him.
* And if that happens, 90% of what makes him special is gone, imo.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: You're the first one who's said anything negatively of any of those sculpts that i've seen.
Isabella? You mean the finecast panty flasher?
So what? If a lot of people like the sculpts - good for them. I find those vamps to be quite uninspiring.
No, I mean Isabella. If you remember her as panty flasher, and that detail is the thing that stood out for you the most - you do you, mate
I’ve got to say, even if you don’t like the Isabellas design choices, it’s hard to argue that the the vampire gang we are talking about here, has a serious detail sharpness downgrade. Like plastic primarch vs forgeworld. the comparison makes the new minis look a bit too toy like. In good CAD design, the lower fidelity in plastic compared to resin is nicely hidden away (the paint job helps as well). Ad Mech or Cursed city minis are way better quality, than what we see here.
It sticks in the mind because it's such an awful design choice. She looked terrible for being on a battlefied.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: You're the first one who's said anything negatively of any of those sculpts that i've seen.
Isabella? You mean the finecast panty flasher?
So what? If a lot of people like the sculpts - good for them. I find those vamps to be quite uninspiring.
No, I mean Isabella. If you remember her as panty flasher, and that detail is the thing that stood out for you the most - you do you, mate
I’ve got to say, even if you don’t like the Isabellas design choices, it’s hard to argue that the the vampire gang we are talking about here, has a serious detail sharpness downgrade. Like plastic primarch vs forgeworld. the comparison makes the new minis look a bit too toy like. In good CAD design, the lower fidelity in plastic compared to resin is nicely hidden away (the paint job helps as well). Ad Mech or Cursed city minis are way better quality, than what we see here.
Exalted.
Plastic characters just can't match the detail of resin. Also, I find that a lot of CAD sculpts are lacking in "character" for want of a better term. A bit soulless, no pun intended
nels1031 wrote: Having finally read the article, I'm in agreement with Garorobe about the limitations that this RoR has in that only Death factions can use him. Unless something happens in his second novel(I haven't read it yet) or an upcoming novel that sours his view of helping humans*, I'm bewildered that Cities of Sigmar can't take him.
* And if that happens, 90% of what makes him special is gone, imo.
I listened to the audiobook (and it's pretty decent) but this whole thing feels off. The ghost makes sense, since she's his chief advisor, but giving her weapons feels dumb. There are other ghosts they could have included that would have fit better. Including Aurelius is weird too. Like he plays a role in the second novel, but it's just for a one-off mission and both vampires don't like him (or are outright hostile to him.) He's not gonna travel with them after the book, so it's like including Elrond in a Fellowship RoR. The first book features Bonereapers, but it's not like Cado is allying with them. No reason for him to help FEC or nighthaunt, so only soulblight are fluffy allies that make sense.
Also, Cado is missing his rings on his hands (which may be inspired by some plot points from the book series) but his other model has them and they're the reason he can have his ghost friends.
SamusDrake wrote: Just thinking they'd make an excellent addition to the Crimson Court, as a full vampire-themed warband for other games.
I'd prefer the twin-headed snake and mage to be separate though, with the latter being converted.
A lot of the Soulblight and FEC stuff gives me FOMO on options for a potential future Mordheim reboot, which is a struggle. I can't really be buying these expensive models for a game that doesn't exist.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: You're the first one who's said anything negatively of any of those sculpts that i've seen.
Isabella? You mean the finecast panty flasher?
So what? If a lot of people like the sculpts - good for them. I find those vamps to be quite uninspiring.
No, I mean Isabella. If you remember her as panty flasher, and that detail is the thing that stood out for you the most - you do you, mate
I’ve got to say, even if you don’t like the Isabellas design choices, it’s hard to argue that the the vampire gang we are talking about here, has a serious detail sharpness downgrade. Like plastic primarch vs forgeworld. the comparison makes the new minis look a bit too toy like. In good CAD design, the lower fidelity in plastic compared to resin is nicely hidden away (the paint job helps as well). Ad Mech or Cursed city minis are way better quality, than what we see here.
Exalted.
Plastic characters just can't match the detail of resin. Also, I find that a lot of CAD sculpts are lacking in "character" for want of a better term. A bit soulless, no pun intended
Yeah, man, it’s not even funny. Just judging on the portraits of the two lady vampires alone- “It’s a human-like shouty face” vs “face has disctinct feminine features and conveys emotion”. 12 lumps of hair vs approx. 30 strands of hair on somewhat similar haircuts. To illustrate my point:
But to be fair, the GW painter probably went through 50 blisters of that model before he found a perfect cast. The plastic one will always come out like the picture.
Turban hair vampire is almost certainly a 3d print. If it was plastic, she'd have a straight sword.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Yeah, when you put the pictures together like that the difference is night and day, which genuinely saddens me.
That turban-esque black hair on the new plastic mini is horrendous, I'm not even certain that it's supposed to be hair.
It's hair. This is one of those times where GW painters' style really downgrades the model's appearance since it's meant to show the detail present on the model rather than mimic a real object. Which in case of many a hairstyle on GW's plastic models is not much at all. I frequently find hair the most underwhelming part of a GW miniature, even if it isn't sporting an outlandish hairdo like Space Wolves or AoS vampires so often do.
GW models are usually good at providing reasonably densely covered surfaces with deep detail that make picking out and painting detail really easy. You can get decent results with simple techniques and not much painting experience. But that quality hardly ever seems to extend to hair.
