And there is the unridden dragon that I had forgotten about, along with Cado + Friends :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ij1em2mz/cado-ezechiar-and-the-beast-of-castle-sternieste-bare-their-fangs/

I'm amused that they keep referencing Cado's rings... when he isn't wearing any on this sculpt.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm amused that they keep referencing Cado's rings... when he isn't wearing any on this sculpt.

They're the reverse of Sauron's ring. When worn, it's the rings that become invisible.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm amused that they keep referencing Cado's rings... when he isn't wearing any on this sculpt.

Yeah, been bothering the heck out of me since they revealed the model.

Now when I buy this kit, I'll be compelled to try to sculpt them with some green stuff, which will end in disaster as all my sculpting endeavors seem to end.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm amused that they keep referencing Cado's rings... when he isn't wearing any on this sculpt.

Yeah, been bothering the heck out of me since they revealed the model.

Now when I buy this kit, I'll be compelled to try to sculpt them with some green stuff, which will end in disaster as all my sculpting endeavors seem to end.

Or just use the old sculpt which does have the rings, infuriatingly.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm amused that they keep referencing Cado's rings... when he isn't wearing any on this sculpt.

That's because he's not wearing them on his fingers.

Laughing Man wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm amused that they keep referencing Cado's rings... when he isn't wearing any on this sculpt.

That's because he's not wearing them on his fingers.

Slaanesh approves!

Have they done a "how to play" article before? I don't remember. Also nice to see coach get a bit of attention.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fnoewkgp/how-to-play-soulblight-gravelords/

I feel like its something they've done many times before but in smaller segments or with a different title. Still neat to see for newbies and drops a few more hints for established fans.

Still super eager for tomorrow and the pre-order going live

I have a feeling this one will be a sellout tomorrow.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I have a feeling this one will be a sellout tomorrow.

Perhaps.

I didn't get into it too deep, but I heard the Battletome(or relevant parts of it) have been leaked and its pretty underwhelming. TGA had some screenshots and people weren't too thrilled from what I gathered. Not sure if the youtube reviewers have started putting up videos yet though.

I'm not going out of my way to pre-order one, but the release date coincides with a commission paycheck, so I might grab one for funsies if my shop gets any in excess.

edit: and as I posted this during my lunchbreak, I went to TGA and the newest post in the rumor thread is an Honest Wargamer vid. I'll have to check it out later.

I'm 100% on pre-order for this. New models all look awesome and this set will pair well with the new spearhead in giving a big chunk of new skeletons and riders.

I find that with previews of stats there's always people underwhelmed but then again they are often looking for "I win" stats on a few models that just makes them broken powerful and easy to use. Or they are looking at a few leaked stats and not taking the army's combos and internal support into account

 Overread wrote:
I'm 100% on pre-order for this.

I probably would as well if I hadn't gone hard into Gitmob, and before that, Darkoath.

Always love me some skelly minis.

I almost went all in on Darkoath and I'm still very tempted, but my StD is basically side project of my Slaanesh who still have loads to add too and I've got soulblight properly started off so I figured I'd just have to wait for Darkoath otherwise its too much

I watched the video. He didn’t seem too terribly impressed with a lot of the stats. There does seem to be some entertaining synergy.

I honestly don’t have a baseline to judge what “normal” is in modern AoS. But I think it looks like it could be fun.

Interesting to see that the Corpse Cart is gone and the Bloodseeker Palanquin, and yet the other two builds from that latter kit are present. Perhaps hinting that GW will replace the 3 kit with a duel kit version in the future.

Corpse cart I'm not sad to see gone even if its quite a classic; it just never felt right in a modern vampire army in AoS since they really aren't basically peasant mages skulking in the woods hiding from people.

 Overread wrote:
Interesting to see that the Corpse Cart is gone and the Bloodseeker Palanquin, and yet the other two builds from that latter kit are present. Perhaps hinting that GW will replace the 3 kit with a duel kit version in the future.

Corpse cart I'm not sad to see gone even if its quite a classic; it just never felt right in a modern vampire army in AoS since they really aren't basically peasant mages skulking in the woods hiding from people.

Cart is still in. And there are 2 giant floaty things Coven throne? I didn’t pay too much attention to them, as they are not my jam, but still there

Ahh no wait both are in there - I missed them as they didn't get "auto tagged" and are just comments on pages next to things.


So that means the army basically only lost the Underworld sets (shame some of those had some cool models) and all of the Cursed City stuff barring the 3 separately sold named heroes. Expected but still sad to see some of the beasties lost.

 Overread wrote:
Hmm I must be missing the cart - and there's 3 giant floaty things capable of being built with the kit

Technically, there's only 2 builds of that kit. The third was them just using different parts of the two previous builds in a different way to invent a third.

Sad, but not shocked to see a lot of the Cursed City stuff go. A lot of fun models, and a lot of the only “modern” soulblight I have finished painting at this time.

I still hope/expect we might see one or two of them return as regular models. We have seen GW do that for some of the models in the 40K equivalent.

I'd expect the heroes to be lost, though many of them can stand in as generic necromancer/vampirelord/ leader of an infantry squad.

But things like the giant bat monster; the half-feral vampires and perhaps even the ravens/mice I could see returning in the future. Certainly the first two - one as a single beast kit the other as perhaps a larger than 3 models elite infantry kit. Perhaps a Spearhead or Underworlds band update.

WAIT I just realised - no terrorgast :(

Well i'll take that as a guarantee FEC are getting a brand new one.

I assumed that when they did the new dragon - was just surprised they didn't do them side by side. Of course GW has done odd things in the past - eg updating a huge number of Necron models and then not touching the destroyer and destroyer lord yet making an entirely new destroyer class of model.

Or the baffling choice to give tyranid Warriors a brand new prime that has wings for a unit that - has no wings


So who knows perhaps the new Terrorgast is 3 years away!

Well considering FEC's are "on the horizon", i'd expect it to be their new centrepiece in the next 6 months or so.

What happened with the generic Lord on zombie dragon option in the end then?

He's retired from service

Well damn, already gone off the main site. Always confuses me when that happens, but the third parties still have stock with an actual discount.

Yeah sometimes I think its cause GW breaks their webstore stock down a bit into waves. So it seems to go out of stock very fast but then comes back a little later for a bit.

3rd parties just do one wave. That said I know that a good few 3rd parties are now doing "one per customer" and probably review shipping locations to ensure one person isn't just making a bunch of alt accounts.

So it could just be GW are selling out faster cause there's more people buying more than one pack.



Got my order in! So now just to wait for shiny models to arrive

Two big German online stores still have stock of both boxes (i.e. German and English). While the English one might sell out over the next few hours at one of them (it lists 37 remaining as of now), the German one is unlikely to do so (131, with only a few more about two hours ago).

It is hard to compare releases, since we do not know the total amount of boxes produced and provided for 3rd party retailers, this feels similar to the EC box. That one also felt like being extremely popular and "will sell out in minutes" with boxes in both German and English actually still being available at the two stores above - and at 20% off.

 Overread wrote:
Yeah sometimes I think its cause GW breaks their webstore stock down a bit into waves. So it seems to go out of stock very fast but then comes back a little later for a bit.

Yeah, seems like Blood and Zeal is back in stock on the new releases page right now.

Sold out on the US site, it looks like.

Though, as stated that could change.

That seems weird when it's actually listed as sold out rather than temp. Although i remember the krieg box suddenly appearing all over the third parties after the initial wave for some reason.

This is a FOMO limited launch box. They were pretty up front with it being a one amd done, then gone.

They may mess with allocations and/or find a few more cases in the warehouse, but I’m not surprised it’s sold out.

Warhammer Weekly’s review of the Soulblight Battletome is up on youtube, for those interested.

 Nevelon wrote:
This is a FOMO limited launch box. They were pretty up front with it being a one amd done, then gone.

They may mess with allocations and/or find a few more cases in the warehouse, but I’m not surprised it’s sold out.

What it actually is is that they hold copies in reserve to cover damages/replacements, etc. After a certain holding period they release those back to inventory.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
This is a FOMO limited launch box. They were pretty up front with it being a one amd done, then gone.

They may mess with allocations and/or find a few more cases in the warehouse, but I’m not surprised it’s sold out.

What it actually is is that they hold copies in reserve to cover damages/replacements, etc. After a certain holding period they release those back to inventory.

That makes sense.

I’m sure the mechanics of production, shipping, warehousing is a lot more complex then we realize. “We found a few more boxes” is a lot easier to convey to the layman the “we’ve successfully fulfilled a significant percentage of outstanding orders without product loss or shipping issues so that we can now release our safety reserve for order”

Although one perk of GW owning their own stores is that if something is collecting dust in one but sold out in another, they can shuffle product. Although noboby wants to ship the same thing multiple times.

Image from TGA rumor thread. Take with some salt, as anytime I see "anonymous" and this website format (is it 4chan?) I get highly skeptical. Kind of wishlisty and also looks too on the nose for what FS players want. A special character, lil magmadrake cav, war machine and non-FS duardin. The pre-amble about building out the faction makes sense, but I have my doubts. I want to believe, as the Grombrindal stories hint at something big coming, but it looks too good to be true.

We'll see if the upcoming KO release backs this up. I think May 22 is the next reveal for AoS, which may give us some more clues.

Interesting. But that is 4chan however, so incredible amount of salt to be given. Biggest issue is that it goes against the more reliable rumour of no book this ed. Unless of course that is true and this is all for next ed.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting. But that is 4chan however, so incredible amount of salt to be given. Biggest issue is that it goes against the more reliable rumour of no book this ed. Unless of course that is true and this is all for next ed.

Who knows, maybe they'll be the good guy launch faction for the next edition in place of Stormcast!

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting. But that is 4chan however, so incredible amount of salt to be given. Biggest issue is that it goes against the more reliable rumour of no book this ed. Unless of course that is true and this is all for next ed.

Who knows, maybe they'll be the good guy launch faction for the next edition in place of Stormcast!

vs. Gloomspite! It'll be the AoS version of the WHFB 7th Edition "The Battle for Skull Pass" boxed set.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting. But that is 4chan however, so incredible amount of salt to be given. Biggest issue is that it goes against the more reliable rumour of no book this ed. Unless of course that is true and this is all for next ed.

Who knows, maybe they'll be the good guy launch faction for the next edition in place of Stormcast!

GW feels pretty committed to shoving Stormcast down our throats.

Someone received re-cut Deathrattle Skeletons with old Spearhead. Looks like legs and shield are now integrated to other parts, making the models less fragile. Also, two gravestones for base decoration have been added onto the sprue.

Having the shields attached will make them slightly more irritating to paint. But as someone who is currently working the old ones across my workbench (and have 10 more to build) I approve of stability boosts.

They look like they match the aesthetic of the last ones (and the CC ones) which is the important part. Still look cool.

 Nevelon wrote:
Having the shields attached will make them slightly more irritating to paint. But as someone who is currently working the old ones across my workbench (and have 10 more to build) I approve of stability boosts.

They look like they match the aesthetic of the last ones (and the CC ones) which is the important part. Still look cool.

So what's the actual difference? I only ever got the cursed city ones and they seemed pretty fine all round.

I'm also hoping someone does a nice side-by-side of the new Skeletons and the Cursed City ones because I didn't realize there were such issues with the previous kit.

The cursed city ones were 2 part (mostly) push fits. Look basically the same as the other kits. Multiple fronts would match with multiple backs for some nice variety despite duplicate sprues.

Trying to get the fronts and backs of the torsos wrapped around the pelvis/legs (which was mostly hidden) made building that kit a major PITA. It added basically nothing visually, but structurally hurt the model.

Cursed City:
https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60220799019_WHQCursedCitySprue5.jpg?fm=webp&w=920&h=948

(Having problems with the image link)

Ah i see. Yeah, can't see how anyone thought making seperate pevlises/legs was a good design idea. Almost as bad as the previous skeletons.

Having just recently built the previous skeleton kit this looks way easier to build. The biggest issue I had with it was legs getting stressed when clipping from the sprue, I even used single bladed nippers and noticed some legs would be very… wiggly. I only had 1 pair of legs completely break and it was the commander models, got it glued back on with sprue goo, but it ended up at a strange angle. No big sweat since it’s a skeleton with weird limbs angles anyway. The spears were pretty fragile on the old kit as well but nothing seems to have been done about that.

Another benefit of the new kit is it looks like about half the heads don’t have sprue connection points on them compared to literally all of them before. Hard to tell from the image how exchangeable the arms are, previous kit would allow any shields on any mini, and it seemed like some arms could be swapped but I didn’t try to since it was my first box of them and all bodies had two load outs.

Comparison pic of Cursed City vs. the soon to be replaced modern kit:


(ignore the musician, he stole a horn from the black knight kit)
CC are the front rank.

Edit for better pic:

CC top row

Well, in the time since I posted that 4chan screenshot about Fyreslayer rumors, apparently 4chan has been decimated.

It might’ve been hackers, as the establishment media is claiming.

Or, and “I’m just asking questions” here, was it the sudden rush of Fyreslayer, Kharadron Overlords and Chaos Dwarf enthusiasts rushing to the site to glimpse the original post, and maybe glean more knowledge from the guy with the leaks which overloaded the servers? We may never know now.

 nels1031 wrote:
Well, in the time since I posted that 4chan screenshot about Fyreslayer rumors, apparently 4chan has been decimated.

Good. Fething. Riddance.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-age-of-sigmar/

Battletome Points, new Legends document(with rules for a Vyrkos army), and new Spearhead rules are up.

I think they mucked up the points document - random highlighted colours on some parts; the whole table just changing colour on the second page and the * for "unit has an alternate name" appears to be thrown in almost everything randomly

Oh wait its better - the table is split into two random separate tables each of which is alphabetical

You can also see artifacts from copy and paste on the Legends document, these were definitely rushed out.

Hopefully they can tidy it up - good to see base sizes reappearing on documents!


Oh wait I was wrong the two tables are different - the first is leaders the second is everything else - which also really bluntly highlights how kinda crazy gw are right now for the leader slot in options in AoS ;P

 Overread wrote:
Hopefully they can tidy it up - good to see base sizes reappearing on documents!


Oh wait I was wrong the two tables are different - the first is leaders the second is everything else - which also really bluntly highlights how kinda crazy gw are right now for the leader slot in options in AoS ;P

Seems like what once would have been four types of leader, each with a bunch of options, is now one separate sheet for each bit of optional equipment.

Legends are not a pure copy/paste.

I checked the vyrkos blood borne (as I have them in my PtG list) and their move ability was changed from end of any turn on a 3+ roll to end of enemy turn, but automatic.

Might be other little changes

 Nevelon wrote:
Legends are not a pure copy/paste.

I'm talking about the actual pasting to the background, not rules. Look at the upper right corner of the stat blocks.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Legends are not a pure copy/paste.

I'm talking about the actual pasting to the background, not rules. Look at the upper right corner of the stat blocks.

Woops. I see that now. I was caught up in the game mechanics, and read “artifacts” like items of power (and thought I had missed those being c/p’d into the new docs) and not a layout issue.

Yah, that is a little sloppy.

Update from the store I got my SB boxed set from:

"Due to the bank holiday weekend, our couriers will not be collecting over the weekend of 18th to 21st April. This means there will be a slight delay in dispatching your order within the expected timeframe for release. Please rest assured, that as soon as the courier collections start again on Tuesday the 22nd, we will get your order sent out as soon as possible.

Please accept our apologise for any inconvenience this delay may have caused."



I don't blame anyone for this - I really don't
But gosh darn it are the gods of fate messing with me in stretching out those new vampires getting in my hands!

Element had it up front they weren't shipping until after Easter. Which is annoying, but on the flip side it gives me chance to finish the chariots and doom diver.

... I mean I should finish some of the wolves I've got at the very least.

I received my 2nd to last(I think) Stormbringer Magazine shipment today. A piece of terrain, 2 pots of paint, Bastian Carthalos and some of the new Ironjawz 'Ard Boyz.

I think its one more set of 4 magazines(77,78,79,80) and then its done with maybe a premium bonus gift at the end. I have no clue.

All in all, a pretty good deal and it was fun to get different stuff at such a discount every month. I'd recommend to any AoS enthusiast, though there were a few things that were pretty random and I'm certain that I got some stuff doubled up or mis-shipped, but it was worth it.

Here's all the Stormbringer Magazine stuff that I've painted over the past year :

Presumably the next one is going to be based around Spearhead. Which i think would actually work extremely well.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Presumably the next one is going to be based around Spearhead. Which i think would actually work extremely well.

Yeah, isn't the 40K one Combat Patrol focused this time around?

Stands to reason that AoS would get the equivalent, which would probably be a bigger hit than this "season" of Stormbringer.

It's also potentially more engaging for new fans not existing ones. So should work at drawing lots of new people in if they can get several armies for Spearhead and each one the ycould choose to expand from.

What happen to the new Knight-Questor - the one with the torch? I can't seem to find him on the webstore...

Probably locked in the starter boxes for now, like the new Lord-Veritant with Gryph-Crow.

Edit: Were either ever available seperately outside of Skaventide/Starter sets? I can’t remember.

Nope. But then it took until the current ed for the knight arcanum and other one to release seperately from Dominion. Although if you want the questor, just go to ebay. He's like a fiver.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/197069449855?_skw=age+of+sigmar&itmmeta=01JS0EW7ZB2CC04C2Q5SWYEKNG&hash=item2de2412a7f:g:jNsAAOSwSyZnqQIL&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1fbFH3qIylaXAiz63pho4yLV8OQPNbUUiF1zTQRhL9xI4k2eKm0yEMy7qVDPoxwqXJ2xaMBHwwdhavGpAH2vseSnC8Q6fSRGmxJD9CmcIX%2FPW8Q5D005Wx4AgXB3nnHaRVIz4FzEa5Dtw7nq4HLErZJFDv7pbhocMT31xMwfemwBYENtCcOKuhpHzebHAI57NIIZKhXiw1u7Ctk4DeTTYNI6kkrC6xk0jMPLQCAxArh1OYPWcbGUVCCy2TLpXlKIBKb0lT%2FbreAL07Y32MWwUGyZmvd9c8%2FybQJl8QjiH1hyw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-b_8I7IZQ

Cheers. A trip to Ebay it might have to be.