GW models are usually good at providing reasonably densely covered surfaces with deep detail that make picking out and painting detail really easy. You can get decent results with simple techniques and not much painting experience. But that quality hardly ever seems to extend to hair.
It's partly because of the limitations of plastic (no undercuts with HIPS). It's also presumably why Turban-Hair has a wide jawline, or maybe that was just the designer's intent, who knows at this point.
Realistic looking hair and fur is also far more difficult to achieve in CAD than with traditional sculpting.
From TGA forums. A reliable rumor-source (username "Whitefang back me up") regarding Fyreslayers:
Fyreslayers will not get a battletome.
I’m sorry I don’t have more info to tell about it, but as I’m aware its as simple as BS or BoC leaving.
For the uninitiated, BS (Bonesplittaz) and BoC(Beasts of Chaos) were killed off at the start of 4th edition. So looks like Fyreslayers may well be getting squatted.
Shame, as I played them for 2-ish editions and their Warcry warband were pretty stellar sculpts and I was hoping they'd be the start of a rework for the entire faction.
They were pretty integral to some of the events in AoS, so it'd be pretty wild if they do get squatted. A rebrand and a "soup" book with KO and whatever is still left of Dispossesed(anything?) would be more welcome.
I'd be fairly amazed considering all they've done with Gotrek being a Fyreslayer in all but name for a good long while in the books. At the same time naked/kilt wearing dwarves never quite seemed to get the attention that other forms of dwarf did.
Bonesplittaz wasn't a huge shock to me since at the time Orks had 3 separate models lines in AoS and each one was basically copy-catting the same unit slots and types - at some point something had to change on that front.
Beasts of Chaos got pulled from one game to another probably purely from internal political/management elements.
They aren't lost just moving.
Fyreslayers don't really have any chance to move to the Old World; so squatting could be on the cards. However I'd rather hope that GW might follow through on that whole "Gotrek doing SOMETHING with restoring the Dwarves on ground/mines" in AoS. Perhaps Fyreslayers go back to being an elite unit in a Dwarven army rather than being removed entirely.
I kind of honestly hoped that AoS had got over its removal fetish with the exception of the Dark Elves which have just lived in a constant limbo state for ages.
I do wonder if that's an issue for Fyreslayer sales - they've been in limbo with nothing but hero models for ages. When you've 1 monster (that's a hero choice as well}) and 2 troop options and then a bunch of heroes it kind of leaves you in a weak/less exciting spot.
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nels1031 wrote: whatever is still left of Dispossesed(anything?) would be more welcome.
There's nothing of their model range left - its all in Old World now. So if GW wanted to do them it means an entire new line of dwarf models.
GW should do the Dwarves what they did with the Orcs - put both factions in the same book. Besides, it's not like there's a whole lot of design space for half-naked Dwarves with Big Axes That Shoot Fyre.
BorderCountess wrote: GW should do the Dwarves what they did with the Orcs - put both factions in the same book. Besides, it's not like there's a whole lot of design space for half-naked Dwarves with Big Axes That Shoot Fyre.
Eh Fyreslayers and Khadorans are really different. I can see pushing them into one book to cut down on factions; but at the same time it feels rough to do so.
They don't really draw on any similar core models and even their design language is really different. The only thing they really share is being dwarves.
By all means its better than losing the race and models entirely if that's what's on the cards, but it would feel wonky.
Even more so than the two variations of Ork that are currently mashed together and yet feel like two entirely different styles of model, design and lore
nels1031 wrote: From TGA forums. A reliable rumor-source (username "Whitefang back me up") regarding Fyreslayers:
Fyreslayers will not get a battletome.
I’m sorry I don’t have more info to tell about it, but as I’m aware its as simple as BS or BoC leaving.
For the uninitiated, BS (Bonesplittaz) and BoC(Beasts of Chaos) were killed off at the start of 4th edition. So looks like Fyreslayers may well be getting squatted.
Shame, as I played them for 2-ish editions and their Warcry warband were pretty stellar sculpts and I was hoping they'd be the start of a rework for the entire faction.
They were pretty integral to some of the events in AoS, so it'd be pretty wild if they do get squatted. A rebrand and a "soup" book with KO and whatever is still left of Dispossesed(anything?) would be more welcome.
It would suck for the players, for sure, if Fireslayers went the way of the dodo. I’m still salty about savage orcs, as I have an itch to do a savage/forest gobbos army for old world.
But wouldn’t be surprised if fireslayers got cut - probably the least popular army, that provides very low profits - their whole range is horrendous (corporate design written all over it), and it managed to suck the awesomeness of slayers which is no small feat. And as mentioned above - where do you really go with them to expand the range? Grot hewer of fyre? Fyre pony cavalry?
nels1031 wrote: From TGA forums. A reliable rumor-source (username "Whitefang back me up") regarding Fyreslayers:
Fyreslayers will not get a battletome.
I’m sorry I don’t have more info to tell about it, but as I’m aware its as simple as BS or BoC leaving.
For the uninitiated, BS (Bonesplittaz) and BoC(Beasts of Chaos) were killed off at the start of 4th edition. So looks like Fyreslayers may well be getting squatted.
Shame, as I played them for 2-ish editions and their Warcry warband were pretty stellar sculpts and I was hoping they'd be the start of a rework for the entire faction.
They were pretty integral to some of the events in AoS, so it'd be pretty wild if they do get squatted. A rebrand and a "soup" book with KO and whatever is still left of Dispossesed(anything?) would be more welcome.
It would suck for the players, for sure, if Fireslayers went the way of the dodo. I’m still salty about savage orcs, as I have an itch to do a savage/forest gobbos army for old world.
But wouldn’t be surprised if fireslayers got cut - probably the least popular army, that provides very low profits - their whole range is horrendous (corporate design written all over it), and it managed to suck the awesomeness of slayers which is no small feat. And as mentioned above - where do you really go with them to expand the range? Grot hewer of fyre? Fyre pony cavalry?
Oh they're very easy to expand. Initially, you redo the troops to bring them more in line with the Warcry warband, which were extremely well recieved. Then you give them a smaller cavalry. Young Droth's or some sort of other, smaller creature they've tamed. Then you lean more into their invocations side. Give them more elemental control over fire, lean into the magical side over the Kharadrons technological side. Make them two sides of the same coin.
Even more so than the two variations of Ork that are currently mashed together and yet feel like two entirely different styles of model, design and lore
What about the underground 'shroom-sniffin' goblins and the nitro-wolf-chariot-ridin' goblins that share a book?
Even more so than the two variations of Ork that are currently mashed together and yet feel like two entirely different styles of model, design and lore
What about the underground 'shroom-sniffin' goblins and the nitro-wolf-chariot-ridin' goblins that share a book?
To be fair until recently the wolfy goblins were basically 2 units - goblins on wolf and goblins on chariot with wolves. Much like the spider goblins were just goblins on a spider.
Lore wise they had depth, but model wise they were basically such a tiny model range that they were just an elite unit within a larger army. It's only very recently that the wolfy goblins gained a mounted leader and tandem wolf riders. I think if they got a few more units they'd start to feel more like their own theme and might then be viable to splinter off.
But its a fine line because right now they rely a lot on core goblin units; much like how Skaven have different flavours but all rely on very core units like clanrats and so forth.
Honestly its tricky and sometimes comes down to personal preference; but I'd still argue that each different clan of skaven still uses the very same design language. One just uses flesh more than machine parts; but both are twisted monstrocities. Orruks though have a very different design and even the core basic unit has an entirely different physiology.
It would suck for the players, for sure, if Fireslayers went the way of the dodo. I’m still salty about savage orcs, as I have an itch to do a savage/forest gobbos army for old world.
But wouldn’t be surprised if fireslayers got cut - probably the least popular army, that provides very low profits - their whole range is horrendous (corporate design written all over it), and it managed to suck the awesomeness of slayers which is no small feat. And as mentioned above - where do you really go with them to expand the range? Grot hewer of fyre? Fyre pony cavalry?
I mean, that is your opinion. I actually like the faction a lot. They have a distinct look and vibe, but have been heavily neglected.
What this reminds me of is the Dark Eldar of old, before they got a range refresh back in like 5th edition. The common thought was they were unpopular, but the reality was the range was just old and small. If GW would just commit, make a few more core units and a handful of other options, I am sure they would surge in popularity. But few people want a faction with like... 12 total units of which half are characters that are also bottom rung in performance too.
I will say that being a near-launch faction for AoS, being deeply involved in the lore to this point too, I can't imagine how they would squat them out. This seems a lot like they're gonna get rolled into another faction book like the Orks.
We've seen the same too with armies like Sisters of Battle which missed so many editions they didn't even have plastic troops. Now a mainstay army - but until their big plastic update they were that army everyone talked about but no one bought into.
I will say that being a near-launch faction for AoS, being deeply involved in the lore to this point too, I can't imagine how they would squat them out. This seems a lot like they're gonna get rolled into another faction book like the Orks.
Removing them is easy - GW stops selling the models and the army just vanishes. AoS is so bonkers huge that entire races can rise and vanish and no one bats an eyelid. There's also very limited sense of space and time in the setting so even losing all their territory and the like wouldn't really register on most maps or such. "Oh Fyreslayers - all yeah they were those ancient dwarves who bashed Urgold runes into themselves. They say that they simply boiled themsleves to death or that the Khadorans cheated them out of so much Urgold that now there's only one or two who still roam the land."
Hell, they could say the skaven somehow infected Ur-Gold centuries ago and when the time was right, they activated some spell that killed any fyreslayer with a ur-gold rune. Which would be at the very least, 95% of them.
They’ll give themselves an out by saying that the Fyreslayers sealed their holds to lick their wounds and gather their strength for a possible return at a later date, similar to how they wrote out Bonesplittas and Beasts of Chaos. That way they don’t have to change map markers!
Those additional mausoleums will look good with my Garden of Morr. Too bad they didn't include additional fences/walls as well to expand on the original.
Hopefully the roof isn't too hard to patch. The missing section doesn't really make sense for a metal roof.
Gallahad wrote: Those additional mausoleums will look good with my Garden of Morr. Too bad they didn't include additional fences/walls as well to expand on the original.
The Warcry: Crypt of Blood set has a few sections of corrupted/dilapidated walls/fences.
Hopefully the roof isn't too hard to patch. The missing section doesn't really make sense for a metal roof.
Which part of the roof are you seeing as metal? It all looks like damaged stone to me. There's nothing to suggest it's meant to be metal as far as I can tell.
Overall, looks like some relatively small changes in reaction timing (you can't use a reaction to react to an opponent's reaction if you've already passed on using a reaction in the same chain), Orruk and non-S2D Prince FAQs, and a few little changes to what heroes can be put into non-hero slots.