 Overread wrote:
Update from the store I got my SB boxed set from:

"Due to the bank holiday weekend, our couriers will not be collecting over the weekend of 18th to 21st April. This means there will be a slight delay in dispatching your order within the expected timeframe for release. Please rest assured, that as soon as the courier collections start again on Tuesday the 22nd, we will get your order sent out as soon as possible.

Please accept our apologise for any inconvenience this delay may have caused."



I don't blame anyone for this - I really don't
But gosh darn it are the gods of fate messing with me in stretching out those new vampires getting in my hands!

So apparently Element decided to ship today and early rather than wait. Nice.

I suspect any of the stores that got stock today will likely try to ship if they can; even if they said it would come after. Cause even if they get the parcel out today there's a decent chance it could get snarled up in the postal system and delayed until next week anyway.

Underworlds, but i'm all up for anything DoK. Also i'm digging the new fashion style under Krethusa

Those are very cool - darn it GW Why not do few new squads for DoK!

Krethusa insists all her followers wear skimpy clothing, but at least the ratio is 1:1 gender-wise.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Krethusa insists all her followers wear skimpy clothing, but at least the ratio is 1:1 gender-wise.

Not sure that's a conclusion we can reach in a 4 model warband containing a single male.

This looks really cool!

Maybe it's the hair exaggerating it, but the leader's head looks a bit big to my eyes.

I like the leader model. Don't really care for the rest.

As far as the leader's hair is concerned, I think ludicrous hair has always been part of Dark Elf Sorceresses and Witch Elves. Not really my thing in isolation, but I prefer for trademark designs to stick around on new iterations, so I'm fine with it here.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Maybe it's the hair exaggerating it, but the leader's head looks a bit big to my eyes.

I agree, could be an unfortunate angle but it really throws the model off for me.

I think its the front-on-photo and painting style. If you look at the side photo in the same shot it looks better. GW heads do tend to be one of the features they oversize on from both a "visual element on the table" and an "easier to paint" aspect.

Her hair and topnot also makes her head feel enlarged too. And yeah wild hair is something DoK are famed for - honestly I think GW are actually pretty tame with it. It's big but they've not done two-body-lengths of hair braided with razor blades in a spinning wheel of death kind of sculpt (yet - come on GW go wild!)

Rest your wallets, Soulblight gamers. Next weeks AoS release content is a WH+ lore video. Thought for sure the SBGL general release was coming, but I guess its too soon.

Get your stuff painted!

2 Things:

1. This seems like the first non-model/book pre-order weekend that doesn’t coincide with a holiday in a long long time.

2. Feels so quiet on the AoS front since Adepticon’s meagre content(comparatively) that I have a feeling this months preview is going to be huge for AoS. Thats my hope!

I was sure it would land either this weekend or next - ergo next big thing after the last 40K release.

I do get the feeling that GW is struggling a bit with its own success and rate of new models being added - eg there's a new model for Middleearth that was previewed as a tie-in for the new animation that was shown off last Christmas that still isn't out and the Soulblight also feels delayed when GW preview windows are normally around 3months for all the things to release.

Hopefully GW just needs a few slow weeks with nothing new going out to get back on course.

 nels1031 wrote:
Rest your wallets, Soulblight gamers. Next weeks AoS release content is a WH+ lore video. Thought for sure the SBGL general release was coming, but I guess its too soon.

Get your stuff painted!

2 Things:

1. This seems like the first non-model/book pre-order weekend that doesn’t coincide with a holiday in a long long time.

2. Feels so quiet on the AoS front since Adepticon’s meagre content(comparatively) that I have a feeling this months preview is going to be huge for AoS. Thats my hope!

Hoping the Idoneth get the soulblight/gitz treatment and get like 4-5 new kits. They need a boosting.

Don't you love it when they do updates, but don't bother to announce it?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-age-of-sigmar/

Here we go, rattle me bones is full on next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/iupolkdl/sunday-preview-bloodsuckers-and-barrow-kingdoms/

Ooph, it looks like there’s no new Soulblight spearhead box yet to match the new rules.

Yeah I was surprised at that too - would have thought they'd have got that out alongside the new models. Still nice to see the original spearhead sticking around as its still a great set (vargheists excepted cause they aren't the best of models but not terriblebad)

Still just means I can wait for the spearhead and pick up dragons and stuff first!!

There's a Deathrattle one in the book, but they never release them alongside the main release. They want you to buy the more expensive individual kits before they release it a couple of months later. We're still waiting on the Gitz one.

Can't spot any difference between the Soulblight and Nighthaunt terrain builds...

Wall panels for the Nighthaunt one have flowers on the vines?

Was gonna say, what is the actual difference between a “cursed sepulchre” and a “nexus of grief” exactly? Other than being painted a slightly different colour, I mean.

Edit:

 Dysartes wrote:
Wall panels for the Nighthaunt one have flowers on the vines?

So the kit comes with dozens of tint flowers to add?

Edit2 electric boogaloo: oh wait, the panels are just flipped: one side has flowers, the other doesn’t.

angryboy2k wrote:
Ooph, it looks like there’s no new Soulblight spearhead box yet to match the new rules.

The wolf goblins haven't gotten a box, yet, either.

I really hope Prince Vhordrai isn't €135 but that seems to be the standard price for a kit like that now. Oh well expensive week coming up with the Underworlds release as well.

Isn't he on the same size base as Karazai/Krondys? In which case he's huge.

Yeah its a 130mm base I think

Ok, they're 160mm. So he's ever so slightly larger than Iridan the Witness. So i'm going to guess £80.

I was thinking it would land in the £100 region so if it lands at £80 I'd call that a win.


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Wait I was wrong its on a 160mm base (had to go back and watch the LV open video as they mention it in there around 5:50mins in https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1jgcyjq6/the-lvo-preview-2025-all-the-reveals/

Ok then yeah he's breaking the £100 barrier

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Was gonna say, what is the actual difference between a “cursed sepulchre” and a “nexus of grief” exactly? Other than being painted a slightly different colour, I mean.

Edit:

 Dysartes wrote:
Wall panels for the Nighthaunt one have flowers on the vines?

So the kit comes with dozens of tint flowers to add?

Edit2 electric boogaloo: oh wait, the panels are just flipped: one side has flowers, the other doesn’t.

Looks like the soulblight version dont have a stone coffin inside the semi ruined structure, but it might be the angle?

Bloody love these models. So evocative of some of WHFB’s earliest art.

I was honestly surprised that they focused their launch reveal video just on the spearhead and held back both the dragon and the vampire on mount

Seeing reports that Vhordrai is $195 that puts him at Teclis price level £115, €150 well that ends any thoughts of getting a 2nd for a Revenant for my FEC.

Hm, that puts him £10 over the dragon twins. Stealth increases ho.

If the new Spearhead isn't going up, that means I can wait on another box of Barrow Guard. Probably gonna wait on the Dragon too, so just means the terrain and Endless for me for now.

Weird that they redid the old spearhead. I was expecting it to just fade away, but re-released with the new skeletons? What’s going on behind the scenes?

The new mounted vampire lord will be mine…

 Nevelon wrote:
Weird that they redid the old spearhead. I was expecting it to just fade away, but re-released with the new skeletons? What’s going on behind the scenes?

The new mounted vampire lord will be mine…

Spearhead is the new game format so I can see value in them keeping the old configuration around since its not a "legal" army in Spearhead and GW are pushing that as the new "mid-range" entry point for Age of Sigmar.
The new Skeletons is basically because GW has replaced the kit so they've just let the old stock run low in the lead up to the new version and now just hot-swapped the models and kept the kit going.

But presumably they need to print new boxes with pic of the new skeletons. Seems a bit excessive for something that’s going to be retired when they shift to the new spearhead.

Or they keep both on the market at the same time and timed it so that they naturally ran out of boxes in stock as much as they could. Esp if its going to be like the others mentioned and could be another 6 months before we see the new spearhead appear

Prices off of reddit. The zombie dracolinth is kinda pricey

Yah, even for a big centerpiece model that’s a bit much. Moves to “maybe could be nice” to “Hard nope”

195 for Vhordrai?? That better be Canadian or Australian pricing

 Overread wrote:
Or they keep both on the market at the same time and timed it so that they naturally ran out of boxes in stock as much as they could. Esp if its going to be like the others mentioned and could be another 6 months before we see the new spearhead appear

They do still have multiple Spearheads on offer for Stormcast, Skaven, and Slaves to Darkness... no reason to de-list anything yet.

chaos0xomega wrote:
195 for Vhordrai?? That better be Canadian or Australian pricing

with the list having English and French books, it is Canadian

I'd imagine the big guy is $165 USD, which is still pretty pricey but not as insane as $195 would have been. That would put him on par with the big Stormcast dragons.

chaos0xomega wrote:
195 for Vhordrai?? That better be Canadian or Australian pricing

Items like the Spearhead and WH:U warband are consistent with US$ prices and not Canadian ones. So US prices it is indeed.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I'd imagine the big guy is $165 USD, which is still pretty pricey but not as insane as $195 would have been. That would put him on par with the big Stormcast dragons.

Well they share the same base size - the Stormcast dragons are 160mm and the new vampire dragon is also on a 160mm base

 Overread wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I'd imagine the big guy is $165 USD, which is still pretty pricey but not as insane as $195 would have been. That would put him on par with the big Stormcast dragons.