Overread wrote: Ahh still I expect to lose the model in this latest book update that's coming - since the kit isn't sold by GW any more.
Maybe? From what I recall, we've got a warscroll count for the new Tome and there's a net gain of 8 scrolls assuming it counts spearhead (11 if not). The spells and terrain are five, and we're getting a new horse vampire (everything else looks to replace units at 1:1). The new spearhead is four, so we're losing two scrolls (or gaining five more that we haven't seen, but that seems less likely!). I think the general consensus is that those would be the VLoZD and Terrorgeist since the new dragon kit doesn't look to build either, but the Vargskyr could potentially replace one of those.
Overread wrote: Ahh still I expect to lose the model in this latest book update that's coming - since the kit isn't sold by GW any more.
We have odds on how much of the cursed city stuff is going to stay? So many cool minis in that box.
Most of it: See above maths!
EDIT: Math was off, as I counted three Spearhead rules pages in the warscroll count. We're actually due to gain another warscroll, not lose two! That could be another unit we haven't seen, or Cado's new unit might be split into two or three and we're either full up or are still losing one.
Overread wrote: Ahh still I expect to lose the model in this latest book update that's coming - since the kit isn't sold by GW any more.
We have odds on how much of the cursed city stuff is going to stay? So many cool minis in that box.
My bet - 100% of Cursed City models from the boxed set will be lost
The only ones we'll keep will be those that are sold on their own - so the leader in both forms and the two characters (rat guy and the lady with the mask or wing).
I figure the skeletons won't be a problem as they'll just blend into regular skeleton troops if you've got the models. A few of the named heroes could evne just be stand-in necromancers in your army.
I'd love to see new sculpts of some of the other troop and monster types from the set, but it will be likely a long while before we see them as GW have been updating other things for the core army. Heck we've still likely got a new Terrorgast kit at some point; possibly a new Corpse Cart and Throne models at some point too to bring them more into line with AoS designs and Soulblight asthetics.
So it's confirmed Fyrslyrs get squatted? Nagash's latest ghastly spell turns them all into harmless plush dwarfs so they no longer play a significant role going forward?
Let's add the link to the big merchandise article for the sake of convenience:
I'd assumed there would be a spearhead box for Gitmob but it looks like it's just individual kits for now. Got the release box so just need a boss chariot and Doom Diver for now, I'd pick up a spearhead box if it comes later.
It's a shame there's not a consistent design for the goblins in the new models for the range. You've got a set of three goblins on wolves that are clearly Warhammer fantasy goblins and then the rest of them are a newer design for AoS. I wonder how long they've had the WHFB goblins sculpted and waiting for release.
Haha, €80 for one chariot??? Fat chance I'm going to pay over €150 for 2 normal chariots and one boss chariot.
I thought they'd be nice for my Old World O&G army. Was quite excited. Not anymore though.
On another note, and i might be in the minority here though as a crusty curmudgeon, but that doomdiver, while a solid sculpt, feels unnecessarily cluttered to me compared to the old doom diver. Normally I'm all for an increase in details, but somehow that model bugs me with the sheer amount of added nicknacks that don't do much for the model as a whole.
That would not be a problem in itself if it didn't also mean that the old doom diver is in white metal and costs €41, while this new one is €85! I could buy two old ones for one new one and still have some money left. That monumental increase in cost doesn't make the model any more effective in game though.
I'm normally not one to complain about GW's prices, but some of these prices feel (unecessarily) steep.
Haha indeed, those prices are ridiculous even compared to contemporary releases, the giant ass boar with 3 Ironjaws orcs on it is 65€, a chariot with 2 goblins is 80€. Never mind something old like the Scraplauncher (34€!) that's comparable in size, style and function to the 85€ Doom Diver
The Black Adder wrote: I wonder how long they've had the WHFB goblins sculpted and waiting for release.
They were a Warhammer:Underworlds warband. Rippas Snarlfangs, released in 2019 for the Beastgrave edition of WHU.
Thanks for that, I thought I recognised them. So at least 4 years after the end of WHFB. It seems odd to re-release them alongside the new gobbos. Now that fantasy is back, I'm surprised they didn't return there instead.
Is there a meaningful difference between the wolf with 2 gobbos on and the wolf with a single gobbo on in the AoS rules?
If (as rumoured) chaos dwarfs make an appearance in AoS, do you think they'll be able to take some of these goblin units?
Why would they go there? They were designed for a totally different game in Underworlds.
We know the chaos dwarves are coming, but who knows what they can take. Current rumours say they will get twelve plastic kits. Possibly they will get the Horns of Hashut and the Hobgrots. Maybe.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Why would they go there? They were designed for a totally different game in Underworlds.
Because they don't fit the other gobbos in this release and take their design cues from WHFB. They're great models and may have been designed either for underworlds originally, or have been planned for Fantasy before it got the chop. Either way they don't look like they belong where they ended up in a main range. However I think it's great news that they're getting released (again) so that people who want them can buy them and they can be used by whoever wants them, wherever they want them.
If nobody has heard anything different then I'll keep my fingers crossed for some greenskins in the CD line.
The Black Adder wrote: Now that fantasy is back, I'm surprised they didn't return there instead.
The Snarlfang warband have round(oval in this case) bases built into their sprue. I never purchased this particular warband, but in my experience with most of the Underworlds warbands that I did purchase, parts of their model are probably integrated into the base. It would've required retooling/sculpting most likely, and even then it would only be 3 mini's.
I think they are visually different from the newest Gitmob because they were the test run to see if there was an appetite for wolf riding goblins to return in AoS, and their direction evolved a bit from there.
I believe they are no longer supported in Underworlds, so bringing them back as a boss/retinue in AoS was a solid move, and hopefully becomes a recurring theme with some of the warbands where it makes sense.
Thanks for that Stahly. The sculpts themselves are great!
However, I dislike the doom diver. I find it too convoluted compared to the classic. I just put together and painted the new Bretonnia battle standard on warhorse and i have to say that it was refreshing to paint a new sculpt that isn't insanely cluttered with details.
The boss on chariot is very nice, but the price is of such insanity, that it is apparently sufficiently excessive enough for me to withhold me from impulse-buying.
I was thinking of getting a couple of normal chariots and maybe a couple of the character chariots for old world use and the insane price stopped me too. Absolutely crazy stuff.
Vorian wrote: I was thinking of getting a couple of normal chariots and maybe a couple of the character chariots for old world use and the insane price stopped me too. Absolutely crazy stuff.
I had the exact same idea; a unit of 3 chariots, one with a character. The price for the chariots from smaller retailers aren't that bad; i might buy those eventually. The boss chariots is, even with a discount, still so insanely priced that i won't buy it for the forseeable future.
Vorian wrote: I was thinking of getting a couple of normal chariots and maybe a couple of the character chariots for old world use and the insane price stopped me too. Absolutely crazy stuff.
I had the exact same idea; a unit of 3 chariots, one with a character. The price for the chariots from smaller retailers aren't that bad; i might buy those eventually. The boss chariots is, even with a discount, still so insanely priced that i won't buy it for the forseeable future.
How much are they? I am thinking about scracht-building the chariots.
Vorian wrote: I was thinking of getting a couple of normal chariots and maybe a couple of the character chariots for old world use and the insane price stopped me too. Absolutely crazy stuff.
I had the exact same idea; a unit of 3 chariots, one with a character. The price for the chariots from smaller retailers aren't that bad; i might buy those eventually. The boss chariots is, even with a discount, still so insanely priced that i won't buy it for the forseeable future.
How much are they? I am thinking about scracht-building the chariots.
The GW prices for the kits are a bit up on this page, from independent retailers i've seen discounts between €10 and €20....but for the boss on chariot that still makes it quite expensive.
So this has suddenly appeared in the wild. Personally i'm calling fake, as the amount of new kits involved is kind of staggering. Also no sign of the pirates, but there are dispossessed which would be very odd.
Honestly I'd find it strange if GW decided to just pull all the Dark Elf stuff and replace it with brand new Dispossessed kits. If anything I'd have expected Dwarves to just be their own thing and let Cities be their own thing.
That said I've long suspected GW would just pull the whole Dark Elf line - they just don't seem to really have a place/plan for them .
I mean, there are new hero's in there, so it can't all be dual kits. And if reading it right, there's at least one new cavalry and a few infantry kits. It still seems like an absurd amount, especially with the cog fort if it that's meant to be a centerpiece kit.
When would this potentially be out, anyway? There's lots of other stuff on the roadmap first and that's really just guesswork looking at the potato cam pic, but the date after the copyright could just as well be 2026 as 2025 - but would they have a printed version that early on?
Calling fake, all current battletomes say "Warhammer Design Studio", this one omits the word "Design". The weird chicken dragon thing above the warhammer.com tag is also not present in any other battletome
The only rumour we have is that Fyreslayers won't get a Battletome for the current edition - which is supported by a reliable rumour hinter on the AoS forums. That doesn't necessarily mean "Squatted" it could mean a name change; being rolled into another army; GW hitting a limit on how many books they can do in 1 3 year edition cycle and starting to slip back into the old-ways.
The plushie I don't take as any evidence. It's a side product that could have had its beginnings utterly ages ago and simply doesn't reflect GW's current market direction. Just like Total War Old World didn't mean GW was bringing back Old World*
The only thing I'm a tiny bit worried about were some hints that the demon codex for 40K were "Oh so close" to release from one of the comments in the preview. Because darn it I want the Soulblight stuff!!
*because it 100% didn't at the time. It was a total plan change to bring Old World back
Apparently pallets of Skaventide were being given out to Adepticon attendees. Disregard the clickbaity title, these guys are, in my experience, pretty evenhanded and make succinct points. I usually like their videos when its on a topic I’m interested in. YMMV :
Couple of my thoughts:
1. They made too many(clearly)
2. 3 year edition cycle isn’t sustainable for AoS 3. Stormcast aren’t Space Marines
4. Launch retail price is probably too steep
5. Folks learned from Dominion to wait for a sale.
6. AoS has more competition in 4.0
Even myself, an AoS stan, I just bought it for the rules mainly and even then it was with misgivings. Though I really liked the mini’s, I haven’t even touched them. I promised myself I’d attempt painting and playing Skaven/SCE, but in the end, I have no interest in the factions at present. Maybe for Spearhead, but definitely not for AoS main.
The thing is 3 year cycle is brutal on everyone and yeah Stormcast aren't marines and as well as AoS is doing its not 40K. In many ways stormcast not being marines is a net good thing - the main issue is likely that mangement has put down the hammer that stormcast MUST be in the starter set and thus they go into the starter box.
Heck this only works for Marines because they can put different marine subfactions into the box - you can bet if it were ultramarines every single year it would hurt.