Well they share the same base size - the Stormcast dragons are 160mm and the new vampire dragon is also on a 160mm base

This. I have Karazai in front of me right now and he's huge. So assuming Vordhrai is the same dimensions roughly.

The big difference is that Karazai has one wing open and is upright the new undead dragon is a bit more compact in pose with a downward angle and both wings closed.

So they will feel different, but yeah I REALLY want to see the new dragon against some other stuff in photos to really give a sense of its size

Euro price list courtesy of TGA.

Vhordrai at €150 is definitely $195 USD, £115 GBP.

65€ for the 3 crypts is harsh, I remember when the entire Garden of Morr was that much. Heck I think it started at 40€.

Scourge of Ghyran:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2pgti3di/prepare-for-the-next-generals-handbook-with-the-scourge-of-ghyran/

Dailies for everybody seems a lot for a new GHB season, but not complaining

Nevelon wrote:But presumably they need to print new boxes with pic of the new skeletons. Seems a bit excessive for something that’s going to be retired when they shift to the new spearhead.

Overread wrote:Or they keep both on the market at the same time and timed it so that they naturally ran out of boxes in stock as much as they could. Esp if its going to be like the others mentioned and could be another 6 months before we see the new spearhead appear

Interestingly, I was poking about on Reddit a few days ago, and the new Skeletons are already appearing in the old Spearhead with old box as of last week if you direct order from GW.

Yup... I'm out. $200 giant models just really reminds me how much GW has lost the narrative of what mini-wargaming even is.

Its not price versus points or anything, but $200 just goes so far in the hands of other companies.

Sometimes it feels like GW doesn't realize that as world economics chokes our buying power, that they can't just increase pricing forever without hitting thresholds where even super-fans have a moment of clarity.

Last month I happily dropped $400 on an Old World Tomb Kings army, but this is a bridge too far even for my dumb addicted self.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Yup... I'm out. $200 giant models just really reminds me how much GW has lost the narrative of what mini-wargaming even is.

Its not price versus points or anything, but $200 just goes so far in the hands of other companies.

Sometimes it feels like GW doesn't realize that as world economics chokes our buying power, that they can't just increase pricing forever without hitting thresholds where even super-fans have a moment of clarity.

Last month I happily dropped $400 on an Old World Tomb Kings army, but this is a bridge too far even for my dumb addicted self.

I mean, what do they care? You've just said you dropped nearly half a grand on 20 year old models and resins. The money still goes to them, just from various sources and people will buy it, that's a guarantee.

 Overread wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I'd imagine the big guy is $165 USD, which is still pretty pricey but not as insane as $195 would have been. That would put him on par with the big Stormcast dragons.

Well they share the same base size - the Stormcast dragons are 160mm and the new vampire dragon is also on a 160mm base

Pretty sure that's the same base size as Kruleboyz' Gobsprakk/Killaboss on Vulcha is on, and I do have that model (and it is indeed quite large). It's probably the standard size for AoS centerpiece models.

Day one, the rats:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ahs2k9uo/scourge-of-ghyran-day-1-bring-on-the-skavendoom/

Interesting and themed rules. And updates of some units too.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
And updates of some units too.

Not updates, variants for the season.

Scourge of Ghyran variant warscrolls provide you with a new way to play with selected units from each army in the next GHB season. These units have separate points values and can be substituted for that unit’s original warscroll. You can't use both the Scourge of Ghyran variant and the original warscroll for a particular unit in the same army, so choose wisely!

Details about the General's Handbook in todays Scourge of Ghyran article:

General’s Handbook Fact #1
It’s a box, not a book! Okay, technically there is a book inside the box, but this gorgeous new format includes so much more. Alongside the book you’ll also find new battle tactics cards, battleplan cards, manifestation warscroll cards and six very fancy objective markers. So much exciting content, so little space to explore it. If only the internet was infinite… You’ll just have to come back another day to find out more.

Tomorrow’s Scourge of Ghyran update is for an army of virtuous warriors who seek to preserve and protect the realms by sallying forth on noble quests. They do smell slightly odd though

Also, I like how they talk about "modeling options" in regards to the new banner options for SCE.

FEC next?

I wonder if someone at GW has broken down and convinced the management that 3 year edition cycles don't work but that to sweeten the deal they are going to beef up the General's Handbook updates and then spread out the 3 year cycle?

That would make logical sense considering that last time GW had to shelve models for stormcast that weren't even 3 years old yet and that's on the back of AoS having lots of armies that could have used those same production slots and investment for long term models and sales.


Also the whole 3 years for rules and gameplay must be feeding back to GW that customers are burning out. Heck get your codex/battletome late and you might only get 1.5 years of it working before its gone

Possibly. But i imagine it would be hard to convince the uppers at GW to hold back on the sheer cash boost a new ed gets every three or so years.


I like the season change to Iridan, makes them a bit more powerful. I do wonder what they mean by modelling options for the banner.

Yeah, definitely FEC tomorrow.

Yeah but honestly the big cash injection is less on the rules and more on the massive bundle of cheap models and two armies getting big updates. GW can totally do a "launch box" style box without the core rulebook and it would likely sell just as well.

The trickle of sales on rules they can emulate even with just part-edition update books. With FAQ/Errata/GHB and such updates now so swift many people would likely be easily convinced to get an updated Battletomme that includes all the new models that got released; all the updates and so on.


I think GW can have their cake of money they just have to shift away from wanting to remake the game on a 3 year cycle. And honestly considering how many games GW now supports I don't think they can even achieve it on 3 year cycles any more. At least not without it straining them and causing issues and being highly vulnerable to any delay.


Heck with 40K, AoS, Old World and Horus Heresy you can't even do a 3 year edition cycle on major games. You run out of summers. That also ignores smaller specialist games like Necromunda getting major update events or even adding any more major specialist games to the list.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I do wonder what they mean by modelling options for the banner.

Conversions, you silly goose!

Unless they are releasing an upgrade kit of some sort, ala the SCE Chamber upgrades from first edition, but that seems rather indulgent for AoS, given that they stopped doing them so long ago.

Couple AOS novels coming soon:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2thqqbn0/corsairs-vampires-battle-sisters-and-more-star-in-new-black-library-books/

 Overread wrote:
I think GW can have their cake of money they just have to shift away from wanting to remake the game on a 3 year cycle.

It's the three year cycle that allows them to release complete trash. If editions were longer they'd have to make them good.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I do wonder what they mean by modelling options for the banner.

Conversions, you silly goose!

Unless they are releasing an upgrade kit of some sort, ala the SCE Chamber upgrades from first edition, but that seems rather indulgent for AoS, given that they stopped doing them so long ago.

Couple AOS novels coming soon:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2thqqbn0/corsairs-vampires-battle-sisters-and-more-star-in-new-black-library-books/

I hope it's an upgrade kit or two. I missed those the first time around and they always looked good. Also yay an Abraxia novel, she's quickly become a fun favourite. I really hope it gets a nice special ed.

 Overread wrote:
Also the whole 3 years for rules and gameplay must be feeding back to GW that customers are burning out. Heck get your codex/battletome late and you might only get 1.5 years of it working before its gone

that is the reason why they started that in the first place
they make the most money on new people starting, people hardly stay more than 2 editions continuously before they drop out or pause

if a book or model line isn't good, people are more likely to wait for the next version with a shorter timeframe. Like 10th Edi CSM suck, no problem next Edition ist just 1.5 years away just paint the stuff you have and wait. You don't like the new core rules at all, it is just 3 years until it get completely changed again just pause on gaming and buy some models to paint.
Next chance for an update being 6 years and you start playing something different instead of waiting that it maybe will be good this time

that it burns out people, mentally and their money, is seen as an advantage here and also gets them an excuse on releasing bad rules (as no one can balance everything in that short time frame), while taking 6 years and releasing something bad won't go down that well

Iirc the original pitch for 8th ed 40k was that there would be no more editions and theyd update the game through chapter approved in an annual basis in perpetuity or something to that effect.

Didnt work out that way, dont see it happening now

chaos0xomega wrote:
Iirc the original pitch for 8th ed 40k was that there would be no more editions and theyd update the game through chapter approved in an annual basis in perpetuity or something to that effect.

Didnt work out that way, dont see it happening now

They must have genuinely thought they did a good job. It would be cute if it weren't so tragic.

The most noble of forces today:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/r1lrr7uz/scourge-of-ghyran-day-3-dining-out-with-the-flesh-eaters/

Have to say, hero's being able to gain a perm 5+ ward is quite a thing.

And the gitz get their turn

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/smdux6ly/scourge-of-ghyran-day-4-fanatic-fantastic/

I'm loving the spell lores for my wolves and chariots.

I'm currently building 2 armies (lizardman and vamps) using AoS minis, so I only follow this thread and AoS news for the miniatures.

For those that are currently engaged in AoS are these seasonal updates via the GHB a welcome change and a breath of fresh air or does it feel like unnecessary churn? I currently feel burnt out on 40k updates, where it feels like several books have almost been rewritten through the constant updates and although some of the updates are positive they seem to come so thick and fast it's hard to keep up. So I'm genuinely interested in how news of this latest refresh of rules for AoS feels, given that the most recent edition is only around a year old.