Honestly I kind of want GW to feel some pain on the 3 year edition - I'd like them to perhaps realise that its not hte new rules everyone is fired up about but the new models and that perhaps editions should be a lot LONGER
On Fyreslayers, I love elemental Dwarves, the 3e art for Azers really appealed to me when I first saw it.
But Fyreslayers are a terrible execution of that concept in my view, with very bad design and poor poses on the models. The stumpy little bodies with the massive helmet crests really just do not work, and the way they're often springing up makes them look like they're standing on tippy toe. They also just look like slayers with fire theming and I would have really liked to see them actually go for fully elemental dwarves made of molten iron with flame for beards. They half assed the high fantasy stuff, which is one of my issues with AoS generally. The dragons they have are cool though.
Also replacing the i with a y makes me roll my eyes.
A shame! Greedy elemental Dwarves from the Realm of Fire could have been a brilliant faction and given something really interesting to fight against the chaos barbarians and stormcast that were the main other AoS factions at the time.
Fyreslayers feel like a good few "launch" armies for AoS in that they had one theme that they did really well but only one theme. That's totally fine if the designers can expand beyond that both in budget and creativity.
Fyreslayers have hope in that Dwarves as a concept in AoS are really under-developed. GW has also kept them supported with new leaders fairly often honestly - however for some reason the energy/money/drive to really address them has been missing. Same as the Dispossessed.
I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.
Overread wrote: ...you can bet if it were ultramarines every single year it would hurt...
When is the last time they weren't? Of the eight starter sets I can find, FIVE of them were Ultramarines, including the last three in a row - and only ONE had legit divergent Chapter models.
chaos0xomega wrote: I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.
That’s the only reason I went in for a half of one…
chaos0xomega wrote: I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.
Yes, yes we were.
I'll pick it up when it's around $110 like I did with Dominion.
See that seems odd because there has always been a massive amount of Skaven stuff on ebay - someone has to be buying it to put up for sale.
I do know that fantasy did have the slave-rat problem with Old World in that the ideal army was basically LOTS of clanrats and you could easily burn out building them
Technically it was slave rats but everyone used clan rats cause they were cheap in plastic and the slaves were metal/only sold as a metal slinger upgrade arm at one stage
chaos0xomega wrote: I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.
easier to pick up the models you want on ebay over buying the box and try to sell the Stormcast half
Also that being a Legacy army, most people who care already have enough Clan Rats for not buying another 80 just to get a unit of plastic Jezzails
Any guesses on how long to the Soulblight are available outside the launch box? I do not need enough minis out of it to justify picking it up, but want the rules and some of the other new models not in it.
chaos0xomega wrote: I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.
easier to pick up the models you want on ebay over buying the box and try to sell the Stormcast half
Also that being a Legacy army, most people who care already have enough Clan Rats for not buying another 80 just to get a unit of plastic Jezzails
That would still require someone to buy a box to part it out. Its a zero sum game.
chaos0xomega wrote: I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.
TFW you talk big about buying the new AoS starter to use in Warhammer Fantasy but then realize you're about to spend $265 for 40 clanrats.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Forget all that junk. The Skeletons are finally here. Including a rather fine novel for Ushoran that i didn't know existed until today:
That's a def purchase, the cover is just beautiful
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Depends. On average it's usually a month after release. Sometimes it's hyper fast though.
I think more than once we've had them go on sale almost a week later. So yes it can sometimes come very fast, Soulblight might well lean on coming faster since it feels like they've been on a bit of a delay.
chaos0xomega wrote: I was assured that Skaventide would sell out because of an invisible horde of WHFB/TOW players would snatch tjem all up for use in the square based games.
easier to pick up the models you want on ebay over buying the box and try to sell the Stormcast half
Also that being a Legacy army, most people who care already have enough Clan Rats for not buying another 80 just to get a unit of plastic Jezzails
That would still require someone to buy a box to part it out. It's a zero sum game.
Lets also not forget the bad precedent this box opened by discontinuing a large portion of 3 year old stormcasts.
Lets also not forget the bad precedent this box opened by discontinuing a large portion of 3 year old stormcasts.
For me, this really damaged the interest that I had in AOS, despite me having no interest in Stormcast at all.
If they can invalidate numerous units from the poster boy faction, then what's next?
And thank god that I never assembled my Beastmen on round bases.
I'm in this hobby most likely for life, so I like to think that anything that I invest my hobby time in won't be be invalidated before I've even finished painting an army, or before I've even assembled it
chaos0xomega wrote: The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.
Not sure but, dont remember a full space marine chapter being released and discontinued 3 years after?
I think this time around it was just so glaring and off-putting for any game system.
At least in Germany the christmas boxes apparently did not sell very well.
You can for example at the moment get a FEC box for 120 Euro (original price is 190).
I wouldn't read too much into that - Christmas boxed sets can sometimes last for ages even for fairly major armies - it really depends on a lot of variables.
Plus lets not forget GW products don't devalue so there isn't the same pressure on retailers and the market ot shift stock superfast. Of course retailers (esp 3rd parties) have pressure to shift stock quickly because of the need to generate regular profit; so its not as if there's no pressure.
And yeah GW removing models after 3 years is pretty rare for a main army - esp the poster army of the game. It was made worse that the announcement went out before they announced replacement models so that really jaded a lot of Stormcast fans even when some of the removed models were replaced with new updated sculpts.