I mean, they're once a year thematic optional rules. It's not a refresh, it's just a different way to play. It's not like 40k where they have to churn to actually make the game (barely) playable.

Hey there, here is my review of the new Soulblight Gravelords release wave. I‘ve got high-res sprue images and all build options for Prince Vhordrai, the new Lord on Nightmare Steed, the manifestations, and Cursed Sepulchre terrain set. There are also scale and size comparisons of the Revenant Draconith: https://taleofpainters.com/2025/05/review-soulblight-gravelords-prince-vhordrai-vampire-lord-on-nightmare-steed-manifestations-cursed-sepulchre/

Well none of the local FLGS got the full allocation of SBGL they are all missing some kits. In the end I had to go the Firestorm which actually worked out cheaper but I like to support local when I can.

Thanks for the scale pictures. Seems like dragons got bigger while I wasn't looking. I already had trouble storing the old zombie dragon.

Got shiny new Soulblight!!!!!

And since they didn't release the new spearhead I've got two shiny dragons coming!


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 Geifer wrote:
Thanks for the scale pictures. Seems like dragons got bigger while I wasn't looking. I already had trouble storing the old zombie dragon.

It's for that reason I wish they'd given the prince the option of a sword or axe or just a spear in a LOWERED position not raised. That plus his standard armchair back means the model gets a huge amount of additional height which makes it more problematic for transport.

Thank you for the sprue pics, that's something I find frustrating at times, that GW don't show them much anymore (or 3D videos either).

I ordered the Vampire Lord on nightmare steed so it's great to see how it fits together for my planned minor alteration

The Dragon is enormous

 stahly wrote:
Hey there, here is my review of the new Soulblight Gravelords release wave. I‘ve got high-res sprue images and all build options for Prince Vhordrai, the new Lord on Nightmare Steed, the manifestations, and Cursed Sepulchre terrain set. There are also scale and size comparisons of the Revenant Draconith: https://taleofpainters.com/2025/05/review-soulblight-gravelords-prince-vhordrai-vampire-lord-on-nightmare-steed-manifestations-cursed-sepulchre/

Thanks Stahly. So Vordrhai's actually technically taller than Krondys/Karazai with his lance. That's kind of funny actually.

I love the heads on the dragon but the pose of the wings does let it down for me.

Rare Saturday article for the ghosts:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/virk2hly/scourge-of-ghyran-day-5-torment-by-day-haunt-by-night/

Kurdoss seems to have gotten quite a boost

The Black Coach certainly seems punchier.

So there's no generic Vampire on Zombie Dragon option in the kit.

That seems... uncharacteristic for GW?

I think the "generic" is just the dragon without rider in GW's view. Otherwise its a centre stage model.

Honestly I wonder partly if they might one day give Soulblight a smaller wyvern or monster that's maybe on an 80mm base to be more of the chaff monster and the dragon might get a leg-up in stats and points to be the heavyweight.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
So there's no generic Vampire on Zombie Dragon option in the kit.

That seems... uncharacteristic for GW?

Well there's no generic unit entry for that. So seems logical.

It's logical to remove the generic entry from the army list, thereby reducing potential sales, when all it would have needed (probably - haven't looked at sprue pics) is a variant head and weapon arm?

Odd definition of logical, Gideon.

I don't know why you have this weird obsession with trying to make every post you make a "gotcha" at someone else. But you do you.

But yeah, if they don't want to have a generic vampire and make the actual mount itself the generic option, then yeah, seems logical.

And in another uncommon sunday article, we have Cities. In which they try and make the cannons more usable:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-age-of-sigmar/

Were' due a little bit of a catchup:

the ladz:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/aybhy6cq/scourge-of-ghyran-its-a-krule-world/

tax specialists:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mt3qwtxa/scourge-of-ghyran-skeletal-debt-collectors-come-a-knocking/

the most level-headed khorne lord to have ever lived:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/w480zowt/scourge-of-ghyran-gifts-from-the-blood-god/

on that note, with the update to the mighty lord of khorne, this feels like another strong hint to Khul getting a unique deamon prince model of his own before long.

Fire lads today:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fzqvvgl3/scourge-of-ghyran-a-blaze-of-glory/

Heavy focus on the droth's, which i strongly approve of

Sons of Behemat article today:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/l3vj0gnr/scourge-of-ghyran-the-sons-of-behemat-have-some-big-new-ideas/

But more importantly they casually leaked new Idoneth models in that article:


There is this guy that is likely a manifestation, with a second one in the form of a water tentacle behind it (Or maybe they are both part of a multi-base manifestiation?):
Could also be a new monster or even an incarnate instead since the base is pretty big for a manifestation


and these two new heros:

that looks too big to be a manifestation, imo. maybe the water tentacles, but the big guy looks monster-sized

nonetheless, very exciting. loving the boney fish and the anglerfish on the one base. freakier fish being represented is exactly what i've wanted from idoneth! already an A+

If that's a manifestation, then that's huge. But good lord, finally some Idoneth love. I adore the middle character already. Now let's give the Fyrelsayers some similar love.

Lovely monkfish thing on that one base

Full pic. Does anyone recognise what those weapons are on the top right corner? That have been cut off the pic?

That's Volturnus's sword and cape

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Now let's give the Fyrelsayers some similar love.

GW: *Pawn Stars Voice* Best I can do is another hero miniature on foot that does something slightly different than the other 6-8 foot heroes.


Also, anyone seeing the crew member on the Akhellian Leviadon(the big turtle thing for the uninitiated)? Looks to be broken and pointing straight down.

If Fyreslayers get many more heroes they'll have more poses of heroes than they do poses of troops!

I count 6 heroes plus 2 in the Magmadroth box, versus 10 infantry poses.

Counting Underworlds gangs would shift this towards infantry I suppose.

Don't forget the Warcry warband.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I count 6 heroes plus 2 in the Magmadroth box, versus 10 infantry poses.

Counting Underworlds gangs would shift this towards infantry I suppose.

How do you get to 10 for the infantry?

There is one box that builds Hearthguard Berzerkers of two varieties and Auric Hearthguard, a second box that builds Vulkite Berzerkers of two varieties, and the Flameseekers.

Then there are 12 character datasheets, with half of them being doubles of "on foot" and "mounted on 'droth".

It would be comical, if it was not so sad for people actually interested and excited about the faction. Fyreslayers really need some proper attention.

We are counting poses not boxes

We gave up counting boxes/warscroll cards a long long while back

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
that looks too big to be a manifestation, imo. maybe the water tentacles, but the big guy looks monster-sized

nonetheless, very exciting. loving the boney fish and the anglerfish on the one base. freakier fish being represented is exactly what i've wanted from idoneth! already an A+

The Incarnate of beasts is a manifestation, so I don't think anything is really too big to be one.

Did these IDK leaks solve any rumor engines?

 nels1031 wrote:
Did these IDK leaks solve any rumor engines?

It did. Looks like three got solved, and I think a fourth is likely, but we can't see enough of the wizard guy's base.

As someone who uses 98% Darkoath, this one is particularly good:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pncricfo/scourge-of-ghyran-are-you-deserving-of-glory/

What happens... when a human uses 100% of their Darkoath?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What happens... when a human uses 100% of their Darkoath?

This can cause a chain reaction, which may lead to total protonic reversal (or destruction at the cellular level).

Or chaos spawndom.

Maybe both.

I didn't even realize they supersized the giants in AoS though I should have suspected given the past decade. So it the mega-gargant the baneblade kit of their fantasy universe?

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/warstomper-mega-gargant-2022



It looks like the kit makes a bunch of minimally different but legally distinct trademarkable variants similar to the baneblade kit. Sarcasm aside.. I do like the overall asthetic of this giant versus the gangly malnurished homeless chronic alcoholic vibe of the normal current giant.

the AOS giants are very cool. not so cool that i wanna get one, but i really appreciate what they're doing

personally, if i was designing a knights/baneblade faction for AOS, i would have gone with dragons, but these are cool as-is. certainly feels like it can justify being a standalone faction in lore better than knights

 warboss wrote:
I didn't even realize they supersized the giants in AoS though I should have suspected given the past decade. So it the mega-gargant the baneblade kit of their fantasy universe?

It's the Questoris Knight equivalent - complete with only one leg pose!

Yup, the Gargant army even works the same way as Knights overall... big giants with a character option, and then the 'little' giants that are the previous Fantasy plastic kit still. Seems to have similar balance issues and everything.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I didn't even realize they supersized the giants in AoS though I should have suspected given the past decade. So it the mega-gargant the baneblade kit of their fantasy universe?

It's the Questoris Knight equivalent - complete with only one leg pose!

At least they all come in one box and all the parts are interchangable.

It's a great looking model for sure but I'm a bit biased in that I've been a fan of "giant" models for a while now. I wonder how it would look next to the normal giant (sized) variants from ASOIAF as they have similar proportions.


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Lord Damocles wrote:It's the Questoris Knight equivalent - complete with only one leg pose!

Prometheum5 wrote:Yup, the Gargant army even works the same way as Knights overall... big giants with a character option, and then the 'little' giants that are the previous Fantasy plastic kit still. Seems to have similar balance issues and everything.

Yeah, I got out of regular 40k play about the time the original plastic Knight kit came out so I haven't really kept up with the variants. The big/little giants comparison sounds apt with the smaller gargants being the armigers of sorts (albeit maybe bigger?).

When they introduced Knights to 40k they were mercenarys that lots of factions could use, and the game was so poorly balanced, its was a common quick fix to any list you wanted to play.

When they released the mega gargant I feared it would be the same thing for AoS, but I dont recall hearing it was a problem even if the "mercenay big guy" was a recurring theme.

Love AoS giants, I should probably get another mega gargant now that you mention it.

And we have the handbook, sand and bone and various new spearheads. Although no gitz or barrow one yet.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ck4pqjsu/sunday-preview-change-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-and-the-brayherds-raid-the-old-world/

Also looks like Idoneth are getting their proper reveal next week.

Any idea on pricing for these? In the padt these types of smaller spearhead/combat patrols have typically been at a lower price point than the full deal.

Well unless they stealth increase, they should be the same as the current ones. So £87.50/$145

That Bonereapers Spearhead is exactly what I want out of OB. I'm REAL tempted to grab a couple.

I'm extremely tempted by that one as well. But i have no damn room right now.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Any idea on pricing for these? In the padt these types of smaller spearhead/combat patrols have typically been at a lower price point than the full deal.

Prices from TGA no changes from before

No stealth increase, neat. Also the Middle-Earth stuff all seems reasonable. Good order day.

And the first proper reveal of the Idoneth begins. As well as the new Spearhead.

I don't like the motion on the Ikons. It looks like they're sweeping their blades down, but the water is spinning the opposite way

So shouldn't they be spinning that way too?

They're caught in the moment of just finishing the upswing, which is why the water is flowing that way.

love that new model, but i don't know why the weapon choices needed to be different units. it's not like Idoneth is suffering for choice when it comes to characters, already

GW doesn't know what to do with alternate weapons right now in AoS

On the one hand they clearly want to simplify the warscroll as much as possible (even to the point where they've just outright cut half the info it could hold and placed it in random other places in the book/online/in another book). So having just one weapon profile no matter what options the model has is one way to do it.

The other is they want more heroes and model units; to generate sales and to create interest.

And of course its way more interesting to have a new unit that does different things over the same unit with the same things and just a different weapon.



So yeah make them two different units even though the only difference is the head and weapon. It's a big divide from the Old World era where GW would even have entirely different model sculpts for the same unit with a different weapon (and I'm not even touching that multiple heroes could have different mounts under the same hero profile as a choice)


Honestly I don't mind this choice as much because it means we do see weapon variety and it is meaningful.

I dislike it more when GW goes the path of "same profile no matter the weapon" because it makes the kit feel bland.

A shame how the fish are fixed. A variety of different ones to switch around in the water would've been nice.

 Overread wrote:
The other is they want more heroes and model units; to generate sales and to create interest.

I mean, it'd be nice if some of these releases got a unit box rather than a character, especially for those that didn't mostly migrate from the Old World...

 Overread wrote:
GW doesn't know what to do with alternate weapons right now in AoS

On the one hand they clearly want to simplify the warscroll as much as possible (even to the point where they've just outright cut half the info it could hold and placed it in random other places in the book/online/in another book). So having just one weapon profile no matter what options the model has is one way to do it.

The other is they want more heroes and model units; to generate sales and to create interest.

And of course its way more interesting to have a new unit that does different things over the same unit with the same things and just a different weapon.



So yeah make them two different units even though the only difference is the head and weapon. It's a big divide from the Old World era where GW would even have entirely different model sculpts for the same unit with a different weapon (and I'm not even touching that multiple heroes could have different mounts under the same hero profile as a choice)


Honestly I don't mind this choice as much because it means we do see weapon variety and it is meaningful.

I dislike it more when GW goes the path of "same profile no matter the weapon" because it makes the kit feel bland.

I expect this is going to swing back the opposite direction in ~2 years, even if it just becomes each unit getting multiple datasheets representing different weapon loadouts.

Perhaps but honestly given how GW was pushing "power levels" for ages and then just gave up and thrust them down our throats last edition for 40K - I get a feeling that the hands of the core AoS and 40K teams are VERY different to the specialist games in terms of the staff creating the rules.

And that includes the managers on top and their direction as well.



I think that AoS in particular would need an entirely new focus to start bringing those things back. (perhaps even a team who realise the double-turn is very silly...)

The double turn is fine and creates an element of tension and depth in the game not found in many others

chaos0xomega wrote:
The double turn is fine and creates an element of tension and depth in the game not found in many others

agreed, it is another layer of tactical depth. My son who is a much better player than I am is teaching me how to prepare for it when I get doubled, when to plan to increase odds of achieving it, and most importantly when to choose to hand it to the opponent.

 Overread wrote:
(perhaps even a team who realise the double-turn is very silly...)

given that most people advocate for IGoUGo to be gone, random turns is a core element of the game now that sets it apart from others

Right, because, "I go, I go," is sooo much better...

Water effects look quite fragile. I wish GW would stop with that.

 BorderCountess wrote:
Right, because, "I go, I go," is sooo much better...

Not to get dragged into this argument yet again, but i will say i've had more fun in terms of tactics having to multi-plan how turns could possibly go because of the double turn than i have in a lot of other game systems.

 BorderCountess wrote:
Right, because, "I go, I go," is sooo much better...

enough people are asking for it or defending it, so at least for those it must be better.
But in general, be careful what you wish for.....

It’s kinda funny but basically every single interleaved turn system I know of (where you move a unit then opfor moves a unit and so on) has some way of defying that structures making two or more units act at once and no-one seems to complain about those messing up their whole game.

Perhaps there’s a happy medium in there? Instead of the entire army acting at once, have “detachments” or “contingents” that act together and can be spurred on to act twice in a row before swapping back to one of the enemy army chunks.

It simply comes down to the impact of it and how long it takes

Like the longer a "go" takes, the worse it feels to break the strict IGoUGo sequence, and the bigger the impact is, the more controversial it is.

If a game with alternate activation uses an option for double activation and this decides if you win or lose, it is much more controversial than anything that has a minor impact on the game.

Same way, if games uses turn sequences an those only take 10 minutes, it doesn't feel that bad if the opponent is doing nothing compared to a turn taking 60 minutes.

In addition the more models/units are on the table, the more time is consumed by player interaction (hence why fast playing grand tactical games have usually a strict IGoUGo were the active player can do as much as possible without being interrupted to speed things up)

The problem most people have is that the impact of the double turn is too big, and the turn itself takes too long.
Both problems aren't directly related to IGoUGo or its removal.
Change the system to alternating phases, it would be still IGoUGo without the time problem, or chang it to random phases and having a double phase would be much less controversial

Yet if a single unit has the possibility to cripple an opponets force enough to win a game, changing to unit activation with the possibility of doubles won't change much (or if the single activation takes 30 minutes)

Whatever the system is, it need to be balanced between time per "go" and impact of said "go" for a good gaming experience.

 kodos wrote:

Change the system to alternating phases, it would be still IGoUGo without the time problem....

IMO this would be amazing for AoS, but it won't happen.

(roll priority; Player A does Hero phase, then player B does hero phase, then player A moves, then player B moves, ...shooting.. charges....)

SU-152 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Change the system to alternating phases, it would be still IGoUGo without the time problem....

IMO this would be amazing for AoS, but it won't happen.

(roll priority; Player A does Hero phase, then player B does hero phase, then player A moves, then player B moves, ...shooting.. charges....)

GW has even made said game... It's Middle-Earth SBG and its WONDERFUL.

That's probably why they don't want to do it. They wouldn't want two near identical rulesets for different games they make.

Man reads Sand and Bone book (pamphlet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FDQDW3vf9A&t=539s

Also has reviews of all the new Spearheads.

It's always a struggle to not buy another ogre bundle box.

The Ossiarch one is screaming at me. For £70, it's almost a no brainer.

I'm only missing a single unit for the Ossiarchs one.

Screw it, i got an Ossiarch one. That's been my favourite selection of units since the army launched.

Reviews of the new GHB have me more hyped for 4th edition than at any point previously.

Ordered the GHB, new Spearhead expansion thing and a KO Spearhead box, as no one in my local plays them.

Which reviews have you been watching?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Which reviews have you been watching?

AoS Coach and The Honest Wargamer

Cheers for that, i'll give them a watch.

Are the 4 new spearheads regular stock items? Assumed they were a limited splash but they arent listed as "available while stocks last" or whatever like other battleforces and splash releases are.

Also just noticed that the previous CoS spearhead is gone from the webstore, even though itvwas only released last year iirc.

I figure spearheads are the new "battleforce" that each army gets. GW just found a way to market them in a game format of their own.

So yeah I expect to see rotation of them. I think it would eat into too many profits to keep multiple spearheads on sale at once; esp for a good few AoS armies that don't even really have enough models to spread out over two spearheads as it is.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Are the 4 new spearheads regular stock items? Assumed they were a limited splash but they arent listed as "available while stocks last" or whatever like other battleforces and splash releases are.

Also just noticed that the previous CoS spearhead is gone from the webstore, even though itvwas only released last year iirc.