But still its not a good nor healthy thing for the game. A 3 year old model might be only 1 year or a few months old to some players who started an army recently. I suspect a good number of people didn't even get those models to a table to play or only played a few games before they vanished.
The removal of Beastmen to put them back into Old World was a double blow on AoS and when you've STILL got Dark Elf models kicking around with no clear plan as to what GW intends to do with them it just makes AoS feel "unstable" which really isn't want you want from a wargame. Rules are one thing, but models really should be stable
Hopefully that means that some cheap versions of Skaventide show up on eBay. I don't play AOS but I like to pick up the launch boxes. I've been interested in picking up some more Skaven since Island of Blood. Unfortunately the price for the contents of Skaventide has kept me away so far since the Stormcast side isn't worth much to me.
The Skaventide part of the AoS boxed set was welling out faster than the stormcast last I checked. But yeah if you want cheap Skaven from Skaventide you kind of missed the boat a bit - though there will still be good cheap prices out there, just not as good as when it was fresh on sale.
Heck you can still get Leviathan split sets now for 40K but they just aren't as cheap as they were way back when it launched.
NAVARRO wrote: Also the official argument IIRC was that the stormcast range is too bloated.... For then release more stormcasts in this new edition set.
I hope this all forces GW to realize that no matter how much they shove them down our throats, Stormcast are NOT Space Marines. My nephew is starting to drool over Skaven, and I'm warning him against getting a starter box because of the included Stormcast.
chaos0xomega wrote: The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.
Not sure but, dont remember a full space marine chapter being released and discontinued 3 years after?
I think this time around it was just so glaring and off-putting for any game system.
...Deathwatch. the outcry against it is the only thing that saved them.
NAVARRO wrote: Also the official argument IIRC was that the stormcast range is too bloated.... For then release more stormcasts in this new edition set.
Savage orcs was another of my factions and I fear for the spiderfangs too.
Then beastmen.
I mean if you really want to discontinue things like this then yeah people will just not trust the game continuity and fork 300-400£ in a new faction.
I think it was just poor timing, the next starter box will no doubt contain a new sacrosanct chamber. If theyd squatted the old ones and gave immediate replacements like with the liberators i dont think anyone would have complained.
As for spiderfang, i expect every Warhammer fantasy to be replaced/removed in the coming years, so they can repackage them for old world. Its the only reason armies like skaven, vampire counts and dark elves werent included in the original faction list.
Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models
You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s
Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)
Overread wrote: Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models
You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s
Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)
I hope there are more full new model ranges, but it must have been selling reasonably well with recycled old minis for them to drop Cathay, so i wouldnt be shocked if they just repackaged a few more.
Id love a new chaos dwarf army though
Overread wrote: Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models
You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s
Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)
I hope there are more full new model ranges, but it must have been selling reasonably well with recycled old minis for them to drop Cathay, so i wouldnt be shocked if they just repackaged a few more.
Id love a new chaos dwarf army though
There's strong hints Chaos Dwarves are heading to AoS
The thing is Cathay were on the cards right from the first ideas of relaunching the game. We do know its selling really well but I still see Cathay as the mark of the end of old stuff beyond perhaps another print-on-demand type old stuff release. It's the "new models" en-mass point and should be a turning point where Old World starts to upgrade more of its line.
Overread wrote: Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models
You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s
Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)
I hope there are more full new model ranges, but it must have been selling reasonably well with recycled old minis for them to drop Cathay, so i wouldnt be shocked if they just repackaged a few more.
Id love a new chaos dwarf army though
There's strong hints Chaos Dwarves are heading to AoS
The thing is Cathay were on the cards right from the first ideas of relaunching the game. We do know its selling really well but I still see Cathay as the mark of the end of old stuff beyond perhaps another print-on-demand type old stuff release. It's the "new models" en-mass point and should be a turning point where Old World starts to upgrade more of its line.
I hope CHORFS are not heading to AOS.
I would love to do an army of silly hatted little dudes, ala their 90s style.
The only thing stopping me is Legends allocation.
Overread wrote: Honestly I don't expect GW to repackage any more Old World armies now that Cathay is out of the bag. I fully expect after Cathay there will be Kisleve and then the focus on updating the current armies with new models
You can't just drop brand new model armies and expect the nostalgia power to keep going forever on classic armies. That nostalgia will burn out fast with easy model access and paying players will start wanting new models and new people that are drawn to the game will want to see modern armies with modern models not 30year old sculpts that they've no nostalgic connection too and when they can see forces like Cathay with entirely new model range.s
Indeed whilst its debateable; I'd argue GW launching too many old armies into Old World would be a mistake; esp if its just more "porting things that are in AoS into Old World with old models whilst AoS has brand new ones)
I hope there are more full new model ranges, but it must have been selling reasonably well with recycled old minis for them to drop Cathay, so i wouldnt be shocked if they just repackaged a few more.
Id love a new chaos dwarf army though
Heres the thing - Cathay was sculpted and going into tooling before a singke TOW product was released. Putting plastic kits like this into production is not a quick process, there is no reality in which Cathay wasnt already slated for production on release day.
chaos0xomega wrote: The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.
Not sure but, dont remember a full space marine chapter being released and discontinued 3 years after?
I think this time around it was just so glaring and off-putting for any game system.
...Deathwatch. the outcry against it is the only thing that saved them.
I'm convinced the outcry over the Deathwatch pre-emptively saved the Daemons, too.
chaos0xomega wrote: The reality is theyve been doing the same in 40k though, they were just less transparent about it.