They're regular stock that are going to get rotated. However the Spearhead rules for those formations are going to stay in play.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dunnnmdk/an-oracle-and-an-incarnate-rear-from-the-abyssal-depths/

it was an incarnate after all!

very cool stuff, but i guess this is it for IDK this edition. shame they couldn't get another troop option or something

Love the character, genuinely surprised it's an incarnate. But disappointed that's it. Would love to have seen some sort of heavy cavalry like crab or lobster or something. Or a big kraken-like centrepiece. Would have been a wonderful chance to show off their plastic skills with a load of intertwining tentacles and the like.

Yeah, tbe Deepkin are such a half-baked concept. Theres so much room for some really truly cool stuff there, and GW basically hasnt explored any of it.

Honestly GW feels like they only ever release leaders unless you're getting a major rework - which is fine but it also means that armies have to wait for ages to get a big model update.


I feel like there's an investment/mandate that updates must be leaders only because we never see them drop a monster or an artillery or troop choice. It's token leader or full half-army update.

Well thats a problem too, because some factions are ending up overloaded with leader/character type models. And often times it feels like theyre adding these things because they have a mandate to do so rather than because there is a hole or gap or need that needs to be addressed.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well thats a problem too, because some factions are ending up overloaded with leader/character type models. And often times it feels like theyre adding these things because they have a mandate to do so rather than because there is a hole or gap or need that needs to be addressed.

But in Idoneth's case, there was a hole. Outside of named characters, only the Akhelian King has Any Idoneth Deepkin as Regiment options with literally every other non-Unique option only having Any Namarti. You basically had to lean into named characters or just run multiple Kings if you wanted to go Akhelian heavy.

Quite like the new models. Very snazzy.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, tbe Deepkin are such a half-baked concept. Theres so much room for some really truly cool stuff there, and GW basically hasnt explored any of it.

For some reason I feel like half-boiled would be the more apt analogy...

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, tbe Deepkin are such a half-baked concept. Theres so much room for some really truly cool stuff there, and GW basically hasnt explored any of it.

I don't think they're half baked, they just need the Sylvaneth/Ironjawz treatment of like 3-4 kits to bulk out the army.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, tbe Deepkin are such a half-baked concept. Theres so much room for some really truly cool stuff there, and GW basically hasnt explored any of it.

I don't think they're half baked, they just need the Sylvaneth/Ironjawz treatment of like 3-4 kits to bulk out the army.

Giant manta rays with frickin' harpoon guns mounted on them.

Shoals of piranha-like nasties to function like scarab swarms.

Kelp or coral elementals.

Namarti voidsouls...who function like magic sinks and hinder enemy spells (and hinder everybody controlling spells)

Dedicated Soulrender assassin squads.

Revise the turtle to make it worth the points...

So, reading the WarCom article, do we think the Manifestation is exclusive to the Oracle special character, or might other Idoneth wizardy folk have access to it too?

I could read it both ways, depending on who has access to the Lore of the Abyss.

I doubt they're restricting a whole army lore to single unique character.

Am I blind or in the wrong timezone or did Goonhammer drop their Battlescroll review early?

https://www.goonhammer.com/age-of-sigmar-battlescroll-june-2025-the-goonhammer-review/

Note that all of the units earmarked for legending have now moved there in the pitched battle profiles document. If nothing else, this now makes the Stormcast points much much easier to parse. It also means all of this stuff is by default no longer matched play legal, so you’ll have to run your Beasts of Chaos army past the TO. Same for you, Bonesplitterz player.

Finally, a big hearty RIP to BoC, Sacrosanct and Boneslittaz. This move being the biggest “turd in the punchbowl” decision going into 4th edition really dampened my enthusiasm for 4th(as a long time BoC player/fan), but I got over it. I keep eyeing up the TOW Beastmen Arcane Journal to finally take the plunge, but I only have so much time…

Honestly 4th has felt like management kicking players in the groin when it comes to model based choices


First we had Stormcast losing a bunch of models that were only just 3 years old. For the flagship faction to lose models that young and for several of them being big iconic models not just replace troops that was a cruel blow.

Then we had the madness with Beasts of Chaos being squatted into Old World. Yes they aren't lost, but at the same time that's a heavy blow when we thought AoS was free from its army-loss days (save for the Dark Elf stuff where GW has never given us any idea what so ever what they are doing with them).

Fyreslayers also have an unsettled future with reliable rumour that they won't get a Battletome this edition which could mean any one of a number of potential situations.


I think many had hoped that 2.0 was the last time AoS was going to see army removals and massive model loss. Granted at least the continued whittling down of High Elf and Dwarf models is softened by them appearing Old World


One can just hope that this the second to last time for this - with the next being the likely loss of the Dark Elf models (at least I keep thinking it will happen since GW seems to refuse to really acknowledge them as part of Cites of Sigmar)

Beastmen were obviously an office politics thing. Chaos dwarves are going to AoS, so they wanted something back for the other game. Beasts are the obvious choice because they're just not popular. From what I've seen, basically nothing has moved since their re-release. Not even the new resin piece which usually goes in an instant.

It is a shame though, as beasts had far more room for growth in AoS than in the old world. Far more freedom of direction in terms of where they could have taken them .

 nels1031 wrote:
Am I blind or in the wrong timezone or did Goonhammer drop their Battlescroll review early?

https://www.goonhammer.com/age-of-sigmar-battlescroll-june-2025-the-goonhammer-review/

Note that all of the units earmarked for legending have now moved there in the pitched battle profiles document. If nothing else, this now makes the Stormcast points much much easier to parse. It also means all of this stuff is by default no longer matched play legal, so you’ll have to run your Beasts of Chaos army past the TO. Same for you, Bonesplitterz player.

Finally, a big hearty RIP to BoC, Sacrosanct and Boneslittaz. This move being the biggest “turd in the punchbowl” decision going into 4th edition really dampened my enthusiasm for 4th(as a long time BoC player/fan), but I got over it. I keep eyeing up the TOW Beastmen Arcane Journal to finally take the plunge, but I only have so much time…

BoC, Sacrosanct and Boneslittaz are legal for the whole edition. Just not legal for official GW tournaments. Even WHC stated that months ago.

Yes they are legal for this edition until 2026

However

The Sacrosanct models can't be bought any more, esp any of the unique hero models. So if you don't have them you can't get them.

Furthermore armies are slow thing for many people; they don't want an army with a time limit; they want an army they can use in 5 years in 10 years with their hobby.

Looks like Khorne is getting the pity hero treatment this time around. Nice model though and interesting spearhead.

the spearhead felt pretty bad until i realized it also had karanak in there. not sure how that value comes out, but i do think the visual of the box suffers for it all being so samey

Well the RRP of all that is £140. So assuming it stays at the price of all the others and third party, it will be £70. So a straight half off.

As someone who is still very SLOWLY building/painting Blades of Khorne, I'm perfectly ok with just a footslogger for a new character, but that is two editions in a row that BoK have only gotten one new model in the range.

Excited to pick up the book and see how they nerfed Murderlust again

For real though, a nice low impact release is perfectly fine for BoK.

Well we live in a time where the book release doesn't necessarily correspond with a full model release. I'm still fully expecting an ascended Khorgos Khul somewhere down the line.

Also Khorne has had a lot of attention over the last few years - they did really well at the start of AoS.

I do wish GW could shift to having a policy of having a new "box" instead of new hero as their standard so that armies getting only one new thing could have a new hero or new infantry box or new monster (likely medium to smaller size) or new artillery etc....


But otherwise I'm very content with new books not having to have a whole new slew of models if just because it means we can keep on the faster rules updates for factions.
(even if I think the 3 year cycle that drives it all is nuts(

Nice mini, and pretty understated compared to the current Aspiring Deathbringer.

So instead of a choice of weapons or heads, it's got a choice of capes? That's a new one.

Definitely prefer the cape to the trophy rack. I might have to find room for this guy in my Old World army.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Definitely prefer the cape to the trophy rack. I might have to find room for this guy in my Old World army.

Yeah, that guy has a nice, old-school Khorne aesthetic that the 'fantasy World Eaters' have been lacking.

Valrak:

has heard a new Chaos Duardin box set is coming - approximately fifteen models. Big golem-esque creature, an artillery piece and infantry.

Well we knew they were coming, it's just when in this edition.

To be fair we only know because Whitefang hints on the AoS forum - we don't actually formally "know" anything yet

Well there was that teaser video a few reveals ago as well.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well there was that teaser video a few reveals ago as well.

Ah yes with the golem-esque eyes!

BoK absolutely do not need another footslogger hero. Also, I personally find this mini underwhelming compared to the other BoK heroes.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
BoK absolutely do not need another footslogger hero. Also, I personally find this mini underwhelming compared to the other BoK heroes.

I don’t disagree with the first part, but personally I like it more than every other BoK hero.

Blades don't really need anything to be honest. They're good and rounded out. But he does complete the trinity of Deathbringer, Aspiring Deathbringer and Exalted Deathbringer.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Blades don't really need anything to be honest. They're good and rounded out. But he does complete the trinity of Deathbringer, Aspiring Deathbringer and Exalted Deathbringer.

I don't disagree that they are pretty complete army, but a plastic Lord on Juggernaut would've been welcome, because as awesome as the finecast one is, it is still finecast.

And a new Valkia with a Sigvald-esque glow-up would've been dope.

Is the lord on jugger still resin? I thought they changed him already. Ok yeah he's needed then.

I like the new Khorne hero. Nice model.

New Battlescroll :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xdlrpjox/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-a-new-battlescroll-to-tidy-up-before-the-generals-handbook/

Oh i only just saw this, neat.

Has there been mention of new or changed Regiments at all? Or are we still limited to the one in the core book?

Well, my Kharadron Overlords list that I was building went down 140 points. Assuming I don't take any of the enhancements that cost points now, I can get a Gunhauler in there, or another unit/character. Nice. Probably compensation now that shooting might be less powerful due to some of the rules changes.

 ingtaer wrote:
Has there been mention of new or changed Regiments at all? Or are we still limited to the one in the core book?

Not that I've seen, but I've only listened to some reviews/overviews on Youtube.

 ingtaer wrote:
Has there been mention of new or changed Regiments at all? Or are we still limited to the one in the core book?

I'm confused what you mean by Regiments here. Regiments as in a hero + up to 3 units (4 if it is your General's Regiment?), where what exactly would change or how would they introduce a new one? Regiment abilities which each army has multiple of in their indexes (and core book has none of). The units that a given hero can take in their regiment (which changes often, usually a few every update - also not in the core book)?

Not trying to be snide, in case my phrasing comes off as abrasive. I just genuinely am not sure what you might mean.

 Overread wrote:
Yes they are legal for this edition until 2026

However

The Sacrosanct models can't be bought any more, esp any of the unique hero models. So if you don't have them you can't get them.

Stop spreading lies & misinformation.
You can't get FROM GW.

Fortunately though there's this thing called the internet. Just do a search every few days & you'll almost always find whatever oop GW model you're seeking.

ccs wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Yes they are legal for this edition until 2026

However

The Sacrosanct models can't be bought any more, esp any of the unique hero models. So if you don't have them you can't get them.

Stop spreading lies & misinformation.
You can't get FROM GW.

Fortunately though there's this thing called the internet. Just do a search every few days & you'll almost always find whatever oop GW model you're seeking.

Watch them do a Made to Order "classic stormcast eternals" this autum, for all those nostalgic old saps.

ccs wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Yes they are legal for this edition until 2026

However

The Sacrosanct models can't be bought any more, esp any of the unique hero models. So if you don't have them you can't get them.

Stop spreading lies & misinformation.
You can't get FROM GW.

Fortunately though there's this thing called the internet. Just do a search every few days & you'll almost always find whatever oop GW model you're seeking.

Oh true - heck search long enough (and be prepared to pay enough) and you can even get unbuilt and even on-sprue models for many things. But functionally you can't get them new at retail and some models are going to be much easier to track down than others; some are going to be most costly when you find them and some you'll have to accept in less than ideal condition (eg pre-built; part built; painted etc...).

Go hunt down Diaz Deamonettes and you can easily be paying a small fortune for just a handful let alone try aiming for a full functional squad.

 nels1031 wrote:
New Battlescroll :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xdlrpjox/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-a-new-battlescroll-to-tidy-up-before-the-generals-handbook/

Well basically every army i have got universal drops across the board. Neat.

The Start Collecting : Blades of Khorne box, that was on the US site a few days ago when I looked to see if the resin Lord on Juggernaut was staying, is now gone. I believe that box was the only way to get the Bloodstoker and Khorgoroth.

I think at one point Khurgos Khul and the Bloodsecrator later came in a 2 pack box, seperate from that SC box and they are now gone as well(or may have already been gone?)

The time of the “Start Collecting” boxes ended some time ago when AoS had Vanguard boxes, which then were replaced by relatively recent Spearhead boxes, but the BoK box remained because it was the only way to get certain minis.

 nels1031 wrote:
The Start Collecting : Blades of Khorne box, that was on the US site a few days ago when I looked to see if the resin Lord on Juggernaut was staying, is now gone. I believe that box was the only way to get the Bloodstoker and Khorgoroth.

I think at one point Khurgos Khul and the Bloodsecrator later came in a 2 pack box, seperate from that SC box and they are now gone as well(or may have already been gone?)

The time of the “Start Collecting” boxes ended some time ago when AoS had Vanguard boxes, which then were replaced by relatively recent Spearhead boxes, but the BoK box remained because it was the only way to get certain minis.

I have to imagine Khul would get a new mini, what with him getting promoted to Daemon Prince...

He's getting a White Dwarf scroll that says to use a Daemon Prince mini so likely not until a Broken Realms type series at the earliest.

 Eldarain wrote:
He's getting a White Dwarf scroll that says to use a Daemon Prince mini so likely not until a Broken Realms type series at the earliest.

They actually advance the plot a bit, but then don't release a mini to match? Geez, they never miss a chance to miss a chance.

I still expect a fully ascended khul at some point. He's been a bit too much of a focus character to get kicked back now.

On that note, I'm also a little surprised they haven't made a Daemon Prince Festus model for Maggotkin, given they made a big deal about him ascending during the End Times - and the sheer volume of Nurgle characters GW likes to make.

Aren't there still a bunch of unsolved Nurgle looking rumour engines?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Aren't there still a bunch of unsolved Nurgle looking rumour engines?

There's several from 2023 (!) with a kind of poisoning/alchemy theme, could be something undead too, tho

Alchemy theme, huh? Ku'gath Plaguefather when?

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Alchemy theme, huh? Ku'gath Plaguefather when?

I see the smiley face, so I assume you're being a silly goose, but I doubt it'd be Ku'gath. The alchemy pics had thin and gaunt hands, reminiscent of Nighthaunt. But anything can happen with these tiny pics with no context.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/1jmy4pd/unsolved_rumour_engines_as_of_march_30th_2025/

 nels1031 wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Alchemy theme, huh? Ku'gath Plaguefather when?

I see the smiley face, so I assume you're being a silly goose, but I doubt it'd be Ku'gath. The alchemy pics had thin and gaunt hands, reminiscent of Nighthaunt. But anything can happen with these tiny pics with no context.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/1jmy4pd/unsolved_rumour_engines_as_of_march_30th_2025/

I was mostly being silly, but those little hands with the poison bottle could be a Nurgling lab assistant.

Either way, I'm curious to see how those rumor engine pics play out.

Is there a more recent one? That one's pretty out of date at this point.

KHARADRON TURDIS!



And some other reveals for Sky Stunties.

But….TURDIS!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m7jip1j9/rule-the-skies-with-the-new-kharadron-overlords-null-khemist/

Boggles the mind as that's a battletome reveal worthy of a reveal show. What happened to those anyway?

I love the deep sea diver look this guy has got going on. And i believe that harpoon is a solved rumour engine Oh and the netting too.

But i really hope it's possible to build an army around just the salvager/harpoon crews. That's just the unit i've been waiting for to give me the kick of inspiration for the Kharadron.

All jokes apart, that Turdis could, with just a little conversion, serve as an Underhive portapotty.

Can't say I'm too fond of the new Vongrim units. I like the idea, but the main issue is that they just don't quite feel like Kharadron Overlords units. It's the exposed arms which goes against their whole theming of wearing sealed pressure suits and makes them seem completely different in tone to the rest of the model range, especially with the somewhat silly poses. Helmetless is fine as it add some variety though.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Can't say I'm too fond of the new Vongrim units. I like the idea, but the main issue is that they just don't quite feel like Kharadron Overlords units. It's the exposed arms which goes against their whole theming of wearing sealed pressure suits and makes them seem completely different in tone to the rest of the model range, especially with the somewhat silly poses. Helmetless is fine as it add some variety though.

The point is that they're not rich enough anymore to afford the expensive full suits.

I think it’s also a nod to Slayer culture.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think it’s also a nod to Slayer culture.

Especially Long Drong.

As long as they're not some kind of must-have I think it's fine to see some models that link the three Duardin factions.

Oh are those all new? Didn't even realize, I guess you've seen one dwarf hanging from a metal balloon you've seen them all.

The terrain piece and its little bots are neat tho. It really doesn't need any work at all to work in the Underhive.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Can't say I'm too fond of the new Vongrim units. I like the idea, but the main issue is that they just don't quite feel like Kharadron Overlords units. It's the exposed arms which goes against their whole theming of wearing sealed pressure suits and makes them seem completely different in tone to the rest of the model range, especially with the somewhat silly poses. Helmetless is fine as it add some variety though.

The point is that they're not rich enough anymore to afford the expensive full suits.

I get that they're meant to be basically Kharadron Slayers who aren't well funded and are operating differently than usual, but that doesn't really stop that they don't mesh too well with the rest of the range because of that.

Well the trident is a rumour engine solved. And the net rigging making up the flooring of the terrain piece too? Any more?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
KHARADRON TURDIS!



And some other reveals for Sky Stunties.

But….TURDIS!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m7jip1j9/rule-the-skies-with-the-new-kharadron-overlords-null-khemist/

Crappier on the insides?

Those jump infantry fellows have a high Squat potential!

Dances with Beachballs was what come to mind when i saw the unit

(and come on GW one one robo parrot per unit, having 2 makes him less special)

Sidenote, but it looks like this isn't the only stuff they're getting.

I wonder if that could be more endless spells and such? That's what they held back for Soulblight and then revealed later.

I really dislike of the design choices here but above all these do not look fun at all to paint. What a mess of details.