Not sure but, dont remember a full space marine chapter being released and discontinued 3 years after?
I think this time around it was just so glaring and off-putting for any game system.
...Deathwatch. the outcry against it is the only thing that saved them.
I'm convinced the outcry over the Deathwatch pre-emptively saved the Daemons, too.
I see, I guess no one saw it coming for AoS or simply there was not enough Stormcast fans. Because lets face it Stormcast are not Space marines and it was a bit naive of GW to think they could replicate the decade long charm appeal of Spacemarines on a new system that was born from the explosion of fantasy battles.
Im surprised with the return of the old world so soon after it was cancelled and it's now being supported to the extent of having full new factions in plastic. I mean the resources for that are huge.
Curse looks powerful -1 save for the rest of the battle is strong. Even if it can only affect a unit once, get that unit charging around the battlefield and curse a couple of units and you've really hampered your opponent!
Waaagh_Gonads wrote: I hope CHORFS are not heading to AOS.
I would love to do an army of silly hatted little dudes, ala their 90s style.
The only thing stopping me is Legends allocation.
A Chaos Dwarf on a Lammassu won gold in the Old World category of Golden Demon!
Waaagh_Gonads wrote: I hope CHORFS are not heading to AOS.
I would love to do an army of silly hatted little dudes, ala their 90s style.
The only thing stopping me is Legends allocation.
A Chaos Dwarf on a Lammassu won gold in the Old World category of Golden Demon!
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:They're already confirmed for AoS.
Both can be true.
Old World looks to be where all the former Warhammer Forge stuff is ending up, so Drazoath and all the other stuff that came out for Legions of Azgorh could be staying in Old World, while AoS gets a full plastic spin on Chaos Dwarves.
Also, as an aside, I got my 2 Doom Diver Catapults put together and each primed in 2 pieces(the beast and support in one piece, with the catapult and platform in another). Not nearly as finicky of an assemly as I feared it would be.
I definitely wish I had waited to assemble everything once I had it all though, as I would've been able to make better use of all the head options that have come out in the newer Gitmob kits.
Dunno, apparently its permissable if the painter sculpts and prints it themselves, no different than if they gs sculpted it from scratch, which makes sense.
You can download their army list form the Warhammer Community site for free so them “not existing” is a bit nebulous. It’s not like TOW retconned them out of history either. Also the chorfs have always teetered on the edge of being a real army; their original rulebook was a compilation of white dwarf articles, not a properly formatted Army Book, for example.
Interestingly it seems as though daemons did not see the same cuts to legends that they did in 40k, despite warcom saying those kits were going oop, etc. Hellflayers and seeker chariots are not legends, nor are heralds on exalted chariots.
Kits going "out of production" could be as simple as GW changing the box contents to only include AoS stats on the assembly sheet or not boxing those models in 40K brand boxes.
Even though they are still casting and making the model itself its "out of production" as far as the tracking code attached to the box is concerned.
I would have been much more surprised to see the cuts in AoS honestly; at least cuts without replacement models. 40K kind of gets away with it because the demons are being rolled into marine forces so you "lose" on one side but gain on the other.
I see it purely as GW starting to make Demons more gameunique. Who knows perhaps this means we'll see even the regular demon models get unique sculpts in each game and somewhat of their own unique styles
Overread wrote: Kits going "out of production" could be as simple as GW changing the box contents to only include AoS stats on the assembly sheet or not boxing those models in 40K brand boxes.
Even though they are still casting and making the model itself its "out of production" as far as the tracking code attached to the box is concerned.
Im aware, thats what i assumed would happen from the word go but their statement was that the "models" were being taken out of production and most assumed that theyd be cut from AoS as well as a result
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40K kind of gets away with it because the demons are being rolled into marine forces so you "lose" on one side but gain on the other.
Thats also true of AoS though. There is no "daemons" army in AoS, they are all god flavored armies sharing the faction with mortals and beasts, etc.
Warcom might also just be running on what models they've got for photos - a generic lord could be in the kit and just not prepped for photos/painting so Warcom aren't "aware of it"
Overread wrote: Warcom might also just be running on what models they've got for photos - a generic lord could be in the kit and just not prepped for photos/painting so Warcom aren't "aware of it"
I think we’re clutching at straws now. If it was in the kit they’d have showed it/mentioned it when they previewed it.
Probably. But there's always a possibility it's Vhordrai's body, but there's an alternate head and weapon/shield in there. I mean, the only difference between Tornus the Redeemed and a generic Azyros is a bare head and different weapon.
Warcom preview talks about vampires enjoying their new mounts, so I'd expect an entry for a generic vampire on zombie dragon exists somewhere in the book.
It's just that Knights of the Crimson Keep have only one lord riding a zombie dragon, and that's Vhordrai.
Overread wrote: Normally on pre-order weekend we get "Man reads book" videos appearing
That’s the worst case scenario. Sometimes the potatocams come out and we get early info. Like the recent Eldar book was out in the wild a good bit before release.
Champing at the bit for solid info on this release. Which is not good for the fangs…
Overread wrote: You say worst case but we're only 3 days away
Ok, I’m stupid. Got my times mixed up.
Sunday announced
One week
Pre orders go up sat.
2 weeks
Release.
I had stuck in my head we had to wait 2 weeks before solid info. Which was killing me. Just started a Path to Glory league, really want the army book before we get to far in.
